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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to the Friday edition of the Clay Travis

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Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton Show. We are racked and stacked on

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Speaker 1: this Friday. That's right. It is time, my friends, to

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Speaker 1: dive into all of it. It is September, so no

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Speaker 1: more afternoon nap time because it's summer. Everybody. We got

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Speaker 1: a nation to save, we got a world to solve.

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Speaker 1: We got things to do, and we're doing it right now.

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Speaker 1: Florida Surgeon General, Joseph doctor, real doctor, not a Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden doctor, Doctor Joseph Ladipae, will be with us talk

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Speaker 1: about Florida's vaccine mandate situation. It's a little more complicated

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Speaker 1: than someone with the headline suggests. We want to hear

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Speaker 1: from the man himself, doctor Latipo, Florida Surgeon General, and

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Speaker 1: I think somebody that you may very well see somewhere

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Speaker 1: in the Trump administration over the course of the four years.

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Speaker 1: We'll see if we can ask them about that. Our

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Speaker 1: buddy Denis Desuza has another film, that Dragon's Prophecy. He'll

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Speaker 1: talk to us about that in the third hour. Remember

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Speaker 1: yesterday I said they'll make good films anymore. Well, well,

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Speaker 1: there are some independent films conservative filmmakers out there are

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Speaker 1: doing cool stuff. So we'll talk to Denesh about his

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Speaker 1: movie just in the realm of We got to cover

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Speaker 1: it because it's out and news today. Not a whole

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Speaker 1: lot to say about it. You got hiring stalled, uish

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Speaker 1: economy out of twenty two thousand jobs in August, a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a summer slow down, but no big deal.

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Speaker 1: Don't panic. It's all gonna be fine. No pannikins, Clay allowed.

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Speaker 1: We have a no Panikins policy. I might have to

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Speaker 1: get a no panicins sign whenever we talk about the economy.

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Speaker 1: You surely don't panic. Mister Clay over there telling everybody

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Speaker 1: when the market was getting shell ACKed earlier this year,

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Speaker 1: don't don't run for the lifeboats, stay on the icon

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Speaker 1: of the seas or whatever your preferred vessel is, and

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Speaker 1: you'll be fine. So Clay, do you do you see

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Speaker 1: any I got something else we're going to dive into

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Speaker 1: in a second, but just your quick reaction to jobs report.

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Speaker 1: Where the economy is heading right now, how it's all looking.

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Speaker 2: Jerome was laid again and they're going to cut rates

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Speaker 2: in September. He was wrong in allowing the overall in

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Speaker 2: the overall inflation rate to get to nine point one,

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Speaker 2: sorry one percent during Biden. And I think the biggest

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Speaker 2: issue that Trump faces in terms of sort of vibe

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Speaker 2: for lack of a better way to describe it, is

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Speaker 2: people are still angry because prices went up so fast

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Speaker 2: under Biden. I mean to me, that is a lot

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Speaker 2: of people are out there and they're saying, well, prices

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Speaker 2: haven't come back down, and I think the challenge is

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Speaker 2: prices never come back down.

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Speaker 1: Ever.

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Speaker 2: This is the pernicious nature of inflation. Once prices go up,

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Speaker 2: they are inflated, and the new normal becomes whatever those

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Speaker 2: prices are. The best you can do is try to

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Speaker 2: get back to normalcy. And we are back to normalcy.

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Speaker 2: But trust me, I've been saying this for years. Every

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Speaker 2: time I go through a fast food restaurant drive through

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Speaker 2: The amount of money that it costs me makes me

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Speaker 2: shake my head. It doesn't feel right, and people have

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Speaker 2: sort of internal calculators in their head for what something

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Speaker 2: should cost. Coffee in the morning, a trip to a

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Speaker 2: fast food restaurant with your kids, a pizza, and all

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Speaker 2: of it is wildly out of sorts. With what it

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Speaker 2: should have been if Biden hadn't gotten elected and screwed

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Speaker 2: up everything. So I think there's a lingering hangover effect,

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Speaker 2: for lack of a better way of describing it, for

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Speaker 2: the massive run up and inflation that we saw, and

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Speaker 2: it's going to take years for people to recognize that

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Speaker 2: things start to feel normal again.

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense? And so I think that's going

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Speaker 1: to be going on. Even if what you say, and

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Speaker 1: I think what you say on this is correct, even

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Speaker 1: if it's economically true, it can still be politically a problem. Right.

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Speaker 1: It is Trump's economy now, So the Democrats are going

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Speaker 1: to try to pounce on this. They don't care that Biden.

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Speaker 1: It's like blaming that like Republicans are good blame when

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Speaker 1: the debts thirty seven trillion dollars, but when it was

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Speaker 1: thirty six point five trillion, Democrats had no problem.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's going to be some of that gamesmanship

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Speaker 1: going on here. But bottom line is, I think the

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Speaker 1: economy is still very strong, going to better places, and

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Speaker 1: I am I am optimistic. Although I will say we

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Speaker 1: didn't discuss this. The Trump team looking at tariffs, or

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Speaker 1: rather the Supreme Court is supposed to look at tariff's.

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Speaker 1: Trump team had an appeals decision that went against them,

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Speaker 1: and now there's the possibility that this tariff stuff may

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Speaker 1: be undone by judges saying the president doesn't have the authority.

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Speaker 1: That's a mess. That's a mess. So I don't know

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Speaker 1: what that's going to do. But this is in the

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Speaker 1: are we really we really want to see what happens

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Speaker 1: if almost a trillion dollars in collected money, what are

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Speaker 1: we going to give it back to these countries? It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see two other stories, by the way, that

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Speaker 1: are high up on the radar for US, just to

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Speaker 1: put a pin in them. The mayor of DC, it's

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Speaker 1: like I told you all from the beginning, kind of

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Speaker 1: likes Trump's crime crackdown, kind of likes it. We got

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Speaker 1: a story on that, want to scoop on that. And

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Speaker 1: the US is deploying ten fire jets jets to Puerto Rico,

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Speaker 1: I think to maybe blow up more cartel drug ships,

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Speaker 1: which is uh, they're serious about this, And Pete Heggs

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Speaker 1: at the Secretary of Defense spoke directly about it, but

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Speaker 1: Clay had had to go to this one. We had

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Speaker 1: quite a robust discussion yesterday about Malcolm Gladwell, and we

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Speaker 1: discussed that he has come out and said and he

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Speaker 1: admitted that he was too cowardly to say the truth.

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Speaker 1: That's not saying that he believed it and now has

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Speaker 1: learned more new facts of facts have come in. He

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Speaker 1: just said, look, I'm too much of a I was

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Speaker 1: too much of a wimp about trans men competing against

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Speaker 1: women in sports. And I said to you, well, do

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Speaker 1: we give credit, Clay or do we have to look

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Speaker 1: at this as pure opportunism? Right? JK. Rowling, who you

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Speaker 1: and I both hold in high regard. The Harry Potter

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Speaker 1: author wrote this about the situation. I want to get

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Speaker 1: Clay's reaction. Gladwell's career wouldn't have been destroyed if he

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Speaker 1: spoke out against the glaring unfairness, not to mention dangers

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Speaker 1: of allowing men to compete in women's sports. He'd have

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Speaker 1: faced the loss of approval from the cultural elite and

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Speaker 1: received activist blowback, and even that wouldn't have come with

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Speaker 1: the tsunami of death and rape threats women face when

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Speaker 1: they speak out. Non famous people, mostly women, girls and

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Speaker 1: gay people, have genuinely had their careers and lives destroyed

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Speaker 1: for saying what Gladwell was too pusillanimous to say, and

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Speaker 1: he didn't lift a finger in their defense. She goes

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Speaker 1: on and on. He hasn't changed. He merely sends to

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Speaker 1: shift in what is acceptable to say and feels safe

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Speaker 1: to align himself with a new consensus excusing his previous behavior.

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Speaker 1: He isn't an ally, He's a weather vein clay off

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Speaker 2: We talked about this, I believe with Vin Shapiro and

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Speaker 2: I think one of the most challenging things out there

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Speaker 2: is when do you get grace and when do you not?

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Speaker 2: And I love JK Rowling because, as we said and

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Speaker 2: have said for some time, she had no reason to

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Speaker 2: need to do this. She is publishing royalty she could

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Speaker 2: have after she wrote the Harry Potter books, which are fantastic.

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Speaker 2: My ten year old is reading them now. I bet

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Speaker 2: a lot of your kids and grandkids may have not

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Speaker 2: been readers, and if they do become readers later in life,

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Speaker 2: it's often because you get them started at an early

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Speaker 2: age with the gift of learning what books can bring

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Speaker 2: to their lives. And you and I were both huge

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Speaker 2: readers at young ages. I would say, if I can

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Speaker 2: give any advice on education at all, it's get your

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Speaker 2: kids to read. I think it's going to become even

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Speaker 2: more important in an AI era, where having the ability

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Speaker 2: to distinguish truth from fiction and real from fake is

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Speaker 2: going to become maybe the most important skill set that

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Speaker 1: And I would say that exists. Now.

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Speaker 2: Look, I live to this, and all I can tell

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Speaker 2: you is, I don't think the full story on the

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Speaker 2: power of the left to take over advertising marketing and

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Speaker 2: recognize it as a area that they can control and

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Speaker 2: dominate all this discourses. It's a cultural and economic choke point,

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Speaker 2: a huge one. I don't think most people will even

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Speaker 1: Multi million fan and you would think would be about

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Speaker 1: you know, smashing volleyballs in the girl's faces. But Clay,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about this assessment from J K.

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Speaker 1: Rowling because she kind of she kind of ripped Gladwell's

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Speaker 1: she went she went for the juggular. Here she was

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Speaker 2: I think it's particularly interesting because I would see them

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Speaker 2: would bet JK. Rowing is basically the best selling fiction

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Speaker 2: author of her generation.

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Speaker 1: I think she's the first author billionaire from actual works

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Speaker 1: that title, and I would submit, you, said Michael Lewis.

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Speaker 2: But I would bet Malcolm Gladwell has sold more copies

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Speaker 2: of nonfiction books than almost anybody of his generation. Certainly

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Speaker 2: he's worth I would bet hundreds of millions of dollars

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Speaker 2: because of his books. When I read this you sent

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Speaker 2: It actually to me read as she knows that he's

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Speaker 2: a fraud on a personal level.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we been talking about this beforehand, but I

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Speaker 1: think she knows stuff. Go ahead, so I just thunder.

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Speaker 2: You're right when when sometimes if you see a particular

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Speaker 2: venom from people in public life, it's because Hey, I'm

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Speaker 2: not going there fully about what I know about you,

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Speaker 2: but I'm not going to give you grace because I

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Speaker 2: know you're full of it. I've never met Malcolm Gladwell.

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Speaker 2: I have no relationship with him. I have no knowledge

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Speaker 2: of him on a personal level. I've enjoyed several of

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Speaker 2: his books, that's my full scope. I've never met JK.

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Speaker 1: Rowling.

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Speaker 2: I don't know anything about her. I find it hard

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Speaker 2: to believe that the two of them, given their prominence

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Speaker 2: that he's a fraud, different in public than in private,

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Speaker 2: because it's such a takedown.

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Speaker 1: To me.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't read as someone just has a different political

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Speaker 2: fraud who is truly a weather vein, and you can't

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Speaker 2: trust him, and she's basically coming after him for that reason.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's bigger than the disagreement, right, And.

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Speaker 1: So that the thing that I totally agree with here

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Speaker 1: in your assessment is that she was on a panel

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Speaker 1: or saw him with someone on a panel. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I even saw Matt Tayibe, who was a man solidly

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Speaker 1: approached things with some journalistic objectivity and honesty. He has

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Speaker 1: found himself in agreement with the right more and more,

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Speaker 1: a little bit like Glenn Greenwald for example. Like Glenn

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Speaker 1: is I completely disagree with him on some things, Israel

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Speaker 1: being one of them. But when you talk about First

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Speaker 1: Amendment and free speech stuff and government transparency, he agrees

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Speaker 2: And a lot of discussion coming out of RFK Junior's

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Speaker 1: So like you're really you're really buttering up rallying from afar. Okay,

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Speaker 1: But Clay, the other part of this is, and this

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Speaker 1: I imagine if it were possible to do this, it

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Speaker 1: If you could give somebody cross sex hormones and truly

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Speaker 1: transform them into something that is physically indistinguishable from a woman.

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Speaker 1: There would still be this whole like should you do that?

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Speaker 1: What are the of doing that? But that's not even

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Speaker 1: They do not come across to the broader society as women.

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Speaker 1: And I've had this debate of people say, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: heart of all this. The whole notion of gender affirmation

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Speaker 1: skips the fact that the transition never works. And if

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Speaker 1: and if it's not about the physical transition, why go

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Speaker 1: emotional state that must be respected, why do this? You know,

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Speaker 1: the snip and the change and the and the tuck

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Speaker 1: about the physical change, Well, the physical change is always insufficient.

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Speaker 1: And that's part of this that never gets discussed. You

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Speaker 2: Lie also a lie basically everything they told us during COVID.

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Speaker 2: So then how do you expect And this is the

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Speaker 2: magically you sit down and it's fine. When they told

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Speaker 2: you that you could not go outside at all, and

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Speaker 2: then George Floyd happens, and they suddenly say, actually, it's

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Speaker 2: imperative that you go out and join hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 2: of people in march in close unison in the streets

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Speaker 2: to protest against systemic racism. How in the world can

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Speaker 2: you trust anything that public health authorities are saying now?

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Speaker 2: And I think that is well. I ask doctor Latipo

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Speaker 2: RFK Junior's back. I don't presume that he's right on everything.

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Speaker 2: I don't presume that anybody's right on everything, but I'm

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Speaker 2: willing to listen to him because he correctly diagnosed much

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Speaker 2: and so I find it somewhat We were talking about

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Speaker 2: this a little bit yesterday. Why do kids today get

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Speaker 2: twice as many vaccinations as you and I got when

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Speaker 2: we were babies.

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Speaker 1: Buck.

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Speaker 2: That seems like a question that's very legitimate to ask.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, lots of vaccinations are good. We

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Speaker 2: should stop polio from happening. That's a good thing, right,

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Speaker 2: we should stop we should stop things that can kill baby.

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Speaker 1: Vaccines are and I'm excited for all the emails on this.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying all vaccines today, but vaccines as a

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Speaker 1: general medical breakthrough have probably and I'm taking this back

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Speaker 1: now two hundred years, have probably saved more human lives

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Speaker 1: than any other medical advance in history. Just now, that

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that every that you need seventy vaccines for

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Speaker 1: your kids today, but it just we got to keep

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Speaker 1: it in perspective. There are vaccines, there have been vaccines

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Speaker 1: we want to keep everybody from getting. We are decidedly

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Speaker 1: anti smallpox on them, like plays anti murder at polio.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of things that it's very good

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Speaker 2: that do not exist. But I do think it's fair

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Speaker 2: to say, is it appropriate to give every kid twice

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Speaker 2: as many vaccinine vaccine doses today as their average kid

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Speaker 2: got into any when I was a baby. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: to doctor Latipo about this, but I just think, for example, antibiotics.

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Speaker 2: Antibiotics as a general class of medication are incredible and

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Speaker 2: and if you have certain infections, the fact that antibiotics

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Speaker 2: exist are like a miracle. Now does that mean that

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Speaker 2: every time you have a cold and I've you know,

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Speaker 2: you should be taking like a Z packet? Is there

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Speaker 2: overuse of antibiotics? Are we creating antibiotic resistant bacteria with ato? Yes,

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Speaker 2: there are problems, but that's a different thing than just

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Speaker 2: saying I'm opposed to antibiotics right, or that I think

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Speaker 1: So I just we got to keep it in perspective.

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Speaker 1: You're there are there are some good vaccines, and there

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Speaker 1: are some worthless and bad vaccines, and there are some

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Speaker 1: vaccines that have been more dangerous than they were worth.

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Speaker 1: And all this stuff is true, but it's not a

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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a little I'm a little surprised sometimes

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Speaker 1: that some of the emails that I get on this

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not seeing this one. I got to

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Speaker 1: And I live in Florida. You know what we think

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for being with us. Everybody, appreciate all

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Speaker 1: of you listening to us here. And we're gonna dive

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Speaker 1: into a couple of stories. One is this boat, Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess we'll call it a kinetic strike on a

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Speaker 1: suspected NARCO vessel Narco terrorist vessel making its way through

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Speaker 1: things on that boat into the United States. And Pete Hegseth,

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Speaker 1: is Look, there's just some facts that to be aware

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Speaker 1: of it. This is an escalation. We've never done this before,

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Speaker 1: so it is new. This is not business as usual

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Speaker 1: in fighting the cartels. We've never been in a position

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Speaker 1: where we've used a immediate lethal force on a non

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Speaker 1: Here is Secretary of Defense Hegseth speaking exactly about this

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Speaker 1: or inspecific about this situation. Plate twenty one. Legal authority

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Speaker 1: that depending on in both to strike that both full

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Speaker 1: of drug snuffles.

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Speaker 7: We have the absolute and complete authority to conduct that.

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Speaker 7: First of all, just the defense of the American people alone.

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Speaker 7: One hundred thousand Americans were killed each year under the

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Speaker 7: previous administration because of an open border, an.

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Speaker 1: Open drug traffic flow.

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Speaker 4: That is an assault on the American people.

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Speaker 7: I said, we smoked the drug boat and there's eleven

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Speaker 7: narco terrace at the bottom of the ocean, and when

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Speaker 7: other people try to do that, they're going to beat

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Speaker 7: the same faith.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of the clay?

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Speaker 2: I think the question is how do we solve the

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Speaker 2: issue of fentanyl coming across our southern border in particular,

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Speaker 2: The drug war has failed. I think most of you

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Speaker 2: my inclination was just to say we should legalize more drugs,

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Speaker 2: we should spend less money fighting against it. But these

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Speaker 2: We need a game changing element to truly alter things,

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Speaker 2: because what we're doing right now, frankly, isn't working now.

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Speaker 2: Securing the southern border is a huge part of this

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Speaker 2: we have now done that, it appears they're still in

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Speaker 2: Times about how incredibly sophisticated the cartels have become when

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Speaker 2: they've had submarines for a long time to clay. They're

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 1: You know, they were there just in case we needed

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Speaker 1: them as a liaison during the counter terrorism work. But

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Speaker 1: the things that we would talk about, the sophistication of

651
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Speaker 1: the cartels was was extremely high. And one of the

652
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Speaker 1: problems you have is even as seizures go up, so

653
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Speaker 1: as you get more of the illegal drugs, it's a

654
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Speaker 1: supply and demand curve, so price street price can go

655
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Speaker 1: up so you have to, you know, to keep in

656
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Speaker 1: mind that if you were to if we were to

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Speaker 1: get one and or if we were to get rather

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Speaker 1: three out of four drug loads and take them out

659
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Speaker 1: of circulation, it's still probably be very profitable for the

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Speaker 1: cartels to do what they're doing. That's the problem is

661
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Speaker 1: that is that you have this very steep economic analysis.

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Speaker 1: I mean you you brought this up in the context

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Speaker 1: of if somebody thinks that they can feed their family

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Speaker 1: for a year, are they going to Are there going

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Speaker 1: to be people willing to risk twenty years in prison

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Speaker 1: to bring a few kilos of cocaine into this country

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Speaker 1: on a fast boat or you know, fentanyl, whatever it

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Speaker 1: may be. The answer is yes. And for the cartels,

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Speaker 1: even if there are seizures of cartel product, they can

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Speaker 1: still make a whole lot of money if we were

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Speaker 1: to double the level of seizures. So this is the

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Speaker 1: challenge in trying to stop this stuff. It's there's a

673
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Speaker 1: lot of money to be made in this black market

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Speaker 1: for drugs, which obviously is killing a lot of America

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Speaker 1: pers well.

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Speaker 2: I think the question I have and I don't know

677
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Speaker 2: the answer, but I think it's a worthy one to

678
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Speaker 2: contemplate and debate. Does blowing up a speedboat that is

679
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Speaker 2: filled with illegal drugs that reports are refused multiple commands

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00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 2: to stop, by the way, so this was not completely

681
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Speaker 2: without some sort of provocation.

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Speaker 1: Can I add add to this, Clay. I think it's

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Speaker 1: important we have this discussion because Reuters was reporting there

684
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Speaker 1: have been there's been a deployment of ten fighter jets

685
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Speaker 1: to Puerto Rico to fight against drug cartels. Now that

686
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Speaker 1: hasn't been confirmed I think by the administration yet, but

687
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Speaker 1: that's what the report that I saw on Reuters is.

688
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: So the four they're now moving and for deploying more

689
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Speaker 1: assets that would be capable of doing these kind of strikes.

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Speaker 1: So to your point, we better really be clear on

691
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Speaker 1: is this something we have a constitutional that the president

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Speaker 1: has a constitutional and legal authority I mean those are

693
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Speaker 1: one of the same, but legal authority to do uh.

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Speaker 1: And what will the effects beyond on the war on drugs?

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Speaker 1: I will say this, people say the war on drugs

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Speaker 1: is filled. This does change the calculation. I think you

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00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: pointed this. This is my point. Yeah, this is a

698
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: different It's a different thing to face getting blown up

699
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Speaker 1: with a hell fire missile or whatever it is. My

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Speaker 1: wife is pointing out also that we have According to her,

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Speaker 1: and she's kind of an expert on this from her

702
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Speaker 1: law training, she says, this is the first time that

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Speaker 1: we have officially designated terrorist organizations that are dealing drugs

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Speaker 1: as terror organization, which changes the rules of engagement. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm quoting her, well, she's she's correct, and this is

706
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Speaker 1: when we remember. I think we talked to very high

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Speaker 1: level intel sources in this administration. Clay was there for

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Speaker 1: most of it. Unfortunately, when he showed up in flip

709
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: flops of the White House, they had to turn him away.

710
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Speaker 1: But I just want to get this legend started at

711
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Speaker 1: Clay was just like, yo, dude, I'm here for the

712
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm here for the high level intels.

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Speaker 2: You still don't have a real ID, and they would

714
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Speaker 2: not allow me in to meet with the directors of intelligence.

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Speaker 1: Keep We're gonna go back to the White House probably

716
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Speaker 1: like in the next few months. Can you please get

717
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Speaker 1: a real ID?

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Speaker 8: Sir?

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Speaker 1: All right, I don't have to tell everybody. I'm gonna

720
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Speaker 1: have to tattle tail on you to everybody again. Get

721
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Speaker 1: a real ID, Clay. It's complicated. You have to make

722
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Speaker 1: these appointments I'm on the air for four hours every day.

723
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Speaker 1: It's not that easy to just in the middle part

724
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Speaker 1: of the day go get a real ID. I have

725
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Speaker 1: a passport. But my thing here, in addition to all

726
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: of this is does it change the calculus?

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Speaker 2: Every drug dealer and drug smuggler in America is going

728
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Speaker 2: to see that video?

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Speaker 1: And I think, I don't think it's irrational.

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Speaker 2: Most people analyze risk reward in everything that we do

731
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Speaker 2: all day long, and one risk, clearly of being a

732
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Speaker 2: drug mule is you get caught and you go to

733
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Speaker 2: prison and you potentially have to serve time.

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Speaker 1: To ask you an honest quest, and I don't because

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Speaker 1: I can't put myself in the in the mindset of

736
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Speaker 1: of one of these drug mules or cartel employees, whatever

737
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Speaker 1: whatever you want to call them. Does spending twenty five

738
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Speaker 1: years in a US federal prison seem worse to them

739
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Speaker 1: than maybe just getting blown up and getting it all

740
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Speaker 1: done once I'm being you know, I don't know that that.

741
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Speaker 2: Could go either way. I think for some people, yeah,

742
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Speaker 2: I think it's a valid question. I think life risk

743
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Speaker 2: is different. So I don't know, first of all, none

744
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Speaker 2: of them, unless you're a drug mule listening right now,

745
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Speaker 2: and you want to call in and tell us the

746
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: drug mule thought process. As a rational person, my analysis

747
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Speaker 2: of people who are drug smugglers is they see it

748
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Speaker 2: as a way to make relatively short period of time,

749
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Speaker 2: life changing money for both them and their family. And

750
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Speaker 2: if you are required to risk time and prison, you

751
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: at least know that at some point in time you

752
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: can return to your family. I bet the cartels I

753
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: don't know this, but I bet the cartels give good

754
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: payouts even if you get arrested. I bet they go

755
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: back and take care of your family. To try to

756
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Speaker 2: encourage people to continue to take care of this risk.

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Speaker 2: This is mighty depends on what I think. If you're

758
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Speaker 2: a mule, maybe not. But if you're somebody, if you're

759
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 2: like a sacario, you know, as somebody that's done really

760
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: nasty stuff off hotels, they may.

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Speaker 1: Do some of that. But Clay, I also think that

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Speaker 1: this is what I was going to say about the

763
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Speaker 1: Intel meetings and just the discussions that were going on

764
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Speaker 1: in the White House. We have an incredibly and I

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Speaker 1: saw this up firsthand, we have an incredibly sophisticated counter

766
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Speaker 1: terrorism and by that I just to get more specific,

767
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Speaker 1: our ability to track, surveil, and blow up al Qaeda

768
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Speaker 1: style jihattis all over the world is pretty pretty incredible.

769
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Speaker 1: It has gotten to a point where the ability to

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Speaker 1: hit hvts in Yemen and Somalia, in Pakistani tribal areas,

771
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: and you name it is and there's a whole chain

772
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Speaker 1: of events that lead up to it, right I mean,

773
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Speaker 1: you know, finding these people, surveiling these people, the target set,

774
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Speaker 1: having the whether it's drones or whatever it is, we're

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Speaker 1: sending it after them. It looks like this administration is

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Speaker 1: gearing up to use that very sophisticated counter terrorism infrastructure

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Speaker 1: and strike capability against the cartels who are now designated

778
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Speaker 1: as narco terrorists, as your wife rightly points out, and

779
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Speaker 1: that is a whole new level of something for the

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Speaker 1: cartels to be considering.

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Speaker 2: I think getting blown up changes the calculus. That's my

782
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Speaker 2: ultimate analysis of the narco terror community. Because right now,

783
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Speaker 2: your worst case scenario is taking drugs. I guess your

784
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: worst case scenario is the cartel could become angry at

785
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: you and decide to kill you, which is why you

786
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Speaker 2: do your job. But I don't think you're anticipating that

787
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 2: your boat may get blown up, and so every narco

788
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: terrorist in America is going to be seeing that video,

789
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Speaker 2: and I think it's going to set off a warm belt.

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Speaker 1: Here's the biggest problem, though. The reason why the drug.

791
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Speaker 2: Trade exists is because there's lots of money to be

792
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: made from the drug trade, and ultimately people respond to

793
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: incentives when it comes to making money. To me, the

794
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: biggest challenge here is we haven't driven up the cost

795
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Speaker 2: of bringing drugs in to the point where it exceeds

796
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: the profit opportunity from the drug dealer, and that is

797
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: ultimately why they're engaging in rational economic decision making, even

798
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 2: if we disagree with the choices that they're making.

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Speaker 1: I would also point out that in discussions that I

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00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: had with members of border patrol in years past, and

801
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: particularly under the Biden Free for all open Border years,

802
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: Clay the cartels at one point or at a certain

803
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 1: phase of this, when the border was just wide open

804
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Speaker 1: with the ten million coming in, we're making more, they

805
00:43:55,239 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: estimated on human smuggling than on drug smuggling. So that

806
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: means billions of dollars, billions and billions of dollars on

807
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: effectively controlling their side of the border. The Platza right

808
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: they break these up into territories and you have to pay.

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Speaker 1: And that's where the wristbands that I've seen the cartel

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Speaker 1: wristbands and giant piles on the ground, because if you

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Speaker 1: don't have that ristband, I mean, they'll pull you aside

812
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: and execute you, right, I mean, you know, they'll do

813
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: terrible things to you. So you've got to have that

814
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: wristband the show that you paid. But Trump is shut

815
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: down that income stream. They're not coming into the country

816
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Speaker 1: anymore that way, which means that now they have a

817
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Speaker 1: greater desperation on getting money via the drug trafficking, which

818
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: is made substantially harder as well because the resources that

819
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Speaker 1: we're going to the humanitarian mission at the border, i e.

820
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Speaker 1: Taking in illegals making sure they're not you know, dying

821
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: of some disease or something like that, now that's all

822
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Speaker 1: focused on the So they have a higher need to

823
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Speaker 1: make money off the drug trade, and we have a

824
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Speaker 1: greater focus and resource on the drug trade. So you know,

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Speaker 1: this is a very different situation than was even eighteen

826
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Speaker 1: months ago in terms of what the cartels are facing.

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Speaker 1: And if we ramp up the strikes, the attacks and

828
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Speaker 1: the pressure on them, this this isn't this is a

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Speaker 1: new phase. That's all like, this is a we have

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Speaker 1: not seen something like this in a long time.

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Speaker 2: Let me also, I'm gonna say this every time we

832
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: have a discussion about drugs, you need to talk to

833
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 2: your kids and grandkids. They are often dying without even

834
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: understanding the drug that they're taking, so they can think

835
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: that they're taking a party drug. They can think, especially

836
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: go off to college, you're often you're in your twenties

837
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: in a college town, you're in a big city, and

838
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: you're off on your own. There are so many kids

839
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Speaker 2: that are dying of poisoning. They're not really dying of

840
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: overdosing because they're not they're not taking what they thought

841
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: they were taking. And you need to impress upon your

842
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: kids that the intermixing between these highly dangerous, deadly drugs

843
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: and the ones they think are party drugs, which are

844
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 2: they're gonna be fine from and they're just gonna have

845
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: a great time. It's ecstasy ishue, or it's cocaine, or

846
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: it's something that they're not afraid of dying from taking.

847
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: They need to understand that there is a huge risk

848
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Speaker 2: and I but this is a sign of how crazy

849
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: it is people who are huge party drug people are

850
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: now using strips to check and see before they take

851
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 2: their party drugs, whether it's fentanyl or not. I don't

852
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: think there's a ton of college kids doing this. I

853
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 2: don't think that that's a die hard party drug person

854
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 2: who's doing that testing. But there are people basically dying

855
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: of poisoning, tens of thousands of them every single year.

856
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: Your kids need to know about this.

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Speaker 1: We'll take your calls here coming up in a moment,

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Speaker 1: also again on some of your talkbacks, and we've got

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00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: Denche Desuza will be with us talking about his new movie,

860
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: which I think you're gonna want to hear about. Or sure.

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Speaker 1: We like to cover the cultural angle of things here too,

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Speaker 1: and you know we got we've got amazing job, Clay,

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Speaker 1: and I'm doing this radio show every day. But you

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in everybody to Clay and Buck. We are

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Speaker 1: joined by Denesh Desuza, author and filmmaker. His latest film,

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Speaker 1: The Dragons Prophecy documentary scheduled for release on October ninth,

902
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Speaker 1: and we wanted to talk to about it. Denish, I

903
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: believe today it's seven hundred days of war between Israel

904
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Speaker 1: and Gaza. This ties into your film. Tell us about

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Speaker 1: the Dragon's Prophecy.

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Speaker 4: Well, the film is based on the idea that October

907
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 4: seventh is not an ordinary attack. It's a kind of

908
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 4: a biblical event in other words, just an event of

909
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 4: epical significance. And I think what the film does is

910
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Speaker 4: that it tries to raise the level of the current debate,

911
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 4: which is a little bit stuck. You know, on the

912
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Speaker 4: left you keep hearing colonialism, colonialism, genocide. Of course, on

913
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Speaker 4: the right you have a different type of critique that

914
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Speaker 4: is made of Israel. This film, what it does is

915
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Speaker 4: it exposes the conflict in the light of ancient biblical

916
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 4: battles between the Israelites and the Philistines. Now, very interestingly,

917
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Speaker 4: the word Philistine and pale and Palestinian are connected. They're

918
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Speaker 4: in fact the same name. And one of the things

919
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Speaker 4: we expose in the film is the way in which

920
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Speaker 4: the tactics of the Palestinians resemble the battles of the

921
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Speaker 4: ancient Philistine. So it's it's a very creepy idea that

922
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Speaker 4: the past is now back to haunt us in a

923
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Speaker 4: new way. But we're throwing a kind of new light

924
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Speaker 4: on these events, looking at it somewhat through the lens

925
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Speaker 4: of the Bible.

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Speaker 2: I was over there to Nash and I know some

927
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Speaker 2: people have had the opportunity to go visit the Kibbutz's

928
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Speaker 2: the Nova Music Festival location. I mean, it's really unbelievable,

929
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Speaker 2: I think to see in person and crystallizes what exactly happened.

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Speaker 2: I imagine you have some of that footage. I imagine that

931
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Speaker 2: you also have traveled to Israel. What did you find

932
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Speaker 2: when you have been to Israel itself? As part of

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Speaker 2: telling this story.

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Speaker 4: First of all, we have October seventh footage that people

935
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Speaker 4: have literally never seen. The opening scene of the film

936
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Speaker 4: is so shocking that we have actually had some people

937
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Speaker 4: who get a bit squeamish about it. So there's a

938
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Speaker 4: little bit of a graphic violence warning. Because the weird

939
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Speaker 4: thing is after October seventh, the Israeli government made the

940
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Speaker 4: decision not to sort of release footage, even though some

941
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Speaker 4: of it had been live stream by Hamas. The Israeli

942
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Speaker 4: government said, basically, we're going to bring in small groups

943
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Speaker 4: of journalists, hoping that they're going to be fair and

944
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Speaker 4: well meaning. We'll show them the footage so that they

945
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Speaker 4: can then their eyes will be open, not realizing that

946
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Speaker 4: these journalists from the BBC, from AP, from Sky News,

947
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Speaker 4: very left wing, had no interest in taking a look

948
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Speaker 4: at any of this footage or seeing it significance at all.

949
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Speaker 4: So we begin the film basically by putting you right

950
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Speaker 4: there in October seventh. Then we take you to the

951
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Speaker 4: kibbutz's and we interview survivors just a couple of them,

952
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Speaker 4: But again, the stories are so haunting their first person,

953
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Speaker 4: they're people who saw it with their own eyes. Because

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Speaker 4: I think you can't discuss the war now without reference

955
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Speaker 4: to a the events of October seventh, then second, understanding

956
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Speaker 4: the significance of those events.

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, speaking of Nash the SuDS, I was going

959
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Speaker 2: to build on that. You mentioned the response on the

960
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 2: right where some people are angry at Israel's response to Hamas.

961
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Speaker 2: I don't think it surprises people necessarily that the left

962
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: in many ways has taken the side of the Palestinians

963
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Speaker 2: because they see them as brown, they see them as

964
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Speaker 2: the colonized, they see Israel as the colonizer. It is

965
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: a bastardized version of history that they're applying. But what

966
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: do you think about the anti Israel element of the

967
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 2: right that now exists as well? What would you tell

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Speaker 2: that those individuals.

969
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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I would tell them I can

970
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Speaker 4: kind of understand where they're coming from. Where they're coming

971
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 4: from is that, you know, the United States has gotten

972
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 4: involved in a lot of foreign entanglements and it's generally

973
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 4: worked out pretty badly, at least in the last quarter century.

974
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 4: Iraq Of course, a lot of these same conservatives are

975
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Speaker 4: against the Ukraine War, so they're basically saying, well, why

976
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 4: should we be for Israel, and you know, an indifference

977
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Speaker 4: to what's happening in Ukraine. Either we're in or out.

978
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 4: The second thing that they have is this concern that

979
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:08,959
Speaker 4: somehow the Israeli tail is wagging the American dog. Now again,

980
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 4: on the face of it, this is a little absurd, right.

981
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 4: You have a country of what ten or twelve million people,

982
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 4: It's got a gross national product a tiny fraction of

983
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 4: the US. It's the size of New Jersey. It doesn't

984
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 4: have anything like the weaponry we do. So how this

985
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 4: little mosquito can somehow control the elephant is itself like baffling, right,

986
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 4: doesn't make any sense. When I debated this with Nick

987
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 4: fluente Is a few months ago, I told him if

988
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 4: the Jews could truly control America, maybe they are the

989
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 4: master race. You know, I was being sarcastic, but the

990
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 4: point being that the shoe that was raised I think

991
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 4: legitimately by Tucker Carlson in his discussion with Ted Cruz

992
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 4: is he said, are the Jews of today like Nedan

993
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 4: Yahu's Jews? The true descendants of the ancient Israelite. This

994
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 4: is a topic that is completly settled in the movie,

995
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 4: and we do it essentially through biblical archaeology, so we

996
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 4: kind of take you into the archaeological digs. Part of

997
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 4: it is, if I'm giving a biblical analysis of what's

998
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 4: going on, I want to consider the skeptical question, how

999
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 4: do we know the Bible is even true? How do

1000
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 4: we know that the historical events described in the Bible

1001
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 4: are even valid? Was there really a King David? Was

1002
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 4: there really an Isaiah and a Jeremiah? And this is

1003
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 4: an element that is shown in the movie, and it's

1004
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Speaker 4: a very fascinating part of the puzzle.

1005
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Speaker 1: Speaking to Denish Suza and we're talking about his movie

1006
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: that's come out, and Denesh, why is it that the

1007
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: way this issue lines up is right after the October

1008
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: seventh events, And I mean right after, within certainly a

1009
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: few days, if not ours. You had people whom you

1010
00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: would expect on the left and in the Democrat party

1011
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: saying we need to cease fire, which to me and

1012
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,479
Speaker 1: Clay and I said this repeatedly the show. Right away,

1013
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: this would have been like saying right after the towers

1014
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: had come down, because of the mass casualty terror attack

1015
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: on nine to eleven in this country, we need to

1016
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: cease fire with al Qaeda, Like now's the time to

1017
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: really just hold back and have it. It seemed crazy

1018
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: and in the most obvious bad faith. Where does the

1019
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: left get this? Like why is the left dug in

1020
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: on the side of Hamas and against Israel and the

1021
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: Jewish people in this country?

1022
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 4: The left in a way accepts the premise of the

1023
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 4: radical Muslims that Israel is the little Satan and America

1024
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 4: is the great Satan. So when they start from that premise,

1025
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 4: that's as starting out premise they consider Israel to be

1026
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 4: an illegitimate occupier of that land. I think, how crazy

1027
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 4: this is? Right, the Jews have been there for four

1028
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 4: thousand years since the days of Abraham. Sure they went

1029
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 4: into a diaspora, but not of their own choosing. If

1030
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 4: the Jews are packed up and left, I'd understand people

1031
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 4: would say, well, you chose to leave, But they were

1032
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 4: pushed out, kicked out, burned out, so they fled and

1033
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 4: then they returned to their native homeland. So I think that.

1034
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 4: I think that, and then if you look at the

1035
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 4: example of America, you gave the example of nine to eleven.

1036
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 4: But you could look at Pearl Harbor, you could look

1037
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 4: at Germany. Imagine if we were to say, after Pearl Harbor, listen,

1038
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 4: there were only a few thousand Americans killed in Pearl Harbor.

1039
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 4: Why did the United States have to go to Japan

1040
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 4: and draw up atomic bombs and was contemplating an invasion

1041
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 4: of Japan? How can you justify so many more Japanese

1042
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 4: civilian casualties compared to the relatively low number of civilian casualties.

1043
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 4: All of this is just like nonsense because basically Japan

1044
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 4: started it an unprovoked attack. You know, It's almost like

1045
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 4: if you or I have a home invasion and the

1046
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 4: guy comes in and he murders your wife, he rapes

1047
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 4: your daughter, he kills your kids. He runs away, You

1048
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 4: chase him, You grab your gun and chase him. He

1049
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 4: gets into his car, but then he comes up with

1050
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 4: his own wife and kids, sticks them in front of him,

1051
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 4: and he basically goes, you can't shoot because you're going

1052
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 4: to have civilian casualties. And you have to say to

1053
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 4: that guy, well, listen, you are the one putting your

1054
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 4: wife and family in danger. I'm not aiming at your wife,

1055
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 4: I'm aiming at you, and deservedly so, and so you're

1056
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 4: using your own family as a human shield. So I

1057
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 4: think that in a way captures for me the kind

1058
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 4: of moral analysis to apply here. And that's why I

1059
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 4: find the kind of right wing critique of Israel in

1060
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 4: some ways very baffling, although I try very fair mindedly

1061
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 4: to engage it in the film.

1062
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Speaker 2: What is the end result here? I mean, Hamas still

1063
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 2: has seven hundred days coming up on the two year anniversary.

1064
00:57:55,400 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 2: Hamas still has over twenty or twenty ish. I believe hostages,

1065
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 2: including unfortunately likely dead bodies that they're holding on to.

1066
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: Is there hope in your mind for peace in the

1067
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: Middle East. Trump has now been in office for a while.

1068
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 2: There's been lots of talk about ceasefires and what some

1069
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: sort of resolution for this process.

1070
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Speaker 1: Looks like.

1071
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: Israel's been at war for nearly two years now. There's

1072
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Speaker 2: big fights inside of Israel over whether the supremely religious

1073
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 2: Orthodox Jews should be called up to fight because they

1074
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: have mobilized so many troops, men and women to fight.

1075
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Speaker 1: How does this end? What should be the conclusion?

1076
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Speaker 4: I will say that if the Bible is correct, this

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Speaker 4: problem fundamentally will not be solved, and by that I

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Speaker 4: mean that it will remain a festering sore. And that's

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Speaker 4: really odd, right, because the India Pakistan isshue flares up,

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Speaker 4: but then it's swimmers down. The Northern Ireland conflict has

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Speaker 4: gone away. But somehow, in all my adult lifetime, you've

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Speaker 4: had American presidents marching over there with one peace plan

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Speaker 4: after another, from Carter to Clinton. This stuff never gets

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Speaker 4: sort of permanently fixed. Now, having been having said that,

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Speaker 4: I think that Trump's idea, which is ultimately to fight

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Speaker 4: this kind of deep you can call it, you know,

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Speaker 4: this jihadi enmity and replace it with sort of commercial prosperity,

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Speaker 4: in other words, replace it with washing machines and small

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Speaker 4: maybe having an administrative authority that's made up of the

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Speaker 4: other Arab countries in conjunction with the United States, so

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Speaker 4: in other words, you've got Egyptians and Saudi's and Jordanians

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Speaker 4: kind of watching over Gaza. This is a kind of

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Speaker 4: ingenious idea. To my knowledge, it's never been not only tried,

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Speaker 4: it's never been contemplated this way before. So I think

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Speaker 4: Steve Witcoff. The envoy maybe onto something, and it's possible

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Speaker 4: that we're going to see progress, But are we going

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Speaker 2: We appreciate the time. We encourage people to go check

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