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Speaker 1: Debate Day, Everybody, Thursday, June twenty, seventh edition of The

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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck Show kicks off. Right now. We are

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Speaker 1: hours away from the big night that we've been preparing

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Speaker 1: for for weeks. Now. We know that Donald Trump will

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Speaker 1: be squaring off with Joe Biden on stage. Will Biden

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Speaker 1: be able to turn around his disastrous numbers? Will he

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Speaker 1: be able to speak in intelligible sentences? Will he manage

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Speaker 1: There are big questions tonight in this presidential debate that

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Speaker 1: we will get answers to one way or another. A

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Speaker 1: number of polls coming in, new data for us to

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Speaker 1: look through about how things are going for Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: at this point, which were out to dive into it.

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Speaker 1: Also tell you our friend Alex Berenson will be joining

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Speaker 1: us later on in the program. I know that it

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Speaker 1: was disappointing for so many of us the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: decision on and I know it was a standing issue.

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Speaker 1: But the standing issue effectively means that for the foreseeable

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Speaker 1: the government's lesson is just make sure you suppress and

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Speaker 1: censor speech a lot and do it behind closed doors,

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Speaker 1: and we can't figure out who did it, so that

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Speaker 1: nothing happens. But Berenson has also got a suit that

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Speaker 1: is making its way through the courts. He'll talk to

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Speaker 1: us about that that he thinks he has the standing

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Speaker 1: issue covered, so we might get clarity on that sooner

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Speaker 1: than many would have anticipated. So everything right now though,

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Speaker 1: in terms of the news of the day focused in

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Speaker 1: on the Biden debate with Trump, and we've got a

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Speaker 1: few Supreme Court decisions that came down today. Nothing earth

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Speaker 1: chattering will bring you up to speed on those. Clay

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Speaker 1: can do the legal legal thing and will break down

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Speaker 1: what those rulings were, but nothing that really makes anybody,

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Speaker 1: you know, jump out of bed this morning. Nothing too

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Speaker 1: important really, which means that the big decision probably coming

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Speaker 1: down tomorrow on the issue of presidential immunity, although it

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Speaker 1: could be delayed until next week. If it comes down, Clay,

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Speaker 1: I'll be very I'll be very sad, although that will

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Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, there'll be some kind of

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Speaker 1: synchronicity to that, you know, I'm doing my judicial service

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Speaker 1: while the judiciary decides to drop a decision that could

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Speaker 1: change the election. All right, let's start with this big

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Speaker 1: stuff though the state of play going into the debate tonight,

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Speaker 1: we'll dive into more of the policies. We also want

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Speaker 1: to hear from all of you on this stuff, so

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Speaker 1: be sure you're calling in and emailing us on the

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Speaker 1: VIP email address. The reality, Clay is that Nate Silver

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Speaker 1: of five twenty eight fame of New York Times stats

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Speaker 1: guy formerly. He says that Trump has got a sixty

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Speaker 1: five point seven percent chance of winning right now, so

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Speaker 1: a solid odds on favorite to win the presidential election.

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Speaker 1: New New York Times Siena poll has Trump up three

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Speaker 1: among likely voters on the eve of this or on

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Speaker 1: the basically day of the debate. And I think that

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Speaker 1: before we dive too far into the numbers and how

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Speaker 1: things can change and all of that. Trump has never

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Speaker 1: led before like this, not in twenty sixteen, not in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. He is in a better position by the

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Speaker 1: in his favor right now. How can the Biden regime

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Speaker 1: not be freaking out at this point? They should be.

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Speaker 2: And here is my big thesis, as we get ready

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna matter.

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Speaker 2: And I understand everybody out there who is saying, oh

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Speaker 2: my goodness, this unless Biden falls so flat on his face,

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Speaker 2: even metaphorically. I think what's going to happen is we're

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Speaker 2: all going to come in tomorrow and we're gonna be

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Speaker 2: talking about the debate with you for three hours, and

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Speaker 2: you're all gonna head out for your July fourth holiday

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Speaker 2: over the weekend, and you're gonna be talking with all

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Speaker 1: Nothing's gonna change.

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Speaker 2: Every I think everybody has made up their mind already

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Speaker 2: and then you had well, when Trump gets convicted these

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Speaker 1: Nothing happened. And then you have the Hunter Biden conviction.

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Speaker 2: their minds about both of these guys. That's my thesis. Now,

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Speaker 2: what do you think as we sit here on debate day? Finally,

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Speaker 2: I love your cynicism. I feel like I'm rubbing off

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Speaker 2: I think everyone watches it for.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit like watching various forms of car racing,

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Speaker 1: what would be the risk A blunder from Biden on

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Speaker 1: But I don't think that you're going to have a

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Speaker 1: That you're at a point where we have I think

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Speaker 1: Why I think that's different than in the past is

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Speaker 1: So it's not like we're in the seventies or the

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Speaker 1: You know, you'd have to be watching certain things on

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Speaker 1: And that's why Also everyone's like, oh, what if they

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Speaker 1: give Biden the question, we all know what the questions

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Speaker 1: You know, he does this. He has these these these

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Speaker 1: So you know, I don't expect this to be knockout

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Speaker 3: I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I think that people will come away from this there's

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Speaker 1: both sides will declare victory, and it does raise for me.

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Speaker 1: You know, do presidential debates matter? I mean, look thevenor

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Speaker 1: of Arizona, Katie Hobbs, she just said, I'm not even debating,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm just gonna win. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to debate, thanks a lot, and it worked. And Trump

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Speaker 1: thanks a lot, and it worked. So do debates really matter?

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Speaker 2: I think they matter if you don't know very much,

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Speaker 2: if we didn't have two incumbents effectively running. I think

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Speaker 2: it would matter, but forty percent of America is going

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because this is kind of like the super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl and they leave knowing what happened, and

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Speaker 2: even if you're a real fan of a team, if

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Speaker 2: It's interesting right the way that fans And really, if

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Speaker 2: And so I think you can take like eighty percent

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Speaker 1: I also think that this is likely to devolve very

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Speaker 1: rapidly into real nastiness because here's the thing. I think

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Speaker 1: Though Joe Biden has nothing to do with me. Yeah right, please,

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Speaker 1: Like we're not all children. We know what's going on here.

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Speaker 2: It's a good It's a good point. When do you

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Speaker 2: So does he deserve the opportunity to get four more

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Speaker 2: synthesizes all of the all of the issues that Biden

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Speaker 2: has failed on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, appealing to the immediate self interest of the American

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Speaker 1: people and of the American voter who has not yet

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Speaker 1: decided who they're going to vote for me, And that's

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Speaker 1: really if you're looking to get something out of this

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Speaker 1: that helps with the prospect of a Trump victory, I

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Speaker 1: think that's the strategy. So you and I see that

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Speaker 1: largely the same way. One component of this that I

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Speaker 1: also think is going to be interesting, you know, Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: He's been a he's a he's a guy who shouts.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of a bully and a jerk. That's that's

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Speaker 1: well established for decades now. But I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: his best his best strategy, and whatever I'm saying is

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Speaker 1: he's gonna say, oh, you're a convicted felon, and oh

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Speaker 1: you're a threat to democracy and all this stuff. But

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Speaker 1: remember Biden ran on this whole restoring normalcy, you know,

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Speaker 1: a moderate Democrat, you know unity, he ran under youth.

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Speaker 1: If he rolls up the sleeves and tries to turn

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Speaker 1: this into a real knife fight on stage one to

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Speaker 1: which I think is the the approach he's being pushed

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Speaker 1: to take by a lot of people, one that kind

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Speaker 1: of undermines Biden one point zero for sure, or whatever

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Speaker 1: you want to call what he was in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: and two. I've never seen somebody get into a get

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Speaker 1: into a mud wrestling contest with Trump and not just

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Speaker 1: get schooled. I've never seen, never seen it happen. This

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Speaker 1: is I do wonder on the.

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Speaker 2: Logistics or sort of the programmatic aspects of this debate.

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Speaker 2: They say that they will turn off the microphone when

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Speaker 2: it is not the other person's chance to speak. If

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Speaker 2: that is true, then you're likely to have a lot

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Speaker 2: of moments where both sides are trying to talk, but

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Speaker 2: you can't really hear both sides. And I don't know

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Speaker 2: that we've ever had a situation like this before where

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Speaker 2: in theory, again, think about how that's going to play out,

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Speaker 2: you can only hear one person at a time, So

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Speaker 2: that would seem to make the cross talk really kind

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Speaker 2: of body blow elements of each other more difficult to

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Speaker 2: actually occur. And I think that probably benefits Biden because

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Speaker 2: his train of thought gets lost and he's more likely,

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Speaker 2: I think, to get rattled in an interactive situation than

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Speaker 2: Trump will.

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 2: So I think the structural aspects of this may make

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Speaker 2: this debate sound and feel different than past debates where

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Speaker 2: everybody just kind of powers through all of their opportunity

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Speaker 2: to speak and you get a lot of you don't

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Speaker 2: get a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of cross talk. And in the same way that a

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Speaker 1: lot of people have made the argument, I think, remember,

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Speaker 1: you've made it too, and I think it's a sound

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Speaker 1: one that as much as we all enjoyed the Trump

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Speaker 1: Twitter era, him not being on Twitter has probably because

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Speaker 1: a lot of times it would feed into Democrat narratives

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Speaker 1: in the news media, and then they would focus on,

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Speaker 1: you know, some aspect of what he said, not even

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Speaker 1: what Trump was trying to say, but you know, they

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Speaker 1: would focus on he made fun of somebody for being

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Speaker 1: ugly or whatever, and you know, as Trump does, and

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Speaker 1: that would become the news cycle for twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: I think that this time around, there's a very good

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Speaker 1: chance that Trump's inability, like the structure of this debate,

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Speaker 1: the inability to do a lot of cross talk and

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Speaker 1: a lot of interrupting. I think that's probably a Trump's benefit.

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Speaker 1: As much as I think he would love to just

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Speaker 1: mix it up and everything, I think that the more

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Speaker 1: people here Biden, the weaker Biden's case sounds like, I

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Speaker 1: would think it will end up sounding. And beyond that,

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Speaker 1: I think that if you have Trump just tone, just

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Speaker 1: just tuned down a little bit, you know, from eleven

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Speaker 1: to like a nine on the dial, is probably for

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Speaker 1: the best.

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Speaker 2: The other thing, I would say Trump's leading. I don't

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Speaker 2: know that we've ever seen a Trump presidential debate when

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Speaker 2: he's been in the house money position. He was trailing Hillary,

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Speaker 2: he was trailing Biden, He's never entered a debate as

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Speaker 2: the guy that's in the lead in the polls. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: the best and most magnanimous version of Trump, it appears

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Speaker 2: to me, is when he's in.

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Speaker 1: The money, so to speak.

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Speaker 2: I think we might get a very presidential version of

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Speaker 2: Trump because he doesn't feel like he's scrambling and trying

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Speaker 2: to make up a deficit. Just to think about in

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Speaker 2: the back of your mind, he's winning.

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Speaker 1: And if you're.

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Speaker 2: Winning, you don't have to take big risks, and you

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Speaker 2: don't have to take big swings.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that also Trump, the warm charming Trump, which

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Speaker 1: is a very real thing that anybody who's met him,

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Speaker 1: knows him, even interviewed him, has experienced warm charming Trump

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Speaker 1: up there, diffuses a little bit or deflects some of

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Speaker 1: the scurriless. You know, you're a convicted fellon attacks.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: If he's the guy who's like, hey, America, we all

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Speaker 1: remember I did a great job. It was amazing. You

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Speaker 1: remember this guy stinks at his job. Let's just make things.

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Speaker 1: Let's make America great again. Let's make it better for everybody.

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Speaker 1: And while if Biden tries to make it into this,

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Speaker 1: you're a convicted I mean convicted felling, convicted of what.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I've never heard of someone being a convicted

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Speaker 1: felon before where you can't just say what exactly is

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Speaker 1: he convicted of, Like there's not a crime to even site,

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Speaker 1: which I think tells you everything you need to know

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Speaker 1: about the convicted felon. It's business records misdemeanor, business records case.

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Speaker 1: That's what he's convicted of. Wow.

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Speaker 2: And also to your point, Buck, there are two. Remember

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Speaker 2: it's a lot of times not the punch, it's the CounterPunch.

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Speaker 2: There's two pretty good comebacks on convicted felon. Your son's

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Speaker 2: a convicted felon of actual crimes is a real CounterPunch.

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Speaker 2: The other one is Trump can say to Biden, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the Department of Justice charged me with crimes because they

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Speaker 2: believe my brain works and they're afraid of what I

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Speaker 2: might do in office. Your own Department of Justice said

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Speaker 2: that your brain doesn't work well enough to be charged

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Speaker 2: with crimes, which you clearly committed to me. Those are

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Speaker 2: really devastating counterpunches that Biden opens himself up to if

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Speaker 2: he goes after the conviction, not to mention, if he's

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Speaker 2: bragging about the convicted felon. It also opens the door

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Speaker 1: phone calls. Let's do it. People want to weigh in.

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Speaker 2: Yes, By the way, I'm gonna be drinking some Crockett

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden and get too tired staying up at nine o'clock.

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Speaker 2: What this is going to go from nine to ten

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Speaker 2: thirty Eastern? I think on the East coast for everybody

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Speaker 2: out there, that's right, Matt in Massachusetts. What you got

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Speaker 2: for us?

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Speaker 5: Hey, how you doing?

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Speaker 1: We're great, fantastic, awesome.

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Speaker 5: So my advice would have to be, I know it's

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Speaker 5: hard to for him to do that because he's been

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Speaker 5: through a lot with everything that hasten going on over

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Speaker 5: the years, but just to not focus on the past,

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Speaker 5: just get right down to brass tacks and just see

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Speaker 5: very thorough and answer the questions and just work on

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Speaker 5: moving forward from this point and again I know that's

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Speaker 5: tough because he's been through a lot, you know, one

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Speaker 5: thing after another. And I just think that's so important

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Speaker 5: just to keep engaged and listening to what he has

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Speaker 5: to say and to get right down to what this

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Speaker 5: country needs.

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Speaker 1: If that makes sense. No, I think that does make sense.

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Speaker 2: And again, I do think we may get a super

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Speaker 2: confident I'm kicking ass Trump. You ever sit down at

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Speaker 2: the blackjack table and win the first few hands. When

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Speaker 2: you sit down at the table, you play a lot

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Speaker 2: more relaxed. After that, you sit down and you've already

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Speaker 2: lost several hundred dollars. You're a little bit frenzied. You're frenetic.

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Speaker 2: You're trying to make up what you already lost. We

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Speaker 2: haven't seen house money Trump in a debate, and Buck,

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Speaker 2: you know, house money Trump is a hey, let me

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Speaker 2: give you some milkshakes. Hey, America's great. I want everybody

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Speaker 2: to get rich. Look at the view from this property.

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Speaker 2: This is the greatest hotel that's ever existed. House Money

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Speaker 2: Trump is actually really, really likable, and I think that

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Speaker 2: could surprise people.

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Speaker 1: Jim in North Carolina, what do you think?

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Speaker 6: Hey, Hey, Clay, Yeah, this is Jim. Hey, I just

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Speaker 6: want to tell you Trump needs to resist the urge

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Speaker 6: to go for the jugular, the knockout just look presidential.

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Speaker 6: It's gonna take a lot of restraint to do that,

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Speaker 6: but lots of small hits comparing their administrations and related

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Speaker 6: policy effects. Maybe a couple of light hits at Hunter,

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Speaker 6: whom Joe is so proud of. I don't know why,

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Speaker 6: and just out of death by thousand cuts is the idea, right.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a real chance. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for calling in. There's a real chance. I think that

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Speaker 1: if Trump knocks them upside, they head too much, so

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Speaker 1: to speak, it'll look a little bit like elder abuse,

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Speaker 1: even though they're close to the same age.

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Speaker 2: I think the best possible outcome is Trump wins a

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Speaker 2: close debate, but Biden.

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Speaker 1: Stays in the race.

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Speaker 2: My concern is if Trump comes out and Tyson's him,

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Speaker 2: if he like Tyson's him, Given the fact that Biden's

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Speaker 2: already behind, I think there's going to be a panic

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Speaker 2: setting in that is hard to get away from in

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Speaker 2: the Democrat Party. Daniel in Ohio, let me say another

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Speaker 2: thing here too. I think buck Trump could actually be

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Speaker 2: really kind and stun people on the Hunter front because

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Speaker 2: he said a couple of times. My brother Fred had

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Speaker 2: major addiction issues. I don't wish them upon anybody. I'm

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Speaker 2: not talking about I'm talking as if I'm Trump. I

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Speaker 2: wish that your son had no addiction issues. We've dealt

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Speaker 2: with that in our family. Lots of Americans have too.

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Speaker 2: But we're not talking about addiction here. We're talking about

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Speaker 2: your son selling American assets for money, which is the problem.

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Speaker 1: I think if Trump.

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Speaker 2: Is actually states unlike just a little bit, I think

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Speaker 2: it will stun people. And again, hou's money. Trump, think

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Speaker 2: about that. We come back. Also, I don't think we've

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Speaker 2: talked about enough in the media as a whole. And

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Speaker 2: also on this show, how strange it is that Biden

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Speaker 2: has gone totally dark for seven days. He's the president

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Speaker 2: of the United States. They send him off to Camp David.

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Speaker 2: We haven't even seen him. What's actually going on?

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Speaker 1: Hey, they got to put him in the cryogenesis tank

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Speaker 1: for a few days to make sure the amphetamines in

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Speaker 1: his system don't make his heart go too fast. You know,

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Speaker 1: science