1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. What coome stuff? I 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: never told you, but actuld buy Heart Radio now here 3 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: is a classic. We have to revisit, Samantha, because you 4 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: were not with me. You had COVID, and I recorded 5 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: this by myself, and I think you would have a 6 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: lot of thoughts about it. It is about what possession 7 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: movie tropes say about us. Oh yeah, who gets possessed? 8 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: Why did they get possessed? Yeah, all of those things. 9 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: And this was a Monday mini so I think there's 10 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: a lot of room too. Okay, you know what we're 11 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: putting it in here. It's going to be in our 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: October episodes. We're going to do this one. Yeah. I 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: think there's a lot to say. I have thought excellent. 14 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: Well until then, listeners, please enjoy this classic episode. Hey 15 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: this is Annie. I'm welcome to stefan Never Told You 16 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radio. Yes, I am still by myself. 17 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: Samantha is down for the count with COVID. Right now. 18 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: We've got a lot of travel coming up, so trying 19 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: to get ahead. And I will say for this episode, 20 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: I am largely quoting one article from tour dot com 21 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: called from the Exorcist to talk to me Possession Films 22 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: teach Us to Fear the Wrong Things by j R. Farasteros. 23 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: I hope I got that someone correct. That my good 24 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: friend Barry sent to me because he knows I love 25 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: all things possession, which is funny. I thought it was 26 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: kind of appropriate because we're wrapping up our religious miniseries Promise, 27 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: but I'm not religious. I am not religious at all, 28 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: but I do find myself drawn to these stories, and 29 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 1: we're really focusing on Western Christian ideas of possession for this. 30 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: My mom wouldn't let me watch The Exorcisse. She wouldn't 31 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: let me have it in her house because she was 32 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: so afraid of it. And I have just found myself 33 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: gravitating to a lot of these stories sometimes, and sometimes 34 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: that gives me pause. I'm like, why am I being 35 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 1: drawn to this when I'm not religious? And I think 36 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: that's you know, I don't believe in ghosts either, but 37 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: I love ghost movies, so I don't think that's necessarily strange, 38 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: but it is strange when a lot of Christian war 39 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: is wrapped up in it. One of my favorite movies 40 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: now is The X. And another reason this was on 41 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: my mind is because William Friedkin has died recently, and 42 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: I also happened to see the new movie Talk to 43 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: Me with some friends. There will be minor spoilers for 44 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: that in here, but not that many. But when I 45 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: was watching it, it just occurred to me a lot 46 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: of the stuff in this article, a lot from these 47 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: quotes we're going to read that. I was kind of like, huh, 48 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: it's interesting who gets possessed in a lot of these movies? 49 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: What that says. So that being said, let us start 50 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: with our first quote. Possession films are inescapably religious. What 51 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: that means changes from generation to generation and from culture 52 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: to culture, As fans of South Korea's The Whaling can attest, 53 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: The Exiorcist is undeniably the grandfather of possession films as 54 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: a subgenre. Directed by William Friedkin, The Axiosist was really 55 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: at least in nineteen seventy three, and it's based on 56 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: a book of the same name written by William Peter 57 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: Blattie that was released in nineteen seventy one. The Exorcist 58 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: was a box office juggernaut, becoming the highest grossing movie 59 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: of all time, a title it held for forty years 60 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: and receiving ten Oscar nominations, including Best Picture. Now, if 61 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: you haven't read about this movie and the reactions people 62 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: had when it came out, they're quite dramatic. People were 63 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: getting sick, they were passing out like it was a 64 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: very intense and for some people, very formative experience. I 65 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: remember when I first started at this job, I asked 66 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: my coworkers what was the scariest movie they'd ever seen. 67 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: I'd say over half of them said The Exorcist. Then 68 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: I would not describe them as religious. And it's just 69 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: fascinating to me that it had that much of a impact. 70 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: And I do think it's important to keep in mind 71 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: the time when this came out, and who was being possessed, 72 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: what was the story going on behind it in terms 73 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: of You've got your single mother who is a career woman, 74 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: and her sweet daughter is the one that gets possessed. 75 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: So that being said, here's another quote to that point. 76 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: The Exorcist is a baby boomer horror movie. Through and through. 77 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: The good guys here are the institutional church embodied by 78 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: the two priests. Both the book and film were released 79 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: in a time of cultural anxiety, particularly with regard to religion. 80 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: The FDA authorized the birth control pill a decade later 81 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty, which gave women control over their reproductive 82 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: system for the first time in history, with predictable outcomes. 83 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: Not just the free love movement of the sixties, but 84 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: a massive change in marriage habits and the twenty years 85 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: after that the pill was released, divorce rates more than doubled, 86 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: are the percentage of adults over eighteen who are married 87 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: plummeted into this milieu, Laddie and Friedkin give us the 88 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: story of a broken home in which a young girl 89 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: is tormented by puberty demon and can only find solace 90 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:22,239 Speaker 1: when a father comes into the house. As Jude Doyle 91 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: explains in Dead Blonds and Bad Mothers, Reagan's smooth baby's 92 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: skin erupts and scabs over into weeping, discolored mess. She 93 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: has outbursts of temper, insults, and resists authority figures, makes 94 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: display of sheer pointless defiance. She talks obsessively about sex, 95 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: mostly to shock people. She masturbates, she bleeds from her vagina. 96 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: In other words, Reagan becomes a teenager. Her demon is puberty, 97 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: and yeah, I would also add she curses a lot. 98 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: That's kind of a plot point. Is like, oh, she's cursing. Now. Basically, 99 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: she goes from like you're very innocent and heavy quotes 100 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: young child, too, not messy, angry, somewhat violent. I don't know, 101 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: maybe I'm being too nice, fit violent, obsessed with sex, yeah, 102 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: obsessed with shocking people, like saying things to shock people. 103 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: And she she is like she set the right age 104 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: for puberty, for sure, and she does. I thought that 105 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: was interesting pointing out, like the father has to come 106 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: into the house. I hadn't really thought about that. And 107 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: I also want to come back and do a follow 108 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: up episode about nuns now that the nun has become 109 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: this horror icon and talk about nuns and horror. But yeah, 110 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: that's how she's saved. As a father comes into this 111 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: house with where her biological father is notably accent, she 112 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: gets the church father is the one that saves her. 113 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: The quote continues. The exiosist is family based on a 114 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: true story and exorcism perform in Saint Louis in nineteen 115 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: forty nine. The real child was a boy, not a girl, 116 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: and he came from a two parent home. The framework 117 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: that resonated so strongly with moviegoers in nineteen seventy three 118 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: was entirely artifice, a reflection not of the true story, 119 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: but of white American anxieties. So yeah, that's I mean, 120 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: that's interesting that they thought this would hit more with 121 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: audiences that it was a young girl. And in a 122 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: lot of the extorcism movies I've seen, it is often 123 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: a young girl or young woman. I had a friend 124 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: say to me recently, why is I think he was 125 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: talking about Monster Squad. It's been a long time since 126 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: I've seen Monster Squad. But why did the virgin have 127 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: to be a woman? Why what? There is a lot 128 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: of male virgins about. But yeah, I mean, I think 129 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: that goes back to the ultimate corruption. In a lot 130 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: of our horror is young usually white girls, who are innocent. 131 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: But when it happens with men, I feel like it's 132 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: much more often usedes they kill their whole family or something, 133 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: are a very violence, whereas with women it's much more 134 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 1: like take their soul. That's just my experience. There's a 135 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: lot of movies without possession and extioucism. The quote continues. 136 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: Compare that to James Wand's twenty thirteen The Conjuring, also 137 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: based on a true story, though set in the early 138 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, the conjuring embodies the anxieties of millennials rather 139 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: than their boomer parents. The Warrens contact the Catholic Church 140 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: to obtain an exioroucism, but because the parent family isn't Catholic, 141 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: approval for the right must come from the Vatican, and 142 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: the Warrens are convinced the family won't survive long enough 143 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: for that approval to come. In the reality, the child 144 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: of another family did die in Bashida's care, and she 145 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: was tried for murder, with rumors swirling that she had 146 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: sacrificed the child in an act of witchcraft. The court 147 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: found her innocent, however, But yeah, that movie is very 148 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: much my friends and I like to joke again, I 149 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: enjoy this movie, but we like to joke that it's 150 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: sort of like superhero Christians like swooping in and it 151 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: is that the first one is very much about motherhood, 152 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: and that's sort of how it's like Basheebah's ultimate sin 153 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: is that she's killing these children, and that's how they 154 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: save the main woman, the mother of the family, is 155 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: they remind her of like how important her children are 156 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: to her, which is not necessarily a bad storyline. It's 157 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: just worth examining why that is. There's also a lot 158 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: of messaging about the dangers of not following God. There's 159 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,599 Speaker 1: a whole warning about you, you know, you need to 160 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: get your children baptized or else, sort of almost blaming them, 161 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: like this wouldn't have happened if you had followed God. 162 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: The quote continues ed Warren is successful not because of 163 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: the church, but despite the Church. What matters in the 164 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: conjuring is not religious affiliation but belief, a particularly millennial 165 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: attitude embodied by the phrase spiritual but not religious. Nearly 166 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: a third Millennials claim no religious affiliation, compared with just 167 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: thirteen percent of boomers and twenty percent of Gen X, 168 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: whose defining possession film might be the middle finger to 169 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: the American dream that is Beetlejuice. And I think that's 170 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: really fascinating. I think that's interesting to look in how 171 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: it's shifted with generations, because I would agree. When I 172 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: read that the whole spiritual but not religious, I was like, yeah, 173 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: that describes a lot of my friends. I even I 174 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: remember having a very long conversation with a big group 175 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: of my friends about this movie that was pretty much 176 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: about like the Vatican was trying to cover up this 177 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: lost I don't know part of the Bible, and the 178 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: lost part of the Bible was just saying, like the 179 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: religion is, it's not the church, it's not the stone, 180 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: it's not the building that is spiritual or religious or 181 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: is going to save you. It's within you. It's being spiritual. 182 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: And it was funny to me because I can't even 183 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: remember the day. If I just tried to some of you, 184 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: I bet some of you do know right in. But 185 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't like a really well known movie, but a 186 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: lot of us have seen it and had heard that 187 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: part like yeah, resonated. But the quote continues to generalize 188 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: a bit. Boomers love church. Gen Z rebelled against church. 189 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: Millennials look for spirituality outside of church. Gen Z doesn't 190 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: think about church much at all, which there has been 191 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: a lot of headlines about that recently. I've I've seen 192 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 1: quite a few, and we have been talking about that 193 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: in our religious mini series. Okay, and then here is 194 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: final quote. It's perhaps an unavoidable feature of Possession films 195 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: that they teach us to be afraid of the wrong things. 196 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: Often what's implicitly demonized is equality and dignity. Single parents, 197 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: female sexuality, grief. We didn't even cover how insidious Chapter 198 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: two demonizes transgender people. Possession films, whether intentionally or not, 199 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: communicate that a world without institutionalized faith is a world 200 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: where we're at the mercy of evil powers that wish 201 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: to do as harm. But when the institutions we're told 202 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: should protect us prey upon us instead, maybe it's time 203 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 1: to take our chances. Possession films, even those, as Groundbreaking 204 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: has talked to me, are conservative at their heart, but 205 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: maybe gen Z has the right of it. Perhaps those 206 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: institutions that have proven themselves so untrustworthy aren't worthy of conservation, 207 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: which I think relates back to what we've been talking 208 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: about in this religious mini series, that we have so 209 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: many examples of harm that these institutions have done, and 210 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: that's not to say they haven't done good and that 211 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: inherently makes religious people somehow wrong or something like that. 212 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: Not at all. I think it's just questioning, as always, 213 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: these messages that are being communicated to us through entertainment 214 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: that we enjoy, which I enjoy. Like I said, the 215 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: Exorcist is one of my favorite horror movies of all time. 216 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: I really love the conjuring it. But it has always 217 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: struck me who is targeted, who is possessed? Who does 218 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: the saving? And that sort of message is still there, 219 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of us recognize that. I 220 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: think a lot of us recognize that it's often very 221 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: conservative in nature of like, oh, why does it have 222 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: to be a virginal girl who gets possessed and is 223 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: being tempted that going through a few aka a demon? 224 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: I think a lot of us know that. But I 225 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: just wanted to bring that up because I have been 226 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: thinking about it recently, and in case anyone else has 227 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: any any other thoughts about it, maybe you remember the 228 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: name of that movie I was talking about. I'm sure 229 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: it's gonna come to you right after this is over, 230 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: or if you have any suggestions, Samantha and I would 231 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: love them. I'm really sad she wasn't here for this one. 232 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: I bet we'll have to come back to it in 233 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: the meantime. You can email us at Sefida mom Stuff 234 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: at iHeartMedia dot com. 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