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Speaker 3: And I was like, man, why can't I use this

433
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,880
Speaker 3: and extend it to another station? So I bought two

434
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Speaker 3: of them and convince the station to put me on

435
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 3: in the morning. I would do it for free, all

436
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 3: for free phone lines.

437
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Speaker 4: Producer.

438
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,880
Speaker 3: I paid for everything, and it took us like nine

439
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 3: months and we won there. And as you know, this

440
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 3: is universal. If you have a w under your belt,

441
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,120
Speaker 3: and you can make sure that the people that hire

442
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,360
Speaker 3: you aren't at fault if you lose, because all they're

443
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 3: doing is looking at the data and hiring you. If

444
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,160
Speaker 3: you can have them cover their butts, they will hire you.

445
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 3: And I got a chance to succeed, and I did,

446
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 3: and then I you know, I used my own money

447
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 3: and had like thirty thirty stations, started to make some

448
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 3: good money then and then sold part of my syndication

449
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 3: company to iHeart was doing pop and hip hop and

450
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 3: some rock stuff, but I just wanted it to be

451
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 3: back in like normal America, and we don't play a

452
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,159
Speaker 3: lot of music. I'm massively in the country fabric now

453
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 3: and I love it, but we don't play a lot

454
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 3: of music on like the broadcast show. But we have

455
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 3: a lot of country artists that stop in. But we

456
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 3: also have you know, John Mayer, Pharrell, if they're in town,

457
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 3: they'll come by too. Post Malone, yeah, post Alone played

458
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 3: with me at Rhyman, which was super cool.

459
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 4: So yes, I'm just generally a.

460
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 3: Music nerd, a sports nerd, and a music nerd, so

461
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 3: I think that's why this fits. And I'm also kind

462
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,239
Speaker 3: of a hillbilly still, as you can hear by how

463
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 3: I talk, so it just makes sense.

464
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Speaker 1: I saw you on Instagram. Someone asked you because you

465
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Speaker 1: had the event within the last couple of months and

466
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 1: Postal was there and you hung out with them and

467
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 1: he played. I got two questions. One you were just asked,

468
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 1: like can'ny sing? And two I have a theory, But

469
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 1: why do you think he's kind of making this transition.

470
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 1: What feels like he's just gonna go all country at

471
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Speaker 1: least for the time being.

472
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Speaker 4: I think it is only for the time being.

473
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Speaker 3: I think he says that pretty openly too, Like he's

474
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 3: not Nashville doesn't like if people are unsuccessful at their

475
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 3: current home and think they can come over to country

476
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 3: and have that as a safety net or have that

477
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 3: as a last resort. This format doesn't like that. What

478
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 3: this format does like is for someone who was successful

479
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 3: another part to go. I love and respect country music,

480
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna do a country project, but I'm also

481
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 3: not saying that I'm a full time country artist. And

482
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 3: he also moved to Nashville, made himself available for the community,

483
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 3: the songwriters. This town has embraced him like crazy. So

484
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 3: I do a show where I play at the Rhyman

485
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 3: every year we've been able to raise a bunch of

486
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,959
Speaker 3: money for Saint Jude. And I just reached out to him,

487
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 3: didn't know him, and said, Hey, is there any chance

488
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 3: that you'll come and play at the Rhyman and you

489
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 3: could play with me at the end of the show.

490
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Speaker 4: And he was like, yeah, sure. But even that day

491
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 4: I was cause you know.

492
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 3: He's big Hollywood, big superstar. I was like, man, what

493
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 3: if he doesn't show. He showed up half an hour early.

494
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 3: He got in was nervous not to just perform, but

495
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 3: he was doing a couple like old school country songs

496
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 3: and also doing one of his songs, like the but

497
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 3: he was so nervous to not mess it up. And

498
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 3: I walked back during a break and was just introducing

499
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 3: myself and he was singing. He was sitting on the toilet,

500
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 3: lid down, pants on, but he was sitting on the

501
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 3: toilet because the acoustics, just practicing. And that's when I

502
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 3: heard him singing. I was like, oh, post one can

503
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 3: really sing. And on top of that, I knew he

504
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 3: was serious about this. But he also grew up in

505
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 3: Texas and he's been doing stuff in country, like dabbling

506
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 3: for the past seven eight years playing with Brad Paisley,

507
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 3: putting country covers up, but also at the same time

508
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 3: not saying I'm now a country artist.

509
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Speaker 4: And I think in general Nashville respects that.

510
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: I think we're kind of in an age of authenticity,

511
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, in the sense of music in what we do,

512
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 1: and I think it's kind of shown with Posts. It

513
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: just feels like he really wants to do it, and

514
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 1: it feels like he likes it, and it just kind

515
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: of resonates. And I was watching an interview you had

516
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: with Chris Stapleton. It's safe to say he doesn't really

517
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: look like most country stars in my life.

518
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 3: Pretty safe.

519
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: I saw Luke Combs came to Arizona a couple of

520
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: weeks ago. He definitely does not. Zach Brian. I don't

521
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: even know what umbrella you'd put him under. I saw

522
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: him in Vegas during the Super Bowl. He is a

523
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: remarkable performer. And there's just a realness to all these

524
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: guys that don't look the part, you know. I saw

525
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 1: Brooks and Dunn and Alan Jackson, all these guys when

526
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 1: I was a kid in Northern California, and they were

527
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: country stars and they looked the part. Right, and these

528
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 1: guys just resonate. And I also think that, you know,

529
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: when I was, when we were growing up, he listened

530
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: to certain genres like I like rap, I like country.

531
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: Now it's it's so much carryover. It's like, yeah, just

532
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: like this Zach Brian guy. You won't meet many people

533
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: that are like, yeah, Chris Sapleton sucks. Like who says

534
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: that no matter what you listened to? Did you feel

535
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: that when you you know, you had on jelly roll

536
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 1: recently and I saw you asking me, like, you don't

537
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,239
Speaker 1: really look like most people in this town, right, But

538
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: he just he just resonates for whatever reason. I think

539
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious he's talented, but it's just something about it,

540
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah.

541
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 3: I think if somebody now is super polished and even

542
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 3: naturally good looking, we look at that twice and goes

543
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 3: this even real, like almost unfair to the pretty people

544
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 3: now because it is shifted and life now as an

545
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 3: artist is like a twenty four hour reality show where

546
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 3: you're exposed in every way, and a lot of people

547
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 3: keep some stuff private. But in the nineties, early two thousands,

548
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 3: I mean you go even back further than that. You

549
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 3: only expose what you wanted because there was no other

550
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 3: way to see it. Now, if you aren't showing parts

551
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 3: of your personality, you're not if you're not recording pre

552
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: concert footage, then people are like, what's going on? Why

553
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 3: are you not doing this? Like it's expected of you

554
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 3: to do it now. There are very few that can

555
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 3: get away with not doing it. But I think because

556
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 3: of that, authenticity has just become the dominator so much

557
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 3: so that even if you're authentic but you're super pretty,

558
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 3: we don't believe it for a while. So yeah, I

559
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 3: think that's it. You still got to be good. You

560
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 3: have to be better now than you had to be

561
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 3: ten years ago. And now everybody knows that the tricks

562
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 3: of the studio, and sure, you can auto tune anybody,

563
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: you can put effects on anyone, but eventually, if you

564
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: can't sing, you're gonna get caught not singing or not

565
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 3: singing well.

566
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 4: Because everybody records every concert.

567
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: You have to play live, either for like executives or

568
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 3: at a private event because that's where people make a

569
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 3: lot of money concert and you're gonna get caught not

570
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 3: being good. So to be good, you really have to

571
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 3: be great, and you just have to put a presentation

572
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 3: of your being real and sometimes maybe not as real

573
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 3: as others, but it just has to be that presentation.

574
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: You don't believe it's possible to fake it in this

575
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: moment because sometimes I'll hear a guy that like, I

576
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: really like that song. Well, the first thing I do

577
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: is go to YouTube, I type in the song and

578
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: I type an acoustic. I'm like, oh, it doesn't quite

579
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: sound the same.

580
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 4: I think that's him.

581
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: You can happen in the short term, but can it

582
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: happen over the long term.

583
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 4: Probably yeah, And it's hard for a megastar to happen.

584
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 3: That isn't really great, especially in the format that I'm

585
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 3: in now, because I don't know anybody that hasn't come

586
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 3: to my studio played for me, and not because they're like, oh,

587
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 3: we want to go play for Bobby.

588
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 4: But you know, my radio show is big and.

589
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: Our podcast is by far the largest in this format,

590
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 3: so people want to come by and play just for

591
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 3: the exposure.

592
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 4: And you can't be bad.

593
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: I mean, if there are people that come into perform

594
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 3: and they suck, you usually know by my response. And

595
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 3: I'm not mean in any way because sometimes it's just

596
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 3: the morning, but I'll say something like, wow, I must

597
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 3: have been pretty tough to wake up early this mom

598
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: or like it's I know it's hard to sing in

599
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 3: the morning, but this format especially, everybody performs because you

600
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 3: have to be good to make it and all those

601
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: people you mentioned are perfect examples of that.

602
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: Has there been someone recently obviously not Ald throw any

603
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: one uno the bus, but on a positive note that

604
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: came in that you're like, damn, this guy might be better.

605
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 3: I thought, And it's a land of giants here. I'm

606
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 3: telling you, I'm and this is I'll give you a

607
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: really it's the answer is it's true. But like Luke Combs,

608
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 3: I don't expect Luke Combs because he's such a great

609
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 3: songwriter and his songs are good. I don't expect him

610
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 3: to be a great vocalist because you know, it's Luke Combs.

611
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 3: You know, he just he is.

612
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 4: He's a common man.

613
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 3: That dude could freaking sing like he's in a choir,

614
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: like he is hitting notes that I think people don't

615
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 3: give him credit for because of what he sings about,

616
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 3: which is very common man type things. And he has

617
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 3: a very powerful voice. But at the same time I'm

618
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 3: listening to him sing three feet from me, and he

619
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: could sing any format. He once the same thing with

620
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 3: Garth Brooks, like there's a reason they're stars, but we

621
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 3: don't think of him as like these elite, elite singers

622
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 3: mostly because of what they're singing or performing about. But

623
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: they could sing anywhere they wanted to be, in any

624
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: format and sing any kind of song, and they would

625
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: have been massive stars. We just don't think of them

626
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: as pure vocalists because of kind of the content of

627
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 3: their music.

628
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: You bring up Garth, you know, I'll never forget when

629
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: he played Central Park. You know, I think it was

630
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: a like ABC or an NBC or whatever in the

631
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: late nineties. Is it safe to say that he changed

632
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: country music forever in terms of all the money these

633
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: guys made, and then Tim and Kenny and Jason Eldan

634
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: everyone else comes after him, and just they get NBA

635
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: money now because of the popularity of the music, where

636
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: probably before I was born, I would say, is it

637
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: fair to say in the seventies and even through the

638
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: mid eighties, country music was nowhere nearly as popular on

639
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: the national level as the way that he took it, like,

640
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: I mean, an all time rocket ship. He's the highest

641
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: selling artist of the nineties, right.

642
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 3: He is the highest selling American artist of all time,

643
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 3: like not even country.

644
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 4: You know, he's the guy.

645
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 3: He's got like ten diamonds, which is except for the Beatles,

646
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 3: and maybe he tied the Beatles. He's by far the

647
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 3: biggest American artists, which is crazy to think whenever you

648
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 3: think of Madonna, Michael Jackson, like all of the legends,

649
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: Garth statistically is the number one American artist, Yeah, for sure.

650
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 3: And what Garth did that was different and had a

651
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 3: lot of pushback on is Garth did basically with all

652
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: of his country songs a I guess what you call

653
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: like a pop style concert. I mean he was flying across,

654
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: he had explosions, he was changing clothes, and at the

655
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 3: time he was getting a lot of crap for that.

656
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 3: And I've been lucky enough to I mean, i would

657
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: call Garth a buddy at this point. And I've had

658
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: talks with Garth where people told Garth he wasn't country

659
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 3: because of his presentation, not his music, but how he

660
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: presented everything else, like his stage shows. He would you know,

661
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: he did SNL, he did the Chris Gaines thing. The

662
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 3: thing about Garth was he tried new things he was

663
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 3: one of the few that was like, you know, if

664
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 3: this doesn't work, that's okay, but I'm gonna go and

665
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 3: just continue to push and like challenge myself very much

666
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 3: like an athlete will do sometimes. But Garth was an athlete,

667
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 3: and there's this thing in country music as well where

668
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 3: there are a lot of country stars that are athletes,

669
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 3: and that's kind of where this comes together. But like

670
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: Sam Hunt played Division one quarterback. There's like eight or

671
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 3: nine guys that played Division one sports, a lot of

672
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: Division two guys. But their work ethic through sports is

673
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 3: actually what makes them so such a great country star

674
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: because they put the same effort into the training, into

675
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,479
Speaker 3: the you know, watching tape, listening back to concerts that

676
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 3: they did when they were in athletics. And a lot

677
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: of people ask like, how are there so many guys

678
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: that were so good at sports doing country music. It's

679
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: just because that translates, It translates from being an athlete

680
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: to being in music. And Garth had that. He ran

681
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: track at Oklahoma State. And Garth is a guy, and

682
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: I get a lot of people that are just like, Hey,

683
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: what's Garth like? And I'm not kidding he I thought

684
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 3: the first couple of times I met him, he was

685
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: just really good at being nice. I thought he was

686
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 3: just like, okay, this is but there's something it doesn't

687
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 3: matter if he wanted to be president. He has that

688
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: ability to eliminate everybody else in the room when just

689
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: talking to you, he knows everybody's name, and people will say, well,

690
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: he has somebody tell him that before he goes into

691
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 3: a room, to which I say, yes, but you're the

692
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: person in charge of hiring good people as well, right, Like,

693
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: he shouldn't be penalized because he hired somebody, if so,

694
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: to tell him everybody's name in the room, and then

695
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 3: for him to remember everybody's name. But when Garth comes

696
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: to you, you leave going I think they got like me.

697
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: Everybody does that. Everybody thinks Garth loves them, and it's

698
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 3: it's really cool to look and see how historically dominant

699
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 3: he's been in all American music. And then see that

700
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: guy and like he just drives a truck down the road.

701
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: My cousin he was playing in Fresno years ago and

702
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: is in the beer business. That was dropping off some

703
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: cakes at the at the arena and it must have been,

704
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: you know, early in the morning, and maybe he was

705
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: doing sound and they just ran into each other. Obviously,

706
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: my cousin stops sees him and they just talked for

707
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: like probably ten minutes. He said he couldn't have been

708
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: any more normal. They start bsing about like Fresno State football,

709
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean, I think that's something that it

710
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: does feel that country music has a lot of their guys,

711
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: especially this crew of more recent guys, pretty down to earth.

712
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: I have my brother's college roommate is the right hand

713
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: man for the super rich farmer in the Central Valley

714
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: in California. And he had like a twenty fifth anniversary party.

715
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: And he knows party because Party married a girl from

716
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: Fresno and he paid party and Joan Jett was the

717
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: headliner to play his own party. You know, there's a

718
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: couple thousand people there. Then there was an after party

719
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: and John Party played that. But for like an hour,

720
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: they were just beers in his office and then it

721
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: just ends with me, my brother and Party bs and

722
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: for like fifteen minutes. And he gave this story about

723
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: this businessman in Dixon or Winters, where he's from, the

724
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: small town in northern California. Basically told him, if you

725
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: ever want to make it in music, you have to

726
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: go to Nashville. And John's like, I don't have any

727
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: money to go, and He's like, I'll take care of

728
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: you to get going. And I didn't quite realize it

729
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: until I went a couple of years ago with Maria

730
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: to Broadway and it's a very very unique place.

731
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: Is this?

732
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: You know? Nashville's like if you want to play in

733
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: the NFL, you got to play college football, right, certain

734
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: industry is like if you want to work in venture

735
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: capitalist you probably need an MBA from a big time school,

736
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: Like there are certain requirements. It's pretty hard to make

737
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: it country music without going to Nashville. Like Hollywood's not

738
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: even really like that anyway. You don't need to move

739
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: to La to become a movie star. But it feels

740
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: like country music like you got to be in Nashville

741
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: or it probably ain't happening because they all live there,

742
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: right is that first?

743
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: I mean it's ninety nine point nine percent there. Occasionally

744
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: there's a person who comes and makes it and moves

745
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: back out, like Darius did for a while, went back

746
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 3: to South Carolina. Justin Moore moved back to Arkansas. Zach

747
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: Brown went back to Atlanta. But now back, I mean,

748
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: Zach is probably one of the guys who never came

749
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: to Nashville. Like, that's the one that I can think of,

750
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 3: Zach Bryant who but he wasn't trying to make it

751
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 3: as a country star. We he just makes music that's

752
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: country ish, American ish, rock ish, you know.

753
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 4: But yes, the answer is absolutely yes.

754
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: When I was on idol and I would mentor these

755
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: kids even on the live shows, they'd be like, I

756
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 3: want to be a country star. You got you have

757
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 3: to move to Nashville because the decision makers are there.

758
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: And it's funny you mentioned John Party. John's one of

759
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 3: my best friends and all that checks like I've talked

760
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: to John about that many times, where he was like,

761
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 3: I don't know how I'm gonna get there, and thankfully

762
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 3: somebody stepped forwards. I'll help you get there.

763
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 4: And that's what John did.

764
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 3: And John was grinding it out for ten years, seven eight, nine,

765
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 3: ten years before he was able to even.

766
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: Hit He's my age, it's not like he's twenty eight.

767
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 4: Even when you get here, it's hard.

768
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: You know, you have to get here, and then when

769
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 3: you get here, it's just surviving until you get your opportunity,

770
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: and a lot of people get better when they get here.

771
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 3: You're around better talent, you tend to get better as well.

772
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 3: But yeah, John's a good example of somebody who was

773
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 3: grinding along for a long time and then had a

774
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 3: little hit and it exposed him to a lot of

775
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 3: people who then saw how good he was a song

776
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 3: after song after song. So it's just about getting that

777
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 3: first look somehow.

778
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: Well, it's like if you go to Alabama or Georgia,

779
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: you know, even if you don't play there, now you're

780
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: transfer you you're going to get an opportunity. If you

781
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: make it to the NFL preseason game, you're gonna get

782
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: a chance to show. I remember being in nashal on

783
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: Broadway for a couple of days, just drinking all the

784
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 1: time in my life, and me and Maria would go, God,

785
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: that person's incredible, Like how many people just never make

786
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 1: it in that town.

787
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 3: Incredible singers are everywhere. It's intimidating for people to move

788
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 3: to town, even the great ones, because they come from

789
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: I would compare it to being like a really good

790
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: ball player in your high school team. All of a sudden, Okay,

791
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: you're going to the miners and it's like, holy crap,

792
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not king Dingling anymore of my high

793
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: school or my hometown. I had to move up. And

794
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 3: that's what this is here, except it's not the miners.

795
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 3: It's a freaking major leagues. So even the best will

796
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: admit they move here and get intimidated quickly because there's

797
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 3: greatness everywhere you look. But it's not just about singing,

798
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 3: and it's not just about songwriting. It's about whatever that

799
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 3: thing is. It is undefinable that a great artist has

800
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 3: that makes you want to pay a little more attention

801
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 3: to them, and sometimes it takes, you know, years to develop,

802
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: and sometimes people just don't see it, like the right

803
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 3: person hasn't seen it yet. So there is no formula obviously.

804
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: But the one thing that most people I know that

805
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: have made it in this town, the one thing they

806
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: have at com and is they just didn't quit.

807
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: You think a lot of people in the town don't

808
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: make it.

809
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, definitely, Yeah, it's ninety five percent don't make it.

810
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 4: I mean I would think I would think even.

811
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 1: The best that is that unlucky or like you said,

812
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: maybe they don't try as hard, or maybe they just

813
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: don't get seen, or it's just all different variables.

814
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 3: You know, work is interesting, it's just in general because

815
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: people can work hard. Like my stepdad worked already worked

816
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: at a mill his whole life, and he would come

817
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 3: home he was like dead tired. He worked really hard.

818
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 3: But there's also a lot of strategy involved to this.

819
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: So you can work really hard, but if you're not

820
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 3: putting a lot of your effort into strategy, that's work

821
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 3: that you probably need to be doing instead of some

822
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: of that just straight grinding. So it's a bit of

823
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: the stars need to be aligned. It's a bit of

824
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 3: can you just survive? Can you make relationships? You know,

825
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: it's still a relationship business. All businesses, all businesses relationship based.

826
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,479
Speaker 3: Even if you know nobody, you can move to town,

827
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 3: get with the crew like your class. Everybody can around

828
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 3: the same time they're considered like a class, Like my

829
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 3: class is like Dan and Shay, we came to town

830
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 3: around the same time. I know those guys before they

831
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 3: even were together as a duo. But you start to

832
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: make friends who come up together. One of them makes

833
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: it all of a sudden. They want to pull the

834
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 3: people in that they love, and it's just how do

835
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: you get that opportunity and once you get it, you

836
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: really have to make the most of it.

837
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: Can you spot? Obviously now you just mainly interviewed the

838
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: main stars, but over your career you got a lot

839
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: of people, and you probably meet people at events that

840
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 1: are not household names or have not made it big

841
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: and probably have no money. I mean, are holding on

842
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: for dear life? Do you think that's an easy thing

843
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: to spot or is it? Is it not?

844
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 3: The great thing about social media now is a lot

845
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 3: of artists already know who they are, have already put

846
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 3: it out there, so a label or management company aren't

847
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 3: going to try to change it. I think that before

848
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 3: social media, that was the thing that labels would go

849
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 3: look for people that were good and then try to

850
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: shift them into what they felt the void was in

851
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 3: the market. Now that doesn't happen. So there are a

852
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 3: lot of people who naturally are themselves already, so you

853
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: can tell maybe who's not going to be commercially the

854
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: biggest And I think in an art just to be

855
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 3: able to have a living and do what you love,

856
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 3: that's success. Like to me, if you're in an art

857
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 3: and you can pay your bills and you can eat

858
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: and your kids can go to school and feel safe.

859
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 4: That's success.

860
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: And I think the people that are really good and

861
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: know who they are, you can tell when people are

862
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 3: going to last. I won't say thrive, but you can

863
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: tell when people are gonna last, and I think that

864
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: to me is success. So yes, I think now you

865
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: can see who's going to be around in five seven

866
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: years and not who's not. But you know who probably

867
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 3: is really good but needs to somewhat own who they are.

868
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 3: I think that's still part of the problem as well.

869
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's safe to say the old adage like

870
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: in the business, was like we need a couple songs

871
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: to put on the radio, which you'd argue, I know

872
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, the grunge scene always

873
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: pushed back against that. But in the nineties or even

874
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: the two thousands, how am I ever going to hear you? Right?

875
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: There's not YouTube, not internet. To be on the radio

876
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: is a powerful the most powerful medium? Is that kind

877
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,959
Speaker 1: of a thing of the past. Now, with the way

878
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: that the consumer listens to stuff.

879
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 3: I think it's one of the main avenues now instead

880
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: of the absolute main avenue. There's still billions of dollars

881
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: that goes into trying to get artists on the radio,

882
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: because I think it's like seventy five percent of people

883
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: at some point.

884
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 4: Listen to some sort.

885
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 3: Of live radio during a week, and that's and it's

886
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 3: not And I don't listen to a lot of live radio.

887
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: I like things on demand, you know, to me, radios

888
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 3: workers on your phone. If it's on the phone and

889
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: you can download it, stream it to me, that's what

890
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: it is. But still I'm surprised at times at how

891
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 3: many people listen to live radio. And again, we don't

892
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 3: even play a lot of music on our show. However,

893
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: I see the money that goes from record label suit

894
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 3: of two things. Want to get on streaming playlist and

895
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: to be on the radio, because if you have a

896
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 3: top ten song, it there's an absolute relationship with a

897
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: song that's top ten and a song that is massively streaming,

898
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 3: like it's not a coincidence.

899
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 4: Over and over again.

900
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: Will that still continue to change? And I don't even

901
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 3: think we're gonna have streaming music in three to five

902
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: years like we saw downloads, we saw streams.

903
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 4: You know music.

904
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: The one thing about it is it's never just been

905
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: one thing and it's never stayed the same.

906
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 4: So the answer right now.

907
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: Yes, radio is still a major part of it, but

908
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 3: I don't know what the answer is going to be

909
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 3: in three to five years.

910
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: Well, that's a crazy thing. This business has changed so

911
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: much dramatically. How's a guy who's got his cut his

912
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: teeth in radio? I would say, you've pivoted as good

913
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: as anybody. You know. How do you constantly is it?

914
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: You're you just an open minded guy because some of

915
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: these radio guys, I'm sure you've been around him, like,

916
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: did not handle this? Well? You're like, oh, I'll move.

917
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: I work with Colin. Colin's an old school radio guy.

918
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: He holds a podcast company now, like He'll just transition,

919
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: no fear, And I would say that's pretty rare for

920
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: people who have been in a business for multiple decades.

921
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: I got lucky that I got started really young, and

922
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 3: I was always the youngest to do it, meaning most

923
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 3: of my career I was like the young guy. I'm

924
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 3: forty four now, so I'm just like the normal dude

925
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: at this point. But I think growing up the youngest

926
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: in the industry, I was very digital from the very start.

927
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: I got fortunate that my timing like outliers. Gladwell writes,

928
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 3: about like what Bill Gates who lived near a computer,

929
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 3: and he was fortunate he lived near a computer. Therefore

930
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 3: he was able to be interested in the computer because

931
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 3: there were only like a few of these computers all

932
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 3: over the country. I got lucky that I was born

933
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: when I was born and that I was in my

934
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: real development all years when Napster existed. So we were

935
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 3: podcasting the show before podcasting was really a thing, like

936
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: I was making a big point about it. So I

937
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 3: don't know if any if it was like a transition

938
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: for me as much as it was. I've kind of

939
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 3: been doing it and waiting on that to be a

940
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 3: big part of my my you know, my revenue, the

941
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 3: money that I make. But I just like to make content,

942
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 3: you know, if it's you know, we travel around the

943
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: country doing sports shows. I've got a sports podcast. We've

944
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 3: got uh you know obviously the radio show. The more

945
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 3: people listen to the podcast of the radio show than

946
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 3: ever before. I just want to create stuff that exists

947
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 3: and when people want to grab it, if it's live

948
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: or if it's three pm, that they can go get it.

949
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: How do you have so much energy? You have an

950
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: early morning you're up at the crack of Dawn and

951
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: you're doing sports podcast, you're doing sports memorabilia stuff, the

952
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: dancing with the stars to the is it just you've

953
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: been pretty lucky from where you started, and it's just

954
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: like you gotta strike while the iron totters. Yeah, I mean,

955
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: you love what you do, so it's it's much easier

956
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: to do this stuff.

957
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: It's both like you have to you know, make while

958
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 3: the sun's up. This is our job is who.

959
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: Knows it ain't digging ditches either, so.

960
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 3: And also yeah, and also it's like we're doing an art.

961
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: You may I think it's an art, but we may

962
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 3: not be doing this in two years. This what we

963
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: do may not be in demand.

964
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 4: By the people that want to demand it. And so

965
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 4: I also know that. So I love doing it. And

966
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 4: I think if you do what you love, you work

967
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 4: harder at it.

968
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 3: If you work harder at it, you're rewarded for it,

969
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 3: just generally, And so that's part of it. But also

970
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 3: it's like, hey man, I'm saving up, I'm saving up

971
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 3: the nutscause people ain't gonna always like me. And until

972
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 3: like the last few years, I was paying like double

973
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: on my bills just in case I lost my job.

974
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 3: My business manager was like, you got to stop doing that.

975
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: So I kind of live in that mindset anyway. But no,

976
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: I'm happy. You know, if things are growing, they won't

977
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 3: always be that way. But until they kind of shut

978
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 3: me down, I'm just gonna keep pushing forward and just

979
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 3: grateful that people care.

980
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 1: You mentioned him a couple of minutes ago. Zach Bryan,

981
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 1: do you think he exists fifteen twenty years ago because

982
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: he would never be as big as he was, as

983
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: quick as he was in just the way that the

984
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: world used to operate in the music industry. Is that

985
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 1: fair to say?

986
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 3: It's hard because he's really good, right, and usually he's incredible.

987
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of the most I don't know

988
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: if you saw the clip of John Mayer talking about

989
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: the show, he's like I thought he described it as

990
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: well because I saw Listen, I liked his music. You

991
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: see him live, I've seen Garth, I've seen basically every

992
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: big country music artists of the last twenty five years.

993
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: It was just a powerful experience.

994
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: I would say that if he wanted to be successful

995
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 3: and exist according to the rules twenty years ago, absolutely,

996
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 3: But Zach kind of seems like the guy that just

997
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 3: does not he's gonna do his own thing and not

998
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 3: move to Nashville. And I think again there's been a

999
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 3: benefit to him to be able to make music on

1000
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 3: Twitter and YouTube and people to find it then because

1001
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 3: he never moved to Nashville.

1002
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 4: And I think he could have.

1003
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 3: Absolutely, he's so good he could have moved to Nashville

1004
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 3: been a huge star. I just don't know that he

1005
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 3: would have moved to Nashville. But then, how does his

1006
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 3: music get spread? Because in the old days, unless you

1007
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: lived in La New York and Nashville, your music really

1008
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 3: didn't get made and it really didn't spread. So cream

1009
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 3: always rises, so I'll say I think it still finds

1010
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: a way, but it had definitely been more difficult because

1011
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 3: his success is based on how good he is consistently

1012
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 3: and that people can mass consume him in a bunch

1013
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 3: of places.

1014
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: You talk about these stories, I'm sure a lot, but

1015
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: like the pushback against Morgan Wallin to Poppy, he's just

1016
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, he's just doing it for the money or whatever.

1017
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: He's just a fabricated star. So Jason Kelsey, I don't think,

1018
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: took a specific shot, but said basically, I wish country

1019
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: music was the Johnny cashes and the Willie Nelson's Like

1020
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: those days are kind of over. You know. I saw

1021
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: Morgan live, Like he's good, he's not. Like he's very

1022
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: talented and his music is his music. You either like

1023
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: it or you don't. That's to me. Like in football,

1024
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: you win or you lose. Arkansas basketball with cal Perry,

1025
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: they're gonna make it to the Sweet sixteen or the

1026
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: elite or they're not. Right. In music, it's pretty subjective,

1027
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: like I understand, like he doesn't. He's not Alan Jackson here,

1028
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: Like this isn't Hank Williams junior. But if you see him,

1029
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: it's a pretty fun experience. And like, like I don't know,

1030
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 1: I just think music so many people, like you see

1031
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: on YouTube you post something like I wish music didn't

1032
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: sound like this, right, I missed the old days. It's like, yeah,

1033
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: this twenty twenty four. I enjoy them. But you live

1034
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: in that world. It does feel like there's just a

1035
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: lot of hate. Is just because of the popularity. Is

1036
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: the money he's making? What do you think it is?

1037
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: I think it's the popularity for sure. The higher you

1038
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 3: go on a pedestal, the more people see it numbers

1039
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 3: game more people complain about it. But this is what

1040
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 3: I would say, because you can always tell somebody who

1041
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 3: doesn't know about country music by the comparisons they make,

1042
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 3: by the way Morgan is so well respected by the

1043
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 3: songwriters and artists in this town. Like there's nobody here

1044
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 3: in this town that knows Morgan, that goes ah that

1045
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 3: ain't real, right, and this town is tough. But in

1046
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 3: the history of country music, like what country music is,

1047
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 3: it's the slave ships of Africa and European music. So

1048
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 3: they brought fiddles from Europe and banjos on the slave

1049
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 3: ships of Africa. That's country music. So you want to

1050
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 3: go all the way in rute back, that's what real

1051
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 3: country music is.

1052
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 4: Okay.

1053
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 3: So talking to Garth, when Garth was like, I was

1054
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: told I wasn't country. Johnny Cash my.

1055
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 4: Grandma and he's from Markansas.

1056
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 3: My grandma would tell me about people protesting Johnny Cash

1057
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 3: because he was not country. He was rock and roll

1058
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 3: and people wanted old school country. And they would say

1059
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 3: the same thing they're saying to Morgan Wallen that they

1060
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 3: said to Garth Brooks, that they said to Johnny Cash,

1061
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 3: Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys. They were absolutely destroyed

1062
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 3: because they amped up a steal guitar. They put an

1063
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 3: electric amp on a steal guitar, and that was considered

1064
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 3: so not country that people freaked out. The one thing

1065
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: in common is there are always goobers who go, that's

1066
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 3: not country. No, that's not true, because every single country

1067
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 3: artist that has changed country music all that we've listed,

1068
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 3: we're told.

1069
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 4: That's not country.

1070
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 3: But what happens is what you mean is that's not

1071
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 3: the country that you grew up listening to, because if

1072
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: it stayed the same let's just say it stayed the

1073
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: same from the nineties, it wouldn't exist anymore. So anyone

1074
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 3: that ever says to me, well that that's not country,

1075
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 3: I understand they actually have no knowledge on the situation

1076
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 3: and they're just talking to hear themselves talk, or they're

1077
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 3: just so in love with the music they grew up

1078
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 3: with and they have no knowledge of music other than that.

1079
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: One thing that feels like it's become a lot more

1080
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: mainstream is talking about songwriters. Now. Maybe it's because some

1081
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: of these songwriters now sing also and become big stars.

1082
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: Like your sec football. If Alabama wins a big game,

1083
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: Nick Saban gets a lot of credit and so do

1084
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: the players right, Like we kind of see the whole

1085
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: thing where it's like, oh, this guy just has a

1086
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: hit song. You know, most of my life is like

1087
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: this hit song. Well turned out he didn't write it.

1088
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 1: And when I went saw Morgan Wall and his boy Hardy,

1089
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: who I'd listened to him a little bit, and when

1090
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: I saw him, I'm like, this is like Chris Cornell

1091
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: or Kirk Covid Redneck. It was like, whether you like

1092
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: country music or not, you couldn't go see him live

1093
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: and not be like, that guy is a fucking rock star. Yeah,

1094
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: but he's a writer, you know, So like that guy

1095
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: does not exist fifteen years ago, at least playing his

1096
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: writing for sure. But but he's got to be the

1097
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: most unique guy in the town right now when you say.

1098
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, super unique, and not only that it's in this town, just.

1099
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: A trailblazer with the way he's doing stuff.

1100
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: Well, they get a publish it. You know, a lot

1101
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 3: of artists coming and they're not signed as artists initially,

1102
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 3: they're signed as writers. So you try to come and

1103
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 3: get a publishing deal. That's how you make your first checks.

1104
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 3: So you're like, Okay, I just need to prove that

1105
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 3: I can write just good enough to get a publishing deal.

1106
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 3: So a lot of times, most times artists come to

1107
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 3: town and they write first for a long time, so

1108
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 3: they become a really good writer because they're around other

1109
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 3: really good writers. And most rights in this town are

1110
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 3: multi people, like two three person rights.

1111
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: So how's that possible? How do I write a song

1112
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: with another guy?

1113
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: Well, you come to town, you go to like the

1114
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 3: little songwriter arounds, you know, where you go play for

1115
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 3: free and help you wait in line. You make a

1116
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 3: couple of friends and then you're like, well, we should

1117
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 3: write together. Then you write a couple of songs and

1118
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 3: you go out and you just pitch them to these

1119
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 3: publishing companies, a small one, a big one, a medium one,

1120
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 3: and sometimes they'll give you like an eighteen thousand dollars

1121
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 3: year draw to just write songs. And what they'll do

1122
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 3: is the'll also set you up with other rights. So

1123
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 3: initially it's you find your friends and you write with them,

1124
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 3: and then it becomes once you start to get paid,

1125
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 3: it's the company that pays you sets you up on

1126
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 3: other rights with other writers from your company, other companies,

1127
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 3: and then once you have success, everybody wants to write

1128
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 3: with you.

1129
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So once I write, if I'm paying that eighteen

1130
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: thousand dollars thing, if I write a song, if I'm hardy,

1131
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: now's he knew Morgan. But let's just use that example.

1132
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: He writes a song for Morgan, it explodes, I don't

1133
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: make any more money than just the baseline money. How

1134
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: do I make money as a songwriter in that scenario?

1135
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: Am I not making much? Even if I get a hit?

1136
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: It just explodes me to more people, you are no.

1137
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 3: Both happen, so you know, you get your draw Let's

1138
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 3: say it's I use the number eighteen thousand. So let's

1139
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 3: say you get your eighteen thousand bucks and they're paying

1140
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 3: it like a regular paycheck, like every two weeks, because

1141
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 3: you got to pay the bills and so then you

1142
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 3: got to pay that back. So if you don't pay

1143
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 3: it back, they'll just end up cutting you. You don't

1144
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 3: owe them, but you have to pay it back. It's

1145
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 3: like an advance, and so first you pay it back

1146
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 3: and then after that you get a percentage for every

1147
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 3: dollar that's negotiated. So let's say a huge song blows up.

1148
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna give some fake numbers because it doesn't matter.

1149
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 3: But Let's say you get paid eighteen thousand bucks a year,

1150
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 3: you have number one song, Boom, the song does a

1151
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 3: billion strings, number one on radio. You're gonna get a

1152
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 3: percentage of that money based on like streaming, you know, mechanical.

1153
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 4: There's a lot of the deal.

1154
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 3: But you can make easily a million bucks depending on

1155
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 3: your deal.

1156
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: So it could changes your life once you say, if

1157
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: you have.

1158
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 3: A hit, it changes your life absolutely, and but you

1159
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 3: have to pay back your advance first.

1160
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 4: Some big writers get a massive draw, like you know.

1161
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 3: They'll go sign with the company and make a million

1162
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 3: bucks a year and they know that money is guaranteed.

1163
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 3: Now they're gonna write songs and probably they're gonna make

1164
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 3: more than that and get some of that percentage. But

1165
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 3: first that million bucks is gonna be paid back.

1166
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: You know. I was talking about with Coward the other day,

1167
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: how fast word spreads in the NFL about a guy's personality,

1168
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: a coach or a player. It's safe to say it's

1169
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: like that in Nashville, right, Yeah.

1170
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 3: If there's somebody good, if there's somebody unique, everybody knows

1171
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 3: about it quick because this is a town of greats.

1172
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 3: But every once in a while there's somebody who I

1173
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 3: won't say transcendent because that's a word like Morgan wall

1174
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 3: And is transcendent for the industry. Luke Combs transcendent. Right now,

1175
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 3: we have two at the same time, which is pretty bizarre,

1176
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 3: Like al Dean, Luke, Bryan Garth, Toby. There are these

1177
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 3: people that come along and.

1178
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: They just Kenny and Tim. I remember when I was

1179
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: in high school.

1180
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 3: They just can't Yeah, they just kind of kick you

1181
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 3: a little different. It's not like they're reinventing the will.

1182
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 3: But there's something about it that's the same, which is

1183
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 3: comfortable and amazing, but also different, which is awesome. And again,

1184
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 3: you can't really write exactly what that is, but when

1185
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 3: it's put in front of you, you know it.

1186
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's a It's.

1187
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 3: A pretty amazing place, pretty weird place. Sometimes Nashville sucks.

1188
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 3: Sometimes Nashville is the greatest. I like it and I'm

1189
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 3: happy to be here. So I think this has been

1190
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 3: a really great place for me and my wife, and

1191
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, we'll see what happens.

1192
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: Okay, I get you out here on a couple of

1193
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: sports questions. Saban retires. I think obviously Nick's success speaks

1194
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: for itself. But I think what he did is he

1195
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: made the SEC cool all over America. People in California

1196
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 1: watch the SEC. People in the Northeast watched the SEC

1197
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, Like you just kind of

1198
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: watched your region the PAC twelve, maybe like a rivalry game,

1199
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: but like you couldn't miss big SEC games over the

1200
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: last ten years. Is there going to be a void

1201
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: in that conference whereas now it's so strong you're at

1202
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: in Texas, Oklahoma, he won't be missed, or you lose

1203
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: a figure like John Wooden or Bear Bryan, Like I'm sorry.

1204
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: There just is kind of a hole into the ethos

1205
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 1: of I just think it's safe to say the biggest

1206
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 1: conference in America when it comes to football.

1207
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 3: I would say the SEC is too big to fail.

1208
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 3: It's like one of these corporations that's the government wouldn't

1209
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 3: let fail during whatever recession that we had. You can't

1210
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 3: let the SEC fail. It makes too much money for everybody,

1211
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 3: all the schools, and we got lucky to Kirby Smart

1212
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 3: came along. Now not near as dynamic as Saban was,

1213
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 3: but Kirby Smart has kind of taken that, Hey I'm

1214
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 3: now the head guy role, but no it's too big

1215
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 3: to fail.

1216
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 4: They're not gonna let it fail.

1217
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 3: Yes, and Nick Saban, I remember when he went six

1218
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 3: and six this first year and lost to like Louisiana

1219
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 3: Monroe at home.

1220
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, this is not gonna be good.

1221
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 4: Nick Saban's awesome.

1222
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 3: And if you go to Tuscaloosa and you look at

1223
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 3: the statues, they have a statue for every time the

1224
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 3: coach won a national championship in front of the stadium,

1225
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 3: and it's like every third step there's another Nick Saban statue.

1226
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 3: It's really remarkable. I hate going to Tuscalosa because we always lose.

1227
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 3: It's a terrible experience for me as a razorback fan,

1228
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 3: but it is really one of the more remarkable places

1229
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 3: to go and see, you know, the Sabans, obviously, the

1230
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 3: Bear Bryants, the Gene Stalling statue. It's a really cool place.

1231
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 3: But you see all the Sabans and it reminds you

1232
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 3: all together at how fricking great he was. But he

1233
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 3: also wonted lsu right, yeah, you know, and set it

1234
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 3: up for the next guy too. So yeah, Saban is

1235
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 3: a boss. Will always be the boss, just like Bear

1236
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 3: Bryant was always the boss. But now the SEC it's

1237
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 3: because it's such a corporation. It's too big to fail.

1238
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: Have you been to everge stadium for a game in

1239
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: your life?

1240
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 3: I have not been to South Carolina SEC wise. I've

1241
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 3: not been to every stadium, but I've not been to

1242
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 3: South Carolina because they were you know, SEC East, and

1243
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 3: we didn't for a while. When I was younger, we

1244
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 3: played them every year. They were our and then once

1245
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 3: I could actually afford to go to games, we didn't

1246
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 3: as much anymore. So I haven't been to South Carolina.

1247
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 3: But I think other than that, I would say Vandy.

1248
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 3: But I've like worked out in Vandy and there's nobody

1249
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 3: in the stands when I work out. There's nobody in

1250
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 3: the stands whenever they play, So I feel like that counts.

1251
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: What's the best environment that you've been to.

1252
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have removed my own.

1253
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna remove our Arkansas doesn't count.

1254
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 3: There are two two environments. One pre game Ole miss

1255
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 3: because the groves freaking cool. It's just it's a sea

1256
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 3: of tents and people acting richer than they really are

1257
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 3: and it's really like cool, safe, easy to find parking,

1258
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 3: SEC party vibe and the old miss people all though

1259
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 3: a little snoody, are pretty nice game wise, like LSU

1260
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 3: God dang dude, like the swamp or not swamp swamp second,

1261
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 3: but Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge at night.

1262
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 4: It's it's hard to it's hard to like your ears hurt.

1263
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 4: It gets so loud.

1264
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 3: The worst because I just leave with a song on

1265
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: my head and I can't shake it for days and

1266
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 3: days is Kneeland, Tennessee, because they don't stop playing Rocky

1267
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:15,720
Speaker 3: Tout from the freaking minute you walk into the minute

1268
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 3: you walk out.

1269
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 4: So those are probably the more remarkable ones.

1270
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: I think one of the cooler moments in the SEC

1271
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: in probably the last five years is when they beat

1272
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: Alabama on that night game and they carried the uh

1273
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: the you know, the goalpost to the wa wherever is

1274
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: there a river or something in there? And they that

1275
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: that was That's what you don't get. I mean, you

1276
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: just don't get that out where I'm from in California.

1277
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 3: College football, and again I'm biased. I am from the Southeast.

1278
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 3: I am a Southeast Conference guy, so I would just

1279
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 3: say college football in general there and again I I'm

1280
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 3: lucky enough. I'm going in the next couple of weeks

1281
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 3: to work out with the Jets and the Buccaneers and

1282
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 3: the Panthers. NFL teams like say, come in, do your show,

1283
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 3: work out with it.

1284
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 4: It's awesome.

1285
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 3: I love the NFL. There's nothing like college football when

1286
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 3: it comes to the passion that these places have, because honestly,

1287
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 3: a lot of places, this is all we have.

1288
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 4: In Arkansas, it's all we have.

1289
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 3: No pro teams. Think about South Carolina game Cocks, no

1290
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 3: pro teams there. Look at Louisiana, it's not like there's

1291
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 3: a lot going on. In New Orleans is cool, but

1292
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 3: that's the biggest market in the in the state. It's like,

1293
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 3: we're so passionate because it's really one of the only

1294
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 3: things that we have. And it's my favorite part of

1295
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 3: the year.

1296
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 4: I love it. I can't wait.

1297
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 3: I can't wait for it to start. But I know

1298
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 3: we're gonna go like three and it's gonna be terrible.

1299
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys are gonna suck, but you'll have a

1300
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: new coach next year. Maybe give a bunch of money

1301
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: to Lane or something. Get you out of here. On

1302
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: a razorback basketball question. I play golf out here in

1303
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: Arizona with a guy Jeff Fong and he went to Arkansas.

1304
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: He's from he grew up in Arkansas too, and he

1305
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: went there in the mid nineties. And we just played

1306
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: last weekend. He was telling me all about he's told

1307
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: me before about those Nolan richardson days and Corless wimbs.

1308
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: He said, it was you can't even It was so

1309
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: awesome to be a part of that. And you guys

1310
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: have been good recently and I know your buddies with

1311
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: Must and Must be an excellent coach, right, I mean

1312
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: wanted to it was winning with you guys who win

1313
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: at USC But Calipari, we can debate, you know, the

1314
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: winning in the tournament, but he is I would say,

1315
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: just one of those old schools Saban not not doesn't

1316
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: have the success, but in terms of just his fame

1317
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: and moving the needle, that's a big moment for you guys,

1318
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: you buddies with him already and how you're feeling because

1319
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: that was that was a woe. Obviously things got a

1320
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: little weird at the end of Kentucky, but that has

1321
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: to be a positive moment for you guys landing John Calipari, Right.

1322
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 3: It was a woe for sure, even for someone who's

1323
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 3: pretty connected to the program is a big WOA. I

1324
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 3: love Muss, like Muss was awesome and passionate and like

1325
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 3: that was my dude.

1326
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: I guys were winning.

1327
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 3: Yes, I hated, as he must go and so, but

1328
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't hate to see him go home.

1329
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 3: So that's what's cool, right, And that's the only place

1330
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 3: that I think I wouldn't get irritated that someone goes

1331
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 3: is home.

1332
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 4: And he wanted to go back to California. I get it.

1333
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 3: So, you know, we're trying to figure out who we're

1334
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 3: gonna get.

1335
00:59:58,680 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 4: They're like, I think Calipari.

1336
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 3: But I only knew like hours before everybody did, and

1337
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 3: usually I know days or week, but it was held

1338
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 3: so secret. There's like and I didn't believe it. I

1339
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 3: was like, there is no chance we're getting calif party.

1340
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 3: I'm not buddies with Calipari. I'm afraid to fly too

1341
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 3: close to the sun. I'm gonna be honest with you.

1342
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 3: I've been invited, like the athletic director. Hunter has been like, hey,

1343
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 3: do you I don't. I don't want to not like him.

1344
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 3: I'll just be honest with you. I don't want to

1345
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 3: meet him and not like him because my favorite thing

1346
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 3: in the world is Arkansas football and basketball and Arkansas athletics.

1347
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 3: It's my number one, and I don't know that I

1348
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 3: wouldn't like him, but I don't want to go meet

1349
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 3: him and he'd be big time and be like too

1350
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:37,919
Speaker 3: cool for school, and I'd be like, well, I hate

1351
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 3: that guy because I can't. My heart won't allow it,

1352
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 3: so I have not unless it organically happens, it won't happen.

1353
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna fly too close to the sun.

1354
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna icarus this thing and melt and hate

1355
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 3: Arkansas because that will never happen. I don't know John Calipari.

1356
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 3: I'm okay never knowing John Calipari. But what I do

1357
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 3: like about it is I think he had enough of

1358
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 3: these one and done's without success. You even see that

1359
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 3: with this transfer a class like he went after some

1360
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 3: mid and upper classmen, which he really didn't do in Kentucky.

1361
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 3: It was all, let's get all the five star freshmen,

1362
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 3: and that resulted in not so great tournament runs in

1363
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 3: the last few years, which I love to see. Can't

1364
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 3: stand freaking Kentucky basketball, but can't stand up because I

1365
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 3: respect him, So I think we're gonna be really good

1366
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 3: We're gonna be really good and it's gonna be awesome.

1367
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't think most people realize outside of the SEC

1368
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: football foothold Arkansas Athletics. I mean, you guys got some

1369
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: big money boosters, did you. I'll end on this. Do

1370
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: you like my future of you know, link Ole Miss

1371
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: goes ten and two, eleven and one. Sam Pittman probably

1372
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: a rough year. They're gonna be looking for a new

1373
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: football coach. Give me who you'd like to see get

1374
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: saving out of retirement.

1375
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 3: I would like to see Sam Pitman succeed because I

1376
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 3: can't if it doesn't go well. You know, I guess

1377
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 3: if Pittman was going to retire next year after winning

1378
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 3: eleven games, like what would I like to happen? I

1379
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 3: don't know. I kind of like like htt Lashley down

1380
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 3: at SMU, Like.

1381
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 4: I like those guys that.

1382
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 3: It's to Bobby Petrino's offensive coordinator. Dude, it never got

1383
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 3: better than Boby Petrino at Arkansas. It never got that

1384
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 3: was That's the best of the program has ever been.

1385
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 3: That was a really amazing time for me as a

1386
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 3: fan having Bobby Petrino be the head coach at Arkansas.

1387
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 3: I hope Sam does great, and then when he retires,

1388
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 3: I hope we go and get a young guy. We

1389
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 3: have a lot of money in northwest Arkansas. If it's Tyson,

1390
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 3: if it's Walmart, dude, if it's Jerry friggin Jones. Jerry

1391
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 3: Jones is a WHO football complex named after him. That's

1392
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 3: only Jerry Jones invited me. So I went to with Cowboys,

1393
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 3: flew with Jerry in this helicopter only because I'm from Arkansas,

1394
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 3: no reason, no media thing. I emailed the website and said, hey,

1395
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 3: any chance I could talk to Jerry and they're like,

1396
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 3: he doesn't do any I said, well when it's Bobby

1397
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 3: Da Da da da, And they're like, oh okay, Jerry's

1398
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 3: like come on down. So I show up. Think there's

1399
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 3: gonna be a hundred people there. It was just me

1400
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 3: and my boys and Jerry Jones and his son and

1401
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 3: Jerry's chopper with the pilot.

1402
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 4: Flew to the game, sad in this suite.

1403
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 3: But that's what we do at Arkansas because we don't

1404
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:07,919
Speaker 3: We only have each other because we have nothing else.

1405
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 3: So you know, we rock hard together. I hope to

1406
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 3: see success. If not, I hope we go after a

1407
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 3: young guy next where'd you?

1408
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: Did you go to Jerry's house? Still, get on his helicopter?

1409
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: You meet him at the facility?

1410
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 4: No, he had his own.

1411
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 3: Uh hey, we went to Jerry's helicopter. It was it

1412
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 3: a When we got on Jerry's helicopter. That was it

1413
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 3: like a hangar? Was it a private hangar?

1414
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 4: Is what it was?

1415
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: It was awesome, Eddie, that's a pretty incredible story. How

1416
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: do you ever top that?

1417
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 3: It's the greatest. My friend Eddie, who's here with me

1418
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 3: now because we're about to record our sports show called

1419
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 3: twenty five Whistles. And Eddie's a massive Cowboys fan and

1420
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 3: I'm not.

1421
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 4: I'm okay whatever.

1422
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 3: I go up in Arkansas being told I'd have to

1423
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 3: love the Cowboys, so I didn't because I was told

1424
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 3: I had to.

1425
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 4: But Eddie's a massive fan.

1426
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 3: And we got on the helicopter and he put on

1427
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 3: headphones and Jerry just was just talking to us, and

1428
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 3: it was us with the little headphones like magnum p

1429
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 3: I flying over Hawaii and that little helicopter. It was awesome.

1430
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: Okay, Bobby, where's everyone you? What do you got going on?

1431
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: This summer? TV? Obviously the radio show every morning all

1432
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: over America. You find him on YouTube. He's interviewing I

1433
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: watched Kenny Chessney this morning. Let everyone know what's going on.

1434
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 4: You know, I just want people not to look for me.

1435
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 3: I need a break.

1436
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 4: I'll be honest.

1437
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 3: I just need a break.

1438
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: So don't go anywhere this summer for vacation, right, yeah, I.

1439
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 3: Mean, I don't know when this airs, but we're going

1440
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 3: to Switzerland. I never traveled until the last few years,

1441
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 3: and my wife and I've never been, so we're like,

1442
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 3: let's go do something cool. So we're going to Switzerland.

1443
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to Italy. I'm looking to may go

1444
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 3: buy like an Italian basketball team, which so I own

1445
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 3: a professional football team. That was my entry into sports ownership.

1446
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 3: And so we're gonna go look at an Italian basketball

1447
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 3: team and see if we want to get into that business.

1448
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: Well, Bobby, I can't thank you enough. And you know,

1449
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: and I told you a while back when Maria really

1450
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: wanted to see Toby Keith in his last show, and

1451
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: you obviously knew Toby well, and you took care of us.

1452
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: And that's I don't know if I've told you this,

1453
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: but in the in the bathroom, probably in the middle

1454
01:04:58,240 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: of the show. I've probably had a few too many.

1455
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: And to take a leak, they were grown men. You

1456
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: were like almost in tears because you knew anyone that's

1457
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: been around cancer. I mean, he was he had to

1458
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: weigh one hundred and fifty pounds. You knew you were

1459
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,439
Speaker 1: watching a dying man who didn't have much left giving

1460
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,919
Speaker 1: at all. And that's all the things I've ever done

1461
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: in my life, concerts, sports, whatever. That's one of the

1462
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: more powerful things I've just ever seen. And I can't

1463
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: tell you how much I appreciate you taking care of

1464
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: Mainly Maria loved him, and I just I've never seen

1465
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: anything like that. And then obviously he passed away a

1466
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: little bit later. But that was man. That was that

1467
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: was It's hard to even put into words because you

1468
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: knew when you were witnessing a guy that just loved

1469
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: to sing and love to perform, but he was he

1470
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: didn't have much and he gave it all he had.

1471
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,919
Speaker 3: The coolest thing was that, like you guys were fans

1472
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 3: and wanted to go. And what's cool is I can

1473
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 3: have access to that, just like you had access to

1474
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 3: foot You know, if it's something that I'm in and

1475
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 3: there's somebody that I like. I think we both there's

1476
01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 3: somebody who liked to bring our people with us, and

1477
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 3: I'm a big fan. I'm just a big fan. You

1478
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 3: and I didn't know each other. I would just messaged

1479
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 3: you on Instagram and I was like, hey, dude, I

1480
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 3: listen to you all the time. That's literally how I

1481
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 3: slid into your DMS and we became friends. So, yeah,

1482
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 3: the Toby thing was unexpected when it happened, but I

1483
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 3: don't think it was unexpected to happen. Most of us

1484
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 3: thought he was beating it, but he was struggling physically,

1485
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 3: so it was kind of a shock. But yeah, I'm

1486
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 3: glad you guys got to go ad some other friends

1487
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 3: and went to that show and said they could kind

1488
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,919
Speaker 3: of tell too that it probably it probably wasn't long.

1489
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 3: No one knew it would be that quick. But I

1490
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 3: really appreciate you having me on again. I listened to

1491
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 3: if your voice is on it, I'm listening to it,

1492
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 3: So I appreciate.

1493
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 4: You having me on.

1494
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: Thanks, Bobby. I have enjoyed Switzerland, and keep rocking and rolling, baby.

1495
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 3: All right, John Cea buddy the volume