Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed.
Speaker 2: It's spooky and kooky.
Speaker 1: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 2: The wait a minute, I go, said.
Speaker 3: Hiros Dress, Hey boo, it's me ros Dress Feles.
Speaker 4: I am currently hiding out in my home as I.
Speaker 1: Hope all of you are as well.
Speaker 4: Because that's just life now, and I hope everybody is
Speaker 4: safe and healthy and washing your hands and helping your
Speaker 4: fellow neighbor in any way that you possibly can. I uh,
Speaker 4: I think this is just how we're going to be
Speaker 4: doing podcasts from now on. I promise you that I'm
Speaker 4: going to do whatever I can and whatever We're all
Speaker 4: capable at Starburn's Audio to be able to give you
Speaker 4: guys episodes every single week. And luckily I have an
Speaker 4: episode today that we recorded back in the old days
Speaker 4: when you could leave your house. And this episode today
Speaker 4: is a little bit different than what you might be
Speaker 4: used to hearing on the show. We are talking about ghosts,
Speaker 4: but we're also going to be talking about true crime,
Speaker 4: which is not really something that we do on Ghosted.
Speaker 4: We usually stay pretty strictly paranormal, but I thought, you know,
Speaker 4: it might be a little bit fun to to add
Speaker 4: some true crime elements. So we have Patrick Hines from
Speaker 4: the very popular podcast True Crime Obsessed, and he on
Speaker 4: his show they recap actual documentaries that are about true crime,
Speaker 4: and so we talk those and maybe we'll give you
Speaker 4: a couple of ideas for some documentaries to go watch
Speaker 4: while you are hiding out at home. But we do
Speaker 4: talk about some paranormal ones as well, and we have
Speaker 4: a very special guest that joined us. We have the
Speaker 4: director of the very successful documentary Abducted and Plain Sight.
Speaker 4: Her name is Sky Borgman, and she joins us, and weirdly,
Speaker 4: she has a paranormal story about when they were shooting
Speaker 4: that documentary, so it's pretty cool. I also have a
Speaker 4: story that was sent to me from Alexa. Alexa says, so,
Speaker 4: I have had some sleep paralysis a couple of times
Speaker 4: in my life, and it's always occurred when I'm on
Speaker 4: my back. I told you I usually sleep on my
Speaker 4: stomach to avoid this because all the experiences with sleep
Speaker 4: paralysis have been terrifying. Anyways, a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 4: I woke up in the middle of the night on
Speaker 4: back completely paralyzed. I instantly knew what was happening and
Speaker 4: just tried to take a few deep breaths and fall
Speaker 4: back asleep. Before I could even do that, I felt
Speaker 4: myself slowly being pulled off the bed. I didn't feel
Speaker 4: anything touching me, just the sensation of being pulled. I
Speaker 4: started freaking out and somehow got myself out of it
Speaker 4: by turning over and clenching onto my boyfriend, who was
Speaker 4: asleep next to me. He woke up and I immediately
Speaker 4: said I just had sleep paralysis.
Speaker 1: Hold on to me.
Speaker 4: Him, being very sensitive to the spiritual world, understood and
Speaker 4: just wrapped himself around me and rocked me back to sleep.
Speaker 5: Ah.
Speaker 4: The rest of the night, I had very vivid nightmares
Speaker 4: and just slept very uneasy. Fast forward to about a
Speaker 4: week later, my boyfriend and I were at dinner and
Speaker 4: somehow the topic of sleep paralysis was brought up. He
Speaker 4: seemed hesitant to tell me something, until finally he told
Speaker 4: me that the night I had that experience, he kept
Speaker 4: waking up feeling like there was a presence in the
Speaker 4: room and kept having terrible nightmares involving me. He was
Speaker 4: awoken from the nightmares to me clenching onto him after
Speaker 4: I had just had the sleep paralysis, and when he
Speaker 4: looked at the end of the bed, he saw a
Speaker 4: dark figure standing by my side. He said he didn't
Speaker 4: sleep the rest of the night, and he just held
Speaker 4: me and concentrating on putting positive energy into the room
Speaker 4: until the figure disappeared. When he told me this, naturally,
Speaker 4: I freaked the fuck out and was so scared to
Speaker 4: sleep in our place again. I'm so thankful that my
Speaker 4: boyfriend was there to kind of protect me spiritually, because
Speaker 4: that wasn't the first time I felt like he helped me.
Speaker 4: Last summer, I got into a motorcycle accident and my
Speaker 4: boyfriend was in a different town. After everything had happened,
Speaker 4: my boyfriend told me that he had a bad feeling
Speaker 4: all morning and had a premonition that I was going
Speaker 4: to get in an accident. He said that he concentrated
Speaker 4: on putting out good energy to protect me, which I
Speaker 4: think worked because the accident could have been so much worse.
Speaker 4: Even all the paramedics were surprised that I didn't break
Speaker 4: anything or get run over when I was laying in
Speaker 4: the road facing oncoming traffic. Anyways, the point is I
Speaker 4: am so grateful for my guardian.
Speaker 1: Angel.
Speaker 4: Oh a Lexa sounds like she's pretty lucky and you
Speaker 4: better hang on to that man.
Speaker 1: All right, on with the show.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you guys, Hi Hi, Hi Patrick. I
Speaker 4: am I'm late to the game, but I am fully
Speaker 4: true crime obsessed obsessed.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I love your podcast.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. That's you know, Julian and I talk
Speaker 2: all the time about how like we forget that sometimes
Speaker 2: that people listen. Yeah, of course, because we just sit
Speaker 2: Your studio is so nice. Ours is not this nice.
Speaker 2: We just like sit in this hot, small room and
Speaker 2: drink bourbon and just yell at each other. Oh.
Speaker 4: It's so fun though, because it's weird. I think that
Speaker 4: there's like a definite crossover between true crime and the paranormal.
Speaker 4: You know, Like, for sure, I deal primarily with the paranormal.
Speaker 4: But I also like when I was going when I
Speaker 4: first started listening, I was going through all the documentaries
Speaker 4: that you guys, do you say recap?
Speaker 5: Is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we say we recap true crime documentaries. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I've seen like almost
Speaker 1: all of these.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I mean, everyone like everyone is document
Speaker 2: true crime documentary obsessed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4: But and it's it's just interesting to me that there
Speaker 4: is that parallel. I mean it's maybe maybe people that
Speaker 4: like because it's kind of spooky. Yeah, you know, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of things you guys covered that are spooky.
Speaker 2: We did a whole thing last Halloween, not this past Halloween,
Speaker 2: but the Halloween before, where for like six weeks in
Speaker 2: a row, we only did like spooky paranormal documentaries.
Speaker 4: Yes, I want to talk about the yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: because I always think that like paranormal like ghost stuff,
Speaker 4: which is what I'm into, is like sort of the
Speaker 4: sequel to the to what you're talking about, Like you're
Speaker 4: talking about like spooky in real life and then I'm
Speaker 4: talking about like.
Speaker 1: One in the afterlife exactly. That's where I live.
Speaker 4: But so some of the the documentaries that you guys covered,
Speaker 4: and these are all ones that I've seen and I
Speaker 4: was recently was recently rewatching The Devil and Father a
Speaker 4: mort Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a garbage documentary, but it's like, so it
Speaker 2: was made by the guy who made The Exercist.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, Bill Freakin, who Yeah, he's also I mean
Speaker 4: I love some of his work. I mean he also
Speaker 4: did Have you ever seen Cruising, Yeah.
Speaker 2: The gay documentary from the seventies, The movie.
Speaker 1: With al Pacina. Yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, you directed Cruising.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I didn't you guys, like that's like
Speaker 2: a historic gay movie.
Speaker 1: No, I can do even one better. He also did
Speaker 1: The Boys in the Band he did.
Speaker 2: I would have been way nicer to him if I
Speaker 2: had known that, you guys, Boys and the Band is
Speaker 2: like play by a guy named Matt Crowley from like
Speaker 2: the seventies pre aids. That was such a sensation that
Speaker 2: they turned it into a movie and like these days
Speaker 2: are unrecognizable to like today's gays, but it and it
Speaker 2: just had a revival on Broadway and they filmed that.
Speaker 2: They're making that into it like a new version of it. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I could go on about the gay history stuff for forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing about the Devil and so, okay, you've
Speaker 2: seen The Devil and Father Remore. You have to tell
Speaker 2: me what you think about did they enhance the sounds
Speaker 2: of her during her exorcism?
Speaker 4: To me, it sounds like, okay, So this documentary, for
Speaker 4: anyone that has not seen it, it's basically okay. So
Speaker 4: the director of the Exorcist is trying to he does
Speaker 4: the whole thing.
Speaker 2: And the staircase from the Exorcist. It's like, we get it,
Speaker 2: you may yeah.
Speaker 1: We know, which I'm a huge fan of the Exorcist
Speaker 1: as well. Same and I come from the Catholic Church
Speaker 1: as a kid, and so that kind of stuff was
Speaker 1: an ultra boy. Oh my god. See I skipped that
Speaker 1: somehow I was in the choir. That I was in
Speaker 1: the choir.
Speaker 4: That was my first time lip syncing because I could
Speaker 4: not sing. But my choir did a trip to New
Speaker 4: York City and so and I grew up in Michigan,
Speaker 4: and so I knew that if I was in the
Speaker 4: choir every day, I could do the trip to New
Speaker 4: York City. So I was lip syncing in the background. Yes,
Speaker 4: from my life truly for that bus pass to New
Speaker 4: York City to see Wicked.
Speaker 2: Wait, you took a bus.
Speaker 4: We took a bus from Michigan to New York. We
Speaker 4: saw Wicked and Hairspray.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what amazing tru that's the gayest trip
Speaker 2: I've ever heard of. Catholic church.
Speaker 4: It really was all Catholic school anyways, so this movie
Speaker 4: borders on wicked in many ways.
Speaker 2: Wait, your Catholic church took you to see hairspray, Well,
Speaker 2: Catholic school, I'm crazier.
Speaker 1: I know. Interesting, It's like.
Speaker 2: Harvey Firestein and drag the whole. Did they know that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, but this was which is not
Speaker 4: that long ago, it's probably a eleven years ago, but
Speaker 4: even then it was.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it's spun.
Speaker 4: It's just a man dressed up as a lighty as
Speaker 4: I'm like taking notes over here, like you can make
Speaker 4: a career half of this.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 4: So yeah, So the exorcism and devils and demons, like
Speaker 4: that's something that as much as I try to act
Speaker 4: like I'm just like, oh, it's all fake, Like they're
Speaker 4: still in me, Like it's still I know, deep down
Speaker 4: in there, I'm like that shit's really I know.
Speaker 2: I'm the same. I'm totally the same way I'm told.
Speaker 2: Like I was telling Sky and all my friends, like,
Speaker 2: I'm staying at the W Hotel in Hollywood, which is
Speaker 2: so different than when I thought it was gonna be
Speaker 2: like fancy. It's like scary. It looks like what I
Speaker 2: imagine the hotel cecil, not like not like because it's
Speaker 2: like like like gross or anything. It's just big and scary.
Speaker 2: And I've been sleeping with all the lights on.
Speaker 4: Well, I've been in both places. I've been in that
Speaker 4: hotel and the Hotel Cecil, and I will tell you
Speaker 4: it is no.
Speaker 2: Just I feel like I'm the only one on my
Speaker 2: floor and like the ghosts are gonna come and get me.
Speaker 6: For sure?
Speaker 1: Are their ghosts in the w hotel?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It feels like the hotel from the Shining.
Speaker 2: It's just huge. Those hallways go on for forever.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's creepy.
Speaker 4: I stayed in a haunted historic hotel this weekend in
Speaker 4: San Francisco with long hallways and it's like you can
Speaker 4: just in your mind start seeing two little twin girls
Speaker 4: holding hands.
Speaker 2: I'm the only one on this floor. I'm sure of it,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna die here definitely.
Speaker 4: Well, Hotel Cecil, which is Is there going to be
Speaker 4: a documentary about that?
Speaker 2: I haven't heard of it, but I hope that there is.
Speaker 4: I feel like I have given money to kickstarters that
Speaker 4: told me that they were going to get to the
Speaker 4: bottom of what happened to Alisa Lamb.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 4: So going back to the Devil and Father Amort, Yes, okay,
Speaker 4: so he's this he's is he like the head exorcist
Speaker 4: Father Amort.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like the head exorcist of the Vatican exactly,
Speaker 2: which like the Vatican, I think they would. They were
Speaker 2: saying that like, we don't actually that doesn't really exist,
Speaker 2: but it did and it was this guy.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they have him. Basically.
Speaker 4: It's interesting because the documentary is so much of footage
Speaker 4: of one specific exorcism, whereas do give them an exorcism
Speaker 4: to this woman and she is screaming a lot, and
Speaker 4: it is like an echo.
Speaker 2: We there's a mole. It sounds like they added like
Speaker 2: a monster sound. Because yeah, so I kept saying our
Speaker 2: episode of True Crime Obsess where we talk about this,
Speaker 2: we're like, it is completely irresponsible if they enhance that
Speaker 2: sound and they don't tell us that, because if they
Speaker 2: didn't enhance that sound, this bitch was possessed.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 2: The devil was coming out of her.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 1: It's very strange.
Speaker 2: It's a metallic it sounds like I mean, it sounded
Speaker 2: like a sound effect from a monster movie.
Speaker 1: I just find that so irresponsible.
Speaker 4: If you're making documentaries and you're doctoring them in that way.
Speaker 2: You have to This is why I thought it was
Speaker 2: such a garbage documentary because it could like if that
Speaker 2: sound is real, she was possessed if it wasn't real,
Speaker 2: and they didn't tell us. It's all a garbage document.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody is. And who will know?
Speaker 2: I never know.
Speaker 4: I know well because I listened to three specific paranormal
Speaker 4: ones that you covered, and.
Speaker 2: Zach Beggins ones.
Speaker 1: Demon House.
Speaker 2: I was pointing himself into that house.
Speaker 1: It's demon House, right, I was Demon House. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get that one confused with hell House.
Speaker 4: Okay, demon House, I okay, it's so ridiculous. I found
Speaker 4: it scary when I watched it. But you guys definitely
Speaker 4: point out some things that make me like you guys.
Speaker 2: In this movie they said, so this is the house
Speaker 2: that they call like the most haunted house in America, right,
Speaker 2: And in this house a family reported that they're like
Speaker 2: six year old son, you guys, I'm I mean this
Speaker 2: literally walked up the wall, like parallel to the floor,
Speaker 2: walked up the wall, and like this is bonkers. And
Speaker 2: then so so like they move out of the house
Speaker 2: because everyone's possessed and everyone's from the devil. And Zach
Speaker 2: Baggins buys because of course that's what she does, and
Speaker 2: then he goes to the hospital and then the hospital
Speaker 2: workers are like, oh, yeah, we saw walk up the
Speaker 2: wall too, Like it's.
Speaker 1: What, Yeah, it's very strange. There's there's a lot of things.
Speaker 4: I just imagine it has to be really hard to
Speaker 4: make a documentary about paranormal stuff if you're not capturing
Speaker 4: it on film, because you still have to make.
Speaker 2: A movie and that good at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. I'm I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's hard to.
Speaker 2: It's scary though, because like they go down to the basement,
Speaker 2: which is like where the hell stuff was coming from,
Speaker 2: and they're like digging up the floor and it's kind
Speaker 2: of scary. But then they never find anything. And then
Speaker 2: they've got those like Ghostbusters machines. Yeah, they're like it,
Speaker 2: only the machine only makes sense to the guy who
Speaker 2: owns it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And this whole thing is actually bringing up something that
Speaker 4: I just remembered. I got full on bamboozled by a
Speaker 4: documentary that I thought was a documentary called The black
Speaker 4: Well Ghost.
Speaker 1: Did you ever hear about it? Okay?
Speaker 4: Well, because it's okay, so it's on Amazon. Sometimes I'm
Speaker 4: the kind of person that I go to Amazon and
Speaker 4: I see documentaries in theaters, like I'm a docum mention
Speaker 4: that person.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'll go to the documentary section and just
Speaker 4: scroll through and see what we got. Yeah, and the
Speaker 4: paranormal ones, there's a lot that are like pretty uh
Speaker 4: not great, but there are. There was this one that
Speaker 4: is called The Blackwell Ghost, and I saw it and
Speaker 4: it has the spooky picture of this woman on the cover,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I'm here's.
Speaker 2: My three ninety nine Amazon Prime exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So actually I think it was free the first one.
Speaker 4: The first one's on the house, and then there's like
Speaker 4: five other ones. So I put it out and I'm like,
Speaker 4: this is the scariest thing ever.
Speaker 1: It's this man.
Speaker 4: He goes to this haunted house and he's full on
Speaker 4: filming everything. He's got camera set up and and it's terrifying.
Speaker 4: So then I'm like, I'm gonna google this. There's like
Speaker 4: no information about any of this, it's all maybe it is.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's real.
Speaker 4: Look it up. Look it up for yourself. It's called
Speaker 4: the Blackwell Ghost. There's like five sequels. You better believe
Speaker 4: I bought all of them.
Speaker 2: I want it to be real and look at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, I want this all to be real. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Well, because okay, so I've listened to three pair of
Speaker 4: normal documentaries that you guys covered, and it seems like.
Speaker 1: All of them you think are fake.
Speaker 2: What's the other one? So we did?
Speaker 4: The third one was Oh My Amneyville Horror, which is
Speaker 4: another one I've.
Speaker 2: Seen, Yeah, which that guy's a mess, the guy that
Speaker 2: it's told from the point of view of the kid
Speaker 2: who was like the youngest kid in the Amityville Horror family,
Speaker 2: and he seems like he seems like somebody you don't
Speaker 2: want to run into at a bar, like he's scary.
Speaker 4: Well, it's been a couple of years since I've seen it. Now,
Speaker 4: that one I'm very conflicted on because there's lots of
Speaker 4: uh there's been many uh critiques on the Amnyville case,
Speaker 4: like that family, Yeah, the Lutz family, many people have
Speaker 4: said have kind of you know, hoaxed the whole thing,
Speaker 4: and no one knows what's real.
Speaker 2: I mean, some really terrible shit happened in that house.
Speaker 2: I mean, like that before the lets has moved in there, obviously,
Speaker 2: like one of the the kid of that family went
Speaker 2: and killed the whole family. So, like, if a place
Speaker 2: is gonna be haunted, that would make some sense to me.
Speaker 1: Definitely.
Speaker 2: The problem with what the Lutzes did was that they
Speaker 2: were like, it's demons coming from the basement, and like,
Speaker 2: you know, of all the families that have lived in
Speaker 2: that house since everyone's like, no, it's fine, girl, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: everything's okay in here. Yeah, you know, And we actually,
Speaker 2: when I was younger, we drove, we like rented a
Speaker 2: car and drove out to look at the house. The
Speaker 2: neighbors on the street don't like it when you do that.
Speaker 1: You can only imagine.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, the thing about the Amityville
Speaker 2: Horror House is that it's like, you know, it's on
Speaker 2: like a half acre lot, Like it's you know, fifteen
Speaker 2: feet on either side is like the next it's just
Speaker 2: a little neighborhood. Yeah, so kind of like, well, if
Speaker 2: demons were coming out of the basement, don't you think
Speaker 2: like the neighbors would have seen something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder if I need It's been quite a
Speaker 4: few years since I've gone deep into the Amnyville case,
Speaker 4: but I wonder what the neighbors had to say about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where are the neighbor. Where's like, you know, where's
Speaker 2: Martha from next door? Who you know exactly? Like I mean,
Speaker 2: it's you know, it just it's one of like again,
Speaker 2: I want it to be real, not that I want
Speaker 2: these people to like suffer or whatever, but like I
Speaker 2: want to believe these people.
Speaker 4: Well, but here's the thing where I get real conflicted
Speaker 4: is that kween Laraede Warrin. But so yeah, it's very
Speaker 4: interesting because like she did take that photo of the
Speaker 4: little boy ghost in that house, yeah, and which they
Speaker 4: talk about in that documentary.
Speaker 2: And it's like, again, it makes sense to me that
Speaker 2: the house would be haunted, Like I mean, that some
Speaker 2: horrible should happen there. It's just like to the extent that,
Speaker 2: like I mean, if it's really true what this kid
Speaker 2: says in the Amityville, Miamiville horror, like they moved in
Speaker 2: and were sleeping on the bloody mattresses of like the
Speaker 2: murdered family that I'd like just moved out or you know,
Speaker 2: moved out, moved out to heaven, as I said in
Speaker 2: the podcast.
Speaker 4: Well, either way, I find it very interesting to see
Speaker 4: the the after effects of somebody that grew up not
Speaker 4: even maybe in an incredibly haunted house, but also in
Speaker 4: like the crazy media storm of just being like a
Speaker 4: normal person that like, all of a sudden there's a
Speaker 4: movie about your house and.
Speaker 2: Dad, like the George Lutz or whatever seemed like a
Speaker 2: two hot old garbage dada I. And you know, this
Speaker 2: kid was like running away from the time he was
Speaker 2: like eleven. Like, he definitely has some serious, I think
Speaker 2: mental health issues.
Speaker 1: Well I'm sure. I mean, if you're seeing a pig
Speaker 1: with wolf teeth and laser eyes in the right exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: So what are your beliefs. Do you believe in ghosts?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I do. I definitely do. I mean
Speaker 2: I'm one of those people who, like, you know, I
Speaker 2: like I don't believe in the Bible, but I believe
Speaker 2: in God. You know, I'm like I believe that Jesus
Speaker 2: was like a real person, but like not the way
Speaker 2: that most people think he was. And like, so when
Speaker 2: it comes to that sort of thing, like I sort
Speaker 2: of walk my own path with my belief systems, and
Speaker 2: so I definitely believe in ghosts. I certainly feel like
Speaker 2: I've had paranormal experiences. Yeah, I was telling the crew
Speaker 2: outside before that when I forgot this. When I was
Speaker 2: a kid, I had real serious, like psychic dreams. I
Speaker 2: had like premonitions of meaning what I'm trying to remember now,
Speaker 2: but like I dumb things from like I would be
Speaker 2: singing a song and then it would be the next
Speaker 2: song that would come on the radio. Like little things
Speaker 2: like that too. I used to like have conversations with
Speaker 2: my dead grandparents where I never met, like my mom's parents,
Speaker 2: who my mom would be like, yeah, my mom totally
Speaker 2: used to say that, like things like that, and then
Speaker 2: I would see things like I would like especially you
Speaker 2: know I was saying, I used to have out of
Speaker 2: body experiences a lot, and really it just like I
Speaker 2: definitely had the sleep paralysis thing and some like like
Speaker 2: out of body experiences when I was young, when I
Speaker 2: was like you know, when I was like a middle
Speaker 2: school aged and I hated it. I mean like I
Speaker 2: really really hated it. I thought it was terrifying. I
Speaker 2: definitely felt in tune into like things that people couldn't see.
Speaker 2: And I remember talking to my mom about it. And
Speaker 2: my mom is a lesbian, but she was also very
Speaker 2: is my mom's still with us, thank thank thank the Lord.
Speaker 2: And she was also very you know, was also very religious,
Speaker 2: and my mom used to say to me, like, if
Speaker 2: you don't want this, you have to like pray to
Speaker 2: make it go away, like because it will only get stronger.
Speaker 2: And I remember being like eleven and twelve years old
Speaker 2: and going to bed at night and praying like I
Speaker 2: don't want this. I don't want to see ghosts, I
Speaker 2: don't want to feel things. I don't want to like
Speaker 2: know things or have like like dream conversations with my
Speaker 2: dead grandparents. And it went away. I mean, like like
Speaker 2: I haven't felt like that. I mean, I certainly have
Speaker 2: moments of like where I can sort of like feel
Speaker 2: an energy in a room or whatever, but as far
Speaker 2: as like leaning into the like you know, out of
Speaker 2: bodied sleep paralysis sort of like seeing things. I mean,
Speaker 2: I remember one time I was taking a nap. This
Speaker 2: was when I was in like eighth grade, and I
Speaker 2: remember I woke up and I couldn't move. I was
Speaker 2: completely paralyzed, but I was awake, and I saw like
Speaker 2: an old woman floating in the corner of my room,
Speaker 2: and like a chair, like a chair with nobody in it.
Speaker 1: And it was chair was also floating.
Speaker 2: The chair was also floating, and it was very like
Speaker 2: I mean, and I remember being truly paralyzed like I
Speaker 2: and I was like, is this just what life is? Now?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Am I just like living in a horror show?
Speaker 1: Now? What was this woman doing just staring at you?
Speaker 2: No, she didn't. It wasn't paying any attention to me.
Speaker 2: She was wearing like period clothes, like from like I
Speaker 2: don't eat Like she was like like a big woman
Speaker 2: wearing like, you know, clothes I would associate with, like
Speaker 2: the eighteen hundreds totally, and it was I've literally never
Speaker 2: told this to anybody. Exclusive Exclusive Chilian is listening right now.
Speaker 2: She's like, that's shut up, but like, I you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean that's one of my strongest memories. I have another.
Speaker 1: How did that end?
Speaker 2: I think that I probably went back to sleep and
Speaker 2: woke up. I mean, like that's kind of how I
Speaker 2: remember it.
Speaker 4: Like my god, yeah, that eighteen hundreds is like prime
Speaker 4: ghost fashion.
Speaker 2: God, like what do they want?
Speaker 1: I feel?
Speaker 2: Just be dead?
Speaker 4: You guys, I know that sounds to me like the
Speaker 4: the quintessential central casting ghostly totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like a Victorian dress or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was big and blue and it was like
Speaker 2: billowy and she was like a big, heavy woman. I
Speaker 2: just remember it, like her floating in the corner and
Speaker 2: like I could see her clear as I'm seeing you.
Speaker 1: Did you do you?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Do you have sleeper paralysis?
Speaker 2: Still? Of course I will tonight in the fucking terrifying
Speaker 2: w hotel.
Speaker 1: But do you sleep on your back or on your stomach?
Speaker 1: That's my question.
Speaker 2: I used to sleep on my back, and after I
Speaker 2: got married, my husband is a stomach sleeper, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that looks fun. So now I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like an all over the place sleeper.
Speaker 1: This is great.
Speaker 4: You're helping out my case because I always say that
Speaker 4: sleep paralysis I believe because I've heard this happens on
Speaker 4: your back.
Speaker 2: This was for sure on my back. I remember, I
Speaker 2: remember being on my back. Yeah, you guys, don't sleep
Speaker 2: on your back. It's gonna kill you.
Speaker 4: So I'm saying, but you get wrinkles on your face,
Speaker 4: so I choose the wrinkle my face.
Speaker 2: Look, my face was never my money maker.
Speaker 1: Wait, what was your other ghost story? You had another one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I was a real So this one's kind
Speaker 2: of crazy. When I was like when I was probably
Speaker 2: nine or no, maybe I was older than that. I
Speaker 2: was probably ten or eleven, My younger brother and I
Speaker 2: shared a room, and from where our beds were, I
Speaker 2: could see the top of the stairs in the hallway,
Speaker 2: and I remember waking up in the middle of the
Speaker 2: night and this like old woman in a nun's habit
Speaker 2: just like like materialized, excuse me, at the top of
Speaker 2: the stairs, and she walked into the room and I
Speaker 2: sat up, and she like motioned for me to like
Speaker 2: lie back down, and she sat on my brother's bed
Speaker 2: and started petting his hair. Ew I know, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't scary. It was just kind of like, oh, this
Speaker 2: is happening. And I went back to bed. And the
Speaker 2: next morning I woke up and I told my mother
Speaker 2: about it, and she said, wow, like what other details
Speaker 2: you remember? And you know whatever. And then a few
Speaker 2: days later, this is the weirdest part, because my mom
Speaker 2: was always reading like spiritual books and like sort of
Speaker 2: like that sort of like weird sort of thing. I
Speaker 2: walked into my mom's room and on her desk she
Speaker 2: had a book and there was the woman's face that
Speaker 2: I had scene in my room was on the cover
Speaker 2: of this book. And I told my mother and my
Speaker 2: mother went white and she's like that's the death Crone.
Speaker 2: What it was a book about the Death Crone, whatever
Speaker 2: the hell that is. And my mom was terrified for
Speaker 2: days that my brother was gonna die.
Speaker 1: Wait, what's the death Crone?
Speaker 2: Apparently it's like the lady version of the Grim Reaper.
Speaker 1: No way, I guess. So did anybody die?
Speaker 2: No, nobody died, We're all still here. Interesting what if
Speaker 2: I was like, well, actually, a week later, my brother
Speaker 2: was hit by a bus.
Speaker 1: Now I know.
Speaker 4: Wait, okay, so this is uh wait the Crone Goddess.
Speaker 4: I wonder if that's the same thing. I'm trying to
Speaker 4: google this right now.
Speaker 2: The death Crone. I don't know. That's why. I just
Speaker 2: remember my mother saying the death Crone.
Speaker 1: So how did you know it was a ghost?
Speaker 2: Because I remember she like, well, she it was either
Speaker 2: a ghost or a robber, like who else would have
Speaker 2: be like somehow like this old lady broke into my
Speaker 2: house in the middle that I you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And I guess I just knew that it was a
Speaker 2: ghost because I wasn't scared. I I just like, she
Speaker 2: didn't speak, and it just felt ghostly.
Speaker 1: But did she look like you? And I right now
Speaker 1: like yeah, but like.
Speaker 2: An old, old woman like imagine like Sophia from the
Speaker 2: Golden Girls.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so she did look like me?
Speaker 4: Right now, Dead Ringer, Wait, describe this drag ensemble that
Speaker 4: I'm wearing for the for the listeners at home.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're wearing so you have a bouffont what
Speaker 2: I would describe as a bouffont hair style. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: would say the purple. And it's like a sort of
Speaker 2: a French twist. I love it. The dress is sequin,
Speaker 2: it looks like it's it looks like you would be
Speaker 2: hot in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I yeah, I'm sweating lots of backsweat.
Speaker 2: Do you call that a petticoat?
Speaker 1: I call it a petticoat because it causes lots of problems. Yea,
Speaker 1: he's petty. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the bustle. I don't even know how you're sitting
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's one of America's greatest mysteries.
Speaker 2: But I do the color, it's be dazzled within an
Speaker 2: inch of its life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you? Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Wait, speaking of mysteries, and and you know, just abductions
Speaker 4: and wild and crazy things, I want to talk about
Speaker 4: abducted and plain sight who doesn't.
Speaker 2: Why Why isn't everybody always talking about that?
Speaker 4: I know I watched it when it first came out,
Speaker 4: and then I was kind of refreshing about it. And
Speaker 4: you do we have more details about it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So with Skyborgman, the director of the film, we
Speaker 2: made a podcast called Obsessed with Abducted in plain Sight Amazing,
Speaker 2: and yeah, we have more details.
Speaker 1: We also have Sky.
Speaker 2: We have the fabulous Skyborgman her. Yeah, let's bring her in.
Speaker 4: All right, Well, we're gonna take a break and we're
Speaker 4: gonna bring back the director of Abducted and plain Sight, Skyborgman.
Speaker 4: Guys here, Hi Scott, Hi, Okay, so what are we
Speaker 4: talking about on the new podcast?
Speaker 2: Well, so Sess was abducted in plain Sight sort of.
Speaker 2: What happened was Sky and I met. We covered Abducted
Speaker 2: in Planesight on Tu Grasst. Obviously Sky and I became
Speaker 2: friends afterwards, and we were like at a bar one
Speaker 2: night in New Orleans and she was I was just
Speaker 2: asking I was talking her ear off about it, and
Speaker 2: she was telling me all of these stories that got
Speaker 2: left out, plot lines they didn't use. You know, I
Speaker 2: was asking about jan and how she was now, and
Speaker 2: I was, of course screaming my head off about the parents,
Speaker 2: and she was sort of telling me all this stuff,
Speaker 2: and I was like, well, there's so much here, There's
Speaker 2: so much more to the story, and to like how
Speaker 2: everybody involved in the story has been handling the movie
Speaker 2: being out, We need to make a podcast about this totally. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so a refresher for people.
Speaker 4: I feel like everyone probably saw it, but for anyone
Speaker 4: that didn't, what's like the main story.
Speaker 5: I mean, basically, it's about a little girl who was
Speaker 5: abducted by the family's best friend and neighbor twice.
Speaker 6: Basically, you know, it's a pretty simple story, I know.
Speaker 4: And it was in the seventies, right, it was in
Speaker 4: the seventies, which I'm I mean, I was not really
Speaker 4: around in the seventies. I was, but I feel like
Speaker 4: a lot of people tell me like, oh, that's how
Speaker 4: it was. You would just go to do a neighbor's
Speaker 4: house and like, there's no big deal. They kidnapped you
Speaker 4: three times, You're fine, end up in Mexico.
Speaker 2: I mean, like you did.
Speaker 5: Go like we would be outside playing all the time
Speaker 5: and go to neighbors houses and doing all of that
Speaker 5: in the seventies, and.
Speaker 6: So yeah, that's normal, but getting abducted twice really is nuts.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: But you know, the thing we've been talking about this
Speaker 2: a lot today is that, like they were also Mormons,
Speaker 2: and I think that because they were in such a
Speaker 2: tight knit community, there was inherently more trust there.
Speaker 1: That makes sense.
Speaker 6: Part of the faith too.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I think there's something in the
Speaker 5: whatever religious book they have, you know, that says trust
Speaker 5: people to get.
Speaker 2: Hello.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, you're also a Broadway guy.
Speaker 2: Yes, But also we shouldn't forget that they were like
Speaker 2: meticulously groomed by this predator for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he came and he was just like he saw
Speaker 5: their little chinks and he directly went after those chinks.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And he also was trying to blackmail the parents. I
Speaker 4: remember there was like a kind of a gay sex
Speaker 4: scene of some sort.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a handy, for sure, there was a handy.
Speaker 1: In a car, and then he tried to use it
Speaker 1: against the guy I remember.
Speaker 2: Well, so yeah, I mean he had affairs, Well, he
Speaker 2: had an affair with Jan's mom. I'm telling the plot
Speaker 2: of your movie. Go ahead, and then he had like
Speaker 2: a sexual encounter or two with Jan's dad. And then
Speaker 2: when when he came back from the first kidnapping. God,
Speaker 2: I've watched your movie seven times. I'm like, you didn't
Speaker 2: really know when like the FBI drags him back from
Speaker 2: Mexico after the first kidnapping, His wife, Garbage Gale, comes
Speaker 2: over and says, like, if you press charges, we will
Speaker 2: like we will expose the quote dirty laundry between you
Speaker 2: and my husband, like the dads the gay stuff in
Speaker 2: the seventies. And so they get them. The birch tolds
Speaker 2: get the Brobergs to sign AffA Davits, saying they jan
Speaker 2: went willingly. We knew where she was. It was fine
Speaker 2: with us. We have every right to keep this within
Speaker 2: our family.
Speaker 1: So he took her to Mexico to get married right
Speaker 1: when and they did get married.
Speaker 6: Did they get married? We think they got married.
Speaker 5: I mean they came back with a marriage certificate and
Speaker 5: then the parents gave it to the FBI, and then
Speaker 5: the FBI never made a copy. The parents never made
Speaker 5: a copy, so we can never really find it anywhere.
Speaker 5: But apparently they got married in Mexico.
Speaker 2: Here's the point of confusion. I've had did so And
Speaker 2: we were talking about this in another thing earlier today
Speaker 2: that like how do we say this like, did they
Speaker 2: did the Is there any world in which the parents
Speaker 2: actually gave consent for the marriage in Mexico?
Speaker 5: I don't think so. I mean, you know, again, it's
Speaker 5: like who really knows.
Speaker 6: But I mean, we are dealing.
Speaker 5: With a faith that olderman marrying younger women isn't completely
Speaker 5: outside of the norm. I mean, it doesn't happen all
Speaker 5: the time, you know, but it has happened before. And
Speaker 5: it depends on you know, I mean all of your
Speaker 5: ld Yes, we'll talk about the fundamental lds, those Warren
Speaker 5: Jeffs in the world.
Speaker 2: And they will say that they are not the same,
Speaker 2: not the.
Speaker 5: Same thing, right, two very different sort of ideologies, and
Speaker 5: so you know. But it's also living in close proximity
Speaker 5: to that. So maybe it wasn't so unusual that an
Speaker 5: older man would be marrying a younger girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but still even if that is normal.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's no, no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Here, obsays we can don't underage marriage.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 4: So what what are some like can you give us
Speaker 4: like a little a little peak of like some things
Speaker 4: that you'll be talking about on the podcast.
Speaker 6: Well, we asked jan her thoughts on whether or not
Speaker 6: her dad is gay, and.
Speaker 1: Had her on the podcast.
Speaker 5: Yeah for sure, Like we brought her in. We did
Speaker 5: a big, long, like six hour long conversation with.
Speaker 4: So because Yeah, there was a moment her dad very
Speaker 4: like nonchalant. Well I shouldn't say that, but he he confessed,
Speaker 4: like in this documentary that he had this experience. It's
Speaker 4: kind of like that fire documentary where the guy, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what he talks about, like the blowjob scene
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 2: Like Andy King, I know that guy, do you? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean, like he was like I could talk about
Speaker 2: this for forever, but yeah, in an act of masturbation.
Speaker 4: It's so interesting that how he just like confesses that,
Speaker 4: like in the documentary, well, he'd never.
Speaker 6: Talked about it really before.
Speaker 5: I mean, and I think, honestly, I think that this
Speaker 5: whole sort of situation that we were in where he
Speaker 5: was kind of sitting there, we had a camera rolling,
Speaker 5: we were hanging on his every word. You know, it's
Speaker 5: such a different thing because you're talking to somebody and
Speaker 5: nobody's kind of cutting you off or saying, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: you're telling me this story.
Speaker 6: I'm going to tell you my story.
Speaker 5: You know, but you've got these people who are sitting
Speaker 5: there behind the camera just listening and being quiet, And
Speaker 5: I really really think that it was very cathartic for him.
Speaker 5: He'd never really talked to his family about the details,
Speaker 5: Like they knew something had happened, but they weren't sure
Speaker 5: what exactly, And in fact, a lot of them kind
Speaker 5: of talk about after the fact watching the documentary and
Speaker 5: going on, I have more information now than I've ever
Speaker 5: had about what happened.
Speaker 2: We're saying that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and mary Anne too. I mean, he'd
Speaker 5: never really talked to his wife about it, and then
Speaker 5: she asked him about it the night, either the night
Speaker 5: after his interview or maybe the night after her interview
Speaker 5: when we were there. She'd asked him, well, you know,
Speaker 5: what did you talk about? What did you tell them?
Speaker 5: And he kind of gave her a few more details.
Speaker 5: But then even watching the film, I think was a
Speaker 5: revelation for a lot of them.
Speaker 1: And was when the bad guy's wife, Gail, right, which
Speaker 1: I know you.
Speaker 2: Don't like it when I say that, but it's my favorite.
Speaker 4: Thing, when she went to have them sign the affidavis
Speaker 4: to be like, we're on blackmail. You did she so
Speaker 4: she didn't say, like in front of the wife, like
Speaker 4: we're going to tell that your man hooked up with
Speaker 4: my man and.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, well maybe not in a car
Speaker 5: or maybe not which direction anything went. I mean she
Speaker 5: definitely knew that something had happened and that Bob was
Speaker 5: hugely emotional about it. And look, there's the blackmail. There's
Speaker 5: a like signing. But what we didn't talk about really
Speaker 5: is this emotional blackmail. I mean they're saying, you husband,
Speaker 5: regardless of if it's a man or a woman, has
Speaker 5: cheated on you, yeah, big time, bad, bad, bad, and
Speaker 5: that he did it with a man even more bad, bad,
Speaker 5: bad and embarrassing. And so all of a sudden, these
Speaker 5: parents are like, going, is our marriage going to break up?
Speaker 5: Is my husband gay? The husband Bob saying, am I gay?
Speaker 5: And they're thinking about their own dramas and completely not
Speaker 5: thinking about their little girl. So it's such a manipulative
Speaker 5: thing to kind of go and say, I need to
Speaker 5: make you feel shame, and I need to make you
Speaker 5: feel shame as much shame as I can come up with,
Speaker 5: so that I can kind of go and secretly go
Speaker 5: off with your daughter.
Speaker 2: Mom, sir, Yeah, but there's a lot of stuff, Like
Speaker 2: there's a whole subplot that was left out of the
Speaker 2: film about Birch told the kidnapper going to Mexico and
Speaker 2: trying to adopt a little girl from there that got
Speaker 2: cut from the film.
Speaker 5: We have all that in the audio recording, Like I
Speaker 5: love the bad guy saying that like.
Speaker 2: His audio journalist from the seventies that were recovered by
Speaker 2: the FBI that Sky and her team were able to get,
Speaker 2: which is just unbelievable.
Speaker 5: He died in like two thousand and I want to
Speaker 5: say four or five something around in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: There's also we have tape of Gail the wife. She
Speaker 2: did audio journals too, and we have her in the podcast.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know it is crazy, insane and
Speaker 1: is it out already?
Speaker 2: Yeah? All four episodes are available to binge right the
Speaker 2: second amazing wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing later.
Speaker 4: So I want to ask you this guy as a
Speaker 4: director of documentaries, So how do you feel about if
Speaker 4: someone was doing a paranormal documentary and they made it fake,
Speaker 4: you know, they doctor it a little bit.
Speaker 2: Did you hear what we were talking about?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I totally did, so it is it is
Speaker 5: somewhat unethical. I think you know to do that. It's
Speaker 5: it's interesting because I think that you have certain sort
Speaker 5: of tools at your fingertips that you can help kind
Speaker 5: of create the drama. But I think like the drama
Speaker 5: that you were talking about, like augmenting or enhancing a
Speaker 5: voice or a monster voice and an exorcism in a documentary,
Speaker 5: I mean that's the thing is like, yeah, I think
Speaker 5: you do have to sort of say, look, this is
Speaker 5: this is not.
Speaker 2: Real because I will say it until I'm getting as
Speaker 2: mad as I was when we covered it on TCO.
Speaker 2: If that sound really came out of her, she was possessed.
Speaker 2: She was definitely, and the devil was like, bitch, I'm
Speaker 2: coming out like.
Speaker 4: And they they presented it to us as if, yes,
Speaker 4: that is what happened. Yes, she is possessed, And here's
Speaker 4: the footage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's ridiculous because it sounds possessed. The only
Speaker 2: thing is that it sounds exactly like any monster demon
Speaker 2: possession sound that you've heard in any fake, actual narrative movie.
Speaker 2: So it's like, I don't know, but here's.
Speaker 4: My question also about possessions and like these documentaries that
Speaker 4: I see like that, So that is specifically like a
Speaker 4: Catholic church kind of possession that the.
Speaker 2: Catholics get possessed. By the way, your guys, That's sort.
Speaker 4: Of what I'm wondering, because I think that there are
Speaker 4: other there are other Christian religions that do sort of
Speaker 4: you know, where they put the hands on the people,
Speaker 4: and like, I don't know what exactly is going on
Speaker 4: up that is possession. But what I'm wondering is why
Speaker 4: is that only like I don't hear about that very
Speaker 4: much in America.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, like.
Speaker 4: There's been a couple of famous cases and like the
Speaker 4: one that inspired the Exorcist movie.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it seems like by the way, there's.
Speaker 2: An article in Weird magazine about a guy who tracks
Speaker 2: down the little boy that the Exorcist is actually made up,
Speaker 2: made about as an adult, as an adult, and in
Speaker 2: this article, I like read it once a year and
Speaker 2: you just google like Weird, W E I R D
Speaker 2: Magazine the Exorcist, and it'll it's like this amazing investigative
Speaker 2: p It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, Yeah.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm just saying, like they talk about in
Speaker 4: the documentary, like thousands of exorcisms that this man has done,
Speaker 4: and I don't hear about that very much in America.
Speaker 2: No, And I think because I think that, you know,
Speaker 2: my takeaway on that whole thing was, like, I think
Speaker 2: that people can believe that they are possessed. I think
Speaker 2: that people who are deeply religious can be made to
Speaker 2: believe that they are so bad that they have to
Speaker 2: be possessed in order to have done whatever the people
Speaker 2: around them are saying they have done that have made
Speaker 2: them so bad. Like this is my problem with organized
Speaker 2: religion in general, is how powerful and manipulative it can be.
Speaker 2: I get that for some people it's not that at all,
Speaker 2: and it is really enriching to their lives, but like,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, this exorcism shit is bullshit, And like I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that people can't be possessed, but likely the
Speaker 2: only Catholics and typically women who are. Like and it's
Speaker 2: so upsetting. If you watch the exorcism, they are forcibly
Speaker 2: holding this woman down and hitting her. It's horrible to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is rough.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm getting so mad.
Speaker 1: Do you have paranormal experiences?
Speaker 5: Well, so, one thing, like when I was thinking about it,
Speaker 5: in terms of this sort of coming on this podcast.
Speaker 5: There was something that happened while we were shooting abducted
Speaker 5: in plain sights. Really that was kind of creepy and
Speaker 5: really weird. So we went to the house that the
Speaker 5: Brobergs had lived in when all of this abuse happened.
Speaker 1: Right, Robergs are the good people, right, the parents?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And and they don't live there anymore. They sold
Speaker 5: the house. Somebody bought the house and they were renting
Speaker 5: it out. So the people who were currently living there
Speaker 5: had moved in and their little girl, I mean she
Speaker 5: was like one or two years old, was in Jan's bedroom,
Speaker 5: like the bedroom that Jan had been in where all
Speaker 5: of this abuse had happened. So it's really really creepy.
Speaker 5: And where there's this again in Pocatello, Idaho. Okay, so
Speaker 5: she's living or sleeping in this bedroom and the mom's
Speaker 5: talking about yeah, she just you know, for the first
Speaker 5: two or three weeks, she was really upset. She was crying,
Speaker 5: she wouldn't go to sleep, and she was talking about
Speaker 5: this bad man that would appear in the corner and
Speaker 5: he would be dressed all in white, and I was.
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god.
Speaker 5: Birch told was always dressed in white. Oh my god,
Speaker 5: that's one thing they said their interviews as Birch told
Speaker 5: this wore this white suit. And she was like, there's
Speaker 5: a bad man. There's a bad man. And so the
Speaker 5: mom would was sleeping, like would put a mattress down
Speaker 5: and sleep next.
Speaker 2: To her, and she sent to sleep.
Speaker 5: Bedroom I know, bedroom. Yeah.
Speaker 6: But then I'm like, so what happened?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 6: How did he go away?
Speaker 5: And her dad, who was like a bishop in the
Speaker 5: Mormon church, gave her a blessing and that made him
Speaker 5: go away.
Speaker 1: See, say what we want. That shit seems to work.
Speaker 1: And I know I don't like it.
Speaker 2: I totally agree.
Speaker 4: So okay, but did they know about the history of
Speaker 4: that house at that time?
Speaker 5: At that time, they didn't. I'm not entirely certain when
Speaker 5: they knew the history of the house, but it was
Speaker 5: before we came along and asked them about it. Like
Speaker 5: they had sort of put it together with the Brobergs
Speaker 5: and all of that. And then Jan was there with us,
Speaker 5: and Mary Anne the mom was there with us, and
Speaker 5: they were kind of talking about things, and they'd kind
Speaker 5: of all put it together and they're like, oh, that's
Speaker 5: Jan's bedroom and all of that. Yeah, so they didn't
Speaker 5: have all this knowledge and sort of, you know, created
Speaker 5: this whole scenario.
Speaker 2: It's like Birch told this bastard can't just be dead.
Speaker 2: He's got to come back and haunt them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got unfinished business.
Speaker 4: I'm for sure, for sure, that story is a great
Speaker 4: crossover for what we're talking about here with your pop
Speaker 4: guests in this podcast.
Speaker 1: It's amazing.
Speaker 6: It's amazing.
Speaker 5: It's amazing because I remember thinking about it, just going
Speaker 5: we were so freaked out by this, by this story.
Speaker 5: And then I went back and I was like listening
Speaker 5: to it, to the interview that I have all the
Speaker 5: footage that's in this big hard drive, you know, and
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, and I just got chills again
Speaker 5: because it's so creepy.
Speaker 1: God, do you guys want to listen to ghost voices?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, it's time for EVP or ev please. Do
Speaker 1: you know what EVP is?
Speaker 2: No? I don't.
Speaker 4: It's electronic voice phenomenon. So it's when they capture a
Speaker 4: ghost speaking on camera with a digital recorder.
Speaker 1: And I like to go to YouTube.
Speaker 4: I find people's EVPs, and I want you guys to
Speaker 4: guess what they believe this ghost is saying, Okay, Now,
Speaker 4: I wanted to get New York ghosts, but I've used
Speaker 4: pretty much all the New York ghosts up on YouTube.
Speaker 4: I found some video from huff Paranormal, who is a
Speaker 4: YouTube channel that just like they're like EVP Royalty. They
Speaker 4: are just like posting evp's non stop left and right.
Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am, they get.
Speaker 1: Tons of views. But this one was I can't really
Speaker 1: tell where this video is.
Speaker 4: It's kind of unclear. The word NYC was in the title,
Speaker 4: but this seems to be I can't really tell where
Speaker 4: this was. It was too much work for me, but
Speaker 4: it's it's in a video. At least these EVPs were
Speaker 4: taken in a hotel room. Later, he walks around.
Speaker 1: The streets of New York and he hears ghost voices. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: so I'm so scared.
Speaker 2: I'm scared.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, tell me what you think this ghost is.
Speaker 5: Okay, I want you.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of like fuzz.
Speaker 4: Sorry I should have warned you, but you can hear
Speaker 4: in the bad just if you really get this focus in.
Speaker 6: Or I like you.
Speaker 4: I can only hear I want you, or I like you,
Speaker 4: I want you, or I like yeah that's all I
Speaker 4: ever hear.
Speaker 1: Okay, is it a you're not my wife?
Speaker 4: What scenario would that page my wife? B?
Speaker 1: Sure girl? Tonight? See turn off the light or d
Speaker 1: turned down? For what you know? Little John?
Speaker 2: Wait? Can we hear it again? Yeah, turn off the light.
Speaker 1: That's what they think it is. Turn off the light? Less?
Speaker 1: This again?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? How am I supposed to go back?
Speaker 2: How am I going to sleep in my creepy hotel
Speaker 2: room tonight?
Speaker 6: What you're saying at the W a creepy hotel?
Speaker 1: I don't like that.
Speaker 4: That's a creepy hotel. I can lead you in the
Speaker 4: direction of some creepy hotel. Wait, I do want to
Speaker 4: talk about the caeseon hotel. But wait, let's talk. Let's
Speaker 4: do one more EVP Okay, this one same video? Uh Now,
Speaker 4: this to me sounds pretty clear. And he says that
Speaker 4: there was no TV on the hotel didn't even have
Speaker 4: a TV.
Speaker 1: So what is the say? This was also at the
Speaker 1: W hotel. Okay, let's listen to it.
Speaker 2: I made with you again, I.
Speaker 6: Need you to go.
Speaker 1: I need you to go. What do you think.
Speaker 5: I made?
Speaker 2: I need to I need to go, I need to go.
Speaker 1: And you said what I need you to go? I
Speaker 1: need you to go? Okay, is it a I made
Speaker 1: him go?
Speaker 4: B make it go see Two Birds, One Stone or
Speaker 4: D I'm staying at the w Definitely I'm gonna go
Speaker 4: with I made I made him go.
Speaker 1: That sounds like very clear. Yeah, Okay, Wait, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the season hotel. So do you know about this?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 1: Oh, Sky, you're in for crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They need to make a documentary about it.
Speaker 2: They do. So.
Speaker 4: Basically I first heard about it, when a lot of
Speaker 4: people heard about it was because there was Alisa Lamb. Yes,
Speaker 4: so this woman was found in the water tank on
Speaker 4: the roof of this old depression era hotel and downtown
Speaker 4: Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: You could go.
Speaker 4: See it after this, yeah, yeah, And basically there's a
Speaker 4: lot of unclear things because no one knows how she
Speaker 4: got in there. No one knows if it was suicide,
Speaker 4: no one knows if some foul play or paranormal. But
Speaker 4: people started complaining that the water tasted like bodies, or
Speaker 4: it tasted weird.
Speaker 2: The water was like discolored, it was like taste.
Speaker 4: And gross, and then so they went up in the
Speaker 4: water tank and they found her. But that place in
Speaker 4: particular has had maybe dozens of deaths and suicides and
Speaker 4: murderers living there.
Speaker 2: But there's more to that story because the other thing
Speaker 2: about it is there's the security footage of her in
Speaker 2: the elements. So she's in the elevator and she's doing
Speaker 2: I mean, you have to look this up. It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: It's so creepy.
Speaker 2: She's like in the elevator and she's like hiding and
Speaker 2: then she like looks out and then she hides.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like she's reacting to something that is
Speaker 1: not there. Now. She also was mentally ill and so but.
Speaker 2: She was like on a vacation. She was like she
Speaker 2: was well enough to be able to travel by herself
Speaker 2: to Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: It was all very mysterious. Yeah, so no one knows,
Speaker 4: but I do know that. So Okay, a lot of
Speaker 4: people have jumped out of the windows, and in fact,
Speaker 4: one time somebody jumped out of a window and landed
Speaker 4: on someone that was walking.
Speaker 1: Down the street.
Speaker 2: And that's the worst fear in New York. By the way,
Speaker 2: I'm always looking at yeah, that some asshole is like
Speaker 2: today's the day and they're taking me with him.
Speaker 4: No, So basically was gonna say, is there is a
Speaker 4: photo that somebody took that of a window there that
Speaker 4: from the outside that appears to be a ghost.
Speaker 1: Jumping out of a window.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'll.
Speaker 1: Post it in our Facebook group. Goes by rous but yeah,
Speaker 1: look it up.
Speaker 2: It's so One of the things I've heard about the
Speaker 2: Cecil Hotel is that like if you get in the
Speaker 2: elevator and you take you travel in the elevator in
Speaker 2: a certain sequence, the doors will open and you'll be
Speaker 2: in another dimension. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think you can find it. It's like it's online somewhere.
Speaker 2: But it's like they say that that's what she was
Speaker 2: trying to do. Well, she was like trying to take
Speaker 2: the elevator in a certain sequence.
Speaker 1: Well, that place is definitely a building with bad do do. Like,
Speaker 1: they're not.
Speaker 2: Called Cecil anymore, I think, right.
Speaker 4: They tried to rebrand it to a place called Stay
Speaker 4: on Maine, but it still has like that old brick
Speaker 4: like painted on the building it says Cecil Hotel.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, now I want to I last I heard
Speaker 1: it was this is pretty recent. It was like not open.
Speaker 1: I don't know. They're just constantly trying to be like, no.
Speaker 2: It not happened.
Speaker 6: Like, embrace him. You're not going to run away from it.
Speaker 4: So yeah, but because also like the Nightstalker Richard Ramirez
Speaker 4: lived there when he was doing some murders, there was
Speaker 4: another murderer that was killing women that lived there.
Speaker 6: Have you been there?
Speaker 4: Well, this one night, I was like this is very me.
Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, I don't know what to do tonight.
Speaker 4: Let's go someplace spooky. So I called up my friend
Speaker 4: and I was like, let's just like go and see
Speaker 4: what's up. Because from what it sounds like, ladies are
Speaker 4: just going into the water tanks, so they won't notice
Speaker 4: that we don't stay there, so let's just go in.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So we like walked in and I'd already seen the
Speaker 4: video of her in the elevator and everything, and the
Speaker 4: people there was just people you know that work there
Speaker 4: in the lobby, and they just kind of looked at
Speaker 4: us like whatever, and we just acted like we stayed here.
Speaker 4: And we went into the elevator and it was so
Speaker 4: surrealvator because I've seen that video so many times and
Speaker 4: I'm in the elevator going up and we were just like,
Speaker 4: let's just go to like the highest floor.
Speaker 1: And then walk around. I don't know what to do,
Speaker 1: so would you do?
Speaker 4: So we just we went all the way up and
Speaker 4: we started walking around, and I'm I think I'm a
Speaker 4: little sensitive to two energies, and it was just I.
Speaker 1: Didn't like it there.
Speaker 2: Did you go up to the roof?
Speaker 4: We know, we didn't go up to the roof, but
Speaker 4: we walked. We went to a floor and it's very
Speaker 4: like hostile where it's like a community bathroom kind of thing,
Speaker 4: and so we just kind of walked around and I got.
Speaker 6: I totally want to go.
Speaker 2: I should go. I want to go.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's open or not, but I
Speaker 4: know it was real cheap to stay there. We didn't
Speaker 4: stay there.
Speaker 2: It seems like it would be.
Speaker 6: Definitely you didn't stay there.
Speaker 2: You can't tell the W at the Cecil Hotel.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not like I have expensive taste. I'm just afraid
Speaker 2: at the W.
Speaker 4: But then eventually someone caught us after like literally like
Speaker 4: five minutes of a bitch, get out of here. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And I was so glad they did, because I did
Speaker 4: not like it up there.
Speaker 2: God, can you imagine working there, Like imagine being on
Speaker 2: staff at the Cecil.
Speaker 4: And they must deal with people like me all the time,
Speaker 4: all the time. It's like they have more of us
Speaker 4: than they do guests. Oh, I'm sure, but it is
Speaker 4: like a less than one hundred dollars a night kind
Speaker 4: of place, like I can't remember, crazy, I can't remember
Speaker 4: if it's open or not.
Speaker 1: I have to look that up. But oh, it's time
Speaker 1: to wrap it up.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's been so much fun fun. I'm
Speaker 2: sorry I got so mad about the Catholic Church.
Speaker 6: It's okay, it's okay. It happens to us, it.
Speaker 4: Does, so so tell people again where to find you, guys,
Speaker 4: and what's going on.
Speaker 2: So you can find Obsessed with Abducted in plain sight
Speaker 2: anywhere you get your podcasts. You can find my other
Speaker 2: podcast through Crime Obsessed wherever you get your podcasts. Uh,
Speaker 2: you can check out our network. It's the Obsessed network
Speaker 2: dot com and you can see all the podcasts would make. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And for me, I don't know, I'm so terrible at
Speaker 5: that social media stuff. But all of my socials are
Speaker 5: Skyboorgman and my production company is top Not Films.
Speaker 2: And you can watch Netflix anywhere if you haven't.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I highly recommend it.
Speaker 2: Wait did I say obsessed with? What did I say?
Speaker 1: Oh? What did you say?
Speaker 2: What I said? You can watch You can watch anybody.
Speaker 1: Of Holy Waters.
Speaker 2: Your your movie is called Abducted in plain Site.
Speaker 6: Oh it is, it is.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 2: That's what it's called. And you can watch it anywhere.
Speaker 2: But I'll watch it if you haven't.
Speaker 1: And also go watch The Devil and Father Amort.
Speaker 2: So weird, you guys. Don't go in with high hopes.
Speaker 1: All right, Thank you, guys, thank you, thanks for having us.
Speaker 1: Of course.
Speaker 4: All right, well now you got some stuff to go
Speaker 4: binge watch and listen to as well, and lots of
Speaker 4: sleep paralysis today. But you know what, it wouldn't be
Speaker 4: a ghosted episode if we didn't talk about it.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 4: I love you guys so much, and again I hope
Speaker 4: everyone is staying safe and healthy. You can always go
Speaker 4: listen to old episodes and the mean time. And I
Speaker 4: think I'm gonna do this thing that I'm going to
Speaker 4: commit to where I am just on this podcast feed
Speaker 4: so you don't have to do anything as long as
Speaker 4: you're subscribed. I'm going to just post little, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe ten to fifteen minute episodes of me just talking,
Speaker 4: not even necessarily just about ghosts, and you can definitely
Speaker 4: listen to it if you want to be kept company
Speaker 4: and we'll see how that goes. So I'm gonna start
Speaker 4: doing that next week, so look out for those. Of course,
Speaker 4: you can find me on Instagram at Roz dress Fuls, Cameo,
Speaker 4: Roz dress Fales, Benmo Queen Roz. You can join our
Speaker 4: Facebook group ghosted by Roz dress Fales if you have
Speaker 4: a spooky story. Also, I want to do a listener
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Speaker 4: want to listen to it while we're locked up. I
Speaker 4: love you all, both living and dead.
Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't
Speaker 1: haunt me.
Speaker 3: Hey bye.
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