WEBVTT - You Get an "A" For Effort: Beautiful Plans, Become Ridiculous Crimes

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Zab look at you Za, I'm gonna start talking

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<v Speaker 2>like this, Zab Hellai.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that'd be really a good fit for you.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're huge costume jewelry uh huh, coral lipstick, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and caftan.

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<v Speaker 3>And really really floral perfume.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I mean you'll smell me common Yeah. Yeah, She's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>she's coming over to my house. And then I pull

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<v Speaker 2>up in my jaloppie.

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<v Speaker 3>Zab before you make that ground domb life change and

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<v Speaker 3>you have a question for you? Yes, do you know

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<v Speaker 3>what else is ridiculous? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I do?

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<v Speaker 3>I do?

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<v Speaker 2>Batman Batman? Yeah, but Mexican Batman Batman. Oh you know

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<v Speaker 2>we've talked Batman extensively, ad nauseum completely and so uh

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<v Speaker 2>you know John Batman d DS. Well, this is this

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<v Speaker 2>a there's a Mexican vigilante honestly, and they're calling him

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<v Speaker 2>Mexican Batman and he he's being hunted by the police

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<v Speaker 2>because he finds guys who's stolen like uh, motor scooters,

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<v Speaker 2>and he takes them and tapes them heavily to phone.

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<v Speaker 3>Polls like duct tapes.

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<v Speaker 2>Duct tapes them to lamp posts and he puts like

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<v Speaker 2>a sign over their head that tells what they've done.

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<v Speaker 2>It's taped to the post. And then like he draws

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<v Speaker 2>like mustaches or cat whiskers with pen on their face

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<v Speaker 2>and then he writes rato like a thief written on

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<v Speaker 2>their face, and then puts the stolen scooter at their

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<v Speaker 2>feet stolen again. And so they're calling him the Batman

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<v Speaker 2>of Lagos de Moreno. And it's this place in Jalisco,

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, the law enforce less.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh huh, where's like major cartel actions. Yeah, Mexican Batman.

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<v Speaker 2>Hunting around so terrifying. It looks very abu gray, like

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<v Speaker 2>the duct taping and the and they're just like arms

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<v Speaker 2>to their sides, are in front of them right, also

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<v Speaker 2>looks like sometimes it's two and one two on the

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<v Speaker 2>same post. I'm going to have Terry put these all

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<v Speaker 2>up on Instagram and so but if you don't have that,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't have Instagram, look up Mexican batman and

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<v Speaker 2>it's all over the all over the internet. So the

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<v Speaker 2>prosecutors are like, well, you know, these guys are actually

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<v Speaker 2>the victims for abduction and like assault because they're also

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<v Speaker 2>he beats the tar. Yeah, so they're all bloodied and

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<v Speaker 2>like they got cuts on their faces, missing a tooth.

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<v Speaker 3>Do we know for certain that they have stolen the

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<v Speaker 3>motorcycles and motorbikes discooters allegedly?

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<v Speaker 2>Allegedly, but like it's pretty pretty obvious.

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<v Speaker 3>That part of the leg work.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, he totally is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not just like you know, getting referrals.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally is. And so yeah, this started like in the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of June and it's gone on like there are

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<v Speaker 2>five cases, I think, so all the rude dudes have

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<v Speaker 2>been sending us this stuff and like I had seen

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<v Speaker 2>it independently and it was just like, this is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a Mexican batman? Awesomely awesomely ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>It's gone over.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten days, yes, ten day period. But I love the

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<v Speaker 2>cat whiskers drom on their faces.

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<v Speaker 3>That's an interesting touch. It's very Christian Bale batman. I

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<v Speaker 3>gotta hand on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very George Clooney batman.

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<v Speaker 3>It is not. There are no nipples, Clooney. Well, do

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<v Speaker 3>you know what else is ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 2>Please tell me?

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<v Speaker 3>You know how the most crimes we cover begin with

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<v Speaker 3>one of two things, either like this burning desire or

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<v Speaker 3>like a very calculated plan. Sure, right, And typically an

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<v Speaker 3>unplanned crime is the type that begins with desire, whereas

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<v Speaker 3>the planned crimes usually begin with like a goal and

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<v Speaker 3>some kind of like plan to get there. Right now, today,

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<v Speaker 3>I have for you, Elizabeth, crimes that were planned but

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<v Speaker 3>they failed because of the crimer's desire.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh no, yeah, that's the both world worst enemy.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,

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<v Speaker 3>hest and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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<v Speaker 3>and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>So saw Ridiculos got to work on it. I got

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<v Speaker 2>to work it out, zob.

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<v Speaker 3>It's coming together. It really is, Elizabeth, our first crime

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<v Speaker 3>today because I have a compendium of crimes. It hinges

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<v Speaker 3>on a mother's love, which can be a beautiful thing

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<v Speaker 3>as we no it guess, and if the stakes are

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<v Speaker 3>high enough, it could also be criminally ridiculous. So that's

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<v Speaker 3>the case with this crime. But before we dive into

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<v Speaker 3>this one, I have a question for you. It's about

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<v Speaker 3>your mom. Okay, tell me about your mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't talk about mama now.

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<v Speaker 3>My question is rather straightforward. Yeah, imagine you were in

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<v Speaker 3>prison serving a life sentence. Okay, okay, so you're imagining right, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm right there. My question is, do you think your mother,

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<v Speaker 3>working all by herself alone at night, would dig an

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<v Speaker 3>escape tunnel to free you from prison.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if she had to, she would, But honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>she'd spring me like the legal way.

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<v Speaker 3>Other ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, she will assemble, like better than the OJ dream team. Totally,

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<v Speaker 2>she would have It would be like you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>the Vultron.

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<v Speaker 3>They would come together and form a super Yeah, get

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<v Speaker 3>me out on jurisproof.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm standing legal grounds. If that wasn't possible, yeah, she

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<v Speaker 2>would totally.

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<v Speaker 3>Hire a French helicopter.

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<v Speaker 2>Team and come up with some crazy plan and pull

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<v Speaker 2>it off. She's tough. She's tough.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I was thinking. But now, for contrast, my

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<v Speaker 3>mother would not even raise a finger to get me

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<v Speaker 3>out of prison. Oh my god, are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 3>I can't imagine in her like small cramped spaces in

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<v Speaker 3>the dark, taking a tunnel that ain't happening, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>then then hiring a dream team. She'd be like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, honey, I tried, but I'm gonna pray about it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'd be like that ain't gonna work late. So now,

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<v Speaker 3>if you can believe it, there was a mother who

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<v Speaker 3>was faced with the same question, a mother in Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 3>and she did exactly what one would hope mother might too,

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<v Speaker 3>or I would hope she tried to dig a tunnel

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<v Speaker 3>to prison.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what That's what good, big bad mamas do, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I love a good big.

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<v Speaker 3>Band totally, Mama bear on the look on the for justice. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't know this woman's name, unfortunately it's never been released,

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<v Speaker 3>but we do know she was fifty one years old

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<v Speaker 3>at the time. We also know she traveled from her

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<v Speaker 3>home in the Mikalayev region in Ukraine to the Zapporiza

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<v Speaker 3>oblost in the settlement called Kamyantskiya. Sorry for my pronunciation,

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<v Speaker 3>but sure, I'm trying.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so offended right now. Once she don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>you really actually said, she.

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<v Speaker 3>Found a rental house for herself. She rented that and

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<v Speaker 3>according to the Ukrainian news outlets TSN, which in English

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<v Speaker 3>stands for Television News Service, they reported on her daring

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<v Speaker 3>prison break in. TSN explained that behind the prison's iron bars,

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<v Speaker 3>the institution held lifers and murderers, so it was like

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<v Speaker 3>a maximum security joint and the American magazine Popular Mechanics.

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<v Speaker 3>They also covered this story much easier to read in English.

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<v Speaker 3>From me and then their reporting, they found official records

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<v Speaker 3>that suggested the prison was the Vilneskaya in Stitution for

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<v Speaker 3>the Execution of Sentences number eleven. Okay, such like the

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<v Speaker 3>most like god, I know right Eastern European prisons.

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<v Speaker 2>I can see, I can see it, like printed on

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of vapor.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. Now, this is all backed up by the October

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty four Ukrainian Ombudsman National Preventative Mechanism Report. That's

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<v Speaker 3>basically a prison inspection. Right, So, at the time of

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<v Speaker 3>the most recent prison inspection, that facility in Vilniskaya they

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<v Speaker 3>had held a one hundred and sixty seven people. That

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<v Speaker 3>number included one hundred and four people who were sentenced

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<v Speaker 3>to life imprisonment. That's crazy numbers, one hundred and four,

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and sixty seven wiers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the rest of the marl.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, I hope I make it. Now, presumably her son

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<v Speaker 3>was one of the lifers, and I assume that means

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<v Speaker 3>he was in for murder. Once again, all the assumptions,

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<v Speaker 3>none of this is in the reporting. So this same

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<v Speaker 3>prison report from October twenty twenty four, they noted that

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<v Speaker 3>the Vilniskaya prison was in poor shape. They had numerous

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<v Speaker 3>buildings in the prison complex only partially usable or they

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<v Speaker 3>were listed as being in the middle of repairs. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>but the repairs had gone on for like twenty years.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I found that there was one building where only

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<v Speaker 3>five percent of its roof wasn't damaged. It was damaged.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not a conditions must have just been.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh completely, Yeah, I imagined wintertime, like you're getting snowed

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<v Speaker 3>on inside of the prison. Okay, you get the idea. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>imagine your son or your daughter is in this prison

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<v Speaker 3>serving a life sentence and they don't even have a

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<v Speaker 3>roof over their head, and that everyone around them is

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<v Speaker 3>basically a murderer. So obviously a mother's like, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>have to break my boy. Yeah right, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't have a kid. But if that happened to my nephew,

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<v Speaker 2>are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 3>See, you know, you couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Spring that kid so quickly, even if he was a

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<v Speaker 2>grown man.

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<v Speaker 3>So what was this mother's plan to free her son?

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<v Speaker 3>Great question, Elizabeth, it is you get right to the

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<v Speaker 3>point always. Her plan was, as I said, she'd tunnel

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<v Speaker 3>to the prison grounds. Then she'd like pop up in

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<v Speaker 3>the prison and somehow find and free her son. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, it's a classic she all breaks scenario. Once

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<v Speaker 3>I'm inside, I'm gonna get busy. Yeah. So she rents

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<v Speaker 3>that rental house I said, near the prison, and she

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<v Speaker 3>brought with her and an electric scooter.

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<v Speaker 2>Cute.

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<v Speaker 3>Why an electric scooter? Well, because the mom planned to

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<v Speaker 3>do some sight seeing. No, like some kidding like.

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<v Speaker 2>A moped scooter or like one of those push ones.

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<v Speaker 3>I think electric, like you know, like the bird scooters

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<v Speaker 3>that you see, yeah, lettering.

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<v Speaker 2>Downtown, the ones that people ride on the sidewalk at break.

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<v Speaker 3>Next speed they go over twenty five miles an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love when it's like a tourist in San

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<v Speaker 2>Francisco and it's like a girl in you know, awkward

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<v Speaker 2>sandals in the sundress and she's just hauling down ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>Her friend is on the scooter with me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really wobbly, and I'm just like I can't I

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<v Speaker 2>can't watch. I cannot watch them just eat gravel like this.

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<v Speaker 3>Is so Luckily mod did not eat any gravel. So

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<v Speaker 3>but what she really wanted. What she was after was

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<v Speaker 3>a form of travel that was both light so she

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<v Speaker 3>could lift it move it around, and also was silent.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good too, run silent, run deep. Exactly a weapon

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<v Speaker 2>if it's light enough.

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<v Speaker 3>Breaker.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm talking about. I take that scooter into

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<v Speaker 2>the prison and just right hi, Yeah, I'm like one coming.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, that's the noise that it makes when you

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<v Speaker 2>crack someone skull with a scooter?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever heard that? Sounds probably what I never

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<v Speaker 2>heard when it echoes through the halls of a dilapidated prison,

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<v Speaker 2>heads bursting like melons. Go ahead, tell the rest.

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<v Speaker 3>So every night, imagine this single mom fifty one year old,

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<v Speaker 3>hopped on her electric scooters, silently gliding through the darkness

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<v Speaker 3>as she.

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<v Speaker 2>Commutes to her She wore a cape.

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<v Speaker 3>So too, but also like a kerchief. Yeah, exactly got

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<v Speaker 3>the whole. So she said, there she is commuting to

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<v Speaker 3>her improvised dig site. You got the mental image. Since

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<v Speaker 3>she didn't want any of the locals to discover what

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<v Speaker 3>she was really up to when it was daytime, she

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<v Speaker 3>largely avoided any and all contact local folks, Like she

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<v Speaker 3>didn't leave the house. Yeah, she's like on straight Batman hours.

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<v Speaker 3>To put it in terms of yeah, so there she is,

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<v Speaker 3>laying low. She did do some grocery shopping apparently, but

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<v Speaker 3>other than that she kept her head down. She's there exactly, Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>She wasn't there to make any new friends, obviously, or

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<v Speaker 3>to find any silver haired lovers, so it wasn't hard

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<v Speaker 3>for her to keep focused and just be like all

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<v Speaker 3>about that tunnel life. So meanwhile, every night for about

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<v Speaker 3>three weeks, she'd sneak out on her silent electric scooter

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<v Speaker 3>commute to her dig site, and with none of her

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<v Speaker 3>neighbors ever catching on, she was like this ninja grandma, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>And she was so successful that at the first part

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<v Speaker 3>of her plan, the langlow totally successful. So even to

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<v Speaker 3>the point that Ukrainian news reporters when they asked the

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<v Speaker 3>locals about her and they like had a picture of her,

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<v Speaker 3>they like showed her the picture. No one in the

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<v Speaker 3>village recognized her, Like nobody they went to like the

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<v Speaker 3>main store in the village, like you know this woman,

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<v Speaker 3>yeah yip. So once she's at her dig site, right,

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<v Speaker 3>she get to work like she's on the clock, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So she's hand built this curious device to help her

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<v Speaker 3>with her tunnel plans. According to a local firefighter who

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<v Speaker 3>saw this handbuilt device, it was and I quote, a

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<v Speaker 3>special little cart made of plywood with small wheels that

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<v Speaker 3>she would lay down on and drive there. And the

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<v Speaker 3>thing was like seventy centimeters wide. Yes, so imagine it's

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<v Speaker 3>like twenty eight inches wide, so like a little over

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<v Speaker 3>two feet wide, and you're laying it down like it's

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<v Speaker 3>like not on rails like El Choppo with the motorcycle.

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<v Speaker 3>The same idea, something to be able to scurry or

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<v Speaker 3>scoot back and forth real yoah yeah, and also carry

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<v Speaker 3>loads of dirt with you get the idea, clever. Imagine

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<v Speaker 3>like all the research she's done for this tunnel is

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<v Speaker 3>like watching the prison movie The Great Escape, and she's like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna do everything they did. I will be Charles Bronson.

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<v Speaker 3>No I. So she's in her subterranean tunnel by hand,

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<v Speaker 3>by hand, Elizabeth, can you imagine being in your own

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<v Speaker 3>hand dug amateur tunnel night after no.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm terribly claustrophobe. I would lose it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>am terribly impatient in most things like that. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just digging. I'm like I can't. It would be faster

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<v Speaker 2>for me to go and get a job in the

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<v Speaker 2>prison and work my way up to and then be like,

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<v Speaker 2>gues ps, you're out of here.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't eve think you have to get that far.

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<v Speaker 3>Just get up to guard and just escort them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's easier. You get like a fake

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<v Speaker 2>you get's doing all this digging. Come a cook, put

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<v Speaker 2>the put the emphasis on fake papers. You have a

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<v Speaker 2>different ID, and then you weasele your way in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>And oh, you're just like the best employee. You can

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<v Speaker 2>do whatever you want.

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<v Speaker 3>I like your plan so good. With plans down the

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<v Speaker 3>street and around the corner on this plan from where

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<v Speaker 3>she is.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, kids have lemonade stands.

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<v Speaker 3>Outside, you've got criminals.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to set a table out like Charlie Brown psychiatrist,

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<v Speaker 2>except I'm just gonna be plans.

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<v Speaker 3>You're the lucy in this case.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. You just come to me and you're like, here's

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<v Speaker 2>my dilemma. I was like, all right, here's your plan.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to get two cousins out of Afghanistan. They're

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<v Speaker 3>locked up.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's do this. Sit down, let me get

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<v Speaker 2>out my paper, let's go.

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<v Speaker 3>So after three weeks of work, her tunnel had managed

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<v Speaker 3>to stretch thirty three feet towards the prison yard.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a long way, especially for.

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<v Speaker 3>One person working alone, but at night by themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>And how like what kind of soiler we.

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<v Speaker 3>I imagine it was pretty hard. It was pretty difficult ground.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't know, if we're talking winter, we're like,

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<v Speaker 3>you got frozen earth?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh forget it. There's no way she could.

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<v Speaker 3>Do it in the winter or even close. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe you're thawing out. I don't know. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>And then if it's summertime, mosquitos zerin.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think they're in the tunnels.

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<v Speaker 2>Could they chase you in there? They would follow me

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<v Speaker 2>in there.

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<v Speaker 3>Just chasing the heat. So one resident of vill in

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<v Speaker 3>the Sky I told the TSN News outlet quote the

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<v Speaker 3>mother prepared so thoroughly. Maybe she's a minder's daughter. It

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<v Speaker 3>would be difficult to simply dig three meters deep. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think she called an excavator, excavator.

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<v Speaker 2>Excavator Wait, so she went, o wait, three meters deep?

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, I'm trying to figure this out.

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<v Speaker 3>Three meters deep, thirty three feet long? Yeah, wow, there're

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<v Speaker 3>ten meters if you are right right right, keep it meters.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, keep it say so.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'm freaking out thinking about being in that tunnel.

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<v Speaker 3>Right over, nine to ten feet deep. No to go.

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<v Speaker 3>And also, by the way, she's just doing this all

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<v Speaker 3>full on, single mother style, handling it all by herself, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So to get rid of the excavated earth, she didn't

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<v Speaker 3>do like they did in the Great Escape, or they

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<v Speaker 3>filled their pockets with dirt and they secretly empty their

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<v Speaker 3>pockets as they walk around to the prison yard. Nope,

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<v Speaker 3>not her. Her plan was way simpler, right to the point.

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<v Speaker 3>She hauled the dirt from the tunnel and piled it

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<v Speaker 3>in an abandoned building not far from the prison smart, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So she's just got that. And I'm talking like, after

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<v Speaker 3>three weeks she had a small hill of earth. It

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<v Speaker 3>was literally tons of dirt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, three feet long. Bite whatever. Every day you call

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<v Speaker 2>her single mom. It reminds me of the time I

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<v Speaker 2>came here to headquarters and I had a bandana on,

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<v Speaker 2>like my head kerchief style, and you told me I

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<v Speaker 2>look like a seventies single mom who's having like irritated

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<v Speaker 2>at the price of cereal.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't like Marcia Mason would play you in the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like cutting coupons and really sweating it. But

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<v Speaker 2>guess what kids were gonna be? Okay, have never worn

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<v Speaker 2>a bandana kerchief since I'm so sorry, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So the trouble for this dedicated single mother was although

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<v Speaker 3>she had dug the thirty three feet ten meters, she

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<v Speaker 3>still had another two hundred meters to go or about

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<v Speaker 3>six hundred, oh good sixty feet, Elizabeth, she wasn't even

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<v Speaker 3>like tenth of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Way they're telling you. She got to come to me

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>Five percent is not. Long story short, the single mom

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<v Speaker 3>on a mission never really got close to the prison fence,

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<v Speaker 3>let alone into or under the prison grounds. Her tunnel

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<v Speaker 3>was discovered by prison staff long before that occurred. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>how was it discovered? Great question? Yeah, it wasn't reported

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<v Speaker 3>in the Ukrainian language news stories that I read and

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<v Speaker 3>had translated into English. But the prison staff, apparently from

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<v Speaker 3>what I could tell, refused to offer any details about

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<v Speaker 3>how they found it in case anyone else wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>try the same approach. Also, they seemed rather confident that

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<v Speaker 3>even if she had made it under the prison fence,

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<v Speaker 3>it would have been majorly difficult to link up with

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<v Speaker 3>her son, and they turn them back out via the tunnel,

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<v Speaker 3>because remember they got a prison full of murderers and

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<v Speaker 3>lifers that she's got to get her to get to

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<v Speaker 3>her boy. Yeah, and then get back out with that

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<v Speaker 3>any of them going I'm coming too right. Maybe she

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<v Speaker 3>planned to go in there like going heavy with an

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<v Speaker 3>AK forty seven and started barking orders.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, pop out of the ground like a gopher. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like Constantine, Constantine, have you seen him?

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<v Speaker 3>But as one local, Anastasia pi Leifskya, told the Ukrainian News,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what the mother is like, and now she will

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<v Speaker 3>sit with her son.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh burn, that is so cold, yeah, Tray Slavic, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it is very.

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<v Speaker 3>So that same local Anastasia, she also expressed a larger

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<v Speaker 3>concern beyond a mother's love for her son, pointing out

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<v Speaker 3>that uh, after all, they are lifeers and there are

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<v Speaker 3>murderers there. Many would have escaped. So she was with

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<v Speaker 3>me on the whole point of like this mom is

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<v Speaker 3>not just getting her son, she's creating a pathway out

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<v Speaker 3>for all those people we want to be in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Liberation.

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<v Speaker 3>That would have been Batlizabeth, It really would have been

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<v Speaker 3>I wish I could tell you what Justice's mother faced

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<v Speaker 3>for her attempted prison break in, But as Popular Mechanics found,

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<v Speaker 3>they were quote unable to find any public report or

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<v Speaker 3>statement that confirmed whether she was ever convicted, imprisoned, acquitted,

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<v Speaker 3>or otherwise had the case resolved just disappeared. But we

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<v Speaker 3>do have to give her an a for effort, because

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<v Speaker 3>I know for a fact, once again, my mother would

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<v Speaker 3>never So with that, Elizabeth, let's take a little break

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<v Speaker 3>after these messages. We will be back with more crimes.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're back, Elizabeth. We are you ready for part

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<v Speaker 3>two of our compendium of well planned but poorly executed crimes? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>next up, we have a truly awe inspiring combination of words.

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<v Speaker 3>Some might call this a cursed headline. I say it's fun.

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<v Speaker 3>You ready, Yeah, Techno DJ jailed after selling sixty thousand

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<v Speaker 3>fake plane parts to major airlines.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you just never see where it's coming exactly, Like, what.

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<v Speaker 3>How does that relate?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>God, Techno DJ is selling fake plane parts to major airlines.

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<v Speaker 3>Gotta love that sixty thousand, So on the face of

0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.400
<v Speaker 3>it is clearly patly ridiculous. If you want to get

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<v Speaker 3>to the heart of it, this one requires a whole

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<v Speaker 3>lot of unraveling, and it only gets more ridiculous the

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<v Speaker 3>closer you get to the juicy heart. Now, the mastermind

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<v Speaker 3>of this scam is a man named Alejandros. The DJ

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<v Speaker 3>in question. Now, since I know you're wondering, his DJ

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<v Speaker 3>name is Santa Militia or Santa Militia Military. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think it was Spanish translation Santa Militia, of course, I

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<v Speaker 3>think I think of it as Santa Militia, like like

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<v Speaker 3>Santa Cohn. It's just Santa.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, he's like a militia of Santa.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess I don't know. Just giving out gifts to children.

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<v Speaker 2>I just imagine that it's not my it's not for me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not I have just had I've had to admit

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<v Speaker 2>there are things in this life that are just not

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<v Speaker 2>for me. And I'm you know what you do?

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<v Speaker 3>You house, techno, jungle, break beat, none off, that's for

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<v Speaker 3>you now. According to the music outlet Electronic Groove DJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's my favorite magazine, a.

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<v Speaker 3>Santo Malicious set. It was a millage of sounds, or

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<v Speaker 3>rather they were because he no longer is a DJ,

0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:12.159
<v Speaker 3>but as Electronic Groove put it, and I quote moving

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<v Speaker 3>between house, techno, hip hop, Latin and Afro influences. Zamoras

0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:21.080
<v Speaker 3>sets are journeys that resist algorithms and stay rooted in feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Means that's all over the place, right you.

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<v Speaker 3>Want that though, Elizabeth to stay rooted and feel.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a journey, Zeron, if he's the standard industry US

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<v Speaker 2>journey in the articy, what I'm saying, it's a journey.

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<v Speaker 2>What that tells me is that like he just doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to go, how to like keep a through

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<v Speaker 2>line through and he's just all over the place.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever I feel right now and on next thing is

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<v Speaker 3>the next thing, and they don't want.

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<v Speaker 2>To cap on him, so they're like, it's a journey.

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<v Speaker 3>If you think to stay rooted and feel or to

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<v Speaker 3>take a journey is empty phrasing, then you just don't

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<v Speaker 3>know electronic music journalism because it was all through that

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<v Speaker 3>stuff I read now. In that same interview, Zamora explains

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<v Speaker 3>how his creative effort, the White Collar Project, is a

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<v Speaker 3>means for him to explore all kinds of creativity. As

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<v Speaker 3>Zamora says, and I quote, I tried to approach music, visuals,

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<v Speaker 3>and clothing with the same care and attention for me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all one language, just different ways of telling the story.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't treat fashion or art as an afterthought, just

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<v Speaker 3>all storytelling.

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<v Speaker 2>He's all storytelling. I'm gonna tell you a story instead

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<v Speaker 2>of working actual job.

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<v Speaker 3>It's also just different ways of telling a story, like,

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<v Speaker 3>for instance, I once told you a story exclusively in shoes.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't easy. I mean I had to come up

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<v Speaker 3>with different voices for all the shoes to keep your attention.

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<v Speaker 3>But it all works seamlessly with my DJ set I

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<v Speaker 3>mean set right.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember you and I were at a place

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<v Speaker 2>where DJ was playing and it was like the most jarring.

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<v Speaker 2>It would go from like a Bauhaus song to like

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<v Speaker 2>too short, and I was my mind was He kept.

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<v Speaker 3>Shooting me looks so like, yeah, did you hear that?

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<v Speaker 3>How can I not hear it?

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine it was like at that that show.

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<v Speaker 3>Ye put yourself there and be rooted in.

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<v Speaker 2>The opening acts or opening acts.

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<v Speaker 3>For a reason, this is very true. It is now

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<v Speaker 3>Old sent to militia. You know, he'd figured out that

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<v Speaker 3>there's lots of ways of telling a story, and some

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<v Speaker 3>of them are You could tell a story in crime,

0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:24.760
<v Speaker 3>which is what he eventually got around to because he

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<v Speaker 3>kept telling his newfound crime story until eventually cost airlines

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<v Speaker 3>about fifty three million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot wait to find out how we get from

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<v Speaker 2>like my T shirt to tistic journey.

0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:42.280
<v Speaker 3>To high ripped top want to buy a ring? So

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<v Speaker 3>the story goes. Elizabeth A. Zamara started out like many crimers,

0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:48.600
<v Speaker 3>with just a shell company, and then he, like Stone,

0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:52.080
<v Speaker 3>souped his way into ripping off major airlines. No, he

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<v Speaker 3>called his shell company AOG Techniques a O G. All right. Now,

0:24:57.480 --> 0:24:59.560
<v Speaker 3>next thing, you know, he found himself a right market

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<v Speaker 3>to explo with his shell company. In his case, he

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<v Speaker 3>focused on aftermarket plane engine parts for commercial airlines.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, how how did he get it? Does he

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<v Speaker 2>have like an uncle who does this?

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<v Speaker 3>I could not find a single example from anybody about

0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 3>like how did he get from A to C? In

0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:16.640
<v Speaker 3>this case? What was the B he went through?

0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:20.320
<v Speaker 2>You feel like he was at like a rooftop pool

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<v Speaker 2>like Caba. I think he knew somebody and he started

0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:25.320
<v Speaker 2>talking to some cat and the guys like listen, I

0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:26.240
<v Speaker 2>got this great deal.

0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:30.119
<v Speaker 3>You know, like maybe a former like the romantic partner

0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:32.439
<v Speaker 3>worked like doing paperwork for this, and he saw how

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:35.439
<v Speaker 3>easy it was to get that, I don't know, but

0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 3>I do know how he did it. He he used

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<v Speaker 3>his personal computer to create fake safety certifications, then he

0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:46.199
<v Speaker 3>printed those up and attached the counterfeit safety certificates to

0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:49.959
<v Speaker 3>unlicensed engine components. Oh my god, he primarily focused on

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<v Speaker 3>this CFM fifty six engine. And it's neither you nor

0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:56.920
<v Speaker 3>I are aeronautics experts. No, I looked up the CFM.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me, please tell me what plane it's in.

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<v Speaker 3>Technically, the CFM fifty six is a quote high bypass

0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:07.399
<v Speaker 3>turbofan aircraft engine. It's also the product of a joint

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:11.000
<v Speaker 3>enterprise between the French company Saffron Aircraft Engines and the

0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:15.080
<v Speaker 3>US company ge Aerospace. Okay, now, this engine came to

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<v Speaker 3>market about a little more than fifty years ago, in

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy four. Initially it was a bust. But after

0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:24.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm talking like a bust, Like after five years of

0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:26.600
<v Speaker 3>making this engine, the joint enterprise had not received a

0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:28.200
<v Speaker 3>single order for their engine.

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.479
<v Speaker 2>You're kidding. They just kept making, not one they're piling

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<v Speaker 2>up at Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>My god, thank god. They had just like a stack

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:37.440
<v Speaker 3>of them, all shiny and new, created up ready to go.

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 2>What kind of plane. Is this intended to go in?

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<v Speaker 2>Because now I'm terrified that I've flown in one of

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<v Speaker 2>these hut oh no.

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<v Speaker 3>So things were looking bad for the old CFM fifty six.

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<v Speaker 3>The French American company was about two weeks from shutting

0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 3>its doors because they couldn't make any more engines to

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<v Speaker 3>not sell them. But then a stroke of good luck

0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 3>occurred because both Delta air Lines and United Airlines ordered

0:26:57.080 --> 0:27:01.280
<v Speaker 3>some engines, which saved this company. And this like nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>seventy nine. A few years later, in nineteen eighty two,

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:07.200
<v Speaker 3>Boeing was looking to upgrade and replace engines on its

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<v Speaker 3>commercial airliner, the very common Boeing seven three seven or

0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:15.119
<v Speaker 3>seven thirty seven. Whoa yes, it selected the CFM fifty

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<v Speaker 3>six as the replacement engine. And thanks to the engine'es

0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:21.159
<v Speaker 3>like low fuel consumption and it's like reduced engine noise,

0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:25.600
<v Speaker 3>it sells really well and soon enough becomes an industry standard.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we know how meticulous Boeing is, exact great safety.

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<v Speaker 3>So I entered DJ Santa Militia aka Jose alejandros Zamora Jerrara.

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<v Speaker 3>He looks at the CFM fifty six, it's supply chain

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 3>as a Golden ticket. So because the reason why is simple.

0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:45.520
<v Speaker 3>The CFM fifty six is perhaps the most common commercial

0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:49.000
<v Speaker 3>aircraft engine in the world. Other than it's ubiquity. The

0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:51.200
<v Speaker 3>reason why is the more focused on that engine remains

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:52.639
<v Speaker 3>a mystery. Like I said, I could not tell you,

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 3>but he just knows, like everybody uses this one.

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:56.720
<v Speaker 2>So someone gave him a hot tip somewhere.

0:27:56.840 --> 0:27:58.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so he chooses this one as his target for

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 3>his fraud, and so, using a show company's pertzal computer

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:03.720
<v Speaker 3>and a printer, he creates his phony supply chain for

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:06.680
<v Speaker 3>his frauduently replacement parts and then he starts selling them

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 3>to major airlines and he does this for years. The

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:13.680
<v Speaker 3>worst part is his airline parts were not authenticated because

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:17.600
<v Speaker 3>he was using counterfeit authorized release certificates. Those are the

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 3>ones he was printing up at home, and those certificates,

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 3>when genuine, are meant to guarantee the parts are proven

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 3>to be airworthy. So his parts obviously skipped that crucial step,

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:28.560
<v Speaker 3>meaning they were not confirmed to be airworthy. And who

0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 3>knows that this would work?

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Where was he getting the actual parts?

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:34.840
<v Speaker 3>He was getting them from like you know, like you know,

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 3>like he get like parts like aftermarket parts. He was

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 3>going to like distributors. Basically it's like spelled wrong, like

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:45.640
<v Speaker 3>it's CSM fifty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the flea market? Yeah, Like you know, I would

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:52.480
<v Speaker 2>understand if he was doing We've seen that a bunch

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:54.360
<v Speaker 2>of times of like I've got all this paperwork and

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 2>they're never actually getting the parts. He somehow is delivering.

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 3>He's delivering the sixty thousand.

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Parts like they're like the seconds. They're the ones that

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:06.640
<v Speaker 2>get thrown away because they weren't proper. That's the question

0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 2>he dumpster dives. That is the question.

0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:11.280
<v Speaker 3>That's the big questions Why did these get kicked out

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 3>of the supply chain?

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Sure?

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 3>Originally like was there a defect? Was yes? So from

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:18.959
<v Speaker 3>twenty nineteen to twenty twenty three, Zamoras sells his unlicensed

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 3>aircraft engine parts for the Boeing seven thirty seven and

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 3>the Airbus A three twenty oh great right to commercial

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 3>airlines all around the world, and I mean to the

0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 3>big airlines. So we're talking major airline companies, American Airlines, Delta,

0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 3>United Southwest, Ryanair, Virgin Australia, Ethiopian Airlines, all of them

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 3>have their parts in their plans. So do I handle

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 3>this insane amount of engine replacement parts he sold. Zamore

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 3>created a bunch of fake employees. He had phony sales managers,

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:51.200
<v Speaker 3>totally fake quality control managers, and he's using this small

0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 3>army of like sock puppet employees to personally while he's

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 3>personally handling all the customer correspondence in business trads actions.

0:29:58.360 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 2>He's a busy guy totally.

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:03.720
<v Speaker 3>When he was djaying, he was just like eight totally.

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't know why he couldn't find a real one, yea, Elizabeth.

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 3>His fake airplane parts was crushing it. I mean, like

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 3>at least compared to the money he was earning his

0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:15.120
<v Speaker 3>DJ Santa Militia. He's like, clearly, Claire and House. Now you,

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 3>as you were wondering earlier, is it possible that you

0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:20.320
<v Speaker 3>flew in one of the airlines with one of his

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 3>phony engine replacement parts? The odds are low. But if

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 3>you flew on United American Delta or Southwest, all of

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 3>which I know you have flown on, the odds are

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 3>not zero. Because over that four year stretch, he sold,

0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 3>as I said, sixty thousand replacement parts. So yeah, so

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 3>from from the sales of those sixty parts, they do

0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:48.320
<v Speaker 3>the CFM fifty six engine old DJ Santa Militia. He

0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:50.640
<v Speaker 3>managed to pull in a profit a roughly nine point

0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:51.760
<v Speaker 3>three million.

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Dollars good night.

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:55.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he does all of this without a single

0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 3>AI agent. I mean he just old fashioned human criminal ingenuity,

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 3>lots of emails, printer ink getting the job done. Pretty

0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:06.200
<v Speaker 3>analog operation, totally, just one DJ working from his home

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:11.080
<v Speaker 3>office in Surrey. That's true, he was. So how did

0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 3>DJ Santa Malicia's criminal enterprise come to an inglorious end?

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 3>Please tell me question, Elizabeth. Thankfully, his campaign of phony

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 3>airplane parts wasn't discovered due to some like fatal commercial

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 3>plane cash.

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Thank goodness.

0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 3>Instead, as it turns out, Zamora was undone by the

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 3>smallest thing possible. This fraud was not caught by some

0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:31.400
<v Speaker 3>eagle eyed plane inspector it was, nor was some wrench

0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:34.360
<v Speaker 3>turning airline mechanically. Wait, you just part ain't right, none

0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 3>of that. It was a far more humbling way to

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 3>get caught. He was caught by paperwork.

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh I'm so hoping you would be like his own mama.

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:45.240
<v Speaker 3>No, that'd be great. But someone in Portugal contacted the

0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:47.440
<v Speaker 3>French half of the joint venture and they asked to

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 3>authenticate a part number. It was just one person doing

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:53.400
<v Speaker 3>their due diligence because the number didn't latch, and someone

0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 3>from the tap Air Portugal they reach out to Saffron

0:31:57.000 --> 0:32:00.120
<v Speaker 3>to authenticate this engine part and that they'd perch is

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 3>from Zamoras Shell Company and they just wanted to ensure

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 3>that it was airworthy. Thank goodness for everybody involved exactly.

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 3>So Saffron they checked their sales record, their parts manifest

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 3>and they're like, that is not one of ours. Where

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 3>did you say you purchased it?

0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 3>No, Now, realizing they were facing a major crisis the

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 3>parts of Saffron, the immediately contact the major airlines safety organization.

0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 3>So this is like the FAA in the United States

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 3>is the US Aviation Safety Agency, the UK's civilian or

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 3>civil aviation authority. They all flag AOG Technics parts for

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 3>a safety alert through all the airlines, which then leads

0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 3>to planes being grounded, like whole fleets of seven thirty

0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 3>sevens and Airbus Yes planes being grounded. It costs the

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 3>various airlines fifty three million dollars in loss profits and

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:52.680
<v Speaker 3>increased expenditures due to having to like bring in people

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:54.200
<v Speaker 3>to fix and replace the parts, and they got to

0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 3>go through all their engines and look for these things,

0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:57.600
<v Speaker 3>and then there's sixty thousand.

0:32:57.760 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 2>We have to make that up for them and then

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 2>we pay.

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 3>In the ticket price. So after a two year inquiry

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:08.720
<v Speaker 3>by the UK Serious Fraud Office, not the Silly Fraud Office,

0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 3>the Serious Fraud Office, the SFO arrested and charged Zamora

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 3>with fraudulent trading. That was the crime. Yeah, not like

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 3>endangering travelers. It was fraudulent trading anyway, as reported by

0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 3>the airline industry outlet Aerospace Global News and I quote.

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<v Speaker 3>According to the charge sheet filed at the hearing at

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:31.760
<v Speaker 3>Southwark Crown Court in London, he was charged with quote

0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 3>falsifying documentation relating to the origin, provonauts, status and or

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 3>condition of aircraft parts between January twenty nineteen and December

0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:43.479
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty three. In response to the charges, Zamora Urala

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 3>admitted at first instance to operating his company AOG Techniques

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 3>for fraudulent purposes as set out by the charges, impleaded

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:53.920
<v Speaker 3>guilty as a result. I gotta say, I do love

0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:55.960
<v Speaker 3>the phrase admitted it first instance.

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's like what.

0:33:57.000 --> 0:34:00.440
<v Speaker 3>An elevated way to say homie cracked under pressure imdiately

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:04.960
<v Speaker 3>and confessed all the crime he'd been doing for years now.

0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 3>In his trial, Zamora was facing a maximum sentence of

0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 3>ten years in prison. Finally, in February of this year,

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:16.880
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty six, Jose Alejandro aka DJ Senta Militia was

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 3>sentenced to four years and eight months in prison in

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 3>the UK. Good but what a run he had. Honestly,

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 3>you never expected Techno DJ to be secretly running a

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 3>cabal the phony airline party.

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:29.040
<v Speaker 2>No, no, you never did.

0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Right, It's just further proved that facts will always be

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 3>fiction exactly because can you picture a single author who

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:36.120
<v Speaker 3>had ever come up with that as a side hustle

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:39.760
<v Speaker 3>for a DJ. No, Like, I'm gonna write this DJ character,

0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 3>but I want to make him complex. Okay, let's take

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:45.759
<v Speaker 3>another little break and after these message we will be

0:34:45.800 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 3>back with the most audacious plan. Yes, and we're back, Elizabeth.

0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 3>Back you ready for another fun run? I? Yes, this

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 3>one is way more involved and it says so much

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:20.000
<v Speaker 3>about what happens when people become self important academics.

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, yes, Zaron.

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:27.440
<v Speaker 3>Gets to poke at the academy. So a quick question, Elizabeth, Yeah,

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:29.720
<v Speaker 3>have you ever heard of the International Society.

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.720
<v Speaker 2>Of Philology Philology.

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:35.560
<v Speaker 3>Yes, the word philology comes from ancient Greek philologia. It

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 3>means love of word. And as you know, I assume

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 3>philology is the study of language. Specifically, it's a criticism

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<v Speaker 3>of a text or a literary tradition, linguistic patterns inherent

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:50.280
<v Speaker 3>in an oral or written record. So it really examines

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:54.840
<v Speaker 3>the word different than like say alexographer lexicographer.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that the common thread of all these

0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:00.319
<v Speaker 2>people in that study is that they get high on

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:00.800
<v Speaker 2>their own.

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<v Speaker 3>Farts in practice of philologist studies, as I said, texts

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<v Speaker 3>to establish authenticity, to critique the meaning or the history

0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:13.279
<v Speaker 3>of some oral or written text. And they are academics

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<v Speaker 3>who stay focused on words and meaning.

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<v Speaker 2>That's everything for them.

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<v Speaker 3>And keep all that in mind as I tell you

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<v Speaker 3>this story, Elizabeth, it's time to meet our next crimer

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:25.920
<v Speaker 3>of the day. His name is Florent monte Claire and

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<v Speaker 3>for most of his academic career, Moulticlaire was, according to

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:33.280
<v Speaker 3>the Guardian of the UK quote an unremarkable teaching instructor

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 3>who liked to write fantasy books, many about vampires in

0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:37.359
<v Speaker 3>his spare time.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, you know what, God bless you, do you?

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:46.239
<v Speaker 3>It's not for me, yes, but he is, in your

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:48.840
<v Speaker 3>words quirky, like if you met him at a dinner party.

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:52.840
<v Speaker 2>It's not you know what, so nice to meet you.

0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:53.759
<v Speaker 2>That's not for me.

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<v Speaker 3>In twenty and fifteen, there was a news item in

0:36:57.040 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 3>his local newspaper that proclaimed that Multiclaire was set to

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<v Speaker 3>be feted for winning the quote the equivalent of a

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<v Speaker 3>Nobel Prize or Fields Medal.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, and yet no one has heard.

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<v Speaker 3>Subsequently, early on in twenty sixteen, in February, the rumpled

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:16.440
<v Speaker 3>and bespectacled Montclair was invited to a gala event to

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<v Speaker 3>accept the twenty fifteen Gold Medal of Philology from the

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<v Speaker 3>International Society of Philology. Yeah. The awards ceremony was held

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<v Speaker 3>at the French National Assembly. The attendees to the awards

0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:31.080
<v Speaker 3>ceremony included Nobel Prize winners. There were Ministers of Parliament

0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 3>and government ministers. There were also other illustrious French scientists

0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:36.800
<v Speaker 3>and academics. It was quite the party.

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Was it a pot luck?

0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:42.720
<v Speaker 3>Yes? They all had to bring their own Keyshe y, Multiclaire.

0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 2>But black tie of course, black type pot luck.

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<v Speaker 3>My favorite, very French multi Claire arrives to accept his

0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:52.040
<v Speaker 3>award in an ill fitting suit, which was made more

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:56.279
<v Speaker 3>garish by his rose colored dress shirt. The quote so

0:37:56.360 --> 0:38:00.040
<v Speaker 3>called unremarkable academic was the first Frenchman to receive this

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:02.799
<v Speaker 3>illustrious medal, and apparently from what was told to that

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:06.320
<v Speaker 3>year's attendees, a previous winner was the Italian writer and

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 3>academic Umberto Echo. Oh no way, okay, So you know,

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:13.640
<v Speaker 3>monta Clair was joining distinguished company, and it's the first Frenchman.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting because they're very into fold particular particular about

0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:20.200
<v Speaker 2>word I mean and all that.

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:24.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, and also preserving language. And so he'd finally

0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:27.600
<v Speaker 3>made it Elizabeth before that evening, all eyes are on

0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:31.759
<v Speaker 3>Florent Montclair. It was the honor of his academic lifetime.

0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:34.160
<v Speaker 3>The very next year, the winner of the Gold Medal

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<v Speaker 3>of Philology went to a truly famous academic and word

0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:41.799
<v Speaker 3>nerd Noam Chomsky. Oh eighty seven years old at the time.

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:45.080
<v Speaker 3>He traveled to Paris to accept the prestigious award. He

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:48.760
<v Speaker 3>was celebrated by an audience of two hundred luminaries, well wishers.

0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:51.000
<v Speaker 3>You can kind of get the picture. Yeah, you might say,

0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 3>this was the high point in the history of this

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:57.840
<v Speaker 3>particular academic award, or possibly giving it to Umberto Echo before.

0:38:57.640 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 2>I would put with Echo. But yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, next year, twenty eighteen, a Romanian academic named Eugene

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<v Speaker 3>Simeon was designated the winner of this most honored prize

0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:11.279
<v Speaker 3>for word lovers. The eighty five year old academic was

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<v Speaker 3>the first Romanian to win the Gold Medal of Philology

0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:17.360
<v Speaker 3>from the International Society of Philology, and according to the

0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:21.320
<v Speaker 3>press release quote, the idea of creating a special prize

0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:24.480
<v Speaker 3>for a grammar or literature analysis, critics and scholars was

0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:28.280
<v Speaker 3>born in nineteen twenty seven when French philosopher Henri Bergson

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:31.799
<v Speaker 3>received the Nobel Prize for Literature despite the fact he

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:34.799
<v Speaker 3>was neither a poet nor a novelist. Thus, it was

0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 3>decided that every five years the International Society of Philology

0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:41.239
<v Speaker 3>would award a Gold Medal of Philology and memory of

0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:45.640
<v Speaker 3>Alfred Nobel, modeled after the Fields Medal for Mathematics. Naturally,

0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:48.760
<v Speaker 3>now to see a Romanian win such a distinguished awards

0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:52.000
<v Speaker 3>set off this wave of pride for Romanians. They're all excited,

0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:55.120
<v Speaker 3>like we're up there with no Chomsky, Elmberto Eco whoever

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:59.400
<v Speaker 3>that first jen was. Now then some Romanian journalists are like,

0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:02.480
<v Speaker 3>I've never heard of this society. They decide, well, we'll

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:04.560
<v Speaker 3>do more than just quote from the press release. Let's

0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 3>go check the website, see what else we can find,

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<v Speaker 3>who else is wanted in the past, and we can

0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:11.520
<v Speaker 3>add some extra laurels, you know, to our our boy

0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 3>Eugene Simeon, and instead that they end up doing some

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:17.400
<v Speaker 3>real investigating to see what this ward is all about.

0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:21.480
<v Speaker 3>As a journalist from the Romanian online news outlet Sina

0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:25.640
<v Speaker 3>nine wrote, and I quote for a prize that claims

0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:28.120
<v Speaker 3>to have such a long history and such select company

0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:31.200
<v Speaker 3>Nobel and fields the gold medal are sived by Chomsky

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 3>and Simeon is as obscure as they come. Google doesn't

0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:38.040
<v Speaker 3>know much about it either, So we contacted the Swedish

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:40.600
<v Speaker 3>Nobel Foundation in order to find out if they have

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 3>anything to do with Simeon's prize. So, after these journalists

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:46.400
<v Speaker 3>reach out to the folks from the Nobel Committee to

0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:50.000
<v Speaker 3>see what's up with this award from the international society Philology,

0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:54.440
<v Speaker 3>they heard back. The response was from this cat Michael Ostland,

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:59.360
<v Speaker 3>communications pr officer with the Nobel Foundation. He was in

0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:04.120
<v Speaker 3>a word dismissive. Oastland replied that the Nobela Foundation is

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<v Speaker 3>in no way affiliated with the institutions you mentioned in

0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 3>your email, so that was a strike that. Okay, hold on,

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:16.160
<v Speaker 3>but you guys are I mean checked the website. So

0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 3>the journalists they do more digging. They look into these

0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:22.200
<v Speaker 3>three organizations mentioned in the press release announcing the Romanian

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:25.800
<v Speaker 3>recipient of the prize. There's the Center UNESCO de be,

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:30.759
<v Speaker 3>the International Society of Philology, and the University of Philology.

0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:31.799
<v Speaker 3>So they start with.

0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 2>This whole University of Philology.

0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:37.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, whole University of Philology. Yes, curious, So they start

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 3>with the Center Unesco de The website for the center

0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:43.719
<v Speaker 3>was a dead end. There's nothing here. We keep going,

0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 3>we get four or fours. So the Romanian journalists reach

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 3>out to the United Nations to ask about UNITSCO, which

0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:53.960
<v Speaker 3>stands for United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization. Yes,

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 3>your guys, bit what's up? So Leticiakasi from the central

0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:02.400
<v Speaker 3>UNESCO headquarters in Paris. Response to their query. She replies

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<v Speaker 3>back to quote, the center is nothing lot of database.

0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:08.320
<v Speaker 3>It is not patron by UNESCO, nor is it the

0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 3>secondary category. Center. UNESCO is in no way affiliated with

0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:15.920
<v Speaker 3>the International Society of Philology and has nothing to do

0:42:15.960 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 3>with the Golden Medal. So they're like, well, that's two strikes.

0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:22.480
<v Speaker 3>That's interesting. So these Romanian journalists they check the listed

0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 3>addresses in Paris. They find that the indicated address in

0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:29.080
<v Speaker 3>bessem Quon doesn't seem to host any cultural center, only

0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:34.480
<v Speaker 3>a cozy family home enveloped in greenery. Oh that's three strikes.

0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:37.919
<v Speaker 3>But they're not baseball players, so well, just keep coming going.

0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:41.960
<v Speaker 3>Next they investigate the University of Philology and Education and

0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 3>the International Society of Philology. They find, okay, this, we've

0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:48.359
<v Speaker 3>got to have some you know, real gravitas here. So

0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:50.759
<v Speaker 3>they find that the addresses for both are located in

0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:53.279
<v Speaker 3>a place called lowse which is a small town of

0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:55.480
<v Speaker 3>three thousand people in the state of Delaware in the

0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:56.280
<v Speaker 3>United States.

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:59.160
<v Speaker 2>They're like, that's curious, and Delaware Corporation.

0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:03.359
<v Speaker 3>To keep that thought in mind. The reason for that

0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:06.720
<v Speaker 3>is because it was due to Delaware law that email

0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:10.080
<v Speaker 3>allows people to create firms and corporations even as a

0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:13.319
<v Speaker 3>non resident of the state, as Silicon Valley Bank, it

0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:18.080
<v Speaker 3>helpfully explains on its website. Right, Silicon Valley Bank more

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:20.439
<v Speaker 3>than two thirds of Fortune five hundred companies and most

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:24.320
<v Speaker 3>high growth technology startups are incorporated in Delaware. The Delaware

0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:27.560
<v Speaker 3>corporation is a business structure registered in Delaware, offering a

0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:32.160
<v Speaker 3>distinct legal and regulatory environment known for its flexibility and

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:36.520
<v Speaker 3>advantageous court of Chancery. So this is also why and

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:39.720
<v Speaker 3>I quote, Delaware is often the top choice for large

0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 3>corporations and VC backed startups seeking investors or planning an

0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:49.360
<v Speaker 3>IPO thanks to its streamlined legal environment. Streamline you know, Elizabeth,

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:52.799
<v Speaker 3>I once started a Delaware corporation with friends. Oh yes,

0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:55.759
<v Speaker 3>one percent did, and we eventually merged it with a

0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:58.719
<v Speaker 3>Korean company. It was like a real deal thing, and

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 3>we did it for all the reasons as twenty year olds.

0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:03.279
<v Speaker 3>We knew that's that's like, how do you want to

0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:05.759
<v Speaker 3>get around the law start a Delaware corporation?

0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:08.000
<v Speaker 2>I would imagine it's just like a po box.

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:11.920
<v Speaker 3>Yes, essentially, yeah, exactly, it is. That's now that has

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:15.600
<v Speaker 3>become common. But this was, you know, for decades, the

0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:18.080
<v Speaker 3>way to make it look like you were a respectful thing,

0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:20.919
<v Speaker 3>when actually you're just trying to dodge corporate oversight. Sure,

0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:24.359
<v Speaker 3>so at this point it's also now the top choice

0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:27.440
<v Speaker 3>for scammers looking for a patina of respectability. Right, So

0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:31.239
<v Speaker 3>the Romanian journalists are like, okay, this is getting like

0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:34.400
<v Speaker 3>mad hanky. So they get this point poll on Elizabeth.

0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:37.640
<v Speaker 3>They go for a drive in the old Google street View. Yes,

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:40.799
<v Speaker 3>they find the addresses listed on the University of Philology's

0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 3>Facebook page, and they go and they check them out.

0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:46.239
<v Speaker 3>They drive past them and they're like Google car and

0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:48.239
<v Speaker 3>they find they do not match what they found on

0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:51.200
<v Speaker 3>Google street View, like the pictures on Facebook website and

0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:53.239
<v Speaker 3>the pictures we found driving around.

0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, and the university is only on Facebook. They don't

0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:56.760
<v Speaker 2>have their.

0:44:56.600 --> 0:45:01.920
<v Speaker 3>Own Oh yeah right. So when these Romanian journalists reverse

0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:05.360
<v Speaker 3>image search the photo, they find that the university's Facebook

0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:10.160
<v Speaker 3>page photos are actually an apartment building in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:13.680
<v Speaker 3>And for images of the university's classrooms also shown on

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:17.280
<v Speaker 3>the university's Facebook page, those images were pulled from British

0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Columbia University in Canada.

0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:24.200
<v Speaker 3>So they're like, okay, they have a story on their hands.

0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:26.879
<v Speaker 3>They're like, yeah, we have got something. So they keep digging.

0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:28.520
<v Speaker 3>They're like, let's see how much more we can get.

0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:31.799
<v Speaker 3>They revisit the website of the International Society Philology, and

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:35.319
<v Speaker 3>there they discover a collection of spelling errors, grammatical errors,

0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:38.200
<v Speaker 3>the kind that would make most philologists tear their hair out.

0:45:38.719 --> 0:45:43.240
<v Speaker 4>So they're like, okay, we love words werds.

0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:46.799
<v Speaker 3>It's like, oh many as a journalist, can you imagine finding.

0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 2>All this motherless?

0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:51.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's just high fives everywhere along. So next they

0:45:51.920 --> 0:45:54.560
<v Speaker 3>discover a list of past recipients of the war dating

0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 3>back to nineteen thirty one. Coincidentally, there are only four

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:02.759
<v Speaker 3>living recipients of the award. There was Dom Chomsky, there

0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:06.400
<v Speaker 3>was a Swedish linguist named Gorn Malbkvist. There was the

0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 3>latest winner, the Romanian linguist Eugene Simeon, and then there

0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:13.239
<v Speaker 3>was the Frenchman Florent monte Claire, who was listed as

0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 3>the quote honorary chairman of the International Society of Philology. Yeah,

0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:21.080
<v Speaker 3>so the Romanian journalists do some more digging. They investigate

0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 3>Noam Chomsky's reception and they find a minor scandal had

0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:27.719
<v Speaker 3>gone down in Paris that year. Apparently the professor Embertus

0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:31.239
<v Speaker 3>of Linguistics at MIT was indeed invited to Paris to

0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:34.560
<v Speaker 3>receive the Gold Medal Philology. But then the French National

0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:38.440
<v Speaker 3>Assembly rescinded the offer to hold the reception an awards

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:41.120
<v Speaker 3>ceremony due to some statements Noam Chomsky had made in

0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:45.759
<v Speaker 3>support of Asama bin Laden. Oh that's not gonna fly here.

0:46:45.960 --> 0:46:48.440
<v Speaker 3>We have way too many politicians. It's to be pictured

0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:51.440
<v Speaker 3>with you. So the honorary chairman of the National Society

0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:54.520
<v Speaker 3>Philology aka Florent mont Claire, he writes a letter to

0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:58.319
<v Speaker 3>the French Academy Journal Philosophy, and he decries this the

0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:01.840
<v Speaker 3>rejection of Noam Chomsky. It's an embarrassment for France, and

0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:04.560
<v Speaker 3>he asked for assistance from his fellow academics to find

0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:07.400
<v Speaker 3>a new location for the awards ceremony to honor the

0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:11.160
<v Speaker 3>great Chomsky. The gambit works perfectly. Subsequently, one of the

0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:15.480
<v Speaker 3>editors in chief of Philosophy steps in provides assistance. A

0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:18.960
<v Speaker 3>replacement venue is found. The awards ceremony is held at

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:23.120
<v Speaker 3>the Center Willonni Bruks in Paris on November thirtieth, and

0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:26.160
<v Speaker 3>there's a photo of Chomsky standing there on stage with

0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:30.560
<v Speaker 3>Montclair as Chomsky holds up his gold medal. Okay, but

0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:33.239
<v Speaker 3>the Romanian journalists also discovered that on a website for

0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:37.760
<v Speaker 3>the International Society of Philology. The previous, more prestigious location

0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:40.840
<v Speaker 3>is still mentioned as the location of the ceremony, the

0:47:40.920 --> 0:47:44.160
<v Speaker 3>National Assembly. Montclair claims that he gave Chompsky the gold

0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 3>medal and I quote at the French National Library in

0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:50.279
<v Speaker 3>front of the National Center for Scientific Research. None of

0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:53.319
<v Speaker 3>that is true, so they're bsing on the website even

0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:54.080
<v Speaker 3>though they did.

0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Get Chompsky there there.

0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:58.560
<v Speaker 3>So these plucky Romanian journalists they reach out via email

0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:01.359
<v Speaker 3>to the then ninety year old Chomsky. They're like, let's

0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:04.680
<v Speaker 3>fact check this, and Chomsky writes back. He gets back

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:07.880
<v Speaker 3>promptly to them and I quote, I know very little

0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:11.600
<v Speaker 3>about the organization. They invited me to Paris for several talks.

0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:15.120
<v Speaker 3>I don't really recall much about the individuals involved or

0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:18.440
<v Speaker 3>the organization. I give a great mini talks organized by

0:48:18.440 --> 0:48:19.080
<v Speaker 3>all sorts.

0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:20.560
<v Speaker 2>Of groups, free trip.

0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:23.040
<v Speaker 3>It's like I'm constantly talking. I don't know where. And so,

0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:25.840
<v Speaker 3>when Schomsky's asked about his memories of receiving the award,

0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:28.959
<v Speaker 3>Schomsky replies that he has no memory of quote ever

0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:33.880
<v Speaker 3>being handed the Nobel Prize for Philology, but there is

0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:37.040
<v Speaker 3>a picture of it, So in this case he's wrong.

0:48:37.120 --> 0:48:39.400
<v Speaker 3>This part wasn't a lie, but I think they're calling it.

0:48:39.440 --> 0:48:42.400
<v Speaker 3>The Nobel Prize for Philology is what threw him anyway,

0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:45.359
<v Speaker 3>I think. So after this, the Romanian journalists do even

0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:49.239
<v Speaker 3>more digging and they discover that quote. No major international

0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:52.600
<v Speaker 3>publication ever mentioned such ceremonies having taken place. No credible

0:48:52.600 --> 0:48:54.840
<v Speaker 3>source in the field includes as little as a single

0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:58.680
<v Speaker 3>word on this mysterious society, the American University that allegedly

0:48:58.719 --> 0:49:01.439
<v Speaker 3>hosts it, or flor At the Monte Claire, whose name

0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:05.280
<v Speaker 3>is associated with all these institutions. However, Chompsky's name seems

0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:07.840
<v Speaker 3>to have worked like a magic spell which dulled everyone's

0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:11.160
<v Speaker 3>critical thinking. So news start to news story kept repeating

0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:16.200
<v Speaker 3>Chomsky wins this prestigious award from the Society of Philology,

0:49:16.239 --> 0:49:19.320
<v Speaker 3>blah blah blah, and so all these newspapers keep repeating

0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:21.080
<v Speaker 3>the same thing that if you do a quick Google search,

0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:21.920
<v Speaker 3>this is what pops up.

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:25.239
<v Speaker 3>It was working perfectly truth online, which is a tad

0:49:25.280 --> 0:49:27.920
<v Speaker 3>ironic that in terms of philology, which is the critique

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:31.520
<v Speaker 3>of text, nobody was critiquing the text except for these

0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:34.960
<v Speaker 3>Romanians from Sena nine. So shout out to them. Journalism

0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:37.960
<v Speaker 3>coming through it. So these same Romanian journalists, they also

0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:40.800
<v Speaker 3>discover that all the websites associated with the University of

0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:45.120
<v Speaker 3>Philology and Education and the International Society Philology quote existed

0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:50.040
<v Speaker 3>solely through websites created and hosted in France. Yeah, so

0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:53.600
<v Speaker 3>the university is located in Delaware, the websites are all

0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:57.240
<v Speaker 3>listed in France. Like, we're so close, We're so close.

0:49:57.680 --> 0:50:00.880
<v Speaker 3>So after their exhaustive investigation, the Romanian journal it's determined

0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:03.319
<v Speaker 3>that all their roads of inquiry eventually lead back to

0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:08.240
<v Speaker 3>the same source, Florent monte Claire. From what they can decipher,

0:50:08.400 --> 0:50:12.880
<v Speaker 3>this shy retiring academic monte Claire aka the honorary Chairman

0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:16.360
<v Speaker 3>of the International Society of Philology. He lives in Montpelliard,

0:50:16.640 --> 0:50:18.759
<v Speaker 3>which is a small town with a modest population of

0:50:18.760 --> 0:50:21.880
<v Speaker 3>twenty seven thousand people, located in eastern France. It's like

0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:24.880
<v Speaker 3>in the region of France Compte, if that means anything

0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:28.600
<v Speaker 3>to you. So there he teaches at this university. It's

0:50:28.640 --> 0:50:31.800
<v Speaker 3>a branch of the fran Compte University, and he also

0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:34.200
<v Speaker 3>is listed as a professor employed at the Marie and

0:50:34.280 --> 0:50:38.440
<v Speaker 3>Louis Pasteur University in Besontent. So as such, he claims

0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:40.960
<v Speaker 3>to hold two PhDs. One is for his study and

0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:44.200
<v Speaker 3>analysis of the works of Jules Verne. The other PhD

0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:48.319
<v Speaker 3>is focused on quote Gypsies in French literature, and it

0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:52.880
<v Speaker 3>was it was quote allegedly awarded by the fictional university

0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:58.080
<v Speaker 3>in Lews. Not only that, wow, yes, the Romanian journalists

0:50:58.120 --> 0:51:00.920
<v Speaker 3>learned that quote. The Frenchman is also the one who

0:51:01.000 --> 0:51:03.520
<v Speaker 3>sent Eugene Sime and his award letter, as well as

0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:06.680
<v Speaker 3>the sole actual person in an ocean of false identities

0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:09.040
<v Speaker 3>to provide all the details on the background of this

0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:12.680
<v Speaker 3>award and the International Society of Philology. Now they've got it.

0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:14.719
<v Speaker 3>Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait, he says one

0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:17.359
<v Speaker 3>of his PhDs came from his made up university, so

0:51:17.520 --> 0:51:20.239
<v Speaker 3>now they're on it. So as for Montclair receiving the

0:51:20.239 --> 0:51:23.279
<v Speaker 3>Nobel Bride of Philology, as Noam Chomsky called it, he

0:51:23.320 --> 0:51:25.839
<v Speaker 3>claimed that he attended an award ceremony in New York

0:51:25.880 --> 0:51:28.759
<v Speaker 3>in twenty fifteen, not in Paris, which is interesting because

0:51:28.760 --> 0:51:32.040
<v Speaker 3>in a French newspaper published in December twenty fifteen, Montclair

0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:35.200
<v Speaker 3>said that quote the award ceremony was postponed because of

0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:38.520
<v Speaker 3>recent terrorist attacks and rescheduled for February twenty sixteen at

0:51:38.600 --> 0:51:42.680
<v Speaker 3>UNESCO headquarters in Paris, the very same headquarters that disavowed

0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:45.600
<v Speaker 3>knowing him at all. So at this point the same

0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:48.440
<v Speaker 3>news story from the French newspaper Monteclair said, and I

0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:51.800
<v Speaker 3>quote this award shows that even professors at very small

0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:58.160
<v Speaker 3>universities can be of interest for the whole world. Yes, indeed, professor, indeed,

0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:01.120
<v Speaker 3>and just you wait, brother, because interest from the whole

0:52:01.120 --> 0:52:01.759
<v Speaker 3>world is coming.

0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:02.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh no.

0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:05.480
<v Speaker 3>When the Romanian journalists published their article, they go with

0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:09.200
<v Speaker 3>the ketchy and provocative headline the fake Nobel Prize that

0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:13.399
<v Speaker 3>duped the Romanian Academy. They take shots at everybody. Good

0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:16.000
<v Speaker 3>for you, guys. So since their story is published in

0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:19.160
<v Speaker 3>Romania and in Romanian, it does not create a major

0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:22.040
<v Speaker 3>stir in France. In fact, nothing really comes of it

0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:23.040
<v Speaker 3>for seven years.

0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Seven years.

0:52:24.560 --> 0:52:27.560
<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, monta Claire's ambitions leave this trail of lies that

0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:30.040
<v Speaker 3>lead right back to him. For instance, in twenty seventeen,

0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:32.319
<v Speaker 3>he added to his resume that he'd co authored a

0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:36.440
<v Speaker 3>paper with Noam Chomsky with the title the Galileeo Challenge,

0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:39.480
<v Speaker 3>A New Aspect of the Study of Language. Now, if

0:52:39.520 --> 0:52:41.800
<v Speaker 3>you check the academic record, and you check that title.

0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:43.920
<v Speaker 3>There is indeed a paper with that title, and it

0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:46.280
<v Speaker 3>was published singularly by Noam Chomsky.

0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:49.760
<v Speaker 2>So he just tacked his name on.

0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:52.280
<v Speaker 3>And dis wrote it in French so nobody would notice. Wow.

0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:54.920
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, and then he eventually gave a ted X

0:52:54.960 --> 0:52:57.960
<v Speaker 3>talk about the subject stop once again in French, so

0:52:58.160 --> 0:52:59.040
<v Speaker 3>nobody would notice.

0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:00.880
<v Speaker 2>You know what, it's not for me.

0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:04.080
<v Speaker 3>He also claimed to give a conference talk at Harvard.

0:53:04.600 --> 0:53:08.719
<v Speaker 3>His talk carried the title Gypsies in French Serial novel. Now,

0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:10.759
<v Speaker 3>when the university was asked about this talk by the

0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:13.319
<v Speaker 3>Romanian journalists, Harvard could find no record of such a

0:53:13.360 --> 0:53:16.919
<v Speaker 3>conference or talk given by Montclair, just another long line

0:53:16.960 --> 0:53:19.279
<v Speaker 3>of his lies. So in the meantime, the next year,

0:53:19.280 --> 0:53:22.120
<v Speaker 3>in twenty eighteen, Montclair applied to the French Ministry of

0:53:22.200 --> 0:53:25.880
<v Speaker 3>Higher Education asking for a promotion. He indicated his second

0:53:26.000 --> 0:53:28.840
<v Speaker 3>PhD from the University of Philology as evidence he was

0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:32.640
<v Speaker 3>due greater acclaim in the world of French academia and

0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:34.160
<v Speaker 3>also a commensurate pay raise.

0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's right, so though this.

0:53:36.440 --> 0:53:41.000
<v Speaker 3>Would ultimately be his undoing flash forward April twenty twenty

0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:44.480
<v Speaker 3>six this year, Yeah, the long lost article from Sena

0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:47.319
<v Speaker 3>nine by the Romanian journalist. It becomes the spark for

0:53:47.400 --> 0:53:51.520
<v Speaker 3>an investigation into Monteclair by French authorities and a public

0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:56.360
<v Speaker 3>prosecutor bought Eddi Lalu, who works in Montepelliard in eastern France.

0:53:56.400 --> 0:53:59.080
<v Speaker 3>He takes up this case. He and a team of detectives.

0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:02.920
<v Speaker 3>They began to investigate Montclair and his academic bona fides,

0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:07.040
<v Speaker 3>and as The Guardian reports, their investigation focuses on quote

0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:10.920
<v Speaker 3>whether Montclair, employed at Marie and Louis Pastora University in

0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:14.840
<v Speaker 3>besancon used the fake metal and a doctorate from the

0:54:14.920 --> 0:54:17.880
<v Speaker 3>University of Philology and Education in the US to obtain

0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:21.040
<v Speaker 3>a promotion and pay raise. That's what leads to a

0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:24.239
<v Speaker 3>visit to meet the mysterio academic at the heart of

0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:26.919
<v Speaker 3>this academic scandal. But rather than me tell you about

0:54:26.960 --> 0:54:30.240
<v Speaker 3>that little visit, Elizabeth, Yes, I want you to close

0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:38.560
<v Speaker 3>your eyes as I wants you to picture it. It's

0:54:38.560 --> 0:54:40.880
<v Speaker 3>a charming Monday morning of February and you are in

0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:43.360
<v Speaker 3>a car. From your open window, you note that the

0:54:43.400 --> 0:54:46.320
<v Speaker 3>air is crisp, the skies overhead are blue as a

0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:49.719
<v Speaker 3>robin's belly, The sweet aroma of a bakery filters into

0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:53.240
<v Speaker 3>your consciousness with a sort of urgency you typically expect

0:54:53.239 --> 0:54:56.080
<v Speaker 3>from a foul smell. But there is no stink here,

0:54:56.520 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 3>just the overpowering fragrance of fresh baked baguettes morning pastries.

0:55:01.360 --> 0:55:04.920
<v Speaker 3>In short, it's a beautiful morning in France, as you, Elizabeth,

0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:07.200
<v Speaker 3>noticed this all from where you were seated in the

0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:10.239
<v Speaker 3>passenger seat of a French police car. The sound of

0:55:10.280 --> 0:55:13.560
<v Speaker 3>the siren is the only indication that you are at work,

0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:17.640
<v Speaker 3>because you are a veteran French policewoman, one who's accompanying

0:55:17.640 --> 0:55:20.399
<v Speaker 3>a squadron of your fellow police officers, as well as

0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:24.319
<v Speaker 3>the French public prosecutor, Paul Edouard la Lois. Within a

0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:27.240
<v Speaker 3>short time, you all arrive at your target, a quiet

0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:31.000
<v Speaker 3>residence belonging to a rather unassuming French professor. Car doors

0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:33.440
<v Speaker 3>open and slams shut. You and the team of officers

0:55:33.440 --> 0:55:37.600
<v Speaker 3>and a prosecutor approach the front door, unsure what to expect.

0:55:38.040 --> 0:55:41.480
<v Speaker 3>Your squad commander knocks on the brightly painted blue front door,

0:55:41.640 --> 0:55:44.080
<v Speaker 3>and you all wait until finally you hear from the

0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:46.400
<v Speaker 3>other side of the door some rustling and then the

0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:49.080
<v Speaker 3>twist of a door lock. Then the door swings open.

0:55:49.160 --> 0:55:52.760
<v Speaker 3>With a slow creak. Standing in the doorway is the rumpled,

0:55:52.800 --> 0:55:58.240
<v Speaker 3>bespectacled Professor Montclair. He looks surprised to see all the police,

0:55:58.520 --> 0:56:00.600
<v Speaker 3>but you notice he doesn't look as prized as you

0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:04.040
<v Speaker 3>might expect. It's as if he knew this day was coming.

0:56:04.360 --> 0:56:07.320
<v Speaker 3>The public prosecutor steps forward and shows him a search warrant.

0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:10.680
<v Speaker 3>He says, in a friendly tone, Monsieur montre Claire, do

0:56:10.800 --> 0:56:13.799
<v Speaker 3>you know why we are here? The professor clearly does.

0:56:13.880 --> 0:56:17.800
<v Speaker 3>He takes a silent beat. This pregnant pause heightens the drama,

0:56:18.040 --> 0:56:21.080
<v Speaker 3>and then he says, with a wry smile, it's about

0:56:21.080 --> 0:56:26.400
<v Speaker 3>the medal. I suppose the professor confirms his suspected criminal offenses.

0:56:26.800 --> 0:56:29.359
<v Speaker 3>As you stand there a bit surprised how low key

0:56:29.400 --> 0:56:31.920
<v Speaker 3>this professor is about the squad of police officers on

0:56:31.960 --> 0:56:35.160
<v Speaker 3>the doorstep, he confesses to his crimes. He admits that

0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:38.200
<v Speaker 3>he visited a jeweler in Paris, and that he asked

0:56:38.200 --> 0:56:41.040
<v Speaker 3>the jeweler to make the initial gold medal of Philology,

0:56:41.200 --> 0:56:43.560
<v Speaker 3>and he says it cost him two hundred and fifty pounds.

0:56:43.760 --> 0:56:46.880
<v Speaker 3>Then he presented it to himself in that Nobel Laureate

0:56:46.880 --> 0:56:50.080
<v Speaker 3>attended award ceremony. The Professor's also quick to admit that

0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:52.319
<v Speaker 3>not only did he order the medal award it to

0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:56.280
<v Speaker 3>himself and later to Nomchowski, he also single handedly created

0:56:56.320 --> 0:56:59.600
<v Speaker 3>the Daisy chain of websites for the International Society of

0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:03.279
<v Speaker 3>la and the related University of Philology and Education. You

0:57:03.360 --> 0:57:06.359
<v Speaker 3>start to wonder when he'll stop confessing to crimes. As

0:57:06.360 --> 0:57:09.520
<v Speaker 3>a professor stands there in his front porch confessing. The professor,

0:57:09.560 --> 0:57:12.480
<v Speaker 3>in a very French way, finishes speaking as he concludes

0:57:12.520 --> 0:57:15.799
<v Speaker 3>that what he did was obviously not illegal. You think

0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:19.720
<v Speaker 3>yourself bonschance with that, professor? I doubt the courts will agree.

0:57:20.120 --> 0:57:23.600
<v Speaker 3>The smug smile of the rumpled professor certainly falls and

0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:27.000
<v Speaker 3>falls hard once the handcuffs are slapped on his wrists

0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:30.840
<v Speaker 3>and he's led away to face justice. So there you go, Elizabeth. Wait,

0:57:30.960 --> 0:57:32.320
<v Speaker 3>the moment has finally come.

0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:34.080
<v Speaker 2>That has he broken a he lose?

0:57:34.480 --> 0:57:39.120
<v Speaker 3>That's a good question, so, Elizabeth, Professor Moulticlaier is well

0:57:39.120 --> 0:57:43.040
<v Speaker 3>constructed and well maintained academic lie does go pop, And

0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:44.800
<v Speaker 3>you don't know, you do have to love that he

0:57:44.880 --> 0:57:46.600
<v Speaker 3>claims that what he's done is no problem at all,

0:57:46.640 --> 0:57:48.960
<v Speaker 3>because you know, he's like, oh, It all depends on

0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:51.640
<v Speaker 3>what one means when one says forgery or what you

0:57:51.680 --> 0:57:54.880
<v Speaker 3>mean when you say the word lie. He basically goes like,

0:57:54.960 --> 0:57:57.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, full on President Bill Clinton. He's like, he says,

0:57:57.840 --> 0:58:00.200
<v Speaker 3>his guilt depends on what the desfinition is.

0:58:00.720 --> 0:58:03.560
<v Speaker 2>But he's just lying. He's not you know there, what's

0:58:03.600 --> 0:58:05.880
<v Speaker 2>his I guess his gain is trying to get a raise.

0:58:06.280 --> 0:58:08.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's it. His case comes down to the question

0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:11.080
<v Speaker 3>of the gold medal that Monteclaire gave himself and then

0:58:11.120 --> 0:58:14.439
<v Speaker 3>later awarded nom Chomsky. That's like the headline grabbing part.

0:58:14.480 --> 0:58:18.480
<v Speaker 3>But technically that wasn't a forgery. You're right about it was.

0:58:18.520 --> 0:58:20.480
<v Speaker 3>It was a phony award. It's not illegal to have

0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:21.760
<v Speaker 3>phony awards.

0:58:21.840 --> 0:58:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, we have awards shows here every now

0:58:25.240 --> 0:58:25.560
<v Speaker 2>and then.

0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:30.440
<v Speaker 3>So, as a French prosecutor, Laois told The Guardian, in

0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:33.040
<v Speaker 3>his view, the medal is not a forgery. A forgery

0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:35.760
<v Speaker 3>implies that there is a genuine medal. As the genuine

0:58:35.800 --> 0:58:39.920
<v Speaker 3>philology metal does not exist, his medal cannot be a forgery.

0:58:40.440 --> 0:58:42.840
<v Speaker 3>He isn't good legal standing there, Yeah, you know, that

0:58:43.000 --> 0:58:46.080
<v Speaker 3>is the power of words to define the reality. However,

0:58:46.080 --> 0:58:48.880
<v Speaker 3>if you ask the Prosecutor Laois. He also has a

0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:53.080
<v Speaker 3>different opinion about what it means that is a crime, because,

0:58:53.120 --> 0:58:55.640
<v Speaker 3>for instance, as he puts it, anyone can create the

0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:58.800
<v Speaker 3>medal you can order online the best journalists in France

0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:02.160
<v Speaker 3>medal in gold is silver bronze, awarded to yourself. And

0:59:02.200 --> 0:59:05.520
<v Speaker 3>hold your own little ceremony quietly at home over drinks.

0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:07.720
<v Speaker 3>If you stay at home with your little medals on

0:59:07.760 --> 0:59:11.240
<v Speaker 3>top of your mental piece, there are no legal consequences. If,

0:59:11.440 --> 0:59:14.640
<v Speaker 3>on the other hand, you mentioned it to your employer,

0:59:15.000 --> 0:59:17.800
<v Speaker 3>if you mention it to this media, and if all

0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:21.520
<v Speaker 3>this leads to a certain amount of professional recognition, then

0:59:21.560 --> 0:59:24.960
<v Speaker 3>it has a concrete implications. And that is well, the

0:59:25.040 --> 0:59:29.200
<v Speaker 3>notion of fraud can begin to arise, and it does

0:59:29.440 --> 0:59:33.360
<v Speaker 3>because Professor Multiplayer had screwed himself giving himself a fake

0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:37.040
<v Speaker 3>awards one thing, but the real recognition he derived from it,

0:59:37.120 --> 0:59:40.439
<v Speaker 3>the real promotion he finagled, and the very real pay

0:59:40.560 --> 0:59:46.160
<v Speaker 3>raise received, that is all, no matter how you cut it.

0:59:46.200 --> 0:59:49.520
<v Speaker 3>Exactly so, as Prosecutor Lawatta the Guardian, this whole scheme

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<v Speaker 3>allowed him to gain academic standing that he would not

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<v Speaker 3>have had it had it not been for the creation

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<v Speaker 3>and media coverage of this medal and been back to

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<v Speaker 3>writing his fantasy vampire books, and nobody would have been

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<v Speaker 3>the wise. So as a result of this legal scandal,

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<v Speaker 3>Multiplayer was suspended from the university where he works. Naturally,

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<v Speaker 3>he plans to appeal that suspension because this case is ongoing.

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<v Speaker 3>His lawyer, Jean Baptiste Uvaud, has argued that the creating

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<v Speaker 3>a fake academic society and giving yourself a fake international

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<v Speaker 3>gold medal is quote not the criminal offense which nobody

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<v Speaker 3>is arguing. In a very French way, his lawyer also

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<v Speaker 3>told the French newspaper Lamont that the people are saying

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<v Speaker 3>that ten years ago everyone fell for a monstrous hoax.

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<v Speaker 3>But everyone has the right to be imaginative. It's up

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<v Speaker 3>to the person you're talking to whether they believe it

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<v Speaker 3>or not. So in other words, he's kind of saying that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, if you fell for it, it is I

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<v Speaker 3>believe your fault. Once again, the plan was excellent, but

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<v Speaker 3>the realization of the plan ridiculously criminal. So Elizabeth, what

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<v Speaker 3>is our ridiculous takeaway here?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Man, I just don't be your own worst enemy.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know how you do that, but just

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<v Speaker 2>don't do it well. I don't do it, bro.

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<v Speaker 3>I think like putting on airs, he does it, and

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<v Speaker 3>then trying to get a raise something you made up

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<v Speaker 3>would probably do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, these are not None of these were adequately planned. No,

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<v Speaker 2>they were planned, but not adequately, not intelligently.

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<v Speaker 3>Not to get away with them, passion.

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<v Speaker 2>They all just they tricked people. Initial.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they got away with it for weeks at a time, months, years,

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<v Speaker 3>and every single time they're like, oh wait, I have

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<v Speaker 3>to completely get away with it, and then no one

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<v Speaker 3>ever ever finds out. It can't just be that like,

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<v Speaker 3>look I get I got what I wanted. Like he

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<v Speaker 3>gets the closest, the last one gets the closest. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess you could argue that DJ Santa Militia he

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<v Speaker 3>also got pretty close pulling pulling nine million dollars out

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<v Speaker 3>of the airlines.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's your takeaway?

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<v Speaker 3>My thank you for asking, Elizabeth is I just love

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<v Speaker 3>that this last one took place in France. It made

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<v Speaker 3>it so much richer because everybody took it so seriously,

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<v Speaker 3>because like anything I was reading, like le mom that

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<v Speaker 3>was like this is a crime. This is not the crime,

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<v Speaker 3>is it? What does it mean? Being so friends about

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<v Speaker 3>a fake gold medal. Who cares? Oh that was mine?

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<v Speaker 3>You moved for a talkback?

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<v Speaker 2>Certain I certainly am.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, oh my god, did you ill?

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<v Speaker 6>His question is for Saron and Elizabeth. I was listening

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<v Speaker 6>to the newest podcast episode I'm going to Steal Your

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<v Speaker 6>Birth Strange World of Pigeons, and at the beginning, you

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<v Speaker 6>guys are talking about the world come and all the

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<v Speaker 6>countries you guys are writing for. I was just curious

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<v Speaker 6>that you guys are for the USA as well.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't mention it, of course. Yeah, it's like the default, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm going to root for America to get

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<v Speaker 3>as far as we can. I don't think America is

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<v Speaker 3>gonna win it, and I'll be surprised if they do.

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<v Speaker 3>But like, I'm actually rooting for other teams to get

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<v Speaker 3>all the way to the end and win it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, And you and I were talking of it has

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we joke around about like oh what my

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<v Speaker 2>you know, ethnic makeup is, but we have each of

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<v Speaker 2>us has like a very particular style of play that

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<v Speaker 2>we like, and so like watching the US play Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>they were so similar and it's very hard charging and

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<v Speaker 2>like big booths. Yeah, and so that you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't appeal to me as much as like the French

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<v Speaker 2>play does. And so that's kind of where we get

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of our motivations for who we root for.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, how great would it be to see the

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<v Speaker 2>USA go all the way? Will they know it's unlikely,

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<v Speaker 2>But we don't also have those like a century of

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<v Speaker 2>football culture with that here. Now we're still building. We're

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<v Speaker 2>still building a.

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<v Speaker 3>Samurai Blue of Japan. We are rather new, to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be exactly exactly, and we have to get over the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that we have Alexi Lawless. Yeah, we around looking

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<v Speaker 2>like he's in the spin doctors being a fool.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. We're on like thirty years deep into this experiment,

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<v Speaker 3>exactly years.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, you know, we're building it and building it.

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<v Speaker 2>But then like you can't take the US team and

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<v Speaker 2>put them up against the French, like.

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<v Speaker 3>No, or even most of the Global South.

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<v Speaker 2>Or Argentina my god, Yeah, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Talking even Cameroon or Senegal or some of the teams.

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<v Speaker 2>Read of course, by default, of course we root for

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<v Speaker 2>the US. Yeah, and I'd love to see him get

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<v Speaker 2>as far as possible. That'd be awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've always been very impressed with the US women's

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<v Speaker 3>national team. They have won the World Cup.

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<v Speaker 2>They're ahead. Yeah, they're definitely ahead in terms of like

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<v Speaker 2>levels of culture.

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<v Speaker 3>And I fed them for decades because my sister was

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<v Speaker 3>big into soccer. She went very far with soccer. So

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<v Speaker 3>I watched a lot of women's soccer and I really

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<v Speaker 3>really enjoy watching the There's some really.

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<v Speaker 2>Good players on the US men's team right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this team, for sure, it's a legit team, and

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of the Mannalists think that they could go

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<v Speaker 3>all the way. I mean many of them are Americans,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're saying it out loud, which you've never said

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<v Speaker 3>before in the world count.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it'll be really interesting whatever it is. I

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<v Speaker 2>just love watching many rooting for the drama. Yeah, exactly.

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