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Speaker 1: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.

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Speaker 3: Hiros Dress, Hey boo, it's me ros Dress Feles.

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Speaker 4: I am currently hiding out in my home as I.

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Speaker 4: Because that's just life now, and I hope everybody is

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Speaker 4: I think this is just how we're going to be

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Speaker 4: doing podcasts from now on. I promise you that I'm

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Speaker 4: guys episodes every single week. And luckily I have an

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Speaker 4: episode today that we recorded back in the old days

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Speaker 4: when you could leave your house. And this episode today

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Speaker 4: but we're also going to be talking about true crime,

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Speaker 4: which is not really something that we do on Ghosted.

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Speaker 4: We usually stay pretty strictly paranormal, but I thought, you know,

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Speaker 4: it might be a little bit fun to to add

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Speaker 4: some true crime elements. So we have Patrick Hines from

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Speaker 4: the very popular podcast True Crime Obsessed, and he on

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Speaker 4: his show they recap actual documentaries that are about true crime,

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Speaker 4: Her name is Sky Borgman, and she joins us, and weirdly,

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Speaker 4: I have had some sleep paralysis a couple of times

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Speaker 4: Him, being very sensitive to the spiritual world, understood and

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Speaker 4: The rest of the night, I had very vivid nightmares

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Speaker 4: Oh a Lexa sounds like she's pretty lucky and you

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, you guys, Hi Hi, Hi Patrick. I

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I love your podcast.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. That's you know, Julian and I talk

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Speaker 2: Your studio is so nice. Ours is not this nice.

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Speaker 2: We just like sit in this hot, small room and

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Speaker 4: It's so fun though, because it's weird. I think that

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Speaker 4: there's like a definite crossover between true crime and the paranormal.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I've seen like almost

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I mean, everyone like everyone is document

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Speaker 2: We did a whole thing last Halloween, not this past Halloween,

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Speaker 1: One in the afterlife exactly. That's where I live.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, what amazing tru that's the gayest trip

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Speaker 4: It really was all Catholic school anyways, so this movie

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, but this was which is not

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Speaker 2: I'm the same. I'm totally the same way I'm told.

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Speaker 2: Like I was telling Sky and all my friends, like,

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Speaker 2: I'm staying at the W Hotel in Hollywood, which is

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Speaker 2: And I've been sleeping with all the lights on.

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Speaker 4: Well, I've been in both places. I've been in that

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Speaker 2: Just I feel like I'm the only one on my

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Speaker 6: For sure?

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Speaker 1: Are their ghosts in the w hotel?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It feels like the hotel from the Shining.

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Speaker 2: It's just huge. Those hallways go on for forever.

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Speaker 4: I know well because I listened to three specific paranormal

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Speaker 4: Okay, demon House, I okay, it's so ridiculous. I found

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Speaker 1: Did you ever hear about it? Okay?

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Speaker 4: Well, because it's okay, so it's on Amazon. Sometimes I'm

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Speaker 4: He goes to this haunted house and he's full on

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Speaker 4: Look it up. Look it up for yourself. It's called

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Speaker 4: Well, because okay, so I've listened to three pair of

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Speaker 4: The third one was Oh My Amneyville Horror, which is

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Speaker 4: Well, it's been a couple of years since I've seen it. Now,

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Speaker 2: I mean, some really terrible shit happened in that house.

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Speaker 2: The problem with what the Lutzes did was that they

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Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, the thing about the Amityville

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Speaker 4: Well, but here's the thing where I get real conflicted

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Speaker 2: And it's like, again, it makes sense to me that

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Speaker 2: Dad, like the George Lutz or whatever seemed like a

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Speaker 1: Well I'm sure. I mean, if you're seeing a pig

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Speaker 2: And I remember talking to my mom about it. And

441
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 2: my mom is a lesbian, but she was also very

442
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 2: is my mom's still with us, thank thank thank the Lord.

443
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,159
Speaker 2: And she was also very you know, was also very religious,

444
00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,400
Speaker 2: and my mom used to say to me, like, if

445
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,199
Speaker 2: you don't want this, you have to like pray to

446
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,719
Speaker 2: make it go away, like because it will only get stronger.

447
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 2: And I remember being like eleven and twelve years old

448
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 2: and going to bed at night and praying like I

449
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 2: don't want this. I don't want to see ghosts, I

450
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,639
Speaker 2: don't want to feel things. I don't want to like

451
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 2: know things or have like like dream conversations with my

452
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 2: dead grandparents. And it went away. I mean, like like

453
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 2: I haven't felt like that. I mean, I certainly have

454
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 2: moments of like where I can sort of like feel

455
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 2: an energy in a room or whatever, but as far

456
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 2: as like leaning into the like you know, out of

457
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 2: bodied sleep paralysis sort of like seeing things. I mean,

458
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,719
Speaker 2: I remember one time I was taking a nap. This

459
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 2: was when I was in like eighth grade, and I

460
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 2: remember I woke up and I couldn't move. I was

461
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 2: completely paralyzed, but I was awake, and I saw like

462
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 2: an old woman floating in the corner of my room,

463
00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 2: and like a chair, like a chair with nobody in it.

464
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,719
Speaker 1: And it was chair was also floating.

465
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 2: The chair was also floating, and it was very like

466
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 2: I mean, and I remember being truly paralyzed like I

467
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 2: and I was like, is this just what life is? Now?

468
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 3: Like?

469
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 2: Am I just like living in a horror show?

470
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: Now? What was this woman doing just staring at you?

471
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: No, she didn't. It wasn't paying any attention to me.

472
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 2: She was wearing like period clothes, like from like I

473
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 2: don't eat Like she was like like a big woman

474
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 2: wearing like, you know, clothes I would associate with, like

475
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 2: the eighteen hundreds totally, and it was I've literally never

476
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 2: told this to anybody. Exclusive Exclusive Chilian is listening right now.

477
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 2: She's like, that's shut up, but like, I you know, yeah,

478
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 2: I mean that's one of my strongest memories. I have another.

479
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: How did that end?

480
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 2: I think that I probably went back to sleep and

481
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 2: woke up. I mean, like that's kind of how I

482
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 2: remember it.

483
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 4: Like my god, yeah, that eighteen hundreds is like prime

484
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 4: ghost fashion.

485
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 2: God, like what do they want?

486
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: I feel?

487
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 2: Just be dead?

488
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 4: You guys, I know that sounds to me like the

489
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 4: the quintessential central casting ghostly totally.

490
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like a Victorian dress or something.

491
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was big and blue and it was like

492
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 2: billowy and she was like a big, heavy woman. I

493
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: just remember it, like her floating in the corner and

494
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: like I could see her clear as I'm seeing you.

495
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: Did you do you?

496
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:18,719
Speaker 2: So?

497
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: Do you have sleeper paralysis?

498
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: Still? Of course I will tonight in the fucking terrifying

499
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: w hotel.

500
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: But do you sleep on your back or on your stomach?

501
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: That's my question.

502
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 2: I used to sleep on my back, and after I

503
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,719
Speaker 2: got married, my husband is a stomach sleeper, and I

504
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that looks fun. So now I'm like,

505
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like an all over the place sleeper.

506
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: This is great.

507
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 4: You're helping out my case because I always say that

508
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 4: sleep paralysis I believe because I've heard this happens on

509
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 4: your back.

510
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 2: This was for sure on my back. I remember, I

511
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 2: remember being on my back. Yeah, you guys, don't sleep

512
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 2: on your back. It's gonna kill you.

513
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 4: So I'm saying, but you get wrinkles on your face,

514
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 4: so I choose the wrinkle my face.

515
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 2: Look, my face was never my money maker.

516
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: Wait, what was your other ghost story? You had another one?

517
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I was a real So this one's kind

518
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: of crazy. When I was like when I was probably

519
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 2: nine or no, maybe I was older than that. I

520
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: was probably ten or eleven, My younger brother and I

521
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 2: shared a room, and from where our beds were, I

522
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: could see the top of the stairs in the hallway,

523
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 2: and I remember waking up in the middle of the

524
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: night and this like old woman in a nun's habit

525
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 2: just like like materialized, excuse me, at the top of

526
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: the stairs, and she walked into the room and I

527
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: sat up, and she like motioned for me to like

528
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: lie back down, and she sat on my brother's bed

529
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,479
Speaker 2: and started petting his hair. Ew I know, but it

530
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 2: wasn't scary. It was just kind of like, oh, this

531
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: is happening. And I went back to bed. And the

532
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 2: next morning I woke up and I told my mother

533
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: about it, and she said, wow, like what other details

534
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 2: you remember? And you know whatever. And then a few

535
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: days later, this is the weirdest part, because my mom

536
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 2: was always reading like spiritual books and like sort of

537
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: like that sort of like weird sort of thing. I

538
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 2: walked into my mom's room and on her desk she

539
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 2: had a book and there was the woman's face that

540
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 2: I had scene in my room was on the cover

541
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: of this book. And I told my mother and my

542
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: mother went white and she's like that's the death Crone.

543
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 2: What it was a book about the Death Crone, whatever

544
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 2: the hell that is. And my mom was terrified for

545
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: days that my brother was gonna die.

546
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: Wait, what's the death Crone?

547
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 2: Apparently it's like the lady version of the Grim Reaper.

548
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: No way, I guess. So did anybody die?

549
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 2: No, nobody died, We're all still here. Interesting what if

550
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: I was like, well, actually, a week later, my brother

551
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 2: was hit by a bus.

552
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: Now I know.

553
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 4: Wait, okay, so this is uh wait the Crone Goddess.

554
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 4: I wonder if that's the same thing. I'm trying to

555
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 4: google this right now.

556
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: The death Crone. I don't know. That's why. I just

557
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: remember my mother saying the death Crone.

558
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: So how did you know it was a ghost?

559
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: Because I remember she like, well, she it was either

560
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 2: a ghost or a robber, like who else would have

561
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 2: be like somehow like this old lady broke into my

562
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 2: house in the middle that I you know what I mean.

563
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: And I guess I just knew that it was a

564
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 2: ghost because I wasn't scared. I I just like, she

565
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: didn't speak, and it just felt ghostly.

566
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: But did she look like you? And I right now

567
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: like yeah, but like.

568
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: An old, old woman like imagine like Sophia from the

569
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: Golden Girls.

570
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so she did look like me?

571
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 4: Right now, Dead Ringer, Wait, describe this drag ensemble that

572
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 4: I'm wearing for the for the listeners at home.

573
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're wearing so you have a bouffont what

574
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 2: I would describe as a bouffont hair style. Yeah, I

575
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 2: would say the purple. And it's like a sort of

576
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 2: a French twist. I love it. The dress is sequin,

577
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 2: it looks like it's it looks like you would be

578
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: hot in it.

579
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I yeah, I'm sweating lots of backsweat.

580
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: Do you call that a petticoat?

581
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: I call it a petticoat because it causes lots of problems. Yea,

582
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 1: he's petty. Yeah.

583
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 2: And the bustle. I don't even know how you're sitting

584
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: right now.

585
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's one of America's greatest mysteries.

586
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 2: But I do the color, it's be dazzled within an

587
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 2: inch of its life.

588
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you? Oh my god.

589
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 4: Wait, speaking of mysteries, and and you know, just abductions

590
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 4: and wild and crazy things, I want to talk about

591
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 4: abducted and plain sight who doesn't.

592
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: Why Why isn't everybody always talking about that?

593
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 4: I know I watched it when it first came out,

594
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 4: and then I was kind of refreshing about it. And

595
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 4: you do we have more details about it?

596
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, So with Skyborgman, the director of the film, we

597
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: made a podcast called Obsessed with Abducted in plain Sight Amazing,

598
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 2: and yeah, we have more details.

599
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: We also have Sky.

600
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: We have the fabulous Skyborgman her. Yeah, let's bring her in.

601
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 4: All right, Well, we're gonna take a break and we're

602
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 4: gonna bring back the director of Abducted and plain Sight, Skyborgman.

603
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 4: Guys here, Hi Scott, Hi, Okay, so what are we

604
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 4: talking about on the new podcast?

605
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 2: Well, so Sess was abducted in plain Sight sort of.

606
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: What happened was Sky and I met. We covered Abducted

607
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: in Planesight on Tu Grasst. Obviously Sky and I became

608
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: friends afterwards, and we were like at a bar one

609
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: night in New Orleans and she was I was just

610
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: asking I was talking her ear off about it, and

611
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: she was telling me all of these stories that got

612
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: left out, plot lines they didn't use. You know, I

613
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 2: was asking about jan and how she was now, and

614
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 2: I was, of course screaming my head off about the parents,

615
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 2: and she was sort of telling me all this stuff,

616
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 2: and I was like, well, there's so much here, There's

617
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: so much more to the story, and to like how

618
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: everybody involved in the story has been handling the movie

619
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: being out, We need to make a podcast about this totally. Yeah,

620
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: so a refresher for people.

621
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 4: I feel like everyone probably saw it, but for anyone

622
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 4: that didn't, what's like the main story.

623
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 5: I mean, basically, it's about a little girl who was

624
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 5: abducted by the family's best friend and neighbor twice.

625
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 6: Basically, you know, it's a pretty simple story, I know.

626
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 4: And it was in the seventies, right, it was in

627
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 4: the seventies, which I'm I mean, I was not really

628
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 4: around in the seventies. I was, but I feel like

629
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 4: a lot of people tell me like, oh, that's how

630
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 4: it was. You would just go to do a neighbor's

631
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 4: house and like, there's no big deal. They kidnapped you

632
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 4: three times, You're fine, end up in Mexico.

633
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: I mean, like you did.

634
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 5: Go like we would be outside playing all the time

635
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 5: and go to neighbors houses and doing all of that

636
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 5: in the seventies, and.

637
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 6: So yeah, that's normal, but getting abducted twice really is nuts.

638
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 3: No.

639
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: But you know, the thing we've been talking about this

640
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: a lot today is that, like they were also Mormons,

641
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: and I think that because they were in such a

642
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: tight knit community, there was inherently more trust there.

643
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: That makes sense.

644
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 6: Part of the faith too.

645
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I think there's something in the

646
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 5: whatever religious book they have, you know, that says trust

647
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 5: people to get.

648
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: Hello.

649
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, you're also a Broadway guy.

650
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: Yes, But also we shouldn't forget that they were like

651
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 2: meticulously groomed by this predator for sure.

652
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 6: Yeah.

653
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, he came and he was just like he saw

654
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 5: their little chinks and he directly went after those chinks.

655
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

656
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

657
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 4: And he also was trying to blackmail the parents. I

658
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 4: remember there was like a kind of a gay sex

659
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 4: scene of some sort.

660
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a handy, for sure, there was a handy.

661
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: In a car, and then he tried to use it

662
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: against the guy I remember.

663
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: Well, so yeah, I mean he had affairs, Well, he

664
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: had an affair with Jan's mom. I'm telling the plot

665
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: of your movie. Go ahead, and then he had like

666
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: a sexual encounter or two with Jan's dad. And then

667
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: when when he came back from the first kidnapping. God,

668
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: I've watched your movie seven times. I'm like, you didn't

669
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: really know when like the FBI drags him back from

670
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: Mexico after the first kidnapping, His wife, Garbage Gale, comes

671
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: over and says, like, if you press charges, we will

672
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: like we will expose the quote dirty laundry between you

673
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: and my husband, like the dads the gay stuff in

674
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: the seventies. And so they get them. The birch tolds

675
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: get the Brobergs to sign AffA Davits, saying they jan

676
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: went willingly. We knew where she was. It was fine

677
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: with us. We have every right to keep this within

678
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: our family.

679
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: So he took her to Mexico to get married right

680
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: when and they did get married.

681
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 6: Did they get married? We think they got married.

682
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 5: I mean they came back with a marriage certificate and

683
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 5: then the parents gave it to the FBI, and then

684
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 5: the FBI never made a copy. The parents never made

685
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 5: a copy, so we can never really find it anywhere.

686
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 5: But apparently they got married in Mexico.

687
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 2: Here's the point of confusion. I've had did so And

688
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: we were talking about this in another thing earlier today

689
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: that like how do we say this like, did they

690
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: did the Is there any world in which the parents

691
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: actually gave consent for the marriage in Mexico?

692
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 5: I don't think so. I mean, you know, again, it's

693
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 5: like who really knows.

694
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 6: But I mean, we are dealing.

695
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 5: With a faith that olderman marrying younger women isn't completely

696
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 5: outside of the norm. I mean, it doesn't happen all

697
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 5: the time, you know, but it has happened before. And

698
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 5: it depends on you know, I mean all of your

699
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 5: ld Yes, we'll talk about the fundamental lds, those Warren

700
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 5: Jeffs in the world.

701
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: And they will say that they are not the same,

702
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: not the.

703
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 5: Same thing, right, two very different sort of ideologies, and

704
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 5: so you know. But it's also living in close proximity

705
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 5: to that. So maybe it wasn't so unusual that an

706
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 5: older man would be marrying a younger girl.

707
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but still even if that is normal.

708
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's no, no, no, no, no no no.

709
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying.

710
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: Here, obsays we can don't underage marriage.

711
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 6: I don't know.

712
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 4: So what what are some like can you give us

713
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 4: like a little a little peak of like some things

714
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 4: that you'll be talking about on the podcast.

715
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 6: Well, we asked jan her thoughts on whether or not

716
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 6: her dad is gay, and.

717
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: Had her on the podcast.

718
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 5: Yeah for sure, Like we brought her in. We did

719
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 5: a big, long, like six hour long conversation with.

720
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 4: So because Yeah, there was a moment her dad very

721
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 4: like nonchalant. Well I shouldn't say that, but he he confessed,

722
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 4: like in this documentary that he had this experience. It's

723
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 4: kind of like that fire documentary where the guy, yeah,

724
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 4: you know what he talks about, like the blowjob scene

725
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 4: or whatever.

726
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: Like Andy King, I know that guy, do you? Yeah?

727
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: I mean, like he was like I could talk about

728
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: this for forever, but yeah, in an act of masturbation.

729
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 4: It's so interesting that how he just like confesses that,

730
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 4: like in the documentary, well, he'd never.

731
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 6: Talked about it really before.

732
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 5: I mean, and I think, honestly, I think that this

733
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 5: whole sort of situation that we were in where he

734
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 5: was kind of sitting there, we had a camera rolling,

735
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 5: we were hanging on his every word. You know, it's

736
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 5: such a different thing because you're talking to somebody and

737
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 5: nobody's kind of cutting you off or saying, oh yeah, yeah,

738
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 5: you're telling me this story.

739
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 6: I'm going to tell you my story.

740
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 5: You know, but you've got these people who are sitting

741
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 5: there behind the camera just listening and being quiet, And

742
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 5: I really really think that it was very cathartic for him.

743
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 5: He'd never really talked to his family about the details,

744
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 5: Like they knew something had happened, but they weren't sure

745
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 5: what exactly, And in fact, a lot of them kind

746
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 5: of talk about after the fact watching the documentary and

747
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 5: going on, I have more information now than I've ever

748
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 5: had about what happened.

749
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: We're saying that.

750
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and mary Anne too. I mean, he'd

751
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 5: never really talked to his wife about it, and then

752
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 5: she asked him about it the night, either the night

753
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 5: after his interview or maybe the night after her interview

754
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 5: when we were there. She'd asked him, well, you know,

755
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 5: what did you talk about? What did you tell them?

756
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 5: And he kind of gave her a few more details.

757
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 5: But then even watching the film, I think was a

758
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 5: revelation for a lot of them.

759
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: And was when the bad guy's wife, Gail, right, which

760
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: I know you.

761
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: Don't like it when I say that, but it's my favorite.

762
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 4: Thing, when she went to have them sign the affidavis

763
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 4: to be like, we're on blackmail. You did she so

764
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 4: she didn't say, like in front of the wife, like

765
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 4: we're going to tell that your man hooked up with

766
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 4: my man and.

767
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, well maybe not in a car

768
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 5: or maybe not which direction anything went. I mean she

769
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 5: definitely knew that something had happened and that Bob was

770
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 5: hugely emotional about it. And look, there's the blackmail. There's

771
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 5: a like signing. But what we didn't talk about really

772
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 5: is this emotional blackmail. I mean they're saying, you husband,

773
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 5: regardless of if it's a man or a woman, has

774
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 5: cheated on you, yeah, big time, bad, bad, bad, and

775
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 5: that he did it with a man even more bad, bad,

776
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 5: bad and embarrassing. And so all of a sudden, these

777
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 5: parents are like, going, is our marriage going to break up?

778
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 5: Is my husband gay? The husband Bob saying, am I gay?

779
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 5: And they're thinking about their own dramas and completely not

780
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 5: thinking about their little girl. So it's such a manipulative

781
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 5: thing to kind of go and say, I need to

782
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 5: make you feel shame, and I need to make you

783
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 5: feel shame as much shame as I can come up with,

784
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 5: so that I can kind of go and secretly go

785
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 5: off with your daughter.

786
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: Mom, sir, Yeah, but there's a lot of stuff, Like

787
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: there's a whole subplot that was left out of the

788
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: film about Birch told the kidnapper going to Mexico and

789
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: trying to adopt a little girl from there that got

790
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: cut from the film.

791
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 5: We have all that in the audio recording, Like I

792
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 5: love the bad guy saying that like.

793
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 2: His audio journalist from the seventies that were recovered by

794
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: the FBI that Sky and her team were able to get,

795
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: which is just unbelievable.

796
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 5: He died in like two thousand and I want to

797
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 5: say four or five something around in there.

798
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

799
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: Wow.

800
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: There's also we have tape of Gail the wife. She

801
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: did audio journals too, and we have her in the podcast.

802
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know it is crazy, insane and

803
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: is it out already?

804
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: Yeah? All four episodes are available to binge right the

805
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 2: second amazing wherever you get your podcasts.

806
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing later.

807
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 4: So I want to ask you this guy as a

808
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 4: director of documentaries, So how do you feel about if

809
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 4: someone was doing a paranormal documentary and they made it fake,

810
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 4: you know, they doctor it a little bit.

811
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: Did you hear what we were talking about?

812
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I totally did, so it is it is

813
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 5: somewhat unethical. I think you know to do that. It's

814
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 5: it's interesting because I think that you have certain sort

815
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 5: of tools at your fingertips that you can help kind

816
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 5: of create the drama. But I think like the drama

817
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 5: that you were talking about, like augmenting or enhancing a

818
00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 5: voice or a monster voice and an exorcism in a documentary,

819
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 5: I mean that's the thing is like, yeah, I think

820
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 5: you do have to sort of say, look, this is

821
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 5: this is not.

822
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: Real because I will say it until I'm getting as

823
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: mad as I was when we covered it on TCO.

824
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: If that sound really came out of her, she was possessed.

825
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: She was definitely, and the devil was like, bitch, I'm

826
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: coming out like.

827
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 4: And they they presented it to us as if, yes,

828
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 4: that is what happened. Yes, she is possessed, And here's

829
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 4: the footage.

830
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's ridiculous because it sounds possessed. The only

831
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: thing is that it sounds exactly like any monster demon

832
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 2: possession sound that you've heard in any fake, actual narrative movie.

833
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: So it's like, I don't know, but here's.

834
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 4: My question also about possessions and like these documentaries that

835
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 4: I see like that, So that is specifically like a

836
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 4: Catholic church kind of possession that the.

837
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: Catholics get possessed. By the way, your guys, That's sort.

838
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 4: Of what I'm wondering, because I think that there are

839
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 4: other there are other Christian religions that do sort of

840
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 4: you know, where they put the hands on the people,

841
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 4: and like, I don't know what exactly is going on

842
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 4: up that is possession. But what I'm wondering is why

843
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 4: is that only like I don't hear about that very

844
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 4: much in America.

845
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, like.

846
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 4: There's been a couple of famous cases and like the

847
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 4: one that inspired the Exorcist movie.

848
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, it seems like by the way, there's.

849
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: An article in Weird magazine about a guy who tracks

850
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 2: down the little boy that the Exorcist is actually made up,

851
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: made about as an adult, as an adult, and in

852
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 2: this article, I like read it once a year and

853
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: you just google like Weird, W E I R D

854
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 2: Magazine the Exorcist, and it'll it's like this amazing investigative

855
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 2: p It's unbelievable.

856
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, Yeah.

857
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm just saying, like they talk about in

858
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 4: the documentary, like thousands of exorcisms that this man has done,

859
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 4: and I don't hear about that very much in America.

860
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: No, And I think because I think that, you know,

861
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 2: my takeaway on that whole thing was, like, I think

862
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: that people can believe that they are possessed. I think

863
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: that people who are deeply religious can be made to

864
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: believe that they are so bad that they have to

865
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: be possessed in order to have done whatever the people

866
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: around them are saying they have done that have made

867
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: them so bad. Like this is my problem with organized

868
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: religion in general, is how powerful and manipulative it can be.

869
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: I get that for some people it's not that at all,

870
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: and it is really enriching to their lives, but like,

871
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, this exorcism shit is bullshit, And like I'm

872
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: not saying that people can't be possessed, but likely the

873
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 2: only Catholics and typically women who are. Like and it's

874
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 2: so upsetting. If you watch the exorcism, they are forcibly

875
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: holding this woman down and hitting her. It's horrible to watch.

876
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is rough.

877
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm getting so mad.

878
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: Do you have paranormal experiences?

879
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 5: Well, so, one thing, like when I was thinking about it,

880
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 5: in terms of this sort of coming on this podcast.

881
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 5: There was something that happened while we were shooting abducted

882
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 5: in plain sights. Really that was kind of creepy and

883
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 5: really weird. So we went to the house that the

884
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 5: Brobergs had lived in when all of this abuse happened.

885
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: Right, Robergs are the good people, right, the parents?

886
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

887
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, And and they don't live there anymore. They sold

888
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 5: the house. Somebody bought the house and they were renting

889
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 5: it out. So the people who were currently living there

890
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 5: had moved in and their little girl, I mean she

891
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 5: was like one or two years old, was in Jan's bedroom,

892
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 5: like the bedroom that Jan had been in where all

893
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 5: of this abuse had happened. So it's really really creepy.

894
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 5: And where there's this again in Pocatello, Idaho. Okay, so

895
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 5: she's living or sleeping in this bedroom and the mom's

896
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 5: talking about yeah, she just you know, for the first

897
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 5: two or three weeks, she was really upset. She was crying,

898
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 5: she wouldn't go to sleep, and she was talking about

899
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 5: this bad man that would appear in the corner and

900
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 5: he would be dressed all in white, and I was.

901
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god.

902
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 5: Birch told was always dressed in white. Oh my god,

903
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 5: that's one thing they said their interviews as Birch told

904
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 5: this wore this white suit. And she was like, there's

905
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 5: a bad man. There's a bad man. And so the

906
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 5: mom would was sleeping, like would put a mattress down

907
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 5: and sleep next.

908
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 2: To her, and she sent to sleep.

909
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 5: Bedroom I know, bedroom. Yeah.

910
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 6: But then I'm like, so what happened?

911
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: What?

912
00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 6: How did he go away?

913
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 5: And her dad, who was like a bishop in the

914
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 5: Mormon church, gave her a blessing and that made him

915
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:07,959
Speaker 5: go away.

916
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: See, say what we want. That shit seems to work.

917
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: And I know I don't like it.

918
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: I totally agree.

919
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 4: So okay, but did they know about the history of

920
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 4: that house at that time?

921
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 5: At that time, they didn't. I'm not entirely certain when

922
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 5: they knew the history of the house, but it was

923
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 5: before we came along and asked them about it. Like

924
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 5: they had sort of put it together with the Brobergs

925
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 5: and all of that. And then Jan was there with us,

926
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 5: and Mary Anne the mom was there with us, and

927
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 5: they were kind of talking about things, and they'd kind

928
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 5: of all put it together and they're like, oh, that's

929
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 5: Jan's bedroom and all of that. Yeah, so they didn't

930
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 5: have all this knowledge and sort of, you know, created

931
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 5: this whole scenario.

932
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: It's like Birch told this bastard can't just be dead.

933
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: He's got to come back and haunt them.

934
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got unfinished business.

935
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 4: I'm for sure, for sure, that story is a great

936
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 4: crossover for what we're talking about here with your pop

937
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 4: guests in this podcast.

938
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

939
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 6: It's amazing.

940
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 5: It's amazing because I remember thinking about it, just going

941
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 5: we were so freaked out by this, by this story.

942
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 5: And then I went back and I was like listening

943
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 5: to it, to the interview that I have all the

944
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 5: footage that's in this big hard drive, you know, and

945
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, and I just got chills again

946
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 5: because it's so creepy.

947
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: God, do you guys want to listen to ghost voices?

948
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 6: Yes?

949
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, it's time for EVP or ev please. Do

950
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: you know what EVP is?

951
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: No? I don't.

952
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 4: It's electronic voice phenomenon. So it's when they capture a

953
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 4: ghost speaking on camera with a digital recorder.

954
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: And I like to go to YouTube.

955
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 4: I find people's EVPs, and I want you guys to

956
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 4: guess what they believe this ghost is saying, Okay, Now,

957
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 4: I wanted to get New York ghosts, but I've used

958
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 4: pretty much all the New York ghosts up on YouTube.

959
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 4: I found some video from huff Paranormal, who is a

960
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 4: YouTube channel that just like they're like EVP Royalty. They

961
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: are just like posting evp's non stop left and right.

962
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am, they get.

963
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: Tons of views. But this one was I can't really

964
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: tell where this video is.

965
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 4: It's kind of unclear. The word NYC was in the title,

966
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 4: but this seems to be I can't really tell where

967
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 4: this was. It was too much work for me, but

968
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 4: it's it's in a video. At least these EVPs were

969
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 4: taken in a hotel room. Later, he walks around.

970
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: The streets of New York and he hears ghost voices. Okay, wait,

971
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: so I'm so scared.

972
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: I'm scared.

973
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: Well, okay, tell me what you think this ghost is.

974
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 5: Okay, I want you.

975
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: It's a lot of like fuzz.

976
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 4: Sorry I should have warned you, but you can hear

977
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 4: in the bad just if you really get this focus in.

978
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 6: Or I like you.

979
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 4: I can only hear I want you, or I like you,

980
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 4: I want you, or I like yeah that's all I

981
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 4: ever hear.

982
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: Okay, is it a you're not my wife?

983
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 4: What scenario would that page my wife? B?

984
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: Sure girl? Tonight? See turn off the light or d

985
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: turned down? For what you know? Little John?

986
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: Wait? Can we hear it again? Yeah, turn off the light.

987
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: That's what they think it is. Turn off the light? Less?

988
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 1: This again?

989
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 2: Oh my god? How am I supposed to go back?

990
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 2: How am I going to sleep in my creepy hotel

991
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: room tonight?

992
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 6: What you're saying at the W a creepy hotel?

993
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: I don't like that.

994
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 4: That's a creepy hotel. I can lead you in the

995
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 4: direction of some creepy hotel. Wait, I do want to

996
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 4: talk about the caeseon hotel. But wait, let's talk. Let's

997
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 4: do one more EVP Okay, this one same video? Uh Now,

998
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 4: this to me sounds pretty clear. And he says that

999
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 4: there was no TV on the hotel didn't even have

1000
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 4: a TV.

1001
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: So what is the say? This was also at the

1002
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: W hotel. Okay, let's listen to it.

1003
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: I made with you again, I.

1004
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 6: Need you to go.

1005
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 1: I need you to go. What do you think.

1006
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 5: I made?

1007
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: I need to I need to go, I need to go.

1008
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: And you said what I need you to go? I

1009
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: need you to go? Okay, is it a I made

1010
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: him go?

1011
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 4: B make it go see Two Birds, One Stone or

1012
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 4: D I'm staying at the w Definitely I'm gonna go

1013
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 4: with I made I made him go.

1014
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: That sounds like very clear. Yeah, Okay, Wait, let's talk

1015
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: about the season hotel. So do you know about this?

1016
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: Please?

1017
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: Oh, Sky, you're in for crazy.

1018
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1019
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: They need to make a documentary about it.

1020
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: They do. So.

1021
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 4: Basically I first heard about it, when a lot of

1022
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 4: people heard about it was because there was Alisa Lamb. Yes,

1023
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 4: so this woman was found in the water tank on

1024
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 4: the roof of this old depression era hotel and downtown

1025
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 4: Los Angeles.

1026
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: You could go.

1027
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 4: See it after this, yeah, yeah, And basically there's a

1028
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 4: lot of unclear things because no one knows how she

1029
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 4: got in there. No one knows if it was suicide,

1030
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 4: no one knows if some foul play or paranormal. But

1031
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 4: people started complaining that the water tasted like bodies, or

1032
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 4: it tasted weird.

1033
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: The water was like discolored, it was like taste.

1034
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 4: And gross, and then so they went up in the

1035
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 4: water tank and they found her. But that place in

1036
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 4: particular has had maybe dozens of deaths and suicides and

1037
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 4: murderers living there.

1038
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: But there's more to that story because the other thing

1039
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 2: about it is there's the security footage of her in

1040
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: the elements. So she's in the elevator and she's doing

1041
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you have to look this up. It's so crazy.

1042
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: It's so creepy.

1043
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: She's like in the elevator and she's like hiding and

1044
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: then she like looks out and then she hides.

1045
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like she's reacting to something that is

1046
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: not there. Now. She also was mentally ill and so but.

1047
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: She was like on a vacation. She was like she

1048
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: was well enough to be able to travel by herself

1049
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: to Los Angeles.

1050
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 4: It was all very mysterious. Yeah, so no one knows,

1051
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 4: but I do know that. So Okay, a lot of

1052
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 4: people have jumped out of the windows, and in fact,

1053
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 4: one time somebody jumped out of a window and landed

1054
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 4: on someone that was walking.

1055
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: Down the street.

1056
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: And that's the worst fear in New York. By the way,

1057
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: I'm always looking at yeah, that some asshole is like

1058
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: today's the day and they're taking me with him.

1059
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 4: No, So basically was gonna say, is there is a

1060
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 4: photo that somebody took that of a window there that

1061
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 4: from the outside that appears to be a ghost.

1062
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: Jumping out of a window.

1063
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'll.

1064
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: Post it in our Facebook group. Goes by rous but yeah,

1065
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: look it up.

1066
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 2: It's so One of the things I've heard about the

1067
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: Cecil Hotel is that like if you get in the

1068
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: elevator and you take you travel in the elevator in

1069
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: a certain sequence, the doors will open and you'll be

1070
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: in another dimension. Yeah.

1071
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1072
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: I think you can find it. It's like it's online somewhere.

1073
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: But it's like they say that that's what she was

1074
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: trying to do. Well, she was like trying to take

1075
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 2: the elevator in a certain sequence.

1076
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: Well, that place is definitely a building with bad do do. Like,

1077
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: they're not.

1078
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 2: Called Cecil anymore, I think, right.

1079
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 4: They tried to rebrand it to a place called Stay

1080
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 4: on Maine, but it still has like that old brick

1081
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 4: like painted on the building it says Cecil Hotel.

1082
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: Oh wow, now I want to I last I heard

1083
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: it was this is pretty recent. It was like not open.

1084
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. They're just constantly trying to be like, no.

1085
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: It not happened.

1086
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 6: Like, embrace him. You're not going to run away from it.

1087
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 4: So yeah, but because also like the Nightstalker Richard Ramirez

1088
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 4: lived there when he was doing some murders, there was

1089
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 4: another murderer that was killing women that lived there.

1090
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 6: Have you been there?

1091
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 4: Well, this one night, I was like this is very me.

1092
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, I don't know what to do tonight.

1093
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 4: Let's go someplace spooky. So I called up my friend

1094
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 4: and I was like, let's just like go and see

1095
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,479
Speaker 4: what's up. Because from what it sounds like, ladies are

1096
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 4: just going into the water tanks, so they won't notice

1097
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 4: that we don't stay there, so let's just go in.

1098
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1099
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 4: So we like walked in and I'd already seen the

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Speaker 4: video of her in the elevator and everything, and the

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Speaker 4: people there was just people you know that work there

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Speaker 4: in the lobby, and they just kind of looked at

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Speaker 4: us like whatever, and we just acted like we stayed here.

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Speaker 4: And we went into the elevator and it was so

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Speaker 4: surrealvator because I've seen that video so many times and

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Speaker 4: I'm in the elevator going up and we were just like,

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Speaker 4: let's just go to like the highest floor.

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Speaker 1: And then walk around. I don't know what to do,

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Speaker 1: so would you do?

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Speaker 4: So we just we went all the way up and

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Speaker 4: we started walking around, and I'm I think I'm a

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Speaker 4: little sensitive to two energies, and it was just I.

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Speaker 1: Didn't like it there.

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Speaker 2: Did you go up to the roof?

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Speaker 4: We know, we didn't go up to the roof, but

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Speaker 4: we walked. We went to a floor and it's very

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Speaker 4: like hostile where it's like a community bathroom kind of thing,

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Speaker 4: and so we just kind of walked around and I got.

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Speaker 6: I totally want to go.

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Speaker 2: I should go. I want to go.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's open or not, but I

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Speaker 4: know it was real cheap to stay there. We didn't

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Speaker 4: stay there.

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Speaker 2: It seems like it would be.

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Speaker 6: Definitely you didn't stay there.

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Speaker 2: You can't tell the W at the Cecil Hotel.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it's not.

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Speaker 2: It's not like I have expensive taste. I'm just afraid

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Speaker 2: at the W.

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Speaker 4: But then eventually someone caught us after like literally like

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Speaker 4: five minutes of a bitch, get out of here. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: And I was so glad they did, because I did

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Speaker 4: not like it up there.

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Speaker 2: God, can you imagine working there, Like imagine being on

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Speaker 2: staff at the Cecil.

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Speaker 4: And they must deal with people like me all the time,

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Speaker 4: all the time. It's like they have more of us

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Speaker 4: than they do guests. Oh, I'm sure, but it is

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Speaker 4: like a less than one hundred dollars a night kind

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Speaker 4: of place, like I can't remember, crazy, I can't remember

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Speaker 4: if it's open or not.

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Speaker 1: I have to look that up. But oh, it's time

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Speaker 1: to wrap it up.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's been so much fun fun. I'm

1145
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 2: sorry I got so mad about the Catholic Church.

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Speaker 6: It's okay, it's okay. It happens to us, it.

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00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 4: Does, so so tell people again where to find you, guys,

1148
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 4: and what's going on.

1149
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 2: So you can find Obsessed with Abducted in plain sight

1150
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 2: anywhere you get your podcasts. You can find my other

1151
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,959
Speaker 2: podcast through Crime Obsessed wherever you get your podcasts. Uh,

1152
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 2: you can check out our network. It's the Obsessed network

1153
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: dot com and you can see all the podcasts would make. Yeah.

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00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 5: And for me, I don't know, I'm so terrible at

1155
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 5: that social media stuff. But all of my socials are

1156
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Speaker 5: Skyboorgman and my production company is top Not Films.

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Speaker 2: And you can watch Netflix anywhere if you haven't.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true, that's true.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I highly recommend it.

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Speaker 2: Wait did I say obsessed with? What did I say?

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00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: Oh? What did you say?

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00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: What I said? You can watch You can watch anybody.

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Speaker 1: Of Holy Waters.

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Speaker 2: Your your movie is called Abducted in plain Site.

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Speaker 6: Oh it is, it is.

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 2: That's what it's called. And you can watch it anywhere.

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00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: But I'll watch it if you haven't.

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Speaker 1: And also go watch The Devil and Father Amort.

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Speaker 2: So weird, you guys. Don't go in with high hopes.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thank you, guys, thank you, thanks for having us.

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Speaker 1: Of course.

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Speaker 4: All right, well now you got some stuff to go

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00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 4: binge watch and listen to as well, and lots of

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Speaker 4: sleep paralysis today. But you know what, it wouldn't be

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Speaker 4: a ghosted episode if we didn't talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 4: I love you guys so much, and again I hope

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Speaker 4: everyone is staying safe and healthy. You can always go

1180
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 4: listen to old episodes and the mean time. And I

1181
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 4: think I'm gonna do this thing that I'm going to

1182
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 4: commit to where I am just on this podcast feed

1183
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 4: so you don't have to do anything as long as

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Speaker 4: you're subscribed. I'm going to just post little, you know,

1185
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 4: maybe ten to fifteen minute episodes of me just talking,

1186
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Speaker 4: not even necessarily just about ghosts, and you can definitely

1187
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 4: listen to it if you want to be kept company

1188
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 4: and we'll see how that goes. So I'm gonna start

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Speaker 4: doing that next week, so look out for those. Of course,

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Speaker 4: you can find me on Instagram at Roz dress Fuls, Cameo,

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00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 4: Roz dress Fales, Benmo Queen Roz. You can join our

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00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 4: Facebook group ghosted by Roz dress Fales if you have

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00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 4: a spooky story. Also, I want to do a listener

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Speaker 4: episode again coming up soon, so be sure to send

1195
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 4: me those ghost stories at ghosted by Roz at gmail

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00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 4: dot com and be sure to put listener episode in

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Speaker 4: the subject line. Please rate the show five stars on

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00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 4: Apple Podcasts and tell your friends about it. Maybe they

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Speaker 4: want to listen to it while we're locked up. I

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Speaker 4: love you all, both living and dead.

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Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

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Speaker 1: haunt me.

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Speaker 3: Hey bye.

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Speaker 1: Star bands are a podcast a podcast network. Mm hm