1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Can't. I am six forty. You're listening to the John 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app. Later this hour, we're 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: going to tell you the story of another boondoggle with 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: the state. This one one hundred and fourteen million dollars 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: and it was a wildlife bridge that was built and 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: except it goes nowhere. It starts nowhere and ends nowhere, 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 1: and they don't have the money to fix it. This 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: is a Gavin Newsom production and you might see it's 9 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: been in a lot of the media. This the overhead 10 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: view of the bridge and it sits in the middle 11 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: of this expanse. But there's no run up to the bridge, 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: there's no exit out to the bridge. Wildlife is supposed 13 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: to cross. It's to help everything from cougars to butterflies. 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: We will We're gonna play a clip by the activist 15 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: who's blown own all the money and now wants more money. 16 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: It's you're just not going to believe it, or you 17 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: will believe it. We're going to talk. You know, COVID 18 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: is six years since the shutdown, and I was fascinated 19 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: by an LA Time story that there's still a lot 20 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: of people that suffer from long COVID. They have all 21 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: kinds of symptoms that have gone on for years and years, 22 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: can't get rid of them, and nobody really knows what 23 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: to do, and they cut federal research money to the 24 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: syndrome and its people are stuck. We're going to talk 25 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: to doctor Jeffrey Klausner. Now, Doctor Klausner was on with 26 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: us a number of times during the COVID crisis. How 27 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: are you, Jeffrey. Welcome? 28 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: All right, John, I'm doing very well. Nice to be 29 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: back on the show with you. 30 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: Explain what this is, what the symptoms are. 31 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: So long. COVID is a condition that occurs after COVID 32 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: infection when people have persistent symptoms. The most common symptom 33 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: people may be familiar with. It's called brain fog. And 34 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 2: in brain fog, people not only they forgetful and maybe 35 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: somewhat confused, but they can't do sustained brain activity. They 36 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: get tired very easily on reading, they can't do math calculations, 37 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: they can't do the typical work that many people do 38 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 2: in the office. Another common symptom is severe fatigue after exertions. 39 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: So you and I may colimify the stairs or go 40 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 2: for a jog or walk in the park people along COVID. 41 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: After they do so minimal physical activity will be profoundly 42 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: tired and have to lie down for hours. A third 43 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: symptom is people going to have a normal heart rate 44 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: and and difficulty sleeping and is affecting a heck of 45 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: a lot of people here in La County. 46 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 1: So do we know is this because they still have 47 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: the virus in their system or this was damage done 48 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: to the system that can't seem to repair itself. 49 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we think it's more of the latter that 50 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: people have cleared the virus because scientists can't really find 51 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: any persistent, replicating virus. They've also been trying to treat 52 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: this with anti viral therapy like TACKS a little bit 53 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: for many weeks and that has no benefit. But it 54 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: seems to be something gone awry with the immune system. 55 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: So we know you, we know you need your immune 56 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: system to clear infections and to clear the virus. But 57 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: sometimes after certain diseases and infections, the immune system just 58 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: goes to rye and it stays on. So when it 59 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: stays on like this at a high volume of activity, 60 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: it causes nerve damage, brain damage, heart damage, and damage 61 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: to normal symptoms. That keep that healthy body functioning. 62 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: And nobody can fix this. I mean, are they stuck 63 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: the rest of their lives this way? 64 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: Well, I mean some people, do, you know, slowly get better. 65 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: A lot of the treatments, particularly the treatment programs that 66 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: usc KEECH or UCLA, are integrated programs with physical therapy, 67 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: occupational therapy. There are medications to control the heart rate. 68 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,799 Speaker 2: There's no real medicine to make you think more clearly 69 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: or your brain function better. But people learn how to 70 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: pace themselves and how to protect themselves from you know, 71 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 2: the real exertion and the fatigue. But many patients we've 72 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: been seeing, and people that I see in support groups 73 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: and elsewhere, have become profoundly disabled, can't go to work 74 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: and are having difficulties getting disability, staying in their job, 75 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: using their job. You lose your job, you lose income. 76 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: You can't get disability benefits with this data. It's not recognized. 77 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: Well it's only recently become recognized that there's a specific 78 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 2: diagnostic code that the doctor can identify this, but many 79 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: doctors are not really familiar with the condition. Again, there's 80 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 2: only two places in La County that really have a 81 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: comprehensive long COVID program. The County Programs Department Health Services, 82 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 2: which we've been trying to advocate for, does not have 83 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 2: a long COVID clinic. So people you know, have a 84 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: specific problem or hard problem go to cardiologists that they're lucky. 85 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: If they have a lung problem, they go to a promonologist. 86 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 2: And the people I talked to and the people in 87 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: our surpro group have had it very difficult getting disability 88 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: and getting care that they need. 89 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: I saw in the story that women get this more 90 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: than men, Hispanics more than any other group. How would 91 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: that be. 92 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: Well, we do know that females are more lucky to 93 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: have audimmune conditions. So this is, you know, someone in 94 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: that big category of immune dysfunction, autoimmune diseases. Females are 95 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: morelucky to get multiple grosis, more likely get lupus and 96 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 2: those kind of conditions. It's about three to two, about 97 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: three females for every two males. In terms of we 98 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: starting to see it more commonly in you know, people 99 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: who were more likely to be essential workers. So people 100 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: acquired COVID before the vaccine became available in January twenty 101 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 2: twenty one, before treatments became available. Also in early twenty 102 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: twenty one, so people did not have the benefit of 103 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: those protection or treatments, and it seems that part of 104 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: the path of genesis are what the causes this is 105 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: is the longer amount of virus you've had in your system, 106 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 2: the more likely to develop long COVID. 107 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: You know, I knew somebody and this is what they 108 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: were worried about. They figured if they got COVID, they'd 109 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: survive it all right, But their decisions on whether they 110 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: get a vaccine and a mask was because they were 111 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: afraid of long COVID that they didn't want to spend 112 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: the rest of their life in brain fog, because they 113 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: had a job that required an actively working brain. And 114 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: that's what spooped them the most, is that this thing 115 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: would go away. 116 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's definitely. I mean, we've seen a lot 117 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: of people in the industry here in Los Angeles have 118 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: not been able to work. I mean, the most affected 119 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: population seems to be people between thirty and fifty nine 120 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: years of age, which is really kind of the peak, 121 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: you know, working period in one's life. The people who 122 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: are sixty five and older were less likely to get 123 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: COVID because they did more self protection and children well 124 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: can still get long COVID also seemed to be less effective, 125 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: So it's really poised to have a major you know, 126 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: economic impact Mount Taple in LA County and. 127 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: This gonna be one hundreds of thousands of people that 128 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: have this still. 129 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, So right now, I mean we have we have 130 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: two sources of data on the frequency. LA County did 131 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: a telephone survey back in twenty twenty three and they 132 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: ask people, you know, were you affected with COVID, had 133 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: and had you have symptoms for three months or more? 134 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: And six hundred and thirty one thousand, six hundred and 135 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: thirty one thousand LA residents it's estimated by that survey 136 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: would have said yes. CDC did another survey and they 137 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: found in twenty twenty four about three hundred thousand LA 138 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: residents with about about a court of those with severe 139 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: long COVID. So these numbers are remarkable. And you know, 140 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: two to four more than a number of people with 141 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: HIV in Accounty. 142 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: Wow. And there's not much research going into this anymore, 143 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: right Well. 144 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 2: I mean there's some private investment. The NIH does not 145 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 2: have the same kind of focus long COVID research program, 146 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: but investigators can still apply to the NIH and we're 147 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 2: calling on the State of California to invest in research. 148 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 2: In the state of California, it does have ten million 149 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: dollars a year allocated to HIV research. We're calling on 150 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: other types of philanthropies to invest in long COVID research. 151 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: But more important, we want the Board of Supervisors to 152 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: address this. We want to convenient task force. We want 153 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: supervisors who the police to put this on the board agenda, 154 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: that people come together and talk about this and come 155 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: up with a plan on how to address it moving forward. 156 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: All right, doctor Jeffrey Klauster, thank you for coming out again. 157 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: All Right, my pleasure. Good to talk to you. 158 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: Good talking with you. 159 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 160 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 3: six forty. 161 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: Follow us at John Cobelt Radio, on social media at 162 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: John Cobelt Radio, or subscribe on YouTube, YouTube, dot com, 163 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: slash at John Cobelt Show. When we come back, you'll 164 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: be interested in this. There is this wildlife bridge over 165 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: the one O one Freeway. It's supposed to be ten lanes, 166 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: well it's over ten lanes of the freeway and it's 167 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: supposed to be so mountain lions, cougars all even butterflies 168 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: can cross safely from one side of the freeway to 169 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: the other, because the mountain lions are getting stuck only 170 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: on one side of the freeway and they're starting to inbreed, 171 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: so they say, and the thing is way way, way 172 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: over budget. It's now going to cost one hundred and 173 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: fourteen million dollars. And there's this wacky animal active, this 174 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: who has no apparent connection to construction, who's in charge 175 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: of the build And so right now it is literally 176 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: a bridge to nowhere. It looks ridiculous. It's like another 177 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: one on these stonehenge things where there's there's no there's 178 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: no way to get to the left side or the 179 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: right side. It just sits in the middle. 180 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 4: Why do butterflies need this? 181 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. I've got to see they put that 182 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: in the captions of the story, and I'm trying to 183 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: find I would think the butterfly could could make it 184 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: over the over the freeway without its own lane. But 185 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: one hundred and fourteen million dollars seventy seven million dollars 186 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: in state funds, and and they just keep adding tens 187 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: of millions of dollars and spending to this project over 188 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: and over and we'll get to that coming up in 189 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: just a few minutes. You remember fake meat, yes, what 190 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: they call plant based meat, which, by the way, you 191 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: never took one bite. I found it disgusting, well because 192 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: it didn't taste like meat, which they found out was 193 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: the problem. And it looks like the industry is collapsing. 194 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: Investors are bailing out, consumers are not consuming it anymore. 195 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: It's just a big bomb. I won't mention any names 196 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: because then they'll probably sue to try to get their 197 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: losses back. But just the whole concept of fake meat, 198 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: it's like, if it's plant based, then it's plant it's 199 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: a plant product. It's not a meat product. Plant based meat. 200 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 4: You're not the audience, John. 201 00:12:53,400 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. So anyway, sales are dropping and nobody 202 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: likes it. And there is a British company that makes 203 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: meat free products. There's another euphemism, and a guy named 204 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: Mark Cutigan, and he admitted some plant based meat is 205 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: still awful and one bad experience can put a curious 206 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: consumer off for good. And they admit now that taste 207 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: was an afterthought when they created these How can that. 208 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 4: Be an afterthought? 209 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: They thought they could convince people with a moral argument 210 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 1: because a lot of this came from if you're eating meat, 211 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: you've killed an animal and now you're consuming the animal 212 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: or cattle cow's part a lot, and that adds to 213 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: the greenhouse gases and climate change. So there's two strong 214 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: moral reasons not to eat meat. The death of the 215 00:13:54,840 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: animal and you're destroying the atmosphere. And you know, people 216 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: you know would feel emotionally manipulated for a moment and 217 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: then and then eat it and they'd bite into it 218 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: and it was. 219 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 5: Like, pH, well, you can be like me and you 220 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 5: just don't eat any of the fake stuff. 221 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 4: I'm a vegan, but I don't eat vegan stuff. 222 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: They uh, they call it fermentation derived proteins made from 223 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: micro organisms. That's how they devised the material. And I 224 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: don't know what that means, fermentation device, uh, and it's 225 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: it's One writer said, I felt that he was doing 226 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: good without sacrificing all that much. But the sacrifice of 227 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: flavor was a measurable loss. Why do you want to 228 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: spend your life doing that? 229 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 4: Just don't eat anything that looks like meat. 230 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: Uh. 231 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 4: Although that's that's a hard cell for some people. 232 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: One author's Jonathan Saffron Jonathan Sathron Foyer, guys with three names. 233 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: I ate meat a number of times because it brought 234 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: me comfort. But he agonized over it because he raised 235 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: his children as vegetarians and he believed in radical change, 236 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: and he felt guilty that he was eating meat for comfort. 237 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: But it felt really good to eat the meat, and 238 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: so he went back to that. 239 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 4: At least he tried. 240 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: No, I had it once, so you guys pulled that 241 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: prank on me at Bruno's remember, oh yeah, yeah. And 242 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: the first bite was okay, and then it was this 243 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: horrible aftertaste. I mean it just it tasted like I 244 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: was eating innerds. 245 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 4: It was no longer meatst Oh. 246 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: I didn't finish all right, Well, when do I have 247 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: somebody coming on now? Four thirty? Does anybody know what 248 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: I'm doing? 249 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: No? 250 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 4: Did you have to go to news? 251 00:15:58,520 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 6: Now? 252 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: Okay, let's do the news, because I gotta tell you 253 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: what I had at this Korean barbecue. 254 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 3: As I was thinking to you when I went You're 255 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 3: listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI Am sixty. 256 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: We are on every day from three to six and 257 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: after six o'clock. John Cobelt Show on demand on the 258 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: iHeart app. So the high speed rail is just one 259 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: of many, many scandals and many boondoggles going on here 260 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: in California. And we got a new one for you. 261 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: And this is the Wallace Annenberg Wildlife Crossing. This is 262 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: ten lanes of the one to one freeway and on 263 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: top of it they created a bridge. But the bridge 264 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: only goes part way. It sticks up in the air 265 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: and there's no connection from the left side to the 266 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: right side of the freeway. It just sits up there. 267 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: The stansion is built. They have actually added some vegetation 268 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: on the bridge and it looks like an island sitting 269 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: in the middle. 270 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 4: I drive by it almost every day. 271 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: You do, Yeah, does it look ridiculous? 272 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 2: No? 273 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 4: I don't think it looks ridiculous. 274 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 1: Yes it does. 275 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 4: I don't think it looks ridiculous. I just don't know 276 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 4: how it's really. 277 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: Gonna work well from the air. From the air, it 278 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: looks ridiculous because there's no connection to the land on 279 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: either side. 280 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 4: I'm not flying. 281 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: So where is this on the one on one? It's 282 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: a Gora agra u. This thing. To finish it is 283 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: going to cost one hundred and fourteen million dollars. And 284 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: it was when when Gavin Newsom held a press conference 285 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: and broke ground. He committed fifty four million dollars and 286 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: he thought another ten million and it'll be enough. Sixty 287 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: four million dollars, which is an outrageous sum of money, 288 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: and it's supposed to allow wildlife to cross from one 289 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: side of the freeway to the other. Sixty four million dollars, 290 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: some of it donated by philanthropists, but a lot of 291 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: at tax money, so it's it's almost doubled in price, 292 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: from sixty four million to one hundred and fourteen million. 293 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: And one of the reasons is listen to this looney tune. 294 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: Best Prat some kind of animal activist. She's in charge 295 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: of building the bridge. Nobody could find that she has 296 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: any previous construction experience. Let's play this video that she made. 297 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 6: When we started stage one and we're waiting to start 298 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:33,239 Speaker 6: stage two. 299 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 2: The world change beneath us. 300 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 6: Though the spring, construction costs increased considerably. Although we were 301 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 6: holding reserves to finish construction, all those are exhausted at 302 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 6: this point because of tariff's inflation and so many other 303 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 6: factors in pacting construction projects, not just ours. So we 304 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 6: need your help one more time to get us to 305 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 6: the finish line and help us go back those reserves 306 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 6: so that we can ensure that we final construction by November, 307 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 6: so we can all put that RIBBM together. What a 308 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 6: moment that will be. And like you, I can't wait 309 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 6: to scene that first, not whenst a promise to p 310 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 6: three two of these al filled and the Santa Monica 311 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 6: Mountain Wildlife for hout of teaching. The kay of all 312 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 6: of you is please donate today to save La Couters. 313 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: We're going to complete this together, the dream that we started. 314 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 4: Thank you for. 315 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 6: Being a part of it. 316 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, to save La Cougars. That is Beth Pratt. And 317 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm looking at a photo now and it just sits 318 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: there up in the air over the freeway and it 319 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: doesn't quite make it to land either on the left 320 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: or right side. And they have the top of it flattened, grated, 321 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: and they've got some vegetation and dirt and rocks and things, 322 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:55,479 Speaker 1: I guess for the animals to entertain themselves. So Newsom 323 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: said it was going to be sixty four million, and 324 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: that was in twenty twenty two. After three years it 325 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: was ninety two million. It's twenty one million over budget. 326 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: On top of that and was supposed to be the 327 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: world's largest wildlife crossing. Instead is turned into a jobs 328 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: program for environmentalists. In the video, she's wearing a hard 329 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: hat and save La Cougar's jersey. And of course there's 330 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: always supposed to be emotional manipulation involved in this and 331 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: lying because they claim that without this crossing then you'll 332 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: have inbreeding with the mountain lions and they'll die out. 333 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: Cougars and mountain lions are the same thing, and they'll 334 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: die out. Well, actually, if they just add one mountain 335 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: lion every generation, that'll provide enough genetic diversity so the 336 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: mountain lions will remain in business. 337 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,239 Speaker 5: Well, I also thought that this was to try and 338 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 5: prevent these mountain lions from being killed on the freeway. 339 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: You know, that's really up to them, isn't it. 340 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 4: Well I was wondera, Well, how are they going to know? 341 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 5: How do they know to go here instead of elsewhere 342 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 5: so they don't get hit and killed on a freeway. 343 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: She claimed it's to protect everything from mountain lions to butterflies. Now, 344 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: last I saw butterflies at wings. 345 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 4: Right, Well, that's what I said, don't they fly? 346 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: I don't understand this Beth Pratt is a habitat designer 347 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: and what she does is she analyzes root samples under 348 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: a microscope. She's apparently a fungus expert, and they hired 349 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: a soil scientist who assesses local dirt to rebuild it 350 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: as close to nature as possible. So she analyzes fungus 351 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: and she hired a guy to rebuild local dirt. I'm 352 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: not making this up. It's all on the California Post 353 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: and it's to protect the safety and genetic diversity of 354 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: the mountain lions. About a dozen adults live at any 355 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: given time, and they claim that they're going to go 356 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: extinct without the genetic diversity. But according to a paper 357 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: published by the Royal Society, the mountain lion population is demographic, 358 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: demographically vigorous and if you add one new mountain lion 359 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: to the population every generation, then you don't have to 360 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: worry about it. Newsom wants another one hundred and five 361 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: million dollars to replicate projects like this all up and 362 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: down the state, and they bragged that this created thirteen 363 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: thousand jobs, which is the cover they use for high 364 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: speed rail. So it's a jobs programs for unions who 365 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: donate to Gavin Newsom, I wonder to what you're saying. 366 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: I wonder how many animals would note across, would want 367 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: to cross. 368 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean that's I've been wondering that. 369 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 4: I don't know how that. 370 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how that works because you still have 371 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: all the noise in the pollution down below, and this 372 00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: bridge isn't that high up in the air. 373 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 4: It's high, but not that high. 374 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it would still I think, be disturbing. But 375 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: in any way, anyway, it's not worth one hundred and 376 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: fourteen million dollars, I mean seventy seven seventy seven million 377 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: tax money. And they got suckers at the Wallace at 378 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: Edinburgh Foundation to throw in a lot of money. But 379 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: you know what, as Christopher Ruffo wrote, the story points 380 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: out in the Ennenberg Foundation has assets of one point 381 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: two seven billion dollars, so they got plenty of money 382 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: to waste on a mountain lion and butterfly bridge across 383 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: the one on one. How come our roads and bridges 384 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: are dilapidated. But the mountain lions twelve mountain lions, twelve 385 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: of them, and the butterflies. 386 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 4: We're trying to get more john. 387 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: Which have wings one hundred and fourteen million dollars per twelve, 388 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: Mountain lion and butterflies who can fly over the bridge. 389 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 1: Debramark Live MCAFI twenty four hour News. 390 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 3: You're listening to John Cobbels on demand from KFI Am sixty. 391 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 1: Katie Grimes from californiaglobe dot com is gonna come on 392 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: after five o'clock. She had a reaction which a lot 393 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: of people have had about the Caesar Chavez revelations, all 394 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: the raping of young children that he did and young 395 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: women for decades and got away with it, never charged, 396 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: never suffered any public punishment. How do you pull that off? 397 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: How's it thirty three years after he died? We're finding out, Well, 398 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: she thinks the whole thing is fishing. So we'll talk 399 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: to Katie Grimes about that and other things as well. 400 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: All Right, you remember a couple of years ago they 401 00:24:54,960 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: passed a law which required chains like McDonald's to pay 402 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: twenty dollars an hour minimum wage. And they were told that, 403 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, intelligent people, it was as simply built twelve 404 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: twenty eight, and intelligent people told low IQ people like 405 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom, it really hurts when you have an IQ 406 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: of ninety three and your corrupt that is a killer. 407 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: They said, look, you passed this thing. It's going to 408 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: make fast food cost more and it's going to cost jobs. 409 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: Who know it's not Well. Finally, there's a study on this. 410 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: Dan Walters wrote about it at calmatters dot org. An 411 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: independent study done by U see Santa Cruz. Okay, so 412 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: this is not exactly some hardcore conservative business school. You see, 413 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: Santa Cruz did a real world study of how the 414 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: twenty dollars minimum wage affected the owners and employees of 415 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: fast food franchises. An economics professor named Steven Owen and 416 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: a team of undergraduates studied more than one hundred outlets 417 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: in the Santa Cruz Central Valley area. And it turns 418 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: out the critics were right. The fast food industry was 419 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: correct that the minimum wage law for fast food has 420 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: created a multitude of unintended negative consequences between government wage 421 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: policies and economic realities. In other words, lots of people 422 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: lost their jobs, and it rapidly increased the use of 423 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: automation at these fast food restaurants and in increased prices, 424 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: so prices went up. Lots of jobs were lost, and 425 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: now automation has permanently taken away these jobs. According to 426 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: the study, employees have been impacted with fewer job opportunities, 427 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: reduced employee hours, elimination of over time, and new eligibility 428 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: challenges for healthcare and other benefits. Yeah, now they don't 429 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: work enough hours to qualify for healthcare. Automation such as 430 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: order kiosks, mobile apps, artificial intelligence drive through ordering systems 431 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: are being tested and implemented, and they're reducing labor requirements. 432 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: So the stupid unions that represent fast food workers, the 433 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: stupid unions just tossed a lot of their workers out 434 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: of work permanently, cost us more money and is made 435 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: as accelerated permanent changes in the industry, which they were 436 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: told was going to happen. But the union bribes politicians 437 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: like the rest of us breathe. So all the bribed 438 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: democrats in the legislature and Newsome took the money. They 439 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: didn't care what would happen. It's easy to say no, no, no, 440 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: everything's gonna be okay. I mean, literally thousands of jobs disappeared. 441 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: It checks you how evil the union is. They don't 442 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: give a rats ass about their workers' jobs. I don't 443 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,959 Speaker 1: know what they get out of this. But the locally 444 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: owned restaurants, the ones that were not subject to the bill. 445 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: You know, you have to be part of a franchise 446 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: to be subject to the bill. So the other restaurants 447 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: were affected because they were under pressure to raise wages 448 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: and increase prices because it raised the cost of labor 449 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: for everyone, and that hurt low income residents. They're the 450 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: ones who eat it, these joints. The most complete failure, 451 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: another newsome, total failure. All right, when we come back, 452 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk to Katie Grimes. How is it that, 453 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: after I don't know sixty seventy years, we just found 454 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: out Caesar Chavez was a child rapist? This is awfully peculiar. 455 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that with her when we come back. 456 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: Deborah Mark is live in the KFI twenty four hour 457 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: newsre In you've been listening to the John Cobelt Show podcast, 458 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: you can always hear the show live on KFI AM 459 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: six forty from three to six pm every Monday through Friday, 460 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app 461 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: KFI AM six four six. 462 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 3: More stimulating talk