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Speaker 1: Welcome Inside with the Insiders, another Monday podcast edition a

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Speaker 1: little over twenty four hours as we record this ahead

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Speaker 1: of the NFL trade deadline. THAT'SI in rapoport. I'm Tom Pelicero.

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Speaker 1: I am going to issue a blanket disclaimer because we

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Speaker 1: gives us the freedom that if something happens and one

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Speaker 1: other one is responsible for going into four minute offense

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Speaker 1: keeping the show rolling, but rest assured a we will

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Speaker 1: be back at b It must be a very important

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Speaker 1: call because there are a lot of different possibilities as

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Speaker 1: we come up to the deadline. We will get to

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Speaker 1: one trade that already happened a little bit later on

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Speaker 1: in the show. But let's start out ian as we

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Speaker 1: do every Monday, by taking a look back at the

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Speaker 1: Sunday of Week nine, specifically starting out with the injuries.

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Speaker 1: It was a nightmare for the commanders in every capacity,

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Speaker 1: giving up twenty eight points to a literally perfect Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold in the first half to the injuries that began

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Speaker 1: to mount to being down by thirty one points, I

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Speaker 1: believe in the fourth quarter keeping Jaden Daniels on the field,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he suffers what may not

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Speaker 1: be the most serious injury, but definitely one of the

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Speaker 1: more gruesome injuries we've seen in the game. What's the latest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a dislocated elbow, which you know, this

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Speaker 2: is kind of like we talked about with Cam Scatabo.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you look down in the field, you see it.

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Speaker 2: You know, we all need to talk to sources, we

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Speaker 2: all need to get confirmation, and so you know, you

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Speaker 2: wait till you get the text at one in the morning,

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Speaker 2: inevitably to sleep through it, only to do it at

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Speaker 2: six am. But it is one of those where you

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Speaker 2: look down in the field, you know it's a dislocated elbow,

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Speaker 2: Like that's just that's what it is. You knew was bad,

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Speaker 2: the arm was going the wrong way. I didn't need

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Speaker 2: were negative, and it seems like it's gonna be better

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Speaker 2: as opposed to worse. The worst would be out for

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Speaker 2: the season, multiple ligament tears. You know the Latin next

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Speaker 2: time we see Jaden Danis is on the field for

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. More reality for this one is that

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Speaker 2: it is not as bad. He's probably going in IR.

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Speaker 2: I think that's almost certain as of right now. He's

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Speaker 2: Not as bad as expected. That means at least Jane

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Speaker 2: But if that's the case, then I also wonder does

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Speaker 2: the commander's record is what is it three and six?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 4: Whatever's three and six?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so like you know, let's say they are four

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Speaker 2: And I would say, you know, that's that's certainly a question.

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Speaker 2: So you know, we will see, we'll see based on

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Speaker 2: where the commanders are. But I think long term, not

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Speaker 2: the worst news for Jaden Daniels.

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Speaker 1: And for anybody who didn't see the injury too. We

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Speaker 1: should clarify this is his non throwing arm. It's his

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Speaker 1: dislocated elbow. You get I don't know, a dozen of

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Speaker 1: his non throwing arm, rolling around with a gigantic brace

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Speaker 1: like the one that Jaden Daniels was wearing as he

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Speaker 1: for the long haul, and at three and six, honestly,

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Speaker 1: it's a little different. These are medical decisions, just like

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Speaker 1: Their medical decisions to hold him back. But realistically, if

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Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin is still not healthy at this point. Nor

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is wild though, as it happens, and I'm

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Speaker 2: sure Commanders fans rightfully show are going through it today.

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Speaker 2: I mean, last year, you know, from the Hail Mary on,

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Speaker 4: Everything went right for the Commanders. They had that at all,

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Speaker 4: And this year it was an off season that felt

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Speaker 2: Samuel, like one of the last pieces Larer made Tonsil,

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Speaker 2: a thirty something left tackle. Pay a lot of money

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Speaker 2: for these guys. In me, Deebo, they paid seventeen million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Pay a lot of money for these guys. You hope

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Speaker 2: and instead they've had injury after injury. Terry mcclaurin hasn't

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Speaker 2: You know, it seems like a lot of the acquisitions

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Speaker 2: and signings have been fine. You know, Austin Eckler tears

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Speaker 2: their thirties, you know have deal with similar injuries. Has

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Speaker 2: just been a nightmare. And then you know Marsha and Lattimore,

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Speaker 2: last year. You know he is feared to have torn

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Speaker 2: have Luke McCaffrey, not a household name except for his

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Speaker 4: He is out for the season. Where they toured, cut,

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Speaker 3: Broken collar bone.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how long you want me to go,

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Speaker 1: They're one of the oldest teams in the NFL. I

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Speaker 1: can't remember if they were number one or number two

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Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner, all these guys. The issue with older players,

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Speaker 1: not quite the same guys this year. So you're absolutely

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Speaker 1: right for team. Also, the traded draft capital to get

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Speaker 1: the trade deadline. Meanwhile, we also had a major injury

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there was a single player who

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Speaker 1: Tucker Craft freak athlete. Physical dude looks like somewhere in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, more than a scare, a torn acl out for

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Speaker 4: the season. And you know, we spent a lot of time.

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Speaker 4: You know, you try to find out what these injuries are,

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Listen to Matt Lafour yesterday. His language, body language and

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Speaker 2: actual language was this is a disaster. And he's not

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Speaker 1: I don't think he doesn't look good though his code

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Speaker 2: You should probably make some calls because yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah and so like. But but I thought that sequence

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Speaker 3: God forbid, this is up there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, because you know, they have a lot of receivers,

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Speaker 2: they have a lot of different weapons. I don't know

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Speaker 2: like how many I mean the Lions do vikings sort

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Speaker 2: a lot of them. You know, you mentioned Gronk. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he's the guy who looks just like Gronk. He really does,

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Speaker 2: you know, he looks just like Gronk. So you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how the Packers can deal with it,

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Speaker 2: I remember when the Packers lost David Baktiari like the

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Speaker 1: Stroud also had a concussion in the game yesterday. So potentially,

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Speaker 1: Davis Mills a guy that Texans have invested and reinvested in.

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Speaker 1: If there's any team that feels like they've got a

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Speaker 1: Let's also talk about we referenced some of the moves

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Speaker 1: as sellers. The Dolphins have already entered into that mode,

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Speaker 1: on Friday, And with that came this total tone shift

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Speaker 1: guessing here the same Boaty and GM's were saying when

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Speaker 1: they were calling outside of like just kind of the

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Speaker 1: just we're not interested in doing that. Well, all of

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Speaker 1: Kelly taking over as the interim general manager, it became

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Speaker 1: with of course ownerships blessing, we're open to talking about

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Speaker 1: anybody on the roster. Teams are really aggressive about the

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Speaker 1: pass rushers. And they got one of those deals done

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Speaker 1: on Sunday night with Jalen Phillips.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jalen Phillips goes from the Dolphins to the Eagles.

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Speaker 4: Dolphins pay the bulk of his salary, which helps the

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Speaker 4: three instead of probably being a four, which is a

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Speaker 4: pretty high price. And so like that of all the

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Speaker 4: if you're the Dolphins and you're trying to trade Bradley Chubb,

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Speaker 1: Bad yesterday seven seven, last another night, but I very.

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Speaker 1: Night or from the insiders. After this, let's welcome our

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Speaker 3: Five, tom it might be the top one.

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Speaker 5: You know, I didn't think anything crazier than the Denver

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Speaker 3: And then this Swiss cheese defense, which.

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Speaker 5: Looked good on first and second down, allows Caleb Williams

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Speaker 3: They're playing for the field goal.

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Speaker 5: Guys, First off, three three defensive players have asked out right,

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Speaker 5: Three have asked out to me. That doesn't tell me

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Speaker 5: you got a problem with your teammates. That tells me

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Speaker 5: you got a problem with something or somebody in the organization.

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Speaker 5: But also you just look at this and Tom, you

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Speaker 5: nailed it. Just years of missing on defensive talent, you

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Speaker 5: know it. Just I don't know what they're gonna do.

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Speaker 5: But I mean you just see offensively, they Joe Flacco

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Speaker 5: comes in and change everything offensively, So that's one player,

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Speaker 5: but defensively they might be eight or nine guys away

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Speaker 5: from fixing. And again, coaching, we can blame it all.

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Speaker 5: I saw mistackles, I saw a lack of effort. I

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Speaker 5: just to me, it's player execution and player want to

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Speaker 5: more than anything like that last touchdown was just a

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Speaker 5: mess in terms of they look tired.

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Speaker 3: Players want to step up and make a play.

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Speaker 1: Also credit to Ben Johnson for anybody who was wondering,

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Speaker 1: you know about the leadership traits. He's just the guy

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Speaker 1: in the dark room drawing up plays. Watch any Ben

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Speaker 1: Johnson post game speech right now and you are gonna

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Speaker 1: be fired up. I mean, Caleb Williams, how many different

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Speaker 1: people over the last year talked about how the Bears

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Speaker 1: blew it and took the wrong quarterback and that's not

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Speaker 1: a slight at all. Jade Daniels as unbelievable as a rookie.

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Speaker 1: But Kim Williams is playing like a dude. Ben Johnson's

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Speaker 1: making use of everything. Kleb Williams is catching touchdowns. He's

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Speaker 1: done a phenomenal job. So it's almost two hundred yards. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Mike Rabil also first year out. I mean, benjen is

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Speaker 1: going to be a Coach of the Year candidate as

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Speaker 1: it's going down right now. Mike Rabel is probably the

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Speaker 1: guy to beat seven and two at this stage. After

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Speaker 1: holding on to beat the Falcons yesterday, Steve just I

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Speaker 1: keep going back to it. I was their week one

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Speaker 1: in Foxborough. They didn't look good, so they were zero

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Speaker 1: to one, losing to the Raiders, which have barely played

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Speaker 1: a good game since. There's seven and one since that game,

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Speaker 1: and it just seems like from Drake May on down,

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Speaker 1: they get better every week.

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Speaker 3: First off, Tom Shane Steiken would like a word, but

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Speaker 3: I love the look the Patriots defense.

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Speaker 5: You can't run on them, right, So Atlanta found that

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Speaker 3: So they're throwing the ball all over the place. But

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Speaker 3: Drake May, who.

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Speaker 5: Got sacked what five or six times yesterday, he still

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Speaker 5: stood up and made plays when he had to.

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Speaker 3: They that was a game that they survived.

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Speaker 5: That is the proper technique, cause if Atlanta doesn't miss

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Speaker 5: a pat they could be losing that game. You know,

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Speaker 5: in overtime, we don't know. So this is where the Patriots,

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Speaker 5: when you look at their schedule coming up, like they

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Speaker 5: have a late buy, they still have to get by

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Speaker 5: four more games they've bet at Tampa Bay Giants Sincy

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Jets since and then Giants before the bye.

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Speaker 5: So now this is a survival game. You got to

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Speaker 5: get through these four games before you get to the

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Speaker 5: buy and refresh, because then you come out with bills

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Speaker 5: of Baltimore. So we're really going to see the metal.

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Speaker 5: Everyone talks about the strength of schedule being easy for

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Speaker 5: the Patriots, but that late bye is taxing or could.

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Speaker 1: Be a great thing if you're about to make a

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Speaker 1: deep playoff run, because listen, I'm not saying it's any

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Speaker 1: given Sunday, but Jets, Bengals and Giants, if you're just

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Speaker 1: playing the percentage this year, we might be talking about

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Speaker 1: a ten to two Patriots at the by sitting there

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Speaker 1: as the number one seed e and with time to go,

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Speaker 1: with those tough games still coming up down the stretch.

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Speaker 2: You know, and this really this we talked about the

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Speaker 2: Commanders earlier in the show. This feels like really the

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Speaker 2: Commanders last year, you know, because it's like they got

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Speaker 2: a quarterback. You know, quarterback can really obviously elevate them.

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Speaker 2: And it felt like like last year with the Commanders

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Speaker 2: and Mike Frabel too, It's like you get some core

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Speaker 2: a little bit better, you get like the middle thirty

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Speaker 2: guys to be a little bit tougher and a little

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Speaker 2: bit better, and special teams are better, and it kind

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Speaker 2: of just elevates everything. All of a sudden, you're winning

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Speaker 2: close games and you're good. Mike Frabel has been absolutely

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Speaker 2: the perfect tire for the Patriot Drake May.

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Speaker 4: Has been really good.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday was okay, but has been really really good. This

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Speaker 2: looks like a team, you know, really on the rise.

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Speaker 4: And I don't even know that their personnel is kind

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Speaker 4: of where they want it anyway. I mean, they got

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Speaker 4: a Stefon Diggs is good, but they got a bunch

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Speaker 4: of number two and three receivers. I mean they just

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Speaker 4: offensive lines, okay, I mean they're not where they want

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Speaker 4: to be. Still a really good team. Definitely a team

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Speaker 4: to look out for this year and moving forward.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, that Falcons team that was a

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Speaker 1: missed extra point some other bounces away yesterday of beating

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Speaker 1: the Patriots. They're on an NFL network playing the Colts

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Speaker 1: in Berlin, the first Berlin game of all time for

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Next Sunday, nine thirty am Eastern kickoff our show,

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Speaker 1: Ian and I will be on at seven am Eastern.

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Speaker 1: That's an early wake up call, and we know that

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Speaker 1: you will all be there as well. All right, for

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Speaker 1: those of you watching on the Fast channel, the NFL

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Speaker 1: channel on Fast drimming platforms, stick around. There's more. There's

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Speaker 1: a two part podcast, so if you're on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: just go over and find part two. More with Steve

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Speaker 1: Bridgakona is going to join us there as well. For

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Speaker 1: you in rapport, I'm Tom Hilla Cyril. See there