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Speaker 1: it's really hard to put your head around it. I

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Speaker 1: would describe this as an investigation born in corruption. It's

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Speaker 1: a corrupt dossier that is crying out for real investigation

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Speaker 1: if you're talking about collusion to effect an investigation paying

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Speaker 1: a foreigner as Hillary did to produce a false dossier

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Speaker 1: on Donald Trump's so far the biggest crime that's been

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Speaker 1: committed with regard to the election that is provable. And

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Speaker 1: then that dossier is used as the basis for the

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Speaker 1: wire tabs that fis the wires, and then when they

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Speaker 1: know it's full, so they don't correct it. They go

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Speaker 1: back to the judge and they keep repeating it. Now,

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Speaker 1: some judge has got to be going out of his mind,

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Speaker 1: even worse than Judge Ellis, because that judge was made

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Speaker 1: a fool of and the five process was completely made

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Speaker 1: a mockery of by this false dossier. So it spawns

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Speaker 1: an investigation. The investigation produces no evidence of anything involving

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Speaker 1: President Trump and Russians, and somehow Coley comes along and

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Speaker 1: makes it into a criminal investigation. And now we know

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Speaker 1: that the criminal investigation itself. Of course, we also have

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Speaker 1: to put in there that James Comey said that he

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Speaker 1: created this memo after his meeting with the president, leaked

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Speaker 1: it to the press for the sole appointment of getting

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Speaker 1: a special counsel, which was miraculously appointed. Now could you imagine,

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Speaker 1: and you were a U S attorney, Rudy, and you

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Speaker 1: were also a high ranking Justice Department official, I worked

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Speaker 1: for Treasury and beginning my legal career, could you imagine

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Speaker 1: if an I S agent or an FBI agent were

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Speaker 1: to release their three or two form to the press,

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Speaker 1: what would happen to those agents. Well, those who have

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Speaker 1: been have been indicted and prosecuted and convicted. It's a

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Speaker 1: it's a crime to do it. And uh, in this

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Speaker 1: particular case, it wasn't accidental. This was a planned, completely

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Speaker 1: thought out, corrupt scheme on the part of Comey. So

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Speaker 1: it didn't come from him. It came from this professor.

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Speaker 1: I mean, imagine the skullduggery of this man. He and

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Speaker 1: then he wants us to believe that the memo was

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Speaker 1: accurate about the Flynn conversation. He he wants us to

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Speaker 1: believe that at the time of the Flynn conversation he

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Speaker 1: felt that he was being obstructed. However, he never told

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Speaker 1: anybody about it. He never reported it. If he didn't report,

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Speaker 1: it's to misprison of a felony because as an FBI

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Speaker 1: director he had to report it. He then he testifies

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Speaker 1: under rows after it and before he releases the memo,

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Speaker 1: that he had not been obstructed in any way. You

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Speaker 1: can have Jared on later Greg jarted. He says, it's

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Speaker 1: not happened in my experience under oath. Right, he's now

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Speaker 1: contradicting that. In other words, he can lied under oath.

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Speaker 1: So they want this guy to be the the arbiter

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Speaker 1: of truth and they're not investigating him for his crimes.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is really corrupt. Supposedly there's an office. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: there's the Inspector General's report that is supposedly coming involving

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Speaker 1: James Comy. We haven't seen it yet, and I'm hearing

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Speaker 1: and you're hearing the same things we're hearing. But September October,

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Speaker 1: so that may come out and we'll see the last

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Speaker 1: one was pretty tough on Andrew McCabe. Interestingly, he's no

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Speaker 1: longer with the Department of Justice. James Comedy is no

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Speaker 1: longer with the Department of Justice. Ribicky's no longer with

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Speaker 1: the department. Yeah, I mean you get that. There's been

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Speaker 1: quite a lit at least a page all gone. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Homy wants us to believe that Trump had this conversation

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Speaker 1: with him about Flynt, that he felt that there was

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Speaker 1: an obstruction of justice, a serious federal felony, but he

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Speaker 1: never reported it, never told McCabe about it, because McCabe

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Speaker 1: also testified that there was no obstruction as he did,

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Speaker 1: and that he testified falsely under oath. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: can't he can't be obstructed. Three months later, he can't

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Speaker 1: remember the conversation three months later and say, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: he tried to obstruct me. I mean, this is so phony.

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Speaker 1: If it weren't for the fact that the president has

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Speaker 1: these CNN and MSNBC and all these people that are

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Speaker 1: just dying to interpret everything against him, people would be

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Speaker 1: demanding an investigation to call me. You know, it's interesting

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Speaker 1: because if you look at this, we're gonna talk with

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Speaker 1: you mentioned Greg Jared, our friend Greg Jared. It's got

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Speaker 1: a great book out by the way, the Russian Hoax,

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Speaker 1: and everybody needs to be reading. It's a great, great book.

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Speaker 1: I'm underlining it. I bet you are, and I got

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Speaker 1: an early copy, so we all have. Let me say

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Speaker 1: that we're gonna get into that with Greg. I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about a lot of that because it's important.

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Speaker 1: But you know, people need to understand also that we

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Speaker 1: are trying to handle and you understand this. You you've

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Speaker 1: got competing interests when when you talk about an interview,

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Speaker 1: so that the question today is the interview of the president.

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Speaker 1: Will the president submit to an interview? And I want

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Speaker 1: to be very clear in this. We have raised and

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Speaker 1: have have raised this really since the beginning of my representation,

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Speaker 1: which is going back over a year now that there

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Speaker 1: are significant Article two issues, I mean really significant Article

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Speaker 1: two issues. Do you think a U. S. Attorney, for instance,

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Speaker 1: should be able to subpoena a president of the United

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Speaker 1: States to discuss the reason why he made a policy

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Speaker 1: move or a decision to fire a subordinate I don't.

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Speaker 1: If that's the case, well, then why couldn't every U. S.

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Speaker 1: Attorney in every district who has a beef with a

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Speaker 1: particular president started issuing subpoenas and that the president, instead

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Speaker 1: of running the government, ends up responding to subpoena's. That's

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Speaker 1: not the way it's supposed to be. Our founders knew that,

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Speaker 1: and that's why they have political process in there. It's

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Speaker 1: not a legal process. They're not gonna be a trial here,

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Speaker 1: but people have to understand that we have to go

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Speaker 1: through a real process of analysis in coming to these conclusions.

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Speaker 1: Rudy about whether what our recommendation is we were regarding

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Speaker 1: an interview. Obviously, when the Special Council sent us the

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Speaker 1: last proposal, obviously we didn't accept it, so we counter.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to get into the contents of that

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Speaker 1: counter that would be appropriate, But there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: factors that go into this. There are a lot of

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Speaker 1: factors go into it, and not the least of which

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Speaker 1: is you have to evaluate the good faith of the

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Speaker 1: people who are seeking to question him. Do you really

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Speaker 1: have a chance of persuading them, or have they made

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Speaker 1: up their minds already and they're just trying to set

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Speaker 1: him up. A great example we talked about Flynn is Flynn,

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Speaker 1: the President of the United States, says he never had

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Speaker 1: that conversation with Comey. Comey says that he did. You know,

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Speaker 1: both of us would be perfectly comfortable if he had

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Speaker 1: had the conversation, right. He said nothing wrong. He didn't

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Speaker 1: say you must drop the case, which you could do.

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Speaker 1: He said you should think about it. You should give

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Speaker 1: him a break, which many people have said to me

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Speaker 1: when I was a prosecutor. We know Comy didn't think

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Speaker 1: of it as obstruction because he would have reported it.

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Speaker 1: So we have a very good defense on the facts.

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Speaker 1: But the fact is the President insists I never had

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Speaker 1: that conversation. So now we put him, We put him

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Speaker 1: in front of We put him in front of Mueller.

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Speaker 1: Mueller asked him that question. He says, no, I didn't

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Speaker 1: have the conversation and then they say, oh, we believe

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Speaker 1: the liar Comey now here here, we're almost at a

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Speaker 1: disadvantage because there's no trial. They'd never charge him in

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Speaker 1: an indictment with it because Comey couldn't withstand cross examination.

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Speaker 1: He gave a private prior statement under oath contrary to that.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna be back with a lot more

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Speaker 1: on j Sekulo in with Rudy Giuliani. We are hosting

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Speaker 1: for Sean Hannity. He's taking a break for one day.

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Speaker 1: They gave him a day off, Linda gave him off