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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to Battleground. On this podcast, we talk

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Speaker 1: about news, we talk about politics, sports, culture. This podcast

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Speaker 1: also celebrates the resilience in fortitude of those who faced

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Speaker 1: in overcome adversity. I'm your host Sean Parnell. I'm a

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Speaker 1: combat veteran, I'm a best selling author, and in this

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Speaker 1: episode I had the honor of speaking with Kurt Schlickter.

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Speaker 1: Kurt is an Army combat veteran. He's a columnist for

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Speaker 1: town Hall. He's a fierce lawyer. He writes nonfiction, he

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Speaker 1: writes fiction. He's an author extraordinaire. As former Speaker of

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Speaker 1: the House, Nut Gingrich once said, perseverance is the hard

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Speaker 1: work you do after you get tired of doing the

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Speaker 1: hard work you already did. My conversation with Kurt highlights

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Speaker 1: this exact sentiment, as he shares his experiences in the

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Speaker 1: army and the lessons that he learned about the importance

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Speaker 1: of grit and perseverance, and the leadership lessons that he

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Speaker 1: took and implemented later in life. We also talked about,

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Speaker 1: of course, his political views and that the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: is tired of gentlemen losers. Our party needs to focus

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Speaker 1: on standing by our principles and our beliefs and focus

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Speaker 1: on actually winning elections.

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Speaker 2: And Kurt, of course, also.

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Speaker 1: Shared his memories of meeting the great in legendary Andrew

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Speaker 1: Breitbart and how that encounter changed his life.

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Speaker 2: His story really.

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Speaker 1: Is a testament to the power of determination, toughness, resilience,

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Speaker 1: and I am thrilled to share his many, many insights

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Speaker 1: with our listeners. So, without further ado, I hope you

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Speaker 1: enjoy my conversation with the great Kurt Schlicker, my friend, Kurt.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to battleground Man. Thanks so much for joining me.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: You've also got palm trees in the background. You're in

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Speaker 1: the beautiful state of California, right, Communist California, but you're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little overcast today, but I'll.

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Speaker 1: Live so okay. So I'm sure you've seen the news

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Speaker 1: cycle today, Kurt. You know, Tucker Carlson out, Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: is in for president? What the hell is going on

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Speaker 1: in America right now? Like, I know there's a lot,

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Speaker 1: that's a big question, but like.

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Speaker 3: Are we FCC compliant? Everything's ridiculous and weird. I'm still

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Speaker 3: trying to figure out the Tucker Carlson thing I'm going

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Speaker 3: to write about in my Thursday town Hall column. If

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Speaker 3: you strike down Tucker Carlson, he'll become more powerful than.

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Speaker 2: You can ever imagine that.

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Speaker 3: That's my shout out for the Star Wars Virgin nerds.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know. I don't know exactly know

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Speaker 3: what's going on there except Fox thinks they're better off

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Speaker 3: see how that works. And I've watched a lot of succession.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so you're basically an expert.

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Speaker 3: Yeah I should, I should know everything. I'm just waiting

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Speaker 3: for a Lachlan Murdoch to bust out his own special

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Speaker 3: succession fans. And speaking of succession, I wonder who's going

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Speaker 3: to take over for Joe Biden, because I don't see him.

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Speaker 3: I don't see him complete in the second term.

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Speaker 2: I don't either.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's in his eighties and he's he seems

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Speaker 1: cognitive ability, Kurt is really not a requirement for a

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Speaker 2: In fact, clearly.

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Speaker 1: In fact, in fact, Kurt, like, they basically rigged the

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Speaker 1: whole process, the whole primary process prohibits somebody like any

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Speaker 1: their concept of super delegates. And now we heard, like

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Speaker 2: Debate at all, so they're not going to allow anyone to.

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Speaker 1: Debate Joe Biden, which I guess I mean is smart

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Speaker 1: But like, how what never ceases to amaze me, Curtis.

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Speaker 1: I watched Joe Biden's announcement for president, which is basically

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Speaker 1: even be him, But I don't They continue to trot

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Speaker 1: can't believe people keep falling for it.

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Speaker 2: Man. Well, look.

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Speaker 3: It's a transactional relationship. They get stuff out of them,

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Speaker 3: you know, rich people get richer, dead beats, get free

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Speaker 1: So what do Republicans have to do looking forward to

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four to win? Do they have a chance?

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Speaker 1: I see you talk on Twitter all the time about

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Speaker 3: Don't really, Yeah, I'm completely ruth. You're an army officer too.

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Speaker 3: You know that the S one provides a casualty estimate

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Speaker 3: least not why you're in the process of doing it.

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Speaker 3: I look at politics the same way. I'm completely indifferent

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Speaker 3: So when I see things like Donald Trump saying you

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Speaker 3: need to be loyal to me, no loyalty goes from

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Speaker 3: you to me. You don't get loyalty from me. This

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Speaker 3: is a transactional relationship. What have you done for me lately.

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Speaker 3: The only thing I care about for your past performance

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Speaker 3: may not be. But other than that. So if Donald

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Speaker 3: utterly indifferent to it. I simply don't care. The same

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Speaker 3: If his dreams are shattered, that's too bad. I'm interested

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Speaker 1: And so I'm fascinated by that. And again, like, I

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Speaker 1: see you talking about this all the time. I'm on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: and yes, you are a savage, but oftentimes, oftentimes.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're right. I agree with you, Kurt.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I when I first got in and

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Speaker 1: And my sense was Kurt that the donors are just

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Speaker 3: I look, I'm not here to lose. And the simple

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Speaker 3: fact is we've had three cycles since twenty sixteen. Twenty

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Speaker 3: the Republican establishment doesn't seem to want to get it.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump doesn't seem to want to get I mean,

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Speaker 3: We've done tremendous damage to them after they basically, you know,

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Speaker 3: We have to we have to slow down. Okay, that's

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Speaker 3: loser talk. And uh, the entire base, from donor to individual,

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Speaker 2: They are.

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Speaker 1: And Kurt like, the number one thing that we saw

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Speaker 3: Well, there's there's a couple problems. First, there are the

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Speaker 3: I mean they've they've never conserved anything, and they're always

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Speaker 3: They are the republic. You know, like in school, right

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Speaker 3: That's you know, Goldberg, he's the fact check.

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Speaker 1: Kurt. You you have a anyone that's ever read your

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Speaker 1: town hall columns, by the way, knows this, but you

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Speaker 3: Well, I like I like vibrant imagery. Look, I mean,

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Speaker 3: so you got those guys and remember, they're living out

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Speaker 3: That's's a pose that they have. I'm the conservative guy.

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Speaker 3: the Mitt Romney's, the guys who cover their personal weakness

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Speaker 3: trying to seize the moral high ground. And uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: we're done with it. And Donald Trump is a huge

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Speaker 3: uh DeSantis, because I think it's a two man race.

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Speaker 3: Uh Desantas doesn't care either. Yeah, I mean he, I

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Speaker 3: a terrible idea standing up to corporations. Why, you know,

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Speaker 3: Don't care what they think that. You know, the dude's

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Speaker 1: Today, I want to talk about something that's been on

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Speaker 3: I grew up in suburban San Mateo, suburban near San Francisco.

432
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 3: Back what was really Brady Bunchee. Okay, it's now the

433
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 3: fourth fourth richest county in America, but it wasn't when

434
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 3: I was growing up. Everybody had a station wagon. Most

435
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 3: moms stayed home, kids played on the street. I was

436
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 3: in the woods every day. You know, looking back, I

437
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 3: was really lucky. But I was just always very normal.

438
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: But I was also a Californian, which gives you kind

439
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 3: of a sunny optimism, makes you like punk rock, an alternative,

440
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 3: which went over like a lead below among my military guy.

441
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 3: They just thought I was crazy. They're like, look, at

442
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 3: it the LT listening to his loud music. We eve

443
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: got country or we got sold Country or soult because

444
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 3: rap wasn't is huge then. But I went to UC

445
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: San Diego. I was very bored. I come from a

446
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 3: military family, mostly Navy, and I just decide I wanted

447
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 3: to do some different. I don't want to go off

448
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 3: to law school. My mom had been a lawyer and

449
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 3: a judge. Maybe I would do that later. I just

450
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 3: wanted to do something. I wanted to serve my country.

451
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 3: I mean, I've been a very loud conservative and I

452
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 3: kind of want to put my money where my mouth was.

453
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 2: So I went in You were even a loud conservative

454
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: back then? Oh yeah, Oh I was.

455
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: I was writing for the conservative paper in U See

456
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 3: San Diego. I was one of like eight of them,

457
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 3: and I went in as a private. I had a

458
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 3: degreat one as a private nine Sierra, and I went

459
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 3: immediately to officer cab at school and uh, Oscar can't

460
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: hardest fourteen weeks of my life. I would. I would

461
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 3: literally go back to any war anytime. It's not even

462
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: close the OCS, because you know, a suburban guy, I'd

463
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 3: never really faced anything super hard. But here's a bunch

464
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 3: of people, and they didn't care anything about I was

465
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 3: a top writer, I had a super hot girlfriend already

466
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: cared right, and I've got you know, I got guys

467
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: who grew up on farms. I got guys who grew

468
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 3: up in the inner city, you know, who'd had tough lives,

469
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 3: which I had not. And I, you know, and I

470
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 3: had to either perform or fail, and I, you know,

471
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 3: I squeaked through, and they branched me chemical Core, which

472
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 3: is funny because math has always been my worst subject.

473
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 3: It's the most math intensive of the branches. But I

474
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 3: went I decided, you know, okay, well I'm going to.

475
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: Go with it.

476
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 3: I was the number one grad at my chemical course.

477
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 3: I want the one ranger slot. Of course, they gave

478
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 3: it to the guy who was already Airborne, but they

479
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: sent me to Airborne, so I got my jump points,

480
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: you know. So I'm jumping out airplanes five times just

481
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 3: because I could. And then I go off to Germany

482
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: do the platoon leader thing. I'm about to get out.

483
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 3: The Gulf War starts. I deploy and I washed trucks.

484
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 3: Chemical decontamination platoon assigned to seven Core Headquarters, which in

485
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 3: retrospect was kind of interesting since I was walking through

486
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 3: the command post when radio calls I now read about

487
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: in history books were made, you know, when General Franks

488
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: was telling Colonel Holder of the second Armor Cab to

489
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 3: slow down to let the artillery and aviation fires a

490
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 3: trit the Republican Guard. I'm like listening to these historic radio.

491
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: Calls, which didn't.

492
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 3: Register until like decades later. Then I got out, went

493
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 3: to law school, joined the Guard, immediately went to Angeles Riots.

494
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: I stayed in the guar, you know, did my lawyer

495
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: thing was to stand up and eventually U Eventually I

496
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: found by a guy named Andrew Breitbark, and he said,

497
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 3: why does you write for me?

498
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: And I did, Okay, all right, so let's go back

499
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: to OCS for a second. No, not physically, like you know,

500
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: you don't have to actually go through it again. But

501
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember I graduated from officer basic courses

502
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: there at Fort Benning and I was at Airborne School.

503
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: I was like in that like period just before Airborne

504
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: School had started, so we like we're still getting paid,

505
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: didn't really have a whole lot to do.

506
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: So you're basically like day drinking and.

507
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: What like, sitting on the porch, just watching these these

508
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: poor OCS guys, and they do you have to wear

509
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: the ascot like the little you see you can tell

510
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: these OCS guys because they've got these little shiny helmets

511
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: on and they got this ascot and they're running around

512
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: like chickens with their heads cut off. And we're thinking, like,

513
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: so I was r OTC. I mean, I didn't have

514
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: the chops to go to West Point. I probably couldn't have.

515
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: OCS didn't want to do that either, so I went

516
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: through RTC. But I remember watching these guys thinking like,

517
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: oh my god, it really just thinking like it sucks

518
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: to be them. Thank god I'm not there.

519
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 3: So it was so prummy, and it was every day

520
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: and I would have been number one military grad well hi,

521
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 3: the highest academic, except I invented a new way of

522
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: doing land. Now it wasn't a good way, so I

523
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: blowload it the first time. You get one redo, the

524
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: redo is a month later, and if you fail it,

525
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 3: you're out.

526
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

527
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: When I finally do the redo, and of course I

528
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: didn't blow night land Nam. I did that fun I

529
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: blew day out, which is the dumbest thing ever. But

530
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 3: you know, I'd never had the potential for failing. School

531
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: was always easy for me, great, and tests were easy, great.

532
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 3: But here I'm having to do things, you know, and

533
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: we're peer a value and it's it was really hard

534
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: and it's a constant thing that you can fail, and

535
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 3: a third of people.

536
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: Did, Kurty, that's how fascinating.

537
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's fascinating to hear you say that, because

538
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: I was just talking to one of my daughters about

539
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: this the other day. I mean, she's trying out for

540
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: cheerleading now, and like she's super stressed, and she's looking

541
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: at the whole of cheerleading and thinking this is the

542
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: first time she's ever done it. And she's thinking to

543
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: herself like, oh my gosh, I don't know how I'm

544
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: going to do this, like this whole task, right, And

545
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: I told her about something that I learned in Ranger school,

546
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: like you can't eat you can't eat the elephant all

547
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: in one sitting. You just you just got to focus

548
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: on one task at a time. And and and I

549
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: remember as I was telling that story to her, Kurt,

550
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: I remember exactly what you just described, Like I I

551
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: don't come from a military family, so like when I

552
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: got I went to r OTC. It was like drinking

553
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: from a fire hose and then went to OBC. But

554
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: I remember thinking exactly as you described it, like there's

555
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: a different task every day, lots of different things going on.

556
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: It felt like, you know, if you close your eyes,

557
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: you've got like one hundred TVs in your brain all

558
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: with static. Right, you feel overwhelmed all the time. There's

559
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: a sense of urgency in everything you do. You're being

560
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: evaluated by your teachers, and you're being evaluated by your peers,

561
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: and there are past fail things like if like like legitimately,

562
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: like if you don't pass this four mile run, you're out.

563
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: You know. I never experienced anything like that in my life,

564
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: and I think, Hue, I mean, it sounds like the

565
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: same is true for you. But I think that shape

566
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: the kind of person that I became thereafter.

567
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 3: Oh, oh completely. I find it very hard to get

568
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: intimidated by anything.

569
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: Oh really, really is that true?

570
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 3: Look, I'm no hero, I'm not particularly brave. I just

571
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: know what I can do because I did it, and

572
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: you can. I keep saying, Oh, yes, it's the worst

573
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 3: thing I ever did, and I'm really glad I did it.

574
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 3: I'm glad I did it.

575
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: Not doing it.

576
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: It's past and done. But the thing is, you know,

577
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: and continuing in the army. People ask me, Kurt, how

578
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 3: do you do so many tasks? You know, you write

579
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: books and you're on TV and you're a lawyer. I

580
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: don't feel stressed. A No one's going to get killed

581
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 3: if I screw something up. If I'm laid on a

582
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 3: town hall column, nobody dies, nobody gets nobody loses a limb.

583
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: You know.

584
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: The only thing I was afraid of in the golf

585
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 3: because I was very young, was I was going to

586
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 3: screw some up and get somebody else hurt.

587
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: Amen. God, that was the that weighed on me.

588
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: And uh after I came home and I did nothing. Yeah,

589
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 3: I mean I did nothing, but I did you know,

590
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: I saw the first guy die in front.

591
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: Of me in the both But I was that like

592
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: what was that?

593
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: Like?

594
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: How did that happen? This is this is the this

595
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: is the thing you're sitting here saying to me, like,

596
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: all I did was wash trucks. But then you say

597
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: something like that the.

598
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 3: Stupidest traffic accident caused by the bad planning of the officers,

599
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: not me, thankfully, but I happened to be the guy

600
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 3: who was there when you know, it all ended, and

601
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 3: of course I'd never seen anybody die before. And I

602
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: came back from the golf and I got right out

603
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 3: of the Army after, I mean like literally came to Germany, checked,

604
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 3: you know, did my checkout, went to Jackson, got released,

605
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 3: and I was back in San Mateo, and there's nobody

606
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 3: who knows anything about the military there. Everybody I knew

607
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: had not changed, and I had just gone through a

608
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 3: war as a platoon leader. And I wrote my first

609
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: thing there. I wrote for the Examiner, San Francisco Examiner.

610
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: I got my first thing published, which was, you know,

611
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 3: I'm back in town and it's kind of blowing my mind.

612
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: And for a while it did. I think I probably

613
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 3: partied a little harder than I should have. I would

614
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 3: think back on stuff that happened and just feel nauseous.

615
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 3: It was, you know it. And then I joined the Guard,

616
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: and I'm not sure why I did, because I didn't

617
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 3: like the army officers I were for did not impress me.

618
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 3: And I got the Guard and those guys did. And

619
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: I just went to the funeral one of my generals

620
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 3: this weekend. He you know, what an incredible leader. He

621
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: actually took Rick Roscorla's platoon in the first calf in

622
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: Vietnam Riscola left, he took Rascola's platoon.

623
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:45,479
Speaker 2: Wow.

624
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: But even more impressive, he married the Triskelion Amazon chick

625
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 3: from a star trek, remember her with the silver thing,

626
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: Angelie Petty John. He married her. General Flynn was a

627
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 3: freaking legend.

628
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: About coming home and and and and running up the school.

629
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean, you know, this guy had so

630
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 3: many medals they were continued on the next uniform. But

631
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: you know, I was working with a great guy and

632
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 3: just exactly what kind of leader you wanted, very flamboyant,

633
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 3: and then otherly I went to another leader's event, became

634
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: like a distinguished eagle scout, which apparently not a lot

635
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 3: of eagle scout, and a lot of people get eagle scout,

636
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: and a lot I can look at this and he's

637
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: very quiet and intell and and and smart and cerebral.

638
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: And I just surrounded by these great leaders, and that

639
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: was you know, I was like, I want to be

640
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: like this guy. Well, I don't want to be him.

641
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: I want to take all the good things that I

642
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: see in him that I can use and use them

643
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 3: and I did. I stole as a leader. I stole

644
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: shamelessly from other people.

645
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: I was just going to ask you, what do you think,

646
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: what are your big takeaways? I mean, this is a

647
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Speaker 1: broad question just in terms of leadership and like I mean,

648
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Speaker 1: because clearly, Kurt, you've experienced a lot. Man, I mean,

649
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: just you know you again, you make a joke about it,

650
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: like I washed trucks. But the reality is, when you

651
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: volunteer to serve this country, you know you don't know

652
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: how you're going to serve.

653
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: No, you don't. You know, you don't know what you're

654
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: gonna do.

655
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: You know, I'm ashamed of it. I just don't want

656
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 3: anyone to ever say, Kurt, you're inflating what you did.

657
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 3: I did my job, and I was.

658
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 2: Good at it.

659
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: But I'm not Audie Murphy. I didn't jump on a grenade.

660
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: Nobody shot at me, you know, but I was very

661
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 3: good at what I did. I think when you're looking

662
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: at leadership, the first thing you have to do is

663
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 3: you have to not want to command people in the

664
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 3: sense that you don't get off telling people what to do.

665
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 3: It always bothered me to tell other Americans what to do.

666
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 3: I knew I had to I always felt, you know,

667
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: you have the eagle. I always felt that I was

668
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: leasing that. That's why I always get uncomfortable when people

669
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: call me colonel now because I'm not kerneling, Okay, I

670
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 3: never identify with the rank. That was just a tool

671
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: I had to do my job. And I loved organizing things.

672
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 3: I loved exit planning and execution and when everything worked

673
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 3: and you got your guys going as a team, because

674
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: I would be the general's fix it guy, Schleichter, go

675
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: over to one to eighty five and fix it, you know, okay,

676
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: And I go in and I meet everybody, and you

677
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 3: know it was it was an exercise and how to

678
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: fix something and how to make it great and any group.

679
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: There's nothing I hate more than you hear a leader, Well,

680
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: those troops are you know rag backs? No, they're leaders,

681
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: are ragbacks? Put me in there. I will find the

682
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 3: right guys and we will make them a great unit,

683
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: and we will expect excellence.

684
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Speaker 1: So much, so much of what I learned, Kurt, so

685
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: much of what you're saying resonates with my own personal

686
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: experience as well. I mean, look, there are times where

687
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: you know when you're getting shot at and you have

688
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: to make decision, and you point in like you say,

689
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: go right, this is what needs to be done in

690
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: this moment. And there's no questioning what I'm saying right now,

691
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: because this is what we got to do to survive.

692
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: But I agree with you that what I learned over

693
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: time as an officer in the army was that the

694
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: job is less about telling people what to do, but

695
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: more more about decentralizing any sort of authority that you

696
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: have and giving your subordinate leaders the ability to make

697
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: decisions that they thought were in the best interest of

698
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Speaker 1: the submission and their men.

699
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Speaker 3: And I was building teams exactly exactly. There are various

700
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: kinds of various kinds of leaders. There's some guys who

701
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: are the logistiction and they're very, very very careful about

702
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 3: putting all the pieces in place. There's the flamboyant guy

703
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 3: with a saber follow me. I was the team builder.

704
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 3: I would go and I would curate my staff. If

705
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 3: there was a guy who wasn't working out, I wasn't.

706
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 3: You're acquired, you idiot, Hey, major your career progression. You

707
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 3: need to go over to the S for it a

708
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 3: G four it division because that's the next step and

709
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: of course it was true, but it was also useful

710
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 3: because then I could backfill in with somebody who could

711
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 3: do back and I would shamelessly build an incredible team

712
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: out of people who didn't like me. I mean, my

713
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: sergeant major freaking hated me as a captain. He was opsargant.

714
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: He was why he was an E eight there. He

715
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: just thought I was the biggest jerk on earth, a

716
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: loud mouth, an idiot, just wouldn't listen to anybody. It

717
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 3: was a little unfair, but he gets assigned, but he

718
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 3: hit total pro and we you never saw us not together.

719
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: I mean we were everywhere all over the play. I'm

720
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 3: never in our office. I thought that if you want

721
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 3: to lead, you need to be the guy who goes

722
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: down the motor pool, you know, wiggles up underneath with

723
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 3: a specialist changing in the oil, and go, hey, special

724
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 3: how do you change an oil? How do you change oil?

725
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 3: You're crazy for a second, ago, sir, this is how

726
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 3: you do it. You do it this way, but you

727
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 3: got to make sure that you drain the oil out

728
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: this way. Otherwise you're gonna and he'll tell you all

729
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 3: about his thing and you'll learn, and then he'll go

730
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 3: you know, what the bus was. The bus was under

731
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: a truck with men, and my gosh, I remember taking

732
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 3: I would always go through the cooks. Cooks loved me

733
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 3: because I care, and I would go through and talk

734
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 3: to him about what they needed and stuff.

735
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: I remember.

736
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Speaker 3: One of the proudest things was I remember once and

737
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: I learned about the power of battalion command. Then I'm

738
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 3: sitting there and of course I eat last me and

739
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 3: starting major kind of jockey to be the last guy.

740
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: I get my scrambled eggs and I look at him

741
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 3: and I'm not even thinking. I go, ah, too bad,

742
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: there's no ketch up because I always put ketchum on

743
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 3: my eggs, and I just set out and I thought

744
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 3: nothing else sean. For the next two years, I never

745
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: did not have a bottle of Hines ketchup there waiting.

746
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Yeah, that's awesome.

747
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 3: By the w greatest food service section. Unbelievable. The guards

748
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 3: guys are amazing. And when I left, the spray panted

749
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 3: ketchup bottle gold and gave it to me, and I I,

750
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: you know, I love that thing like I love my saber.

751
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: Of all the medals that you have, where does that

752
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: rank about number one. I bet, I bet man like

753
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: you're taking. I mean, I'm miss sitting here listening to

754
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: you thinking and I don't know why.

755
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: It's the first time.

756
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this a long time. But I miss having,

757
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, a senior non commissioned officer. Ye me, I

758
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: missed that relationship, you know.

759
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: I you know, look, I like Donald Trump. I'm hard

760
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 3: on Donald Trump because I think no one else is.

761
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: I've never experienced anyone who needs a command sarder major

762
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 3: more than Donald Trump.

763
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

764
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 3: He's the guy who would literally say, sir, can I

765
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 3: talk to you? And he shut the door the shirt

766
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 3: you are blanking up and you know, yeah, but choice

767
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 3: then you're you can get your ego in this sick

768
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 3: or what do you think I'm doing wrong? Star in major? Well,

769
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: you're doing this, this and this, and you know nine

770
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 3: times I had ten. He's right, they give you, you know,

771
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: I had seventeen eighteen years in when I had the

772
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 3: tank command, but they gave me a guy with thirty

773
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 3: who knows nothing but how to lead soldiers at the

774
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 3: soldier level. And if you don't use that tool and

775
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: every one of your tools, you're chaplain. You're jag. They're

776
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 3: useful for something, even if it's a chot block, you know,

777
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 3: I mean they It gave me the as a tank commander.

778
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: Later as an acting brigade commander, I had like a town,

779
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: a mobile city that fulfilled all the functions of a city.

780
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 3: And I had all the you know, all the various

781
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: cast of characters, and I just you know, tried to

782
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: use them.

783
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: Well, I.

784
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: I just know that there's no way in hell I

785
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: would have been able to do the job if I

786
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: didn't have somebody. You know, it's just for the viewers

787
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: and listeners who are going to listen to this, a

788
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: senior non commissioned officer, somebody that basically is your shadow,

789
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: who has a hell of a lot more experience than

790
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: you do, been in the army a hell of a

791
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: lot longer than you like. For if you know, when

792
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: I was a young platoon leader, my platoon sergeant had

793
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty years in yeah, and all of my

794
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: platoon sergeants were incredible, And there were a great many

795
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: times that I would you know that you know, we'd

796
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: talk after hours or after we got back off of

797
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: a patrol in Afghanistan, where I'd say, like, how did

798
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: that go what could I do better? Or I don't

799
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: really know what the hell I'm doing right now? Like

800
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: what's the right answer here? Yes, and they will and

801
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: so tell you I missed that. I missed that relationship

802
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: in life, you know, I do.

803
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 3: Know that that's true. Look, I look back on my

804
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 3: army time, and it was a different time. Been out

805
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 3: eight and a half years now, so it's a different

806
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 3: time and I'm a different place. But you know, every

807
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 3: once in a while I look back and go cash.

808
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 3: You know, some of that so is pretty cool. You

809
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 3: know how many other people had the experience of leading

810
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 3: a convoy of armored vehicles across the plane?

811
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: Not many.

812
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 3: I've done it, and it's badass. Yeah, And there's that

813
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 3: one percent overcomes the ninety nine percent that's sitting in

814
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: briefings while people were talking about, you know, their PT score,

815
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 3: PT pass rate, and the general is going, okay, is

816
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 3: everybody donated to the officer Club? That nonsense?

817
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: You know.

818
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: You know it's a tragedy, Kurt, you know it's a tragedy.

819
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of tragedies associated with military service.

820
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: I mean, especially when you talk about like the context

821
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: of coming home and guys struggle and there's an adjustment.

822
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: And you sounded like you had a little adjustment as well.

823
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 3: Oh I had easy compared to guys that had real problems. Well,

824
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: I was just alone.

825
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: It's just I just think it's a tragedy that our

826
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: country tree doesn't fully appreciate what it means to serve

827
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: and I and I'm not this isn't a negative thing.

828
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: Like you know, in a free society, you know, you

829
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: want people to feel like they're safe. And I volunteered

830
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: for the job. I would do it again in a second.

831
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: I'm not a victim of any of this. I'm a

832
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: volunteer and I love this country. I just wish, you know,

833
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: I think guys would have a little bit easier of

834
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: a job coming home, Kurt, if you know the people

835
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: that enjoy freedom on a day to day basis or

836
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: more in tune with the people who protect it. Because

837
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: now you know you've got guys that come home to

838
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: your point, right of how many people have led an

839
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: armored convoy, you know, in combat and a comb it's badass,

840
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: It's amazing. There's a ton as someone who's an officer, right,

841
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: I know all the tasks that go into planning that

842
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: right from being a logistician and like like the land

843
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: navigation and the actual executive leadership of being in charge

844
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: of people. You'd be hard pressed to find anybody in

845
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: the business world if they haven't served that understands.

846
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: Any of that.

847
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 3: Now, people don't have an understanding of how hard things are. Everything,

848
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 3: you know, moving my battalion to the field. Uh, just

849
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 3: as a guard guy for a weekend, that's like literally

850
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 3: picking up a city and a small tail is and

851
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,959
Speaker 3: you have all those same issues, everything from toilets to gasoline.

852
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 3: How are these guys gonna eat, where are they gonna sleep?

853
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 3: What happens to somebody gets hurt? How about if somebody's

854
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 3: kid falls off his bike, breaks his arm, how are

855
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 3: you going to get him back? It is, it's a

856
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 3: huge deal, and we learned to do it, and uh,

857
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 3: you know, we're pretty proud of the fact that we

858
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: can do it because a lot of people can't. And

859
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 3: I just you know, I don't think civilians will ever

860
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 3: fully appreciate it. I think, uh one of the problems is,

861
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 3: and we're seeing it with the military can't make their numbers.

862
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 3: And I think it's largely because the senior leadership is

863
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 3: pretty much a disgrace. We keep hearing about oh oh oh, well,

864
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 3: we're out in trouble meeting our numbers.

865
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 2: But it's not wokeness.

866
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 3: It's wokeness.

867
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 2: It's wokeness wokeness.

868
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 3: So the military is largely a family organization. It's you

869
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,959
Speaker 3: do it because you talk to your uncle or your dad,

870
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 3: or a neighbor or somebody in most cases, not all cases,

871
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: but most and they said you should, yeah, do a

872
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 3: hitch in the Marines, or joined the Air Force, do whatever.

873
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 3: And right now I know from the people I'm talking to,

874
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 3: people are going, don't do it. You can't. You cannot

875
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: rely on the senior leadership to have your back. Everything

876
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 3: from COVID, I mean the whole the betrayal of COVID.

877
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 3: You know, so manifestly stupid. You take the youngest healthiest

878
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 3: cohort in America and treat them like they're a bunch

879
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 3: of elderly hospice patients with masks and the rest of this.

880
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 3: You know you're going to take a vaccine. I can't

881
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 3: never get never stopped ticking me of is. I have

882
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: yet to see any of the generals just pulling the

883
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 3: thing off, going I won't be a part of it.

884
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: I'm out, I, Kurt, I could not agree with you more.

885
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: I think that I saw General Austin or well, Secretary

886
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: of Defense Austin said something of a month ago that

887
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: he has no regrets about the withdrawal of Afghanistan.

888
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 3: None.

889
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: None. I mean, I'm sorry, but zero.

890
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 3: Huh.

891
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 2: But how as a leader could you could the leaders?

892
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I don't want to be one of

893
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: those guys that was like back in my day, because

894
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: General Austin was a two star in charge of the

895
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: tenth Mountain Division when when we were there, I had

896
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: nothing but high regard for him, and I respect, I

897
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: respect all that he's done in the military, But what

898
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: the hell kind of statement is that I like?

899
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 3: On my lawyer's side, I represented the families of one

900
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 3: of the Marines killed, and I grabbed another lawyer who's

901
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 3: also a combat arms colonel, and we attended the briefing

902
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 3: that the Marines gave on the tactical situation to the family. Right,

903
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 3: they sent out a six and an five jag maybe

904
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 3: an four to do an actual briefing, all rehearsed, all

905
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 3: the families got the same day. You know, they had

906
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 3: video and everything. They wanted to show the families what

907
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 3: happened on the ground there, and we got asked to

908
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: be a part of it, which the Marines did not

909
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 3: like initially. Last thing it was two colonels sitting there

910
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 3: looking over your shoulder. The takeaway for me was the

911
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 3: amazing performance of the Marines in a situation they never

912
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 3: should have been put in. They were put in a

913
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 3: situation where there was no infrastructure built to provide distance

914
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: or protection between unvetted Afghans, and of course the guy

915
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 3: with bomb came up, got close, blew up, killed thirteen.

916
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 3: Never should have happened. We knew we were not if

917
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 3: we knew we were leaving Bogram six months ago. I

918
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 3: don't understand why the pro or It's not like the

919
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 3: States was shy about spending money to build things. Why

920
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 3: the proper infrastructure wasn't built. They could have protected our guys,

921
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 3: not all of them, but most of them. And their

922
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 3: actions beforehand, the Marines were incredibly brave. The actions after

923
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 3: the attack were pretty much textbook, the way they evacuated

924
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 3: the wounded and stuff. The question I asked, I saw

925
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 3: that there were no officers killed, no commission officers, And

926
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 3: I said to this colonel, where the hell were the

927
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 3: officers And he goes, Colonel, let me show you platoon

928
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 3: leader twenty meters away, wounded, company commander forty meters away wounded,

929
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 3: Rettalian commander eighty meters away, wounded, And I said, okay,

930
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 3: they were where they needed to be to oversee that operation.

931
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 3: So I was very impressed by the performance of the troops.

932
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 3: The performance at the strategic level, the senior level, just shameful.

933
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 3: He didn't regret anything, obviously.

934
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: And look you read God, there's so much here, or

935
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: how about like the tragedy obviously the thirteen that were

936
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: kia there on the withdrawal, obviously a tragedy of epic proportions.

937
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: Also the tactical mistake of killing that entire Afghan family

938
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: with a drone strike.

939
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: Look, Kurt I was.

940
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: I was in Pactika Province in Burmel. Our mission was

941
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: very simple, close with and destroy the enemy. That's it,

942
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: like find Asama bin Laden if you can, but kill

943
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,959
Speaker 1: as many of them as possible coming in, yeah, coming

944
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: in from Pakistan, you know, And it really was, Kurt,

945
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: I mean, we as horrible as that deployment was and

946
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 1: as much combat that that that we saw. It really

947
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: was a textbook light infantry mission. But even in the

948
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: midst of all of that, Kurt, we never did anything

949
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: like that. We never made a mistake like that. So

950
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: and it's not like the withdrawal of Afghanistan, as you said,

951
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: was a secret, you know, and then in the six

952
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: months leading up to it, I think in April of

953
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: that year, leading up to the collapse of Atana. So

954
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: you have Millie on Capitol Hill, taka w. I'd sure

955
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: like to know more about white rage, dude, seriously, seriously.

956
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 3: I looked at how this thing was planned, and I'm thinking,

957
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 3: you know, my you know, one of my staffs could

958
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 3: have planned that whole deployment now in a weekend. I mean,

959
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 3: because it was easy, just because we knew a plan. Stuff.

960
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 3: But you give me six months and five hundred guys

961
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 3: to plan an operation. Holy cow, I had an order

962
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 3: this thick and you hadn't rehearsed it ten times?

963
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: I agree.

964
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 3: I mean, it would have been to the NAT's rear end,

965
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 3: not not this cluster fark that we watched on TV.

966
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, where's what happened to my army?

967
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: I mean, that was my next question, is what's going on?

968
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: In the military right now. I mean you talked about

969
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: it being woke. Okay, so we're we've got massive recruiting problems,

970
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: there's a there's a war raging in Ukraine right now

971
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: with Russia. It seems to be escalating if you're if

972
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: you're paying attention, and I know you are escalating in

973
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: a very concerning way every single day. Yes, you've got

974
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: China potentially maybe invading Taiwan. You know, uh, the world

975
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: seems to be going to hell in a handbasket. You've

976
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: got all of our enemies established in this economic brick

977
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: where they're trying to depose the US dollar as the

978
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: predominant currency in the world. It seems like the US

979
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: is taking it on all fronts. And as you mentioned,

980
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: like wokeness is a problem. And I think, Kurt, here's

981
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: the issue and that really very few people are talking about.

982
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: And I know you'll get this better than me. But

983
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: when I came into the military, we were a Cold

984
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: War force, right that evolved very rapidly into brigade combat

985
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: teams to fight n asymmetric threat and counterinsurgency. But now

986
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: the threat has changed, and for example, like, so what

987
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: is that look like for a guy like me in

988
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: the infantry. We did not have stinger missiles direct support

989
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: to battalions. So if we're fighting a conventional force with helicopters,

990
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: what does the light infantry between like like mine?

991
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: Do other we get lit up? Right?

992
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 3: You get lit up?

993
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: Are we evolving our force at all? It doesn't seem like.

994
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 3: I don't think we've got a force that matches the threat.

995
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 2: Now.

996
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 3: I went to Ukraine four times. I trained them. When

997
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 3: I was in Cosavo, we had a Ukrainian team with

998
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 3: US Polish Ukrainian battalion team, and I respect the Ukrainians

999
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 3: are tough dudes, and they put up a better fight

1000
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 3: than I expected. Uh, and the reis the worst fight

1001
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 3: than I expected. I look at you, look at some

1002
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 3: of the stuff that's going on, and these are the lessons.

1003
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: We didn't need to know.

1004
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 3: I knew this, I mean all of us knew this stuff.

1005
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: Uh.

1006
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 3: The sheer logistic drain. You know, if you're in contact

1007
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 3: with enemy armored forces, you're going to fire every literally

1008
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 3: every shell you can get your hands on it. And

1009
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 3: I think right now we're kind of parceling it. There's

1010
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 3: three ways you can go. You can go, Hey, I

1011
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 3: don't want a war with Russia and force browbeat Ukraine

1012
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 3: into coming to a peace treaty, and it's going to

1013
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 3: be on terms they don't like. But war's not in

1014
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 3: our interest. I'm in American blah blah blah. Or you

1015
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 3: can give them every single thing they want so that

1016
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 3: they can actually fight and and maybe take their territory back.

1017
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 3: The problem with that, of course, is that it drains

1018
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 3: our stocks. And I don't know how drained our stocks are,

1019
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 3: but I'm not optimistic. Where you can do the worst

1020
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 3: possible thing, which is just given enough to keep fighting

1021
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 3: it out, like the Western Front in World War One,

1022
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 3: which is what they're doing now. Do I know that

1023
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 3: they're training up forces? This is all open source stuff.

1024
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 3: They're training up forces using Bradley's I'll get some m

1025
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 3: ones also, uh to basely do a spring offensive. I

1026
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 3: don't think they have the combat power to push the

1027
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 3: Russians out. Russians always get beaten at the beginning. Then

1028
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 3: they fire all the lousy generals, get new ones, rebuild,

1029
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 3: get better equipment. You know, we destroyed the Ukrainians, destroyed

1030
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 3: a ton of equipment, but it was all crummy. The

1031
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 3: next is going to be brand new and it ain't

1032
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 3: going to be crummy, and the Russians are going to learn,

1033
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 3: as Napoleon and Hitler both found out, you know, or

1034
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 3: when Russians are on the ground, that's when they're the

1035
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 3: most dangerous because they're going to get back up.

1036
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: You are on correct, This this next spring offensive is

1037
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: going to be the real critical fight. Yeah, I mean

1038
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: Russian side. If you have to pick a song, of course,

1039
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, I mean obviously, but obviously I I

1040
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: I yes, I think that America has some very grave

1041
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: concerns that we need to be dealing with here in

1042
00:57:55,240 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: our country. But you know that Russia this spring, in

1043
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: this next spring offensive takes place, They're marching into Ukraine

1044
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: with five hundred thousand Russians.

1045
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: You just know that's happening.

1046
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 3: There's going to be a lot more troops and they're

1047
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 3: not going to make the same stupid mistakes the first

1048
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 3: guys did. The Red Army, uh, you know, after forty

1049
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 3: three forty four was significantly well forty sting forty three

1050
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 3: when they won Stalingrad was yeah, exponentially better than the

1051
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 3: one that Hitler hit in the initial invasion, and it

1052
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 3: went all the way to Berlin. Look, you know, I'm

1053
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 3: not a Putin apologist or a fan of the Russians.

1054
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 3: Who I you know, I still know how to kill

1055
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 3: a motor rifle regiment. Okay, I'm a Cold War guy

1056
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 3: who was in Germany.

1057
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, we know how to identify what T seventy T

1058
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: seventy tanks and blow their tops off, like you know.

1059
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 3: Which is the one with the antenna killed?

1060
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, exactly.

1061
00:58:55,560 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 3: But the you know, I I have grave doubts that

1062
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 3: you know, there are a lot of tough guys here

1063
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 3: in America with Ukrainian flag emojis, I know who are

1064
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 3: writing some pretty big checks that the Ukrainians have to cash. Now,

1065
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 3: the Ukraine's gotta do what the Ukrainians gotta do, but

1066
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 3: Americans got to do with American I'm an American. My

1067
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 3: my interest is that America's interests are pursued and they

1068
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 3: may diverge with Ukraines.

1069
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: I mean, and look, Kurt, I am if look if

1070
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: fighting must happen, obviously Ukrainians fighting the Russians so that

1071
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: Americans don't have to Okay, like obviously, like I prefer that,

1072
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: but yea, But also I don't like the idea of

1073
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: investing over one hundred billion dollars in a country when

1074
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Speaker 1: we still haven't evacuated all Americans from Afghanistan. I just

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Speaker 1: don't understand the Russian what seems like a Russian clamoring

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Speaker 1: into another fight.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of Republicans are comfortable with that

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Speaker 3: from the Cold War, notably guys who never served. You know,

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Speaker 3: But when when McConnell gets up and says there's no

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Speaker 3: higher priority than Ukraine, I think to differ, I got

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Speaker 3: a lot of higher priorities in Ukraine. And I'm again,

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Speaker 3: I'm not any Ukraine. I hope they win, but I'm

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Speaker 3: an American. That's where my interest is. And you know

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Speaker 3: you're not going to shame me into uh put in

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Speaker 3: Ukraine first.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, he just came out today that that

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Speaker 1: that more Americans than ever before have more credit card

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Speaker 1: debt than they do in Sale.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you know, yeah, we've got economic disaster going on.

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Speaker 3: We have a senile pervert as a president. The guy's

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Speaker 3: happy about Joe Biden. Besides doctor Jill is Jimmy Carter

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Speaker 3: because now he's not going to die the worst American

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Speaker 3: president in the last century.

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Speaker 1: So so so I got to ask, how did you

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Speaker 1: meet so, so I don't want to skip over so much.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about Kurt, but I

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Speaker 1: also want to be respectful of your time. I how

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Speaker 1: did you meet Andrew Breitbart?

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Speaker 3: Well, there was somebody that's I kind of knew who

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Speaker 3: he was. I wasn't really involved. I was reading a

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Speaker 3: lot on the internet interwebs, and someone from law school

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Speaker 3: grew up near him and said, you really got to

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Speaker 3: meet this Andrew Breitbart guy. And we got hooked up

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Speaker 3: on Facebook and we spent a lot of time time

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Speaker 3: about eighties music and Mexican food. Really yeah, and then

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Speaker 3: one day I saw I knew he was doing big Hollywood,

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Speaker 3: and I saw a story that they were going to

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Speaker 3: open Hollywood was going to open up and premiere the

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Speaker 3: Star Trek New Star Trek movie. The're go to do

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Speaker 3: it in Kuwait for the Troops, And I thought, well,

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Speaker 3: that's a positive story. It's very important to reinforce positive behavior.

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Speaker 3: He criticize all you want, but if you can pin

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Speaker 3: a metal on somebody that's you know your So I

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Speaker 3: go to Andrew, Hey, you might want to get somebody

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Speaker 3: to write about this, because you know you want to,

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01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 3: you know, reward the good. He said, why don't you

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Speaker 3: write about it? That's fine. And I had been writing.

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Speaker 3: I wrote at college, I did some preelance, and I

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Speaker 3: had been a stand up comic. I write, I write

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Speaker 3: the article. He sends me a writer's packet. It's so early,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't it doesn't even have a non disclosure agreement,

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Speaker 3: which is why years later, when Steve Bannon left Breitbart

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Speaker 3: to go be on the campaign, I got a ton

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Speaker 3: of calls from people about Steve Bannon because I'm the

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Speaker 3: only guy who could legally talk about him, because I

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Speaker 3: didn't have an NDA.

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Speaker 2: Bannon was it bright. I forgot about that.

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Speaker 3: And after Andrew died and for anybody out there thinking, oh,

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Speaker 3: he was murdered, no, he had a heart condition. I

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Speaker 3: had lunch with him two weeks before and I told

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Speaker 3: him he looked terribly and he had to slow down,

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Speaker 3: and uh, he literally worked himself to death. But he

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Speaker 3: had a he did have a heart condition, and he

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Speaker 3: was not murdered. He worked himself to death for.

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Speaker 2: Us Kurt I.

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Speaker 1: So all of this was like a little bit before

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Speaker 1: my time in the sense that I was in the army.

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Speaker 1: I got out of the army in twenty ten outlaw

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Speaker 1: Patune came out in February of twenty twelve, and I

1140
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: was I just started paying attention to, you know, guys

1141
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Speaker 1: like Andrew Breitbart and in his whole his whole crop

1142
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: of like you know now they're like all household names

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Speaker 1: and conservatism. You know.

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Speaker 3: I was doing a online radio show with stage right,

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01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 3: who was Larry O'Connor and a guy you may have

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01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 3: heard of him, Ben Shapira. Yeah, and we would do

1147
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Speaker 3: an hour of the Hour of Hate every Thursday night,

1148
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 3: just the three of us for about fifty people online.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I remember when Ben got his first

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Speaker 3: sub gig. He was like, hey, we have some student

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Speaker 3: on the radio. And then Larry course is now at WMAL.

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Speaker 3: Ben of course has been I guess host on Salem

1153
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 3: and stuff. And it's just you know, Dana Lash was there,

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Speaker 3: Michael Walsh.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: It's just this whole Derek Contra, all this this crew

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Speaker 3: of folks and we were just out there fighting the fight.

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Speaker 1: So so all of these people right like I'm looking,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm my paying it. I just tap into all this.

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Speaker 1: I just start watching watching, Yeah, twenty twelve, twenty twelve.

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Speaker 1: But the day I was I was on OPI and

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Speaker 1: Anthony when the show still exists. In my first experience

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Speaker 1: in serious XM radio, and I'm on talking about the

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Speaker 1: book with OPI and Anthony, and we get that, we

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Speaker 1: get the breaking news and Andrew Breitbart had died that

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Speaker 1: that that that day, Yea and Marve and now you know,

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Speaker 1: I often wonder he It seemed to me, And now Kurt,

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know this, but it seemed to

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Speaker 1: me he was the very first conservative that well, I

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Speaker 1: might might have been the very first, but it seemed

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Speaker 1: to me he was the very first conservative that understood

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Speaker 1: the cultural place that we were in as conservatives and

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Speaker 1: on the risk that our country faced back then now

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Speaker 1: that we face now.

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Speaker 3: But he also understood how technology and the Internet could

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Speaker 3: affect it. And he was a master showman. Just an

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Speaker 3: amazing guy. Crazy, I mean, he's nuts, but uh just

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Speaker 3: I mean what a He was a visionaire. I say,

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Speaker 3: I know a lot of leaders. I don't know a

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Speaker 3: lot of visionaries, but he was a visionary because he

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Speaker 3: saw things no one else could say.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean seemed like an amazing guy. I wish

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Speaker 1: I would have had the opportunity to meet him, and

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Speaker 1: he certainly man, you're one of those people. You're you're

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Speaker 1: one of the people that's like out there like a

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Speaker 1: household name and conservatism. Now, and so you're writing these

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Speaker 1: Kelly Turnbull novels, right, what do you want?

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Speaker 2: Seven?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: Yep, I'm writing number eight.

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Speaker 2: It's like absolutely ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I'd have you really like I was going to ask you,

1193
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Speaker 1: how is how's it going?

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Speaker 3: People are dying for them?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I remember I read the first

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Speaker 1: few of them actually, and the breakdown of the divided

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Speaker 1: states and the red in the blue states. You know,

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Speaker 1: I just thought, like, first of all, that your first

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Speaker 1: book came out years ago, So sixteen. Do you take

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Speaker 1: some pride in knowing that I predicted this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of them. I was just gonna say

1202
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Speaker 2: a lot of it a.

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Speaker 3: Little smug, but I'm not happy about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, so these hardcore Democrat cities, Kurt are

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Speaker 1: like some of the Democrat towns that Kelly Turnbull's going through.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's like it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just extrapolated out and I thought I was

1208
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 3: being ridiculous when I was having people arrested for pronoun crimes.

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Speaker 3: It's not ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: It's it's not ridiculous anymore.

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Speaker 3: No, and uh, you know, I now I got to

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Speaker 3: top myself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, all you gotta do is just figure out

1214
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Speaker 2: where we're going to go from here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just trying. I'm just trying not to be

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Speaker 3: overtaken by reality.

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Speaker 1: Well, so where do we go from here? Can conservatives

1218
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: actually conserve something? Can we turn the tide?

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Speaker 2: Have we ever?

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Speaker 1: Really? Though?

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Speaker 3: You know, no, we have, and we do regularly. The

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Speaker 3: Reagan Revolution, the Tea Party Revolution, while not completely successful,

1223
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Speaker 3: set back the enemy. Trump set back the enemy. I

1224
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Speaker 3: think they've gone too far with the attack on kids,

1225
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Speaker 3: because I think that's bringing people who just prefer not

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Speaker 3: to be political at all into the fight. And you

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Speaker 3: can see the enemies getting desperate. They are literally against

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Speaker 3: free speech. They are literally for jailing their opponents. These

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Speaker 3: are stupid people. Our enemy, our ruling class enemy, is

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Speaker 3: not this group of accomplished blowfeld Bond villains stroking their cats. Okay,

1231
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:18,440
Speaker 3: they're woody, allen like nerds with creepy taste, and unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of them have never been a fistfight,

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Speaker 3: and they don't understand that you can't go into a

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Speaker 3: bar and walk up to somebody and push him and

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Speaker 3: he's like, oh, excuse me, push him again, Hey, stop

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Speaker 3: pushing me. Stop pushing me. Eventually things are going to

1237
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Speaker 3: get ugly. And remember that Republicans riot at the ballot box.

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Speaker 3: They will elect harder and harder people. I think they're

1239
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Speaker 3: terrified to Rondo Santis because I think they think they

1240
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Speaker 3: can beat Trump. But if they can't beat Ronda Sants

1241
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Speaker 3: is also very disciplined, and we've seen that he just

1242
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Speaker 3: goes right for the juggular. He finds the decisive point.

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Speaker 3: I mean with Disney, he didn't fall around making your

1244
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Speaker 3: government your special privileges and Disney's like what that would huh, Well,

1245
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 3: you can't do that. I've done it. And then they

1246
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,560
Speaker 3: try and play games and they're gonna find that's not

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Speaker 3: gonna work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem I mean, DeSantis was an incredible

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Speaker 1: governor in Florida. I do you think do you think that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like it seems like, uh, President

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Speaker 1: Trump is pulling away at least in the polling. And

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you something else that rubs me the wrong

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Speaker 1: way about DeSantis, Kurt, Like, I mean, you're clearly campaigning.

1254
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Speaker 1: Like his response the other day, like, well, I'm not

1255
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Speaker 1: actually in the race yet. That might be true, but

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Speaker 1: I thought, like, why.

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Speaker 2: Are people endorsing you?

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Speaker 1: Then, you know, hopeful, I think, uh, just like I

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Speaker 1: guess My point is like if if you're gonna run,

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Speaker 1: run just getting Well, he's got a.

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Speaker 3: Few things he's got to do, like get is uh

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Speaker 3: uh resigned to run? Law thrown out?

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Speaker 2: Which I guess that's true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also unfortunately there are also legal considerations, as

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Speaker 3: you well know about if you are a campaigning suddenly

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Speaker 3: you have a whole bunch of legal obligations that you

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Speaker 3: don't otherwise. The other thing is Trump really wants him

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Speaker 3: to start, and I tend to do what my enemy

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Speaker 3: does my opponent doesn't want me to do. There's a

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Speaker 3: reason Trump wants some in the race, and I think

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Speaker 3: it'd make him an easier target. But you know it's good. Look,

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Speaker 3: I want a brutal primary. I want a tough primary

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Speaker 3: that has the toughest winner coming out and the one

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Speaker 3: most likely to win. And I'm not sure who that's

1275
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Speaker 3: gonna be. Trump can certainly win. I think Trump's numbers

1276
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Speaker 3: peaked after this bogus indictment is bogus it's a disgrace.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 3: All of this stuff is a disgrace. I think they're

1279
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Speaker 3: coming down a little now. Look, Trump's not going to

1280
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Speaker 3: get handed this. He's got to go and earn it.

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Speaker 3: He's got to take it, and there's a good chance

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Speaker 3: he will. I don't count desant Us out anymore. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, in two thousand and eight, Hillary was where

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Speaker 3: Trump is, Barack Obama is where DeSantis is, and we

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Speaker 3: never president Hillary. So look, here's what I'm going to

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Speaker 3: say here, what people are, well, who are you for?

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Speaker 3: I'm going to vote for whoever gets whoever wins the nomination.

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Speaker 3: I'm in the game. I'm going to support the winner

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Speaker 3: like I always do, because that's what I am. I'm

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Speaker 3: a Republican. And there's some people who are Trump voters

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Speaker 3: and not Republicans, and they won't vote for anybody but Trump.

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Speaker 3: And there are some never Trump people who call themselves

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Speaker 3: Republicans but they won't vote for Trump. And I don't

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Speaker 3: get that. I don't get either of that. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to vote for the winner, and I'm going to vote

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Speaker 3: in the primary for the person I think is most

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Speaker 3: likely to win in the general.

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you can I ask you one more

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Speaker 1: political question, of course, what do you make of Kennedy's

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Speaker 1: candidacy on the Democrat side. I'll tell you what I think.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, tell me Tom.

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Speaker 1: I think he's Look, there are obviously going to be

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Speaker 1: plenty of places where I disagree with him, and in fact,

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Speaker 1: I know several I know several places from at least

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Speaker 1: a policy standpoint where he and I wouldn't see eye

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Speaker 1: to eye. But I like a lot of the things

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Speaker 1: that he says, and he seems like an old school

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Speaker 1: Democrat like my grandfather would really like, you know, And

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Speaker 1: I mean I think his position on vaccines, and he

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Speaker 1: seems sort of like a Democrat populist in a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways.

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Speaker 3: I think. I think democrat populism and Republican populism have

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Speaker 3: more in common than we think. I have a probably

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Speaker 3: my oldest friend was very much, you know, kind of

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Speaker 3: an RFK kind of guy, and he now calls himself

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Speaker 3: a conservative, but he hasn't changed any of his views.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think there is a sense that there's an InCred

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Speaker 3: out in an out crowd, and I think that's an

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Speaker 3: accurate sense. The people in charge who inherited their power,

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Speaker 3: they certainly didn't earn it. They've never built anything. What

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Speaker 3: the example I always use is, you know, the World

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Speaker 3: War two generation. You know, they beat Hitler, they beat

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Speaker 3: the depression. The sixties, they you know, defeated the Democrat

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Speaker 3: racial oppression structure through the civil rights movement. They put

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Speaker 3: a man on the move. Those are pretty good achievements, right,

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Speaker 3: you know, you get you know, you want those on

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Speaker 3: the wall. Those are pretty good. Yes, what's this one given?

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Speaker 1: Us?

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Speaker 3: Iraq? Wall Street meltdown and uh, you know, perpetual masking

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Speaker 3: and grinder. Okay, this is not you know, this is

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Speaker 3: not a ruling class that's got a bunch of accomplishments.

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Speaker 3: But they have as a bunch of power and that's

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Speaker 3: all they care about. I mean their attack on free speech,

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Speaker 3: which they don't deny. Now they're attack on objectivity in

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Speaker 3: the media. Uh, their attack on any any time we

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Speaker 3: they consider any any pursuit of our interests or attempt

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Speaker 3: to be part of our own governance as inherently illegitimate.

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Speaker 3: And uh, that's you know, that's that's not going to

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Speaker 3: work for me, And I don't think it's going to

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Speaker 3: work for most people. And I think there I think

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Speaker 3: a backlash is coming. I think there can be a

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Speaker 3: gentle backlash where we kind of move back to a

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Speaker 3: free society where everybody's rights are respected and everybody can

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Speaker 3: speak freely, et cetera, and so forth, or we're going

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Speaker 3: to have a strong man, a real authoritarian, not not

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Speaker 3: one of the fake authoritarians they keep talking about. And uh,

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Speaker 3: I don't prefer that, but I'm not going to live

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Speaker 3: under leftist tyranny.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: I yeah, Well, Kurt, I mean, thanks man, and for

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Speaker 1: coming on. I mean, you're if you're watching this or

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Speaker 1: listening to this. I mean obviously everybody that's watching the

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Speaker 1: show probably already knows who you are. But you've got

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Speaker 1: to go out and get Kurt's fiction. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: write nonfiction too. How many bits total do you have?

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Speaker 3: Me back as the last one. I don't have a

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Speaker 3: nerve project going. I'm writing the eighth Kelly Turnbule now,

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Speaker 3: but I don't have a non fiction going. But you

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Speaker 3: can find me every week Monday, Wednesday, Thursday on town Hall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, read your town Hall columns, buy your books. The

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Speaker 1: Kelly Turnbull novels are really they're really cool, they're fun.

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Speaker 1: Give you a glimpse of the future if you continue

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Speaker 1: to be right about things. And where can people find your.

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Speaker 3: Kurt on Twitter is the best place at Kirt Schlichter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to check out Kurt's tweets. They're savage.

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 1: Your perspective, man, I read it all the time. I

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Speaker 1: read your columns all the time. I appreciate you coming

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Speaker 1: on and giving us your perspective.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Kurt, Thanks for having me man, all right, take

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Speaker 2: care brother.

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Speaker 1: live in.

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Speaker 3: As