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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. All right, welcome to the Wired Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Onyx. Today in the show, we

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Speaker 1: are continuing with our focus on land improvement and conservation,

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Speaker 1: which we also tackled last week in our Back forty conversation.

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Speaker 1: And it's on that note that I want to start

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Speaker 1: because last spring, when I first started preparing for this

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Speaker 1: whole Back forty project of sorts, this huge undertaking, you know,

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Speaker 1: I set out to expand the boundaries of kind of

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Speaker 1: what I know about land improvement and management for wild life,

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Speaker 1: because you know, up to that point, I had a

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Speaker 1: pretty solid understanding of projects that could help me get

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Speaker 1: more dear to use a property, and a pretty good

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Speaker 1: understanding of how to set things up to improve my hunting.

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Speaker 1: But when it came to the bigger picture, when it

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Speaker 1: came to the larger vironment, you know, the soil, the air,

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Speaker 1: of the water, the plants, that whole ecosystem within which

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Speaker 1: I was operating in the deer too, that stuff I

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Speaker 1: wasn't so sure about. And we like to talk a

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Speaker 1: lot as hunters that hunting is conservation, and you've heard

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Speaker 1: me talk about this before. I love that idea, but

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Speaker 1: it's easy for that to become just an idea and

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Speaker 1: no action if we depend on hunting being conservation just

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Speaker 1: by default. I worried that we're missing the boat. So

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Speaker 1: I got to thinking, you know, is there more that

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Speaker 1: was this question that I have been asking myself more

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Speaker 1: and more and more, and it led to a whole

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Speaker 1: bunch of reading and research, and that eventually led me

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Speaker 1: down this rabbit hole which led to the topic of

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Speaker 1: regenerative agriculture. It's this new way of approaching how we

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Speaker 1: managed land and plant crops that could result in not

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Speaker 1: just high quality dear habitat, but also healthier plants and

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Speaker 1: soil and wildlife and cleaner air and water. And this

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Speaker 1: this seemed like the natural next step and in a

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Speaker 1: perfect new world to dive into. I guess as I

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Speaker 1: So that's what I did. And it's been about a

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Speaker 1: year since those original explorations. If you've watched the back

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Speaker 1: if you've listened to any of the podcasts this fall,

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Speaker 1: you know that I've kind of started this process. I've

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Speaker 1: tried implementing some of these new regenerative AGG principles on

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Speaker 1: little bit. And as you might have heard, things didn't

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Speaker 1: go the way I hoped they might in a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways. Um, it was tough. I had a lot

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Speaker 1: of challenges, I had some failures, but I did learn

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Speaker 1: a lot. And and that's why this podcast today has

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Speaker 1: me so excited, because I feel like I'm ready to

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Speaker 1: learn more. I'm ready to take that next step. It's

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Speaker 1: year two, and helping me to do that today is

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Speaker 1: another dear guy who's been captivated by the opportunity presented

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Speaker 1: by regenitative AGG and its applications to wildlife management, and

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Speaker 1: that's Jason Snavely. Jason is a wildlife biologist and consultant.

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Speaker 1: He is the host of the drop Time podcast. He's

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Speaker 1: a calumnist for Peterson's Bow Owning and just an all

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Speaker 1: around fascinating guy. He's someone that had followed from Afar

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Speaker 1: for a number of years and recently, I don't know

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Speaker 1: He's dove full bore into this same thing that I'm

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Speaker 1: now just starting to explore, this idea of regenerative agriculture.

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Speaker 1: It's applications for deer hunters and managers, and he's gone

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Speaker 1: environment and the wildlife health and hunting. So that's what

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Speaker 1: today's episode is all about. I'm excited about it. I'm

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Speaker 1: thrilled that you're here tuning in to hear all about it.

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Speaker 1: So without further do, let's take a quick break and

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Speaker 1: then get right to my chat with Jason snave Lee.

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Speaker 1: But before we do that, two quick things. Number One,

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Speaker 1: I mentioned this whole back forty project that we were

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Speaker 1: a rock and you miss that, you gotta check it out.

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Speaker 1: We have an eight part series over on the Meat

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Speaker 1: Eater YouTube channel. The documents everything we've done this property

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Speaker 1: so far. The original impetus for the idea, the idea

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel. You gotta check it out. It's the most

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Speaker 1: recent episode, came out at the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll give it a watch. All right. I

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Speaker 1: Jason sna eavily and I think we've got a lot

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Speaker 1: to talk about. So welcome to the show. Jason, Hey, Mark,

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Speaker 1: thanks a lot. I appreciate you inviting me. I'm super excited.

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Speaker 1: talk about dirt man, that's that's my passion. I'm ready. Good. Well,

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Speaker 1: this has been something that over the last year so

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Speaker 1: everything that I tried last year and all the things

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Speaker 1: this conversation is perfectly timed. Um. But before we get

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Speaker 1: your brain about and and and just I told you

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Speaker 1: this will be about an hour. I'm actually planning on

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Speaker 1: aren't aware of who you are what you do, can

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Speaker 1: you give us the quick rundown of kind of your story,

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Speaker 1: how you got to this point, what it is you

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Speaker 1: do in this hunting world. Yeah, absolutely so. I like

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Speaker 1: you said the names Jason Snavely, I am a certified

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Speaker 1: all the listeners and yourself hunting fishing, just you know,

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Speaker 1: First of all, what an awesome podcast. I record podcasts,

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Speaker 1: But I was said that, you know, from from buying

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Speaker 1: have one more thing I'll add is that I know

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Speaker 1: one of the interesting visual representations you can take a

429
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: look at if you just care about deer. If you

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Speaker 1: take a look at the map of the United States

431
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: and you map out where the highest boon and Crockett,

432
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: you know density of bucks has taken, you're gonna see

433
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 1: a pretty close match to where the highest quality quality

434
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 1: soils are in the United States. Right, you've probably seen

435
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: that map that the QT you may put out some

436
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: number of years ago. I don't think it's a accident

437
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: that bigger deer tend to be where better soil is. Now,

438
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: that's not the only reason why we're doing this, but

439
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: I just wanted to lay that was one thing, as

440
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: like a little carrot. If you are excited about seeing

441
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: bigger deer or older deer, good soil is good for that.

442
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: Good soil is important for so many other things too,

443
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: And I want to understand what that looks like and

444
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 1: how we achieve that. Jason, tell me a little bit

445
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: more about you know. That's a great that's a great point.

446
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm glad you hit that two things come to mind

447
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: real quick. Uh. Number one, I had synthetic fertilizer salesman

448
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: telling me, as you know, we had clients canceling seven

449
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollar orders. Um, you know, just left and right.

450
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: My fertilizer salesman was just off the hook, crazy calling

451
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: me and you threatening my clients. And I was going

452
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: to destroy the deer. Heard he built, right, he built

453
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: the deer herb. But since that he fertilized. But you know,

454
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: after three or four years of going down the regenerative

455
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 1: path on my small you know, back for you if

456
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: you will, which is only uh, I'm here to tell

457
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: you we we we kill what we call. You've heard

458
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: investors talked about op M other people's money. There's nothing

459
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: better to invest in other people's money, right, A lot

460
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: of pressure, you know, it really is a lot of pressure.

461
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: But still we we like to kill, as me and

462
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: my kids laugh, we'd like to kill O. P. D.

463
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: Other people's buck. I don't want to watch the buck

464
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: all summer eat my groceries and then have him wander

465
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: up the road and get shot. I'll be honest with you,

466
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: that's just that that my livelihoods depends on me fighting that.

467
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: So we have seen after creating this what I'll get

468
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: into this here in a minute, but after creating and

469
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: regenerating the ecosystem on my farm, and that's everything from

470
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: the insects of these that you know, just focusing on

471
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: the biology of the soil, just the entire yo system,

472
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: we have seen more dear that we also call welfare dear.

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00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: These are dear that I could kill fifty does a year, right,

474
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: but I was trained as a biologist, would have to

475
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: kill those, kill those. Maintain a balanced sex ratio. That's

476
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: all great and a textbook, and on a property that's

477
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: completely dysfunctional and de created. But when you're in island,

478
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: you've developed something special. You get dear box those fonds

479
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: coming from miles and miles. And my son shot a

480
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: five and a half year old ten points this year,

481
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: which I'm not joking when I say this. My thirteen

482
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: year old son of my nine year old daughter said

483
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: to me Dad this year, they said that this is

484
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: getting too easy. Now. The reason I tell you that

485
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: it's not to suit my own horn or stroke myself,

486
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 1: but it's because when I started with this region thing,

487
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: I would sit out there in the field and just

488
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: struggle four heads of palms, saying, and you know, my

489
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: kids have killed bucks every year. We're proud of that.

490
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: Mature bucks three and a half, four and a half

491
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: pluses with some five and six year old acres. And

492
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: have we attacted, you know, heavily hunted state with neighbors

493
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: that yes, they believe it's you know this brown is down.

494
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: There's no special thing going on here in Columbia County, Pennsylvania.

495
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: They're all the same. I thought this is gonna end it,

496
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: and I am I really primarily focused on sol health

497
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: so much that I'm going to give up this incredible

498
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: hunting on this property. But I decided to go for it.

499
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: Goal in and my kids staffed this year just shaking

500
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: their heads. And I've worn them before the seasons. The guys,

501
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: the things they're gonna look different. You may not even

502
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: see a dear just maybe the year. It just wants

503
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: you to understand that. And they were they were okay

504
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: with that, as we said, for the first thing they said,

505
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: and they climbed up, they like came they said that,

506
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: what am I looking at it? It looks like a jungle.

507
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: What have you done with this? Once for soybean field

508
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm going down that path before clients,

509
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: just to make sure. But I'm here to tell you

510
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: that the dear know it um. If you ever studied

511
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: Dr Fred prevents his work. It's just an amazing human being.

512
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: And this nutritional wisdom which i'd like to get into

513
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: a bad time. I believe firmly in the nutrient density

514
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: of plants. Change draws here from from miles away. So

515
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: just wanted to inject that real quick. But I'll get

516
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: talking into what soiled is that if everybody hasn't fallen

517
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: asleep yet and do you want to wake come up

518
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: real quick, jump into it. And they're listening. They're listening

519
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: because because this stuff it's tactical and and it's also

520
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: philosophical in a way to I think that you can

521
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: approach this conversation. We're having a tactical standpoint, like how

522
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: this is going to help you a better hunting, And

523
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: I think there's also myself and some people that are

524
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: listening to this from like a philosophical standpoint, which is

525
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: how do you do right by the land? And I

526
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: think what's cool about this conversation is you can achieve

527
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: both those things. So that's why I'm awake at least,

528
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right, and I'm thinking to drink of water.

529
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: And I just wanted to know if sitting on the

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00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: edge of my chair, I'm so excited a whot to

531
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: talk about this stuff. So so soil, this is where

532
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: the transition changes. It's a paradigm shift, it's a mental change.

533
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: And what dirt is, Okay, let's focus on what soil is.

534
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: Soil is this living, breathing, fully functioning ecosystem. Okay, it's

535
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: not just this uh plant growing medium where you dump

536
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: fertilizer in like like I once thought, right, where you

537
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: just dump fertilize your and you put a little bit

538
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: of water in there and you make sure the sun

539
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: shining on it. That that's how you do it. No,

540
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: and you know. Most of what we currently know in

541
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: practice right now regarding growing plants centers around how plants

542
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: respond to synthetic inputs applied to dysfunctional soil. So when

543
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: someone tells me, hey, j you're wrong this bug and

544
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: the drug works, I say, that's great, and your com

545
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: it be degraded soils, but it won't work in my

546
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: fully functioning, biologically active soils. So once we start to

547
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: look at soils as a biological system, things change and

548
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: this is what changed for me and obviously on the

549
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: wilife biologist. So this is why I think. Um, so

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00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: many clients asked me at dinner, Shay, why have you

551
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: get Why have you crabbed onto this? So if you're

552
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: crazy about this stuff, you've forgotten about and their point

553
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 1: restrictions and managing sex ratios and a structure and estimating

554
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: a lot of white tails deer on the hooks and

555
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: chronic wasting disease and all this very important stuff and

556
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: I have not. But there's nothing that has impacted in

557
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: nineteen years their property. And we're only four three or

558
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: four years into this. The properties that I managed small

559
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: and large and regenerative wilife agriculture. So when we start

560
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: to look at the soils this way, we understand. You know,

561
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: there's this big term bio mimicry. I don't know if

562
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: you've heard this yet in your your research from region I,

563
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: but biomimicry. And I think that my good friends in Texas,

564
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: Dr Rick Haney. I'll be with Rick next week, UM

565
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: and at Soil Health you in Salanta, Kansas. But you know,

566
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: bio mimicry is really what we're doing. We're farming in

567
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: nature's image. So instead of imposing our will in nature

568
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: and working against nature, i e. Pesticide, chemicals, herb besides pillage,

569
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: all the stuff that we'll talk about here soon, we

570
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: look at nature and observed. There's that observed again, and

571
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: we utilize we kind of work with nature. So you know,

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00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: one of the things that gave told me up front.

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00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: You've probably heard Peach say this, and I had a

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00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: huge impact on me. He said, Jason, your farm is

575
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: a direct reflection of you. And I thought to myself,

576
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: that's that's not good. You know, I'm looking at completely naked, soiled,

577
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: dead They're not there's no light in them. Wow. And

578
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: and you know, I went through a series of some

579
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: health issues. So because I work a lot, immune system

580
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: has deteriorated, and you know, of course I get fit

581
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: by ticks all over North America. So you know that

582
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: we blame it online disease and associated take pourn illness,

583
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: but I think it's probably the diet when you're in

584
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: an airport, in the whole nine yards. But it's starting

585
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: to click to me that anyway, ante I learned about

586
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: all this stuff with the dump biology making me healthy

587
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: and fit just makes sense. So let let me throw

588
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: something out there. You know, everybody likes statistics, right um,

589
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: you know over nine When I tell clients is there,

590
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: they don't believe me. But over ninety of land life

591
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: on land resize beneath our boots in the soil. And

592
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: if you ever follow Dr Christine Jones, you should. She've

593
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: once said, I love this quote from her. She said, well,

594
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm kind of doing off the top of my head,

595
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: so but she said something about we're standing on the

596
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: rooftop of another world, and all of that stuff kind

597
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: of came back to me and and you know, from

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00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: different avenues, and I thought, wow, if there's this much

599
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: biology in the soil, why are we spending all of

600
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: our time managing the biology above the soil, worrying about

601
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: these things sex ratio, the whole nine yards recruitment race.

602
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: But we're killing the life in the soil. And that's

603
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: when the six Principles of soil health. Many of you

604
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: may know him at the five I think everybody has succepted.

605
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: The sixth one is as context when we can talk

606
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: about that here in a little bit. But that's when

607
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: these principles of soil health and regenerative a kind of

608
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: came in. So again, when you look at soils as

609
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: this living, breathing, fully functioning ecosystem, it will be easy

610
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: for you to give up the synthetic fertilizers. It will

611
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: be much easier for you to give up the caustic chemicals,

612
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: the pest society and secticide, the herbicide. Let's talk about

613
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: those principles of soil health because if we're if we're

614
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: accepting the premise that having healthy soil is going to

615
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: help our wildlife, our dear and then subsequently are hunting. Uh,

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00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: tell me what the principles of soil health are that

617
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: we are shooting for. Yeah, and I think, you know,

618
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: maybe I'll fly over these, but I think everybody has

619
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: probably heard these by now. But for those who haven't,

620
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: you know that you'll hear it ofttimes. It's the five

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00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: principles of regenerating the soil ecosystem or restoring the soil ecosystem.

622
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: And number one really just hits this disturbance thing, is

623
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: limiting disturbance, and that could be chemical or physical. So

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00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, most of us think and talk about a pillage.

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00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: You know, running a plow through soil. That's a major,

626
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: major destructive disturbance, I think chemical disturbance. You know anything

627
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: obviously we put into our sprayer. Not teasing you, but

628
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: I kind of am. I'm just watching the back for

629
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: it this morning, and I saw that sprayer something. And

630
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: I also heard Steve mentioned pull how it up? Which

631
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: man that was at one time too um. And by

632
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: the way, for those of you who say that you'd

633
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: like to plow the dirt because you like to smell it,

634
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: if you've ever smelled a good soil, I mean a

635
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: David Brant from Ohio, no tiller since the seventies, Gay Brown.

636
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: When you smell a really good soil, you'll change your

637
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: mind real quick. So anyway, limit the servant. The second

638
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: one I think I have found to be so positively impactable,

639
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: which is armor the soil. So when you build soil armor,

640
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: you do so many things. Number one, you cover it

641
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: with plant residue, which obviously recycles those in those organic

642
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: infield future and trick back into your system. But you

643
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: smother and her weed seems essentially hating your reliance. Extremely

644
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: important obviously, you you know, minimize or eliminate soil erosion. Um,

645
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: you provide habits at when you cover your soil with

646
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: with a grass, let's say a sorghum stud in grass

647
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: or or a serial rye, you provide a massive amount

648
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: of habitat for the bugs, the biology, both macro and

649
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: micro biology and your soils. Then moving on diversity, and

650
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: this one here caused the you know, I'm deeply rooted

651
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: in the food plot industry, have been since the beginning. Uh.

652
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: It changed the way I completely changed the way I

653
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: look at Okay, it's the wildlife begar culture. So diversity

654
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: means offering the major plant type grasses, forded lagoons, brassicas

655
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: all in one ara again and that that just the

656
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 1: way that the different plant types offer species, symbiotics, symbiotics, relationships.

657
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: It's just it blows your mind. Um. And then living roots,

658
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: so you know we think of um most of the

659
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: times that we have this growing season and then we

660
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: have this dormant season. Well that's just not true. You know,

661
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: cereal rye can Germany in negative to three attempts it can.

662
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's root active all winter long. Um. You know,

663
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: so we want to maintain this living root in the

664
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: soil year round. You can't do that with village. You

665
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: can't do that by spraying cost the herbicides. Um. You know,

666
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: and and people don't realize that we talk about soil

667
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: organic matter. You know, seventy percent of soil organic matter

668
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: comes from the roots, not the above ground plant. Excuse me. So.

669
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: So the fifth one is animal and integration. Not for

670
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: the fraziers and those guys and the cattleman. This one's

671
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: so simple. You know. I gave te this man, always

672
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: talk the game, and I said, gave I'll never get

673
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: my soils to the point that you have them, because

674
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: I'm not a cowboy. I'm a dear guy. If I can't,

675
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 1: I can't manage cattle. I travel too much. I love cattle,

676
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: love bites, and I'm still not committed to not getting now.

677
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: I want them in the worst way. But the management

678
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: and the logistics is a bit of a hurdle right

679
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: now at this stage of my life. But when you

680
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: integrate animals, you know, the stopping, the trampling, the dung,

681
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: the urine, the droll when they knit a plant off

682
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: and they drooled, the just the stimulation of the biology

683
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: and the soil is way more than we understand at

684
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: this point. But you know what, it's not a bad

685
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: thing that this this animal integration thing, because when you

686
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: throw the sixth principle, which is context, I start to realize, say,

687
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I do have animals integrated into my system,

688
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: and actually I think I have more animals in the

689
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: form of wildlife integrated in my system. Then gave us

690
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: to his his maybe huge cattle that are obvious on

691
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: landscape when you see them walking around. But you know,

692
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: I've got fear and you know recently that this context

693
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: and animal integration says a real quick side point. As

694
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: soon as the season ends. Here, of course, we don't

695
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: put corn out or any grains out during the season,

696
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: but as soon as the season ends or we've committed

697
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: to no longer hunting, I'll go out and I'll supplement

698
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: some grains, non GMO grains on different fields. And I've

699
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: got it set up so that i can move either

700
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: the theater or I'll use a spreader and i'll super

701
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: hyper focus high identities of theory. I'm talking. You know,

702
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: some of my peers will kill me when I hear this,

703
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: but I've had my cameraman tell me he counted nine

704
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: and lost track. Um, all consuming plants and of course

705
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: supplemental grain in a one or two acre area. I

706
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: can already hear the c w D guys and all

707
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: the same people who have helped UM cause chronic wasting

708
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: disease behind you know, research enclosures. But no, it's white

709
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: tale of social animals. And I'm not I'm not concerned

710
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: with that at all. But when you look at the

711
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: trampling of all of these deer and the dumb and

712
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: obviously yurin and the brows, that's animal integration as finest.

713
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: So those are the six UM and I kind of

714
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: I went over a super fast. I know it's not

715
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: like I didn't. But if someone were to staple those

716
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: up on their their both and board and uh, you know,

717
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: really asked themselves before they go out and do something

718
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: in their food plots or in their egg fields. Am

719
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: I falling under one of these six now? Or am

720
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: I breaking the rules? I think that's a pretty good

721
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: guiding UM set of principles. Yeah and so and so,

722
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 1: like I alluded to earlier, I discovered these ideas last year,

723
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: and so decide all right, I'm gonna try this. I'm

724
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: going to start to try this at least so what

725
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: I did, uh, And I did this on the back

726
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: forty property and then one of the property that I

727
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: have the ability to do some planting on um I

728
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: was able to get my hands on a no tail

729
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: drill from our TP outdoors, So for the first time ever,

730
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: I got to use no tell drill. For the first

731
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: time ever, I planted blends of species rather than monocultures

732
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: of species, and I planted things that would allow me

733
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: to next year hopefully not need to use herbicides the

734
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: way I would typically. So this year, at least from

735
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: conversations I've had with some other folks like Grant Woods,

736
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: and they say, kind of started. You might still need

737
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: to kill off the initial weeds, but then you can

738
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: start this rotation. So I planted things so so yeah,

739
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 1: maybe you can tell me how to do it otherwise.

740
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: But that's what I tried this past years. I I

741
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: use some herbicide the first time because we're in a

742
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: brand new place with a bunch of invasive Mayor's tail.

743
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: Was able to get some stuff planted that that, hopefully

744
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: with the blend we plan next year I'll have some

745
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: cereal ride will be coming up in the spring, and

746
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: and then you start this rotation when we we talked

747
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: about this last year a little bit in the podcast,

748
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: where you can have this cover crop essentially in place,

749
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: the controls weeds the following year, so that you can

750
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: then plant what you want over top of that once

751
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: you terminate with a cramper or something like that. UM. Now,

752
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: now all that is to say, so I use no

753
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: tell drill, I reduced how much fertilizer was putting down,

754
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: hopefully eventually be able to completely remove that and have

755
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: a rotation hopefully in place now where I don't need

756
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: to use herbside next year. And I planned the diversity.

757
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: So here's what happened though. So I tried all that,

758
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: what I got. What I got was my worst food

759
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: plot year I think I've had yet. Now I don't

760
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: want to I don't want to. I don't want to

761
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: say I want to qualify that and qualify that, UM

762
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: simply by fact of it was different than what I've

763
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: had in past years. And I think a lot of

764
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: it is simply in the execution, right, I've never done

765
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: it this way before. I've never used a no til

766
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: drill before. UM. I guarantee I didn't calibrate it exactly

767
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: right way. I guarantee I probably got depths wrong or

768
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: I got there's all these little things. I just don't

769
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: know how to do quite yet because it's just different

770
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: from what I've done exactly. So what I ended up

771
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: with in the biggest area this this showed up was

772
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: on the back forty. I tried to plant this diverse

773
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: blend of species, and I got almost none of that

774
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: diversity come up. I I mostly got just uh oats

775
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: and some other cereal grains like that coming up. I

776
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: got very little of the other species showing up at

777
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: least that first you know, that first growing season, the

778
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: fall um not nearly the growth I would expect. Um,

779
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: didn't get the drawing power I was hoping for all

780
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: these things. And on my other farm I got it

781
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: was definitely better, but didn't get as much of the

782
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: brassicas that typically would get when I'm planting. You, of course,

783
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: monocultures of Braska's versus this thing I blend, so I

784
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: didn't get the mid to late season attraction they usually do.

785
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: So all this is to say I tried things. It

786
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: didn't turn out exactly the way I thought it would,

787
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: but I realized there's a lot of different factors going.

788
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: And so what I'm I bring all this up to

789
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: ask you what are some of the common is this

790
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: to be expected the first year? You're gonna have some

791
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: challenges like that? What are some things that typically happen?

792
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: What should I be thinking about this point? Yeah, so

793
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm taking notes now, um, because you just you you

794
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: nailed it. You hammered it right there. So first of all,

795
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: this is a process, right. Um, I've seen you in

796
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: the videos. You're a pretty thick guy. And Steve's the

797
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: same way. You know, he's good exercise. Uh, you know,

798
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: we all like to hunt, so you have to stay

799
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: in shape for that. That's a process, right. It doesn't

800
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: happen overnight. So you know, Gabe, I hate to keep

801
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: bringing up Gabe because this head is big enough, but

802
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: Gab Gabe has the best quote. When you can YouTube, Um,

803
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 1: you can't think of what video is, but um, geez,

804
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: you can YouTube and and this his quote goes something

805
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: like this, before you head down the regentative a past,

806
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: you need to reach down into your drawers and find

807
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: out if you have a pair. And I think it

808
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: was um, jeez at Lance Plastic. I can't remember whose

809
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: video was in but that. So so I'm telling you,

810
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: I'm challenging you as friends in the end reginatic world

811
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: did to me, and as I do to my clients.

812
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: Do that reach down in and say do I really

813
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: have a set? Or does all just this just sounds

814
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: cool and sexy on YouTube, you know? And I think

815
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: you know, obviously you've got this passion in this drive

816
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: for it. So so that was my slash. Now I'll

817
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: stroke you a little bit and I'll say, listen, you

818
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: didn't think you did a good job, and I'm gonna

819
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: disagree with you. I think you did a perfect job.

820
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: You did a fine job. And and beyond at you

821
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: are learning how to observe and read nature. So you know,

822
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 1: I used to keep going back to my line disease.

823
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: But I went to a line specialist and said, buddy,

824
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of work to do, a lot

825
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: of consulting to do. I gotta make money, I gotta

826
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: take for properties. Fix me now, And he said, sure, here,

827
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm right you. This script. That script will kill all

828
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: your gut bacteria. And he did it, and he wanted

829
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: me to stay on antibiotics, uh, you know, for two

830
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: or three years until my symptoms went away and uh

831
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: and and they some of them did. All my joints

832
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: fell great. I was running half marathons killing sheep, and

833
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: then I realized, oh my gosh, I can't eat anything

834
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: because my gut is dead. There's no deut bacteria life.

835
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: So you're going from a heroic system to Now what

836
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: I do is that focus on herbs, focus on my exercus,

837
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: my diet, focus on exercise. It's a much more difficult

838
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: length of your process. Right, you went to heroic rout before,

839
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: like I did you spray her Besides you kill everything.

840
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: I used to say to people, I wanted to look

841
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: like you know what, nap that will look down from

842
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: space and say, what the hell is that guy doing

843
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: over there? Man, he's killed everything. I thought it was

844
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: cute to start planting my forward soybeans on essentially a

845
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: basketball corps, so I could produce six and a half

846
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: foot tall gains and looked like a hero. Right, So

847
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: you did. Fine, Now what's your seeing and what you're observing?

848
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: As these crashes come up? You could plan a twenty

849
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: nine way blend of cereals, which your grasses, by the way,

850
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: the humes, clovers, peas beans, brassicas, forbes like chickory, plantain,

851
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: and your soil may only kick out three or four

852
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: of those. That's not a failure, that's a success. And

853
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: that that is that reads to me like a book.

854
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: So what's your soil is saying? Is my carbon to

855
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 1: nitrogen ratio? Do a little bit of research. Obviously, don't

856
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: have a lot of time to discuss this, but the

857
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: carbon to nitrogen ratio his way out of whack. And

858
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: you know this, this sort of gets back to the

859
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: food plot industry that I got heavily into. You know,

860
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: since the eighties you could probably name the companies. You know,

861
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: they still fight over who was the first one to

862
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: grow that the most genetically improved quote unquote deer clover group,

863
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: which cracks me up. But you know, we've been pumping

864
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: so much nitrogen into the soil with legoons that we

865
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 1: are providing the perfect environment for weed to invade. Now, again,

866
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: none of us are perfect farmers, so we have skips

867
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: and boys in our plots, and Mother Nature's you know,

868
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: first defense to a scar just to throw a plant there.

869
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: So you know, here we are. And I'm sure you've

870
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: heard of guys fertilizing the clover plots worse, relieving fair soils,

871
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: which allows for the infestation of weeds that we hate,

872
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: and then we're spraying them with caustic chemicals further just

873
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: throwing the biology in the system. So you're when you

874
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: throw diversity, I love it. I don't know diversities relative

875
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: on finding. I like, you know, fifteen sixteen seventeen different

876
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: species UM in a species complementaries kind of a way. Yeah,

877
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: you know there's this research now that's it's pretty thick.

878
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 1: It's it's called core um sensusing and what they're starting

879
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: to find out it's really above the seven eight nine

880
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: um different species. It's almost like a meeting, right if

881
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: if you have if you sit on the board UM

882
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: maybe have a nonprofit and you have to have a

883
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: quorum and only two guys show up when you don't

884
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: get much done. And what the what these microbiologists are

885
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: finding out is once there's a certain amount or a

886
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: number of species, the biology is superactive and things just click.

887
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: So I like what you did to see if I

888
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: got all my notes and you're, um, I think you

889
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: did perfectly fine. You said you didn't get the growth

890
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: that you wanted. Well, I think you also said you

891
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: you cut back on your fertilizer. Right, So so this

892
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: is not an overnight accomplishment. So let's let's talk about

893
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 1: if you're okay with that, this negative impact of synthetic fertilizers.

894
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: I man, my, my, my fertilizers. Say, ok, guy, I

895
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: don't get happy hats anymore. I don't get tickets for

896
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: the baseball games. He's gonna hate it. I mean, here's this,

897
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: but we have become so dependent on commercial fertilizers that

898
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: our soils, including my minds, are recovering crack addic. Yours

899
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: is a recovering crack addict. As you drive, I'm sure

900
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: in all the country roads where you live, you will

901
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: see soils that are highly dependent on synthetic fertilizers. Now

902
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: here's the cool thing about this fertilizer topolic right, And

903
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if this gets nerdy, but I'm gonna try

904
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,479
Speaker 1: to make it is like I talked to appliances hunter friend,

905
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: that is possible. But nature is full of these synergies,

906
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: parallels and deep interconnections. It really is. And that's one

907
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: of my favorite things because people look at the funny

908
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: cross side when I say, then, I'll repeat it. Nature

909
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: is full of synergies, parallels, and deep interconnections. So what

910
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: I mean by that is, so everybody has you know,

911
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: we recall from six or seven grade science the way

912
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: photosynthesis works, right, and I'll spare you all the C

913
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: six things swallow six bs and I'll just say, do

914
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: you have these plants with this green chlorophyll, right which

915
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: collects sun? Combine that with C O two carbon dioxide.

916
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: You hear about CO two emissions. Well, I'm here to

917
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: tell you nobody's doing more for CO two emissions than

918
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: the regent a people period. And that includes the folks

919
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: who have a lot of cows, a lot of cattle

920
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: and then a little bit hto H two O, right,

921
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: and you know that sort of mixture if you will. Uh.

922
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: We always hear about this from sixth grade science on.

923
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: It produces this life supporting oxygen. Right, That's all. That's

924
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: all we've ever been taught that that photosynthesis produces oxygen

925
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 1: planet treat. Well, that's cool for those of us who

926
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: like to breathe. I great, But but the most important

927
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: thing in my mind that results of byproduct and photosynthesis

928
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: is carbon. And I'm sure you've heard of carbon in

929
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: your research and D A carbon exudes, so the term

930
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: exit it scares a lot of people. But basically, these

931
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: leaves ah start their roots of plants leak liquid carbon

932
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: which is a sugar and it's much more difficult than this,

933
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: but this makes good sense. So when they leak this sugar,

934
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: the biology in the soil gets super excited and eat it.

935
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: So it's the symbiotic relationship that, believe it or not,

936
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: went on before we got here and started lining fertilizing,

937
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: killings and destroy and soils. But this super friendly um

938
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: symbiotic relationship that's been parallel and works very well for

939
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: you know, who knows how long, is now being disrupted, right,

940
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: it's being disrupted in that we are dumping or outsourcing.

941
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: I've heard it term this way, and this makes sense

942
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: to me. We are outsourcing the job and the relationship

943
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: of plants and biology. So for instance, if we dump

944
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of soluble soluble phosphorus fertilizer in the ground,

945
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: the abuscular microize apongei is the microbes that attacht the

946
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: sol roots that that sort of ha, the symbiozed relationship

947
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 1: are no longer needed, right we we don't need am anymore,

948
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: plant doesn't need them. Anymore. So they don't form this

949
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: as your say, your soybean plant is germinating, it's using

950
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: all of this phosphorus to grow, and it doesn't need

951
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: the microbes. It's kind of shuns it. The microubs go

952
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: beat carbon, which is a very bad thing, and they

953
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: consume the existing carbon, and then the plant continues to grow,

954
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: protuses to grow, and that we leave the field right

955
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 1: we're out bass fishing, and the plant says, oh crap,

956
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: you gave me all this nitrogen. And your fertilizer guy

957
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: told you to apply right, you know, right when you

958
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: planted it. But what he didn't tell you is that

959
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: I need more nights later on in my life my

960
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: growth cycle, right, and you know, all of this nitrogen

961
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: has now either been consumed by plants or least through

962
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: the system down to the Gulf and at this one,

963
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: which they don't appreciate at all. Um So, so you

964
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: there's no relationship now between plants and microizal fungi. So

965
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: the plant says, hey, micro azal fonge i, I kind

966
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: of need you right now, and here's some carbon, bring

967
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: me some some phosphorus. And they don't have this relationship.

968
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: It's too late. You see plants that look horrible, and

969
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: what's the fertilizer guy say you to do? Put more down? Well,

970
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: it's too late. So so there there's some really good data.

971
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 1: It's only seventy years worth of data. My good friend

972
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: Rick Haney loves that comment. It's only seventy years worth

973
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: of data. Let people argue with all the time that

974
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 1: has shown approximately fifty of the nitrogen fertilizer that you apply,

975
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: I would I would even venture to get Any commercial

976
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: synthetic fertilizer that you apply is wasted, regardless of pH

977
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: regardless of form, and how you apply it, it's gone.

978
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: It leaches through the system and it ends up in

979
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: our in our water systems. So you know that that

980
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: this whole idea that we think we can go, Oh

981
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: wait a minute. If if this guy says there's biology

982
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: and my soil that's gonna go get the nutrients and

983
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: bring them to the plants in exchange for this liquid

984
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: carbon cool I'll just stop paying the fertilizer pill. But

985
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: life's gonna be tickled pink, and everything's gonna look great.

986
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: And then he calls up because of a j I

987
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: got a problem. My food plucks look like crap. They're stunted,

988
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm just not seeing the deer I

989
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: was seeing. Well, it's it's not a You're looking at

990
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: a completely degenerated, defunct system. So the quicker my my,

991
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: the way I looked at it, you know, I'm not

992
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: gonna be here for forever. I want to work as

993
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: quick as I can. If I have to sacrifice a

994
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: little bit for a couple of years, that's fine. The

995
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: more of these principles I can follow, and the quicker

996
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: I can rebuild the biology and my soils, the well,

997
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: the more valuable my land will be. Obviously it's the

998
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: future generations, but the healthier my soils will be. And

999
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: you know it's a I'm listening to you. It's funny

1000
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: because I've heard that from dozens of clients. Um, but

1001
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: it just takes a little bit of patience, and trust me.

1002
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: After about the second or third year, the drawing power

1003
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: is to a point where your kids say this is

1004
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: too easy, Dad, and you start to think we have

1005
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: We've only killed two dos and U two thou six

1006
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: fourteen years here, which is completely against everything I've been

1007
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: taught as a as a wildlife file and just killed

1008
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: two doughs. But we are now after region to the

1009
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: point where we we're gonna have to kill some those

1010
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: um just because we're we're overrun with year. So so

1011
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: you say it takes a couple of years for things

1012
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: to get untracked once you pull out that synthetic fertilizer.

1013
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: Now I think correctly if I'm wrong, but I think

1014
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: that's because a few things. Number One, once you remove

1015
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: the kind of steroid, you then get the natural relationship

1016
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: that you just talked about. That natural relationship begins to strengthen,

1017
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: it gets better and better every year, and then you

1018
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: are not ripping up the soil anymore because you're gonna

1019
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: go a no tell approach, so you're not destroying those

1020
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: relations ships in that biology, and so that gets better.

1021
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: You're also leaving vegetation on top of the surface, and

1022
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: that becomes organic matter, which then feeds the soil and

1023
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: provides natural fertilizer. And then you have this diverse array

1024
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: of different plant life that you keep growing all year round,

1025
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: which have kind of symbiatic relationships to where one plants

1026
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: fixing nitrogen and other ones using nitrogen. They're doing this

1027
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: with all sorts of types of nutrients. Is that basically

1028
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: how you replace the fertilizer right, that system in place

1029
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: essentially creates a natural fertilizing system. Absolutely, and and where

1030
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: you put it this phenomenal And now I'll say that

1031
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: you're you're eliminating a group of things and then you're

1032
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: adding something that does create segway. By the way, you're

1033
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: adding something that is violently important. It's the most important

1034
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: tool in article box for regenerating soils. So we're eliminating

1035
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: the fillage, for eliminating all of the services, and we're

1036
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: doing everything you just said. But what we're adding is

1037
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: of most of utmost importance, and that is plants. We

1038
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: fixed soils with plants. Dr Rick Haney. I don't know

1039
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: if he was the first to say this, but he's

1040
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: known for his short and impactful comments and quotes. He'll

1041
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: stay all the time plants. And to the point that

1042
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: I made a T shirt sent it to him, uh

1043
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: with drops on on the front and plants fixed stirt

1044
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: on the back. And you know, every time, as I

1045
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: was learning about this process, I'd call him up, say Rick,

1046
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: what about Bioshar? And you know, what about this particular

1047
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: bug in a chug? You know, what what if I

1048
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: did this? Can I spray these micros and get there quicker?

1049
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: He would just laugh and he in his okey hybrid

1050
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: texas draw say plants fixed, stirt, dummy, stop thinking so

1051
01:00:55,480 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: much and just plants plants. So this led to so,

1052
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: so I want to I want to make sure I

1053
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: drive that home is a live plant is the most

1054
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: potent tool with which we can build healthy soils. So photosynthesis,

1055
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: without that bright thing in the sky, that's son, none

1056
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: of this would be possible. So photosynthesis drives it right,

1057
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: kicks off this carbon liquid carbon, sugar off the roots,

1058
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: and that carbon is the currency, if you will, of

1059
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: the soil economic system, so that carbon is traded for

1060
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: everything a plant needs. So yes, you're absolutely dead on.

1061
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: But I want people to understand when they see all

1062
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: of the marketing and the advertising, and then that includes me.

1063
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: I think I threw myself unto the bus m with

1064
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: our nitro, you know, and of some things in the past.

1065
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: Seaweeds offer incredible health both humans and while if but

1066
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: plants fixed or so, you know, when the energy flows

1067
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: from the sun through the soil, you really can't have

1068
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: healthy soil um without plants. And that's what uh sort

1069
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: of led me down this path of what I call

1070
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: relay inter cropping or pasture cropping. And I didn't make

1071
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: about either of those terms. They're just not really used

1072
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: in North American agriculture. UM. But this while they're starting

1073
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: to get here, relay intercropping and pasture cropping I think

1074
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: are just the coolest thing for for wildlife managers. All right,

1075
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: So so what does that mean? How does that apply

1076
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: to what we're trying to do with wildlife management and

1077
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: in habitat. Yeah, so, so I was first introduced to

1078
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: this pasture cropping, UM gentlemen, and looking up column stas

1079
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: in UM Australia. He would take these perennial pastures and

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01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: he would say, Okay, if these pastures are going dormant

1081
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: during the UH box season and non growing season, what

1082
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: if I planned cereal grain for instance? We but like

1083
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: you mentioned planting your serial rye and I harvest. I

1084
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: actually harvest a crop out of this pasture in the spring.

1085
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: And that that got me thinking, that was mentioned in context,

1086
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: how can that apply to while life? Well, where that

1087
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: fit with my programs is we were looking to no

1088
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: longer use the plow and a disk and whatever. My

1089
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: clients have manufactured blows my mind the stuff they make

1090
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: on their own to destroy the dirt. So here's how

1091
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: this changed, and I ultimately called my program the Reload Series. UM.

1092
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: And you don't need me to do it, um. It

1093
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: can be done by anybody's source seeds. But essentially the

1094
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: way that I've worked the Reload series is I'm what

1095
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking to do. First of all, my goal is

1096
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: I'm really looking to a cool solar energy during the

1097
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: growing season to boost my fault hunting plots. Now, let

1098
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: that sink in for a minute. I had to take it.

1099
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: I had to use context. I had to adapt it

1100
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: for the deer world and say, Okay, we're not harvesting

1101
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: grain to run over the scale and cell, but our

1102
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: cash crop is a big old fat slaughter and rotten

1103
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: mature boxing. So how can I produce more of those

1104
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: jokers while following these principles. So I'm saving up essentially

1105
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: all my nutrients. I'm repriming the soil. I think Gabe

1106
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: was the first one to call it biological primer. It

1107
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: doesn't get any better than that term right there. That

1108
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: is that's such a cool term, um or priming the

1109
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: soil priming, the biology introducing what a diversity or plethora

1110
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: of micro uh microbiology and macro the worms as well need.

1111
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: So hey, here's that work. When you look at a plant,

1112
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: it's either an annual, biennial, perennial um it it prefers

1113
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: to see, might prefer certain temperature to germanate and grow.

1114
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: So I looked at the systems and in my area,

1115
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: I look at the soil temperatures. You know, you see that.

1116
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: I've worked with some of the larger seed companies and

1117
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: help them make the pretty map colored map you see

1118
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: on the back of the bag that has planting dates

1119
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: from north to south, and you can't nature doesn't work

1120
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: that way on the map. It's different every year. So

1121
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, Okay, what if we hit the

1122
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: soils as soon as I can. In my part of

1123
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: the country, it's March April when the soil temps are

1124
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: hit fifty five, you know, fifty fifty five degrees, and

1125
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: I put some of those cool seasoned plants in the ground.

1126
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: For me, it was like a you know, I called

1127
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: it a spring reload. So this is the beginning of

1128
01:05:56,280 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: the system. For me. It was spring trap spring barley. Obviously,

1129
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: all the legions, the rasticas you're gonna love that, um

1130
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: you know. So we hit the major functional groups, all

1131
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: of them again not necessarily looking to produce a fear

1132
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: food plot, but looking to prime the pump so to speed.

1133
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: And then as you know, the sole attempts war muky

1134
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: hit what sixty five sixty eight? You know it's it's

1135
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: pretty close. Soybean plant in time, guys, you know, farmers

1136
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: cracking me up. They've already gotten all the corn and

1137
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: horns and warm season grass doesn't want to be planted

1138
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: in the March April and the Yankee country, but they

1139
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: do it anyway because they feel the pressure. So if

1140
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: these guys are the corns in and now you're you know,

1141
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: you're seeing soybeans popped to start to get planted, that's

1142
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 1: when the summer redo goes in. And my summer reload

1143
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: idea was to past your crop or steal them from

1144
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: some of these guys, relay, intercrop tasted, no till drill.

1145
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: My choice, um, you know is the land Prize for

1146
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: great planes. Just what I've always used to enjoy them.

1147
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: Fill the hopper with um the green, then with summer,

1148
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: warm season annuals. Right, So you. You're gonna see soybeans,

1149
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna see calpees, You're gonna see uh sorghum. You're

1150
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: gonna see sorgums to dan um. You know, if I

1151
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: said soybeans, you're gonna see foraged corn. You're gonna see

1152
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: hubands sweet clover, which is absolutely incredible for your bees.

1153
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 1: By the way, it's like one big giant bluzz facet.

1154
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. And I'm drilling right into the pasture.

1155
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: So in other words, and then here here's the cool thing.

1156
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: I don't have cattle. I'm running my roller cramper ahead

1157
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: of my my rig. So I've got the roller cramper

1158
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: on the front, the drill on the back, and I'm

1159
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 1: drilling these plants. Now I get it. I understand that

1160
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: in order to kill the vascular system of a plant

1161
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: or the roller cramper, I eat, cramp terminate. It has

1162
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: to be like a straw. Right, So we think buck,

1163
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: we think cereal, rye oh sol those hate me when

1164
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: I when I try to cramp from they absolutely I

1165
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: have this battle going on with oats. So my philosophy is, hey,

1166
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: I may not cramp terminate, and of that spring planting,

1167
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: I don't care because I feel like I'm crimp terminating

1168
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: some immediately cycling those nutrients back to the soil. I

1169
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: feel like my roller crimper nature. When you when you

1170
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: study nature, nature really likes um uh, disturbance, destruction, It thrives,

1171
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: and that it's the nature is very resilient. So when

1172
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 1: I run that roller crimper, it doesn't. You know, it's

1173
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 1: not exactly like a bison. But by the way, they're

1174
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: running a buffalo here in North America or in the

1175
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: in the States, they were bison. Um So this whole

1176
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: buffalo system thing we in my biology background goes crazy

1177
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: when I hear buffalo. They're in Africa. Um So, I

1178
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: feel like it's it's disturbing and manipulating the soil, almost

1179
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: like the hoots of cattle or bison. If I could

1180
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,719
Speaker 1: get into poop, I'd be thrilled. But I haven't figured

1181
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: that one out yet. Um Obviously, you can spread manure

1182
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: and you know, do the whole see that whole deal.

1183
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: But so so you can see where the systems going.

1184
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:21,679
Speaker 1: That the system, the reload system of relay inter cropping

1185
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: or pasture cropping and looked ugly to my kids and

1186
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 1: they when they went out the hunt. But what they

1187
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 1: didn't know is there was so much going on in

1188
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 1: that biological pump that the deer knew it. There's a

1189
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: lot of research now on nutrient density, on how much

1190
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 1: you follow human nutrition, but we're starting to find that

1191
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: just because you eat your veggies doesn't mean you're getting

1192
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 1: the nutrient density we've once got. And that's not a

1193
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: surprise to those of us who understand that most of

1194
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 1: our all of our soils are degraded and will never

1195
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: be returned back to what they wants were. So you're

1196
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: spending the whole drone seasons for summer sort of prime

1197
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: in the pump, cycling that harnessing the power that solar energy,

1198
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 1: and in the fall when you put fall reload in again,

1199
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: which is a multi species cover prop. If you will

1200
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 1: um biological primer food plot, do you see much more

1201
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: growth and you see much more attraction from deer and

1202
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: and it's to me, it's one way to exponentially achieve

1203
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: what we're trying to achieve without having clients drop off

1204
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: the radar and just give up on the program. So

1205
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:41,759
Speaker 1: you know, when you think about these multispecies biological primers,

1206
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: if you will you know, one of my blends has

1207
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: seventeen different species and varieties, and it's you know, it's

1208
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: it's forward with We're not just throwing this stuff together, right,

1209
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: it's you know, we think about how every plant can

1210
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: complement another plant, but we're also thinking about how that

1211
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,839
Speaker 1: an individual plant can contribute to the our resource concerned

1212
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: with that specific field. So I'm not I can't tell

1213
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 1: you how excited I am with this series. Now you

1214
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: may you may have noticed. You didn't hear anything about pillage.

1215
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 1: You didn't hear anything about synthetic fertilizer, and you didn't

1216
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: even hear me terminate with chemicals. Now, some of my

1217
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: clients I can't tell you who, but one of my

1218
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: clients said, Jay, I love your dirty plots. And I

1219
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: laughed and I said, dirty plots. I like it. So

1220
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: now we call them dirty plots there dirty to us.

1221
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 1: And this goes back to when you mentioned you said

1222
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: it was your worst looking food plot ever. Um to nature,

1223
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:44,480
Speaker 1: to the wildlife, to the bees that you're trying to attract,

1224
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: and birds, obviously the insects. It looks like somebody had

1225
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 1: come in there and remodeled. Yeah, it's it's trying to

1226
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: understand that my appreciation of, let's say art, in my

1227
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,759
Speaker 1: appreciation of a certain type of art is very different

1228
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: than what a white tailed deer's appreciation of what this

1229
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: landscape or this art should look like. So I'm trying

1230
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: to reset what the expectation should be. That's a great point. Um,

1231
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 1: here's here's it. Here's one of the things that I've

1232
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: been trying to wrap my head around when it comes

1233
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: to building out these blends that you're planting at different

1234
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: parts of the year. Um. I understand the desire to

1235
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: have diversity, and I understand what that gets you. Where

1236
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: I worry or what what I just need about better

1237
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: understand is is how to get the different And maybe

1238
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: this doesn't matter what I'm trying. I don't know how

1239
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: to phrase this question. What I Here's the thing. What

1240
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 1: I understood about food plotting and planting when I was

1241
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: just learning about this in the early days, was there's

1242
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: certain times a year certain things should be planted, and

1243
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 1: there's certain soil depths that certain things should be planted.

1244
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 1: So I knew, all right, I want to plant brassicas

1245
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: I need to have it on a firm seedbed. I

1246
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,680
Speaker 1: needed to not get much more than a quarter inch

1247
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: in this soil, and you know, I want to plant

1248
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: it in early August. Maybe that'll be ideal. So I

1249
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: would do a strip of brass because and I plant

1250
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: that that way. And then I wanted some oats out there,

1251
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: some cereal grains or something like that, and I knew

1252
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: it was better plant that later in the summer. And

1253
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: I knew that wanted to be deeper in the soil,

1254
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: maybe a half inch or an inch deep in the soil.

1255
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: So I'd come in and I would in late August

1256
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: or early September. I would plant that at a different time,

1257
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: in a different way, and that would get me the

1258
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: best possible growth of each um. So that's how you

1259
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: used to do it. Now I'm trying to figure out. Okay,

1260
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: Now I'm trying to plant a blend. And in my blend,

1261
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: I see oats. In that blend, I see brassicas in

1262
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: that blend, I see a whole bunch of other things.

1263
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: And now I'm planting it the exact same time, in

1264
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: the exact same way. And I'm worrying, is that why

1265
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,560
Speaker 1: I didn't see some things come up? Or should I

1266
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: be planting these in different ways? Or should I be like,

1267
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 1: how do we how do you does that matter anymore?

1268
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 1: When I'm doing the diverse thing? Doesn't that matter? How

1269
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: do we account for it? Help me understand that whole thing.

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01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: I can tell you what matters if if you have

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01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: plants growing in the soil and you do not have

1272
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 1: bar naked, hungry, thirsty soil, I'm happy, dear, happy you're

1273
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 1: pumping carbon into the soil. And trust me, I've seen

1274
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 1: deer eat an awful lot of quote unquote weeds and

1275
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: we really haven't dove in on this word weeds yet,

1276
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 1: but um, dear will consume weeds for different medicinal purposes,

1277
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: and believe it or not, some of them are so

1278
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:42,719
Speaker 1: supernutrient dense. Um. I know, I've studied you know, herbal

1279
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: medicine as you know someone who struggles with gut dysfunction

1280
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 1: and take bites um and the stuff is amazing. And

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01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 1: deer there have this nutritional wisdom period and we'll talk

1282
01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 1: more about that too, But no, you know so so

1283
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 1: that one of the first things you know, I've heard

1284
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: since the early days and this company, even from the

1285
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:09,839
Speaker 1: food plot marketing companies, they would say, j you can't plant,

1286
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: you can't drill out of out of a no till drill,

1287
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:18,799
Speaker 1: multiple species, of multi sees, of multiple sizes, varying sizes

1288
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: at depth and as hogwatch that I'm here to tell

1289
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: you nature certainly doesn't doesn't that way, um, and that

1290
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: to me suggest you sit behind the desk and never

1291
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 1: get out in the field and really play with what

1292
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 1: this equipment that no kill drill. You mentioned that this

1293
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: stuff is amazing, that the things that it can do.

1294
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 1: So you know, for example, I've got um some of

1295
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 1: these seventeen and twenty and twenty nine way blends, and

1296
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 1: I will stay to be common and I don't even

1297
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: like putting them on social media because I never intended

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01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: to get into the seed business. I've consulted for seed companies,

1299
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: have worked with them. Many of them are my friends. UM.

1300
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: I never wanted to gain U the seaed in to

1301
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,640
Speaker 1: share my consultant. I sell my knowledge and sell my experience.

1302
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: But it pains me to see the nonsense that they're selling.

1303
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 1: Not just the products, and some of the products you're great,

1304
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: they're just not presented properly with with the right teammates,

1305
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 1: if you will. But this this idea that you have

1306
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: to plant, you know, clover at a different depth than soybeans,

1307
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: different depth than I know. Yes, I agree, if you're

1308
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: planning a mono culture, you may have better stand density

1309
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: if you're precise, like a grain farmer. But there's nothing

1310
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 1: in nature precise. So guys used to say to me,

1311
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 1: all right, if I put this multiple species plan, my gosh,

1312
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: You've got graphicas in here, which, as you know, are tiny.

1313
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: Some of the clovers are even smaller. You've got bats,

1314
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:57,480
Speaker 1: which kind of have their own shape. You have calpees,

1315
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: you have soybeans, you have some time. You have all

1316
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 1: the stuff in here that's just you know, point that's

1317
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 1: got the cubious seed in the world. These things are

1318
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: not going to grow. And that's it just had not.

1319
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: It's never been the case for me. And I think,

1320
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 1: and I've studied this and tried to figure out why,

1321
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,719
Speaker 1: and I think what happens. Some of those larger seeded

1322
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 1: UH seeds, the larger seeds will germinate with all this power,

1323
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 1: and they'll blow a rivet or a dvot or a

1324
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: furrow in the soil. Tiny will be, but they'll they'll

1325
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: blow that furrow in the soil. They'll open it up

1326
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 1: the sunlight and those tiny seeds, but clover also German

1327
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 1: eate and come up with them. Now it's for me anymore.

1328
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: It's not even so much as growing a twenty four

1329
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: in tall plant that looks great for photos. It's just

1330
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 1: putting the seeds in the ground because the soil will

1331
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: give you what the soil needs. In other words, I

1332
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: client did that. They say to me, this this new

1333
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: field that I want you to look at. I'm going

1334
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 1: to Alabama here soon to look at it. It's just

1335
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: full of the whole host of weeds. I'm gonna kill

1336
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: him right before you come. And I said, that's like

1337
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 1: giving me a book with blank pages. I won't know

1338
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: what to do. Please don't do that. And you know

1339
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:20,719
Speaker 1: if once you learn and trust me, I was the weed.

1340
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 1: And I've got clients and friends and my family members

1341
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 1: will tell you. We've got a long driveway up to

1342
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 1: our house. And I used to make all the plots

1343
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 1: look per perfect and phenomenal for those who come and go.

1344
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 1: And I would stop the vehicle and the way to dinner,

1345
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 1: run out in the middle and pull a weed out

1346
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,560
Speaker 1: of my employbean plot because it embarrassed me. Right, And

1347
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys who do this Now, I

1348
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 1: look at this differently, that we are telling me something.

1349
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 1: And and you know a lot of these Regen Ray,

1350
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: Archilbletta and Cabe and and Dr Allen Williams, who was

1351
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 1: phenomenal when he speaks about weeds, have taught me no, no, no,

1352
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 1: no no, read the weeds. And when you go back

1353
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 1: to the ancient literature, I mean, I've got to book

1354
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: here written in the forties or fifties, I believe it is.

1355
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 1: It teaches farmers how to read the weed. I felt

1356
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 1: the Golden Rod that you guys were you were with

1357
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 1: uh an apiary gentleman in one of your back forty

1358
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:21,679
Speaker 1: and you know, the Golden Rod is like a book.

1359
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it tells us so much about what's going

1360
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 1: on in that soil. So I didn't mean to get off,

1361
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: way off in the weeds. But no, literally, that's it's

1362
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: good stuff. I want to I want to get one

1363
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 1: more tactical question in on that whole diversity and planting.

1364
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 1: So so if it's okay we're planning all these different things,

1365
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: you're saying, you're making me feel better that I shouldn't

1366
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: feel bad about the fact that it all didn't come

1367
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: in perfectly the way it should That's kind of to

1368
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 1: be expected. But when I'm actually out there using the drill, right,

1369
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: it's the first time I ever used a drill, and

1370
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm trying to just I'm trying to figure out, Okay,

1371
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: I've got to adjust for seed size. I can adjust

1372
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 1: the depth, and then I can calibrate based off how

1373
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 1: much seed breaker. Um, do I err on the too

1374
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 1: deep and too much or do I err on the

1375
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: too little into shallow? And if I'm planning all these

1376
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 1: different sizes of seeds, um, how do you determine how

1377
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: deep you should set it? All that kind of stuff

1378
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: when you know that something is not going to be

1379
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,759
Speaker 1: a deal at that depth, Like what's the safest route?

1380
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 1: M that's a that's a great question. And here's where

1381
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 1: the art kind of comes in, right. So you know,

1382
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 1: for those of us, when I got into no killing,

1383
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 1: I was working on a second or third generation farm,

1384
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: not my family, but the previous that had been plowed

1385
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 1: for years. So it looked like Kansas. The dust bowl

1386
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: had nothing on us. It was crossed over, it was hard.

1387
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 1: You really could bounce basketball on it. So the learning

1388
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 1: curve and the art of using the no kill drill

1389
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 1: it's such that it causes a lot of people to

1390
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 1: get discouraged and give up and quit. And I mean,

1391
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: these are bigg farmers, not just good plotters. So initially

1392
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 1: you've got to work. You know, when I bought my

1393
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 1: first drill, I couldn't get the seeds. I couldn't plan

1394
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 1: a soil being for the life of me. I couldn't

1395
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:18,679
Speaker 1: get my cutting cultures deep enough in my encrusted soils.

1396
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 1: And when I called the folks a great playing plan

1397
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: pride out in Kansas, they laughed and they said, your

1398
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: soils look like ours. You're you guys are supposed to

1399
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: have good soils. Your soils are crusted, they're hard. And

1400
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:35,640
Speaker 1: I think the warranty max was like two or three

1401
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 1: hundred pounds of added suitcase wade or any weight on

1402
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 1: either side. And the gentleman there said, listen, we will

1403
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,640
Speaker 1: honor based on what we see. We will honor to

1404
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 1: your warranty. I want you to put four d pounds

1405
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 1: on each side. And I thought to myself, could got

1406
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 1: four hundred pounds. That's that's gonna be a heavy sucker.

1407
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:56,759
Speaker 1: So I went and I did it. Um. I added

1408
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 1: some suitcase wite and I got to the depth that

1409
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 1: I need so and I've seen, honestly n of my

1410
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 1: clients who picked up the no till drill and start fresh.

1411
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 1: That's one of the biggest issues they face is initially

1412
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 1: your soils are dead and crusted. There's no life in them,

1413
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 1: there's no aggregation, there's no infiltration, there's no biology, there's

1414
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 1: no armor, and you practically need swords cutting through it. Right. So, Kate, Kate,

1415
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, Kate, soils are ship When you think

1416
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,759
Speaker 1: your shovel, I haven't seen you guys think of shovel.

1417
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: Maybe you have, but I didn't watch all your episodes.

1418
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: I want to see somebody think a spade or shovel

1419
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 1: onto the back forty drive it down in there and

1420
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 1: smell it, feel it, look at it, and and look

1421
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 1: for aggregates. Soil aggregates. Biology creates a sticky glue schlomlin

1422
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 1: that finds soil particles together. So your soils should look

1423
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 1: and feel like chocolate, Kate. That's why I was thinking

1424
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 1: cake when when you when you being down in there,

1425
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 1: it should be. When I walked on David brand David

1426
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 1: Brandt was um, you know he's a note killer from

1427
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 1: the seventies. Um, and I've walked on his soil. You

1428
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 1: almost feel like you're on not a trampoline, but maybe

1429
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 1: one of those um those those pads launch pads or

1430
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 1: something that's a jim that's huge. You know, it's just

1431
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 1: like wow, you feel it under your boots. And after

1432
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: being on so many properties, I can walk out on

1433
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 1: the field and I probably don't even need to sink

1434
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: my spade into the soil. But um, yeah, I don't

1435
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:41,640
Speaker 1: know if I answered your question or not, but it

1436
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 1: seems like it takes them figuring out and that I

1437
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 1: that I guess I shouldn't feel bad that I didn't

1438
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 1: have it right the first time. Absolutely, And here's the

1439
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: thing within those field drill right, every time you get

1440
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,640
Speaker 1: a different blend, you really need to look at it

1441
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, this is what I'm dealing with. You know,

1442
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: look at the soil situation. And you know, I find

1443
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,520
Speaker 1: with most of my blends this reload series spring, summerfall,

1444
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: if we get about a half inch even three quarters

1445
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:13,759
Speaker 1: of an inch deep, we're gonna have a fantastic looking field.

1446
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: So you know, I know everybody hates the word calibration.

1447
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: I have clients who will say to me, what drill

1448
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 1: did you own? I want to buy it because I

1449
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: know you have notebooks full of calibrations for all of

1450
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 1: the sea and that cracks me up. And I used

1451
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:31,839
Speaker 1: to be that way too. Now I'll take the blend

1452
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 1: and I'll calibrate it because things changed, soil conditions change

1453
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: the drill. Even my three P six or six ant

1454
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 1: unit will change from the dozens that my clients are buying.

1455
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 1: So take it out there, and you know, if you

1456
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 1: don't know how to calibrate it, look, you know, look

1457
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 1: that up. There's an act actually that not a col

1458
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 1: I've never used it, but they say it's pretty good.

1459
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 1: But just calibrate that blend way what you get out

1460
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 1: of your drill. And that's the only way to know.

1461
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 1: You know, how how accurate you are when it comes

1462
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:05,600
Speaker 1: to cranking out the right amount of seas. Now on

1463
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 1: depth again, I don't care if you have. You know,

1464
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 1: from the very smallest of small right on up to

1465
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 1: the large seas, I find that if you plant at

1466
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: a half binch too close, closing in on three quarters

1467
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: of an inch, you'll be just fine. And you know

1468
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: the other funny thing is I get guys call me

1469
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 1: all the time to say, hey, send me a picture

1470
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 1: of what this summer relos looks like. And and you know,

1471
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 1: early on I said, I can't because I'd be lying

1472
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 1: to you that you know, you're gonna assume that your

1473
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 1: plot is also gonna look like that plot. But that's

1474
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 1: not the case. Your soils are gonna be completely different

1475
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: than my soils. They're gonna favor of different species and

1476
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 1: varieties in that blend and mind, and it's gonna physically

1477
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 1: look different than mine. I've gotten the point now, right,

1478
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 1: just done. Here you go, here's one of mine. Um

1479
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, and nobody's really said, hey, Mike, don't look

1480
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 1: like yours. Um, so, so that's you know, kind of

1481
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 1: what we're seeing when fork I like me the food

1482
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 1: plot results you got from your zero synthetic no TILL

1483
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 1: high h D high diversity plot. Man, I'm just like,

1484
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,759
Speaker 1: I'm down on my knees and the dirt looking okay.

1485
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:23,799
Speaker 1: Your soils pumping a lot of carbon or maybe deplated

1486
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 1: of carbon. And that's why it's you know, really favoring

1487
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 1: these boats and these grasses. Yeah, yeah, I can tell

1488
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:35,640
Speaker 1: you that, um the soil on the back forty is

1489
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 1: definitely not like chocolate cake. It is. It is hard

1490
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 1: and rocky and and so tough to work with. I

1491
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 1: I've typically put in like fake scrape trees price you know,

1492
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 1: people do that all time, right. I would cut down

1493
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 1: a small tree or something and sink a hole in

1494
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 1: with post hole diggers, And I physically cannot use post

1495
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: hole diggers to get more than a couple inches deep. Um,

1496
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 1: So we had to drive two paste in the like

1497
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 1: five years to be able to take one arm just

1498
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:10,600
Speaker 1: and a tea post in the ground. Yeah, that'd be

1499
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,480
Speaker 1: That'd be amazing. So I think that's a great illustration

1500
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: of what we're working with. UM. You talked about your

1501
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,680
Speaker 1: reload series, and and you've got a spring planting and

1502
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 1: then a summer planting and then a fall planting. That's

1503
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 1: different than most of the other rotations I've heard about

1504
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:28,720
Speaker 1: UM from folks, whether that I'm trying it in the

1505
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 1: hunting world or like a gay brown type that I've

1506
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: read about. Is usually there's got like a late spring,

1507
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 1: early summer planting and then a fall planting. So why

1508
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 1: have you added a third into the mix? What's that

1509
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 1: do for you? Well, there's there's a lot of reasons.

1510
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 1: Number one. Like I said, I'm trying to prime the

1511
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 1: pump as quick as I can to to get to

1512
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 1: where you know, I need to get. And obviously for

1513
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 1: my clients, what it all boils down to is as

1514
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 1: my friend Peterson's bow hunting, my editor on my White

1515
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 1: Sales column, Christian Burg always tells me, come on, man,

1516
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 1: these guys want uh target rich environments. That's if your

1517
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 1: article doesn't get me more target rich environments, I'm kicking

1518
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: it back. So I'm trying to figure out a way to,

1519
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, make them happier as quick as I can.

1520
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: Number one. Number two, guys like Gave aren't they're Their

1521
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: cash crop is not wildlife. It's not turkey, it's not here,

1522
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:23,560
Speaker 1: it's not quail, it's not pheasants. Their cash crop is

1523
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 1: a grain or an animal, you know, pastured protein if

1524
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 1: you will. So what I'm what I'm doing is is

1525
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 1: just continually I tried to again at same context, I

1526
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 1: tried to adapt those those six SOL principles into what

1527
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm doing, but yet have the biggest impact on my

1528
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 1: client's ball hunts. So while there's other things going on

1529
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 1: in that um, you know, I'm not planting the grain

1530
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna harvest. Honestly, if if my fields are

1531
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 1: full of every serial brand you can imagine, sporadically and

1532
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 1: sparsely scattered with legions of different types and and species,

1533
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:14,919
Speaker 1: I mean to me that diversity is what wildlife craves.

1534
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 1: And when I look at a mono culture, and again

1535
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 1: I'm not paying like if I say a mono culture

1536
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 1: soybean plot by no means that I picking on the

1537
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:30,680
Speaker 1: soybean threader or grower. Soybean is an incredible plant. Um

1538
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: the same can be said for clover. But unfortunately, too

1539
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: much of a good thing is a bad thing. So

1540
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 1: let me just I know you you're driving home on

1541
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 1: some some really good takeeaway points and something that a

1542
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 1: guy can go out there and actually do. I'd love

1543
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 1: to talk about the Reload series all day long, and

1544
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 1: and nobody needs me at my Raiload series and my

1545
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 1: goals to educate people, so they don't need me to

1546
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: blend problems for them. They can go do it themselves.

1547
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 1: But um, where are they're going with that? When when

1548
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 1: you look at I can't remember I was going with

1549
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 1: that anyway? Well, I was asking that, I was asking

1550
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 1: why you added that spring planting while usually I see

1551
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:14,560
Speaker 1: people planning something this summer and then it grows for

1552
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:16,680
Speaker 1: three months and then they drill over top of that

1553
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 1: for the fall, and then the fall blend continues on

1554
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:21,559
Speaker 1: until the spring and it green's up, and then they

1555
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: crimped that and plant their summer. So I was trying

1556
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 1: to understand why you added that third that early early

1557
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 1: spring planting to it, and you were kind of staying

1558
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 1: that so so the spring um. You know, the farmers

1559
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 1: and the egg guys. When I started down this path

1560
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 1: and said, well this is easy, Jay, you're starting to fall,

1561
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 1: they tend to think of starting in the fall because

1562
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 1: they've part of their crops and now they're they're planning

1563
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 1: for next year. Well are we don't really do that.

1564
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 1: Our cash crop um you know, occurs late fall November,

1565
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 1: you know, even over over winter. So my goal was

1566
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 1: to just keep keep pumping all those different plant types

1567
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 1: in the soil and really let the soil reveal what

1568
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 1: the soil wants. Now you know, we we do plant

1569
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:14,639
Speaker 1: um harry vetch was a plant I never ever used.

1570
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:18,600
Speaker 1: Everybody told me it's invasive. I've yet to see that.

1571
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 1: Um Cereal rock is another plant as as a food plotter.

1572
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 1: I should said never, I rarely ever used it. Now

1573
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 1: I fall plant in October an awful lot of serial

1574
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 1: Rye and Harry Vetch, And I don't know if you've

1575
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 1: seen you know, most know that I'm in love with

1576
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 1: my roller primper. To me, a roller primper has changed,

1577
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 1: completely changed the game. And when a guy gets rid

1578
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 1: of a roller primper typically means he's quitter, he's lazy,

1579
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 1: or as in Gay Brown's case, it's just it didn't

1580
01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 1: fit his model. But most food plotters can ploy a

1581
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 1: roller crimper and change the game on the weed the

1582
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:09,479
Speaker 1: week suppression situation big time. So you know these same plots,

1583
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 1: you know fall reload. His weight is a little bit

1584
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 1: heavier towards the brassicas. And then I have a product

1585
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 1: that you can't get online. I don't. I don't. I

1586
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:20,560
Speaker 1: sell it the clients, but I don't really sell it

1587
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:24,760
Speaker 1: put full Nourishment and Full Nourishment was designed by the

1588
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,759
Speaker 1: guys who said, Hey, I want to come in the spring,

1589
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 1: the winter, early spring with some serious ground cover. Right.

1590
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:35,599
Speaker 1: So one of the reasons to answer your question about

1591
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 1: the spring reload is many of my clients who wanted

1592
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 1: to start this process made the decision now right during

1593
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 1: the off season, and and we looked their fields and

1594
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 1: we said, here's the problem. This corn field that's not interstated.

1595
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 1: It's gonna be naked and there will be no soil

1596
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 1: armor comes spring. Right, that's a disaster for soil. That

1597
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 1: is not a function in soil. So we said, okay,

1598
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 1: let's get some of these. Let's get you started. Let's

1599
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:07,599
Speaker 1: prime the pump and get these early, cool seasoned plants

1600
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 1: in the ground. And listen, if you had done a

1601
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:14,599
Speaker 1: good job of planning in the fall like you said,

1602
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 1: and you put in you know, a high high density

1603
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 1: of um cereal rye and Harry vetg, you probably won't

1604
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 1: need spring reload. You're probably gonna rather look to delay

1605
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 1: your planting like I do. Sometimes I plant my beings

1606
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 1: in July. Um you know, maybe in June. If I

1607
01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 1: left that those biennials kicking high here in the spring,

1608
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 1: they'll get to a crimpable stage where I can lay

1609
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:46,599
Speaker 1: that map down and it looks like a shaggy carpet.

1610
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 1: Just suppressing weeds and really doing a lot of things,

1611
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:55,320
Speaker 1: maintaining ideal soil temperatures for germination, habitat for insects. These

1612
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 1: love it. Um, you know, it just goes on and on.

1613
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 1: What you about? The crimper a lot and I'm super

1614
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 1: intrigued with it. It makes a lot of sense. I

1615
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 1: don't have one yet. They're very expensive. What do you do?

1616
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 1: What do you do if you can't afford a crimper?

1617
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 1: Or is there is there is there any alternative? Or

1618
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 1: is it one of those things you say, you know what,

1619
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 1: don't buy a big screen TV US year say have

1620
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 1: your money and buy one. What's well, what's the solution there?

1621
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:22,880
Speaker 1: That's a creat you know. I was having to state

1622
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:24,599
Speaker 1: with one of my clients and he said, so, how

1623
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 1: many of these crimpers? Crimpers are guys buying? I said, no,

1624
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 1: the guys with the budget by it. Love it. I've

1625
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 1: never heard a single complaint other than I wish this

1626
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 1: thing could poop. The crimpers are expensive. And I said

1627
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 1: that to him. And this is a business owner, and

1628
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 1: he looked at me. He smiled and said, hey, you

1629
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 1: gotta do a job, man. You gotta bring the right

1630
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 1: tools to the job, right, He said, It's it's more

1631
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:49,799
Speaker 1: cost effective for me to ride my bike to school

1632
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 1: or to work or the town, but it's easier to

1633
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,920
Speaker 1: jump in the car. Get there so I can get it.

1634
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 1: There's no way around it. Um. You know, we I'm

1635
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:06,719
Speaker 1: working with High and J in Pennsylvania. Here he's cranking

1636
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 1: and we're now making a black drop time roller crimper

1637
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:13,639
Speaker 1: that looks super cool. It's the same retail costs as

1638
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 1: the crimpers from Jake Blanket, I n J. And then

1639
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 1: by the way, Jake is UM. You know, they were

1640
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:20,960
Speaker 1: one of the they were the first ones to really

1641
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:24,759
Speaker 1: take along with the Roade Institute these designs, the chevron

1642
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 1: pattern and say, hey, holy smokes, if we step on

1643
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:32,280
Speaker 1: some of the um straw like stems, we can. It

1644
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 1: was the organic guys who wanted to get away from,

1645
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, the cost of chemicals. So yeah, they're expensive.

1646
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 1: We now have we're cranking amount right now. They're getting painted.

1647
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 1: We've got three four and five ft flipover models for

1648
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 1: the A t V and the UTV, and these things

1649
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:51,599
Speaker 1: are very expensive. If you've ever seen the process, They're

1650
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:56,280
Speaker 1: very expensive to make UM and anything that's obviously expensive

1651
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 1: to mate is going to be quite expensive on the

1652
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:00,120
Speaker 1: retail side of things. You know, some of the A

1653
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 1: t V units are twenty UM, sometimes even a little

1654
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 1: bit less depending on the size. My clients are buying

1655
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 1: you know, eight twelve ft crimpers for you know, fifty

1656
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:17,160
Speaker 1: two six thousand dollars depending on you know, the particular.

1657
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 1: So while I'll agree they can be costly, man, I'm

1658
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:25,360
Speaker 1: a huge fan of a lot of the gear, the

1659
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 1: Mountain gear um today and you know, the Marino will.

1660
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 1: That stuff is not cheap. But I'm here to tell

1661
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 1: you I might go to eastern Montana and I'm on

1662
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 1: the Powder River one day. It could be ninety four

1663
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 1: degrees and I could snow that night, And when I've

1664
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:42,679
Speaker 1: sweated all day in my first light in marino wool,

1665
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 1: all I do is hanging next to my bed, and

1666
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 1: in the morning it's bone dry. So I don't care

1667
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:50,880
Speaker 1: what that costs, to be completely honest with you, it's

1668
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 1: it's replaced all of my Yeah, yeah, I hear what

1669
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 1: you're staying there now. There's some folks that have there's

1670
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 1: kind of a little underground movement that you can read

1671
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 1: about the various online threads where people kind of are

1672
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 1: trying to adapt some of these principles to a super

1673
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:13,799
Speaker 1: budget methodology, like you're throwing mo idea where they're putting

1674
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 1: stuff down and mowing the weed growth over top of

1675
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 1: it and using that to kind of get again. I'm

1676
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 1: sure it's not as good as going all the way,

1677
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 1: but they're trying to achieve similar results with less gear.

1678
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 1: Um have you seen anything about that? Have you ever

1679
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:34,400
Speaker 1: tried anything there? Um? Or is that you know parking? Yeah?

1680
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:37,760
Speaker 1: A good friend of mine, Tim Cooker, Um, who is

1681
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 1: you know? He's done some filming for me and he's

1682
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:43,600
Speaker 1: been on the podcast. He set out to He's very

1683
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:46,560
Speaker 1: mechanically inclined. He set out to make his own you know,

1684
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 1: roller cripper and test some of his own stuff. And

1685
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 1: you know he's used called the packers. Um. I just

1686
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 1: saw somebody share a video the end of day on YouTube.

1687
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 1: It was a a I think it was a Honda Civic.

1688
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 1: They were driving it through the feet old driving over

1689
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:04,400
Speaker 1: all this stuff to correct it down. Now you know,

1690
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:07,360
Speaker 1: I think any I love it? I love it. First

1691
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:10,640
Speaker 1: of all, anything that you are doing that meets the

1692
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 1: six principles, which everything you just mentioned did. Um. Can

1693
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:19,679
Speaker 1: we expect the efficiency of a broadcast and mode plot

1694
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:22,120
Speaker 1: to be that of a drilled in print? No, But

1695
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:25,639
Speaker 1: as long as your expectations are such going into the deal,

1696
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:28,479
Speaker 1: I'm okay. With that, you know, and I've seen people

1697
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:32,839
Speaker 1: in gardens take what looks like one of the blades,

1698
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:37,360
Speaker 1: attach it to or make your version of that blade right.

1699
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 1: You know, you want to be blunt, not sharp, because

1700
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 1: the goal is not the cut the stem, but instead

1701
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:46,439
Speaker 1: crimp the stem right um and preferably every six or

1702
01:38:46,479 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 1: seven inches. So there's multiple crimps, but one crimp usually

1703
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 1: does it. But I've seen people in gardens take two ropes,

1704
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:55,320
Speaker 1: hold the ropes up off their shoulders almost like a

1705
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 1: swing and stefana, you know, a two buy that has

1706
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 1: a blunt blade on the bottom and literally, you know,

1707
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:07,120
Speaker 1: step and walk, step and walk and crimp de terminates.

1708
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it can be done. It's just

1709
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:11,600
Speaker 1: a matter of you know, how much time you have

1710
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:15,479
Speaker 1: and manpower and and what your budget is. But I

1711
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:18,080
Speaker 1: guess for those and I don't care where you buy

1712
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:21,679
Speaker 1: a roller cramper, but for those contemplating, is it really

1713
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:25,600
Speaker 1: worth four thousand dollars or six thousand dollars or you know,

1714
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 1: on what you buy percent yes, no one has given

1715
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:36,559
Speaker 1: me a legitimate reason to dislike a roller cramper fair enough,

1716
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:40,040
Speaker 1: I uh, hopefully I'll get my hands on one at

1717
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:43,600
Speaker 1: some point, and we'll be able to test test it

1718
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 1: all because it sure sounds like a great way to

1719
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:49,600
Speaker 1: go about it. Now. You've mentioned numerous times throughout a

1720
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 1: conversation about nutrient density and the selective nature of how

1721
01:39:55,320 --> 01:40:00,160
Speaker 1: dear feed and how kind of how maybe the the

1722
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 1: cash crop the end result that we're looking for after

1723
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:06,160
Speaker 1: doing all this work to put in our our food

1724
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:08,280
Speaker 1: plots in a different kind of way that's healthier for

1725
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 1: the soil, healthier food plants and the pollinators and everything

1726
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 1: that does result in a target rich environment. Um, can

1727
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:17,960
Speaker 1: you talk to me a little about nutrient density, about

1728
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:23,280
Speaker 1: the things you've learned, um, along those lines. Absolutely, this

1729
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:25,559
Speaker 1: is this is good stuff. And this is where I've

1730
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:29,920
Speaker 1: really collaborated with Fred Provenza. For anyone who's never read

1731
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:32,840
Speaker 1: his book Nourishment, what a what an incredible book, because

1732
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:35,720
Speaker 1: he was on my podcast last and uh, it's just

1733
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 1: the numbers or through the root of people listening. And

1734
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm so thankful for that because he has so much

1735
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:44,760
Speaker 1: knowledge to spread. But when you talk nutritional density, I

1736
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:48,520
Speaker 1: think the stuff going on in human nutrition is incredible.

1737
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:51,000
Speaker 1: My wife gets so kissed at me, because you know,

1738
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:53,360
Speaker 1: she loves eating veggies. She's all about health, and she'll

1739
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:55,280
Speaker 1: go to the store and buy spring nixt and I

1740
01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:57,360
Speaker 1: look at it and I laughed, and I say, do

1741
01:40:57,439 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 1: you realize you'd have to eat four of those alix

1742
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 1: have the same nutrient density they had in nineteen forty.

1743
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:08,360
Speaker 1: Here's the study. It's been done. And you know it's true.

1744
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 1: There are researchers studying veggies in the grocery store and

1745
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:16,680
Speaker 1: they're finding, you know, meat, it's incredibly you have to

1746
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:19,679
Speaker 1: twice as much meat to get you know, the same

1747
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 1: nutrients she wants. God, so that you know, I actually

1748
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 1: hit that um industry before I came to the dear

1749
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 1: idea of this nutritional density and forages, because again I've

1750
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:39,320
Speaker 1: got this weekend immune system from lyne disease, and I

1751
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:42,800
Speaker 1: realized quickly that I need to focus on what I eat.

1752
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:47,960
Speaker 1: So here's the deal. The current food plotting model is

1753
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 1: really easy. It's it's it's full proof. I mean, everyone

1754
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:57,639
Speaker 1: can grow biomass um, but this is biomass really truly

1755
01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:02,360
Speaker 1: grow big, mature books with you know, nutrient dense plant scapes.

1756
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 1: I don't think so we could do tissue analysis then

1757
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:08,880
Speaker 1: we have, and you know, we're all about protein while

1758
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you that there are we have

1759
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:16,800
Speaker 1: more problems with too much protein in plants and animals

1760
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:20,759
Speaker 1: than we have with two little protein. This protein craze

1761
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 1: has got to go away. We just don't need that much. Um.

1762
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:28,360
Speaker 1: I get a salad frequently in a local restaurant, and

1763
01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:30,479
Speaker 1: the waitresses always saying, if you want to be protein

1764
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:33,120
Speaker 1: for that salad, meeting fish or chicken or steak. And

1765
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 1: I finally said the other day, you realize there's enough protein.

1766
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:40,240
Speaker 1: Plants have protein, to stop asking me that question. And

1767
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:42,400
Speaker 1: she just kind of laughed and said, yeah, I guess

1768
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:46,320
Speaker 1: you're right. But so you know, the way that we're

1769
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:49,800
Speaker 1: managing these food plots and and conventional act for that matter,

1770
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 1: is so very detrimental to the soil. Um, let's let's

1771
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:57,160
Speaker 1: let's convert it to a real world widlife situation. You know,

1772
01:42:57,320 --> 01:43:00,720
Speaker 1: with clovers here, clover, we've been breed in clover to

1773
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:07,040
Speaker 1: make it dear clover for twenty years, thirty years whatever. Nebrassicas,

1774
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:12,639
Speaker 1: same way, two fantastic groupings of plants, Love them, always

1775
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:16,439
Speaker 1: have them, would never plan them alone. When you pumped

1776
01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:21,639
Speaker 1: too much nitrogen in your soil with legooms specifically clover.

1777
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 1: We'll talk about clover. You're throwing that carbon nitrogen way

1778
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:29,040
Speaker 1: out of WI And I can remember, Gabe tell me

1779
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:32,200
Speaker 1: one time, just go observe some of these plots. And

1780
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you what to do, because

1781
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 1: that's not my job. That's your job as a biologist.

1782
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:39,320
Speaker 1: Just go look at And I remember sitting there looking

1783
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:43,760
Speaker 1: at one. Actually it was a client in Pennsylvania. We

1784
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:46,679
Speaker 1: jumped off the ranger and I walked out of the plot.

1785
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:48,840
Speaker 1: He said, Jay, I just frost seeded this. It was

1786
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:52,040
Speaker 1: probably February, Marks you can't remember. Just frost seeded this.

1787
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:54,800
Speaker 1: I know you see a lot of fair spots. Um

1788
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:56,920
Speaker 1: this is you know, the Stolen's did very well in

1789
01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 1: this clover. It's spreading, it's growing. But I had some

1790
01:43:59,479 --> 01:44:01,600
Speaker 1: wheat issue last year, so as a result, it has

1791
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:04,720
Speaker 1: some bear spots. He frost seated us. It's perfect. That's

1792
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:06,720
Speaker 1: a crazy start. Here's what I want you to do.

1793
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 1: Crank up that new drill you just bought. Talk at yourself,

1794
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:13,240
Speaker 1: some spring trip, a kally, spring barley, spring oats, I

1795
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 1: don't care. Get them all. Get them in that drill

1796
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:21,080
Speaker 1: full rate, and come through here and drill this quickly,

1797
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:23,120
Speaker 1: and he looked at me like I was crazy, said

1798
01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 1: it's not time to get the drill out yet. That said,

1799
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:28,560
Speaker 1: well that would you know Mother nature would disagree with that,

1800
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:31,680
Speaker 1: but just try it. And a couple of months later

1801
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 1: to tell me up and said, I see what you did,

1802
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:36,080
Speaker 1: and see what do you mean? He said that plot

1803
01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:39,599
Speaker 1: where I put the cereal grains in instead of having

1804
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:45,720
Speaker 1: I hate the term we unwanted plants grasses, I've got

1805
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:48,920
Speaker 1: spring trip. I think he plans spring trip on the

1806
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:53,680
Speaker 1: mistaken and the deer and the turkeys are absolutely annihilating

1807
01:44:54,360 --> 01:45:00,639
Speaker 1: this fresh, succulent plant, while my clover is spreading through

1808
01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:05,040
Speaker 1: stolen's and obviously the clover seas that he frost seeded

1809
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:08,400
Speaker 1: are also supplanting the field. And what he ended up

1810
01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:10,600
Speaker 1: with at the end of the season was a beautiful

1811
01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:13,559
Speaker 1: clover plot that I would be lying if I said

1812
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:17,719
Speaker 1: it didn't unwanted invasive grass weeds. But man, we certainly

1813
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:23,760
Speaker 1: used our heads and what's called a cultural weed management strategy,

1814
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:27,200
Speaker 1: which that's kind of important to talk about. Two uh, man,

1815
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:29,679
Speaker 1: I'm just going crazy. So so we went to college,

1816
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:31,519
Speaker 1: you know, we we learned about you know, here's how

1817
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 1: you control weeds. Mark, so you can mechanically control them,

1818
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:39,240
Speaker 1: like when you studied this, you know the great planes, right,

1819
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:45,000
Speaker 1: dragon plows constantly, constantly just struckt the soil. Chemically control weeds,

1820
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 1: or you can culturally control weeds. And I can remember

1821
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:51,040
Speaker 1: saying we would cover the mechanical the chemicals. Say wait

1822
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:54,200
Speaker 1: a minute, what's his cultural stuff? Never understood it when

1823
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:57,679
Speaker 1: I was in my teens in twenties cultural weed management.

1824
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:01,320
Speaker 1: And then I found the guy crap, this is actually

1825
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:05,760
Speaker 1: using our heads a little bit of planning. So we

1826
01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:09,600
Speaker 1: might be putting in a suppreshing uh smother cropper or

1827
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:12,679
Speaker 1: cover crop in the fall that's gonna suppress those weeds

1828
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:16,800
Speaker 1: in the spring. Takes a little bit of thought, right, Um,

1829
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:19,439
Speaker 1: that's where it's that when it comes to weeds. And

1830
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:21,840
Speaker 1: and that's probably why I gets still excited with the

1831
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:26,960
Speaker 1: roller cripper because I've seen it. Think who was it?

1832
01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:31,000
Speaker 1: There's a gentleman who who chugged me on Facebook from

1833
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:34,040
Speaker 1: Nebraska who says, I think Jason would agree, there's no

1834
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:39,200
Speaker 1: better feeling a crushing a five foot tall stand. It

1835
01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:43,479
Speaker 1: could be multi species, but Harry Vetch for instant clover

1836
01:46:43,640 --> 01:46:48,240
Speaker 1: cereal Rye oats and just watching this stuff form I'm

1837
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 1: not kidding you, a six seven inch jag carpet wheat suppression, Matt.

1838
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:55,320
Speaker 1: And then you hear the local farmer who makes a

1839
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:59,920
Speaker 1: living uh selling grain, complaining about Mayor's Tale. Mayor's Tale

1840
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 1: is and that would be like my high school football

1841
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:06,360
Speaker 1: team locally, who's not half bad playing one of the

1842
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:10,880
Speaker 1: missie teams. Mayor's Tale is a joke. Yeah, it has

1843
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:14,080
Speaker 1: beat us in the chemical team, but it's a relatively

1844
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:19,200
Speaker 1: easy seed to suppress if we just think ahead. How

1845
01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:21,519
Speaker 1: do you do that? Because I have a whole lot

1846
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:24,240
Speaker 1: of Mayor's Tale on the back forty that I want

1847
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:27,519
Speaker 1: to to take a new tact with this coming spring,

1848
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:30,679
Speaker 1: whether it be with food plots or trying to get

1849
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:33,800
Speaker 1: native grasses out there, switch grass, different things like that.

1850
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:38,080
Speaker 1: How do you deal with Mayor's Tale without chemicals so

1851
01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:40,519
Speaker 1: it so get culturally? You have to think ahead of it.

1852
01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:43,160
Speaker 1: Here's here's the thing about Mayor's I'm gonna warn you

1853
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:47,519
Speaker 1: it's gonna get probably worse than it's gonna get worse

1854
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:50,120
Speaker 1: fashion than it's gonna get better. And that is because

1855
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:53,720
Speaker 1: most guys who go to note till Switch, especially the

1856
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:58,760
Speaker 1: ad guys, because Mayor's tale really proliferates once you go.

1857
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:02,240
Speaker 1: There are certain weeds we sees that do better when

1858
01:48:02,280 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 1: you plow, and there are certain we see that just

1859
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:08,920
Speaker 1: crank full bore when you know till. And you'll see

1860
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:13,120
Speaker 1: that we'd profile shift as you change from cultivation to

1861
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:16,040
Speaker 1: no tailing. And everybody likes to point the singer at

1862
01:48:16,040 --> 01:48:18,560
Speaker 1: the no kill and say it just doesn't work, so

1863
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:23,640
Speaker 1: you have to study. They'll be that. Okay, I love football, right,

1864
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:25,720
Speaker 1: I love I love the idea of coaching football. I

1865
01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:28,640
Speaker 1: just don't like the parents, um and most of the

1866
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:32,439
Speaker 1: other coaches. But so good. I've studied a lot of

1867
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:36,320
Speaker 1: really well known coaches and they'll often talk about finding

1868
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:40,400
Speaker 1: the point of weakness. Right. So, Yeah, you may have

1869
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:42,759
Speaker 1: a running back that can run a four to forty.

1870
01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:47,240
Speaker 1: He may be extremely talented at patient reading holes. He

1871
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:50,479
Speaker 1: may have you know, a hell of a line over

1872
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:53,800
Speaker 1: on the right side. But if you don't have a

1873
01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:56,519
Speaker 1: center who can do his job, or if you don't

1874
01:48:56,520 --> 01:48:58,920
Speaker 1: have a pulling tackle or guard who can help block,

1875
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:02,800
Speaker 1: he's used us. And that's really kind of how we

1876
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:07,679
Speaker 1: If you don't understand your weakness and the opponent's weakness,

1877
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:11,080
Speaker 1: you will never win the battle against weeds. So they're

1878
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 1: you know, stare if they are. Is a really good

1879
01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:18,240
Speaker 1: resource um for folks to look at and learn about

1880
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:22,320
Speaker 1: the weed that you're facing and figure it out. Is

1881
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:25,479
Speaker 1: this an annual it's just a perennial. What what soil

1882
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:29,439
Speaker 1: temperatures and when does this weed germinates? So, for instance,

1883
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:34,439
Speaker 1: in a weed that germanates in June July, it's it's

1884
01:49:34,479 --> 01:49:39,040
Speaker 1: too late. Man, I've won. If I go into spring

1885
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:43,120
Speaker 1: with a heavy dance weed suppression matt thanks to my

1886
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:46,599
Speaker 1: roller crimper and a little bit of forethought, that weed

1887
01:49:47,080 --> 01:49:50,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't have a chance in hell of competing with me. Now,

1888
01:49:51,080 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 1: don't call me and tell me that you've got a

1889
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:57,200
Speaker 1: few of them. I get that's because they're right now.

1890
01:49:57,240 --> 01:50:01,400
Speaker 1: They're on steroids, they're they're super active. They've figured out

1891
01:50:01,479 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 1: the way out, a way to get around our chemical

1892
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:09,160
Speaker 1: herbicides and become resistant. You will still have them, but

1893
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:13,920
Speaker 1: what you'll find is there's a threshold with weeds. Um. God,

1894
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get beat by some of the guys in

1895
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:19,800
Speaker 1: the regenerative world for using that weeds word. But you know,

1896
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:23,000
Speaker 1: you almost have to but you'll get ahead of it.

1897
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:26,640
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of time. And you know, constantly

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Speaker 1: planning and keeping the soiled armored, keeping the soil covered,

1899
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:39,520
Speaker 1: and you know, again you'll you'll well adjust your tolerance

1900
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:42,559
Speaker 1: in your threshold as well at a certain point. I mean,

1901
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:44,840
Speaker 1: I know guys who say to me, hey, I'm not

1902
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:47,200
Speaker 1: coming back to your farm again. They help you until

1903
01:50:47,240 --> 01:50:51,559
Speaker 1: you kill all that rag weeds right, because they're they're

1904
01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:56,920
Speaker 1: snotty and they just freeze. Usually they blame the the

1905
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 1: golden rod because you can see it. It's showy. It's

1906
01:50:59,200 --> 01:51:02,920
Speaker 1: not the golden rods read leaves. So yeah, culturally you

1907
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:05,200
Speaker 1: have to you have to just do some research on

1908
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:09,200
Speaker 1: the weeds, um, find out what it prefers. And let

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01:51:09,240 --> 01:51:12,400
Speaker 1: me give you another example on weeds. Um. I get

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01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:15,960
Speaker 1: a lot of these cockle burrs and you know, things

1911
01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:18,280
Speaker 1: like that that stick to my dogs, stick to our

1912
01:51:18,360 --> 01:51:23,479
Speaker 1: coats when you're hunting. It's a broad leaf. And one

1913
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:26,479
Speaker 1: thing I did was I shoved plant pain and some

1914
01:51:26,640 --> 01:51:31,719
Speaker 1: other broad leaves in the ground constantly throughout the growing

1915
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:35,840
Speaker 1: season where I had. I mean, you could look down

1916
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:40,400
Speaker 1: from the tractor and just see these dcs millions and

1917
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:43,840
Speaker 1: millions of them, and you're thinking of yourself, Oh my gosh,

1918
01:51:43,960 --> 01:51:47,160
Speaker 1: next year, it's going to be a disaster, right, um,

1919
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:55,160
Speaker 1: But you could plant similar plants and culturally win that battle. So,

1920
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Speaker 1: so what about this scenario where you have a ute

1921
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 1: unquote we or really what about a grassy, dense field

1922
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:05,760
Speaker 1: of some kind of some kind of grass and I

1923
01:52:05,880 --> 01:52:08,920
Speaker 1: want to plant something new there. I want to start

1924
01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:11,160
Speaker 1: this whole process. I want to plan a diverse blend

1925
01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:13,799
Speaker 1: of food plots. But I've got a great, big, nasty

1926
01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:18,840
Speaker 1: field of I don't know. Yeah, so you're thinking about

1927
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:22,679
Speaker 1: something grass field that, Yes, that's just you know, almost

1928
01:52:22,720 --> 01:52:25,680
Speaker 1: an ankle breaker when you when you start out with

1929
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:28,919
Speaker 1: it and you walk over it, right, Yeah. So historically

1930
01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:31,880
Speaker 1: you would you know, use one of those other forms

1931
01:52:31,960 --> 01:52:35,040
Speaker 1: of weak control to then cleared out and plant something new.

1932
01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:36,640
Speaker 1: But how do I is there any way to do

1933
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:38,840
Speaker 1: that otherwise? Because right now I can't plant anything, and

1934
01:52:39,080 --> 01:52:43,160
Speaker 1: I could, you know, chemically burn it. I could burn it,

1935
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:46,000
Speaker 1: burn it, but I don't. I don't want to. You know,

1936
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:49,479
Speaker 1: I'm agamp you over use of chemical curticized. Now I've

1937
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:52,320
Speaker 1: chosen my property not to use them simply because of

1938
01:52:52,360 --> 01:52:55,559
Speaker 1: the impact they have on mile um and and also

1939
01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:59,800
Speaker 1: on the ecosystem health. But I seem no problem if

1940
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:01,719
Speaker 1: you want to use a little bit to get started.

1941
01:53:02,360 --> 01:53:05,479
Speaker 1: Um would I do it? Probably not the way I

1942
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:08,320
Speaker 1: would work with it, And every field is different, right,

1943
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:10,320
Speaker 1: I would obviously look at the field, see what I

1944
01:53:10,360 --> 01:53:13,760
Speaker 1: have to deal with, think about my resource concerns, and

1945
01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:15,640
Speaker 1: I would likely try to get ahead of that and

1946
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:19,680
Speaker 1: the fall growing season with a biennial, a biennial that

1947
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:24,320
Speaker 1: can compete with that. The next growing season, I'm gonna

1948
01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:26,439
Speaker 1: throw a bunch of diversity. I'm gonna throw a bunch

1949
01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 1: of plant lives at it and drill right into it. Um.

1950
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:32,280
Speaker 1: I'll probably crimp it in the fall when I drill

1951
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:37,560
Speaker 1: as well. And in some situations just ran into this

1952
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:42,960
Speaker 1: in Ohio we have found I've been talking to Rickenny

1953
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:44,840
Speaker 1: about this as well. In text is the soul of

1954
01:53:44,920 --> 01:53:50,240
Speaker 1: scientists when you're when you're gunning and you're aiming for diversity,

1955
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:54,320
Speaker 1: the one way to kill them is by plowing the field.

1956
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:56,880
Speaker 1: So what Rick did was he took one of his

1957
01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:59,519
Speaker 1: research plots and he said, okay, what if I lightly

1958
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:02,479
Speaker 1: did skid just to kind of you know, some of

1959
01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:04,759
Speaker 1: us want to level of field out that's been rutted

1960
01:54:04,840 --> 01:54:07,240
Speaker 1: maybe from the past, or you know, we're just starting

1961
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:10,680
Speaker 1: off the square one like you're saying. And Rick Rick

1962
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:12,680
Speaker 1: toldy one day on the phone, he said, Hey, you're

1963
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:15,719
Speaker 1: gonna love this while deep till is you know, chisel

1964
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:18,560
Speaker 1: world more plowing, Yeah, destructive, Never do get rid of it,

1965
01:54:19,240 --> 01:54:22,000
Speaker 1: he said. I did some light disking on the soil

1966
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:26,680
Speaker 1: and then just absolutely hammered it with diversity, just to

1967
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:29,920
Speaker 1: see if I could combat that light soul dis service,

1968
01:54:30,600 --> 01:54:32,960
Speaker 1: he said, And I got my CEO two bursts, which

1969
01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:38,280
Speaker 1: the two bursts is nothing more than um it tells

1970
01:54:38,360 --> 01:54:42,080
Speaker 1: us how much biology is breathing in in that room.

1971
01:54:42,640 --> 01:54:46,920
Speaker 1: He said. That's CEO two bursts, after really like one season,

1972
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:51,440
Speaker 1: got back to where it was. So I always tell guys, no,

1973
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:55,840
Speaker 1: it don't take everything you hear literally if you've if

1974
01:54:55,880 --> 01:54:57,960
Speaker 1: you've gone through all this, you can try to note

1975
01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:00,920
Speaker 1: till it. Maybe you're avoiding ken goals. Maybe you did

1976
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:03,760
Speaker 1: a light application of glass to state or two four

1977
01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:08,040
Speaker 1: D or whatever you selected and it didn't work. Um,

1978
01:55:09,080 --> 01:55:12,440
Speaker 1: you know, I still sold my disc. But I firmly

1979
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:18,560
Speaker 1: believe sometimes we may need to reintroduce a light disk again.

1980
01:55:18,640 --> 01:55:20,880
Speaker 1: A lot of this is kind of unconcested. When Rick

1981
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:23,680
Speaker 1: told me that I was, I was surprised. Actually I

1982
01:55:23,720 --> 01:55:28,120
Speaker 1: had just sold my disk um. But yeah, once you

1983
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:32,840
Speaker 1: get your fields to where you know they're they're plantable, right,

1984
01:55:32,920 --> 01:55:35,080
Speaker 1: I mean some guys are starting with stack lanes and

1985
01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:38,720
Speaker 1: early successional habitats. Obviously you have to get in there

1986
01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:42,520
Speaker 1: and you know, crushed and brush and then probably manipulate

1987
01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:47,560
Speaker 1: the soil a little bit. Yeah, there's um, there's always

1988
01:55:47,960 --> 01:55:51,800
Speaker 1: the context, and there's always different things needed for different circumstances.

1989
01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:55,840
Speaker 1: That that makes a lot of sense. We somehow, I've

1990
01:55:55,880 --> 01:55:58,120
Speaker 1: talked for almost two hours and I still have like

1991
01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:00,920
Speaker 1: twenty different things I was curious to talk about which

1992
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:05,480
Speaker 1: we haven't read. Yeah, we probably need to wrap it up,

1993
01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:08,640
Speaker 1: but we might have to have a part two someday.

1994
01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:11,040
Speaker 1: But I guess before we before we do shut down,

1995
01:56:11,320 --> 01:56:13,800
Speaker 1: is there any burning thing on your mind that we

1996
01:56:13,880 --> 01:56:16,320
Speaker 1: haven't talked about that you'll just be that you'll be

1997
01:56:16,520 --> 01:56:18,680
Speaker 1: sitting at night tonight staying awake because he didn't get

1998
01:56:18,720 --> 01:56:20,720
Speaker 1: to mention it. Or do you feel good about where

1999
01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:23,600
Speaker 1: we're living things? And that's a great question, I think,

2000
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:28,760
Speaker 1: um the for me, Yeah, and you may have heard

2001
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:33,200
Speaker 1: deep say this what changed the game for me? Before

2002
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:36,000
Speaker 1: I do anything on my property, on my farm, in

2003
01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:40,480
Speaker 1: my field, anywhere, and just stopped. And I've got kids,

2004
01:56:40,520 --> 01:56:43,000
Speaker 1: I've got multiple companies that I run, and I'm busy,

2005
01:56:43,080 --> 01:56:46,280
Speaker 1: I travel and I just observe for a minute, and

2006
01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:50,880
Speaker 1: I think to myself, does this fall within those six principles?

2007
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:54,440
Speaker 1: There are cascading effects all the time and nature it's

2008
01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:59,800
Speaker 1: never just one thing you're manipulating and changing. So am

2009
01:56:59,800 --> 01:57:04,760
Speaker 1: I doing more to pump carbon and into the soil? Right?

2010
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:06,840
Speaker 1: That's always my I want to pump carb but people

2011
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:10,880
Speaker 1: are paying for you to sequester carbon in your soil.

2012
01:57:11,080 --> 01:57:13,400
Speaker 1: Think about that for a minute. Could you get paid

2013
01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:17,320
Speaker 1: on the back forty by some nonprofit group a per

2014
01:57:17,400 --> 01:57:22,080
Speaker 1: acre basis based on the amount of carbon use sequestering?

2015
01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:26,280
Speaker 1: That's cool to me. Yeah, yeah, another income sources and

2016
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:28,600
Speaker 1: you're probably not gonna get rich, but hey, you know

2017
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:33,400
Speaker 1: it's an income source. You're stacking another income So I

2018
01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:35,920
Speaker 1: think you know, for me, it's all about carbon. Carbon

2019
01:57:36,240 --> 01:57:42,960
Speaker 1: is the driver of the system, is the currency of

2020
01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:47,720
Speaker 1: the system. And um, you know again it's just in

2021
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:51,320
Speaker 1: my my promoting the life and the soil. We we

2022
01:57:51,440 --> 01:57:54,040
Speaker 1: tend to walk on it and think it's just some

2023
01:57:54,320 --> 01:57:58,800
Speaker 1: dirty media for grown plants, not at all true. UM,

2024
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:02,280
Speaker 1: and I will I'll finished with this. As might mentioned

2025
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:07,200
Speaker 1: carbon the term carbonomics comes to mind. UM. I've worked

2026
01:58:07,240 --> 01:58:10,840
Speaker 1: with Keith Burns along with Keith Brian Burns his brother.

2027
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:14,760
Speaker 1: They owned Green cover Seed. When I talked to people

2028
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:17,760
Speaker 1: about some of my ideas, everybody laughed at me. Everybody

2029
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:22,080
Speaker 1: told me, you know, going crazy. Keith and the guy's

2030
01:58:22,160 --> 01:58:25,000
Speaker 1: Green cover Seed said Hey, what you're doing is exactly

2031
01:58:25,120 --> 01:58:29,080
Speaker 1: what we do and we love the idea. Come join us.

2032
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:34,760
Speaker 1: They helped me source everything from wild flowers for honeybees

2033
01:58:35,160 --> 01:58:38,160
Speaker 1: to the plants I'm talking about in the Rito series.

2034
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:42,120
Speaker 1: Keith did my favorite YouTube video of all time. If

2035
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:47,000
Speaker 1: you google Keith Burns b E r n s carbonomics,

2036
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:51,320
Speaker 1: and I mean people who aren't even into region. UM.

2037
01:58:51,560 --> 01:58:54,880
Speaker 1: I took micro and macro econ economics and college and

2038
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:57,480
Speaker 1: loved it. Most of the frat guys in there with me.

2039
01:58:57,600 --> 01:59:01,840
Speaker 1: It must have been an elective slept or to show up. UM.

2040
01:59:02,200 --> 01:59:04,879
Speaker 1: When he discussed with this, it almost makes you understand

2041
01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:07,640
Speaker 1: why our economy is thriving so much right now, because

2042
01:59:07,680 --> 01:59:12,320
Speaker 1: he simplifies economics into a dirt soil kind of way,

2043
01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:15,280
Speaker 1: and he talks about carbon So, how do you recommend

2044
01:59:15,360 --> 01:59:19,080
Speaker 1: you watched this video? We'll check that out. It sounds uh,

2045
01:59:19,440 --> 01:59:21,920
Speaker 1: sounds very interesting. All this stuff has been fascinating to

2046
01:59:22,040 --> 01:59:26,000
Speaker 1: me and it's been really fun to to dive into

2047
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:28,680
Speaker 1: it and start trying some things, you know, hitting, hitting

2048
01:59:28,680 --> 01:59:31,000
Speaker 1: and missing here and there, but excited for you to

2049
01:59:31,240 --> 01:59:33,240
Speaker 1: to learn from it and grow from it. And this

2050
01:59:33,400 --> 01:59:37,560
Speaker 1: conversation is definitely gonna help. So Jason, thank you for that.

2051
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:40,360
Speaker 1: And if folks want to learn more, people want to

2052
01:59:40,400 --> 01:59:42,400
Speaker 1: learn more from you, want to learn more about your

2053
01:59:42,440 --> 01:59:44,800
Speaker 1: products or services, all of that, where can they go

2054
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:48,120
Speaker 1: to find? It's all over? You know, I love when

2055
01:59:48,160 --> 01:59:51,360
Speaker 1: people just call. I try my best answer calls. UM.

2056
01:59:51,800 --> 01:59:54,120
Speaker 1: You know my cell phone is just five seven zero

2057
01:59:54,320 --> 01:59:58,680
Speaker 1: to zero four four zero six four. Please understand when

2058
01:59:58,680 --> 02:00:01,160
Speaker 1: I get paid to consult, you know, they get my

2059
02:00:01,240 --> 02:00:03,920
Speaker 1: undivided attention all day and sometimes even in the evening,

2060
02:00:04,640 --> 02:00:07,400
Speaker 1: UM with tenners and such. My my emails Jason, that

2061
02:00:07,560 --> 02:00:11,760
Speaker 1: drop time wildlife dot com. UM, that's probably the easiest

2062
02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:14,800
Speaker 1: I can answer them at all times. And then I'm

2063
02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:18,040
Speaker 1: not a huge fan of social media because it's just

2064
02:00:18,800 --> 02:00:20,960
Speaker 1: it gets to be a lot after a while. But

2065
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:27,840
Speaker 1: we've created a closed group called Regenerative Wildlife Agriculture on Facebook. Um.

2066
02:00:28,040 --> 02:00:30,520
Speaker 1: That is fun because we kind of pushed the envelope

2067
02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:33,320
Speaker 1: on some of this stuff. And then, of course, my

2068
02:00:33,560 --> 02:00:36,760
Speaker 1: my consulting company, which has been around for nineteen years

2069
02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:41,400
Speaker 1: is just drop Time Wildlife dot com. And my seed company,

2070
02:00:41,480 --> 02:00:45,520
Speaker 1: the drop Time Seed Company is drop Time Seed dot com.

2071
02:00:46,600 --> 02:00:49,440
Speaker 1: And I need to slow down. But the podcast, which

2072
02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:53,280
Speaker 1: is really my first labor of love, um, doesn't have

2073
02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:56,320
Speaker 1: a website. There's I am on Facebook with the drop

2074
02:00:56,400 --> 02:01:01,320
Speaker 1: Time podcast and um that I just realized I have

2075
02:01:01,400 --> 02:01:04,960
Speaker 1: waite too much going on. That's a lot, but it's

2076
02:01:05,240 --> 02:01:07,640
Speaker 1: it sounds like a lot of good stuff. So I'll

2077
02:01:07,640 --> 02:01:10,640
Speaker 1: be sure to be staying up on all of that myself,

2078
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:13,800
Speaker 1: and I'm sure a lot of listeners will too. So Jason,

2079
02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:16,880
Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. Yes, sir, thank you,

2080
02:01:17,120 --> 02:01:19,680
Speaker 1: and look forward talking to you the future. Yeah, I'm

2081
02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:22,440
Speaker 1: gonna keep picking your brain all right, Thanks a lot,

2082
02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:25,440
Speaker 1: Bye bye, and that's gonna do it for us today.

2083
02:01:25,600 --> 02:01:27,720
Speaker 1: Thank you all for tuning in. I know this is

2084
02:01:28,080 --> 02:01:30,880
Speaker 1: different than the usual. This isn't your how to Kill

2085
02:01:30,920 --> 02:01:33,480
Speaker 1: a Buck kind of episode, which I know is is

2086
02:01:33,480 --> 02:01:36,000
Speaker 1: always helpful, but sometimes we've got to think about these

2087
02:01:36,040 --> 02:01:39,440
Speaker 1: bigger picture issues. I think this is a really interesting

2088
02:01:39,480 --> 02:01:41,680
Speaker 1: way to do that if you want to learn more.

2089
02:01:42,040 --> 02:01:44,200
Speaker 1: We do have a couple other podcast episodes that we

2090
02:01:44,240 --> 02:01:46,360
Speaker 1: did last year that covers some of this. There's one

2091
02:01:46,440 --> 02:01:49,480
Speaker 1: with Dr Grant Woods. There's another one with the guys

2092
02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:52,720
Speaker 1: from Landing Legacy, go back check it out. There's one

2093
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:55,240
Speaker 1: the spring, there's one this summer. Those are very interesting

2094
02:01:55,320 --> 02:01:57,960
Speaker 1: as well. Another resource that I recommend as a book

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Speaker 1: called Dirt to Soil by Gabe Brown. This is one

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Speaker 1: of the best books I've seen yet on this topic.

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Speaker 1: It's it's very tactical, but also uses a story to

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Speaker 1: take you through how you can go about utilizing these principles.

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Speaker 1: So check that stuff out and I think with that

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Speaker 1: we will shut her down. So thank you for being here,

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Speaker 1: thanks for listening, and until next time, stay wired to Hunt.