1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: Ben Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you. 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: Rich Martini Beck with US Award winning filmmaker, best selling author, 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: including books She Was Never Lost, the Amelia Earhart Saga. 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 2: After his close friend died in his arms and then 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: came to visit him and members of his family. He's 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: been writing about how it's possible to continue a conversation 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: with the afterlife and someone who is on the other side. Rich, 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: welcome back, my friend. Hi've you been. 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 3: I've been great, Georgia. What a treat to hear your 11 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 3: voice and to be on your show. It's just fantastic. 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: You're one of the good guys. 13 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 3: My friend. Well, you know, I realized the other day 14 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 3: September eleventh, twenty twelve, was the first time I appeared 15 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 3: talking to you, and it's been a real delight every 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 3: time I've been on. All I can say is you're 17 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 3: an icon. 18 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: I love your cover She Was Never Lost. 19 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I listen. I was really about, you know, what 20 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 3: to call this new book, because of course, people have 21 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 3: been telling her story for you know, god knows how 22 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: many years, but the idea was to challenge people when 23 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: they saw the cover she was never lost, because you 24 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 3: can't be lost if you know where you are. And 25 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 3: that's been the issue all along, where people haven't really 26 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 3: looked at her point of view. What happened to her? 27 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 3: And is it possible that we can find out by 28 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 3: asking people that saw her? Can we ask people who 29 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 3: knew her? Can we look at like detailed records, and 30 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: can we ask her directly? That's that's the conundrum. And 31 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,919 Speaker 3: what I found, as you know, George, what I found 32 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 3: is that if we try really hard, we can ask 33 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 3: questions to people on the other side and get answers. 34 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: But even then we have to then research the answers 35 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 3: and see how accurate they are. So I go ahead. 36 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: Why did you get in interested in her? 37 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: That's a great question, George. It was so many years 38 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,919 Speaker 3: ago that a friend of mine wrote me a letter 39 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: after my second feature film, Limit Up, and she said, 40 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 3: you should do a movie about Emelia Earhart. No one 41 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: had at the point a point in time, so I 42 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 3: researched it and this girl came out. Abby Adams, my 43 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 3: old pal, and we wrote a screenplay in a weekend 44 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 3: and on Monday I was told that Diane Keaton was 45 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 3: going to make the movie, and I was in shock 46 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 3: because I hadn't even checked for typos. But then, of 47 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 3: course his Hollywood works. By the end of the week, 48 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 3: Diane Keaton hired another writer and they had kicked us 49 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 3: to the curb. And so I had gotten interested in 50 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 3: the story, and it just kept coming back over the years, 51 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 3: and eventually it was one of these things where I 52 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 3: was working on a movie in New York City with 53 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: Bill Noys and Angelina Joe Lee movie called Salt. A 54 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 3: Friend of Mine, Yeah, remember that, the spy thriller. Friend 55 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: of Mine introduced me to a medium named Patty Kenova. 56 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: She is known as the Medium to the mob she 57 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 3: was in those days, and I read her treatment. It 58 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 3: was very interesting and I gave her some notes and 59 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: after the reading, she said, I'd love to do a 60 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 3: Tarot card reading with you. And I said, look, I 61 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: don't believe in that stuff, so you don't really need 62 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 3: to and she said, no, it's what I do. So 63 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 3: she took got a regular deck of cards, flipped some 64 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: over and she said, you're writing a movie about a 65 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 3: female pilot, is it? Amelia air Hurt? And I looked 66 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 3: at my friend who had brought her to the table. 67 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: Like you know, when a magician does a trick, you 68 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 3: can't quite believe how could she possibly have known that? 69 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: And then what I decided to do is instead of 70 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 3: arguing of myself that it wasn't possible, I decided to 71 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: ask her questions. And she gave me such detailed information 72 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 3: that was very close to the research I had done, 73 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 3: and in fact it was more information. And then some 74 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: years later I ran into doctor at Least med who's 75 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 3: you know her, She's been on the show and she 76 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 3: was working with Jamie Butler, and she told me about 77 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 3: her work where she was talking to her son in 78 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 3: the afterlife interviewing people. And I said, oh, you should 79 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 3: interview Amelia Earhart and doctor Medow said, we're talking to 80 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: her on Tuesday. So I said, can I look at 81 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 3: you questions? And she had, you know, the Wikipedia questions, 82 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 3: you know where you lost at sea and blah blah blah, 83 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 3: And I said, do you mind if I supply the question? 84 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 3: So I supplied questions based on what Patty Kenoba told 85 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 3: me that she was the love of her life was 86 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 3: a woman and that it was a painter and other 87 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 3: details and so In that interview, I was not in 88 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 3: the room. Jamie Butler was talking to Amelia, and all 89 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 3: of the things that I asked Amelia answered. But when 90 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 3: I got to the point of what happened to you? 91 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 3: Where did you die or how did you die? Amelia's 92 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 3: answer was, I don't really want to talk about that 93 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 3: right now, but if the person who asked wrote this 94 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 3: question wants to speak to me, I'll do that now. 95 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 3: I wasn't really paying attention to the answer until I 96 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 3: did a transcript and I wrote it down and I realized, 97 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 3: oh my gosh, she's talking about me. And then it 98 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: was some years later that I met Jennifer Schaeffer, you know, 99 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 3: the medium that works in Manhattan Beach. They're doing a 100 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 3: series about her now and she and I met up 101 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: just casually. But at first I said to her, look, 102 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 3: I don't understand mediumship. I don't know what that is. 103 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 3: And she said, well, I helped law enforcement with missing 104 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 3: person cases, ding and my head a bell went off 105 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 3: and said, how'd you like to work on the most 106 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: famous missing person case in history? I didn't say who 107 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 3: it was, took my cameras over to her office, and 108 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 3: for three hours I spoke to somebody who knew as 109 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 3: much as I did after thirty years of research, which 110 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 3: included details which included the stuff that Patty Canova had said, 111 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 3: which included the stuff that Jamie Butler had said, including 112 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 3: where she died, how she died. I had just come 113 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 3: back from Saipan, and she confirmed all the details that 114 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 3: I had already gathered. That she had landed the plane 115 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 3: in Miliatoll, that she had been arrested by the Japanese, 116 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: that she had been taken to Sipan, which was the 117 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: military headquarters. She was incarcerated there. But the shocking thing 118 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 3: that came out of that conversation was to learn that 119 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: she survived seven years. And while I was on Sidpan, 120 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,679 Speaker 3: I had interviewed a couple of guys who had seen 121 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 3: her on the back of a truck in May of 122 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 3: nineteen forty four, along with two American pilots who have 123 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 3: been shot down. Those American pilots are part of a 124 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 3: historical record. They were executed and their bodies were exhumed. 125 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 3: But she was on this truck with those two guys, 126 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 3: and people on Saipan had seen her on that truck 127 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 3: in May of nineteen forty four, So That was the 128 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 3: big question I had for Amelia. You survived all that time, 129 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: and not only did she tell us that, she revealed 130 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 3: where she her body was buried and where Catholic nuns 131 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 3: had moved her body to another place on the island, 132 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: you know. And it was fascinating because I knew that 133 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: that historical record, Fred Gerner had written about these two 134 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: gis who had dug up her body. That's the way 135 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 3: it was put back in nineteen sixty five. He wrote 136 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 3: about that. And while I'm talking to Emilia, she Jennifer 137 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 3: Schaeffer says to me, she says, those guys, when they 138 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: dug up my body, they only found an arm. I 139 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: didn't know that, and it took me six months to 140 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: find that those that is what those guys had said. 141 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 3: But here's the odd, you know, everything's odd. When I 142 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: got to the end of the conversation, my phone rang 143 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 3: and it was an ANTSB investigator from Seattle telling me 144 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: he had just looked over a private investigator's details and 145 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 3: research and he said, Rich, everything you told me about 146 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 3: Earhart's in there, he said, except when they dug up 147 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 3: her body, they only found an And I had just 148 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: heard that from Amelia herself. So since then and that 149 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: was it some years ago. And since then, Jennifer and 150 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: I have been doing a podcast. We meet together once 151 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: a week for the past ten years, talking to people 152 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 3: off stage, and Amelia has shown up many times, and 153 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 3: sometimes she brings people with her to the conversation. For example, 154 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: she said, I'm here with a movie producer, and I said, 155 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 3: is it Carl Lemley. People don't know that Carl Lemley 156 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 3: was the guy who founded Universal Pictures. He hired Amelia 157 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 3: to write a movie Alogan Mary Pickford, and he told her, 158 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 3: if you take this last flight, you know your movie career. 159 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 3: Is that going to happen? Which was true. But he 160 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 3: hired her to write the movie. And I have some 161 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 3: of the script because George Putnam published it years later. 162 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 3: But here was Carl Lemley talking to me about what 163 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 3: it was like for him. He died in nineteen thirty nine. 164 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 3: He was talking about what it was like in the afterlife. 165 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: He talks about being able to fly at the speed 166 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 3: of thought, of being able to travel to other dimensions 167 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 3: and realms. He said, when people get bored doing all 168 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 3: the amazing things you can do over here, that's when 169 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 3: they decided to reincarnate, which I thought was an unusual 170 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 3: way to put it. 171 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 2: She was born in eighteen ninety seven. I couldn't remember 172 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 2: how long ago that was for her. 173 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and you know, if you think about you 174 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 3: think about this as time march is on you and I. 175 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 3: We both know. As I get older, I start to realize, oh, 176 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 3: you know, my parents are born in the twenties, okay, 177 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 3: and then Amelia was born in the eighteen nineties, and 178 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 3: it goes back, and we sort of have this idea 179 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 3: of time being so out of step with who we are. 180 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 3: But in the research, what I find is that twenty 181 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 3: five years on earth feels like five or ten minutes 182 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 3: to people off stage, people on the flip side. So 183 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 3: for us to talk about Amelia, who disappeared in nineteen 184 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 3: thirty seven and passed away from dysentery in nineteen forty four, 185 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: we think of that as a long time ago for her. 186 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 3: It feels like it was let's say, an hour ago 187 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 3: or a couple hours ago. 188 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 2: Why did they keep her rich? Why didn't they let 189 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: her go? 190 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 3: Well, i'll tell you the two of them. When they 191 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 3: were when they came down a miliotoll, they were arrested 192 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 3: they were treated for wounds and then they were transported, 193 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 3: both her and Fred Nonan the navigator, and Fred, according 194 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 3: to eyewitnesses, was executed by the Japanese. According to our 195 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: interview with Fred, sorry to make them laugh about that, 196 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 3: but on our interview with Fred, he said he was 197 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 3: executed because he was the one who told the Japanese 198 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 3: he was the spy, and he took the fall for 199 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 3: Amelia because they were looking for somebody spying, and so 200 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 3: he sacrificed himself. He died and he was cremated and 201 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 3: his ashes were put in the ground, and they kept 202 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 3: Amelia as a playing card because they thought they could 203 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: use her at some point in the future. It's just 204 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 3: as time marched on. Seven years went by. That wasn't 205 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 3: that wasn't able to happen. You know. It's fascinating because 206 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 3: George Putnam, her husband, he had her declared dead in 207 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 3: nineteen thirty seven, and then years later in nineteen forty four, 208 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 3: when he was in the Army Air Corps, he put 209 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 3: in for a leave when he was stationed on Tinian, 210 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 3: which is right next to Sidepan, and he went to 211 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 3: Sidepan for two weeks and he drove around asking questions 212 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 3: about her. And this was just literally months after she 213 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 3: passed away, so it was go ahead. 214 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 2: Did Roosevelt know she was still alive? 215 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 3: You know? That's now? How do I know that question? 216 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 3: It's because I asked him on the flip side, you know, 217 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 3: we had we had a conversation with him. He said 218 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 3: from the flip side that he was not aware of it. 219 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 3: They didn't tell him that she had been captured. He 220 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 3: wasn't aware of it until later, So I think he 221 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 3: meant before he passed away. It was eleanor his wife, 222 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 3: who was adamant about finding out what happened to her, 223 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 3: And what she learned is that the men that were 224 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 3: in charge of her entire mission felt she was expendable, 225 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 3: meaning it wasn't that big of a deal that a 226 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: pilot gets lost when you're dealing with World War Two, 227 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 3: and the fact that she had been found. They found 228 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 3: her plane in July of nineteen forty four, and I 229 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: interviewed the marine who decoded the message. I interviewed the 230 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 3: marine who guarded that plane. I interviewed the marine who 231 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 3: found her briefcase and passport. They did what they did 232 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 3: was they held out of the plane for two or 233 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 3: three weeks they actually flew it and then they destroyed it. 234 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 3: And there's other marines who've seen that, who were there 235 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 3: witness it. That's all in the book. These are all 236 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 3: people who saw the US military destroy the plane. People 237 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 3: always ask me why would they do that, And the 238 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 3: answer is, you're in the middle of a war. If 239 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 3: you have to stop to argue or talk about what 240 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 3: she was doing there, that's a problem. And so instead 241 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 3: of of revealing that she was there, they just destroyed 242 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 3: the plane. However, it was pushed off the runway with 243 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 3: all the other planes, and the steel frame from the 244 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 3: Electra is there and buried there. And I've seen the 245 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 3: spot where it's buried. And as I mentioned, the NTSP 246 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: guy Jim Hayton said to me, if you go back 247 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 3: there with round training radar, you'll be able to measure 248 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 3: the steel and it's an exact measurement her frame, So 249 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: it wouldn't be that hard to. 250 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: Find what caused your plane to go down? 251 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 3: Rich it was. It was that she was running out 252 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 3: of fuel. So here was an issue with Amelia. In 253 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 3: one of her foibles, she was constantly drifting off her course. 254 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 3: She did that in Burbank with Paul Mantz when she 255 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: first flew the electric two hundred fifty miles. Then she 256 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 3: did that while she was flying. Actually, when she flew 257 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 3: across the Atlantic, she was supposed to go to Paris 258 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 3: and she wound up in Ireland. But also with on 259 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: the around the World trip, she was two hundred and 260 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 3: fifty miles off her course when she realized I think 261 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 3: it was in Karachi they were trying to land, so 262 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 3: she constantly did that. So when she was flying to 263 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 3: Howland Island, I don't think she realized she was two 264 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 3: hundred fifty miles northwest of where she was supposed to be. 265 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 3: So when she turned to go to Gardner Island, which 266 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 3: was the backup plan, she instead went two hundred fifty 267 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 3: miles northwest of Gardner Island, which is Miliatole, and that's 268 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 3: where she brought the plane down. She looked for a 269 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: place to land, and she did one of the most 270 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: amazing feats in aviation history. She landed that plane on 271 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 3: a coral reef and it tore up the fuselage. And 272 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 3: Dick spink His unless Kinney have both been to that 273 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 3: island and retrieved pieces of the Electra Wow that have 274 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 3: been verified by Jim Hayten. This into sp guy up 275 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: in Seattle. I've filmed him like showing me where the 276 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 3: pieces that they found fit on her engine, because he 277 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: had an exact replica. So those things are known facts. 278 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 3: They're not coming from the flip side. What I do 279 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 3: when I talk to people on the flip side is 280 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 3: I have them verify is this right or is this wrong? 281 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 3: Or tell me how can I learn more about it? 282 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 3: And that's how this book came about. 283 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: Now, when you say she was buried and they found 284 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: an arm, what happened to the rest of the body. 285 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 3: It's a great question because you know in all these 286 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 3: stories about Henson and Burke, these two gis digging up 287 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: her body. They go, they were there digging up fred 288 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 3: and Amelia Well in the UPI report in nineteen seventy 289 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 3: seven Chicago Tribune and they said, oh, you know, by 290 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 3: the way, we only found an arm, a partial rib cage, 291 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 3: and a canister of ash ashes. Those ashes were friends. 292 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 3: The partial rib cage and an arm were Amelias. What 293 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: happened was Catholic nuns who took care of her when 294 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 3: she was dying. They knew the Japanese had buried her 295 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 3: in a pit, and so they moved her to an 296 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 3: appropriate place, which in the book shows where that place is. 297 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 3: It's right next to the Catholic Cemetery. It wasn't marked, 298 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 3: but I've marked it now. So if somebody wants to 299 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 3: go there and dig up her skull and the rest 300 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 3: of her bones, She's agreed that that's something that someone 301 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 3: could do, and it'll prove exactly what I'm saying, that 302 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 3: her body's still there, her plane is still there, and 303 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 3: she still exists because I got all this information from 304 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: her off stage. Amazing. 305 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: Would DNA work? 306 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so. But of course we have teeth, 307 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 3: you know, you can there, you know, dental records, there's 308 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 3: all that stuff, and I'm sure there's other stuff to 309 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 3: figure out. I mean, you know, I'm not a forensic guy, 310 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 3: by the way. I it was Tom Divine dug up 311 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 3: a bone when he was there on Sidpen looking for her, 312 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 3: and his wife kept it for many years and she 313 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 3: sent it to me and I ran into Michael Boden, 314 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 3: you know, the famous forensic pathologist, and I said, hey, 315 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 3: can you tell me what this is? I didn't tell 316 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 3: him where it was from, and he said, oh, it's 317 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 3: a cowbone and when you think about that, poor Tom 318 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 3: Divine had you know, kept us since nineteen sixty five 319 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,959 Speaker 3: as if it might be a bone from Amelia airhard. 320 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 3: Of course he never had a you know, examined or study. 321 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 3: But you know, once you dig up where this skull 322 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 3: and bones are, I'm sure everybody in their brother is 323 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 3: going to figure out, you know, forensic tests to find 324 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 3: out is that actually her? But you know, like I say, 325 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 3: I'm talking to her already, so on a regular basis exactly. 326 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 3: She has shown up on our podcast, I swear maybe 327 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 3: a dozen times. And you know, Jennifer, she doesn't. We 328 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 3: don't talk about who's going to be on the show. 329 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 3: We just start the podcast and then she'll say, oh, 330 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 3: Amelia's here, and then I'll say, oh, what does she 331 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 3: want to talk about? She has a problem. Oh this 332 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 3: was interesting. She said, there's a problem you know, on 333 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 3: page the fifth chapter, in paragraph three, you're going to 334 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 3: look at that that's important to look at. Or in 335 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 3: another case, I was showing her a book. I had 336 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 3: a book with me at Vincent Loomis book and and 337 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 3: Emilia said, turn to page forty nine and I opened 338 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 3: it up, and in the book it said that this 339 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 3: guy had redesigned her gas tanks so that she could 340 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 3: fly further. Okay, but Vincent Loomis said the guy's name 341 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 3: was Clarence Beelin. What I did is I looked up 342 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 3: who the guy really was, and it was Kelly. Clarence 343 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 3: Kelly Johnson, the guy who designed the SR seventy one, 344 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 3: the YouTube playing. He did all the CIA skunk works. 345 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 3: His first job was fixing Amelia Earhart's gas tanks. 346 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 347 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam 348 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: dot com for more