Speaker 1: I'm Tamika D.
Speaker 2: Mallory and this.
Speaker 3: Shit Boy my son in general.
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Speaker 1: Inspiration, new energy. What's going on, my son, Lennon, I'm.
Speaker 4: Blessed black and Holly favored. Tamika, Ma, how you doing today?
Speaker 2: I'm doing okay. I'm a part of the Black women
Speaker 2: who are resting. I'm not really restling because I've been
Speaker 2: working and busy and doing and going and planning and being.
Speaker 1: Involved in stuff.
Speaker 2: But I have not been forcing myself to think about
Speaker 2: what's next and a rally, a march, a thing, a thing.
Speaker 2: I just haven't. I just am not forcing myself to
Speaker 2: do that right now. I am a part of the
Speaker 2: ninety two percent. I believe that Black women have the
Speaker 2: instincts that God only himself could have placed in us
Speaker 2: to be able to be the.
Speaker 1: Birth ers of this nation.
Speaker 2: And I believe that our instinct in what we have
Speaker 2: in us is something that other people, you know, benefit from.
Speaker 2: And so since I'm in a ninety two percent, while
Speaker 2: I feel sad about a lot of things that's happening,
Speaker 2: I really feel proud.
Speaker 1: I feel I'm in good company.
Speaker 2: I feel like I don't have to put a cape
Speaker 2: on and immediately return to the battlefield.
Speaker 1: It's the holiday season, and.
Speaker 2: I feel like we as black women, deserve an opportunity
Speaker 2: to sit, exhale, breathe, taking one another's love and affection,
Speaker 2: and just not have to go kill myself stressed out
Speaker 2: of our work.
Speaker 4: As you should enjoy yourself, you know, like you said
Speaker 4: you part of in ninety two percent. I think unfortunately
Speaker 4: for me, I just feel like there's a lot of
Speaker 4: things things that black men are doing.
Speaker 3: So I've been I've been just really organizing in my mind.
Speaker 4: I han't physically went out and did a lot of things,
Speaker 4: but I've been really just strategizing and organizing and pretty
Speaker 4: much like I want to start, like pretty much right
Speaker 4: after the holidays, just really implementing a lot of things
Speaker 4: that I think are needed and necessary in this moment
Speaker 4: for black men, especially black men, young black men, just
Speaker 4: you know, the would I say, the the tide of
Speaker 4: the world, just the energy of the world, just the feeling,
Speaker 4: and I just feel like it's very much a time
Speaker 4: to start strategizing and organizing young black men.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the time has always been and I've
Speaker 2: said to you many times that you know, as a woman,
Speaker 2: I know that we are we are blessed, very blessed
Speaker 2: to have the connections and the relationships among one another.
Speaker 3: You know that.
Speaker 2: Not to say that men and black men particularly don't
Speaker 2: have relationships, but there's just something different about the ways
Speaker 2: in which black women show up from one another. And
Speaker 2: I think something. I think a part of our enslavement
Speaker 2: and what has happened to us fostered certain things. So
Speaker 2: you know, men African men right who were being forced
Speaker 2: into enslavement and then of course going through chattel slavery. Certainly,
Speaker 2: the idea that you are now you know, responsible for
Speaker 2: your community and unable to protect your community at the
Speaker 2: same time has to be something that has created a
Speaker 2: psychological backlash.
Speaker 1: I think that backlash.
Speaker 2: A part of the protection has been, you know, trying
Speaker 2: to maintain position and and and feeling of power and
Speaker 2: a feeling of you know, being able to protect because
Speaker 2: that has been stripped in so many ways from you all,
Speaker 2: in so many ways, and it continues beyond enslavement, beyond
Speaker 2: all that that we went through. Then even now, you
Speaker 2: still see that, and I know that it is important.
Speaker 1: I think anyone whose lineage.
Speaker 2: Includes enslavement, needs, a certain level of therapy, a certain
Speaker 2: level of of of a community of coming together to
Speaker 2: understand a lot of how we're still responding to life based.
Speaker 1: Upon you know, what we have been through.
Speaker 2: You even in your song where you're talking about the
Speaker 2: Willie Lynch letter, you acknowledge that people say the letter may.
Speaker 1: Not be real, but the effects of what what is.
Speaker 2: In that letter, it's significant. It's significant, and I see
Speaker 2: it every day. I see it in young black men
Speaker 2: that I deal with, And I think that the most
Speaker 2: important thing we can be doing for the next four years,
Speaker 2: while being outside and protesting and bringing awareness and all
Speaker 2: of that, is going to be incredibly important. I still
Speaker 2: believe that one of the fundamental things that we have
Speaker 2: to engage in is community building that is not public
Speaker 2: for the world to see, right, Like, that's got to
Speaker 2: be something that we do.
Speaker 1: So I support you one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's definitely time.
Speaker 4: So that's what I've been, you know, just focusing on
Speaker 4: and trying to get into, you know, and just trying
Speaker 4: to stay abreast of what's going on, trying to take
Speaker 4: it light, you know, because everything has been so heavy
Speaker 4: and dark, and you know, so trying to have light conversations,
Speaker 4: enjoy life, you know, listen to music, watch the internet.
Speaker 4: It's a couple of things that I've been focusing on
Speaker 4: that really has been bringing me joy.
Speaker 3: Like I actually like casanat right. I've been watching him.
Speaker 4: He's a young kid and he just enjoys life and
Speaker 4: a lot of people go. He has all these stars
Speaker 4: on his live stream and he's been doing like I
Speaker 4: think he's doing like a thirty day live stream.
Speaker 3: So he's the other day he had Snoop Dogg on there.
Speaker 4: You know, he had Chris Brown on there, and everybody
Speaker 4: is just enjoying hisself, like as a young kids, the
Speaker 4: young in the twenties. They having fun, They talking about
Speaker 4: good things and and I love that, like you know,
Speaker 4: so that why he was.
Speaker 1: On the shower in the shower the other day, because he's.
Speaker 3: Straight.
Speaker 4: They for thirty days straight, everything he does is going
Speaker 4: to be on live stream, so hiss in the shower,
Speaker 4: everything like all his So you can go and you
Speaker 4: can click on his live stream right now and he's
Speaker 4: on the live stream as we speak doing whatever. So
Speaker 4: you know, I've really been enjoying that just watching him
Speaker 4: be and he's and he's he's enjoying life.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It's like I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 4: It reminds me of like The Truman Show, kind of
Speaker 4: if you ever seen the movie The Truman Show with
Speaker 4: Jim Carrey, Like his thing reminds me of the Truman Show,
Speaker 4: but his real life. It's actually his real life and
Speaker 4: the Truman Show, Truman was the only person that didn't
Speaker 4: know that he was on TV. They raised him from
Speaker 4: a little kid inside the TV.
Speaker 1: I think I remember that built.
Speaker 3: The whole life around him. Yeah, they built the whole.
Speaker 2: I'm not as old as you.
Speaker 3: But they built his whole life inside this TV.
Speaker 4: So but when I'm watching this, it's very entertaining, and
Speaker 4: but there was one thing in it that kind of
Speaker 4: that made me that resonated with me because you watched
Speaker 4: him in all this moments.
Speaker 3: So he's in the store and this is just probably today.
Speaker 4: He's in the store, he's buying shoes and it's about
Speaker 4: one hundred pairs of sneakers on the counter. So he
Speaker 4: walks by and he's looking. He's like, well, who put
Speaker 4: all of this stuff? Like, I ain't put all this
Speaker 4: stuff in. So the lady's like, well, people just putting
Speaker 4: stuff up. So he's with his friends or whatever, so
Speaker 4: he's like, yo, just ask, he said, I don't mind
Speaker 4: paying for it, but just ask. Like he ain't saying
Speaker 4: it till he's just saying it to.
Speaker 3: The chat as they listening. Just ask.
Speaker 4: He said, I would never do nothing like that. I
Speaker 4: just wouldn't go. I would ask it. And it resonates
Speaker 4: because when you get to a certain level, or just
Speaker 4: when people think you at a certain level, there's a
Speaker 4: level of entitlement, right think, yo, yo, you got it, Yo,
Speaker 4: you should do it. And it's not that I shouldn't
Speaker 4: do it or I wouldn't do it, but I wanted
Speaker 4: to feel like you don't you you're not taking advantage
Speaker 4: of me.
Speaker 3: And he said, he said, these little things, this is
Speaker 3: how people go broke and be little stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And it shows that he's a sharp young man.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. It's like this how people
Speaker 4: go broke and be little things like this, and you
Speaker 4: ain't saying nothing about it. Next thing, you know, there's
Speaker 4: one hundred thousand going. People just start taking for granted
Speaker 4: that they don't have to ask you for things, and
Speaker 4: they just could take things from me, and it just
Speaker 4: it and it's the mind state. We live in an
Speaker 4: entitlement era, like people feel entitled to things, like I
Speaker 4: have conversations with people and I see so many different things.
Speaker 4: People don't even say thank you no more like you know, family, friends, whatever.
Speaker 4: You do things for people, and it's not that you
Speaker 4: want them to feel like they debt, but you just
Speaker 4: want somebody to say thank you, because that's what you
Speaker 4: would do. I would do say thank you about that
Speaker 4: you did something for me. I want you to feel
Speaker 4: like I acknowledge and I understand that you don't have
Speaker 4: to do something for me, you know, and we're just
Speaker 4: in such a time. So it was it resonated with
Speaker 4: me because I see it happen. I've experienced it, I've
Speaker 4: gone through it a lot. But it resonated to see
Speaker 4: a young boy just understanding that he's in his twenties
Speaker 4: and he understood, like just ask me. He just like, well,
Speaker 4: we got it. We just gonna do this because he
Speaker 4: understands paying attention. He's a student of life. He sees
Speaker 4: with how people have failed, to see how people have won.
Speaker 4: You know, the fact that he brings a lot of
Speaker 4: different artists and people who have made it on his show,
Speaker 4: they've probably given him advice and he's taking it. So yeah,
Speaker 4: it just it just resonated with me because so much
Speaker 4: negativity on the internet. There's so many people just pumping crap.
Speaker 4: Just to see some young boy having fun and who's
Speaker 4: in tune. It's smart and actually understands life.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: It's just it's a breath of fresh air, you know what.
Speaker 2: I like Constantat. I met his sister and his mother,
Speaker 2: and he comes from good stock. He comes from a
Speaker 2: good family, at least from what I saw them. They
Speaker 2: look beautiful people. His sister is very funny and very kind.
Speaker 2: His mother was really kind, and I, you know, I
Speaker 2: think he's a good kid. I do think that when
Speaker 2: you put so much of your personal business in the world,
Speaker 2: people will think that they can take advantage of you
Speaker 2: because they know too much about what you have. And
Speaker 2: that's just the nature of human beings. And sometimes people
Speaker 2: don't even know how to ask because they haven't been
Speaker 2: They no home training, home trained. It goes very much
Speaker 2: to what we were talking about originally, this idea that
Speaker 2: you know, we all and this is not a black
Speaker 2: man or whatever thing. This is all people home training
Speaker 2: is very important. When I was raised, you couldn't ask
Speaker 2: nobody for a thing. If I came home with something
Speaker 2: that somebody gave me, my parents would lose it. You're
Speaker 2: not allowed to have nothing. You're not allowed to have anything.
Speaker 2: Where did you get that from?
Speaker 1: Who gave it to you? Why they give you? Go back?
Speaker 6: Take it?
Speaker 2: Well, so and so mother said I could have it.
Speaker 2: I this mother. Your mother said, you can't have it.
Speaker 2: Take it back.
Speaker 1: Not a shirt, not a shoe. They can't buy you nothing.
Speaker 2: I mean really, And it's funny because I'm the complete opposite.
Speaker 1: I'm always giving and doing and whatever.
Speaker 2: Perhaps some of it has to do with that, But
Speaker 2: I tell you one thing, I do not have expectations
Speaker 2: that anybody's gonna give me anything. But that brings me
Speaker 2: to my thought of the day today. My thought of
Speaker 2: the day today is really kind of like a question.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if people have decided to throw their hands
Speaker 2: up as it relates to police violence, and they just
Speaker 2: over it like that's it, you know, we just it
Speaker 2: is what it is. We've accepted that the police can
Speaker 2: kill us and then probably probably probably will be not
Speaker 2: much to come of it. We can be abused in
Speaker 2: our communities, pulled over, profiled, in some cases, sexually assaulted.
Speaker 2: We know what we're dealing with in Kansas City, Kansas,
Speaker 2: but its officer will sexually assaulting women for years, for
Speaker 2: thirty years, and nobody's gonna do anything about it. And
Speaker 2: so therefore we have sort of decided to relinquish our
Speaker 2: fight and our efforts in that area and just move
Speaker 2: on to financial matters. And maybe there are people who
Speaker 2: really truly believe, which I do believe in some ways,
Speaker 2: that the more economic development and economic growth that we
Speaker 2: have in our communities, then we will have less of
Speaker 2: a need for law enforcement.
Speaker 1: But what I always go back to is how we have.
Speaker 2: Watched communities be extremely economically sound, especially black communities like
Speaker 2: Rosewood and Jacksonville, Florida, or Tulsa, Oklahoma, where the fact
Speaker 2: that we would even get together and try to have
Speaker 2: our own economic engines that pisces them off to and
Speaker 2: they find a way to physically buy fire blow it up,
Speaker 2: not blow it up as in set the leaders up
Speaker 2: and whatever. I'm talking no conspiracy there. We're talking about physical.
Speaker 1: Fire is burning.
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering the reason why I'm asking this question
Speaker 2: around have people just decided police violence, that's one we
Speaker 2: can't win.
Speaker 1: We moving on from it is.
Speaker 2: Because I'm not sure how you have or how you
Speaker 2: as a black man, especially but black people in general,
Speaker 2: some of them are so excited about Trump and his presidents,
Speaker 2: knowing that this is a man who does not believe
Speaker 2: at all that policing should have controls that hold people,
Speaker 2: hold people accountable for harming black and brown folks. We
Speaker 2: know that because he said it so many times. I'm
Speaker 2: not debating it with anybody.
Speaker 3: We know. We said that. We lived through administration where
Speaker 3: he showed it.
Speaker 2: Right, so we know it. So that's that right. And
Speaker 2: I'm not asking this question to focus so much in
Speaker 2: on Trump, but I'm just thinking about the whole pie.
Speaker 2: Because here last week the police went into a man's house,
Speaker 2: Brandon Durham, our brother, Lee Merritt, the attorney is the
Speaker 2: attorney for the family. And then you have ministers Stretch
Speaker 2: from Las Vegas, who is our guy who is there
Speaker 2: working to mobilize the local community. And even he said
Speaker 2: getting people really active and engage and you know, make
Speaker 2: getting people to show up.
Speaker 1: It's not as easy as not even as easy.
Speaker 2: People are not as enthusiastic about being out there to
Speaker 2: push back against the system. Then you have folks that
Speaker 2: we're going to have on the show later on who
Speaker 2: are dealing with trying to force the City of Louisville
Speaker 2: to sign a consent degree with this particular administration, this
Speaker 2: Department of Justice to deal with a list of things
Speaker 2: that the Department of Justice found when they investigated the
Speaker 2: police department for all types of abuse against of power, right,
Speaker 2: And so you got that happening in one hand, and
Speaker 2: then on the other hand, it seems that there are
Speaker 2: people who are like, don't worry about it, or I
Speaker 2: don't know what they feel, and maybe I don't have
Speaker 2: the answer. So I'm hoping that in the comments section
Speaker 2: we're gonna get some answers from folks on where do
Speaker 2: they stand with that? Because Brandon Durham, which I was
Speaker 2: about to say, in Las Vegas, calls the police because
Speaker 2: there's an intruder in his home while he and his
Speaker 2: fifteen year old daughter in the house, and they tell
Speaker 2: them the description of the person who's in the house.
Speaker 2: When the police officer came, he being the man in
Speaker 2: the house. The man who the house belongs to, is
Speaker 2: fighting off a woman who is in the clothes with
Speaker 2: the description that has been reported. He is in the
Speaker 2: clothes or she is she was in a red outfit,
Speaker 2: which is what was reported on the call when police
Speaker 2: help was asked, was requested.
Speaker 1: When the police got.
Speaker 2: There, they shot him the man who house it is.
Speaker 2: They killed Brandon Durham instead of a woman. So, you know,
Speaker 2: like I said, I really want people to just tell
Speaker 2: me have they decided that police violence? Because here's my
Speaker 2: real question because I know that the Trump supporters and
Speaker 2: the black people who tell us that we out of
Speaker 2: our mind. You know, we just doing boogieyman, those people.
Speaker 2: I want to know what the brand and Durham because
Speaker 2: that's what they're gonna do. They always come as well,
Speaker 2: Breonna Taylor was with a guy and he was this
Speaker 2: he was a drug dealer. And then George Floyd, he
Speaker 2: just had something. I don't know if fake twenty whatever nonsense.
Speaker 2: Things they come up. They have an excuse for every
Speaker 2: single situation. So what are they going to say about
Speaker 2: Brandon Durham.
Speaker 1: What did he do?
Speaker 2: He was in his house and he reported the person
Speaker 2: who was in there and gave a description of what
Speaker 2: the person was wearing, and the police came there and
Speaker 2: shot him to death. Now the Trump presidency, his position is,
Speaker 2: which we know that Copston have full immunity from prosecution.
Speaker 2: Mistakes happened, issues happen while they're out there working, but
Speaker 2: they should be able to do their jobs and they
Speaker 2: should not have to worry about people like you and.
Speaker 1: Me making a finger it.
Speaker 2: So I'm just, I just, I really want people to
Speaker 2: let me know where we at.
Speaker 4: I believe that, you know, after the George Floyd era,
Speaker 4: the powers that be worked very hard to get people
Speaker 4: to not recognize any black issues. You know, they made
Speaker 4: Black Lives matter a curse word. They made d a
Speaker 4: curse word. You know, they may all everything that had
Speaker 4: to woke is a curse word. You know, all the
Speaker 4: things that had the whole world paying attention to the
Speaker 4: injustices that black people were dealing with, the people that said, wow,
Speaker 4: these black people really deal on all of those things
Speaker 4: that led to that that the slogans and everything that
Speaker 4: was attached to that has now, oh in less than
Speaker 4: two three years, has turned into curse towards right.
Speaker 3: So this was very intentional.
Speaker 4: It's very active, you know, and they're not going to
Speaker 4: allow black people to continue to.
Speaker 3: You know, they're not gonna allow black.
Speaker 4: People to continue to be able to evolve and to
Speaker 4: grow and get justice and equity in America. So this
Speaker 4: is very intentional. You know, they keep drilling the same
Speaker 4: things in your head. You have black people who try
Speaker 4: to tell you, you know that di is a bad thing,
Speaker 4: and being woke is a bad thing, and black lives matters. Well,
Speaker 4: don't say, nobody want to hear that black lives matter?
Speaker 4: And why do black people need to do this? And
Speaker 4: why does somebody have to have black people? So, because
Speaker 4: you don't need nobody culturally competent to understand what's going
Speaker 4: on with black people issues. We don't need an administration
Speaker 4: that includes us. We don't need a world that includes
Speaker 4: us and sees the value in the black people, especially
Speaker 4: when you have to deal with the issues that black
Speaker 4: people do. So when we're talking about black people getting killed,
Speaker 4: police killing us, they they have none thus to it.
Speaker 4: They made it seem like that's not a big thing. Though, No,
Speaker 4: no white kids about that, y'all just victim you know
Speaker 4: what you are, We have victimhood because we should just
Speaker 4: be okay with be a shot. We should be no really,
Speaker 4: because this is what people tell you what you talk about, Hey,
Speaker 4: policia have no just victimhood. Nobody want to hear that,
Speaker 4: and they quickly dismiss it. And they've got some of
Speaker 4: us to actually buy into that. So what I'm saying
Speaker 4: is I'm not surprised, but you know, I'm also understanding
Speaker 4: that that's that's why we are here.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, that's why we're here.
Speaker 3: This is.
Speaker 4: Because when I sit there and I listen to it,
Speaker 4: my soul is not okay with that. No matter how
Speaker 4: many people I can sit in room with one million
Speaker 4: people try to tell me just forget about it and
Speaker 4: it's not that serious, and my soul is not okay
Speaker 4: with that because I understand so understand what it is
Speaker 4: that I was called here to do is to fight
Speaker 4: for my people, doing regard even despite of my people.
Speaker 4: I'm a fight for my people. So that's the reality
Speaker 4: we're dealing with. You know, unfortunately that we don't see
Speaker 4: the people that care, but we know that people are
Speaker 4: kid because they are people that hit us and tell
Speaker 4: us every day, you know, please keep fighting. Don't let
Speaker 4: these people stop you from fighting. But sometimes you get
Speaker 4: you get weary, you be like, man, what the fuck
Speaker 4: am I fighting, and I realized I say that all
Speaker 4: the time. That's what happened to a lot of our leaders,
Speaker 4: that your quote unquote quote sellouts because.
Speaker 2: People have told you directly that I wouldn't be with you,
Speaker 2: but I can't do it anymore.
Speaker 4: I can't do it anymore, you know, And that's what happens.
Speaker 4: So you know, it is it is a It is
Speaker 4: a hard fight. It is not one when we look
Speaker 4: at even doctor King. We celebrate Doctor King now, but
Speaker 4: the same people celebrate them now call them names. They
Speaker 4: called them coon, they called them sellout. Malcolm Max was
Speaker 4: public enemy, not like these these are real things. So
Speaker 4: when you look at the reality, the same people that
Speaker 4: we celebrate that fought for us had their own people
Speaker 4: turned against them because it was times just like this.
Speaker 4: So you know, we have to understand the moment were in.
Speaker 4: There are going to be people that just act like
Speaker 4: what we're talking about. It don't even matter all. They're
Speaker 4: gonna keep talking about bread and eggs. They're gonna tell
Speaker 4: you about bread and eggs, and they don't care that
Speaker 4: JoJo's gonna get shot by the police, you know, because
Speaker 4: bread and eggs, because somebody told them that bread costs
Speaker 4: more eggs.
Speaker 2: Courts more No, no, So someone didn't tell them that.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying bread and eggs, but that shit
Speaker 4: ain't That's not the major thing bread and eggs, because
Speaker 4: you gotta be alive to eat bread and eggs. And
Speaker 4: for me, I'm just everybody own issue. Like for me,
Speaker 4: I'd rather pay more for bread and eggs and make
Speaker 4: sure that that my family is safe, that there are
Speaker 4: laws in place, then we go. If I gotta work
Speaker 4: a little harder for some bread and eggs, so I
Speaker 4: don't put them. So I don't put people that are
Speaker 4: intentionally trying to roll back my civil rights and take
Speaker 4: away the rights that God gave me in position. It's
Speaker 4: it's like this ship is the This is the classic
Speaker 4: trick of every white supremacy administration and white supremacy government.
Speaker 4: They do the same shit. They make you focus on
Speaker 4: the ship that don't matter, and then you do and.
Speaker 1: White supremacist government.
Speaker 4: I believe it's a white supremacy strategy because I say
Speaker 4: it all the time. I say all the time, like
Speaker 4: there's this clip that I put up every year. It's
Speaker 4: from the movie Trick Baby, and it's it's actually liberals
Speaker 4: and it's Republicans, and it was talking about the difference,
Speaker 4: and the Republicans say, you give them jobs and you
Speaker 4: give them this, and they say, yeah, we give them
Speaker 4: jobs because if we leave one of them in the
Speaker 4: ghetto with energy, he can rise the rest of the
Speaker 4: people up. So what we do is we we rise
Speaker 4: them up. We give them power. And when we give
Speaker 4: them power, they own people turn on them because they
Speaker 4: think they they with us.
Speaker 3: So what we do is we neutralize.
Speaker 4: So we constantly neutralizing our people, never giving them an
Speaker 4: opportunity because everybody's here to fight for us. We were
Speaker 4: fighting against the wrong things. So what they do is
Speaker 4: they give you bullshit money. They tell you, here, we
Speaker 4: got you want some money to keep a couple of
Speaker 4: dollars and people say, that's what I'm here for.
Speaker 3: Domina. That shit is never nothing. The Bible says money
Speaker 3: is the root of all evil. So when we keep.
Speaker 4: Talking about the shit that finances is, it doesn't it
Speaker 4: doesn't equate with the actual reality of what equity injustice
Speaker 4: is and what unity is.
Speaker 3: It's never going to equate to that. I don't get
Speaker 3: for how many times you see it.
Speaker 4: Anybody can tell you, I know people that got money
Speaker 4: all a bunch of money are not happy, right, So
Speaker 4: that's not my focus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear that, and I appreciate that you are,
Speaker 2: that this is who you are, but I.
Speaker 1: Just don't agree. I think that I am more likely
Speaker 1: to encounter.
Speaker 2: Prices inflated cost for gas, food, and other expenses than
Speaker 2: I am to encounter a police officer who may take
Speaker 2: my life. That happens rarely too often, too often, for sure,
Speaker 2: but it is a rarity for most people. But every
Speaker 2: single week they have to go buy eggs, bread, whatever.
Speaker 2: So I believe that both things matter, and they're both
Speaker 2: equally important because.
Speaker 1: I have to be able to survive.
Speaker 2: I need to make sure that I'm not in a
Speaker 2: situation where I'm so financially deprived that my family members
Speaker 2: or even I end up out there in the street
Speaker 2: doing something I have no business doing, trying to make money.
Speaker 3: You know what it is.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying you wrong, and I understand you
Speaker 4: one hundred percent correct, right. I think for me, I
Speaker 4: think I'm at a different stage of understanding where we
Speaker 4: are right. And when you watch there's a strategy that's
Speaker 4: being taken and it's and it's constantly been taken, and
Speaker 4: I see it. Right, It's like Elon Musk is in
Speaker 4: position of power. Right, the stock market for Tesla and
Speaker 4: all that shit is gonna go off and people gonna
Speaker 4: invest their money in it, and then they're gonna make
Speaker 4: a couple of dollars and Elon Musk is gonna take
Speaker 4: control of shit that is going to negatively impact ninety
Speaker 4: percent of us, right, But there's gonna be twenty to
Speaker 4: thirty thousand people that feel like they they made something
Speaker 4: off of it. But the ultimately that man is going
Speaker 4: to impact us in the worst way ever. And we
Speaker 4: think that we benefit off.
Speaker 1: Of it, so that people agree with you about that.
Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying. I know you don't, but
Speaker 3: I understand.
Speaker 1: I didn't say I don't. I said I don't think
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: I know they won't because they don't understand. It's not
Speaker 4: it's not a it's it's like it's like me, right,
Speaker 4: It's like me living in Beverly Hills, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: we're doing good, but five percent of us ain't.
Speaker 3: So I can sit there if I'm sitting there.
Speaker 4: And I'm doing good, and ten of us is good,
Speaker 4: and were able to sit at the table and we
Speaker 4: still only have the two percent of the wealth that
Speaker 4: we've been having for one hundred years. We're not doing anything.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm trying to tell you is fool's goal.
Speaker 4: It's a false sense of reality. We represent thirteen and
Speaker 4: fourteen percent of the population and only two percent of
Speaker 4: us are counted in the wealth in America. That's what
Speaker 4: I'm trying They know that we're not increasing at all.
Speaker 4: They're constantly increasing and growing their numbers of the Wolf gap.
Speaker 4: If when you look at the wolf gap, by they
Speaker 4: say about twenty thirty five, we will be at zero,
Speaker 4: the median household for black people will be zero. This
Speaker 4: what I'm trying to tell you. We're dealing with fool's goal,
Speaker 4: and we keep thinking it's not I don't have to
Speaker 4: it's not about what I think.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you. This what the numbers are saying. This
Speaker 3: is the numbers are showing.
Speaker 4: If you look at the average wealth from nineteen thirty
Speaker 4: sevening to now, we only represented two percent of the wealth.
Speaker 4: And you look at now, we only represent two percent
Speaker 4: of the wealth. The median household is going down every time.
Speaker 4: And then people was saying, look, I'm getting money, I'm
Speaker 4: getting money.
Speaker 2: I'm getting people believe, people believe that maybe maybe under Trump,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be different.
Speaker 3: What I'm trying to tell you. You saying maybe a pandemic.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you what i've heard.
Speaker 3: But I'm just I'm telling you the facts.
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm telling you the things that you can
Speaker 4: when you when you look up the numbers and you
Speaker 4: do the real No.
Speaker 1: I'm just said what you're saying.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying that there are people out here that
Speaker 2: believe that under Donald Trump it might be something different.
Speaker 2: Okayc was the first time he had a pandemic. He
Speaker 2: wasn't able to accomplish the things that he wanted to do.
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you what i've heard. I'm saying that
Speaker 2: I don't believe any of it. I think that we're
Speaker 2: going to see the effects of his presidency in about
Speaker 2: two years, and.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be the commis. I think that
Speaker 1: we're going.
Speaker 2: To see the impact of his presidency in about two years.
Speaker 2: But I think we're gonna know even more in the
Speaker 2: next presidency. So whoever else becomes elected in four years,
Speaker 2: that's how we're gonna know what his policies, the damage
Speaker 2: that his policies have caused you're not.
Speaker 4: Going to really know you want me tell you why,
Speaker 4: because what happens is at this point, what they've done
Speaker 4: is disenfranchised black people. Right, we have a black movement
Speaker 4: that is so fractured that they don't even know what
Speaker 4: the next step is. So the next person that comes
Speaker 4: that feels like he has to leave, he's going to
Speaker 4: sit figure that the model that he has to follow
Speaker 4: is like Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Right, we was built, we were literally building.
Speaker 4: When we look at what we were building, when we
Speaker 4: went to the DNC and you looked at all of
Speaker 4: the black people, when you've seen the levels of black
Speaker 4: power and black influence and black all of that, the
Speaker 4: next person is going to feel like they have to
Speaker 4: move away from that because this is what this is
Speaker 4: what America is telling you. They don't want that, they
Speaker 4: don't want woke, they don't want black power, they don't
Speaker 4: want all of these things. So I don't think the
Speaker 4: next person is going to go into the positions saying you.
Speaker 1: Know what, I think they will.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't see it.
Speaker 4: I don't see where they feel like it. If you
Speaker 4: look at what they saying, they saying it that strategy fails.
Speaker 4: They America does not want to be unified. America doesn't
Speaker 4: believe that. I'm just trying to I'm telling you, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't see somebody. I don't see America. I don't
Speaker 4: see no party getting behind somebody that's trying to push
Speaker 4: the same values that they that This is probably the
Speaker 4: word every swing statement they've they're saying is a she lacking.
Speaker 4: There's no no, no common sense personal because this is
Speaker 4: they forced us to believe there's nobody that's gonna invest
Speaker 4: their money in their time inside the strategy that they've
Speaker 4: already seen fail and unless something changed, nless there's something
Speaker 4: that shifts the tide of America, unless this is see.
Speaker 1: This is where.
Speaker 2: This is where my thought process departs from a lot
Speaker 2: of people, because what I believe is that we will
Speaker 2: begin to see, like I said, in about two years,
Speaker 2: the impact of this presidency, and it's actually going to
Speaker 2: force us into a movement back into a space where
Speaker 2: people are gonna realize they can't even get elected if
Speaker 2: they are that other thing.
Speaker 1: That's what I believe is gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I believe that they're gonna want to get so far
Speaker 2: away from that other thing, because for instance, when Donald
Speaker 2: Trump was president, he got upset with New York for
Speaker 2: not whatever whatever something he wanted people in New York
Speaker 2: to do and the legislators he had said no. And
Speaker 2: next thing, you know, he took away our ability to
Speaker 2: have a global entry coming into the country.
Speaker 1: That impacts people who have.
Speaker 2: Money, right, and so people who have money and or
Speaker 2: people who are well traveled, people who understand clear and
Speaker 2: all those programs and being a known traveler, they're the
Speaker 2: ones that's impacted by that.
Speaker 1: They didn't like it. They didn't like it.
Speaker 2: But you also had four years of Joe Biden in between.
Speaker 2: So now when you circle the block to him, back
Speaker 2: to his Shenanigans of his thinking that he can punish people,
Speaker 2: his vindictive nature, that is going to make people turned off.
Speaker 1: I know it is. I just wait for the day
Speaker 1: for it all to happen.
Speaker 2: But anyway, my daughter, they went all around into fifteen
Speaker 2: different directions. But I think it's all great conversation. But
Speaker 2: none of us can predict. All we can do is
Speaker 2: because we've already predicted. We didn't predict, we forecast it
Speaker 2: what is to come, and now it will either be
Speaker 2: that we're wrong, which I agree. Charlamagne says something the
Speaker 2: other day. I don't want Donald Trump to fail. I
Speaker 2: literally don't because of his failures, the failure of our people.
Speaker 2: I want the Lord to come into his heart and
Speaker 2: his mind and say, hey, you got to do better.
Speaker 2: You can't be that person. Do I believe that that
Speaker 2: will happen. No, but that's what I want. I want
Speaker 2: his party, the Republican Party, to look at him and say,
Speaker 2: if we allow you to take us down this path,
Speaker 2: we're never going to be able to win an election again,
Speaker 2: or at least for a long time.
Speaker 1: We're gonna lose the in the midterms.
Speaker 4: I don't understand how you're saying that when they voted
Speaker 4: for death. They voted for that twice. To tell you,
Speaker 4: it's America.
Speaker 2: They vote, they did not, they did not, they did not.
Speaker 2: What you have in this election is a lack of
Speaker 2: voter participation. So when you have a people that feel ignited,
Speaker 2: they could beat Donald Trump, but they stayed home. Fifteen
Speaker 2: million people if what they're telling us is true, because
Speaker 2: I don't believe shit. Because long Elon Musk is involved,
Speaker 2: I don't know what they did. I have no idea,
Speaker 2: but let's just go with it is what it is.
Speaker 2: The rules are the rules. So if that's what happened
Speaker 2: and fifteen million people came home, that stay home. Those
Speaker 2: people are part of the reason why we lost the election.
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is that as people go and
Speaker 2: continue to move, we already know that more than half
Speaker 2: of America is racist and or trying to be connected
Speaker 2: to white people because they think white power and white
Speaker 2: men is how they will get their handmaid's tell access.
Speaker 1: To their own power. We already know that we got that.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, when you really
Speaker 2: kind of crunch it all down, most of the people
Speaker 2: who didn't vote are people who just said, I know,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna vote for Donald Trump, but I can't
Speaker 2: support Gaza. I'm broke, I'm stressed, I'm struggling, and I
Speaker 2: can't be involved in that.
Speaker 1: I don't like Joe Biden. I'm not voting for a woman.
Speaker 2: So you have all those people I'm not voting for
Speaker 2: a black person, a black woman. You have all those
Speaker 2: people that, if activated, could be and put themselves in
Speaker 2: a position or could have put us in a position
Speaker 2: to win in two years during the midterms, because if
Speaker 2: things are too out of control. That's when you'll see
Speaker 2: it where people their own legislay, they got so you
Speaker 2: with this bullshit.
Speaker 1: Oh we don't, we don't want you. Hey, what do
Speaker 1: I know?
Speaker 4: Listen, We'll see That's all I say, We'll see. So
Speaker 4: that brings me to my music spotlight today. You know,
Speaker 4: it's it's pretty much easy.
Speaker 3: You know. Kendrick dropped an.
Speaker 4: Album out of nowhere at six seven, eight o'clock in
Speaker 4: the morning that just, you know, tore the whole charts
Speaker 4: up and tore the whole music world up.
Speaker 3: And I, you know, I was.
Speaker 4: I had the luxury of driving my son to soccer
Speaker 4: this weekend and it was about a two hour ride
Speaker 4: both ways, so that was about four hours of me driving.
Speaker 3: So I listened to it over and over and I
Speaker 3: just got in tune with it.
Speaker 4: And I think one of my favorite tracks on it
Speaker 4: is where he took a Tupac like beating it was.
Speaker 4: It was he had this energy of Tupac and it's
Speaker 4: called Reincarnated And I'm trying to figure out I didn't really.
Speaker 4: I'm listening to it and he's talking about two different artists.
Speaker 4: I think one of them is Billy Holliday. I'm almost
Speaker 4: sure that the woman he was talking about is Billy Holiday.
Speaker 4: And I thought it was Jimmy Hendrix.
Speaker 3: The first one.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but it's somebody that played the guitar.
Speaker 4: I don't know exactly it was Jimmy Hendrix or somebody else,
Speaker 4: but I gotta listen again because I gotta get the
Speaker 4: dates on what it was. But he's talking about these
Speaker 4: people being reincardinating and coming back as him, and then
Speaker 4: he has a conversation at the end with God, you know,
Speaker 4: and God is talking to him like I sent you
Speaker 4: here these d three different ways, you know, so you
Speaker 4: can get it right.
Speaker 3: And then he's like, but you still you too YouTube
Speaker 3: consume with war, Like you say you want peace, but
Speaker 3: you consume with war. He said, well, I'm trying to
Speaker 3: unite my people, and I'm trying to unite the worst
Speaker 3: I'm doing all this what you want?
Speaker 5: You?
Speaker 4: You you hold these grudges and you fight wars all
Speaker 4: the time. When are you going When are you going
Speaker 4: to let that go?
Speaker 3: When are you gonna let that energy go?
Speaker 4: And it's like he's fighting with itself and God like
Speaker 4: it's such a dope song. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 4: it's one of those songs that it just shows the
Speaker 4: creativity of Kendrick Lamar. And what I respect about him
Speaker 4: is that he pushes the envelope, you know, and he
Speaker 4: does things that are different. So I would ask anybody
Speaker 4: to be listening to the album, just really listen to Reincarnated.
Speaker 4: Don't just listen to because it got that you know,
Speaker 4: that that vibe, that that Tupac vibe, but just listen
Speaker 4: to the lyrics and listen to what he's saying.
Speaker 2: I haven't had a chance to listen to the album
Speaker 2: at all, but all of my music finiciados, that's how
Speaker 2: you said. I think so that my people who love music,
Speaker 2: they seen y'all seem to be into it.
Speaker 1: So with that being said, I'm sure I will want myself.
Speaker 4: It's a body of work. It's one of those bodies
Speaker 4: of work, you know. That's what I love about Kendrick.
Speaker 4: He doesn't just drop music and that you could just buy.
Speaker 4: It's a body of work. Like each song does something
Speaker 4: different to you, but it still tells like a story,
Speaker 4: and it gives you a mind frame and puts you
Speaker 4: in a mind frame and understands and it actually makes
Speaker 4: you if you're creative of you an artist, it makes
Speaker 4: you push yourself, Like just listening to the album and
Speaker 4: gave me just ideas of my own things. They were
Speaker 4: far from his, but it just pushed me to think
Speaker 4: about different things.
Speaker 3: So it gets you push you in a creative mind state.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 2: Hendrick Lamar, Hendrew Lamar, all right, let's get into our guests.
Speaker 2: This is going to be a panel that I'm quite
Speaker 2: excited about today. We have several people on to talk
Speaker 2: about an issue that should matter to folks all over
Speaker 2: the country. You know, I often say we need a
Speaker 2: consent decree on America for many things, and I want
Speaker 2: to talk more about what a consent decree is with
Speaker 2: the next group of people that's coming up. So let's
Speaker 2: have our panel. It's so good to have y'all with us.
Speaker 2: It feels like home. Like we need to do it
Speaker 2: more often so we can see y'all's faces and.
Speaker 1: Continue to be in community together.
Speaker 2: I just think that it is important to state that
Speaker 2: from the day we met four years ago, which you know,
Speaker 2: by the time I met Katura, I was apologizing off
Speaker 2: the back for a big boobo that I made. But nonetheless,
Speaker 2: we have continued to support one another every single step
Speaker 2: of the way. I think what came out of our
Speaker 2: connection through Brionna Taylor, the tragic and unfortunate death of
Speaker 2: Brianna Taylor is such an example that can be studied
Speaker 2: by movements and people across the country that while we
Speaker 2: face conflict, we face drama, trauma, and your mama, everything
Speaker 2: you could think of. Still through every step of the way,
Speaker 2: outsiders to Little came together with the local community and
Speaker 2: continued to support one another. And I just think that's
Speaker 2: just so good. So I'm happy to have y'all with
Speaker 2: us today. So we are looking at the beautiful faces
Speaker 2: of Kentucky State Representative Katora Harung and also attorney at law,
Speaker 2: our dear sister Leanita Baker, who has her own law
Speaker 2: firm which is called Baker Injury Law. So if you're
Speaker 2: out there in the Louisville or Kentucky area, or how
Speaker 2: many other places can.
Speaker 6: You practice Georgia, Kentucky and Georgia.
Speaker 2: Kentucky and Georgia, and you have any type of injury law,
Speaker 2: what's that called person or injury?
Speaker 7: So you slip and follow somewhere, you get hit by
Speaker 7: a truck, a car, anything, you know, medical negligence, nursing home,
Speaker 7: any anybody injured.
Speaker 2: That's your girl to call. Attorney Lanita Baker. Thank y'all
Speaker 2: for joining us.
Speaker 7: Thank you, and that's soon to be senator parent you're
Speaker 7: not ship, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: Katura took off and has not stopped yet. So I'm
Speaker 2: sure that soon you'll be in Washington, d C. Being
Speaker 2: you know, Congresswoman Katura or Haran. It is coming. I'm
Speaker 2: not even worried about it.
Speaker 3: That's right. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 8: Politics is a lot, you know, and uh so we'll see,
Speaker 8: we'll see what God has in store.
Speaker 2: I have a friend who is an elected official in
Speaker 2: New York who calls me today. I'm cleaning and just
Speaker 2: listening to this person venting that, like it's so hard
Speaker 2: to be real and in politics like that is the
Speaker 2: toughest job ever is to maintain being a real person
Speaker 2: who's seriously about the issues, be an authentic having a
Speaker 2: social justice lens and trying to blend in with as
Speaker 2: they said, these suckers. Man, I can't take it. Man,
Speaker 2: that's a word.
Speaker 8: It is very difficult to balance, and it's very difficult
Speaker 8: really to live when you're not doing politics. This past weekend,
Speaker 8: I went to a wedding and a guy came up
Speaker 8: to me and he's like, don't I know you?
Speaker 3: And so I told him.
Speaker 8: Who I was and he was like, you have a
Speaker 8: card and I was like no, He's like, why don't
Speaker 8: you have a card? And I'm like, I'm at a wedding,
Speaker 8: like I'm just trying to be And so it's definitely
Speaker 8: a balance, and you know, it's very humbling and an
Speaker 8: honor to serve, but it is.
Speaker 3: It takes a toll on.
Speaker 7: An individual for real tour and you're better than me
Speaker 7: because I'd be out. If I'm out at a regular
Speaker 7: social event, people like I know you from somewhere. I'm like,
Speaker 7: I don't know where from, and my friends would be
Speaker 7: like you wrong.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I mean, I know what I'm not trying
Speaker 6: to talk about.
Speaker 1: That's what my thought does to people.
Speaker 2: People walk up to my thought everywhere and they go, yo,
Speaker 2: I know you, I know your He goes like he
Speaker 2: don't know what the people were talking about, because at.
Speaker 4: The end of the day, I mean, sometimes you just
Speaker 4: want to relax, and if they figure out who you are,
Speaker 4: they say, hey, you certain says that obliged. But I'm
Speaker 4: not the person that's going to say UNDERGA, I might
Speaker 4: say unwrapped and I do this.
Speaker 3: I don't want to do all. You know, So if
Speaker 3: you just say you look familiar, I think I know
Speaker 3: I'll be like, well, maybe you do.
Speaker 6: You know those faces?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you tell me that all the time.
Speaker 2: Y'all, two us so much alike is ridiculous. But so
Speaker 2: we're here to talk about a serious issue today. I
Speaker 2: appreciate the two of you being able to alter your
Speaker 2: schedules because this is a real time sensitive issue for
Speaker 2: lots of reasons. You know, during President Obama's presidency his
Speaker 2: terms in office, one of the things that I was
Speaker 2: very proud of that we worked on and we advocated for,
Speaker 2: was the use of consent decrees to address the concerns
Speaker 2: around police departments around the country. We know that depending
Speaker 2: on who your president is, and particularly Republican governors do
Speaker 2: not lean into consent decrees at all. But under President
Speaker 2: Obama they were an eric holder. Obviously being the Attorney General.
Speaker 2: This was something that they sort of brought to the
Speaker 2: forefront and really began to use that particular model that
Speaker 2: whatever you're going to explain it to us a little better,
Speaker 2: Attorney Baker to address, to address police departments where their
Speaker 2: behavior is not just one incident or two incidents, but
Speaker 2: there is a pattern, a pattern in practice of abuse,
Speaker 2: misuse of force, the violation of civil rights, and the
Speaker 2: issues go on and on. And so we saw more
Speaker 2: of that happening across the country. And of course, once
Speaker 2: Donald Trump became president, the first time it went away,
Speaker 2: they in fact declined to continue in that on that path.
Speaker 2: And here we are back there again. Lenita, why don't
Speaker 2: you tell us what is the importance of the consent
Speaker 2: degree and then you can give us a little bit
Speaker 2: of information about what's been happening in.
Speaker 1: Kentucky, And of course Katura please jump in.
Speaker 7: So the importance of a consent decree is it provides
Speaker 7: oversight for the police department. It's not the chief, it's
Speaker 7: not the mayor. It's basically saying police department. Sometimes it's jail,
Speaker 7: sometimes it's school, so like in this particular instance, we're
Speaker 7: talking about the Louiso Metro Police Department. But consent decrees
Speaker 7: are when the Department of Justice, the Civil Rights Division
Speaker 7: of the Department of Justice, which we know is led
Speaker 7: by Right now and at least into January, led by
Speaker 7: the formidable Kristen Clark, who has just been amazing in
Speaker 7: the four years that she's had to lead that section
Speaker 7: of Department of Justice.
Speaker 6: It gives us her court orders.
Speaker 7: Other tools for monitoring for these entities who under their
Speaker 7: investigations they found that an entity, whether again police department,
Speaker 7: jail schools, any government entity, has engaged in violating the
Speaker 7: civil rights of any particular group of citizens within the
Speaker 7: United States.
Speaker 6: And so as we know here in.
Speaker 7: Louisville, and after President Biden became president, the Department of
Speaker 7: Justice announced that it would do an investigation into the
Speaker 7: Louisville Metro Police Department for patterns in practice. Part of
Speaker 7: that was based off of the recognition that came in
Speaker 7: from Breonna Taylor. But in addition to Brionna Taylor, I
Speaker 7: tell people, you know, we had the search warrants. I
Speaker 7: represented a young man, formidable young man named Tayon.
Speaker 6: Lee, who was stopped you know.
Speaker 7: Driving his car in the West End, driving his mother's
Speaker 7: car in the West End, detained forty five minutes to
Speaker 7: an hour simply because he happened to be in the
Speaker 7: wrong neighborhood driving a nice car and being a black male,
Speaker 7: all he wanted to do was go home on his
Speaker 7: day off.
Speaker 6: And you know, we just settled his case last year.
Speaker 7: But there was a pattern of those and the Louis
Speaker 7: Police Department called that a people places narcotics strategy to
Speaker 7: decrease valient crime. But what they were doing was basically
Speaker 7: horizon people in the wrong neighborhood. So their thought was, oh,
Speaker 7: if we find guns come with drugs, and you know,
Speaker 7: if we cracked down on drugs and guns, then you
Speaker 7: know we're reducing crime. But what you were doing were
Speaker 7: I seen innocent young men. We've seen that, you know
Speaker 7: through their investigation the improporate Like when I read the
Speaker 7: Patterns in Practice Practice report for LMPD, you would have
Speaker 7: thought you were in nineteen sixties, like releasing dogs on teenagers.
Speaker 6: Like what world are we living in? That this is okay?
Speaker 6: And so that was ye'ah.
Speaker 7: You know that those patterns in practice binding came down,
Speaker 7: I want to say in twenty twenty two. It's not
Speaker 7: early twenty twenty three. And the mayor team whoever he
Speaker 7: put in place to negotiate on behalf of the city
Speaker 7: and the Department of Justice, which I know, you know
Speaker 7: this is a priority for them to get this content
Speaker 7: decree signed before the administrations change. I've been negotiating, but
Speaker 7: here we are two months out, and what I can say,
Speaker 7: if it's not signed by January nineteenth, it's not gonna
Speaker 7: get signed and.
Speaker 6: It would be business as usual for LMPD.
Speaker 7: And we really need these consent decrees to force change.
Speaker 6: Like we have a new police chief.
Speaker 7: He can't It's only so much you can do if
Speaker 7: you can't say, well, we got to change because we
Speaker 7: got this consent decree. Otherwise will be in valiation of
Speaker 7: a court order because it is monitored about the court.
Speaker 1: It's all about culture.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's unbelievable to me. So basically we have two
Speaker 4: months in order to be able to have some type
Speaker 4: of jurisdiction or what these police can do to us,
Speaker 4: and they've already said that they've noted a bunch of
Speaker 4: patterns and practices that are pretty much unconstitutional, and so
Speaker 4: we got to fight for them to actually just do
Speaker 4: the right thing.
Speaker 7: For the mayor to do the right thing and sign
Speaker 7: the consent decree. And when we say two months, it's
Speaker 7: because of what happened with the election. If we weren't
Speaker 7: if November seventh, it turned out differently.
Speaker 6: It may not. It still needs to be signed, but
Speaker 6: it's not as high of a like.
Speaker 7: I don't think BP Harris would have been saying we're
Speaker 7: not going to do consent decrees. But we know that
Speaker 7: Donald Trump would do that because one, he did it
Speaker 7: the first time he was elected, you know, when he
Speaker 7: took office in twenty seventeen, and two he already wants
Speaker 7: officers to have full immunity, So what the hell would
Speaker 7: why would he do it content decree? So that's why
Speaker 7: we are at the space that we are at. And
Speaker 7: I feel like, for me, for as much work as
Speaker 7: everyone on this callee put in, for as much work
Speaker 7: as everybody in the city has put in, if our
Speaker 7: mayor is not willing to sign it, then like.
Speaker 1: That's another issue, a whole other issue.
Speaker 6: But it's time for him to go too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm gonna say that.
Speaker 8: Before we go on, or do want to like, let
Speaker 8: the folks know what exactly those things were that were
Speaker 8: in that report absolutely so specifically the Justice Apartment and
Speaker 8: found that LMPD uses excessive force, including unjustified net restraints
Speaker 8: and unreasonable use of police dogs and tasers. Conduct searches
Speaker 8: based on invalid warrants, unlawfully execute search warrants without knocking
Speaker 8: and announcing, unlawfully stops searches, detains and arrests people during
Speaker 8: street enforcement activities, including traffic and pedestrian stops, unlawfully discriminates
Speaker 8: against black people and its enforcement activities, violates the rights
Speaker 8: of people engaged in protected free speech critical of police.
Speaker 8: And the last thing they found was that LMPD discriminates
Speaker 8: against people with behavioral health disabilities room responding to crisses.
Speaker 1: That's a list. That's a long list.
Speaker 3: That's a long list.
Speaker 1: Representative Haraan, why would your man not sign? What is
Speaker 1: he saying? What's the issue at this point?
Speaker 8: I mean, I think if you look at what he
Speaker 8: is saying publicly, he just basically said that they're not
Speaker 8: in agreeans but has not gone into detail exactly what
Speaker 8: that means. But publicly that is what he is saying
Speaker 8: that currently they do not agree. The two parties have
Speaker 8: not come on an agreeance. I think the other thing
Speaker 8: that I want people to know and understand is that
Speaker 8: the community has never been a part of the process
Speaker 8: once the negotiation is started, So we're actually also in
Speaker 8: a place where we're putting trust in the current administration
Speaker 8: and putting trust in the DOJ that whatever comes out
Speaker 8: of it, that we're trusting that that is what we
Speaker 8: want as a community.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 8: You know, it's so it's a lot so like right now,
Speaker 8: we're literally putting our trust in these two entities that
Speaker 8: they're going to do right by the people. And so
Speaker 8: as we're saying we need to get this done before
Speaker 8: January nineteenth, we still haven't even had it even been
Speaker 8: a part of that deeper conversation about what exactly is
Speaker 8: the negotiations right now or who actually from.
Speaker 3: The city is a part of the negotiation. We don't
Speaker 3: know what that is.
Speaker 2: I mentioned that our councilwoman, Shamika parish Wright has also joined.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for Shamika for coming in and
Speaker 2: being with us. Counselwoman, please.
Speaker 5: Thank you first, good afternoon, and it's an honor to
Speaker 5: be here and I really appreciate you all. Keeping as
Speaker 5: fire lit, I told Tamika, the timing is perfect, and
Speaker 5: I'm glad that we have a Kentucky lawyer who is
Speaker 5: very amazing and capable. So if I say some things
Speaker 5: that ain't right, you could get me right. But I
Speaker 5: first want to thank now Senator Electator hearing. That is
Speaker 5: the phenomenal to know that you're going to be carrying
Speaker 5: justice and equality and all those things at that level
Speaker 5: because we really really need it. And today we had
Speaker 5: a press conference right at in Justice Square aka Jefferson Square,
Speaker 5: right where the marker is signifying what happened to Breonna
Speaker 5: Taylor and all the subsequent best David McAtee and Tyler
Speaker 5: Gerf and everyone else that's been connected. It's been an
Speaker 5: ongoing battle. I don't know about you all, because you
Speaker 5: all have been day one down on the ground too,
Speaker 5: but it's been an up and down roller coaster and
Speaker 5: as my son alluded to, it just seems like never ending,
Speaker 5: you know, an accountability I don't know. I got in
Speaker 5: trouble a lot when I was younger. I don't know
Speaker 5: about you all, and the only choice I had sometimes
Speaker 5: was to choose a switch or a belt or punishment,
Speaker 5: and to me, punishment was the worst. But I knew
Speaker 5: that with the switch or the belt it'll be over
Speaker 5: with quick. The problem is is that LMPD is trying
Speaker 5: to continue through the mayor, because the mayor is now
Speaker 5: as a puppet we have one of our deputy mayors
Speaker 5: that is a former police officer that still operates, was
Speaker 5: once over the FOP was once he was there when
Speaker 5: they had a recent consent decree. This is our second
Speaker 5: consent decree in recent history. The first one was on
Speaker 5: the hiring practices, and he was there this this deputy
Speaker 5: mayor was there doing that part of the process and
Speaker 5: maybe it helped him as a black man on the
Speaker 5: police force. But right now what we have is people
Speaker 5: the police who have been policing themselves the whole time,
Speaker 5: trying to tell us. They didn't tell us how they
Speaker 5: were going to hurt us, but they're trying to tell
Speaker 5: us how we should heal. So they're looking for an
Speaker 5: exit date. They said that they looked at all these
Speaker 5: different content decrees in other places and they seem to
Speaker 5: go on with the monitoring and they want to make sure.
Speaker 9: That there's a real clear exit strategy.
Speaker 10: One of the reasons, one of the reasons we have
Speaker 10: were giving to what was given to why the mayor isn't,
Speaker 10: as you know, trying to sign it.
Speaker 5: But they say different things. They talked about both sides
Speaker 5: of their mouth. They say in one press conference by
Speaker 5: Thanksgiving we should have something, and that the mayor is
Speaker 5: eager to sign it. And then when I was just
Speaker 5: in a council meeting before our regular council meeting, it
Speaker 5: was announced that the mayor wants to make sure that
Speaker 5: there's an extra strategy and in one of the council
Speaker 5: people alluded to the ongoing cost of monitoring. So my
Speaker 5: thing is, so what whatever it costs, LMPD earned it.
Speaker 5: That is the narrative that we must all be united on.
Speaker 5: They earned this concept decree. You don't get to tell
Speaker 5: us when it ends. You don't get to try to
Speaker 5: maintain and monitor.
Speaker 9: What you get out of your as.
Speaker 5: Your punishment or your consequences. Because this has happened before,
Speaker 5: our LMPD is our the same Louisville Metro Police Department
Speaker 5: accused of hurting young children in their Explorer program, raping
Speaker 5: young children, raping women. There's nothing in our books for that.
Speaker 5: I'm thankful for the work of representative hearing because without
Speaker 5: that we wouldn't even have a formal no more, no
Speaker 5: knocks on the books. I'm thankful for the States, but
Speaker 5: there's been nothing really significant. So the DOJ response is
Speaker 5: a federal response, and what we need is a local
Speaker 5: response that helps us hold them accountable, which is why
Speaker 5: I followed the People's Consent to cree and that has
Speaker 5: exactly what Caturrn Hearing laid out, as well as the
Speaker 5: History of Policing report. It's their words, it's the words
Speaker 5: that they've accepted, that they put on their website, and
Speaker 5: to get my colleagues to pass a resolution meant for them.
Speaker 5: They couldn't hold too truth. You can want the most trusted, trained,
Speaker 5: well paid police department, but they still are held accountable
Speaker 5: because basically we're paying them and they're violating human rights
Speaker 5: and civil rights and there's no repercussion. And if you
Speaker 5: really want to stop the gang balance and the balance
Speaker 5: that we see, that balance happens in board rooms, it
Speaker 5: happens before we see it on the ground, and it
Speaker 5: definitely happens with our police department. So we have so
Speaker 5: many fronts on I just appreciate being able to be
Speaker 5: a part of this communication. I plan to refoul the
Speaker 5: People's Consent decree. It passed out of committee and then
Speaker 5: it got sold when it went to the whole council,
Speaker 5: and so I wrote our council for council, I wrote
Speaker 5: them and asked them, what do I need to do
Speaker 5: to foul this again, because we have nothing in writing
Speaker 5: to meet in mine soon on our books that really
Speaker 5: acknowledges what has happened. This federal response is one thing,
Speaker 5: but we don't have anything that signifies what happens so
Speaker 5: that we can hold them accountable going forward.
Speaker 7: I think one thing with that though, too, is we
Speaker 7: do have to be cognizant of Like I'm in support
Speaker 7: of the people's consent decree, but I also don't want
Speaker 7: to confuse constituents in we have a federal consent decree
Speaker 7: which the federal courts can enforce, and so there is
Speaker 7: that enforceability mechanism within that consent decree. And I you know,
Speaker 7: I've seen the work that Kristin Clark has been putting
Speaker 7: in around the country, not just in Louisville.
Speaker 6: Like this isn't just something she's doing in Louisville.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 7: She comes from Tamika, you know, Kristen, she She's got
Speaker 7: a long pedigree from Lawyer's Committee for Civil Rights under
Speaker 7: the Law to you know that this appointment and you know,
Speaker 7: her office being the one that led the is leading
Speaker 7: the criminal prosecutions for the officers against Breonna Taylor, her
Speaker 7: office being the ones that you know did the criminal
Speaker 7: prosecutions against the officers that was throwing to Slashy.
Speaker 6: So it's like her office.
Speaker 7: Has been the one holding these people responsible for even
Speaker 7: the little bit of respons is. It's it's a small
Speaker 7: measure of accountability for what needs to be happened. But
Speaker 7: any type of accountability that's come, whether it's in Brianna
Speaker 7: Taylor's case or whether it's in other cases the civil
Speaker 7: rights violations, it's coming from her office.
Speaker 6: And so I have a lot of faith.
Speaker 7: It's like when we talk about what's in that consent decree,
Speaker 7: Kristen ain't letting no bs come through that consent decree.
Speaker 7: And so like when I say like pushing consent like
Speaker 7: before January nineteenth, like to me, I feel like may
Speaker 7: Greenberger has stalled it out and you know he's sought
Speaker 7: it out to see what's gonna happen with the election,
Speaker 7: and then like, oh the election turned out, you know,
Speaker 7: we might get away without actually ever having.
Speaker 6: To sound one. And it's like, nah, we shouldn't let
Speaker 6: that ride.
Speaker 7: Like this department is no better than it was when
Speaker 7: they issued that report. And you set up here and
Speaker 7: it's like, oh, we're going to accept the accountability and
Speaker 7: da da da. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 7: when we talk about how much it's gonna cost to
Speaker 7: monitor it, what I can tell you is these lawsuits
Speaker 7: that continue to come costs more than the cost to
Speaker 7: monitor it because they continue to get sued back to
Speaker 7: back to back. Like people are taking this patterns and
Speaker 7: practice investigation finding, they're taking like the civil rights attorneys
Speaker 7: are taking it in court, like look what they do,
Speaker 7: Like it's ain't just they can't say they didn't know,
Speaker 7: they've been valid and they continuing to do it.
Speaker 6: So like we have to change.
Speaker 7: And if they're not going to change, like mayor, by
Speaker 7: bye bye.
Speaker 3: So what do you think what should be the next steps?
Speaker 3: What can people do?
Speaker 4: Like, you know, Katura was talking about how there is
Speaker 4: nobody part of you know, the community that has any
Speaker 4: input inside of what happened in is discent decrease. So
Speaker 4: what can just the people in constituents and the citizens
Speaker 4: do to help move this forward.
Speaker 8: I think the biggest thing right now is there has
Speaker 8: to be all hands on deck and pressure for the
Speaker 8: mayor's office to sign it, you know, and people can
Speaker 8: do that by a calling directly to the Mayor's office.
Speaker 8: People can also call their Metro Council members. Obviously we
Speaker 8: have Councilwoman Paris right who's on board. But the same
Speaker 8: way that we had the line going when it came
Speaker 8: to Breonna Taylor in twenty twenty, when you call Metro
Speaker 8: Council literally on that line and said, if you're calling
Speaker 8: regard Breonna Taylor, press one, all other inquiries press two,
Speaker 8: and that's the same type of pressure that needs to
Speaker 8: be put back on that. They need to note that
Speaker 8: the people are serious and that this needs to be
Speaker 8: signed because of significance. No matter what the next administration
Speaker 8: is gonna do, this is the responsibility of the mayor.
Speaker 3: And this administration.
Speaker 8: We can't wait to see what a Trump administration's gonna do,
Speaker 8: whether he's gonna take them away or not. We'll deal
Speaker 8: with that when that piece comes, but right now, the
Speaker 8: Mayor's office they need to do everything in their power
Speaker 8: to put that pen to that paper and sign it
Speaker 8: and to get on the contract to make sure that
Speaker 8: the people of Louisville are protected, and then for him
Speaker 8: to hold truth to what he said that he was
Speaker 8: gonna do when the people elected him right, And.
Speaker 2: I think that's so important because regardless of what happens
Speaker 2: with Trump, he still has a re election for himself.
Speaker 2: The mayor is going to want to run for reelection,
Speaker 2: and people need to be able to measure him, not
Speaker 2: by Kristen Clark, not by Donald Trump, not by any
Speaker 2: of those measures. It needs to be based upon his
Speaker 2: own merit and what he has done. And so I think,
Speaker 2: I think you're one hundred percent right that we have
Speaker 2: to turn up the energy. That's why we wanted to
Speaker 2: have this conversation today so that people can have the
Speaker 2: information they need. It is very challenging when you're working, studying,
Speaker 2: living your life to understand everything that's happening around you,
Speaker 2: especially in terms of the political atmosphere, and it is
Speaker 2: important for us to break it down and bite size
Speaker 2: pieces so people can say that I understand that, I
Speaker 2: want to get behind that I want to fight for it.
Speaker 2: A lot of times we say that our communities are
Speaker 2: not really involved in things, and it's literally because they
Speaker 2: don't understand because no one has explained it to them.
Speaker 2: And so I think, you know, getting out there and
Speaker 2: you know and making sure that every Lotty Dottie and everybody,
Speaker 2: as they say, knows exactly what's happening in this moment
Speaker 2: is going to be important, and that's the work of
Speaker 2: the foot soldiers, you know, those of us who knock
Speaker 2: on doors, who talk to folks and getting that type
Speaker 2: of information out there. So I know you also wear
Speaker 2: another hat, counsel woman, of also being a vocal Kentucky
Speaker 2: And I'm sure you all are already working on this,
Speaker 2: but I feel like what people who are listening can
Speaker 2: do is to get the information that they need to
Speaker 2: go push it out into the corners of the city.
Speaker 2: So talk about that. But I want to make sure
Speaker 2: Representative Iran that you are able to come back and
Speaker 2: really briefly before you go today. This is Louisville, but
Speaker 2: this issue is not only a Louisville issue. This is
Speaker 2: i'm sure all of Kentucky, and we need to consent
Speaker 2: to decree in America in general over all, the police departments,
Speaker 2: all of that, right, we need all.
Speaker 1: Of it, all of them.
Speaker 2: So I want you to talk about what do you
Speaker 2: see in terms of the importance of this for the
Speaker 2: entire state of Kentucky, because I'm sure there are other
Speaker 2: pockets that are under your purview. Who have similar issues
Speaker 2: that are not being addressed. So one first, we'll go
Speaker 2: with you, Shamika, and then Katura.
Speaker 5: Thank you for that, and I answer you and my
Speaker 5: song questions. That is exactly it. The community organizing has
Speaker 5: to happen no matter what three sixty five, whether somebody
Speaker 5: is running or not. The awareness to making this work
Speaker 5: digestible in different levels and for people to understand their roles.
Speaker 5: I think that there's a lot of things that people
Speaker 5: can do within their discretion that they don't realize they
Speaker 5: can do. And so education that is continuous, that's reciprocated
Speaker 5: is so important through this process and making sure that
Speaker 5: we show up or the good thing is I have
Speaker 5: my counsel role, and then as you said, I have
Speaker 5: the role as the director of an organization that is
Speaker 5: fighting for people to not be incarcerated, to not have
Speaker 5: their rights violated, to be able to meet people where
Speaker 5: they at. And these are people who are directly intacted,
Speaker 5: who are now being asked to be at decision making
Speaker 5: tables at judiciary hearings to be able to articulate their story.
Speaker 5: So they're a storytelling part of this. And I totally
Speaker 5: agree with LENNINGA. Baker on. My distrust is not with
Speaker 5: that part of what Christian Clark and other folks are doing.
Speaker 5: My issue is that we make things, we paint things
Speaker 5: with our current administration for one thing.
Speaker 9: In the media, but if we don't have a.
Speaker 5: Way to hold them accountable locally, then it's just the
Speaker 5: same old thing as we've seen the police police in themselves.
Speaker 5: So one of the other jobs we have to do,
Speaker 5: and I'm hoping that the People's consent decree.
Speaker 9: Adds to it, is keep that fire lit. Keep the
Speaker 9: fire lit because the mayor cares about his name and
Speaker 9: the press because he's working on getting re elected, like
Speaker 9: Nita saying, and election has its consequences as we all
Speaker 9: are still processing and dealing with the most recent elections.
Speaker 9: So I think that we have to be both in
Speaker 9: and we have to know who our allies are and
Speaker 9: work with them. I think the work that you all
Speaker 9: are doing is phenomenal because until freedom can bring that
Speaker 9: national platform, keep that national heat on.
Speaker 5: And I think what Katura is doing is amazing because
Speaker 5: her work and our work with Vocal, we're going into
Speaker 5: the hoods, the hollows, the suburban, the urban, and we're
Speaker 5: talking to people and guess what, It's less about their
Speaker 5: party affiliation, less about the lines that separate them, and
Speaker 5: it's more about these issues. And as you said to me,
Speaker 5: because the same issues people are dealing with in these
Speaker 5: hoods and in these counties where everybody knows everybody, and
Speaker 5: they use the judicial system to further bully the people.
Speaker 5: And so we got to make sure that we're showing
Speaker 5: up for people in every way. So we're going to
Speaker 5: continue the base build, We're going to continue to mobilize,
Speaker 5: We're going to continue to get more people engaged in
Speaker 5: our organization and the other partner organizations. And then we
Speaker 5: also want to push for people to be appointed to
Speaker 5: these seats as commissioners, as being a part of where
Speaker 5: these decisions are being made and where we can push
Speaker 5: people to use their discretion, because a lot of people
Speaker 5: need to be engaged in this work, not just our
Speaker 5: foot soldiers, of course, but sometimes we have people who
Speaker 5: work within the government or within the agencies who can
Speaker 5: lift up their voices and be a.
Speaker 9: Part of this.
Speaker 5: So I think the empowerment to standing with our folks
Speaker 5: when they are making the right decisions, to having their
Speaker 5: back when things are going well, and to build a culture,
Speaker 5: because you talked about culture change earlier, to build a
Speaker 5: culture where people can actually stand on the right side
Speaker 5: of this penimum that we know is moving towards justice
Speaker 5: and feel supported. Because we still operate as a small
Speaker 5: town in Kentucky where they can pick up the phone
Speaker 5: and shut you down, and so people worry about their
Speaker 5: jobs and their housing. So we're trying to find ways
Speaker 5: where people can take a part of this and still
Speaker 5: have a home to go to and still have a
Speaker 5: job to go to. So I'm in it to wherever
Speaker 5: our vocal folks are in it and other organizing groups
Speaker 5: are in it, and I want to be connected to
Speaker 5: what you all are doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good, Shamikha.
Speaker 8: And as you spoke about the hood to the holler
Speaker 8: and the urban and suburban, this police misconduct is happening
Speaker 8: all over the state of Kentucky, and so as you said,
Speaker 8: why is it important that we do this here, It's
Speaker 8: important because we need to send a message across the commonwealth.
Speaker 8: Just last week, there was a family of a white guy,
Speaker 8: I believe his name was Joseph Martin. Believe it's Joey
Speaker 8: or Joseph Martin that his family just fouled a lawsuit
Speaker 8: and they're wanting a federal investigation because their son was
Speaker 8: killed in Marion County, in a smaller county in our state,
Speaker 8: where the police kneeled on the back of his neck
Speaker 8: for over a minute and a half.
Speaker 3: And so when we talk.
Speaker 8: About the misconduct that's happening as it relates to policing,
Speaker 8: it's not just happening in Louisville. It is happening across
Speaker 8: the commonwealth. Here in the Commonwealth, there's been a lot
Speaker 8: of police involved shootings where police have killed and shot
Speaker 8: individuals who were unarmed. And so this is something that
Speaker 8: I believe that if we're able to get that consent
Speaker 8: decree done here in Louisville, then it does in the
Speaker 8: message across the state and it empowers other communities to say,
Speaker 8: you know what, we can speak up and we can
Speaker 8: band together to hold our law enforcement together, because as
Speaker 8: counselwoman just said, it is very difficult when you go
Speaker 8: out in these communities and talk to folks, their business owners,
Speaker 8: they have law practices, they're doctors. Some of them are
Speaker 8: afraid to speak out because depending where they are, people
Speaker 8: will stop patronizing their businesses. But I believe that this
Speaker 8: what this statement says is it doesn't matter if you're black, white,
Speaker 8: from Louisville or you're from the country. We're gonna band
Speaker 8: together and right is right and wrong is wrong. And
Speaker 8: at the end of the day, we want to make
Speaker 8: sure that all Kentuckians that they have justice and they
Speaker 8: are protected and protected from law enforcement, and the law
Speaker 8: enforcement is doing their job, and when they're not doing
Speaker 8: their job, we are going to hold them accountable.
Speaker 3: Amen. I want I just want to say one thing,
Speaker 3: just on a high note. You know, we did see
Speaker 3: a peace of justice in Breonna Taylor's case. You know
Speaker 3: we did.
Speaker 4: We you know we we've been fighting against it and
Speaker 4: it just shows how elections have consequences, how fighting has consequences.
Speaker 4: For four years straight, we did everything possible to bring
Speaker 4: attention to fight. Lenita was the lawyer, We was outside advocating.
Speaker 4: You know, we watched you guys get elected to office
Speaker 4: based off just the fighting and everything that we did
Speaker 4: during that case. So I just want you to I
Speaker 4: need to just speak a little bit about what happened
Speaker 4: in that case and just you know, and give us
Speaker 4: a little bit of hope, a little bit of hope
Speaker 4: and just say what should be the next steps that
Speaker 4: we should be doing.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So, of course, a few weeks ago, Bratt Hankinson was
Speaker 7: found guilty for voilating the civil rights of Breonna Taylor.
Speaker 6: So his sentence and is now in April.
Speaker 7: First, it was gonna be March twelfth, which was, you know,
Speaker 7: on the eve of the anniversary of Brianna's death. But
Speaker 7: I think his lawyers later realized that, hold on, that
Speaker 7: might not so it's in April now.
Speaker 6: But that's okay, Ms Palmer. She was mad, but she's
Speaker 6: okay now.
Speaker 7: He did foul a motion for a new trial, you know,
Speaker 7: as I tell Miss Palmer all the time.
Speaker 6: Like that, he's their defense attorney.
Speaker 7: They have to do it right. I'm not as worried
Speaker 7: about the motion for a new trial. The one thing
Speaker 7: I can say about Judge Jennings is I do feel
Speaker 7: like she did everything within her power to make sure
Speaker 7: that that trial was fair. And so I'm not as
Speaker 7: concerned about a new trial. And she's not going anywhere anytime.
Speaker 7: I'm soon, Judge Jennings. The other two officers, Joshua James
Speaker 7: and cal Meanie, were still waiting on trial dates for them.
Speaker 7: Mike songer An. I always forget Inns name.
Speaker 6: I hate it. But the DOJ prosecutors.
Speaker 7: The good thing about the two prosecutors that we've had
Speaker 7: in this case is they extend beyond any presidential administration.
Speaker 6: They didn't come on when Biden was higher.
Speaker 7: You know, they've been around for ages, and so, you know,
Speaker 7: barring somebody coming in and telling them to get rid
Speaker 7: of these cases, they're going to fight tooth and nail
Speaker 7: to get justice for BROWNA. Taylor's family. And I have
Speaker 7: four faith and trust in those two prosecutors. You know,
Speaker 7: you guys saw the first trial. This trial, we was
Speaker 7: all outside trying to figure out what's going on with elections.
Speaker 7: It was so much going on this time around it,
Speaker 7: and like even I was like, did we really set
Speaker 7: a trial like two weeks before election date or a
Speaker 7: month before election day? But that first trial, you know,
Speaker 7: you got to see them and and and interact with
Speaker 7: with those prosecutors, and you can tell their heart art
Speaker 7: that it is for fighting a system of corruption within
Speaker 7: police departments and get rid of.
Speaker 6: Those civil rights violations. And so I do have faith
Speaker 6: in those two.
Speaker 2: We were fighting and we were in an election during
Speaker 2: the first trial as well. Because that's when we spent
Speaker 2: Daniel Cameron's asked and sentence.
Speaker 5: Exact Cameron Judge just always.
Speaker 1: It's never there is no fight that we're.
Speaker 2: Involved in that's easy or simple, or the cake will
Speaker 2: always an added layer. I forgot about that it was
Speaker 2: doing it was there an election. So but I want
Speaker 2: to say thank you to all of you, and and
Speaker 2: my son has said that we have wins.
Speaker 6: I got one thing though, before you go.
Speaker 7: So next Tuesday, the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division,
Speaker 7: we talked about Tamika Palmer, Brianna's mom.
Speaker 6: She is going to be in Washington, d C. With
Speaker 6: Kristin Clark.
Speaker 7: This year marks thirty years of Patterns in Practice the
Speaker 7: Civil Rights Department Division, Department of Justice being able to
Speaker 7: pursue civil rights remedies for patterns in practice as valation.
Speaker 6: So they have a panel coming up next Tuesday.
Speaker 7: Ms Palmer is going to be there as a representative
Speaker 7: of a family who's been impacted. As you heard, representative
Speaker 7: or Senator elected. I don't know which one.
Speaker 5: I like.
Speaker 6: We're going to representative senator elect give a.
Speaker 5: Hearing.
Speaker 7: You heard her talk about one of the valations that
Speaker 7: they found was getting improper search warrant so that the
Speaker 7: patterns in practice definitely led to Brianna's murder.
Speaker 6: And so she's going to be up there with.
Speaker 7: Kristin Clark and some other Derek Johnson's one of the panelists.
Speaker 7: So that's going on next Tuesday, December third. And the
Speaker 7: phone calls still work because when we was doing a
Speaker 7: number no Knock, some of my friends that were all
Speaker 7: Metro Council call and it was like, I'm not already
Speaker 7: voted for it. Can you please tell them to stop
Speaker 7: calling me. I'm like, now they're calling everybody.
Speaker 1: I can't you know, So anything about that, that's all right.
Speaker 2: You get a call too, because the elected officials, from
Speaker 2: the morning to the night, things can shift. So we
Speaker 2: just get fresh on because when those donors start calling things,
Speaker 2: people start getting a little shaky, which is why I
Speaker 2: appreciate that the two elected officials that we have here
Speaker 2: are two that.
Speaker 1: Have taken the hard way.
Speaker 2: It's the steps up the backside of the building, and
Speaker 2: you know you might have to take the fire escape also,
Speaker 2: which means that you're not taking the money from all
Speaker 2: the big corporations and the special interest groups. You know,
Speaker 2: you out here bootstraps like real knee and dollars and
Speaker 2: cents from every single person who believes in justice, who
Speaker 2: believes in a fair process in terms of you know,
Speaker 2: our government and elections and all of that, and you know,
Speaker 2: and I just think, you know, it's the same for us.
Speaker 2: And until freedom, we could be taking money from corporations.
Speaker 2: And you know, we got we have friends, they got
Speaker 2: a lot of money. They would love to give us money,
Speaker 2: but they got that's gonna come with conditions. It's gonna
Speaker 2: come with people expecting certain things. So we are out here.
Speaker 2: Sometimes the bank account has the money for payroll, and
Speaker 2: sometimes it's real low, and we're trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, we maintain our integrity,
Speaker 2: and certainly the two of you have done that. And
Speaker 2: of course Lanita won't even take certain people's cases, So
Speaker 2: that's an I'm gonna I'm gonna talk to her because
Speaker 2: Lania needs to be the one to go get rich,
Speaker 2: don't worry about not taking certain people's money so the
Speaker 2: rest of us can have something.
Speaker 1: We love y'all so much.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be in Kentucky soon, and this particular effort,
Speaker 2: it feels like we have days to push as hard
Speaker 2: as possible. So let's talk offline and figure out what
Speaker 2: that looks like and continue to to and and to
Speaker 2: activate our base.
Speaker 1: We have a base. We built a base.
Speaker 2: In Kentucky across the state of people who just need
Speaker 2: to know what to do, and we need to give
Speaker 2: them that and get them to work.
Speaker 1: Y'all, Love you, y'all.
Speaker 2: Congratulations, Congratulations again.
Speaker 4: By y'all.
Speaker 2: Listen, it's a it's a fight, it's a struggle. It's
Speaker 2: it's we like this.
Speaker 3: We're always in the trenches, man, that's what we do.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: So shout out to Katura, I mean, representatives Paris, right,
Speaker 4: councilwoman in shout out to Esquire. So all the work
Speaker 4: we've done, man, Like you said, we built a real
Speaker 4: family in Kentucky. Now, I wanted to make sure that
Speaker 4: we talked about that little piece of justice that we got.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 4: For all those years, you know, there was tears, there
Speaker 4: was there was tear gas.
Speaker 3: You know, there was a lot of things that was lost.
Speaker 4: There was we lost other people during that that lost
Speaker 4: their life, you know, during those times. So I just
Speaker 4: want to say that when we fight, we win, man.
Speaker 4: We don't you know, we don't always win. But when
Speaker 4: we fight, you know, we actually any because because we fought,
Speaker 4: you know, so I just want us to understand. People say, oh,
Speaker 4: what you marched for?
Speaker 3: What you doing that for?
Speaker 4: We marched so that we could see some justice for
Speaker 4: Breonna Taylor and the actually have we marched so we
Speaker 4: can make sure that.
Speaker 3: Daniel Cameron then become the governor.
Speaker 4: These are things that we launched for, and we understand
Speaker 4: when we make our voices loud and we show our
Speaker 4: unity and we are intentional about things, those things actually happen.
Speaker 2: So absolutely, absolutely, what don't you get today, sir?
Speaker 3: What don't not get today?
Speaker 4: And it's it's it's pretty much simple because it goes
Speaker 4: along with this. You know, we're talking about descent decrees
Speaker 4: and Patterson practices, and we're talking about all these laws
Speaker 4: that can be activated and things that need to be activated,
Speaker 4: and then we.
Speaker 3: Talk about an election.
Speaker 4: And what I don't get right is we we've been
Speaker 4: very intentional about letting people understand that for us, it
Speaker 4: wasn't November seventh or no, it was November eighth, it
Speaker 4: was the day after.
Speaker 1: No, it's November.
Speaker 2: The election was it was November six of it was
Speaker 2: November fifth, y'all people all wrong.
Speaker 5: You A.
Speaker 4: I was just I don't even remember it, but I
Speaker 4: just know we made We were very vocal about saying that.
Speaker 4: For us, it was the day after election that we
Speaker 4: really needed to start organizing. And what I don't get
Speaker 4: is how there is this narrative and there's this loud
Speaker 4: people screaming, well, the the election is open now, won't
Speaker 4: y'all just get over it? You know Trump is the president,
Speaker 4: that's it.
Speaker 3: Just move on.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 3: I don't get what that means.
Speaker 4: I don't get why people don't understand that there's the process.
Speaker 4: You elect the president. Now, you hold the president accountable.
Speaker 4: Now you are very critical. Now you make sure the
Speaker 4: things that needed to get that you want to happen
Speaker 4: in your community happen. It's not okay, we wanted a
Speaker 4: different candidate. Our candidate loss, so we don't work anymore. Like,
Speaker 4: I don't even understand why people think that's how it goes.
Speaker 3: Every time I have a conversation or you post something about.
Speaker 4: Okay, these are the people that you know the president
Speaker 4: elect is putting in his cabinet, and they.
Speaker 3: Oh, y'all just saw losing.
Speaker 4: No, we want you to understand the process We want
Speaker 4: you to understand who the hold accountable for certain things
Speaker 4: inside our communities, things that's going on inside, laws that
Speaker 4: we need to be passed, laws that haven't been passed.
Speaker 4: We want everybody to be aware. We're not supposed to
Speaker 4: just go to sleep. The election is over and we
Speaker 4: just go to bed, because no, it doesn't work like that.
Speaker 4: So I really don't get why people think that now
Speaker 4: because Trump is a has been elected president and he
Speaker 4: wasn't the person that we wanted to be elected president,
Speaker 4: that we're supposed to just sail off into the sunset
Speaker 4: and be quiet for four years. I just don't understand that.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't have anything to add to that.
Speaker 1: It is what it is.
Speaker 2: I've never not been fighting against elected officials, I mean literally,
Speaker 2: even when they're my friends.
Speaker 3: This is what I told him, I said, I'm not
Speaker 3: for an opponent.
Speaker 2: I you know, I supported Mayor Deblasio's him becoming mayor
Speaker 2: in New York City.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't think, I don't think
Speaker 1: I endorsed him.
Speaker 2: I can't remember at this point, but I do know
Speaker 2: that while Mayor Deblasio was mayor, especially in the beginning,
Speaker 2: I was a supporter of his because I knew what
Speaker 2: he had committed to. He was out there, he was
Speaker 2: protesting with us against stopping frisk. He was extremely vocal
Speaker 2: about reform dealing with policing in New York City. He
Speaker 2: also was very supportive of the community violence intervention community.
Speaker 2: He was one to give a number of dollars, millions
Speaker 2: of dollars in his budget to community violence intervention advocates
Speaker 2: and grassroots workers and leaders across the city. And so
Speaker 2: I supported that as soon as he started to waiver
Speaker 2: because the police turned their backs on him, and he
Speaker 2: had a number of challenges in terms of dealing with
Speaker 2: specifically with police abuse, and then there were other issues.
Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to relitigate the Deblasio.
Speaker 1: Time, but you know, we do know that while he.
Speaker 2: Was mayor, Daniel Pantaleo, which is the officer who killed
Speaker 2: Eric Garner, he the mayor's response to that and the
Speaker 2: way he handled the situation, and the fact that his
Speaker 2: own police department refused to move forward with very significant
Speaker 2: and serious accountability measures for Daniel Pantaleo, we said, well,
Speaker 2: the nice uh what do you call it?
Speaker 6: The nice?
Speaker 2: Oh damn, what is it called? The honeymoon period is on,
Speaker 2: and we went to fighting him and will continue to
Speaker 2: do so with anybody. Eric Adams, it doesn't matter who
Speaker 2: it is. Joe Biden has also been a recipient of
Speaker 2: US protesting being out there. I intended to continue to
Speaker 2: do that with Vice Presid Harris, and we're gonna do
Speaker 2: it under Donald Trump. The stakes are higher, the ability
Speaker 2: for a Trump to target our community and target us specifically.
Speaker 2: We already know that that is in fact a if
Speaker 2: no one wants to go box when you are X
Speaker 2: amount of height and X amount of weight and you're
Speaker 2: gonna go take on the heavyweight champion of the world,
Speaker 2: knowing that that is not somebody who you actually have
Speaker 2: the ability to fight and win, that's stupid.
Speaker 1: If you do that, something is wrong with you.
Speaker 2: It And I'm not saying that you shouldn't take on
Speaker 2: big opponents, but for me, every single time we fight,
Speaker 2: if you're fighting against government officials and people in positions.
Speaker 1: Of power, it's a huge fight.
Speaker 2: It is it is significant, but you can still choose
Speaker 2: within something that is more likely for you to be
Speaker 2: able to win. And so that's what we all. It's said,
Speaker 2: but we know we would have to fight anybody who is.
Speaker 1: In uh, you know, in in Washington. And it's not
Speaker 1: just Washington. It's Washington.
Speaker 2: We're now here, it's in Kentucky, it's in Albany, New York.
Speaker 1: It's in every single place.
Speaker 2: Across this country where we as a people feel oppressed
Speaker 2: and feel that we are lacking the types of resources
Speaker 2: that we need in order to have successful communities.
Speaker 1: So it is what it is.
Speaker 3: Fight.
Speaker 4: We're gonna fight, and we ain't gonna never stop fighting.
Speaker 4: We're gonna keep on fighting and we're gonna fight, fight,
Speaker 4: fight until then, Please, good night.
Speaker 3: Good night man.
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