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Speaker 1: and welcome x ray Vision the Cricket Podcast where we

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Speaker 1: but we got them. We're talking to a superstar Godzilla

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Speaker 1: creators Rosie Knight and Oliver Ono, the creative team behind

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Speaker 1: Joining me now is the number one Comics Encyclopedia, the

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Speaker 1: number one Godzilla maven, Godzilla writer, Godzilla creator, the number

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Speaker 1: the one the only Rosie.

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Speaker 2: Hello, I'm feeling double juicy guest to co host, how

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Speaker 1: How have you been? You've been? I saw that you

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Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not a review reader. My anxiety is

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Speaker 1: You're doing exactly the right thing. Don't read the reviews.

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Speaker 1: the big news is Batgirl, among many other properties, has

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Speaker 2: I think that's really the BOMA like, and Warner Brothers

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Speaker 2: And I hope David Zaslav is not listening to this,

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Speaker 1: We should add too, that like streaming and it's been

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Speaker 1: an incredible run, like eight ten year run of just

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Speaker 1: like spending as various streaming platforms have looked to stock

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Speaker 1: the shelves in order to draw consumers in and that

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Speaker 1: surely that era is over. Netflix, of course, famously took

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Speaker 1: a major hit in recent months with their stock dropping

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Speaker 1: and for the first time ever, subscribers leaving the platform.

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Speaker 1: CNN Plus was launched and then died like later that

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Speaker 1: same afternoon after it was launched. David again, Yeah, not

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Speaker 1: to mention the fact that, you know, with Russian sanctions,

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Speaker 1: the war in Ukraine, uh uh, China increasingly like at

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Speaker 1: odds with with with the West, there's a fragmentation in

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Speaker 1: the content, kind of pool of money happening now. Uh

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Speaker 1: And so it seems like everybody is just getting getting

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Speaker 1: ready for a write down and we're in it now.

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Speaker 1: Uh Yeah. So hopefully again the people who lose their

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Speaker 1: jobs managed to manage to get by. It's going to

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Speaker 1: really suck. Nobody wants to see that, and we will

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Speaker 1: see what happens next, Rosie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, next week is gonna be an interesting follow It's

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Speaker 2: gonna be a really really interesting week up next the airlock.

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Speaker 1: We're stepping out of the air into the dirty, grimy,

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Speaker 1: crime ridden, blood streaked streets filled with pregnant rats and

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Speaker 1: haunted crosswalks. I'm talking about Gotham City, folks, to talk

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Speaker 1: about Season three of Harley Quinn out now on HBO Max.

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Speaker 1: And then we're gonna.

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Speaker 4: Get into the nineteen eighties and the nineteen presence the

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Speaker 4: two to the twenty presents to talk about Amazon's adaptation

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Speaker 4: of Brian Cavon and Cliff Chang's Paper Girls for stuff

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Speaker 4: Harley Quinn. We're gonna and we're gonna talk in a

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Speaker 4: more like deep divy fashion about both of these things

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Speaker 4: later on in the weeks to come, but we just

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Speaker 4: wanted to touch on them now since they're good it, Storry,

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Speaker 4: Let's start with with Harley Quinn. Course, created by Paul

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Speaker 4: Dinny and Bruce tim for Batman, the animated series, one

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Speaker 4: of the most notable for animation crossovers to the comics,

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Speaker 4: and certainly I think you could say the most successful, right,

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Speaker 4: the most successful version.

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Speaker 2: Of that, no question. There was a time when DC

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Speaker 2: began to call Harley the Fourth Pillar, Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman,

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Speaker 2: Harlequin because that comic was selling that many numbers especially

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Speaker 2: around the Amanda Connor Jimmy Palmiotti era where she was

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Speaker 2: kind of reimagined as this more like it had more agency,

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Speaker 2: kind of comedic badass, a lot more actually similar to

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Speaker 2: the animated series, kind of taking her back to those roots,

479
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Speaker 2: and to see the show now which kind of explodes

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Speaker 2: that and just brings her back to animation but has

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Speaker 2: probably made her audience even wider. Is so cool.

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Speaker 1: So season three, just to kind of level set where

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Speaker 1: are we, Harley has broken up with the Joker. She

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Speaker 1: is now in the early stages of a relationship with

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Speaker 1: Poison Ivy. They're both figuring out what that means for

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Speaker 1: each other. Why Jim Gordon is running for Mayor of Gotham.

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Speaker 1: That's going, you know, about as well as you would

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Speaker 1: expect for that version of Jim Gordon. And in the

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Speaker 1: most recent episode, this is coming out Friday, so there'll

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Speaker 1: be Episode four will be out by the time you

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Speaker 1: get this, but we're up to episode three at the

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Speaker 1: time of this recording. At the time of this recording,

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Speaker 1: the villains of Gotham City have had gotten together and

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Speaker 1: had their annual Villain Awards, which was just delightfully good fun.

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Speaker 1: The return of the joker. This show just one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite things on TV right now, and I really

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Speaker 1: think that it might have not just like the most

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Speaker 1: jokes per minute of any show right now, but I

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Speaker 1: think it might have the most jokes permitted, like in

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Speaker 1: the top five of jokes per minute of shows all time.

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Speaker 1: It's just like joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, you can't

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Speaker 1: stop with the jokes.

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Speaker 2: And this I love to see a show like this.

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Speaker 2: It kind of reminds me a little bit of The

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Speaker 2: Boys in This Set, which is a show that has

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Speaker 2: always been a meta text on comics and comic book

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Speaker 2: movies and superheroes. But this season they just don't give

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Speaker 2: a fuck, like they are satirizing everything. I mean, the Villies,

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Speaker 2: the award show that we saw it was all just

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Speaker 2: about the scandals in award ceremonies that have happened recently

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Speaker 2: in real life history, and the bribes and all that

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Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And then you know the level of

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Speaker 2: jokes that can be a throwaway quip that's just hilarious

514
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Speaker 2: to a really in depth bit. There's a joke in

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Speaker 2: the first episode that's probably my favorite joke of the

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Speaker 2: whole every season, and I've watched all the seasons. I

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Speaker 2: covered the first two really extensively. I got to speak

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Speaker 2: to Justin Halpen and Patrick Schumacker at Sandy Pompon about

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Speaker 2: this season.

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Speaker 1: Delightful gentlemen, just really great guys.

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Speaker 2: And there's a joke in the first episode that sums

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Speaker 2: up what this show does so well to me, which

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Speaker 2: is it's essentially a rude Goldberg joke of somebody doing

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Speaker 2: a small action that ends up killing someone. And that's

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Speaker 2: all I'll say, because that you don't need to know that.

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Speaker 2: But within that moment, they do an entire one minute

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Speaker 2: origin story of doing Batman's origin but for a mouse,

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Speaker 2: and they do the whole thing, and the mouse is

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Speaker 2: fancy and Martha's wearing the pearls and it is so

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Speaker 2: funny and so good. And when I spoke to them

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Speaker 2: for Den of Geek at San Diego and they did

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Speaker 2: confirm to me that that does mean that there is

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Speaker 2: a mouse version of Batman, who I believe they call

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Speaker 2: rap bat or bat Rap, and so that he will appear.

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Speaker 2: That is canon and that kind of level of love

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Speaker 2: for the stuff that they're the source material that they're

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Speaker 2: taking from, but also an irreverence where they're not afraid

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Speaker 2: to be silly or have fun with it. That sums

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Speaker 2: up to me what Harley does so well, but it

540
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Speaker 2: also innately understands the characters.

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Speaker 1: Like the first two seasons absolutely true. That was so.

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Speaker 2: Deeply about the reality of Harley's relationship with Joker and

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Speaker 2: the abusive relationship, which is something that comic book fans

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Speaker 2: have talked about for a long time and it really

545
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: took time to work through that. And the best thing is, like,

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Speaker 2: this season begins in this honeymoon phase and there's really

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Speaker 2: fun bit where they're in their Fortress of Solitude and

548
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Speaker 2: they've broken there and they're like on their honeymoon, But

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Speaker 2: the actual season is not just like, hey, they're together now,

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Speaker 2: this is so easy. And even though the creators did

551
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Speaker 2: say and I love this, and they say it in

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Speaker 2: every interview under their watch, they're ever going to break up.

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Speaker 2: This is the end game relationship, but it's not actually easy.

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Speaker 2: And while you're getting all these outrageous gross out jokes

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Speaker 2: James Gun's in a vibrating clay face chair playing himself,

556
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Speaker 2: Bob Billy Bob Thorn is playing Thomas Wayne like, you're

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Speaker 2: also getting this really deep exploration of can Harley even

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Speaker 2: be in a good relationship, Like she doesn't know how

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Speaker 2: to do it. She over promises she doesn't know how

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Speaker 2: to not be an appendage, and I the balance is

561
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Speaker 2: so good because it's also just this really crude, gross

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Speaker 2: out of animation show, but it has these lays to

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Speaker 2: it that make it feel.

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Speaker 1: Really there's a thing that it does to build off

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Speaker 1: your point, the way that it acknowledges the lore and

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Speaker 1: history of Gotham and these characters. So there was like

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Speaker 1: a viral kind of tweet response thread going around, you know,

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Speaker 1: a month or so ago that was basically like, you know,

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Speaker 1: rent and Gotham is three hundred dollars a month, what

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Speaker 1: would you say if you pay?

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Speaker 5: They o?

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Speaker 1: That kind of thing, and that that's what this show

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Speaker 1: is like. It it attacks h the reality of living

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Speaker 1: in a city in which, legitimately, like crime is everywhere,

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Speaker 1: you could be decayed, everyone is a famous criminal, the

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Speaker 1: crosswalks are legitimately haunted, there's toxic acids, fludge and the

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Speaker 1: sewers running through and how do you how do you

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Speaker 1: live here? And and it does all of these callbacks

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Speaker 1: to the history and reality of these characters and places

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Speaker 1: in really fun ways. In episode two, as Harley and

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Speaker 1: Ivy are like trying to figure out what their relationship is,

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Speaker 1: like do they like each other or how do they

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Speaker 1: spend time? You know, they're obviously attracted to each other

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Speaker 1: and there's feeling there, but what does that mean when

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Speaker 1: you have to spend time with a person? Like what's

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Speaker 1: a relationship?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 1: So Ivy is talking about like they go to Ivy's

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Speaker 1: like Eden Jungle in Gotham that's only like an Acre.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the many times she has tried to

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Speaker 1: create like a paradise on Earth, and she tried to

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Speaker 1: do it, and she's complaining about it. She's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to transform everything, but I only it only

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Speaker 1: was an Acre and I should have done this and

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Speaker 1: I should have put more plants here and like, and

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Speaker 1: Harley's like, no, this is awesome. What are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: This is so cool you did. This is one of

598
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Speaker 1: the coolest jung I've ever seen. But then, of course,

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00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: like they're hanging out there for a while and Ivy

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Speaker 1: gets really into it. She's like looking at her plans,

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Speaker 1: She's pointing out all the different like flowers around, and

602
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: then Harley gets just insanely bored after like one minute

603
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Speaker 1: without her phone, and and you're like, wait, wait a second,

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Speaker 1: like will this relationship work. It's that it's using the

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Speaker 1: history of these characters and the things that they've done

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00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: on their own and the comics, the different schemes that

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00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: they've had as kind of fodder and stories for like

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00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: the way a pair a couple would actually bond, would

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Speaker 1: actually like tell each other about certain things about themselves,

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00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: and then twisting it so that because you realize, yeah,

611
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: like Harley would be just fucking bored hanging out of

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Speaker 1: the jungle all the time. She wants to like legitimately

613
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: like smash someone's skull in and steal like a diamond

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Speaker 1: encrusted dinosaur bone. That's what she wants, That's what she

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Speaker 1: would love to do, while Ivy is out here being

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Speaker 1: like this incredible like rare man eating plant that I made.

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00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: And it's stuff like that just makes this show so

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Speaker 1: much fun. On top of like the joke after joke

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Speaker 1: after joke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you love like we always love to

621
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Speaker 2: talk about deep cut comic book stuff. I mean, this

622
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: is the kind of show where you're gonna see characters

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Speaker 2: that you'll probably never see adapted ever again, like literally

624
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: ever again. You are gonna get to see some of

625
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 2: the weirdest, most deep cut characters, and this season it

626
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: does that really well at the Villas, but they also

627
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: one of my favorite things is in episode two when

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00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 2: so it starts off and it looks like a classic

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Speaker 2: like DC animated movie, and it's Nightwing, who's played by

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Speaker 2: the amazing Harvey gienn who I just love so much

631
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Speaker 2: from what we do in the Shadows, and he's so

632
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: good at doing the voice and he's doing like he's like,

633
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: my city needs me, it needs a hero, and Harlie's like,

634
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Speaker 2: anyone want to switch seats, And it's just like they

635
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 2: understand the nature of the severity of the Bat family

636
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: and the seriousness. And there's this great bit where they

637
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: go in he goes back home and he's like, father,

638
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: you know, I'm I'm your equal now you don't you know?

639
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: There's no more Robin. It's just Nightwing And then like

640
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: Batgiral turns up and then Damian Wayne turns up and

641
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: everyone and he's just like, oh fuck like and it's

642
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: so funny and they understand the relationships and the characters

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00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: so well that it becomes just that much more enjoyable.

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00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, every joke is built on something essential about these characters.

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00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: Like later on night Wing after he is failed in

646
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Speaker 1: a thing, is just like absolutely beating himself up stupid

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Speaker 1: so dope, he's like budging himself with it, like dup.

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Speaker 6: You're idiot.

649
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Speaker 1: Why did you think he could do this?

650
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: Dubby?

651
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: It's like it is so great. I mean this Jim

652
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: Gordon is like a it's like a coffee addict, constantly disheveled,

653
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: like borderline fascist cop who is basically using much like

654
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: the real world, like a war on crime as a

655
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: way to bolster his chances of winning mayor. Meanwhile, everybody

656
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: is pointing out to him, hey, dude, like criminals run

657
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 1: this fucking city. Everyone's escaping from jail slash fucking Arkham

658
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: all the time. What are you taught? Like this war

659
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: on crime is not a success dude. And all that

660
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: kind of stuff is just it's wonderful.

661
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: It's really well woven in the kind of political conversations

662
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: that make us all tick that we always want to

663
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: have about Gotham and how it works and how it's

664
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Speaker 2: analogous to the real world, but also with like hilarious jokes.

665
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Speaker 1: How much would you What do you think rent in

666
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: Gotham isoud you? Oh no, I think let's say a

667
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: one bedroom, a one bedroom apartment by the by the water.

668
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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 1: By the docs.

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Speaker 2: I think that it's probably actually secretly expensive, like a

671
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: thousand dollars because it's slightly gentrified, because it's like close

672
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: to weiygne manner or some shit like. That's the reality.

673
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: There will be areas of Gotham where it's fifty dollars

674
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: and literally you can't get home insurance. You can't get

675
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 2: an apartment insurance because you can't get Batman is constantly

676
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: throwing missiles through your window.

677
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: It's not good about it.

678
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: It's by Baine every week is And no matter what

679
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: you do, you're calling up the insurance and Jester and

680
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: they're like, tell us your what's your zip code?

681
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 7: And they put it down.

682
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, not happening. Call up Jim Gordon. He's like, you

683
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: want to file an incident report, like yeah, join the queue.

684
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 2: Like you're never getting an insurance, you're never nothing. And

685
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 2: and there's I think that there's gonna be the areas

686
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: have got them that are gentrified, because that's the nature

687
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 2: of those kind of places, especially when there's a billionaire family.

688
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: But I think you're going to have those fifty dollars

689
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: one hundred dollar rents that are a myth in the

690
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Speaker 2: real world.

691
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Speaker 1: And let's say it's place close to terrible. Let's say

692
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Speaker 1: you live like on the way to Arkham Studio apartment

693
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Speaker 1: is in the vicinity of Arkham, and like the Riddler

694
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: definitely had a headquarters in the building at once.

695
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Speaker 2: Okay, so it's one hundred and fifty dollars the first

696
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 2: month and free afterwards because your landlord gets killed by

697
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Speaker 2: the Riddler. So then it's just like the checks start

698
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: coming back and you're like.

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Speaker 6: Oh, okay, I guess, I guess I live here for

700
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 6: free now. And I love that aspect of it because

701
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,959
Speaker 6: again it's that thing that we love so much, which

702
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 6: is having being in conversation with the fans. Yeah, like

703
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 6: some of my favorite I've seen so many hilarious TikTok videos,

704
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 6: especially in the MCU of like pretending that you like

705
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 6: work for car insurance in in like the MCU's New

706
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 6: York and it's just like you would hate the Avengers

707
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 6: if they were real, you would hate them absolutely hate

708
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 6: Your house doesn't exist anymore smashed your kid.

709
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, what the fuck? And we should add that

710
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: there's the the the ongoing James Gunn cameo.

711
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 7: Yes, okay, so this is talking about James Okay, so

712
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 7: this is so good.

713
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: Multiple episodes.

714
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: So James Gunn is playing himself and this is so good.

715
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: I spoke to them. I spoke to the guys about

716
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: this San Diego as well. So basically, James guns playing

717
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: himself and he's decided that he is going to leave

718
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: the like popcorn madness behind. He wants to win an

719
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 2: award and to do that, he's going to make like

720
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: a Scorsese style aviator biopic of Thomas Wayne and his

721
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: rise and his ultimate demise.

722
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Speaker 1: You knows about it?

723
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And Batman is like very devastated, and

724
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: Billy Bob Thornton plays top himself playing Thomas Wayne, and

725
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 2: Clayface wants to be a part because he loves he

726
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: really wants to be an actor, and he gets an

727
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: unexpected role in the movie alongside James Gunn, and James

728
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 2: Gun's playing himself and it's very funny and it does

729
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: a really good job of expanding. It makes the meta

730
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: text even more textual because you're bringing in a real

731
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Speaker 2: world director into your fictional world to make a movie

732
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: that probably will get made at some point, and it

733
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: kind of continues the There's an ongoing joke in the

734
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: DC Animated universe, especially in Teen Titans Go specifically, which

735
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: is like the notion that everyone gets a movie before

736
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 2: Robin and it's like they even, you know, the car

737
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: gets a movie, and they're about to make an animated

738
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: TV kids series called bat Wheels, you know, the bat

739
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 2: belt gets a movie, Alfred gets a movie, Alfred got

740
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 2: a TV show, and you end up in this situation.

741
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: So Thomas Wayne getting this movie that everyone knows what's

742
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: gonna happened, which is he's going to die and his

743
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: kid's going to be crying. And yeah, it's very funny,

744
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: and I'm very excited to see how in they go

745
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: because the creative team was telling me that that was

746
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: always they always wanted it to cumulate in this Thomas

747
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 2: Wayne biopic. That's kind of a big part of where

748
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: the series is going. So I'll be very excited. Especially

749
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: it seems very interested like the latest season of Barry

750
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: was as well in not just decimating and satirizing the

751
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: superhero genre, but how Hollywood interacts with it, So I'll

752
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: be very interested to kind of see that aspect of

753
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 2: the satire going forward.

754
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: Well, if you want something funny and fast and you're

755
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: a comic book fan, don't miss Harley Quinn. It's great.

756
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: The third season just started. You've got two seasons to

757
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: run into it. It's it's really heartfelt and it's actually

758
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: like actually great to watch Harley just like Jettison the

759
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: joker from her life for everything that's happened, it's great.

760
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and lake lake Bell is so good as

761
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: Poison Ivy.

762
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: She's great. She brings a real, like weird gravitass to

763
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: the role, like.

764
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 2: Sad, sarcastic gravitas, Like you just want to I want

765
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: to see she to a real screen.

766
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: Here's what's crazy about it about lake Bell's performance and

767
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: about Poison Ivy in this show. You're like, wait a second,

768
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: I get it. Poison Ivy. You know, Okay, she's like

769
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 1: has putting Eden serum in stuff, and and she's gonna,

770
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: you know, have plants repopulate the world. But also like

771
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: we kind of need someone to do that.

772
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: Like Gey has always been right, She's one of them.

773
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 4: She's legitimately right, like she's about what needs to happen.

774
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: She wants to take out billionas and grow some plants.

775
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, sounds I love it.

776
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: Sounds great. Uh yeah. Please watch Harley Quinn on Box

777
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: Up Next Girls. This is the adaptation of the Brian

778
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: Kavon and Cliff Chang property, which first started publishing in

779
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, following the exploits of four young newspaper delivery

780
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: girls who after Halloween nineteen eighty eight, go through time

781
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: warp and end up in the middle of an interdimensional

782
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: time war in which they meet future versions of themselves.

783
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: We are on episode three right now, and I think

784
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 1: which I think is actually the strongest episode of the season.

785
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: I think it starts a little meditative and a little slower,

786
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: but I'm willing to stick with it. And I've first

787
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: of all, it looks great, like it looks amazing, It

788
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: looks this is exactly how you would have wanted. I

789
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: know this is comic book to be adapted.

790
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 2: This is the first time that I've really seen the vision.

791
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: I remember when thor Ragnrock came out right and Tai

792
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: Kawai Titi talked a lot about bringing Jack Kirby's visual

793
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: aesthetic to the movie, and it did that so much

794
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: more than any Marvel movie up until that point, especially

795
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: with the patterns. But this movie is the closest I've seen,

796
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 2: especially in the color palette. Matt Wilson does the color's

797
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: eyes and the winning Matt Wilson colorist of Paper Girls,

798
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: and they literally lifted those pages. And they in their

799
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: narrative reasons for there to be pink lighting and yellow

800
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: lighting and blue lighting in different ways. That light and

801
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: color are used throughout the show. And yeah, I will

802
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: say it's very slow burn. I think that something that

803
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 2: we talked about before on a previous episode was how

804
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: does a show like this it's based on a comic

805
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: that predates Stranger Things, but has a lot in common

806
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 2: with Stranger Things, which is now very well known, how

807
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: does it craft a show that has a predominant air

808
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: of nostalgia just from having a section of the story

809
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: being based in the eighties. They actually, really there's not

810
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: really any similarities to Strangers Nice. They reject that. Brian

811
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: Cavewan actually did a said a quote about rejecting nostalgia.

812
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: And I think the idea of this show is the

813
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 2: rea to show the reality of what it was like

814
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: to live in the eighties, not the kind of trappings

815
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 2: of the eighties, and then putting them into the modern day,

816
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 2: which for me is some of the funnest stuff is

817
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: get the kids are so amazing who play the four

818
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 2: girls as well. That's that's one of the biggest selling

819
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: points of the show. But like getting to see them

820
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: interact with like new technology is really fun that you

821
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 2: really believe that they've never seen like.

822
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: A you can you can get all the information in

823
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: the whole world, like on this computer.

824
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: You serious your phone is a camera that's also a

825
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: video camera that you could make a movie on. You're

826
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 2: just like, what the fun?

827
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: There's certain there are certain tonal things that are just

828
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: at The Bear has been a hot topic for people

829
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: who love TV and watching TV of late and I

830
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: love the Bear. I thought it was mad.

831
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 2: That was so good. It made me so happy. I

832
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: don't work in restaurants anymore, I know.

833
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: But the thing, this is just a thing about me.

834
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: One of a thing that is hard for me to

835
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: get into is people arguing all the fucking time. Like

836
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: I like a rope episode, Like I like a like

837
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: a cut down, like succession level like fucked you and

838
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: then you walk off or you call somebody a really

839
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 1: crazy uh you know, uh, some kind of like really

840
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: really crazy insult. But when people are like around each

841
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: other constantly screaming at each other and arguing, my react.

842
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: And this is just because, like I am a person

843
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: who like shies from vicious arguments. My internal instinct is like,

844
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: just fucking leave, just go away. Like when I'm watching

845
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: The Bear, I'm like, fire your fucking cousin, Like, who

846
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: can like enough with this fucking guy. I get it.

847
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: You love your family, you want to do well by them, YadA, YadA, YadA.

848
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: But at a certain point, it's just like get the

849
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: fuck out if you don't like it, Like, at a

850
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: certain point, don't you have to do that? And so

851
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 1: there's some art, like when when Aaron meets future Erin

852
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: in episode two and they spend a lot of time

853
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: there and they're just like going back and forth. Ever,

854
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: young Aeron is like, you're such a loser. Look at

855
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: how your life has failed. This is what you do.

856
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: I thought you'd have a better thing. And then future

857
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: Erin is like, Okay, well you think I'm such a

858
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: quitter and I'm such a loser. The reason I'm a

859
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: quitter is because you quit. You are one day at

860
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: your fucking newspaper job. So how about that? And it's like,

861
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. If twelve year old me

862
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: shows up at my house and starts ripping on me,

863
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm throwing that motherfucker out of the house. I don't

864
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Speaker 1: I'm by you don't like it. You don't like me

865
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Speaker 1: trying to save your ass in the future. You have

866
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Speaker 1: no idea what's going on here. You've come to me

867
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Speaker 1: with this weird fucking device. You don't even know what

868
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: it does. Get out. You don't like it, Get the

869
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: fuck out.

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00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: I'm having a sleepover in my house with your child friends.

871
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: I know. But but episode three Mackenzie Uh. First of all,

872
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Speaker 1: I love the fact that the character designed for I

873
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: don't know if I picked I guess I didn't pick

874
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Speaker 1: this up specifically in the comics right, but played by

875
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: Sophia Razinski, one of really really great performance. But like

876
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: the haircut, the outfit is Edward Furlong from Terminator to

877
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Speaker 1: I Know do.

878
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 7: I keept thinking every time I watched this show, I'm like,

879
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 7: they could have if you know what is they don't

880
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 7: have the public Enemy shot.

881
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: If you.

882
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 2: Would have known, you would have been like, that is it?

883
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: And it's like blowing my mind that the hair, the

884
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: flannel is perfect. And in episode three there is a

885
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: really great like stretch where mcmack meets her brother from

886
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: the future after seeking out that you know, they're seeking

887
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: out their future selves, their future parents, their future just

888
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: to figure out like what's going on after kind of

889
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: breaking with future erin and Mac has been looking for

890
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: her house. She finds that it's destroyed and then googles

891
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: her brother and realizes that weirdly, he's become a doctor,

892
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: which is shocking to her an er doctor, and she

893
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: goes to see him and it is so well done

894
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: and really hits. She finds out spoiler that she's twelve thirteen.

895
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: She finds out that at age sixteen, she dies of

896
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: lymphoma and that is the thing that inspired her brother

897
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: to become a doctor. And it's these two characters who

898
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: you know, in Mac's memory didn't get along at all,

899
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: Like really, Mac doesn't seem to get along with anybody.

900
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: That's another whole nother story, but like really we're at odds.

901
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: But they found through this tragedy of losing his sister,

902
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: Max's brother finds his calling, and they're able to weirdly

903
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: bond over this familial love that they have for each

904
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: other that they have clearly never expressed, and it's really cool.

905
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: It's really cool.

906
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 2: I think that if I was going to say the

907
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: biggest difference from Stranger Things, aside from like one, they

908
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 2: do something very clever in the show to differentiate it

909
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 2: from that, which is, you know, kids on bikes, eighties

910
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 2: nostalgia things that you connect to the eighties. Basically in

911
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: the comics, the eighties is a bigger part of the comics,

912
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 2: but here you're just in the future, right. But something

913
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: that I think is very different from Stranger Things is

914
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 2: this is an incredibly philosophical show, Like it's all about

915
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 2: this idea of like, what do you do with your life?

916
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: How would your child you look at you, how would

917
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: your family see you? What would you do if you

918
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 2: could see yourself as a kid, How would you change things?

919
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: Is very very existential in that way, and I think

920
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: that might be another aspect of the slow burned feeling,

921
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: because it's incredibly focused on character and character journeys and

922
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: what those character journeys mean going forward and in this

923
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 2: world where well, not only are you in the future,

924
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: but time travel exists. There's an intergalactic civil war going on,

925
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 2: and you have somehow broken some kind of time law

926
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: just by not dying in the past.

927
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Speaker 1: Really excited to check in with this show over the

928
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Speaker 1: coming weeks. Up next Hive Mind. Welcome to the Hive Mind,

929
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: where we explore topic in more detail with the help

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Speaker 1: of expert guests. And this week it was tough to

931
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: get them, but we got them. We are thrilled to

932
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: have the one and only Rosie Knight and her collaborator,

933
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Speaker 1: artist Olive Roona, just us their work on the one

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Speaker 1: shot Godzilla comic Godzilla Versus Batra h Oliver, Rosie, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the program.

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Speaker 2: H chused to be here?

937
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Speaker 1: How did this? How did this project come up? Come about?

938
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Speaker 2: So? I I was asked to pitch on Godzilla by

939
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Speaker 2: our wonderful editor Jazz Joiner I d w and I

940
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: came up with a pitch and the pitch was approved,

941
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 2: and then Jazz said, oh, are there any artists that

942
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Speaker 2: you would like to work with? And I put together

943
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Speaker 2: a list and Oliver was number one, and Jazz loved

944
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Speaker 2: Oliver's work as well, and I followed Oliver on Instagram.

945
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: That was how I knew his amazing work, and then

946
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 2: Jazz said yes, and then we made the comic.

947
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Speaker 1: It was.

948
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Speaker 2: It was.

949
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 7: It was surprisingly streamlined, but we reached out to all

950
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Speaker 7: I read. Jazz emailed Oliver and said, hey, do you

951
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 7: want to draw a Godzilla.

952
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Speaker 8: Came yeah, yeah, it was. It was a crazy, crazy

953
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Speaker 8: time on my end. Yeah, for sure, completely just kind

954
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Speaker 8: of cold called. So happy to be a part of it.

955
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Speaker 1: Though, Rosie, what is your relationship to Godzilla?

956
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Speaker 2: I'm a Godzilla lover. I've always loved Godzilla. I didn't

957
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Speaker 2: get to watch a lot of the movies, the later movies,

958
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Speaker 2: especially until I was more of an adult, but as

959
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 2: a kid, the older ones, you get to watch them

960
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: in England and they would have some in the video store.

961
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Speaker 2: I love monsters. I really like weird, old B movie stuff,

962
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: so especially the sixties Godzilla with Baby Godzilla, those were

963
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Speaker 2: things that I just never could imagine that I would

964
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 2: have been a part of telling this story. And even

965
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Speaker 2: though I kind of like the wacky stuff, the origins

966
00:55:55,520 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 2: of Godzilla are so serious and and huge that that

967
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Speaker 2: was why with this story, I really wanted to make

968
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Speaker 2: sure that I was doing that justice and in a

969
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: space where we could tell a story that had the

970
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: ecological bent, that had that emotional bent, and Oliver was

971
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: definitely absolutely the right person to to tell it with me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oliver, I would describe your style as like dystopian tech,

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00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: but like lived in cool, like cool hazmat suits for

974
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 1: a destroyed ecological future.

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Speaker 9: Yes, pretty much.

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Speaker 4: Hit it.

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Speaker 1: Tell us, Yeah, tell us about your your collaboration. How

978
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: does it, how did it, how was it and how

979
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: did it working with Rosie on this?

980
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, you know, when it came down to, uh,

981
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 8: like how it was kind of pitched to me, it

982
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 8: was you know, I like I like Godzilla a lot.

983
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 8: Obviously I'm half Japanese as well, so like there's all

984
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 8: kinds of like that that kind of like history. If

985
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 8: my father was there to see it, like, it would

986
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 8: have been so cool to you know, because that's the

987
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Speaker 8: that's the kind of stuff that he would have watched

988
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 8: like growing up, you know, you know, in the original format.

989
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 8: But on my end, yeah, it was it was really

990
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 8: just kind of like such a treat to kind of

991
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 8: come to it from that angle, and Rosy luckily facilitated

992
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 8: kind of adding in some of these like robots and

993
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 8: kind of that flavor that I had been putting out

994
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,959
Speaker 8: there for a while, and how she kind of found

995
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 8: me on Instagram. Yeah, so it was so cool to

996
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 8: kind of have this like iconic set of characters but

997
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Speaker 8: also still kind of fit into what I would consider

998
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 8: like my normal wheelhouse.

999
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 9: So it's a very natural flow.

1000
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: Something that's really cool about this this line is like

1001
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 2: they are original. Even though we're using monsters that are

1002
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 2: from these iconic movies and these franchises, the stories need

1003
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 2: to be stand alone. So it was very easy. I

1004
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 2: love Oliver's art. In anytime that I do a comic

1005
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Speaker 2: with anyone, I always want to make sure the artists

1006
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 2: is drawing stuff they want to draw. So as soon

1007
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 2: as Oliver said yes, I was like, okay, well now

1008
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: it's a world like you said, Jason, where it's this

1009
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: ecologically damaged world, which there was always an element of that,

1010
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 2: but I was like, and there's loads of mech, but

1011
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to have the mech fight Godzilla, so

1012
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: instead they're just like a mech that helps someone in

1013
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 2: a bookshop, or like a mech that does fishing. So yeah,

1014
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: I thought that was that was just that was natural

1015
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 2: to me, and it made the book so much cooler

1016
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 2: and the world of the book feel a lot more.

1017
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: I understood it a lot more as soon as I

1018
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,479
Speaker 2: knew Oliver would be drawing it.

1019
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: For the give us a like synopsis of the story.

1020
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: What's the elevator pitch on Godzilla Rivals Godzilla Versus Patra, I'd.

1021
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 2: Say it's like Godzilla makes Studio Ghibli. That is kind

1022
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 2: of the aesthetic world.

1023
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you hit that, you absolutely hit that, Like

1024
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: that is absolutely the texture of this.

1025
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: I even made sure that there was you know, there's

1026
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 2: a there's an entire there's an entire page that I

1027
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Speaker 2: never thought we would get to make, and the IDW

1028
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 2: just loved it, and Jazz was so cool about it

1029
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 2: and totally got the vision. But the there's an entire

1030
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 2: page that's just cooking because I wanted to bring that

1031
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: Ghibli vibe to it. But yeah, if you want to

1032
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 2: know that, this is the official what we call a solicit,

1033
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 2: which is how they order it, which is very similar

1034
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: to my original pitch. So quiet beachside town ravaged by

1035
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 2: constant sewage spillages and toxic waste dumps. Something is stirring

1036
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: deep under the rolling hills that surround Hackney on sea.

1037
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 2: There's no sea in Hackney, but that's where I come from.

1038
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, let's just go for it.

1039
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 2: Rick Batterer is awakening, driven out by a single goal

1040
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 2: to destroy mankind and save planet Earth. The only thing

1041
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 2: that can stop them on for his Godzilla, but he

1042
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 2: hasn't been seen in decades and has never ventured into

1043
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 2: the cold shores of the English coast until now. Robbie

1044
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 2: runs a small bookshop, but her real passion is monster.

1045
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: She spent years researching the myth of Godzilla and his

1046
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 2: fearsome foes. Now that hypothetical experience is going to become

1047
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 2: a life saving tool. Can Robbie locate Godzilla? Will Godzilla

1048
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 2: be enough to defeat Batra? Is bat wrong? And will

1049
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 2: the goddess Motha make an appearance? You will have to

1050
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: read it to find out. So that's like the audio

1051
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 2: book description, And it was just I was really inspired

1052
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 2: by where I live in La on the coast, Like

1053
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 2: even though me and Oliver, it just so turned out

1054
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 2: this was one of those really great universe kind of things.

1055
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: Oliver actually knew the British coastline really well, so it

1056
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 2: ended up being actually quite easy for us to envision

1057
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 2: the world. But I'd actually been inspired originally when I

1058
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 2: was thinking about ecological aspects of this story. In La

1059
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 2: pretty much every beach, especially in any working down or

1060
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: working class area, is just constantly having sewage dumped on

1061
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 2: it and sewage spills, and I was like, it'd be

1062
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: really cool if Godzilla came and just was like, not

1063
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 2: cool about that, And I was like, hey, just stop that.

1064
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 2: So that was kind of the real world inspiration that

1065
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 2: then made it into our version of this story.

1066
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: I love talking to people who do creative stuff for

1067
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: a living, because, first of all, it's such a great way.

1068
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of like the ideal for a lot

1069
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: of people. I think when you're a kid and you

1070
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: read comics or you watch movies or whatever, you're like, Wow,

1071
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: how do I do stuff that's fun for a living? Oliver,

1072
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: what is it? How do you? What was what was

1073
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: the moment where you were like, I'm drawing. I'm a kid,

1074
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: I want to keep drawing, and I want to I

1075
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: just want to keep doing it and not stop. And

1076
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: then what's it? Like? Like, how do you how do

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Speaker 1: you grind out a living as a working illustrator for sure.

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Speaker 9: You know what's funny is like I still have some

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Speaker 9: drawings from when I was like three or four, and like,

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Speaker 9: strangely enough they are that was like keep in mind,

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Speaker 9: like I'm like born in ninety three, so that was

1082
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 9: like prime like like age for Pokemon when that came out,

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Speaker 9: So there's like all kinds of like Pokemon.

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Speaker 8: But then that eventually evolved into like literally me drawing

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Speaker 8: like just ginormous monsters as like a four year old,

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Speaker 8: So I have drawings of the same subject matter essentially

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Speaker 8: going back. It's really hard to say a lot of

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Speaker 8: the time it was you know, obviously like doing art

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01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 8: is kind of like an aspirational thing of course, but

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Speaker 8: it was also kind of like like I would I

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01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 8: used to draw things that I just like wanted, Like

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Speaker 8: if I saw like a toy and I wasn't allowed

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Speaker 8: to get it, I would draw it. So like from

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01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 8: a really young age, it was just kind of hammered

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Speaker 8: in that like you can like do the things you

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01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 8: want and have the things you want if you can

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Speaker 8: just kind of like draw them and then and then

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Speaker 8: that kind of does it, right. So yeah, I don't

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Speaker 8: know a specific time that I maybe made that decision.

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Speaker 8: It was always just kind of like what else am

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Speaker 8: I gonna do? Like, I honestly don't think that.

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Speaker 1: How did you how did you go about building a

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Speaker 1: career out of this?

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Speaker 9: True?

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Speaker 8: Well that is uh still kind of in the works,

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01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 8: uh in like the larger scale, it's always but yeah,

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Speaker 8: I honestly and I heard some really good advice recently

1108
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 8: from Danny Warre and Johnson. He mentioned something I think

1109
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 8: this is maybe like the best advice is like even

1110
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Speaker 8: if you're not getting paid for what you're doing, like keep.

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01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 9: Working at it like you're getting paid.

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Speaker 1: For.

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Speaker 8: For instance, the thing that I was working on for

1114
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 8: years and years and years, it was literally just like

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01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 8: boiled down to like what is the closest thing that

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Speaker 8: I could possibly do, to like what I would actually

1117
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 8: want to put out there, And then I just kept

1118
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Speaker 8: doing it as much as possible until you know, eventually

1119
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Speaker 8: things slowly started to pick up. But I really personally

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Speaker 8: didn't put out a lot of like feelers, you know,

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Speaker 8: I wasn't I wasn't pursuing things as much as kind

1122
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,439
Speaker 8: of just like if you build it, they will come

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Speaker 8: kind of a kind of mentality.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of you know, it's as a writer,

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01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: you spend a lot of time just writing stuff, hoping

1126
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Speaker 1: to get better, knowing that probably no one is ever

1127
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: going to read this, and this is just so you

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01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: can get better, And then you hope at a certain

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01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: point in time when you get an opportunity to work somewhere,

1130
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: you get hired as a reporter or a blogger or

1131
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: what have you, that now that you have that, you

1132
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: also have this huge archive of shit you've just been

1133
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: doing that you can then call upon, pull pieces out

1134
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Speaker 1: of and repurpose and have like this huge palette to

1135
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: work on, so and a thing that you can point

1136
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Speaker 1: to to say, hey, look, this is also what I do.

1137
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Speaker 1: Nobody's ever read this before. It is just stuff I have,

1138
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Speaker 1: and this is that you know. That's at least the

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Speaker 1: way I went about it, Rosie, How did how did you?

1140
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Speaker 1: People know you from here? People know you from your

1141
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: work at Nerdice and other places ign, But how long

1142
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: have you been like writing fiction, creating your own stuff?

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Speaker 2: I think it's like it's kind of like what you're

1144
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 2: both saying, which is you do it because you kind

1145
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 2: of have to, but not because you're you have to

1146
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 2: to get a job, because you have to because it's

1147
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 2: just like inside you and you need to draw it

1148
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 2: or you need to write it. And I've been writing

1149
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 2: ever since I was a kid. I was writing so

1150
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 2: many weird horror stories and like spooky things. I had

1151
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 2: a phase where I was doing poetry. And really it

1152
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 2: was only when I moved to America that I realized

1153
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 2: that there was a space to make a career as

1154
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 2: a writer, just by the notion of there being such

1155
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 2: a big This is such a big place and there's

1156
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 2: so many different you know. I was. I moved here

1157
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 2: like six or seven years ago, so it was really

1158
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 2: in the boom of like a lot of digital entertainment,

1159
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 2: blogging and stuff. And I started this is what I

1160
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 2: say to people at comics, what I say to people

1161
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Speaker 2: at anything. You just have to make it first, like

1162
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 2: if you want people say. I moderated a really cool

1163
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Speaker 2: panel with a bunch of people from DC and webtoon,

1164
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Speaker 2: and then afterwards, you know, this guy came up and

1165
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 2: he was like, how do I get into comics? Like

1166
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 2: how do I do it? And I was like, you

1167
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 2: just got to make a comic, man, That's like the

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01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 2: first thing. And it's the same with writing. I wrote

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Speaker 2: some pieces for free for Women Write about Comics now

1170
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Speaker 2: three time eyes and a winning Women Write about Comics.

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Speaker 2: One our third Eyes ander this year at the SDCC

1172
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Speaker 2: and I wrote a couple of pieces there that were

1173
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Speaker 2: just me riffing on some funny stuff that I thought

1174
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 2: was funny about comics. Or I did some critiques on

1175
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Speaker 2: you know, the dark comics of the nineteen eighty seven

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Speaker 2: and all this kind of stuff, and then I saw

1177
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Speaker 2: someone do a call out on Nerdict and I was like, oh, well,

1178
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 2: I have clips now that were published on a website.

1179
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Speaker 2: And that's how I ended up being able to become

1180
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Speaker 2: a pop culture writer and have this as my job,

1181
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Speaker 2: which is just like to talk about this stuff and

1182
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 2: write about it. But throughout that I've always also been

1183
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 2: writing my own stuff. I'm like, you, I have, you

1184
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Speaker 2: have the million pilots, the fifty comic book scripts, all

1185
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 2: of that stuff, because you never know when you're going

1186
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 2: to meet the person who's the best collaborator or the

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Speaker 2: person who really wants to see it. And I think

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01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 2: that that notion of just making it, whether you make

1189
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 2: it with your friends, whether you make it for yourself,

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Speaker 2: that's the best place to start because then when someone

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01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 2: comes to you and says, hey do you make something?

1192
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 2: You can be like, hey, I've already done it. Actually,

1193
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 2: like what do I do next to take it to

1194
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 2: the next level.

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Speaker 1: The thing that I think is a roadblock for a

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01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: lot of people as a roadblock for me and still

1197
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Speaker 1: is sometimes is you're absolutely right, you got to make

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Speaker 1: the thing. Like when people ask me what I want

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Speaker 1: to write stuff, what do I do? Well, just write

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01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 1: a piece and finish it and finish whatever you're doing.

1201
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: But that can be hard because the thing that happens

1202
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 1: to me is I'll write the thing and I'm like,

1203
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: this sucks so bad. Everybody ever sees this, I will

1204
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: fucking die. How do you get past that first draft first,

1205
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: whether it's the illustration or the first draft or the

1206
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 1: written piece, where you look at it and it sucks,

1207
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: because first drafts always like it always, the first thing

1208
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: is always bad, and then you make it better. But

1209
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 1: how do you get past the stumbling block of just like,

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01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: oh my god, this sucks so fucking bad. I don't

1211
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 1: want anybody to ever see this.

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Speaker 2: The one thing I had to really teach myself about

1213
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 2: both articles and now as I'm trying to do more

1214
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 2: long form fiction and pilots and stuff like that. One

1215
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 2: of the hardest things. One of the reasons that we

1216
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 2: do this to ourselves the most, I think is we

1217
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 2: self edit as we're writing, so it takes you like

1218
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 2: ten times longer. You just got to write the one

1219
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 2: bad one first, write the bad thing, and finish. That's

1220
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Speaker 2: why I do, and then you can go back and

1221
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 2: you can be like, this will be a little bit tighter.

1222
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 2: And definitely, as I've especially when it comes to journalism

1223
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 2: and comic book scripts, as I've gotten further into it,

1224
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 2: I'm I'm very now when I'm writing that first draft,

1225
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 2: I don't see those as much of a like I

1226
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 2: just need to finish it. I don't allow myself to

1227
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Speaker 2: edit too much, but I make sure that i'm very

1228
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Speaker 2: like detail oriented. Like the only thing you can be

1229
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 2: happy is like, are you happy that you put this

1230
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 2: out there? When you put it out there, will you

1231
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Speaker 2: be okay that it exists in a week or two

1232
01:09:58,040 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 2: weeks or a year. You're probably gonna hate it, because

1233
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 2: that's just nature of being a human. But can you

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01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 2: live with it in that moment and feel like it's

1235
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 2: the best version of whatever you're doing?

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01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:07,600
Speaker 1: You know?

1237
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 2: That's kind of all you can do. But yeah, just

1238
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 2: finishing it is the hardest thing. I still my personal projects,

1239
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 2: finishing it is so hard. Like when I'm being what

1240
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 2: is work and I have a deadline, I can do it.

1241
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 2: But if it's like my passion project that I think

1242
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 2: is really good some reason, the finishing is is the

1243
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 2: hardest part.

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Speaker 9: Well, you know, to add on to that, I do

1245
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 9: feel like.

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Speaker 8: One thing that really can help is even if you

1247
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 8: don't have like a deadline, like if you have if

1248
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 8: you do jump on with like collaborators or something like that,

1249
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 8: having some sort of community, whether that's like your like

1250
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:52,560
Speaker 8: discord or whatever, that can also kind of like keep you,

1251
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 8: you know, accountable for like yeah, you know, whatever the

1252
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 8: case mean, whether they're actually like working with you on

1253
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 8: the thing, or whether they're just invested in it. You know,

1254
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,560
Speaker 8: that's not like a monetary thing. But even at that point,

1255
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 8: I think that just having people know that you're.

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01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 9: Doing something helps to make you actually do it, you know.

1257
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of writing challenges and stuff like

1258
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 2: A thousand Words of Summer and Nani Remo and stuff,

1259
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 2: where that the reason that people have a lot of

1260
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,480
Speaker 2: success and end up writing fifty thousand words in November

1261
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,719
Speaker 2: or a thousand words every day throughout the summer months.

1262
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 2: Is because of that accountability, because you have a community

1263
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 2: and you get and you say I did do it today,

1264
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 2: I didn't do it today. I hope I'm going to

1265
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 2: do it today. And I think that is such a

1266
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 2: great point because a lot of us never really even

1267
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 2: thought of that. When you're an artist, it can be

1268
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,719
Speaker 2: like quite solitary. But actually finding that community and having

1269
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 2: people who are going to be like, oh, I'd love

1270
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 2: to read that, or like can you just check this

1271
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:55,799
Speaker 2: over for me? That is a really great feeling.

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Speaker 1: I could not agree more. Not to break into you're

1273
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:04,520
Speaker 1: the interview with Rosie and Oliver here. No, but I

1274
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, the something block often to showing people things

1275
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,799
Speaker 1: is again that fear of doing it. But the community

1276
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 1: aspect is really important. Has been important to me because

1277
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 1: you know, as a creator, you're often sitting around waiting

1278
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: for somebody to give you a job, or waiting for

1279
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: an editor or give you an assignment, or trying to

1280
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 1: convince your producer to let you try this thing, and

1281
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: a great way around that is to just find people

1282
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: who are in that same boat with you, on that

1283
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: same level. Trying to get their projects made and be like, hey,

1284
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: how can I help this person make their project while

1285
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 1: also moving my project forward? Like I want to do

1286
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 1: more work? Okay, how can I collaborate with you as

1287
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: an artist? How can I collaborate with you as a writer?

1288
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 1: I mean, we can figure out how to do something together.

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Speaker 1: And that has been a thing that I've found really helpful. One,

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Speaker 1: because everybody has their own goals, and if you can

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Speaker 1: help them with theirs, you'll often find that that will

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Speaker 1: be repaid in some way. And Two, it's just like

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Speaker 1: you find people that become your friends, whether or not

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Speaker 1: you end up doing anything. Like people want to be

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Speaker 1: around people that they like, and if you have a

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Speaker 1: friend group that's also very talented, guess what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: One of those friends is going to end up doing

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Speaker 1: something cool, and they're going to want to do it

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Speaker 1: with people who aren't strangers or who aren't extremely talented assholes,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, yeah, exactly, like you

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Speaker 1: can be as often as it's been often said to

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Speaker 1: me about like writer's rooms, it's like I would rather

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Speaker 1: work with somebody who's like an eight out of ten,

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Speaker 1: but not a jerk. Then work with somebody who's a

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Speaker 1: ten out of ten talent but a complete pain to

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Speaker 1: be around. So I agree with you, like finding that

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Speaker 1: community can be so important. I'm so glad that you

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Speaker 1: guys put this together to any other future projects, to pitch,

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Speaker 1: any other things to pitch bits of advice for people

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Speaker 1: who are listening right now that are like, man, I

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Speaker 1: want to create something, I want to do something, I

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Speaker 1: want to draw something, I don't write something. What can

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Speaker 1: you tell the people out there who would like to

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Speaker 1: do something like this as well?

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Speaker 2: I would say from the perspective of someone who for

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Speaker 2: the first time was in a position to pick a collaborator,

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Speaker 2: I literally found all of it because he just shared

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Speaker 2: his art and I thought it was really cool. So

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Speaker 2: I think like taking that step of sharing the work

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Speaker 2: that you're doing and putting yourself out there. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's how I ended up on this podcast, was just

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Speaker 2: by sharing my work and by writing about these things

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Speaker 2: I cared about and being passionate about the things that

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Speaker 2: I love. So I think that being brave enough to

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Speaker 2: like put it out there. And also I've seen a

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Speaker 2: great kindness in artistic communities, and there usually is a

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Speaker 2: real support of growth. So I think even if you're

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Speaker 2: someone whose art you feel like it's a bit rough

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Speaker 2: or it's not the version, I love to see my

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Speaker 2: friends art get better or to see them feel like

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Speaker 2: they're becoming more professional or whatever. So I just think

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Speaker 2: putting it out there, I think all of us thing

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Speaker 2: about community is so key. Also, that is a really

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Speaker 2: good way of practicing collaboration for the future. Like you said, Jason, like,

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Speaker 2: how do you want to interact if you get into

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Speaker 2: a writer's room or if you make a comic and

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Speaker 2: stuff to me, I always try and go into any

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Speaker 2: interaction like that with kindness about whether it's making the podcast,

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Speaker 2: whether it's making a comic, whether it's writing an article.

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Speaker 2: But I only learned that from doing other stuff with

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Speaker 2: other people, you know, and no, this is how I

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Speaker 2: want it to be. This is the way I want

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Speaker 2: things to be. So I think putting your art out there,

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Speaker 2: especially in the age of the Internet, I found all

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Speaker 2: of us aren't on Instagram, you know, not the best

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Speaker 2: platform for artists any more. People have a sadness about

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Speaker 2: that and the way it's gone. But you know, that's

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Speaker 2: how I found Oliver, and that wasn't that long ago.

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Speaker 1: Oliver Tips for anybody who wants to get into creative life.

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Speaker 1: They think they want to draw, they think they want

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Speaker 1: to write, What tips do you have for them to follow?

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Speaker 2: For sure?

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Speaker 8: I would say biggest thing is, you know, a lot

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Speaker 8: of the time, especially when you're looking at a lot

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Speaker 8: of these kind of like instructional like people taking advice

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Speaker 8: trying to people trying to give advice about like how

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Speaker 8: to do this exact thing, A lot of them kind

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Speaker 8: of tried to, you know, tell you to modify your

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Speaker 8: stuff to be more consumable in the you know, the

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Speaker 8: most honestly sometimes like generic sort of way, and like

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Speaker 8: the way that I work is like kind of super

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Speaker 8: not that like it's just not like what what most

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Speaker 8: people you know, think of when they think of like

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Speaker 8: a normal like comic book style or whatever the whatever

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Speaker 8: the case may be. And specifically doing that is what

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Speaker 8: has gotten me the farthest in my in my case,

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Speaker 8: so I think that, you know, trying to go with

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Speaker 8: the most wide reaching audience for whatever you want to

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Speaker 8: do creative creatively can sometimes make it so that you

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Speaker 8: end up working on like other people's projects as opposed

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Speaker 8: to being searched out for your project.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a really good idea and hilariously very

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Speaker 2: relevant to the podcast because for a long time, I'm

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Speaker 2: sure this is the same for Jason, but people will

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Speaker 2: be like, oh, well, nobody cares about comics. Who wants

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Speaker 2: to talk about comics? You know, And you keep talking

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Speaker 2: about comics, and you keep writing about comics, and you

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Speaker 2: keep loving comics, and then that is the most bankable

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Speaker 2: thing in the world and suddenly everyone's like, oh, actually

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Speaker 2: that thing that was niche is now no longer niche,

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Speaker 2: you know, and you you were true to loving it

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Speaker 2: the whole time, or designing it or doing something unique.

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Speaker 8: True, And that's exactly the same thing, you know when

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Speaker 8: I was like coming up in like you know, like

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Speaker 8: art school, like back in like what twenty twelve, twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 8: Like the big thing everybody was saying is, oh, well,

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Speaker 8: you know, don't draw, don't draw like manga, don't draw anime.

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Speaker 9: And it's like and now, like the domestic market for.

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Speaker 8: That is just like disgustingly large, and there are like

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Speaker 8: entire avenues of you know, people that are looking for

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Speaker 8: specifically that style of stuff and not that like my

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Speaker 8: stuff is I take direction from both ends of it.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, I would just say that, like when somebody

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Speaker 8: tries to, you know, tell you not to do something

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Speaker 8: a certain way, Obviously you've got to learn all your stuff,

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Speaker 8: getting good all of that, listen to your teachers whatever.

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Speaker 9: At the end of the day, you know, make what

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Speaker 9: you want to make.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's really good advice. And I think

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Speaker 2: about the manga thing a lot, because pretty much every

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Speaker 2: great comic book artist that I love, especially high profile

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Speaker 2: women in comics, got told that in art school, like

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Speaker 2: don't draw like manga, you'll never be successful, don't base

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Speaker 2: it on manga. And then of course these women are

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Speaker 2: like killing it in the game.

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Speaker 5: See.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a really good point. I like that notion.

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Speaker 2: Just be true to what you're doing, and if it's

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Speaker 2: weird and someone's like, that's too weird, then they're probably

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Speaker 2: just not the right person to collaborate with or to

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Speaker 2: get what you're doing. But you'll probably find that person.

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Speaker 9: That's there's a lot of people out there.

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Speaker 1: Anything coming up to plug Oliver and Rosie.

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Speaker 2: We're doing a signing or it will be tomorrow. When

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Speaker 2: you listen to this podcast, Saturday Pulp Fiction in Long Beach,

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Speaker 2: there's two pulp Fictions. This is at the Long Beach one.

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Speaker 2: We will be there. Mark Martinez, who drew the cover

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Speaker 2: of our Bee cover, will be there, and a ton

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Speaker 2: of other great local Long Beaches Brenda she will be

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Speaker 2: there doing commission cards, doing cool art stuff, doing Godzilla stuff.

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Speaker 2: We will be signing comics. That's our big immediate plug. Look,

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Speaker 2: I love all of us art, so I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to say anything for certain, but that I would hope

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Speaker 2: it's not the last time that you get to see

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Speaker 2: stuff from me and all of us like that is

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Speaker 2: a that's a collaboration that I'm going to be pursuing.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything else? Yeah, we do team and anything

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Speaker 1: for you to play, you know.

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Speaker 9: I mean my work.

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Speaker 8: I should have some stuff in galleries which I'm going

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Speaker 8: to be announcing on my Instagram and everything. So if

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Speaker 8: you want to get like actual traditional, you know, real

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Speaker 8: life tangible things rather than just like screen stuff, then

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Speaker 8: that's there. I will also be in Long Beach and

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Speaker 8: then I think we do have another signing that's postponed

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Speaker 8: for a little bit later, but word will come out

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Speaker 8: about that as well.

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Speaker 9: But yeah, other than that, shout out, getting back on

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Speaker 9: the grind, you know, more pitches more.

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Speaker 1: Than shadow, What your shadow? Where You're Instagram?

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Speaker 9: Just first and last name Oliver ono oh.

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Speaker 1: Oh Rosie Oliver. This has been so great. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for for coming on and talking to us. Bye bye,

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Speaker 1: Godzilla Rivals Godzilla Versus Bacheer from IDW. Now in today's

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Speaker 1: nerd out, where you tell us what you love and why,

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Speaker 1: CJ pitch us on the classic animated series Gargoyles.

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Speaker 5: Hi, my name is CJ, and this is my nerd

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Speaker 5: out for Disney's Gargoyles. I've been a fan of this

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Speaker 5: show since it originally aired in nineteen ninety four on

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Speaker 5: the Disney Afternoon, which I would to watch after school.

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Speaker 5: Its original peel to me was that it was monsters

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Speaker 5: that fight crime, but as I grew older, I would

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Speaker 5: discover new aspects of it that also appealed to me,

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Speaker 5: such as relationships, complex multi dimensional characters, social issues such

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Speaker 5: as gun control, and the very almost flawless weaving of

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Speaker 5: mythologies and Shakespearean or Arthurian lore, even sci fi elements.

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Speaker 5: The cast was an all star cast of very famous actors,

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Speaker 5: mainly from Star Trek, but also others like Ed Asner,

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Speaker 5: Keith David, Tom Wilson, Bill Fagerback, also known as Patrick

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Speaker 5: Starr and Tim Curry. I as an adult, I even

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Speaker 5: advocated for a revival based on the Mandalorians stage Magic Technology,

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Speaker 5: being a live action adaptation that is set in the

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Speaker 5: modern day and has the twist of the cartoon being

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Speaker 5: an in universe pr campaign to kind of acclimate the

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Speaker 5: public to the existence of the Gargoyles, but even in

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Speaker 5: modern day they would still struggle with equal rights to humans,

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Speaker 5: and in an effort to deal with that, they have

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Speaker 5: a partner with the Manhattan Police Department to patrol with

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Speaker 5: a human partner, and it would be derisively called G

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Speaker 5: nine Units by less open minded people, and would also

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Speaker 5: focus on the next generation of Gargoyles, which by now

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Speaker 5: would be just now entering the equivalent of their teen years.

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Speaker 5: There have been sort of continuations in comic form, mainly

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Speaker 5: by a company called Slave Labor Graphics, but just announced

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Speaker 5: at this year's San Diego Comic Con, Disney has partnered

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Speaker 5: with Dynamite Comics to produce Season four Gargoyles, helmed by

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Speaker 5: the original creator of the show, Greg Wiseman, who has

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Speaker 5: done other works such as Young Justice and Spectacular Spider Man.

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Speaker 5: So that's a very good sign and might be a

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Speaker 5: sign of things to come. If you would like to

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Speaker 5: watch the original series, it is available in its entirety

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Speaker 5: on Disney Plus.

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Speaker 1: Big thanks to CJ for submitting. If you want to

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Speaker 1: be featured, we want you to be featured. Please send

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Speaker 1: your nerd out pitch to x ray at crooked dot

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Speaker 1: com instructions in the show notes. We love hearing from you.

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Speaker 1: Big thank you to Rosie Knight for joining us on

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Speaker 1: x ray Vision and of course her collaborator Oliver own

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Speaker 1: O Rosie. Anything you plugged it, I plugged your Poe,

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Speaker 1: got your plugs for our folks. X ray Vision has

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Speaker 1: a new home. The Takeline YouTube channel and Twitter channels

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Speaker 1: are now dedicated to all things actually Rision. Go check

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Speaker 1: out at XRV pod on Twitter and x ray Vision

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Speaker 1: on YouTube and of course our x ray Vision discord.

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Speaker 1: You can find that in the show notes. Also, the

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Speaker 1: Ask the Master segment will be coming back, where I

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Speaker 1: will answer your questions about House of the Dragon, Game

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Speaker 1: of Thrones, and a Song of Ice and Fire. The

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Speaker 1: email is open now. It's Ask the Master all one

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Speaker 1: word at gmail dot com. You can find that in

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Speaker 1: show notes as well. Don't forget rate and review us

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision with five stars. Yes, I know we

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Speaker 1: said we didn't read the reviews, but if you give

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Speaker 1: us the five star ratings and the great reviews along

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Speaker 1: with them, maybe we'll think about it, maybe we'll feel it.

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Speaker 1: If anything, we'll just feel the love. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's really the important thing. X ray Vision is a

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Speaker 1: Crooked Media production. The show is produced by Chris Lord

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Speaker 1: and Soul Rubin. The show is executive produced by myself

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Speaker 1: and Sandy Garhard are editing and sound design who's by

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Speaker 1: Vascillis Patopoulos. Delon Villanueva and Matt de Group provide video

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Speaker 1: production support. Alex Rellaford handle social media. Thank you Brian

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Speaker 1: Vesquez for a theme music. Folks, See you next time.