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Speaker 1: Ben Maller and Danny g Radio. If you listen to

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Speaker 1: the white whale, the elusive white whale racist that we

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Speaker 1: finally landed. Brian Billick, Brian Billick, Brian.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Brian Billick, the Super Bowl winning coach of the

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Speaker 1: This man spent nine years on the sidelines in Baltimore

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Speaker 1: Danny g Coach Billick, welcome, and it's great to finally

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Speaker 1: have you on. You've done all kinds of different things.

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Speaker 1: How do you like being a pundit?

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Speaker 1: It was, it was amazing. It's so golf. It's so

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Speaker 1: Now, Brian, when you when you were in Minnesota, you

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Speaker 3: history tells you that, you know, it's a combination of

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Speaker 3: obviously basic skills. Can it translate to the NFL? Doesn't

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Speaker 3: match with what the team is doing. So you look

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Speaker 3: at you know, brock, Party's a perfect example. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if you'd have the same success any plays else,

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Speaker 3: but it fits perfectly in what they're doing in San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it is a very inexact science, but you

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Speaker 3: got to get it right. And if you're going to

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Speaker 3: win it, you pretty much have to have one of

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Speaker 3: those guys.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't that.

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Speaker 3: Necessarily be a Hall of Famer, but you better have

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Speaker 3: a guy that can produce regularly from that position. And

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Speaker 3: to get that guy typically, notwithstanding the brock parties and

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Speaker 3: the light that that you know that come in Tom

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Speaker 3: Brady's which are outliers, you're pretty much going to have

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Speaker 3: to go get them early in the draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I also I wanted to run by

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Speaker 1: your position on the running backs. You coached some good

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Speaker 1: running backs at Jamal Lewis and Baltimore, for example. But

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of grumbling the running back position has

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Speaker 1: been devalued. The guys have been complaining around the NFL

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Speaker 1: as we get into the end of the exhibition season

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Speaker 1: in the start of the regular season they're not getting

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Speaker 1: paid enough. Like, is there a solution to the running

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Speaker 1: back quagmire in the NFL?

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Speaker 3: Brian Well, I don't think it's a matter of devalue it.

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Speaker 3: I think what it comes down to is you you

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Speaker 3: can get productivity at the running back position without a

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Speaker 3: top draft choice or spending a lot of money in it.

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Speaker 3: That's that's you've got to follow the money, and they

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Speaker 3: can complain that running backs are better than that and

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Speaker 3: be paid better. And I understand that. And when you're

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Speaker 3: talking about your best running backs.

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Speaker 4: Uh in the league.

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Speaker 3: But typically what we have found is not that they're devalued,

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Speaker 3: but that you can get value later in the draft.

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Speaker 3: You look at a guy like Nick Chubb who was

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Speaker 3: a second round pick and and and he's right there

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Speaker 3: with the best running backs in the in the league.

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Speaker 3: You know, Uh, Derrick Henry who was a first round pick,

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Speaker 3: Saint Kwan Barkley, I got it, you know. But then

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Speaker 3: right there there's guys like Miles Sanders that that was

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Speaker 3: the second round pick. So it's not a matter of

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Speaker 3: devaluing the running back position. It's just that you can

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Speaker 3: you can be successful in the running game with a

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Speaker 3: running back by committee. You can get value in the

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Speaker 3: second third round. You don't have to pay top dollar.

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Speaker 3: And certainly guys like Derrick Henry and Josh Jacobs are

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Speaker 3: outstanding and you'd love to have them, and there's a

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Speaker 3: level of productivity, but you don't necessarily have to pay

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Speaker 3: the top dollar to manufacture that level of productivity.

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Speaker 1: So it's bookkeeping, right, It's a little bookkeeping mixed with

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Speaker 1: the other stuff. And if you were in charge of

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Speaker 1: this whole operation, this monstrosity is the NFL. I made

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Speaker 1: you the power broker. Is there one thing you would

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Speaker 1: change if you had one day on the job and

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Speaker 1: you were the cizar of the NFL, what would you change?

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: They've done such a great job of creating just this

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Speaker 3: unbelievable product that is entertaining, it's exciting, It engages the fans,

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Speaker 3: not only just on game.

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Speaker 4: Day but the entire week. I really do.

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Speaker 3: Think the league has done about everything they can to

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Speaker 3: keep the players as safe as possible in what is

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Speaker 3: a very physical.

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Speaker 4: Violent game. And I think that, you know, the league.

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Speaker 3: Or I should say, the game has followed the interests

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Speaker 3: of the fans. If it's offensive dominated, big play dominated,

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Speaker 3: that's because that's what the plans want. The fans won,

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Speaker 3: and it's it's good. It's a good TV. I do

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Speaker 3: worry that that now with the length of the season

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Speaker 3: and they're talking about even expanding it in the playoff field.

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Speaker 3: I think we're right at that edge, that saturation point.

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Speaker 3: But boy, you could be proven wrong because it seems

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Speaker 3: like there is no limit for the interest in in

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Speaker 3: pro football and following it.

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Speaker 4: I guess if I if there was anything.

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Speaker 3: I'd look back at the college I wish the college

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Speaker 3: game could get its crapped.

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Speaker 5: Together because with the NIL and the portal and all that,

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Speaker 5: college football, in my opinion, is a mess and it's

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Speaker 5: got to be brought under control somehow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's going to be what two conferences, Brian, when

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Speaker 1: this thing gets done, it's coud be the Big Ten

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Speaker 1: as far as the Power Conference is, like the Big

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Speaker 1: Ten in the Southeastern Conference, and then that's yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think they're gonna I think they're following. They're going

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Speaker 3: to eventually follow the NFL mode. We're going to end

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Speaker 3: up with two conferences, probably with I don't know, fourteen

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Speaker 3: eighteen teams, maybe twenty teams each in these super conferences.

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Speaker 4: And you're either going to.

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Speaker 3: Be a part of that or you're not even be

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Speaker 3: separate from the NCAA. But it needs to get there

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Speaker 3: because right now it's the wild Wild West, and I'm

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Speaker 3: concerned about college football.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is crazy times, for sure, But one thing

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Speaker 1: all college football players and all NFL players need is

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Speaker 1: shoulder pads.

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Speaker 4: Brian.

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Speaker 1: I understand you've been doing some work with x Tech

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Speaker 1: involving the shoulder pass. Can you tell me about that

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Speaker 1: a little bit?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very proud that over a decade, you know, with

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Speaker 3: the number one pad in pro football will be eight

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Speaker 3: the time in the season right now where parents need

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Speaker 3: to be mindful of These young players are coming into

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Speaker 3: the game right now are just getting hand me down

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Speaker 3: old paths and they need to be invested in the process.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent of American made. You can get it delivered,

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Speaker 3: and the old days big guys got big pads. Old

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Speaker 3: guys got little pads. But today these pads given me

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Speaker 3: database that we have now. They're basically made based on

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Speaker 3: your size, your weight, your level play, your injury history,

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Speaker 3: what position you play. These are the pads that are

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Speaker 3: young people need to be in this great game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, when I played, you know, a while ago. Now,

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Speaker 1: it was one size fits all pretty much right as

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Speaker 1: you said.

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Speaker 3: Well, big guys had big game. Yeah, big guys that big.

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Speaker 3: Low guys had little pads. The parents need to go

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Speaker 3: to xtechpads dot com and check it out because these

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Speaker 3: are the pads our young people need to be in.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Brian, thank you so much for your time. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate enjoy Minnesota, and we'll happen to it again. Thank you,