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Speaker 1: We've got several deceased individuals inside of a house. It

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Speaker 1: remember is it's only going to show us where the

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Speaker 1: cell phone is, not necessarily the person who owns the

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Speaker 1: cell phone. So there's a little bit more work involved

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Speaker 1: than just ping the phone to verify whether or not

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Speaker 1: mister Wheeler was at the residence or not. And do

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Speaker 1: doctor Williams July psychologist, doctor July, I say, the content

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Speaker 1: of those texts would be very very important. Doctors you lie?

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Speaker 1: Why absolutely? The content of texts. I mean, that's one

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Speaker 1: thing that's amazing about technology now is a text you

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Speaker 1: can look at a person's text history and essentially read

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Speaker 1: that person and their activities and behaviors like a book.

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Speaker 1: You can even glean little inflections of behavior from text message.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it won't give you the full three D perspective,

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Speaker 1: but it can certainly give you enough information for an investigator.

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Speaker 1: I would say to raise some questions about angles and

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Speaker 1: look at you know what doctores July. Can you please

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Speaker 1: be specific when you say you can glean slivers of

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Speaker 1: something you said from text? What do you mean by that?

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Speaker 1: Give me an example of what you're talking about so

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Speaker 1: I can understand. Well, that's a good, good point, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: You can look at, for example, the types of emojis

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Speaker 1: of persons using. People often break what their People often

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Speaker 1: have a complete conversation by using emojis, So you look

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Speaker 1: at the types of emojis they're using. You look for words,

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Speaker 1: look for keywords of emotions that the person is. You know,

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Speaker 1: you know where they are, what they're saying, they're doing,

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Speaker 1: I miss you are are you back yet? Little things

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Speaker 1: like that you didn't tell I've seen text messages where

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Speaker 1: people have entire conversations like that. And by looking at

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Speaker 1: those things and connecting it with the it's harder for

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Speaker 1: me as a psychologist because I only have that, I

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Speaker 1: only have one piece. But when you connect that with

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Speaker 1: a bigger picture of what an investigator is looking at,

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Speaker 1: and then they have a psychologist look at this type

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Speaker 1: of information. It can be very interesting. You know, to

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Speaker 1: Atlanta prosecutor Kenyan Johnson, I hear what he's saying, and

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Speaker 1: that's pretty deep that you're trying to interpret emoji and

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Speaker 1: so forth. I'd be looking for, did they have an

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Speaker 1: argument via text that I could look at right before

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Speaker 1: the triple shooting. That's what I'd be looking at. This

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Speaker 1: is all a new interesting body of science and the

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Speaker 1: sense of interpretation of the language of text communications. And

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Speaker 1: so this is something that when the case goes to trial,

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Speaker 1: or if you're looking at evidence a trial, having these

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Speaker 1: experts to talk about what this means and why a

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Speaker 1: person would use this phrasing and these abbreviations in this way,

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Speaker 1: it's going to glean a lot into her emotions, right,

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Speaker 1: and so very interesting. And he already admitted the boyfriend

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Speaker 1: said that they had an argument the night before, and

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Speaker 1: so the extent of that argument, what were their arguments

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Speaker 1: like before? I think that's very significant. Kenya Kenyan Johnson

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Speaker 1: The fact that Nicole Olsen's death for right now has

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Speaker 1: been ruled a suicide, we can't just say, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: then she must have been the one that did this

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Speaker 1: to these two little girls. We still have to go

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Speaker 1: out and find out who it was that killed these

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Speaker 1: two young ladies. The evidence may lead us right back

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Speaker 1: to somebody within the house, but it may not, and

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Speaker 1: it would be irresponsible of us to come to that

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Speaker 1: conclusion at this point when there's so much investigation being

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Speaker 1: left to do. Let me just say I was briefed

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Speaker 1: by my investigators in this case on Saturday. We've been

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Speaker 1: on the phone quite a bit since then, and then

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Speaker 1: today again they briefed me. I don't know that I've

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Speaker 1: ever been more proud of a group of investigators as

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Speaker 1: I am in this case. They're leaving literally no stone unturned.

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Speaker 1: They're working through their days off, they're basically working around

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Speaker 1: the clock on this case and making sure that they're

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Speaker 1: covering basis. They took evidence from that residence that you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe wasn't typical of cases in years past or in

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Speaker 1: times past, but I think it's the way we're doing

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Speaker 1: things moving forward here. I mentioned it at at the

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Speaker 1: press conference that day that I gave my sound bites

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Speaker 1: and made mention of the fact that they were wearing

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Speaker 1: biological suits. And again I'll reiterate the fact that in

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Speaker 1: this case, we knew from the onset that this case

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Speaker 1: was going to rely heavily on trace evidence, and so

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Speaker 1: we have to be as investigators. We have to be

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Speaker 1: careful not to contaminate a crime scene because again you

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Speaker 1: realize that a hair fiber could make the total the

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Speaker 1: difference in a case, a fingerprint could make the difference

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Speaker 1: in a case. And so we're taking this case completely

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Speaker 1: by the numbers. And again, my investigators are being completely

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Speaker 1: thorough up to and including not ruling out the fact

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Speaker 1: that there may be somebody here that wasn't even on

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Speaker 1: our radar before, but something that we find may lead

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Speaker 1: us to them. Well, that's not a very comforting thought

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Speaker 1: that there is a triple killer on the loose. That's

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Speaker 1: the Bear County Sheriff Javier Salazar. As we go to air,

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Speaker 1: are learning the FBI has joined the investigation into the

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Speaker 1: triple homicide, the triple deaths of a mother and her

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Speaker 1: two little girls and a luxury San Antonio ranch house,

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Speaker 1: and that's according to the Bear County Sheriff's Office. With me,

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Speaker 1: Robin Willinski, Kenya Johnson, doctor William July, and JT. Tipton,

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Speaker 1: private eye, founder of Sinco Paco Security and Investigations, right

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Speaker 1: there and the same neck of woods. JT. Tipton, what

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Speaker 1: can you tell me about the FBI coming in? You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm very confused about that. In my experience and based

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Speaker 1: on some conversations that I've had with some colleagues that

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Speaker 1: are retired federal law enforcement and a few that they're

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Speaker 1: actually still active, the FBI doesn't really get involved in

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Speaker 1: a case like this unless it's one involving children that

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Speaker 1: have been adducted and taken across state lines, or if

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Speaker 1: there might be a foreign national involved that may be

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Speaker 1: trying to evade apprehension. I don't know the answer to that,

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Speaker 1: you know to Robo Willinski Crime online dot com investigative

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Speaker 1: reporter where this and every other breaking crime news story

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Speaker 1: you can find it right there at Crime Online. Robert Willinski,

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Speaker 1: the FBI has now joined into this investigation. What do

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Speaker 1: you make of it? I make of it that they're

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Speaker 1: going to go through security cameras. This is a very

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Speaker 1: well to do area, as these are people that can

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Speaker 1: afford to have cameras inside and outside their homes. And

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to meticulously go through that neighborhood, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: and get video, whether it's ten twelve hours, and meticulously

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Speaker 1: go through who went through that gate in that house,

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Speaker 1: who was walking around. The FBI is going to go

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Speaker 1: to the door and ask people what did you see

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Speaker 1: that night, what did you see that morning? And that's

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Speaker 1: why the FBI is joining this case. Well, the FBI

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Speaker 1: has access to resources the sheriff's office does not, simply

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Speaker 1: because it's federally funded. For instance, the sheriff said, in

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Speaker 1: the event we need advice of some sort of a profiler,

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Speaker 1: well we don't have a profiler here, but the FBI does,

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Speaker 1: so it just opens up a lot more possibilities. Now.

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Speaker 1: The spokesperson, Special Agent Michelle Lee for the FBI San

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Speaker 1: Antonio office confirmed they are assisting even though there has

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Speaker 1: been a government shutdown, They're assisting no matter what, whether

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Speaker 1: the government shuts down again, they're still assisting. But what

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Speaker 1: are they doing a significant number of personnel at the

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Speaker 1: FBI's national headquarters who normally assist with these type of

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Speaker 1: investigations have been furloaded. They're back on the job right now.

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Speaker 1: Let's strike while the iron is hot now. The boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: Charlie wheel Or thirty one, tell me what do we know? JT. Tipton?

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Speaker 1: What does he do for a living? And how does

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Speaker 1: he happen to own a huge ranch mansion in Annaquis Springs?

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Speaker 1: How's that? What does he do? No, Charlie comes from

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Speaker 1: a very well to do family, very respectable family involved

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Speaker 1: in oil fields here in Texas. They also own locally

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Speaker 1: a very large feed store that does quite well. I

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Speaker 1: think he's Charlie's, you know, kind of been born with

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Speaker 1: the silver spoon in his mouth and has been pretty

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Speaker 1: much handed everything that he has. Interesting does he have

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Speaker 1: a job? From what I understand, he does own and

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Speaker 1: operate an old field services company, So he's working, and

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Speaker 1: I'm very curious. They've been dating for about one year?

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Speaker 1: Is that right? Robin Wilenski, Yeah, just a little over

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Speaker 1: a year. That is too. JT. Tipton, private investigator at

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Speaker 1: Cinco Paco Security. JT. What more can you tell me

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Speaker 1: about the boyfriend? Charlie wheel are thirty one years old, family,

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Speaker 1: they're in the community, they're very well respected within the community.

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Speaker 1: They're very well politically connected. What do you mean by

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Speaker 1: that just with the local community, with the local leadership

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Speaker 1: ranging from you know, the local sheriff's office too, They're

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Speaker 1: just they're large contributors. I actually think it would be interesting,

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Speaker 1: and I haven't had time to do this. There's been

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Speaker 1: some public comments on some Facebook posts from very well

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Speaker 1: known individuals locally here in the San Antonio Bear County area,

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Speaker 1: some political figures that are piping in, like Carlosures or

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Speaker 1: Carlos Euresti, who some of you may know was. I

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Speaker 1: believe he was just indicted on some criminal charges and

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Speaker 1: he's commenting on these posts. It couldn't have nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with it. And I'd like to see what kind

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Speaker 1: of campaign contributions were made to mister Euresti's campaign account

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Speaker 1: from the Wheelers. I know this. I know that Nicole

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Speaker 1: Olson argue with her boyfriend the night before she and

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Speaker 1: her two daughters were found shot dead and his luxury

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Speaker 1: home in a gated neighborhood. I find it very difficult

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Speaker 1: to believe, Kenyan Johnson, you're the felony prosecutor, that nobody

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Speaker 1: and this posh gated community had security cameras. Oh, this

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Speaker 1: is an ongoing investigation. I think as time goes on

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Speaker 1: and people begin to review their footage, as they hear

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Speaker 1: about this time, something is going to come out. This

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Speaker 1: is the type of neighborhood that is well secured, and

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Speaker 1: as time goes on, we'll find more and more information.

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Speaker 1: In Kenya, Kenya plays. You know rich people, they have

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Speaker 1: all sorts of alarms, they have cameras, the works. So

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Speaker 1: if there was an intruder, you know he and you

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Speaker 1: know it's a man. If there was an intruder, statistically,

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Speaker 1: it's got to be caught on camera. What's happening or

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Speaker 1: someone open walking their dog or taking out the trash.

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Speaker 1: Someone saw something and sometimes it takes a couple of

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Speaker 1: days to put their memory together and well who did

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Speaker 1: was that night? But things are still gonna come out,

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Speaker 1: and we will find someone some of this neighborhood that

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Speaker 1: had to have seen something out of the ordinary. And

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Speaker 1: if they don't see something out of the ordinary, then

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Speaker 1: it leads towards it may have been the boyfriend because

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Speaker 1: nothing was out of the ordinary. Well, hold on, we

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Speaker 1: know that right now the boyfriend has not been named

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Speaker 1: a suspect. He has been named a person of interest

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Speaker 1: to my understanding and the lawyers he already has lawyers.

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Speaker 1: One of his lawyers has expressed frustration with comments made

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Speaker 1: by the sheriff and has reiterated there's no problem cause

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Speaker 1: to indicate Wheeler committed any crime at all. So what

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Speaker 1: happens next? Take a listen to the sheriff Sheriff Salazar speaking.

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Speaker 1: I said it out there at the crime scene that

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Speaker 1: crime knows no boundaries geographic or socioeconomic otherwise, and neither

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Speaker 1: does our manner investigating a case. Just the only difference

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Speaker 1: between this case and others is many times other cases

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Speaker 1: are a lot more clear cut from the onset this one.

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Speaker 1: There's just way too many unanswered questions. But I can

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Speaker 1: tell you that what I've seen of my investigative staff

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Speaker 1: and the efforts that they're putting forward and how painstaking

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Speaker 1: their being, at some point we're going to have a

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Speaker 1: clearer picture. We're just not there yet. We wait as

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Speaker 1: justice unfolds. Tipline two one zero, three, three, five, six

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Speaker 1: zero seven zero Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, Goodbye friend,