1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Native Plan Pod is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: with Recent Choice Media. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: all right, Welcome home, everybody. This is Tiffany Gross, Andrew 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Gailam and Angela Rai and you are tuned into this 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: week's mini pod. Welcome Home. Welcome Home is not enthusiastic enough. 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: Welcome, we mean it, We mean it. 7 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 3: I mean it. 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: I don't have to yell to be we mean it. 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: Welcome home. This is our home and this is your home. 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: And just like any family, we have disagreements sometimes, and 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: so we thought it was important to share one of 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: those more heated, intense discussions that we had last week 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 1: with you all, and to know that right after that 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: podcast was over, maybe ten minutes after everybody was good, 15 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: we were all all back, because that's how it works 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: with family. 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,319 Speaker 3: Well, you skip some steps, but I'll let you have it. 18 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: What do you we can say what we want to 19 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: say about it. And Andrew, do you want me to 20 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: say the whole thing or do you want me to say. 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: I'll say this is I knew that in the moment 22 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: while we had already had a long day, and then 23 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: of course we got to the subject of what value 24 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: each of us puts on what we choose and desire 25 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: to platform. And that does feel a little personal because 26 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: you're now asking me what lens, what vet do I 27 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: put on on on what I think we should be 28 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: talking about on the show, and to the extent that 29 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 2: we scrutinize each other's you know, vetting, it could feel 30 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: real personal. So I completely got that. But I will 31 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: sell you this and I think I said this angelout tip. 32 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: I can't remember who one of y'all that. What I 33 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: knew in that moment, although it was very tense and whatnot, 34 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: was that we were not going to leave New York 35 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: without resolution, which is not something that I would bet on. 36 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: And many really relationships that I know of, friendships, romantic 37 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: relationships are otherwise where you have confidence that there's enough 38 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: love and respect in this space that before we leave 39 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 2: this place we will be reconciled, even if it is 40 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: we still disagree. But guess what, it was never my 41 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: intention to hurt you and not I'm really sorry that 42 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 2: you were hurt by what I say, like that backhanded thing. 43 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: Right fact, that's not going to happen because that's not 44 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: who we are that's not who we are at this 45 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: stage in our lives. And the other thing that I 46 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: appreciate about who we are and not who we are 47 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: about this stage in our lives is that I don't 48 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: think either of us feel like we've got to beast 49 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: one another like we got to one up end. I 50 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 2: don't feel like I have anything to prove to either 51 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: one of you. What I felt like I want to 52 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: do is to show up as my best self every time, 53 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: and even in those moments where I can't. I want 54 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: to be able to count on the fact that y'all 55 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: know me well enough that you and loved me and 56 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: care for me enough that you'll have grace and those 57 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: moments where we can't. And so I just I know 58 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 2: y'all have more to say about this, because you had 59 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: some after conversation. I just felt like, I know it's 60 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: heated right now, but you know what, keep it pushing 61 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: because we're not leaving this space without feeling complete. 62 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: I love that. I think you know. 63 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 4: I was feeling really defensive, and I was telling Tiff 64 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 4: when we walked out of the room, like we were 65 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 4: all walking down the stairs quietly. We recorded some other 66 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 4: evergreen content that honestly, it might end up being trash 67 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 4: because my energy was completely off. I wouldn't even hardly 68 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,839 Speaker 4: look at tiv I was like lookingside was talking about 69 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 4: Andrew feels like he was talking himself, which doesn't just 70 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 4: happen when we're mad. 71 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 3: Sometimes Andrew to preach it anyway by himself. 72 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 4: He'd be like, somebody gonna get it, hello, lights. But 73 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 4: the bottom line is I literally walked out the room 74 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 4: and I turned around the Tivy. I was like, you 75 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 4: hurt my feelings, and I was in tears, and then 76 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 4: she was like, don't cry. You're gonna make me cry, 77 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 4: and that is I mean, that's it. I think that 78 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 4: part of I think part of what happened is, you know, 79 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 4: a lot of times in life people aren't in tune 80 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 4: with where they are on their journeys. 81 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: And so. 82 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 4: I think I've done a lot of work from a 83 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 4: therapy perspective to like, no, oh, this person was rising 84 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 4: up because sixth grade Angela showed up. 85 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 3: I was feeling bullied. 86 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 4: Nobody was saying anything to bully me, but I was 87 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 4: feeling it, and Tiff give it. Being the media strategy 88 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 4: she is, she was like, oh my god, I could 89 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 4: see that because you were literally sandwich between me and Andrew 90 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 4: and we were on the same side. 91 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 3: You were in the middle, so you're like squished. I 92 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, I didn't even think about that. 93 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 3: So there's that. Plus I'm not sleeping. 94 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 4: We're working really hard on Marilyn Moseby's petition, like there's 95 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 4: so many things happening. I'm waking up at tiffany hours, 96 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 4: and for any of you all that know me, no, 97 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 4: like I'm a night out, so that means I'm sleeping 98 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 4: like three or four hours right now. So I think 99 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 4: I was uniquely tender from that, just like when you 100 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 4: have a little kid with if it's your child, you know, 101 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 4: it's like, oh, no, you need to go to bed. 102 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 4: It was one of those sleepy you're not thinking clearly, 103 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 4: you're you know, you're delirious, and I just I was 104 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,799 Speaker 4: feeling tender, and so I thank God for this safe 105 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 4: podspace that we've created where I could say I'm feeling tender. 106 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 3: And when Tiff said you think I said. 107 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 4: That, how I heard it was very different than her 108 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 4: intention because she started feeling defensive, like, how could you possibly. 109 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: Think I was saying that? And then I was like 110 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 3: why would you talk to me in that towne? 111 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 4: And then we were crying, and then Andrew missed all 112 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 4: the tears, but I think deep down somewhere he probably 113 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 4: had one single thug tear, because. 114 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 3: Every now and then not the glory tear too. 115 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 4: But I will also just say I think one of 116 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 4: the things that that moment did for me, you guys, 117 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 4: is it made me connect to what our listeners may 118 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 4: have felt when they talked about how answer questions. And 119 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 4: so the question I have today really is, in this 120 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 4: space that we created, our pod, our unique little bubble, 121 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 4: our safety bubble, what is our obligation to each other 122 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 4: and then to our broader audience to hold that safe space, 123 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 4: to ensure that people don't feel over attacked, that they 124 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 4: don't feel like they're being put on the defensive, that 125 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 4: they don't feel like we're trivializing what they say, and 126 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 4: certainly that we're not doing that to each other. And 127 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 4: then what is our responsibility when somebody may have a 128 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 4: trigger that maybe we're not even aware of. 129 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 3: Like how do you navigate that space? 130 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 4: I think this is one thing that will help us 131 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 4: not only be a better podcast, but better people to 132 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 4: be in relationship with whether it's your church, community, your family, 133 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 4: your friends, whomever, like, what is our responsibility collectively and 134 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 4: as individuals to create safety? 135 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: Sure, well, I will give my assessment and answering that question. 136 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: I think. 137 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: You know, Angela, you carry a lot, and we're all 138 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: Type A person out like extreme Type A personalities, and 139 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: it's very few people being a Type A personality. It's 140 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: very few people I'm going to trust that you have 141 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: it all together. But Angela is definitely one of those people. 142 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: If Angel's like I'm taking lead on this, I trust 143 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: that you have it all together. So my takeaway might 144 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: be a little different from both of you guys. My 145 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: takeaway is just because there are people in your life 146 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: and your circle who are always on top of things, 147 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: who always have it together, we have to also caution 148 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: ourselves that we're not doing the superwoman myths on these people, 149 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: you know, because honestly, the way I thought, I expected 150 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: this to be a brawl and how we cover, but 151 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: not a brawl in the way that it was. But 152 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: that Angel's going to feel really strongly and come back 153 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: and say, well, let me tell you why you and 154 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: Andrew are wrong. And I think I did not in 155 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: that moment hold space for everything and was feeling and 156 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: going through and doing and so the lesson I think 157 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: as a takeaway is don't assume because the person in 158 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: your life does always juggle on everything, is always on 159 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: top of it. Is always that person. Like we all 160 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: have a right to, you know, have a moment. You know, 161 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: ANGELI are always quick to take ownership of things. And 162 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't think it's all on anybody, you know, 163 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: I think it's in how we all collectively hold space 164 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: for each other. I'm giving sometimes, you know, Andrew was, 165 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: you know, saying we needn't be so high brow or whatever. 166 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: Like Andrew says said that to me sometimes, and I 167 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: wanted him to say it on air that day because 168 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, they're probably people out there who feel that way. 169 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 4: You know. 170 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: I like highlighting our different perspectives and disagreement because we 171 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, we get to do that here. We didn't 172 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: get to do that in other spaces because we were 173 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: like under the umbrella of like black commentators. But the 174 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: the we're not homogeneous in our community and so we 175 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: get to have these nuanced disagreements in what we cover. 176 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: I thought it was a really robust conversation that one. 177 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: I don't like when things escalate to that level. But 178 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: the comfort in being friends with people for multiple decades, 179 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: as you know, there's is family, and it's going where 180 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: we wanted to be good and not we're going to 181 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: be good, you know. And we communicate spoken and unspoken, 182 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: you know. And so I wish Andrew had been on 183 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: his job and had been following me and behind the 184 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: scenes footage and getting us hugging in the alley whatever. 185 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: But it it just I thought, it's a different lesson, 186 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: I know. But then you should have been out there 187 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: on camera with your camera phone. 188 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 3: No, I shouldn't have sas not loving hip hop to 189 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 3: like our vts. 190 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: And I think we all deal with like these things differently, right, 191 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: So Angela at a different point may have needed us 192 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: to lean in or to pull out. But you and 193 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: I may have a different relationship with conflict or with 194 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 2: the way in which conflict is handled. So, for instance, 195 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: if things get too emotional for a long time, for me, 196 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: if things got really emotional, my first comment was, and 197 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: Jay is going to like, amen, this was You're not 198 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: a victim. We both have our grievances here, this is you, 199 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: This is where I am da da, but neither of 200 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 2: us are victims here. And it was now that in reflection, 201 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 2: I'm thinking, what a harsh insense it is, and like 202 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: non loving way to approach a conflict is to say 203 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 2: like you're not a victim. That is like the worst 204 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: place to go with it. And thank God for Angela 205 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: introducing me to therapy in a way that I had 206 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: never been before really helped me to get outside of it, 207 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: because the only thing I needed to hear was how 208 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: are you feeling? And whether I feel like I did 209 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: something to necessitate that or not. The truth is is 210 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: that a person who I love and cared deeply about 211 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 2: reacted to a thing that I did or said in 212 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 2: this way, and that isn't what I want to happen. 213 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: I want you to hear me, clearly, but I certainly 214 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: don't want to level you in the process. I don't 215 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: want you to walk away feeling like you're less intelligent, 216 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: or you have less to contribute, or that your voices 217 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: and as important or as valued. And I'll just disclose. 218 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 2: You know, Angelina, I had a conversation yesterday after our 219 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: don Limit interview, and I was, you know, saying to 220 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 2: her that you know, I've sort of gotten used to, 221 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: at least in some ways in our podcast, like not 222 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: really fighting for the space in every conversation. Like if 223 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: comments are being had or being said and either I'm 224 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: not invited directly into it, or the conversation takes place 225 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: and I've not made a contribution, my default position might 226 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 2: be like, Okay, I'm not of value at this space 227 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: and in this time. And the adjustment, or the compromise 228 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: I made with myself is like, Okay, just accept that 229 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: in some spaces and at certain times you won't be 230 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: of value. And what Angela was pointing out was that 231 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 2: may be an incident where you might not feel that way, 232 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: but to the point that that becomes now your conduct. 233 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: You've negotiated yourself into a space where every week you 234 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: now feel like you have to just sort of sit 235 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 2: with it, be quiet, keep it moving. Time is going. 236 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 2: I don't know how to shut up. Whatever the thing 237 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 2: is is that the self talk that I'm telling myself 238 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: now we are completely disrupting the very environment we're trying 239 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: to create for ourselves. The very environment we're trying to 240 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: create is that I don't have to be curated through 241 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: the world's lens that if this conversation takes me away 242 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 2: from one about politics and one about the fact that, gosh, 243 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: I feel, you know, no real worth in this moment, 244 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: and I don't want to be in a I have 245 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 2: too much respect for myself. I'd like to think that 246 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: I don't want to be anywhere where my contribution isn't valid, 247 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: where I'm not making a contribution at all. And to 248 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 2: your point, Angela, about where we have to be respectful 249 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: and where do our listeners show up? They show up 250 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 2: all the way through this. It breaks. I can't tell 251 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: y'all if you're on the listening side of this, what 252 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 2: it did to Angela and Tiffany when we got some 253 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 2: comments about from some of the listeners who said, I 254 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 2: felt like you all disrespected the questioner here, like you 255 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 2: just completely. I'm sitting on the I'm sitting here with 256 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: them on a you know, on the telephone, and they're like, 257 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 2: I can't believe that. I just I can't believe I 258 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: wasn't aware of that and this, and and they're going 259 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 2: back and forth. I'm like, y'all, you want to call 260 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 2: them on three ay, y'all want to FaceTime? I mean, 261 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 2: you're like, what are we. 262 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 4: Going to do. 263 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 2: No, I was saying. 264 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 3: He was genuine. 265 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 1: That's the scary part. He really wanted to FaceTime these people. 266 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely was serious. I was like, we have to unburden this, 267 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: and I'm really sick of this. I can't believe we 268 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 2: said that. And I got to go back and look 269 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 2: at the video and all that kind off. I'm like, look, 270 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 2: which I want to do about it? And so so 271 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: just know that it isn't anyone's intention to go that way. 272 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: And I think in our apology the following week, I 273 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 2: mentioned that sometimes we're not even responding directly to what 274 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: the question is, which is part of our obligation to 275 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: respond to what the question is, because you posed it 276 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: and we respect you enough to give you an answer. 277 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: But we're responding to all of the clouds, the layers 278 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: of stuff that we've had to dig through all week, 279 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 2: and all of everybody else's misimpressions about that thing. And 280 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 2: now we feel like, oh, this is the window to 281 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: correct the rest of the world, not you, the questioner, 282 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 2: but the rest of the world on that perspective. And 283 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: so I have nothing but love and respect for our audience, 284 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: and that has to mean more than our words. That 285 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: it has to be manifest in our actions, not just 286 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: in the way that we experience it, but also the 287 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 2: way that you, our listeners, experience it. And that's just 288 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: the work in progress. But know our heart. 289 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: Please all right, job, We're going to take a quick break, 290 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: but don't go anywhere, because we still want to talk 291 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: more about how to create safe spaces, not just for us, 292 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: but for you as well. We'll be right back. I 293 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: even like having this conversation and putting it out there 294 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: for our viewers because I want the audience to feel 295 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: like they are part of the conversation. And I think 296 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: what they appreciated about the mini pod last week is 297 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: they felt like they were eavesdropping on a private disagreement 298 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: with all of us. And I think all of us 299 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: maintain how we feel. I don't think Angela you feel 300 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: any different. I don't think Andrew you feel a different. 301 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: I don't feel any different. And it's like, yeah, we 302 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: can have these three opposing points of view and still 303 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: come together as family, as friends and you know, spend 304 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: time with you other and laugh and you know, nothing changes. 305 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: And I think that's what we're the society we're trying 306 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: to build and go for in terms of our audience 307 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: and the things that we platform here and creating a 308 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: safe space for our viewers and for each other. I 309 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: just want to make this plea to our audience and say, 310 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: even when we disagree with you, we love you. You know. 311 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: I think that I often say this to Angela, and 312 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: I probably said this to you too, Andrew, Like, I 313 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: think it's black people. We don't have the privilege to 314 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: dislike each other, you know, right, But but there are 315 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: people who you know, they're not my favorite people, you know, 316 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: So among us, I'm like, I don't really rock with him, 317 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: I don't really rock with her. But out here in 318 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: this world, if something were happening, then I got to 319 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: be a part of the army defending that person, you know. 320 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: And so we feel that way. Even when you give 321 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: a comment that I feel is a little disrespectful to 322 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: the w NBA, we still welcome you, brother, We welcome 323 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: you a comment, you know, like you're gonna have to 324 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: get some of the smoke. 325 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: Although I did think it was a hoax. 326 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, well either way, you know, I hope it wasn't. 327 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: I hope, I hope he had more respect for us 328 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: than giving a hoax. But who knows even when we 329 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: disagree that we want you to pull up a seat 330 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: to this table. You know, we've all come from spaces 331 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: where we didn't feel welcome. For twenty four years, I 332 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,959 Speaker 1: didn't feel welcome in you know, mostly white run newsrooms 333 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: that constantly dismiss my input and value and opinions. So 334 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: I don't ever want either of my co hosts to 335 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: feel like they don't have value. And I certainly don't 336 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: want our audience, who shows up to us every week 337 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: twice a week to hear us, to not feel like 338 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: they have value. So we thank y'all for rocking with us, 339 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: for tuning in every week. I thank you Angela for 340 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: inviting me and Andrew to be part of this podcast 341 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: and build this thing brick by brick with you. I 342 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: think you Andrew for the times that we have on 343 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: this podcast. But honestly, my favorite time is when we're 344 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: not on the podcast, and it's just when Andrew and 345 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: I get one on one time. I feel like it's 346 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: so calming. I'm always telling you some personal drama I 347 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: have or something, you know, Andela off doing something, she's 348 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: going a flight, she doing something else, and I'm all 349 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: about like where's a good restaurant, so Andrew and I'll 350 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: go eat sometimes. But Angela and I also spend a 351 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: lot of time too as the ladies. We have a 352 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: whole girl group, so I get my alone time with 353 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: each of them. But with Andrew, I just I truly 354 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: value you, both personally and professionally. So I just I 355 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: love y'all for having the space and just thank y'all 356 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: for for for dealing on the days when I'm giving 357 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: whatever I'm giving, when i'm giving highbrow to Andrew told 358 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: you the anti when we were walking in Sancho Park. 359 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: He was so like smooth jazz when you know how 360 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: he does. Angela and he was like, I had I 361 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: was a bit elevated at the time. And sometimes when 362 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: I'm like that, I it means I go inward. Okay, 363 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: I just get mute. What does that mean to It 364 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: means that I had a mood ordering substance that sent 365 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: me on a flight. Okay, and it is a good, 366 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: beautiful Okay. Andrew was talking to me, and I hear it. 367 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: But sometimes your thoughts are like they run away. You're 368 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: like no, no, no, wait, and the thought is gone. And 369 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: Andrew was like, you know when you get like this, 370 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: you just have this judgmental look on your face, and 371 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: I don't care for it. 372 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 2: Just exuding judgment. 373 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: But I have It's not even it just I was 374 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: laughing so hard because he said it was just so 375 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: funny to me. I'm like, see this, y I don't 376 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: care for it. 377 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 3: I don't care for it. 378 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: It's just it's so proper that in most places I 379 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 2: wouldn't have two words to say to the other person 380 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 2: about how they look or what they're giving. 381 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 4: Andrew, you give the craziest cussouts with no cuss words 382 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 4: and big words. Sometimes you make up the words as well. 383 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 4: But yeah, like yes, baby, hilarious. 384 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: All right? 385 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: Do we do we feel complete with this conversation or 386 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: do we. 387 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 3: Well, we didn't read the comment I wanted to read. 388 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 4: I believe it's Denice Paris right, and it says I 389 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 4: have been listening to your podcast since episode one. Just 390 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 4: so y'all know, we are not going to make a 391 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 4: practice of reading these comments. We expect for you to 392 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 4: send in videos, but just because it was on point 393 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 4: since episode one, I share the podcast a few times. 394 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 4: I believe in what you are doing because it is 395 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 4: imperative and needed. After listening to your last mini pod, 396 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 4: I resonate with all your viewpoints because they are valid. 397 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 4: I must say I lean toward Angela as I too 398 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 4: was blindsided, as I would have never imagined millions on 399 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 4: millions of people could ever be scammed by Trump. I 400 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 4: am from NYC, and my very arrogance thought people knew 401 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 4: he was deplorable in every aspect of being empty, nothing 402 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 4: good and possibly evil. Keep going and know that your 403 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 4: valuable information is appreciated. Keep fighting for the good and 404 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 4: as you know, great things start small. Sometimes I love 405 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 4: the podcast. 406 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: I love that I share. I'm assure you of it. 407 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 3: Angela, No, no, no, I didn't. 408 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 4: I really think like she was like, I agree with 409 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 4: her screaming on the podcast. She was saying she agreed 410 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 4: with like being blindsided by like y'all really think you 411 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 4: should vote for this? 412 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 3: That was ny get it? Yeah, so not that part. 413 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: But yes, I do appreciate the I But you know, 414 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate that no matter how we feel or what 415 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: we say, we're three intelligent people with people out there 416 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: who will reflect back like yes you had a good point, 417 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: or yes I agree with you, or yes I agree 418 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: with all three of you. All I think that's what 419 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: it's for, So I like that we You don't want 420 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: all three of us having the same perspective coming up 421 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: with the same ideas, you know, Yeah, well we don't. 422 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: But the one thing I would love to ask our listeners, 423 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: if you guys don't mind, is we didn't dive enough 424 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: into what it looks like to create a safe space. 425 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: And since we are so lacking and safety in so 426 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: many places. Some people at home don't have safety, some 427 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: people at work don't have safety, some people in their 428 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: neighborhoods don't have safety. 429 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 3: What does it look like? 430 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 4: What does it look like to create safety on this podcast? 431 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 3: For you? 432 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 4: What would what would it look like to be in 433 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 4: this bubble with us and to feel like you have 434 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 4: a safe place to process your political gripes, to get 435 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 4: talking points to take back to your families, into your communities. 436 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 3: What does it look like to create safety here? 437 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: Do we want that on video or in comments or both? 438 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 4: I would love the videos I love because I want 439 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 4: to play them and see that I want I want 440 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 4: the video responses. We have a video on our Instagram 441 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 4: page at native lampod where you can see how to 442 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 4: submit a video. We will repost that in our stories 443 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 4: when this air, so you all can send in your 444 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 4: videos and let us know what safety looks like to 445 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 4: you on and. 446 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 2: That. We love the money that jingles, but we prefer the. 447 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: We did a whole Broadway routine in Central Park. 448 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 3: We and our movies. We did a whole thing. 449 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: Anyway, Stay tuned for me and Andrew. 450 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 3: I'm excited that he's got some movie lines. 451 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: We have a whole. 452 00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 4: We'll do. 453 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: That's well, that's so welcome home. Thanks for listening, y'all. 454 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,959 Speaker 1: Remember to rate, review, subscribe, and tune into our regular 455 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: episode on Thursday. Thank you guys for giving us safety 456 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: to even have this platform. We look forward to hearing 457 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: how we can give you that safety back. Welcome home, y'all, 458 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: hey man, Welcome Home. 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