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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Kate Ray with us the paranormal investigator, researcher, podcaster and

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Speaker 2: noted author. She regularly writes for a Haunted magazine, gives

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Speaker 2: talks about a range of paranormal subjects at conferences in

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Speaker 2: the United Kingdom. It appears on shows such as Help

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Speaker 2: My House is Haunted. Kate has interest spanning the world

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Speaker 2: of the weird, but focuses on the spooky side of fairies. Kate,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the program. How have you ben?

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Speaker 3: Good morning and thank you for having me along. George,

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Speaker 3: I'm really good. Thank you to say it quite early

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Speaker 3: here in the UK.

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Speaker 2: And Happy New Year.

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Speaker 3: Happy New Year, Jo Kate.

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Speaker 2: How did you get interested in the unusual?

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Speaker 3: I suppose I've always had an interest in not so

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Speaker 3: much ghost but the paranormal, the weird, the fourteen Well,

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Speaker 3: very early I had an understanding that something else existed

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Speaker 3: in the world, and that sparked my interest into researching

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Speaker 3: and going further into the field.

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Speaker 2: Since you've been doing this how many years now.

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Speaker 3: In the field, actually working on the ground. It's over

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Speaker 3: seven years, but the research probably started in my early teen,

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Speaker 3: sort of eleven or twelve years old, when I first

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Speaker 3: picked up a magazine called Fourteen Times. I'm sure you're

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Speaker 3: aware of fourteen Times. Yeah, definitely. That kind of really

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Speaker 3: got me into, you know, there was more out there

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Speaker 3: in the world than meets the high.

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Speaker 2: Since you've become a paranormal investigator, what has been one

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Speaker 2: of the strangest things you've unraveled.

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's been. There's been lots of different experiences, I

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Speaker 3: think getting into the gays side of things. I actually

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Speaker 3: got into that because I was incredibly terrified of ghosts

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Speaker 3: and poltergeist, and I think it's probably been those things

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Speaker 3: that have been the strangest. It's been a porting objects

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Speaker 3: and things like wall shaking and objects being thrown. Definitely

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Speaker 3: into things like seeing other beings which are inexplicable and

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Speaker 3: really inexplicable within the world of ghost hunting.

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Speaker 2: I remember seeing a picture years ago of the cutting

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Speaker 2: leaf theories. Have you seen that picture? I have?

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Speaker 3: Yes. I recently wrote for doctor Simon Young and essay

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Speaker 3: in his book about Cottonlee Fairy, so I'm very aware

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Speaker 3: of the Cottony Cape.

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Speaker 2: Yes, does it look real to you? Does it look

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Speaker 2: at Seneca? Do they look like cutouts?

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Speaker 3: I think they falled the world for a very very

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Speaker 3: long time, and I think I was part of that

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Speaker 3: being fulled, especially with the first rapt of photos that

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Speaker 3: came out for the girls. But it's all been fighted

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Speaker 3: that the very last photo that was taken was a

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Speaker 3: real photo. I mean, looking back on those pictures now

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Speaker 3: was it was a very clever hoax. But you do

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Speaker 3: get a sense now that they probably work with out

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Speaker 3: and it was. It was two girls who were trying

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Speaker 3: to show the world that fairies did exist, and that's

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Speaker 3: the way they did it, and very cleverly.

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Speaker 2: Would you say, in terms of your investigations, Kide that

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Speaker 2: fairies are your expertise.

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Speaker 3: They have become I've almost become I feel like an

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Speaker 3: advocate for fairies. Andy're not so much the fairies that

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Speaker 3: we think about in terms of tinker Bell and those

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Speaker 3: that will bestow discs on human beings, but the more

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Speaker 3: mischievous or the malevolent side of the fairies. I seem

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Speaker 3: to have become a talking a talking voice for them

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Speaker 3: in terms of going out and giving talks about fairies.

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Speaker 3: In terms of hauntings and their connection with the spirits

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Speaker 3: of the dead, So that that's kind of the side

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Speaker 2: What are theories as far as you're concerned.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's that's an age old question. That's a huge question.

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Speaker 3: I think for me personally, they are hysterical beings, ones

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Speaker 3: and often are seen by human beings, but they live

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Speaker 3: in another dimension, in the in betwixt dimension, and they

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Speaker 3: can take on a plafora forms from the ones that

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Speaker 2: Are leprechauns one and the same or is that different?

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Speaker 3: Lepicorns? Definitely, I would include them in the fairy realm.

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Speaker 3: They are very much part of Irish mythology, so they

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Speaker 2: Are faeries physical or supernatural?

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Speaker 3: I think those a bit of both. I think supernatural inherently,

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Speaker 3: but I think that they can manifest into a material

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Speaker 3: but not in the way that we are human solid

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Speaker 3: I don't think you could actually take hold of one

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Speaker 3: be able to interact within our material world. I mean

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Speaker 3: we're seeing in folklore there are lots of references to

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Speaker 3: things like house brown is who will help out within house,

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Speaker 3: so they can actually pick up objects and move objects.

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Speaker 3: They can interact with household. We have references to things

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Speaker 3: like elf locks, where pixies will plat hair or make

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Speaker 2: Now, how do ghosts fit into the world of fairies kid?

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Speaker 3: For me, it was a bit of a strange journey.

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Speaker 3: So I started off as a paranormal researcher and I

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Speaker 3: started to do to look into mediumship, and I started

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Speaker 3: that actually the dead were very reluctant to speak to me,

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Speaker 3: to come forward and to give me information. But what

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Speaker 3: I did find were these other beings that I really

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Speaker 3: couldn't explain, that they were coming forward and were interacting

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Speaker 3: they were in haunted properties. And I found this fascinating

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Speaker 3: because I realized very quickly that these were beings within

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Speaker 3: the fay realm. Now you can imagine my colleagues within

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Speaker 3: the paranormal community when I said I was going to

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Speaker 3: met with much hilarity from a lot of my colleagues.

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Speaker 3: That the more and more collated evidence both in the

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Speaker 3: folk law extens and from my own experiences, the more

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Speaker 3: looking at the connection between fairies and the dead. We

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Speaker 3: can see lots of motives in folklore, and it's not

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Speaker 3: something that you would think automatically that fairies would, you know,

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Speaker 3: have a relationship with the dead, but historically we can

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Speaker 3: see things like fairies turning up at ancient burial mounds

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Speaker 3: along with spirits of ancestors. There's also we have faries

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Speaker 3: will wail out when a family member is going to die.

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Speaker 3: So that was kind of the beginning of the research

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Speaker 2: For me, what is when the average size of a theory, Oh,

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Speaker 2: they can range.

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Speaker 3: They can range from absolutely tiny a couple of centimeters

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Speaker 3: right the way up to giants. And I do include

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Speaker 3: answer to that. I mean for me that they span

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Speaker 3: in a similar way to the animal kingdom way. You

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Speaker 3: the way up into whales, etc. And they can shape shift,

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Speaker 3: so very very small beings, you know, can oftentimes shape

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Speaker 3: of their ethereal nature and because of the magic en

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Speaker 2: Are they mischievous?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they are mischievous to the point of they

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Speaker 3: can be malevolent. They don't have the same kind of

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Speaker 3: is something that they quite often like taking part in.

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Speaker 3: They find that incredibly fun, like a child would find

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Speaker 3: But the malevolent side comes out in very much a

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Speaker 3: way where they see human beings acting out in a

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Speaker 3: way that they don't like, something that goes against their

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Speaker 2: Are they born or created a kid?

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good question. So there are some folklore

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Speaker 3: although it's one of those things, like all things fairy,

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Speaker 3: it's very material. I believe that they come into existence.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe it's that it's a human way of

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Speaker 3: that some of these beings are actually thought forms, so

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Speaker 3: them into into existence. There are theories as well about

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Speaker 3: So there's that very Christian view of how fairies came

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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen anybody attacked by a fairy.

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Speaker 3: Physically? With my own I know, I do. I do

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Speaker 3: have suspicions that they take on poltergeist type activity, so

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Speaker 3: definitely slamming doors, throwing stones, you know, we know folkloric

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Speaker 3: could be seen as demonic behavior scratching, biting, pinching, pulling hair.

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Speaker 2: Do they cast spells on people?

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Speaker 3: Kid, Yes, we know for folk law that spells are cast.

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Speaker 3: Usually those spells are cast because human being has done

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Speaker 3: them wrong. We have stories, particularly about nursemaids who are

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Speaker 3: nursing fairy children are given ointments or medicines told not

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Speaker 3: to take those ointments and medicines, and they break that

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Speaker 3: We know that they've bestowed gifts on musicians in the

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Speaker 2: Do they cast curses on people?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Definitely. I have come across what I think of

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Speaker 3: as an ancestral line turse where a family member years

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Speaker 3: has actually come down a bloodline and repetitive happenings within

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Speaker 2: Pretty dramatic. It's dramatic, kid, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: Definitely? Definitely. It's not what we think of as fair,

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Speaker 2: What's the future store for these things, these creatures?

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Speaker 3: What's in store for them?

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Speaker 2: What do you think will happen?

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Speaker 3: I think they will carry on sort of flicking in

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Speaker 3: as COVID and the lockdowns carried on, more and more

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Speaker 3: people were gifting fairies things within woodlands and they seemed

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Speaker 3: particularly environmental issues. They will raise and make themselves known

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Speaker 2: How did they create tinker Bell?

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Speaker 3: So tinker Bell is possibly a notion that came out

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Speaker 3: of the Industrial Revolution, where fairies prior to that were

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Speaker 3: very rural and quite animistic and quite earthy. We saw

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Speaker 3: the Industrial Revolution and the fairies didn't go away, but

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Speaker 3: it became a little bit saucier, if you like, to

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Speaker 3: be more appealing to the masses, and we see things

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Speaker 3: very curvacious looking fairy with wings, and from that people

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Speaker 3: liked that image and liked the idea that these things

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Speaker 3: I think tinker Bell was born out of that particular image.

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Speaker 3: We have got reference to wings being prior to that,

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Speaker 3: and that's what people really know is when you say fairies,

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Speaker 3: people do think tinker Bell. They think is sweet but mischievous,

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Speaker 3: little sort of picture type character with wings.

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Speaker 2: Do you think fairies are pretty indicative of the United

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Speaker 3: Oh, they definitely span the globe in different guises and

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Speaker 3: people have very different names with them. I mean, for America,

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Speaker 3: the rough areas that the fairies went over with the

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Speaker 3: early settlers, So the Irish took over the electricorns. People

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Speaker 3: from Ireland took over their races as fairies with them. Now,

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Speaker 3: whether that was an actual physical thing and whether that

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Speaker 3: was a cultural thing, I have heard stories in modern

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Speaker 3: out a bowl of milk and honey for the lectracorns

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Speaker 3: from the Irish communities to appease them and to hope

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Speaker 3: that they will come into their into their lives and

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Speaker 3: do good and not be miss genious.

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