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Speaker 1: but not as nearly economically important. If that's the response there,

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Speaker 1: I mean, just consider what it would mean then for

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Speaker 1: the Chinese was very eye opening and also in terms

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Speaker 1: of what inferior military can inflict whenever you're literally fighting

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Speaker 1: for your life, and especially with Western support. So what

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Speaker 1: happened very recently in Uzbekistan at this conference where both

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Speaker 1: Chinese President Shishinping and the Range Remodi of India were

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Speaker 1: was a very stiff arm from both countries publicly towards Putin.

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Speaker 1: And that is a genuinely shocking event because it just

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Speaker 1: shows you how isolated Russia is, even with ostensible allies,

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Speaker 1: or in the case of India, not an ally but

441
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Speaker 1: a non aligned country who's like, we're in it for ourselves.

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Speaker 1: They were really trying to be neutral. They're like, look,

443
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Speaker 1: you know, we're friends with this is what they did

444
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Speaker 1: during the Cold War. They're like, yeah, look we'll play

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Speaker 1: with the Ovia Union, play with They're like, who's going

446
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Speaker 1: to pay us more? Which, you know, how can you

447
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Speaker 1: blame them? All? Right, let's put this up there on

448
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Speaker 1: the screen. So from the Financial Times, what a lot

449
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Speaker 1: of people are viewing is that the Ji and Mody

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Speaker 1: made clear at this conference that while they'll appear with Putin,

451
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Speaker 1: they are quote not standing with Putin. Mody's comments were

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Speaker 1: the most significant whenever he was with Putin. He specifically

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Speaker 1: said in Hindi, which was then translated directly, and by

454
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Speaker 1: the way, they know exactly what they are saying. This

455
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Speaker 1: is the direct English translation from the Indian government. Today's

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Speaker 1: era is not an era of war. He specifically told

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Speaker 1: that to Putin in the bilateral meeting. That was a

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Speaker 1: in diplomatic speak, that's like a backhand across the face,

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Speaker 1: that's like, I don't support what you're doing. I want

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Speaker 1: this war to end as soon as possible. He's like, yeah,

461
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Speaker 1: I'll take your oil at a cheap discount and I'll

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Speaker 1: sit down with you because you send me a lot

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Speaker 1: of oil. But don't think for a second that I'm

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Speaker 1: like supporting what exactly you're doing here in Ukraine. It's

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Speaker 1: very much I'm in this for myself. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to listen to some of the Western finger wagging at me.

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Speaker 1: But don't think that I'm just sitting here and supporting

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Speaker 1: exactly what you're doing there. Putin was a little bit

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Speaker 1: caught off guard because here's what he said. He said,

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Speaker 1: we will do our best to stop this as soon

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Speaker 1: as possible. With the concerns that you constantly express, meaning

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Speaker 1: also that it appears that Mody has been saying this

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Speaker 1: to Putin behind the scenes now for some time. He

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Speaker 1: was aware of this exactly, not the first time that

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Speaker 1: this was made, and that also came after Putin acknowledged

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Speaker 1: She's quote concerns. So what happened there is that Shishingping

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Speaker 1: expressed again. Remember this is very specific diplomatic language. Whenever

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Speaker 1: you listen to the Chinese, they pick every single word

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Speaker 1: extraordinary carefully. They know exactly what they're doing. And with

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Speaker 1: this in particular, Sheishingping express quote concerns over the geopolitical

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Speaker 1: environment and the fallout from Ukraine. So if to have

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Speaker 1: both those leaders say that to the face of the

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Speaker 1: Russian president, who ostensibly, you know, been cast in the

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Speaker 1: Western media's allies, but making very clear they're like, yeah, look,

485
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Speaker 1: well buy the oil and you know we're not going

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Speaker 1: to go as far as the West, but we are

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Speaker 1: not supporting what you're doing here. That's very important. I

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Speaker 1: mean that shows you how geopolitically isolated they don't have

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Speaker 1: real steadfast allies in the way that you know, acts

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Speaker 1: as powers and others in the past would have. So

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Speaker 1: it's a big lesson well, and with India, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense because you've got two things going on.

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Speaker 1: First of all, you have what we're humiliating defeats for

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Speaker 1: Russia on the battlefield. So they're looking at this and

495
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Speaker 1: they're going, oh, you are not winning. In fact, you're losing,

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Speaker 1: and this looks bad for you know, for China. They're like,

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Speaker 1: this looks bad for US. India is like, I don't

498
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Speaker 1: really know if I want to be on your side

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Speaker 1: because this doesn't look like it's going all that well.

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Speaker 1: But probably more importantly, you know, India has obviously developed

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Speaker 1: incredibly rapidly and made a lot of gains in terms

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Speaker 1: of their economy, but this is still a nation that

503
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Speaker 1: has a lot of poor people who you know are

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Speaker 1: very sensitive to food prices for lots of prices all

505
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Speaker 1: of these things, and so food prices have spiked and

506
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Speaker 1: you know, they are really hurting because of that. So

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Speaker 1: I think they're also looking out for their interest in

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Speaker 1: it shows that they don't really buy what Putin has

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Speaker 1: been trying to sell. Is just like you know, the

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Speaker 1: escalation food prices as and energy prices, that this is

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Speaker 1: all just because of the Western response and India is

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Speaker 1: not really buying that line obviously. Listen, we've talked about

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Speaker 1: like the Western response is definitely part of that, but

514
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Speaker 1: the original sinner or is Russia invading Ukraine. So MODI

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Speaker 1: not buying that. They say in this article that he

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Speaker 1: didn't raise any quote contentious issues around Ukraine's sovereignty or

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Speaker 1: territorial integrity, but rather focused on issues around the war's

518
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Speaker 1: impact on areas such as food security, fuel, and fertilizer supplies.

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Speaker 1: The increase in food costs has been devastating around the world.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I really like you cannot possibly overstate the

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Speaker 1: impact of the increase in grain prices, bread prices, and

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Speaker 1: also fertilizer. Like the difficulty of obtaining sufficient fertilizer really

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Speaker 1: makes it difficult for these countries not only in the

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Speaker 1: short term, but for you know, seasons and seasons to come.

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Speaker 1: So patients seeming to run thin with some of the

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Speaker 1: major countries that have kind of, if not been allies

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Speaker 1: of Russia, have been happy to sort of support them

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Speaker 1: in certain ways that have been critical. They're telling them basically,

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Speaker 1: you're kind of unborrowed time here, right, and also for

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Speaker 1: Putin to acknowledge it, I mean, he opened his speech

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Speaker 1: with Shishinpin being like, we understand your questions and concerns,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like we will answer them here at

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Speaker 1: this meeting. Look, he's on the back foot, you know,

534
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Speaker 1: even with his so called allies in the middle of Samarkhan,

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Speaker 1: he's getting not smacked around, but the great powers of Asia,

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Speaker 1: India and China making it clear we are not one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent behind you, Like, just because we're not with

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Speaker 1: the West does not mean we're with you. So to

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Speaker 1: have that situation for him, it's a big, big problem,

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Speaker 1: all right, And then let's move on to the final

541
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Speaker 1: part here breaking out of the sixty minutes interview that

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Speaker 1: just happened last night. So well, first of all, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Russians, in terms of what's happening on the ground,

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Speaker 1: the Ukrainian offensive continues to go forward, not nearly at

545
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Speaker 1: the same lightning pace. At the same time, however, Russia

546
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Speaker 1: is closing in actually on a critical city in the

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Speaker 1: Ukrainian East, so this is a little bit further east

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Speaker 1: of where the Ukrainian offensive had been continue also to

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00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: attack in that eastern region despite the setbacks, and making

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Speaker 1: it clear that they're going to shell the currently reoccupied

551
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Speaker 1: positions by the Ukrainians and make it as difficult for

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Speaker 1: them to hold the territory as possible. So we'll continue

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Speaker 1: to cover that. On the Biden front, though, this is

554
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Speaker 1: very very important news, which is that the President Biden,

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Speaker 1: for what the fifth time now in his presidency, I

556
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Speaker 1: want to say, or at least third major high profile time,

557
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Speaker 1: has said now definitively that he, as the American president,

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Speaker 1: would militarily defend Taiwan with US troops, and then the

559
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Speaker 1: White House changing their response or changing and contradicting the

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Speaker 1: President after he has said that now publicly. So let's

561
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Speaker 1: take a listen to exactly what he said and they'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what the White House said after. But would

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Speaker 1: US forces defend the island, Yes, if in fact there

564
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Speaker 1: was an unprecedented attack. After our interview of White House

565
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Speaker 1: official told US, US policy has not changed. Officially, the

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Speaker 1: US will not say whether American forces would defend Taiwan.

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Speaker 1: But the commander in chief had a view of his own,

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Speaker 1: so unlike Ukraine, to be clear, Sir, US forces, US

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Speaker 1: men and women would defend Taiwan in the event of

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Speaker 1: a Chinese invasion. Yes, he said it as clear as day,

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Speaker 1: I don't said it. He said it now to retime,

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Speaker 1: not leave himself. Yeah, any wicked room, right, because the

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Speaker 1: first response was like, in the event of what are

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Speaker 1: you saying on the president is attack? Yeah, okay, well

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Speaker 1: maybe you could spin that as like, oh well, this

576
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Speaker 1: attack is didn't meet the standard of unprecedented. But he's like,

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00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: so let's be clear, unlike Ukraine, where we didn't commit

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Speaker 1: this on the ground, with Taiwan, you would and he

579
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Speaker 1: says flat out yes. Right then the White House once again, no,

580
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Speaker 1: policy hasn't changed inaguity, all of this US maintained strategic

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Speaker 1: This is from the US, from the State Department and

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Speaker 1: from the White House quote the US maintained strategic ambuity

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Speaker 1: on whether American forces would defend Taiwan. The Taiwan Relations

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Speaker 1: Act up oddly gates to the US to help equip

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Speaker 1: Taiwan to defend itself. That's not congruent with what he said. No,

586
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Speaker 1: this is like, this is like whenever he did the

587
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Speaker 1: by God, this man cannot remain in power, and that

588
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: the White House is like, oh no, this is not

589
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: a declaration of regime change in Russia. Really yeah, but

590
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Speaker 1: he's the president, like he's the one who gets to

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Speaker 1: decide the policy. As far as I'm concerned, President Biden

592
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Speaker 1: now has made it very clear exactly what he's going

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Speaker 1: to do in Taiwan. And the reason why this is

594
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Speaker 1: so dangerous is mixed signals when you're dealing with nuclear powers,

595
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Speaker 1: is the exact opposite of what you want to do. Okay,

596
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Speaker 1: you said you're going to defend Taiwan. Stick to it.

597
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: Then that's now the policy of the US government. Now

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Speaker 1: you should maintain that, and at the very least let's

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Speaker 1: get the possible deterrent effect that that may have in

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Speaker 1: the future. But now if you're shishingping, you're like, what

601
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Speaker 1: is the policy? Who is running the government? Because if

602
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: I go is Biden going to do? Does he even

603
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: run the government? Is it the White House? Like you know?

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Speaker 1: I mean to them too, the idea that the American

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Speaker 1: president can say something and then be contradicted by his

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Speaker 1: own government. That makes no sense to the Chinese. So

607
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: they're like, I don't know what the hell is happening here.

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Speaker 1: I yeah, was actually after I read that piece about

609
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Speaker 1: like Biden Moore and we don't want World War three

610
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Speaker 1: and all this stuff, I was like, Okay, like I've

611
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: got some disagreements, but at least these things. And then

612
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: I saw this, I was like, what the hell is

613
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Speaker 1: going on here? I mean, this is insane. China is

614
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Speaker 1: not Russia. Like the people who think we could do

615
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: the same thing to China that we've done to Russian

616
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Speaker 1: like cut ourselves off economic you're smoking something because the

617
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Speaker 1: level of economic interdependence between US and China. Forget about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we did we not learn this lesson during

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Speaker 1: the pandemic when it was like, oh, guess what we

620
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Speaker 1: don't have mass guess what we don't have, like enough

621
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Speaker 1: like materials for the shots. We don't have. We rely

622
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Speaker 1: on them for everything, for gowns, for ppe, for everything.

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Speaker 1: And you think that we're anywhere close to being able

624
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Speaker 1: to have the same response with China that we have

625
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Speaker 1: with Russia, that is bananas. Not to mention how many

626
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Speaker 1: Americans are out there clam for a war with China,

627
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Speaker 1: like you want to talk about World War three, let's

628
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: talk about a direct military conflict with China, which is

629
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Speaker 1: exactly what he is floating, not just floating here saying

630
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Speaker 1: definitively that he is on board for. So this is insane.

631
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Speaker 1: And then you add to it. The total contradiction between

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Speaker 1: what he's saying then what the White House is trying

633
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: to spin and what it's a disaster. My thing is

634
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: is like, look, if that's a policy, then you need

635
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: to orient all US forces towards that pot. This might

636
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, Bridge Colby, who we've had on the show,

637
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: has discussed this. He's like, look, if that's actually the policy,

638
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: He's like, you have to change literally everything about the

639
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: US military, about the US alliance, about our economy. You

640
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: need to prepare like all of this because otherwise, if

641
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Speaker 1: you stick by this policy exactly for the reasons that

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Speaker 1: you're saying, you could both possibly lose a war with

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Speaker 1: China and you could suffer complete economic intast I mean,

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Speaker 1: it would be an economic catastrophe regardless, just because of

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Speaker 1: interdependence with Taiwan. Absolutely. The other problem, too, is that

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Speaker 1: the spokesperson for the Chinese government obviously they see this

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Speaker 1: and they're immediately saying that this is severely jeopardizing China

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Speaker 1: US relations stability, and the Taiwan's China is firmly opposed

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Speaker 1: to this. And another problem is that I was reading

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Speaker 1: actually very recently that ever since the Pelosi visit to Taiwan.

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Speaker 1: Once again, the Chinese government does not believe that the

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Speaker 1: US government had nothing to do with that visit. They're like,

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that President Biden didn't want her to go.

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Speaker 1: I don't really believe it either. I don't really know it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that she is enough of a

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Speaker 1: narcissist to go. I certainly don't blame China for reading

657
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: it that way, because I'm not convinced that that Biden

658
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: didn't green light it either, right, So, like, I don't

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Speaker 1: know anyway. If I'm the Chinese and I grew up

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Speaker 1: in an authoritarian system, I'm like, I straight up just

661
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: don't believe like so called co equal branches of government.

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Speaker 1: So I get it from their perspective, and at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, their perspective, you know, matters equally

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Speaker 1: as much as ours does. Well, there has apparently been

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Speaker 1: almost a near total diplomatic cutoff between Beijing and Washington

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Speaker 1: ever since then. You know, remember when they fired those

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Speaker 1: missiles into around the Taiwan straight after the Pelosi visit,

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Speaker 1: there was no military deconfliction pick up by the Chinese military.

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Speaker 1: So once again, like, if you want that policy, I

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Speaker 1: think that's fine, but then you need to be one

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Speaker 1: hundred committed to that, and then we should at very

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Speaker 1: least get the detern effect and prepare the US armed forces,

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Speaker 1: in the US military, and the US population for the

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Speaker 1: democratic buy in if such thing we're going to happen.

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Speaker 1: But you can't just offhand say these things like he

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Speaker 1: did with regime change and then also have the White

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Speaker 1: House directly contradict you. It's incredibly dangerous. Yeah, for the future.

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Speaker 1: I really, I really think it's it's so it's more

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Speaker 1: destabilizing as if he wouldn't as if he didn't just

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Speaker 1: commit to it in this yeah place. And I mean,

681
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's fine in any regard, even if

682
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Speaker 1: we were like aggressively preparing our military, economy or whatever.

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Speaker 1: We've taken some small tepid steps like the Chips Act

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Speaker 1: towards being more economically uh you know independent, that's good,

685
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Speaker 1: but we are nowhere there. And I don't want a

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Speaker 1: war with China. I don't want World War three. That

687
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: would be a disaster the bottom line here, And you know,

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Speaker 1: even the policy that we've we've sort of ramped up

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Speaker 1: weapons shipments to Taiwan. I mean, now they feel like Okay,

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Speaker 1: we've got a playbook with what we did in Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Which again, even that thinking that is insane because China

692
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: and Russia totally different situation, but that seems to be

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Speaker 1: what they're thinking. That they've ramped up weaponshipments to Taiwan.

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Speaker 1: Even that is a really double edged sword. Like I

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Speaker 1: understand the impulse of like, let's arm them so that

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Speaker 1: they are really prepared in case there is some sort

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Speaker 1: of invasion. But the other thing that can happen here,

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Speaker 1: which may have been what happened with Ukraine, is that

699
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: China feels like, oh, since we're arming them and we're

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Speaker 1: shipping them all these weapons, making it more difficult for them,

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Speaker 1: It's like we got to go now or never else

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Speaker 1: it's going to be more difficult. Because that's what some

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Speaker 1: people think happened basically with Ukraine. When we started arming them,

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Speaker 1: when we started training them, there was a sense of

705
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: putin of like I've got to act now before they

706
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Speaker 1: get further down this road and it becomes impossible to

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Speaker 1: take over this country. Ultimately, I think it's possible. I

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Speaker 1: actually think it probably would have much less to do

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Speaker 1: with us and a lot more to do with China

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Speaker 1: and domestic political conditions there. I don't really think it

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Speaker 1: would have as much to do with us or I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've been arming the Taiwan since like nineteen seventy three,

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Speaker 1: so and nothing we're doing right now is unprecedented. More,

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Speaker 1: what it would be is if they genuinely believe that

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Speaker 1: their moment which is now and they have no other choice,

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Speaker 1: and also to stick with the twenty twenty five plan

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Speaker 1: and the one hundred year anniversary of like the CCP

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00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: and Mao's you know, revolution or whatever. I think I

719
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: think it would have a lot more to do with that.

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Speaker 1: And it's also if he especially had economic collapse and

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Speaker 1: they needed the population in China to be united around something.

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Speaker 1: I mean, people forget this, like the Chinese population actually

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00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: does really agree with the Chinese government on Taiwan. It's

724
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Speaker 1: an uncomfortable truth, but it's true. It's like kind of

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00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 1: in the way that you know, Russians believe that Ukraine

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00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: really is an independent country. Most Russians believe that. Most

727
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: Chinese also believe that about Taiwan. Like the idea that

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Speaker 1: they don't have domestic political support on this is very

729
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: very uh misguided, So they have their own domestic political concerns.

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Speaker 1: I think that would probably fuel their thinking more than anything. Look,

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Speaker 1: I honestly have no idea. I do think they probably

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Speaker 1: had to learn something from Ukraine. I mean they have

733
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Speaker 1: to learn that it wouldn't be costless, that they couldn't

734
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Speaker 1: just quote unquote get away with it. So anyway, I

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Speaker 1: have no idea. Troubling, troubling, you believe it at that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's turn to the domestic political front. Some pretty interesting

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Speaker 1: reporting about how Democrats are feeling about the leadership of

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Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi. Let's go ahead and put this first part

739
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: up on the screen. CNN was the outlet that was

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00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: doing the reporting here, and go ahead. But this tweet episode.

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Speaker 1: This is from one of their reporters, Edward Isaac Dovier.

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Speaker 1: He says, has some of the quotes here from Democratic

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Speaker 1: members of the House who basically are saying, look, if

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Speaker 1: we win the House, I guess we'll give Pelosi the

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00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: speakership again. But if they lose the majority, quote, the

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Speaker 1: dynamics change. I think it changes the game. If you

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Speaker 1: dig into this article, they interviewed more than two dozen

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Speaker 1: House Democrats. That seem to be the consensus that among

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Speaker 1: most of them that quote. If they lose the majority,

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Speaker 1: there would be overwhelming pressure for Pelosi to go, a

751
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Speaker 1: prospect that Democratic sources say the House Speaker is keenly

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00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: aware of. If they do hold control, it could lead

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Speaker 1: to Pelosi extending her time and power, But Democrats are

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00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: split about that possibility. A sizable contingent is eager for

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00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 1: new leadership regardless of the outcome, even if she would

756
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: be the heavy favorite to hold on to the gavel. Now,

757
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: the thing that is always interesting to me about this

758
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: is that the like corporatists and the centrists are willing

759
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: to go so much harder than the lefties. Yeah, so

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00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: AOC is quoted in here, and it's very squishy. Yeah,

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00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: what does she say? She says, I think if we're

762
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: in a minority, then I think that the desire for

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00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: change will be broader, potentially within the party. But I

764
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: think that desire exists. We saw in her that desire

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Speaker 1: in the last two terms the Democrats were the majority.

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00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: So it really is just a question of not if

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00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: people want that, but how many whereas you've got. You know,

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Speaker 1: you've got another senior like corporatist Democrat here who says

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00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: she has to go no way she can stay, she

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00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: doesn't have the votes. So always interesting to me that

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00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 1: the but and part of that is that the people

772
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Speaker 1: who challenge her from the right like they get forgiven

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Speaker 1: for it, you know. I mean there was a sort

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Speaker 1: of like uprising in twenty sixteen, was it, where it

775
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: was like, okay, we might make a run from the

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00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: right at pushing Pelosi out of power. Those people were

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00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: all welcome back in with open arms, Whereas if it

778
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: was a lefty challenge, then forget it. They would be

779
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, excides for the party and demonize as Russian

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Speaker 1: traders or whatever forever. I also thought that there was

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Speaker 1: an interesting quote here from Henry Quaar, who, you know,

782
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Speaker 1: Pelosi really went to bat or dragged him across the

783
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: finish line in his primary where he was facing a

784
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: challenger to his left, and you see very clearly in

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Speaker 1: this article why she was so committed to keeping him.

786
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: Quaar says, I support Pelosi. I'll support her for whatever

787
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: position that's ultimately the bottom line of in spite of

788
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: the fact that he's anti choice and pro gun and

789
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: totally at odds with her on any number of other issues,

790
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: that she still backed him, dragged him across the finish

791
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: line because ultimately he was going to be there for

792
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: her in the vote that most is most important to her.

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00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: So if she does go, who would be the replacements?

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00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: This is also very interesting the two that are always floated,

795
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: King Jeffreys in particular, I think, is the person who's

796
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: floated the most Democrat out of the New York area.

797
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: What is her present Brooklyn? I think? And then you

798
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: have Adam Schiff, who you know, you guys know who

799
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: Adam shifp is. But in this article they say that

800
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: two of the current deputies, Stenny Hoyer and Jim Clyburn,

801
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: are also thinking about it, which like, if your case

802
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: is Pelosi's too old, these zers are just as old.

803
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: So that's the piece gun put that tweet back up

804
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: on the screen. They say, much attention on Pelosi's plans,

805
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: but also Stenny Hoyer has privately indicated to allies he

806
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: would run for the top job of Pelosi bowed out,

807
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 1: according to multiple Democratic sources. I don't think we're ruling

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00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: out anything Hoyer said, And Cliburn is also keeping options open.

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00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: So there you go. That's the state of play. Pretty interesting,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and Stenny Hoyer is a whopping eighty three

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Speaker 1: years old. Just sorry, roon, he's actually older than Nancy Pelosi.

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00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: I believe Cliburn is also up. That's actually what strikes

813
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: me more than that. I'm like, God, is there nobody forty?

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Speaker 1: I mean even fifty five? I'd take it. You know,

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00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: It's like at this point, like, how is there not

816
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: a bench real leadership? I really do think that they

817
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: have done themselves a tremendous disservice. We were looking I

818
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: was looking at GRAF recently about average age in Congress,

819
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: and they're the recent spike to the seventies and eighties,

820
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: especially in leadership. That's a very recent phenomenon. It really

821
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: only happened in the last like twenty five years, and

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Speaker 1: much of it is because of Pelosi and the people

823
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Speaker 1: around hers are complete inability to let go of power.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Cliburn is a very malevolent influence in politics,

825
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: as is Adam Ship. I mean, none of these people

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Speaker 1: they are floating are an improvement over Pelosi. In fact,

827
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Speaker 1: several of them are actually worse. Like Cliburn is probably

828
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: the reason Kamala Harris is vice president. Really he's the

829
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Speaker 1: one that you know kneecaps the left and the primary

830
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Speaker 1: ultimately Biden's able to win. He is a big part

831
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Speaker 1: of the reason that the Democratic Party stays so closely

832
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: aligned to corporate power and never like you know, breaks

833
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: that hard and fast alliance. So the idea of him

834
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Speaker 1: stepping in a speaker is, you know, it's not a

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Speaker 1: good one. In my opinion, none of these, as I said,

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Speaker 1: any improve Adam shift. I mean, at least with Pelosi,

837
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Speaker 1: you gotta say, like she's she is relatively effective at

838
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: keeping the caucus in line. She's kind of politically savvy

839
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Speaker 1: and like strategic and tactically savvy. Like these people, I

840
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: don't think they have that level of tactical skill, and

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00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: they're ideologically all terrible. So not an improvement in my opinion,

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00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: any of this. They discussed the possibility of Pelosi either

843
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: stepping aside or being pushed out on CNN. Let's take

844
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Speaker 1: a listen to a little bit of how that went.

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Speaker 1: But it is really an open question. You have this

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00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: situation where we have three leaders of Democratic leadership who've

847
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: been there for a very long time, and so there's

848
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Speaker 1: a lot of interest in coming up the ranks. Any women,

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Speaker 1: any women. There are women who are in consideration for

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Speaker 1: other posts. But the top job is probably going to

851
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: not be a woman. At this point, we'll see, it's

852
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Speaker 1: too early to tell where this will go. So CNN's

853
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: top concern there is where is the woman? As if

854
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: that's the thing that matter. Yeah, apparently that's the most

855
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: important thing, now what they believe? You know, this typical anyway,

856
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: there's a reason that lady is losing her job or

857
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: at the very least losing her primetime slot on c

858
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: or whatever morning show slot. Yes, yet we're getting to

859
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: that later in the show, the CNN shakeup. But I

860
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I don't I don't really buy

861
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: that Pelosi is going to step aside. I don't either,

862
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: especially if they do hold on to the majority, which

863
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: I think is unlikely, but you know, theoretically possible. I

864
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: don't see any way she steps aside. And she supposedly,

865
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, back when she did face this like leadership threat,

866
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: before she made a deal with them, that she was like,

867
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to step aside in four years now. It

868
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: was like an unofficial deal, and no one should have

869
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: ever taken her word for it. But clearly, you know,

870
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: she's sort of thrown those calculations aside. So I don't know.

871
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: I do think she has that narcissistic tendency to feel like, oh,

872
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: the republic, future of the Republic depends on me staying

873
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: in this position, and no one could possibly replace me,

874
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna have to stay here no matter what.

875
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: And I also, you know, I don't think any of

876
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: these potential replacements, they're all close allies of Pelosi. So

877
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: are they really gonna step up and like mount this

878
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: direct challenge to her? I find it a little bit

879
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: hard to believe, but it is interesting that you have,

880
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, a significant number of members right now saying

881
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: that they think it's time to move on and that

882
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: they think she'll be replaced. I think you're right. I yeah,

883
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I think she's too much of a narcissist

884
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: to actually let go. She's intimated in the past, like

885
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: maybe I'll leave, maybe I won't. She always ends up staying.

886
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: I honestly think she'll just die in office. Like, I

887
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: don't think that she has it in her to stay

888
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: to go well at the very lead, Yeah, I mean,

889
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: look at how much she just loves being fitted. She's

890
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: in like Armenia right now. You know, she's loves to travel,

891
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: she's always on board. The military escort plane is like

892
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: part of the in the you know, the actual line

893
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: of succession for the US government. I think she just

894
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: really likes the flex of being speaker, and you know,

895
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: being minority leader in the House is not an insignificant

896
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: position either. Will still have tremendous responsibility. So it wouldn't

897
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: surprise me for a second if she stayed on. Yeah,

898
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: me neither. And we've got some new pulling about how

899
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: things are shaking out for the midterms. Let's put this

900
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: first piece up on the screen. This is from NBC News,

901
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: Mark Murray tweeting here that the GOP has huge issue

902
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: handling leads on the economy, crime, and border slash, immigration,

903
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: Dems have leads big leads on abortion and healthcare, and

904
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: you can see the graph there over on the side.

905
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: I mean, the biggest area where Republicans have a lead

906
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: appears to be border security, but pretty close behind is

907
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: the economy, which obviously continues to be really important issue

908
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: for people as it always is. Overall, in this poll

909
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: you had tie in terms of the generic ballot. So

910
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: that's when you ask people, hey, would you rather have

911
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: a Democrat or Republican as your member of Congress. That's

912
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: the generic ballot, and it came in at a tie. Now,

913
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: Democrats previously had a deficit on that measure, so that

914
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: represents an improvement. But if they were actually going to

915
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: hold onto the House, most analysts think they would have

916
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: to be ahead by several points on that metric, just

917
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: because of you know, the way the districts are drawn

918
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: and jerry mandering, and the fact that you pretty consistently

919
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: have Republican support understated in these polls. Interesting Also, let's

920
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: put this next piece on the breakdown demographic breakdown of

921
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: who supports the Dems and who supports the GOP in

922
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two midterms. As I said, overall, it's

923
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: forty six to forty six, so it's a tie among

924
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: white voters overall Republicans with a sizable advantage forty one

925
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: for Democrats fifty four for Republicans. Huge college split, so

926
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: white people with a college degree fifty eight percent backing Democrats,

927
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: thirty eight percent Republicans without a college degree. Those numbers

928
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: are totally flipped and even more lopsided, thirty one for

929
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: Democrats sixty four for Republicans. Black voters still overwhelmingly with Democrats.

930
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: Democrats with a narrow lead among Latino's forty six forty two.

931
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: We're going to dig into that a little bit more.

932
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: And there's a sizeable gender gap here too. Women are

933
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: backing Democrats Democrats fifty three to forty. Men are backing

934
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: Republicans thirty nine for Democrats, fifty three for Republicans. So

935
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: that is kind of the overall picture that is coming

936
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: out of this NBC newspool. Yeah, it's interesting also whenever

937
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: you're looking even more into the breakdown in terms of

938
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: what voters care about and what they also believe about

939
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: the economy, it matters a lot. Sixty three percent of

940
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: voters believe their income has fallen behind the cost of living.

941
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: Fifty eight percent disapprove of Biden's handling of the economy.

942
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: So even though you have like that forty forty six,

943
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 1: forty six something, and you know, during the twenty twenty campaign,

944
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: something I would always hear from the Trump folks was, yes,

945
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: you look at all that, but look at his economic numbers,

946
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: and always he was either tied or slightly above Joe Biden.

947
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: And so when I see this and I see the economy,

948
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: so heavily weighted towards Republicans again at forty seven to

949
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: twenty eight in terms of who you think is going

950
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: to handle things better. That's just a tremendous lead that

951
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: it's going to be very very hard to decouple from.

952
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: And you know, demographics and all that other stuff aside,

953
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: the one thing that we all have to deal with

954
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: is prices, and whenever prices are high as they are

955
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: right now eight point two I think percent inflation highest

956
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: in over forty years, there's just going to be a

957
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: price for that. I don't think there's any way to

958
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: spin it. Crystal and abortion and all the other stuff aside. Structurally, like,

959
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: things are looking pretty good. I mean, so we actually

960
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: down in Atlanta, we gave our prediction, yes for the

961
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: mid term way here too. Yeah, shameless, shameless prognostications that

962
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll backfire and blow up in our faces,

963
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: but what the hell. And I think people were a

964
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: little bit surprised that I did pick Republicans not only

965
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: to take the House, which to me is you know,

966
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: that's an easy one to make. I think it's pretty

967
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: certain just because of the advantages they have structurally that

968
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: they'll probably take the House, they only need to pick

969
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: up a few seats. But I also, if I had

970
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: to say, would still predict that they win the Senate.

971
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: And I know that you know, five point thirty eight

972
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: and these other metrics say that Democrats are very much

973
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: favored to hold on to the Senate. The polling looks

974
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: pretty good for them, and all of the battle ground

975
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: states and even in some surprising places like Wisconsin and

976
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: Ohio those ones I discount entirely. But ultimately this is

977
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: going to come down to likely very close races in

978
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: states like Georgia and in states like Nevada, and they

979
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: only have to net one seat. So if they win

980
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: those two, which again the polling is extremely close on,

981
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 1: Republicans win control of the Senate. And when I look

982
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: at the economic numbers, when I look at the fact

983
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: that Republicans still have an advantage in terms of how

984
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: they would manage the economy, and a significant advantage, the

985
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: economy is still the number one issue people are talking about.

986
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: The economy is always the number one issue that people

987
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: vote on election after election, Like we always have to

988
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: relearn this lesson. When you look at the fact that, yeah,

989
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: Biden's approval is a little better but it's still not good.

990
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: When you still have so many people saying the nation

991
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: is on the wrong track, and you have the historic

992
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: precedent of the party in power doing poorly in this

993
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: first midterm election, it's just hard for me to really

994
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: believe that abortion is going to be enough to completely

995
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: turn the fortunes around for Democrats. Now, is it going

996
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: to be closer than expcted to Yes, of course, now

997
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: they have a shot. They didn't have a shot before,

998
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: and it really is sort of balanced on a knife edge.

999
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: But when I look at numbers like this, I do

1000
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: feel like it's just so hard to overcome that economic

1001
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: deficit that even if you have this newly motivated you know,

1002
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: women in particular young people maybe around student loan debt,

1003
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: it's still a really uphill climb for Democrats to be

1004
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: able to overcome an estate like Georgia or state like

1005
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: Nevada where the Senate will be won or lost. So

1006
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: we'll see how it all shakes out. It's still a

1007
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: long way to go before November. God knows what will

1008
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: happen between now and then. But even as Democrats have

1009
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: very much improved their positioning, I still think it's going

1010
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: to be a tough hill to climb, all right, co

1011
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: sign all of that, and yeah, I think it's very

1012
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: important just underscore like why that is such an important

1013
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: dynamic and all the polls, exciting ones which are probably

1014
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: fake and completely wrong, just like they were in twenty twenty.

1015
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: It's more of a bet on that and not always

1016
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: just bet on the absolute quote unquote fundamental that has

1017
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: ruled American politics now for decades, which is the economy. Stupid.

1018
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: It's a joke and a meme for a reason, because

1019
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: it literally is basically the only thing that really matters

1020
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: whenever people come to the ballot box. So at the

1021
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: same time, we had a new deep dive into how

1022
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: Latino voters are feeling what party they're identifying with at

1023
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: this point in time. This one came from the New

1024
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: York Times that did a poll just of it was

1025
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: New York Times in Siena College that did like an

1026
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: oversample of Latino voters to dig in and get some

1027
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: insights here, let's go ahead and put this up on

1028
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: the screen. They say a majority of Latino voters are

1029
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: out of geop's reach. A New York Times Siana College

1030
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: pool found Democrats fearing far worse than they have in

1031
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: past with Hispanic voters, but overall, the party has maintained

1032
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: a hold on the Latino electorate, and so what they're

1033
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: seeing here is, obviously there has been some realignment, especially

1034
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 1: among young, working class Latino males, huge shift towards Republicans.

1035
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: There is weakness for Democrats in some areas, and I

1036
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: think it also, I mean, the big thing you get

1037
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: out of this is like we talk about the Latino

1038
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 1: community like that's a fiction. There's a very different picture

1039
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: in the South with Latino voters than in other parts

1040
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: of the country. So in the South you've had more

1041
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: of a realignment, especially in Florida and Texas, towards Republicans

1042
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: than you haven't had in other parts of the country.

1043
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: They say that Democrats have maintained a grow up on

1044
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 1: the majority of Latino voters, driven in part by women

1045
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: and the belief that Democrats remain the party of the

1046
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: working class. Overall, Hispanics are more likely to agree with

1047
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: Democrats on many issues, including immigration, gun policy, and climate

1048
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: and they are also more likely to see Republicans as

1049
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 1: the party of the elite and is holding extreme views.

1050
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: Majority of Hispanic voters fifty six percent still planned to

1051
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 1: vote for Democrats this fall, compared with thirty two percent

1052
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: for Republicans. But again, the trouble spots are, you know,

1053
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: handling of the economy. Trouble spots are there is a

1054
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: sizable chunk of the Latino electorate that does agree with

1055
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: Republicans on issues like crime in the border. So and

1056
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: they also they asked about latin X and they found

1057
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: basically like they didn't really like the term, but they

1058
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: were like offended by it. So anyway, that's kind of

1059
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: the big picture is they're trying to make the case

1060
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 1: that even though there has been some shift towards the GOP,

1061
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: there's still a bulk of Hispanic voters that identify more

1062
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: with the Democrats and feel like the Democrats are still

1063
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: the party of the world. Yeah, I just still felt

1064
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: like it's a big cope, which is that nobody's ever

1065
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: claimed that Republicans are winning the majority of Latinos. The

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Speaker 1: whole point is that if it's even fifty five to

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Speaker 1: forty five, like, it's actually a huge disaster because they've

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Speaker 1: been waiting it by seventy five to twenty five like

1069
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: five years ago. So what happened. Go and look at

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00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: the margins well, I mean on Obama. Compare this to

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00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: the expectations of the Democratic Party just a few cycles back,

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00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: especially when back in twenty twelve, you know, all the

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00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: way up through Trump's first election, when the thought was

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00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: because his rhetoric was so extreme in terms of the

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Speaker 1: border and immigration, that you'd have a flood of Latinos

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Speaker 1: in the Democratic camp. I mean, this was actually fearce

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00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: all the way where Republicans were secretly very afraid of

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00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: this as well. Yes, this was Mitt Romney believed this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're correct, Yeah, And there was remember after twenty twelve,

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00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: this is autossy or even had people like Sean Hannity

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00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: saying like, ah, we got to soften on immigration, we

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00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: got to reach out to this constituency in a different way,

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00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 1: which was also very all around the whole political class.

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Speaker 1: The idea that you could just that immigration was the

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00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: only issue that this large and extraordinarily diverse group of

1086
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: voters cared about was always really, i mean, frankly racist

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00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: and incredibly essentializing. So there was that mistake. And then

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00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: obviously after twenty sixteen and then in twenty twenty, when

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00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: Trump gains with this demographic, it's like what the hell's

1090
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: going on here? So compare where they are now, where

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00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: it's like, well, we're not doing you know, Democrats are

1092
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: doing not that great, but they're still barely holding on

1093
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: to a majority. Versus the expectation that this was going

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00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: to become a solid Democratic voting block the way that

1095
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: African Americans are, there's a very different reality that has unfolded.

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Speaker 1: My reaction to this is Latinos they're just like all

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00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: of us, as in they are bifurcating on class lines,

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00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: predominantly on whether you have a four year college degree

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00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: or not. General lines two and gender two. No, but

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00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: that's the GOP as well. It's the only group, once

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00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: again who actually voted less as part of a demographic

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty for white men, every other black man,

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00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: Latino men, Indian men, whatever, all went much more Republican,

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00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: including women as well. So it's more like a white

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00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: man felt like shame, I guess and decided not to

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00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: vover Trump. But like in general, gender split has always

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00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: been extremely reliable on whether you vote, like they did

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00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 1: that one map right where it's like if only women voted,

1109
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: every single state would have gone blue. If every only

1110
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: men voted, in a vast majority would have gone. It's

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00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: always been a major dividing line in America. Nobody likes

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00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: to talk about it, but it is true. So especially

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00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 1: when you introduce the class dynamic. I mean, once again,

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00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 1: one of the best predictors outside of gender and guns

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00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: is did you go to college or not? Shocking, it

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00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: turns out Latinos are just like all of us, yeah,

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00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: and vote just like everybody else. Well. In the difference

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00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: between Latinos in the South and other parts of the

1119
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: country was also interesting to me and also makes a

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00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: lot of sense. I mean, in Texas, you have a

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Speaker 1: lot of Latinos. You've been there for generations. I mean,

1122
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's a different it's a it's an own identity.

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Speaker 1: This is you know. This is also driven me crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's like you have people there in Texas their fourth

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Speaker 1: fifth generation, sometimes before even you know, the whites showed

1126
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: up in Texas. So they're like, yo, like we don't

1127
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: we don't look at ourselves as Mexican. They're like, we're Texican,

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Speaker 1: They're you know, and sometimes they even uh, this is

1129
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 1: there's a term which is like nebulous, but it does

1130
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 1: mean something like white Hispanic, Like what they literally consider

1131
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: themselves why, which is fine. I mean, you could consider

1132
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: yourself whatever you want, but they legitimately do not consider themselves.

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00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: And I really have any real like cultural connection to

1134
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: like a new arrival from like Puerto Rico. Yeah, they're like,

1135
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: we don't really have anything in common. We have a

1136
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Speaker 1: very distinct culture. They're like, we have a deep connection

1137
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: to Texas, to the land. They're like even Mexico, They're like, yeah,

1138
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: we know it's close by, we may have relatives, but

1139
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: like we're very different people. Border patrol also an important

1140
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: of jobs in border patrol for communities, and I guess

1141
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: is to work for border patrol, you know, you have

1142
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: to speak Spanish. Who do you think that the best

1143
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: bilingual people near the border are? These people are Latinos themselves.

1144
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's always annoyed me, Like you ra sure

1145
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: of a lot of these people. Florida you obviously have

1146
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: large Cuban but also growing Venezuelan population, where you know,

1147
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: the politics again are very different. So anyway, that's that's

1148
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: the latest breakdown reflects a lot of the shifts that

1149
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: we see in other polling and pretty interesting to dig

1150
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: into the different issues in the way it's being viewed

1151
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: and you know, with hispanics across the country. Next piece

1152
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: that we wanted to get to here. So last week

1153
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: there was a big report in the New York Times.

1154
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: They got the scoop about how the founder of Patagonia,

1155
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: who's this kind of like hippy ish guy who was

1156
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: like a rock climber and sort of you know accidentals. Yeah.

1157
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I was not like to smear him. This

1158
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: is to smear the New York Times, to tell you

1159
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: that they're bad at their job. So this guy decides

1160
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: he's getting older and he's trying to figure out what

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00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: he wants to do with his company, and he ultimately

1162
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: decides that through a series of mechanisms I'll get into

1163
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: in a moment, his family's going to keep basically control

1164
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Speaker 1: of it. It's a private company, it's not public company,

1165
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: and all of the proceeds are going to be donated

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00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: to this nonprofit which is meant to flight fight climate

1167
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: change and to support the environment. I think he cares

1168
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: a lot about like conservation of wild spaces and things

1169
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: like that as well, which makes sense is his background

1170
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: as a rock climber. So New York Times writes up

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00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: this glowing article. Again, this is nothing against this guy,

1172
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: who I have no reason to believe that he has

1173
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: ill intentions here or whatever. But there was a really

1174
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: explicit effort to pretend that there were no tax benefits

1175
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: to him or the family from handling the company in

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00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: this way. Gun put the article up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Here it says billionaire no more. Patagonia founder gives away

1178
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: the company. Here is the technical specifics and how they

1179
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: describe it of how this is all happening. They say,

1180
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: in August, the family irrevocably transferred all the company's voting

1181
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: stock into a newly established entity known as the Patagonia

1182
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: Purpose Trust. So that's the company and the voting stock

1183
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: goes there. Then the trust, which is going to be

1184
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: overseen by members of the family and their close advisors,

1185
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: is intended in sure Patagonia makes good on its commitment

1186
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: to run a socially responsible business and to give away

1187
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: its profits. The Tweeyards, I think is how you say it.

1188
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, donated their shares to a trust. The

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00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: family will play about seventeen point five million in taxes

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00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: on the gift. Then they donated the other ninety eight

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00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: percent of Patagonia. It's common shares to a nonprofit called

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00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: the hold Fast Collective. It's a five oh one C four,

1193
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: which they say allows it to make unlimited political contributions.

1194
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: But the family received no tax benefit for its donation. Okay,

1195
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: remember that line. Then they go on to very explicitly

1196
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: draw contrast with another big company gifting for political causes

1197
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: that they had previously covered, but that one came from

1198
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: a right wing billionaire. So then they say, Barry Seed,

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00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: a Republican donor, is the only other example in recent

1200
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: memory of a wealthy business owner who gave away his

1201
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: company for philanthropic and political causes. But he took a

1202
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: different approach in giving one hundred percent of his company

1203
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: to a nonprofit, reaping an enormous personal tax windfall as

1204
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: he made a one point six billion dollar gift to

1205
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: fund conservative causes, including efforts to stop action on climate change. Now,

1206
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: the reality is that that Republican donor, whatever you think,

1207
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: and I don't like the use that he is intending

1208
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: to put his funds to. It was the same basic

1209
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: structure as what the Patagonia did do. So the tax

1210
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: benefits that are accruing to the Republican donor are the

1211
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: same ones that are accruing to the Patagonia founder, namely

1212
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: the fact that because he used this mechanism, they don't

1213
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: have to recognize any of the capital gains on this company,

1214
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: so the you know, appreciation of value, all of that

1215
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: that would be a huge tax hit that is all foregone,

1216
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: and they're able to transfer it over with paying like

1217
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: very minimal taxes. Now, it is true for both of

1218
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: these men, by the way, that because it's not going

1219
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: to a five oh one c three where you could

1220
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: get a charitable tax deduction, it is true that they

1221
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: are not maximizing their tax benefits. But that's also true

1222
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: for the right wing donor. So it's pretty pretty remarkable.

1223
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: And you know, they went out of their way to

1224
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: get like quotes from people in this Patagonia article saying, Oh,

1225
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: it's so amazing and it's incredible that they're not benefiting

1226
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: from this and all of this. Again, I don't have

1227
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: an issue personally with saying, like, I support what this

1228
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: money is going to, and I don't support what that

1229
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: money is going to, But the fact that they just

1230
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: got the story blatantly wrong is a real disservice to everyone. Oh,

1231
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: it's completely ridiculous cause everyone's like, oh, this is the

1232
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: good you know, it's this is exactly Also, it just

1233
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: shows you why it's very dangerous to play the good

1234
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: billionaire bad billionaire game. It's like, no, they actually all

1235
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: exploit the exact same loopholes in the tax code in

1236
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: order to just benefit whatever cause that they want. So

1237
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: once again, like you can think, yeah, it's great that

1238
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: he avoided taxes in order to support climate change stuff,

1239
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: But if you support that, then you also are supporting

1240
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: the underlying mechanism through which the right wing billionaire gives

1241
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: a billion six to the federalist society guy. So well

1242
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: as that as long as that loophole exists in the

1243
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: tax code, it is going to be used for dueling

1244
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: political purposes. And then you have to just be okay

1245
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: with the fact that right wingers exist too amongst the

1246
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: ultra wealthy. Well, and here's the thing. Bloomberg actually accurately

1247
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: covered the story. Let's put that up on the screen

1248
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: because I think it's important. And they go into the

1249
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: details and the parallels between what the Patagonian dude and

1250
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: the other dude did, and that it basically with some

1251
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, small details was the same structure and they

1252
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: got the same tax benefits. And in fact, this allows

1253
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: the Patagonia billionaire to skirt seven hundred million dollars in taxes.

1254
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: And they had some good quotes in this article from

1255
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, an analyst and expert on sort of I

1256
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: want to see an expert in like taxation and billionaires,

1257
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 1: I guess, but I thought he put it well. He said,

1258
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: we're letting people opt out of supporting all the expenses

1259
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: of government to do whatever they want with their money.

1260
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Speaker 1: This is a highly problematic from the point of view

1261
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: of democracy, and it can mean a higher tax burden

1262
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: for the rest of Americans. Using a five to one

1263
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: C four in trust lets him and his family continue

1264
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: to effectively control the company. And they say, if someone

1265
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: wanted to leave their votes behind after they died, we

1266
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: don't let people do that. But through these organizations, they're

1267
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: doing something similar, and their money is so much more

1268
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: powerful than a single vote. So again I'm not saying

1269
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: that these guys have like ill In ten or an

1270
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: Farris or whatever, but the bottom line is, rather than

1271
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: allowing their assets and their estates to be taxed when

1272
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: they pass and for those massive ports seven hundred billion

1273
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: dollars in this case million dollars, sorry, not billion, seven

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Speaker 1: dred million dollars in this case to go into government

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Speaker 1: coffers where there's a democratic process where we all get

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Speaker 1: to have a say in terms of what this money

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Speaker 1: goes towards, whether it's roads or bridges, or schools or

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Speaker 1: war or whatever. Instead, they get to keep control over

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Speaker 1: how this money ultimately is used. And we've talked a

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Speaker 1: lot on the show about how you know, the billionaire

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Speaker 1: is controlling these social causes and relying on the benevolent

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Speaker 1: billionaire to fund your causes is ultimately very problematic and

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Speaker 1: leads to all sorts of others. You see this with

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Speaker 1: Bill Gates in the public health sector as one example. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, exactly, Bill Gates and public s healths. I mean,

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Speaker 1: so many of these guys dom the Waltons and water

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Speaker 1: rights in Montana, and there's all kinds of insanity. Oh

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Speaker 1: that's happening around this country. And this is exactly the issue,

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Speaker 1: which is that if you want to defend this, okay,

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Speaker 1: be my guest, but then just understand the exact tax

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Speaker 1: mechanism which is going to be used by everyone, every

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Speaker 1: billionaire in the United States in order to dodge taxes

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Speaker 1: to just basically donate to whatever cause they believe in. Also,

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Speaker 1: this is the more important one to me. He's actually

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Speaker 1: avoiding the forty percent gift tax on if he was

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Speaker 1: going to give this money to his heirs because he's

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Speaker 1: a man, is eighty three years old. So his heirs

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Speaker 1: now have to pay nothing. And they didn't build Patagonia, Okay,

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Speaker 1: they were just there along, there for the ride. So

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Speaker 1: now they get the social cachet of being a big

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Speaker 1: spender in the Democratic Party and they don't have to

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Speaker 1: pay any taxes. That's crazy. And I was reading an

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Speaker 1: article this morning about the La Times. This billionaire guy

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01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: buys the La Times. His daughter is like some crazy

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01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: social justice lib and is literally making the La Times

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Speaker 1: like change its style guide language. And they don't know

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01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: what to do because they're like, yeah, I mean it's

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01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: the owner's daughter, like and this is a huge paper

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01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: like in Los Angeles. So and at the time everyone

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01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: hailed it. They're like, oh, Patrick, I forgot I don't

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01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: know how to pronounce his last name. Like he's bailing

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01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: out the La Times, like he's coming into the says

1313
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: like this is the price that we pay for this

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01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: total control. Like do you want that guy's daughter to

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01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: be controlling the style guide for a city, the second city,

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01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: the start largest city in America. That's nuts. The same

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01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 1: thing with this guy and whoever his kids are, I

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01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: don't know his kids. Well, the way you put it

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01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: is really good, Like just stay out of the business

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01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: of playing the good billionaire bad billionaire game. Just understand

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Speaker 1: that all of these mostly men with this large amount

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Speaker 1: of money, it distorts democracy. Okay. McKenzie Bezos though, is

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01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: a good example. Absolutely, she gets all this money from

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01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: his divorce. She rules left wing whe she is the

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Speaker 1: single largest amount of money given the way our system

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Speaker 1: is structured, is incredibly distortive and incredibly you just want

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Speaker 1: to talk about thrust to democracy, like the fact that

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01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: they can create this whole separate ecosystem that none of

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01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: us has any saying whatsoever, Like that is a real

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01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: threat to democracy. So yeah, not the New York Times

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01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: finest moment in how they covered these things, and it

1332
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: really is funny. I encourage you to go and read

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01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: the article they that I think was actually very good

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01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: article written by Ken Vogel about the right wing dude. Yes,

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Speaker 1: compare it to the article the fawning not critical at all,

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01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: didn't raise any of these questions article about the Patagonia Dude, Like,

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Speaker 1: go and compare them side to side, the types of

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Speaker 1: quotes that they got on the one hand versus the

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01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: other hand, and the way they presented and everything. It

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01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 1: is like the definition of propaganda, and you can see it.

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01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: This is an actual, like one of the most perfect,

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01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: glaring examples of fakeness. Yeah. I think it's important that

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01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: you set it up too, because everybody in the left

1344
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: wing media just doesn't want to talk about it because

1345
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: are like, well, we support the cause. It's like it

1346
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Well, you reported something that was actually factually incorrect.

1347
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: I actually the person I reached out to, I don't

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01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: think he would mind me saying this, But because he

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01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: had done a lot of reporting on the right wing donation,

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Speaker 1: David Sirota with clever Yeah, And I was like, is

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Speaker 1: this because this looks like the same struck sure, So

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01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: are they just getting this wrong? And he checked in

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01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 1: with the people that he relies on to understand the

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01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: complicated tax mechanics. He's like, no, they just blatantly got

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01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: it wrong. So like even putting like the biased cover

1356
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: just like this, just factually incorrect. The way they presented

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Speaker 1: it pretty astonishing. Just another reminder these people are bad

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Speaker 1: at their jobs. Yeah, bottom line exactly. It's actually shocking

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01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: speaking of people who are bad at their jobs. Let's

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Speaker 1: go ahead and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Is a big shake up going on CNN. We're covering this.

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01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: So Don Lemon has officially been taken off of as

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Speaker 1: a nightly primetime show with his own name on it,

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Speaker 1: and he's being transferred to the morning Now. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how else you would describe somebody who has a

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Speaker 1: show with their name on it at the most coveted

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Speaker 1: timeslot in television and then moving them to a panel

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Speaker 1: show with multiple co hosts from six to nine am,

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01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: which in TV terms means that you actually have to

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Speaker 1: wake up at three thirty in the morning in order

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Speaker 1: to go do your job, and not describe that as demoted. However,

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Speaker 1: mister Lemon is very very sensitive about this. Is put

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Speaker 1: us up there. He says explicitly, I was not demoted.

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01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: He's like, no, no, no no, no. For those who are saying, oh,

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01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: he moved me out, I could have said no, I

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01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: was not demoted. None of that this is an opportunity

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Speaker 1: for it to create something around me and I get

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01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: to work with two great ladies who you know, and

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Speaker 1: he basically just ends the quote right there, turning lemons

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01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: into lemonades, turning lemons. Yeah, there's a lot. There's only

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01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: so many puns that we can make here. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's got tears in his eyes because he's got

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01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna keep going, all right, So, but christ

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Speaker 1: I don't think there is a way to describe this

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01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: as obviously a demotion clearly also also just shows you

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Speaker 1: once again, you know, for all I do support Chris Lick,

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Speaker 1: like firing Brian Sealter and all this, but they fundamentally

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Speaker 1: lack imagination. They described this as a quote mass appeal play. Yes,

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Speaker 1: let's take the lowest rated and frankly dumbest man on

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Speaker 1: television and put him in the morning. That'll appeal to

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Speaker 1: the masses, and then we'll put a blonde woman right

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Speaker 1: next to him because that'll soften him up. Like, what

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01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: what do you? What are you thinking here? Funny to

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01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: me is I they are describing this. The thing that

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01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 1: was strange to me is like they're describing this this

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01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 1: big game change. Yeah, Like, no, it's not. It's the

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Speaker 1: same type of people. Like all of these CNN characters

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01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,799
Speaker 1: are very plug and play, like they're probably very similar.

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Speaker 1: And so oh, I took this blonde woman in man

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Speaker 1: Combo and I switched it for a different blonde woman

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01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 1: in man Combo and threw in Caitlin Collins. Totally. It's like,

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01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:31,600
Speaker 1: that's not a game changer. That's just like a regurgitation

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01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: of a very similar thing that you've been doing. I mean, look,

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01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: we'll see what it looks like when it actually comes

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01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: to the light of day. But I was surprised at

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01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 1: the lack of ambition that this represented, I guess is

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01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,799
Speaker 1: what I would say, because Chris Lickt comes from Morning

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01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: TV is kind of his thing. He created Morning Joe,

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01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: I'll create Morning Joe. What did he also? CBS, I

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01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: think their morning show you're the lowest rated one, so

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01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, and that was actually but I think

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Speaker 1: the last element that we have here for PUK News. Yeah,

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01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: so this was when life gives you Lemon. Lol. This

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Speaker 1: was an interesting analysis by Dylan Buyers. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's accurate or not, but I thought it was

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01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 1: an interesting way to look at it. He said, Listen,

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01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: the audience that watches cable news is growing older and

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Speaker 1: it's growing smaller. Zucker, who's now of course ousted, may

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01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: have felt confident he could have fought that trend, but

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Speaker 1: licked strategy is to embrace it. So basically what he's

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Speaker 1: arguing here, Dylan Buyers is that he's not even though

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01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: they say this is a mass appeal play, He's really

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01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: not going for the mass appeal play. He is trying

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Speaker 1: to appeal to this, you know, the normans that are

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Speaker 1: still watching cable news, like the older retirees who are

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01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: still watching cable news. Is trying to pair back expenses

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Speaker 1: and make it less costly and basically, you know, make

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Speaker 1: it financially viable in a future where ratings are not

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Speaker 1: coming back. So I thought that was an interesting insight

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01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,799
Speaker 1: into potentially what he is ultimately thinking here. That's smart,

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01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: That could be a smart way to look at it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the other one is that Lemon

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01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 1: was a huge pain the ass he needed to kind

1434
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: of quote get rid of him, put him in a

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01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: less high profile role. He also seems to have a

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01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: real thing against Brionna Keeler, which they talk a lot

1437
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: about in that piece who we played earlier, the woman thing.

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01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: I don't blame him. I also find her very unpleasant

1439
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: to watch, so I guess I also would want to

1440
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: get rid of her in the morning, right. But it's

1441
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: not like Poppy Harlowe is Poppy Hart's exactly to me.

1442
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't know where this is all coming from. I mean, look,

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01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: Kaitlin is actually quite good at her job. She's going

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01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: to be like a roving correspondent type. I think he

1445
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,719
Speaker 1: should be fine at that. I mean, that's that's good

1446
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: moving on from the White House, so you know, she'll

1447
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 1: probably just be traveling a lot like the hurricane person.

1448
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 1: You know, I'm here on whatever. That's a fine gig.

1449
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, like what they

1450
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: point to is, and he actually says this, He's like, well,

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01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:43,520
Speaker 1: Chris Slick is going for the competition of muted screens

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Speaker 1: and airports, and here on K Street. I couldn't find

1453
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: a better way to describe it, which is that even

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01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: morning show television CNN, what they say is there's only

1455
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: way up because at best only four hundred thousand people

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01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: are watching it in the morning, and about less than

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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand of them are in the key demographic,

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01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 1: which is all that matters. I mean that's like, you know,

1459
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: a tenth or whatever of whatever happens here on breaking

1460
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: about how much they spend right, I mean millions of

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01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: dollars and promotion in the set in the quote unquote talent,

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01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 1: I mean the whole thing all in. It's just mind

1463
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: boggling how much money they spend to achieve such incredibly

1464
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: poor results. It really is incredible. There's another article out

1465
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Speaker 1: about the fact that the Sunday shows are dying too.

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Speaker 1: They can't book like high level guests. Nobody's watching. It's

1467
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Speaker 1: not I mean, the Sunday shows used to be like

1468
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: this set the agenda and this is where the news

1469
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: was made in all of this. But it's just a

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Speaker 1: totally different world. And you know, it becomes a self

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Speaker 1: fulfilling prophecy where it's like, Okay, they can't get the

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Speaker 1: big guests and they can't break the big news, and

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Speaker 1: so there's even less reason for people to try to

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Speaker 1: it and watch, and it becomes a downward spiral. You

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01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: see this playing out really across all of network news

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01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: and cable news frankly, where there's just there's so many

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Speaker 1: other options. It's so boring and predictable. They've gotten so

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01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 1: many key moments so incredibly wrong. But yeah, if that's

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Speaker 1: the strategy, is just to kind of like pair back

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Speaker 1: expenses and make it cheaper and try to hold on

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Speaker 1: to the relatively small audiences that they have, I guess

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Speaker 1: it's not the dumbest play in the world. Completely. My

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01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: favorite term with regards to the Sunday shows, I think

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01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: you taught me this is the full Ginsburg Yeah right,

1485
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 1: where named after the lawyer for Monica Lewinsky who went

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01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 1: on all six Sunday shows back when people cared about

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01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 1: such things. Yeah, I mean, I can't even tell you

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01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 1: it was on Fox New Sunday even five years ago.

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01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 1: That used to be kind of a big deal. Now yeah. Nothing.

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01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: By the way, the person there that's being floated for

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01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: Don Lemon's replacement in the evening, who is it? Casey Hunt?

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01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that'll be a fun one to celebrate, sire.

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01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: What are you looking at? I spend a lot of

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01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 1: time here criticizing Joe Biden rightfully, so I think it's

1495
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: always important, as we did with Trump or though with

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01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 1: any politician, if they do something right or in the

1497
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 1: right direction. Let's give them as much due attention and

1498
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: highlight how they're new victim could spur another more important

1499
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: step that is vital for our country. Let's start with

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01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: the good and important news. If you'll recall the Chips Act,

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01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: which spurred billions of dollars in new investment for the

1502
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 1: semiconductor industry here in the US, there were a few

1503
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 1: big engaping problems. First amongst them was that while the

1504
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 1: bill itself was designed to protect the US competition for

1505
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: China in the critical chip sector, it didn't include enough

1506
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 1: provisions to actually stop Chinese money from infiltrating US supply chains.

1507
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 1: It gets really complicated in the exact legal language, but

1508
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 1: it was enough that more than a few GOP senators

1509
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 1: who are pro chips investment voted against the bill. Mostly,

1510
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 1: it seemed like standard issue Washington corruption, but apparently at

1511
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 1: the bare minimum, the Biden administration did take notice after

1512
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 1: Congress on behalf of Chinese interests, took out anti Chinese

1513
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: protections from the bill they drafted, and have now signed

1514
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: an executive order mimicking what that law would have originally done,

1515
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: beefing up one of the most important and unknown parts

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01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: of the US government the Committee on Foreign Investments in

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01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 1: the United States, known in DC by the Act Syfius.

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01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 1: Cyphius has a mandate from Congress to block US foreign

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01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,919
Speaker 1: investment in companies that have a direct impact on national security,

1520
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: think like a rate Theon or on North of Grumman.

1521
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 1: It's been limited in scope, and criticals critics like myself,

1522
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 1: for years have alleged Syphius has been approving transactions clearly

1523
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,679
Speaker 1: designed to undermine the US but have bowed to corporate pressure.

1524
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: A new order direct Scifius to consider whether any pending

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01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,440
Speaker 1: deal in US markets involves the purchase of a business

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01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: to access with two American sensitive data, and specifically whether

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01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 1: data has dual use purposes for business could also be

1528
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: exploited by a foreign government. This new direction comes amid

1529
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: a flurry of new signs the Biden administration, while far

1530
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: too slow to act in my opinion, may actually be

1531
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 1: considering either a total ban on TikTok or a forced

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01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 1: sale of the Chinese company to one controlled by a

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01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: US corporation. The data provisions in Sophius, in my opinion,

1534
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: should have been law years and years ago, and it

1535
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,600
Speaker 1: also highlights how incompetent the Trump administration of it was.

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01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 1: Remember when Trump said he would ban TikTok, but then

1537
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: he tried to do so in the dumbest way possible,

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01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: resulting the existence of the service and its continued domination

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01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 1: in US markets. Breaking points remembers. Trump also failed on

1540
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: multiple occasions thanks to certain of failed Sun's son in

1541
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,799
Speaker 1: law to beef upsifius and continued review of US investments

1542
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 1: in China. His incompetence aside, the case for banning or

1543
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 1: spanning TikTok off has been quadrupled in years since that

1544
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: was considered to review. The case is actually quite simple.

1545
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 1: In China, there is no such thing as private business.

1546
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 1: National security laws in the books which have already been

1547
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: used against TikTok's parent company byke Dance may clear their

1548
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: data belongs to the Chinese state, not to them privately.

1549
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: They exist at the pleasure of the CCP and nothing more. Thus,

1550
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 1: when TikTok claims its data and its companies are separate

1551
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 1: from its overall Chinese operations, it's laughable. The basic truth

1552
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:49,759
Speaker 1: is that one of the most used and most downloaded

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01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,919
Speaker 1: apps in the United States, especially amongst teenagers, is controlled

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01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: directly by a foreign adversary, and the proof of this

1555
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: has been solid since twenty nineteen, but like I said,

1556
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 1: only grows day by day. In June, I covered that

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01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 1: investigation that showed direct audio proof. TikTok lied to the

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01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 1: US Congress about has processes in place to keep the

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01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: Beijing parent company without control over TikTok the audio proof. Internally,

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01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: TikTok routinely acknowledges how in control Beijing is of their

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01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: day to day operations, and a new profile though of

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01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 1: TikTok's quote unquote ceo, also hammers home this point. TikTok

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01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: hired several CEOs in the last several years with a

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01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 1: chief mission of fooling US regulators and consumers that it

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01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 1: is not straight up controlled by China. They first hired

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01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 1: a long time executive from the Walt Disney Company and

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01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,759
Speaker 1: since have hired Singaporean citizens Shaoshi Chew. Now, the smoke

1568
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:40,719
Speaker 1: screen was, well, he's Singaporean, it's cool, it's a US ally.

1569
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,839
Speaker 1: Yet when you look under the hood, it's exact same scenario.

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01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 1: Chew turns out doesn't run the damn thing at TikTok.

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01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 1: Decisions on everything from live streaming to shopping are made

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01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:54,799
Speaker 1: by Jiang Ziming this mysterious multi billionaire founder of TikTok

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01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 1: and ByteDance, its parent corporation. In fact, the most critical

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01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 1: part of the company, TikTok's research and dev alopment team,

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01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 1: as well as their growth and strategy team, report directly

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01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 1: to Beijing, not to the CEO. They have no reporting

1577
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:10,759
Speaker 1: lines whatsoever to the supposed CEO of the company. TikTok

1578
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 1: shamelessness was best on display when their chief operating officer,

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01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: who used to work at YouTube, testified before Congress on Thursday,

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01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: where she would not definitively say that the company would

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01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: cut off data and metadata flows to China. Just take

1582
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 1: a listen her own words. Can you make the commitment

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01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 1: though that I just asked you to make, that you

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01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 1: will commit to cutting off all data and metadata flows

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01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 1: to China, Chinese based TikTok employees, by Dance employees, or

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01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 1: any other party located in China. What I can commit

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01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: to is that our final agreement with the US government

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01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 1: will satisfy old national security concents. Yes, but you won't

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01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 1: make a commitment to agree to what I have now

1590
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: twice asked you. Got sorry, given the confidentiality of Siphius,

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01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 1: I'm not able to talk specifically about that agreement on

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01:18:54,800 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 1: that happy she would make the commitment today, will you

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01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: make that commitment? I am committing to what I've stated,

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01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 1: which is we are working with the United States government

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01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: on a resolve through the scifious process in which we

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01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 1: will continue to minimize that data as well as working

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01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,759
Speaker 1: with Oracle to protect that data in the United States.

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01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 1: That is corporate speak for no, we won't commit to it.

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01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 1: So it's actually simple. The company claims that despite being

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01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 1: wholly owned outright and controlled by China, they are not

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01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 1: controlled by China. When asked under oath if they'll stop

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01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:32,560
Speaker 1: sending them data, they're not going to say yes. It

1603
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 1: seems cut and dry. The longer we draw this out,

1604
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: the more it makes a mockery of our country and

1605
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: how weak we are that has taken us this long

1606
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: to even get the conversation to a place where it

1607
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: is being considered. I'm just gonna end with this. A

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01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: situation is making it clear as day why TikTok either

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01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,680
Speaker 1: needs to go or needs a forced sale. Now in

1610
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, a Chinese news aggregator, which I'm not going

1611
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 1: to try and pronounce on, is chow Cho owned and

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01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 1: operated by by Dance. The same company that owns TikTok

1613
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 1: was literally shut down overnight, despite being one of the

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01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: largest in the entire country of China. The reason why

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01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 1: because the CCP said it was causing too much social

1616
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 1: disruption to their liking and they just decided to nuke

1617
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 1: it overnight. In his bid to keep the job, Jiang Jiming,

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01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: the current controller of TikTok, wrote in an open letter

1619
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 1: in Chinese. Here's what he wrote, quote, the product has

1620
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 1: gone astray posting content that goes against socialist core values.

1621
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: It's all on me. I accept all the punishment since

1622
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: it failed to direct public opinion in the right way.

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01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: Do we need more proof? The guy literally said his

1624
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 1: content should promote CCP values and should quote direct public

1625
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: opinion in the way that they wanted. If you think

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01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 1: that isn't at play here in our country when the

1627
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 1: same guy literally owns TikTok, you're delusional. TikTok needs to

1628
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 1: go or be spun off. Biden administration needs to capitalize

1629
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:51,599
Speaker 1: on the newfound momentum and just do all of us

1630
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 1: a favor to make us safer. I mean, I just

1631
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 1: think it's very basic, crystal and look I mean, I've

1632
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 1: come around to these and if you want to hear

1633
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 1: my reaction to Sager's monologue, become a pre WIAM subscriber

1634
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 1: today at breakingpoints dot com, Crystal, what do you take

1635
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 1: a look at? Well, Guys, After a traumatic showdown last week,

1636
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: our nation's railroads were kept open by a last minute

1637
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: deal that was struck between rail bosses and union leaders

1638
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 1: that was in meetings that were led by the Biden administration.

1639
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 1: So President Biden released a triumphant statement saying that the

1640
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 1: deal was quote a big win for workers. Most of

1641
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 1: the media took the bait, declaring the crisis over. Hardly

1642
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 1: surprising given that they were so late to this story

1643
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,679
Speaker 1: and did such a terrible job of covering it, parroting

1644
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 1: corporate talking points about the potential economic impact of a

1645
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 1: strike without giving any space to the worker's entirely legitimate concerns,

1646
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 1: while also ignoring how rail bosses were actually the ones

1647
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,679
Speaker 1: holding the entire economy hostage. You tried to pressure Congress

1648
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 1: was crazy. After the tenet of agreement was negotiated, Biden

1649
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 1: himself went on sixty minutes, was thrown a totally softball question,

1650
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 1: and all but declared mission accomplished. Mister President, you have

1651
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 1: just averted a nationwide railroad strike that would have been

1652
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 1: crippling to the economy. How did you do that and

1653
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,719
Speaker 1: what were those last hours like in the negotiations. Look,

1654
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 1: we brought business and labor together. One of the things

1655
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 1: that happens in negotiations, particularly if they've been elongated like

1656
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 1: these have, is people saying do things where their pride

1657
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: gets engaged as well, and it's allful hard to back

1658
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 1: off of some of these things. So what we did

1659
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 1: was just say, look, let's take a look. Let's take

1660
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: a look at what's happening. You have a good deal

1661
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 1: being made for labor, for their income is going to

1662
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: go up twenty four percent over the next five years.

1663
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: They've worked out the healthcare piece, they worked out days off,

1664
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 1: and they both sat down, in my view, and they

1665
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 1: ran the office today saying, well, we finally figured out

1666
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 1: this is fair on both sides. And it took that

1667
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: time to focus. The alternative was just not thinkable. What

1668
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 1: do you mean if in fact they had gone on

1669
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:07,680
Speaker 1: strike to supply a change in this country has come

1670
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: to Screech and Hall, we would have seen a real

1671
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 1: economic crisis. But since that Victory Lap something strange has happened.

1672
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 1: The details of that deal have remained hidden. We still

1673
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 1: don't know what exactly is in that tentative agreement, and

1674
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 1: more importantly, the rail workers who will ultimately ratify or

1675
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: reject this tentative agreement, they still don't have the details. Now,

1676
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: some things have been reported by the press, but workers

1677
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 1: have far from a complete picture. Why does that matter?

1678
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 1: While Jonah Furman put it well, he wrote, the thing

1679
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 1: is negotiations rely to some extent on momentum. Members were

1680
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,679
Speaker 1: extremely fired up. They had pickets, teams organized, They felt

1681
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:42,799
Speaker 1: confident in their demands and knew what they were holding

1682
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 1: out for. Calling it off without anything to discuss is

1683
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 1: like icing the kicker. So we're being told by the

1684
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: Biden administration, backed up by much of the media, that

1685
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 1: this is a good deal. But workers, they have some

1686
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 1: severe doubts. What's more, the reaction to the details we

1687
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 1: do have has been overwhelmingly negative. One example, workers had

1688
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 1: asked for fifteen paid days off. This agreement reportedly only

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01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 1: includes one. Details on healthcare and unpaid time off, those

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01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 1: remain murky. A locomotive engineer told the Post quote, it's

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01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 1: impossible right now to make heads or tails of what

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01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 1: this agreement means, and it's disgraceful how opaque it is.

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01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 1: Even the best case scenario does not look like a

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01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 1: massive victory for labor, but the devil is in the details.

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01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: The worst case scenario could be quite awful. Another worker

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01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 1: posted on Facebook, quote, why is our union posting this

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01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 1: like this is some kind of game changing deal? One day?

1698
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 1: Is laughable? We need to strike. Meanwhile, workers on Twitter

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01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 1: shared stories about being penalized for taking time off to

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01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 1: witness the birth of their child, or for taking care

1701
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,600
Speaker 1: of their sick child, or for the crime of themselves

1702
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 1: being sick. These issues are not just issued for the workers,

1703
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 1: by the way, they are safety issues with potential real

1704
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 1: life consequences. One worker wrote about how she was quote

1705
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 1: forced to take a non compensated day because there is

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01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: no way I can drive a fifteen thousand foot TI

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01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 1: twelve thousand ton trained two hundred and fifty six miles

1708
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 1: safely while having a fever and puking my guts up.

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01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 1: Seems reasonable bottom line. While much of the media and

1710
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 1: political class has already forgotten about these workers in their lives,

1711
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 1: the fight is far from over, and after whatever the

1712
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,719
Speaker 1: current cooling off period is we might be right back

1713
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 1: in the same place, facing down a deadline, with rail

1714
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 1: bosses willing to commit corporate terrorism and risk the entire

1715
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 1: economy in order to get their way. We will certainly

1716
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,599
Speaker 1: not stop covering it here, but you know, I can't

1717
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 1: help but think about the big picture here as well.

1718
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 1: In the utter insanity of having such a critical piece

1719
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 1: of national infrastructure, vital for everyone from commuters to farmers

1720
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 1: of businesses subject to the whims of a few rich executives. Remember,

1721
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: not only these companies not care about their workers, they

1722
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 1: also don't care about the supply chain, about farmers getting

1723
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 1: their crops to market, about water treatment facilities getting the

1724
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 1: chemicals they need, about commuters getting to work who depend

1725
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: on the freight rail lines. They care about profit. That's

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01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 1: why they've given themselves massive handouts and stock buybacks and

1727
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 1: dividends rather than investing in an adequate workforce. That's why

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01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 1: they're perfectly willing to threaten the entire nation with economic

1729
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 1: calamity just to keep from having to treat their workers

1730
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 1: with basic decency. Now to us, such a thing might

1731
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 1: be unimaginable, the height of unchecked greed and immorality, but

1732
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 1: to them, it's just business as usual. A veteran train

1733
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 1: dispatcher who pen and op ed for our friends over

1734
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 1: the Real News implored Americans to consider that big picture.

1735
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 1: He wrote, I can understand why people around the country

1736
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: are concerned about the calamitous impact a national rail striker

1737
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 1: rail lockout could have on the economy and an already

1738
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 1: creaking supply chain. What I hope people understand in return,

1739
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: is that railroad workers are the ones fighting to save

1740
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:42,679
Speaker 1: what is left of the supply chain from the same

1741
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 1: corporate greed that has upended the nation's freight rail industry.

1742
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 1: If you stand with us, we can win. Sounds like

1743
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 1: a pretty good plan to me. Step one, continue to

1744
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 1: stand with these workers who are still very much in

1745
01:26:55,800 --> 01:27:00,080
Speaker 1: this fight. Step two, reform this monstrous system. These our

1746
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,879
Speaker 1: road bosses can never hold the nation hostage to protect

1747
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: their own cruelty. Again, Sager, it was pretty remarkable. You

1748
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 1: saw the way that quick and if you want to

1749
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber

1750
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 1: today at Breakingpoints dot Com. No guest today. We wanted

1751
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 1: to talk and spend some time talking about Atlanta, so

1752
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. We really appreciate it.

1753
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 1: As we said, we've got the Counterpoints discount discount going

1754
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 1: on right now. We gave you a little taste of

1755
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 1: what it was like in Atlanta if you want to

1756
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 1: come and join us in Chicago, if you're in the Midwest.

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01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 1: It was a hell of a lot of fun and

1758
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 1: we learned a lot of lessons. So otherwise, we will

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01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 1: see you all on Tuesday. Love you'all, See you tomorrow.