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Speaker 1: This is the me Eater podcast coming in you shirtless,

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Speaker 1: severely vot bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast.

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Speaker 1: You can't predict anything. How many of you guys have

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Speaker 1: seen um? Uh No Country for Old Man? That's good

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Speaker 1: several times. Yeah, that's a good one. This guy wrote

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Speaker 1: in asking this question where you're saying that, uh, He's like,

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Speaker 1: He's like, if you were in that situation where he

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Speaker 1: shoots that antelope, you know in the beginning, Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: is the case? Like so the writer Corman McCarthy, who

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Speaker 1: I think is the and I'm not out on a

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Speaker 1: limb by saying this. He's a probably the greatest greatest

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Speaker 1: living American writer. UM has his book No Control Man.

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Speaker 1: The Coin Brothers made it into a film. Any On

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Speaker 1: the beginning, the guy, the main character, shoots an antelope

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Speaker 1: and hits it bad, gets a bad hit on it,

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Speaker 1: and the book he explains the bad hit better where

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Speaker 1: pan and and hit the antalope bad. But he starts

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Speaker 1: trailing the antelope, blood trailing it and comes across the

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Speaker 1: scene of a major shootout and dead bodies laying everywhere

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Speaker 1: in a whole bunch of money in a suitcase. A

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Speaker 1: guy recently wrote in saying like, hey, what would you

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Speaker 1: do in that situation? Do you feel as though he

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Speaker 1: should have finished trailing that antilope? I was saying, I

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Speaker 1: think that I would forget all about the anope dead

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Speaker 1: dudes mowed down, the machine gun, gunfire, and a blood

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Speaker 1: trail leading off. You know, wanted to say, yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't. It's hard for you know.

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Speaker 1: Funny about Corey McCarthy, like in that funny thing about

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Speaker 1: Karl McCarthy is that he uses so many esoteric, old

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Speaker 1: timey references that I feel as though most Americans most

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Speaker 1: I think you just gotta skim past all the live

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Speaker 1: stock firearm manufacturing references because I'm pretty like well steeped

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Speaker 1: and old timey esoteric ship and I have to look

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Speaker 1: up stuff that he's talking about. In the end of

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Speaker 1: that movie. In the book, we'll just talk about the movies.

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Speaker 1: I think more people see the movie they read the book.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the movie, uh, the character played

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Speaker 1: which his father is on horseback and rides up through

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Speaker 1: a pass ahead of him in the snow and says

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Speaker 1: he was carrying a horn of fire. I know, Kevin

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Speaker 1: Murphy knows what a horn of fire is. Just the torch,

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Speaker 1: isn't powder horn? Powder horn? Do you take? They take

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Speaker 1: a powder horn, fill it full of embers in the morning,

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Speaker 1: a embers in a powder horn with a pinhole board

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Speaker 1: into it keep the embers alive. I wasn't bring it

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Speaker 1: up for that reason. I was just bringing it up

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Speaker 1: for the reason of the guy's question. Because we do

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Speaker 1: handle some questions, you know. I want to do one

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Speaker 1: more question because this is a good one for Yanni.

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Speaker 1: A guy wrote it in he wants to be a

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Speaker 1: hunting guy. How's he become a hunting guy? Johnnie Boy,

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Speaker 1: let me introduce everybody. First. Is the Lavine Eagle? You honest?

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Speaker 1: But tell us Garrett Smith, dirtmth Dirtman, tell him, tell

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Speaker 1: him why your photography company is called Dirt Myth had

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Speaker 1: so Garrett made that quick calculation, pitched over the side

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Speaker 1: body Ohio River with camera gear. I have so many

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Speaker 1: that it's like a bottomless hell hole order standing. So

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Speaker 1: Dirt Myth and then the Mighty Um Kevin Murphy, Paduca

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Speaker 1: Kentucky squirrel master, what else? Engineer just all around outdoors.

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Speaker 1: But I thought all around outdoors and hobby engineer and

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Speaker 1: then Adam mo fat what moffat? But if you have

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Speaker 1: mow fat and they're like, but it's moffat, but it's

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Speaker 1: my fat. Yeah. Camera operator. What do you guys like

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Speaker 1: to call yourselves the days? Like photographer? Yeah, camera operator.

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Speaker 1: I'm out with the dude who's like shooting stuff. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so your business card'll say one on it, uh, camera

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Speaker 1: operator DP, director of photography. I mean you guys operate

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Speaker 1: just like operate like independent freelance, Yeah, independent freelance. Fall

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Speaker 1: and then yeah, yeah you have your let's let's call clients,

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Speaker 1: you know. So, yeah, you get more regular clients who

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Speaker 1: you'd say the Lavin Eagle as a client. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say the Latvin Eagle. With your client, I'll

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Speaker 1: send him a nice card at Christmas. You know there's

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Speaker 1: a you're gonna send him a card. Yeah, but don't

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Speaker 1: do it for Christmas. To do it for one of

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Speaker 1: the Lavian pagan holidays. Send him a card if you

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Speaker 1: want to win more business, hundreds of cards, all kinds

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Speaker 1: to win with Yanni, send him something about like a

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Speaker 1: Now next year, whoa really good times? What's gonna happen

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Speaker 1: the interesting thing that happened to us. It was two

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Speaker 1: say including San Francisco was former grizzly bearer habitats. So

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Speaker 1: they're there. Years go by and we have and years

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Speaker 1: are imperiled now or may become imperiled in the future.

428
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: You can move mountain lions between those populations, wolves between

429
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: those populations, wolverines between those populations. UM. Now you can

430
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: go look at Montana Fish and Games website. They talk

431
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: about the viability of that corridor. If you talk about

432
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: delisting and they're gonna start trying to remove bears, that

433
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: that they might use hunting as a tool to control

434
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: to to control human grizzly conflicts, is that gonna wind

435
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: up contradicting efforts to allow bears to have genetic interplay

436
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: between those two populations. I'm in the situation where I

437
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: strongly support delisting because I strongly support state management of wildlife,

438
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: and I do not like the idea of people using

439
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: just emotionally emotional based arguments to take management decisions out

440
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: of the two out of the you know, to take

441
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: management decisions out of the jurisdiction of professional wildlife managers

442
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: and to put it into the jurisdiction of a lot

443
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: of people who have never even laid eyes on one

444
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: of these bears. UM. But at the same time, I

445
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: strongly support the idea of that corridor and and having

446
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: very viable, thriving populations wolves, bears, wolverines, mountain lions on

447
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: these landscapes. So yeah, I hope these state management plans

448
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: come in UM and I hope that they are not

449
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: a little too reactionary, overly eager to control depredation on

450
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: livestock and allow for and and kind of prove as

451
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: I believe that they will prove again to the world

452
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: that state management of wildlife is the best system ever

453
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: been demonstrated on the face of the earth. UM, and

454
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: it has the interests of the people and best serves

455
00:29:54,640 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: the interests of the people. UM catfish, Kevin Murphy. We

456
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: break down for us what calfish live here in Kentucky. Well,

457
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: this week we targeted three species, the blue cat. We

458
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: were pretty very successful, uh obtaining UM can interrupted, Kevin,

459
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: let me set the stage. We're Donna, Kentucky. All kinds

460
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: of famous rivers flow through here. The Ohio meets the

461
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: Mississippi not far from here, the Cumberland River, Tennessee River.

462
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: Give me some more famous rivers, Clarks Rivers, a smaller river,

463
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: the Green River. Everybody knows the John Primes song. Oh Lord,

464
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: take me back to Meelenberg County, down by the RD.

465
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: The Green River flows here. That's here, it flows into

466
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: the Ohio. We didn't fish that one though. Now it

467
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: was probably up about to river miles from where we

468
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: ate catfish. Yesterday Yeah. So years ago I was doing

469
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: some bow fishing on the Ohio and I ran into

470
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: some guys who were doing something called polke Poland where

471
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: they were fishing calfish with set lines where they jab

472
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: a pole into a bank and hang a line with

473
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: a bluegill bated on there, and then you come around

474
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: and watch and see if the poll's bucking, and you

475
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: caught a catfish. I was done hunting squirrels to Kevin

476
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: Murphy last winter, explaining this to him, and Kevin got

477
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: to talking about limb lining. So we made plans to

478
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: come back down and fish catfish and do other fun

479
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: activities in the hot ass Kentucky sun triple digit heat index.

480
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: And so now with all that set up, talk about

481
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 1: the three caltfish you guys got around here. We've got

482
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: the big blue cats that are out of the main

483
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: channel the river, the largest species uh in Kentucky. Uh

484
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: and in the do u as the biggest biggest catfish

485
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: and sink maybe Kentucky state records a pounds. Don't quote

486
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: me on the b the least known catfish because channels

487
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: and flats are everywhere, uh yes, and most parts of

488
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: rule I think I find the people more with the

489
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: hell of blue catfish. Yeah, pretty much. And they're like

490
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: what it said, like main channel, main channel, out and

491
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: out in the out of the deeper water. Uh feed

492
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: on cut bait, just opportunists, whatever is out there. You know,

493
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: they're they're pretty much after and they're like a suspended feeder. Two. Yes, Yeah,

494
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: they feed up, you know, they feed up and from um.

495
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: The brighter the sun, the better off they are. You know,

496
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: a lot of fish like walleye for it's bright sunlight,

497
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: they go down deeper hard. You know that they're not

498
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: surface feeders, but the blue cats are. The sunshine pops out.

499
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: You know, I've been out there many of times, be

500
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: a little bit overcast, all of a sudden, the sun

501
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: pops out, heating up. I don't know if it's plankton

502
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: drawing bait fish up to the surface or what's going on,

503
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: but that kind of triggers the blue cats to start

504
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: feeding when he gets real hot and sunny. What's the

505
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: biggest blue you ever caught? Uh, Freddy at fifty pounds,

506
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: the one I showed you from last year. Got into

507
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: a creek that was rising, water was coming up. It

508
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: was triggering the blues to come in and feed on earthworms. Um,

509
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: my friend and I, Brian Womble, we called the pounder

510
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: and then the smaller one in there was probably read

511
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: at forty pounds, you know, kind of back to back

512
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: on a on a you said those blue catfish were

513
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: packful of red worms. They were full of red worms. Yes, yes,

514
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: just his stomach was was giant from from worms waters

515
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: coming up and the red worms are getting drowned out

516
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: and coming out of the ground. Yes, so you'll do

517
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: when you leave your gardenholes on on accident you realize

518
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of drawing worms lander. Afterwards, it triggers

519
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: the fish, a lot of fish to feed blue gill.

520
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: The shell crackers will come in. Uh, some of these

521
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: nicely manicured lake lawns that when the water gets up

522
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: into those starts driving out earthworms. Shell crackers come up

523
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: and feed like like crazy them. I have not been

524
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to hit one of those yet, but that

525
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: it happens, it happens. Was the uh the mulberry feeding

526
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: cat was that blue The way that he came into

527
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: the service when we saw those were channels will occasionally

528
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: also come up. We were underneath. I'm gonna do a

529
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: quick digression. Here we're messing around the mulberry gang. Yeah,

530
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: getting ready to set it what we're doing. But yeah

531
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: the eagle. Oh no, you guys are still setting minds.

532
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: I had my foot on the old trolling motors. I

533
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: worked down the bank, and I had a little croppy

534
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 1: ride in my hand, and I was working the bank,

535
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: and I look over and just happened to be looking

536
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: at this little eddy and then mulberry hits the water,

537
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: and about maybe a half full second later, uprise that

538
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: big I thought, I didn't know for sure what kind

539
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: of fish it was. I thought it could have been

540
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: a carp could have been a catfish, but it was

541
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: a good size fish two ft plus maybe three ft.

542
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: And he just sipped that bulberry off the surface like

543
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: a brown trout eating the may fly. And then we

544
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: had that try line under there, and all the hooks

545
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: that sat under that mole very tree had a fish

546
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: on them. So the next calffish flatheads flatheads is to

547
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: me kind of the top predator of the catfish prefers

548
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: live bait. Uh, very good, very good meat. Um. Like

549
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: I said, um, this time of year. I think when

550
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: we started out, I told you guys. Well, so this

551
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: is the spawning season. The boys around here that like

552
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: the tickle and noodle hand grab for fish, they've got

553
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: lots of bathtubs, concrete vaults, pieces of pipe, anything that

554
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: I hold a catfish they have around the edge of

555
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: the lakes to go out and place infrastructure to lure

556
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: in flatheads. You know, explain that first. Okay, Uh, this

557
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: time of year, the flatheads are in the breedy mode

558
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: and the males help find nest and guarden nests for

559
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: the females. So they're looking for holes up in the

560
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: river bank UH, sunken logs there holla like beaver beaver,

561
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: beaver entrance, beaver entrance, somewhere where they can get in,

562
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: where they feel safe, where they can lay the eggs.

563
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: And they pretty much they're feeding activities somewhat shut down,

564
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: and they're interested in mating and and finding a place

565
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: to mate. And um, what generations of hand grabbers have

566
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: found if they put in artificial structures to imitate a

567
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: sunken log. Basically, we we talked to the the UH

568
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: commercial fisherman yesterday, you know his he's got what they said,

569
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: sixteen hoop nets out there, and they imitate a log. Also,

570
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: they will coat those nets with black tire and the

571
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: hoops on them too, so when it's underwater, it feels

572
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: like looks like a sunken log. And the catfish go

573
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: into the hoop nets and then they get caught because

574
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: it's got two throats and there that keeps them from

575
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: from the mental trap funnel funnel. But like I said,

576
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: getting back the local boys, what they do is around

577
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: the shoreline gravelly areas, they'll play some type of infrastructure

578
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: to house a catfish. They come around, someone will dive

579
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: down kind of reach around fill in there and if

580
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: they feel a cat in there, then they come back up.

581
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: And then it's kind of like a two partner deal there.

582
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: One guy will stand put his feet in front of

583
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: the hole or the catfish interest to keep him from

584
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: going out. The other person dives down into water anywhere

585
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: from you know, four ft tube to six ft depth

586
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: and he will run his hand in there and let

587
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: the catfish bite them. Yes, and everybody knows how painful

588
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: and raspy a catfish body is. There's a uh, one

589
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: of the guys that I know, he's about six ache,

590
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: big long, gangly guy. I saw him. Has been a

591
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: couple of years ago in his hand arm from it

592
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: like a shoulder down to his fingertips. It looked like

593
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: somebody had taken a wood rass to it. I said,

594
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: what in the worr you've been And I've been catfishing,

595
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, you know, I might run my hand

596
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: up into the hollow log or hollow tree to pull

597
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: out a rabbit. But something that's got got a like

598
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 1: a catfish, Nah, i'll do. I'll take a bainskt stick

599
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: down there or something a sharp stick, harpoon, whatever, But no,

600
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sacrifice my trigger finger or something like that.

601
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: And there's other critters that could get you right there

602
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: is you know, occasionally could be a snapping turtle down there.

603
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: It could be a beaver whatever. You know, I haven't

604
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: heard of anybody being mangled by that, but it's that possibility.

605
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: But the catfish bite you, and what you do, you

606
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: you don't. The hardest thing to say that you that

607
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: you do is the automatic reflex of pulling back. So

608
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: you've got to mind over matter to do. You've got

609
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: to leave your hand in their mouth and let them

610
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: bite you. Then they kind of relax a little bit,

611
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: and then you run it up and you hook it

612
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 1: over the gill plate. Jodey's boy, Joe, he's a he's

613
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: a noggler. I think a sixty pounder flathead is the

614
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: biggest that he's he's pulled. Of course, he's a big

615
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: gangling boy there. But you you pull it out, you're

616
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: getting right there and you bring him to the surface.

617
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: There were kids, as I sayd you catch bigger catfish

618
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: by noodling as opposed to like rod and reel or

619
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: the other ways or like of is that kind of

620
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: the loura you typically are gonna catch a bigger Yeah,

621
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 1: you know that's what everybody is, whether rod, a real whatever.

622
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: There you can catch this big with with a rod reel.

623
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: You know, you've got these target areas you know you're

624
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: making when you're out there fishing. Yeah, you've got some

625
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: fishing hose where they may be whatever, but you know

626
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: you can come out there. Maybe you've got fifty boxes

627
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: out or set so I don't really know what they

628
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: call those. I've never been on one of those trips,

629
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: but you've got fifty so you go out there and

630
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: run of those and so you you know, you might

631
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: have five or six catfish in those fifty or if

632
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: you're out there fishing, you know, just gotta fish in

633
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: here here there. So it's kind of like, you know,

634
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: you're building a home for them holiday end, you know,

635
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: coming for the catfish. So you know, when I was

636
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: young in the lake I grew up on in the spring,

637
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: bullheads would you know, do the same exact thing. But

638
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: they would go in and find cracks and sea walls,

639
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: any kind of thing. And we would even put out

640
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: little areas that we knew about. Areas you just take

641
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: a couple of three whole bricks and stack three whole

642
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: bricks up. No one did a bullhead is gonna veer

643
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: in there and set up shop, but we would do.

644
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, these things are big ones, a

645
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: couple of pounds, nothing like a flat ahead. But we

646
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: just go around to those spots and just take a

647
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: little cleo like a little spoon with a trouble hook

648
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: on it and just a hunkle line and just dingle

649
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: in front of their face or dingle it down in

650
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: the mouth of the hole and they would come out

651
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: and grab it. I remember one night we went out,

652
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: we'd go out flashlights. Remember one of we went out

653
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: and had nine of them like big bullhead just by

654
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: doing that. And I've even done it where they were

655
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: down so deep that we would get a snorical mask

656
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: and just have some string on your hand with a

657
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: thing and dive down and jiggle it in front of

658
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: there into his little crevice, catch him, and then just

659
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: hauling up and throw them on the boat on the

660
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: end of a hook. You know. I just thought it

661
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: was like something completely unique too, but on a on

662
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: a much giant scale, like from going from two pounds

663
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: to forty pounds. Then instead of hanging a little clear,

664
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: you're just sticking your hand because they wouldn't hit it

665
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: like they were hungry. They'd hit it like they're pissed.

666
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: And that's territorial thanks what it is they're protecting. They're

667
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: a little turf, you know, they don't want anything to

668
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: get in there near their eggs, So it's that's a

669
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: territorial response. And that's what the flat hits pretty much. Yeah,

670
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: because you could do it and sting his lip with

671
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: the look and then do it again and sting his

672
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: lip with the hook and do it again, and then

673
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: like he just kept slashing at it something eating for food.

674
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: I was wanna time up on the north slope of

675
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: the Brooks Range, like on the Arctic Plateau leading out

676
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: of the Arctic Ocean, and I was fishing for grailing

677
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: in these little streams, and streams would be like riffle,

678
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: you know, like to be like a little riffle in

679
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: the hole. In a little riffle in the hole. Every

680
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: hole have a grailing in it, like in a territory,

681
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: like a fish in there and not letting anybody in there.

682
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: And you land a fly on it, and he couldn't

683
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: help himself but hit it. If you stung that fish's

684
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: lip with a hook, he'd go down to the bottom

685
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: of that hole and there was no way in hell

686
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: he was gonna come up and hit something again. But

687
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: it was funny because you could test his memory. Could

688
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: you come back to that fish twenty four hours later,

689
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: and however fish's head works you laying a fly on it,

690
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: he come up and nail it. So he's like you

691
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: could be like an hour is not enough for a

692
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: grailing to put that off his mind. Twenty four hours

693
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: he's like like, what are the chances that's gonna happen?

694
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: Or like whatever switches in his mind. It was like

695
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: you could sort of find out like how how he

696
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: perceived danger and how he perceived the path, Like what

697
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: the passage of time is? You are grailing because if

698
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: I stunned gunned you right now and I walked up

699
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: to you tomorrow with a taser, if there's no way

700
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna stand there and let me tease you again, right,

701
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: that's great. Maybe ten years later, ten years later I

702
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: might walk up to you and tase you. I probably

703
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: wouldn't let you take me in the first place. I've

704
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: been around those things all my life. It's danger, Will

705
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: Will Robertson danger, So get into a bottle of Whiskey's hard? Yeah, Yeah,

706
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: I still have a hard time with Canadian Hunter from

707
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: from me and my brother Danny being like in our

708
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: teens sitting down the bank of the White River at

709
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: the spire of damn Um. I still can't go into

710
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: your Canadian Hunter. The hell is that stuff? Anyways? You

711
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about? One, No, it's one of

712
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: those things that they mixed like really shitty whiskey with sugar.

713
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: It was a punch of them Southern comfort that's medicine

714
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: down here in Kentucky. That's what I was. I still

715
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: can't drink that stuff because of what you're talking about

716
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: getting stung by Southern comfort. Uh did you have more?

717
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: Right now? You cool? I'm cool, adam cool dirt. I'm

718
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: curious to the third one because I can't remember it.

719
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: I haven't covered it yet. Yeah, okaye. I was gonna say,

720
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: don't tell because it's somebody if he can't remember channel cats.

721
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: I was just he thought he was one yesterday. You

722
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: guys didn't know. But all right, it's a breakdown. Channels.

723
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: Channels are like by far there are there have to be.

724
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: If you put all the channels in North America in

725
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: a pile, and put all the flatheads in North America

726
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: in a pile, and all the blues in a pile,

727
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: the chance a pile is gonna be, by a magnitude

728
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: of out of hundreds, bigger than any other pile, right

729
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: I probably probably so. I would say they're the most

730
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: common by far of any any catfish is out there,

731
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: and it's the most commonly one for aquaculture, like when

732
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: you go in and buy like some cheapass calfish sandwich

733
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: and it's from a pond caltfish. They can do other ones,

734
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: but probably a chance, probably channel most likely most likely

735
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: the smaller of the catfish. Other than we get down

736
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: into the very smallest catfish in Kentucky's a mad tom

737
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,479
Speaker 1: a little bit catfish, maybe three or four inches long.

738
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: UM in some of the backwater estuaries and swamps is

739
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: where the were the mad times. And all your bullheads

740
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: are in the catfish family to right, the bullhead being bigger,

741
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: but the mad tompy and the very very small and

742
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: and not a As far as any I know, nobody's

743
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: ever goes fishing for mad tim's out there, but the

744
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: big three, the big three channels, flats and blues. We

745
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: got the flat heads, and then we've got the channel.

746
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: So break down the channel for me. Uh, smaller fish

747
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: noted with specs up and down his body. Uh. When

748
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: you scan them, it's got a yellow streak that immediately

749
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: turned some people off. And that's what we were talking about.

750
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: I trimmed away till I learned yesterday you don't need

751
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: to trim it smaller fish, You just leave it in there.

752
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: And I've never been able to tell any difference. Um.

753
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: Predominantly people call the channel fiddlers, but any small catfish

754
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: can be in the category of a fiddler, but usually

755
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: let me, let me, let me discuss that. I never

756
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: heard that turns. You told me a fiddler in Kentucky lingo.

757
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: I thought it was Kevin Murphy lingo. But I realized

758
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,479
Speaker 1: now it's like couldn't tuck A fiddler is a small

759
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: cat small catfish. Now, we had a gentleman yesterday show

760
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: me on his cutting board a mark where he has

761
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: such a high level of specificity about what a fiddler

762
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: is does no matter what species it is. But if

763
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: it if he puts his tail at the end of

764
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 1: his cutting board and its head is shy of a mark,

765
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: that's a fiddler. And he prides himself on the uniformity

766
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: of his fiddlers. Where he doesn't like him that are

767
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: much smaller than that, he doesn't want to use them.

768
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: He wants his fiddlers to hover right around that specific mark.

769
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 1: In the other name for a fiddler is a little

770
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: dinky catfish. School try a whole fry, not a whole fryer,

771
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: but a whole fry. And I didn't learn that term toill.

772
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: Like four or five years ago, somebody was sound about,

773
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: there's some whole fries. We're gonna have some whole fries.

774
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: I'm thinking potatoes. Hell, I didn't know what to think

775
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: a whole fry, and they finally said, oh, you know

776
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: what you take to take a whole small catchfish? And

777
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: fried I said, you mean a fiddler. No, it's a

778
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: whole fry, you know. That was their term on it.

779
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: Where you just take the entire catfish, chop it, you

780
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: skin it, uh, cut his head off, leave the fins

781
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: on it, and and fried up crispy. A lot of

782
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: people like eating the tail fan of that. Uh, it's

783
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: got a real mild flavor. I like the fiddler catfish.

784
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: You're picking the meat, Yeah, you just take a fork

785
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: and just pick it off, and you've got this, you know,

786
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: Fred Flynn stone skeleton when you get done, you don't

787
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: have to worry about bones. Uh um. You know, as

788
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: far as small kids and things, probably shouldn't do it.

789
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: But there's really not any bones that come out with

790
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: the meat. There. Nice crispy skin has got a ravery

791
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: unique flavor, not strong whatsoever. Uh. You know, when you

792
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: get into the bigger catfishes, when you have to start

793
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: trimming to get that strong stout flavor out of them.

794
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: There's some some things on the catfish that you, as

795
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: my friend Leon says, you take not so good fish

796
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: and make a really really good fish out of it.

797
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: That's the thing I learned most of all the hanging

798
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: out and catfish and we've done the last few days,

799
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 1: is the import of properly cleaning and trimming catfish place.

800
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: And when when I was young, we would know and

801
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: then get into these big gas flatheads doing all this stuff.

802
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: We'd catch big flatheads and we had them in our heads.

803
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: They were inedible. And I don't say that about much,

804
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: but we had in our heads they were pretty inedible

805
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 1: because we just flam and skin them and not trim them.

806
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: And it was the muddiest, nastiest or as your friend

807
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: Leon said, you don't want that in your mouth. And

808
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: it's trimming that song a bit trimming in processing. Even

809
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: after we got it and we got it all trimmed up,

810
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: laying there in a in a bucket, float in the water,

811
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: all kinds of fat, still there a lot of blood there.

812
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: So that you've you've got to go through, like I said,

813
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: all the processes. You have to to clean it, you

814
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: have to trim it, and the chilling it down too.

815
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: That's another thing. That's new. Uh. Makes the trimming process

816
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: you can kind of makes the fat congeal on it.

817
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: You can kind of feel it better, say it better.

818
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: And then after you get it, get it trimmed out,

819
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: could all the red meat that blood vein that's running

820
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: down the middle. Then you put it in the in

821
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: the bucket of water and let it soak for you know,

822
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: or have a have a misting water hose on it,

823
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: a slight trickle. And as we all saw, it started

824
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: out a bloody red. It was like you're it was

825
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: like you're rendering. It was like you're rendering fat too,

826
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: because fats rising up out of there. So after a while, uh,

827
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: it starts clearing up. And at the very end, you know,

828
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: the water looks clear enough that you could take a

829
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: drinking glass just down there and dip it out and

830
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: you could drink the water. And if you smell the

831
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: meat at that point in time, it doesn't smell to

832
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: it's gorgeous fishes. It does smell like it supposed like

833
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: fresh meat. No fish smell on it whatsoever. So, Yeah,

834
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: we've talked to some leading what i'll regardless of leading

835
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: catfish experts in the last couple of days being like

836
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: guys that handle thousands and thousands of pounds of catfish

837
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: for commercial sale and and other things, and supplying fish

838
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: fries and lifetime devoted to catfish. And the message I

839
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: got is two things on a catfish taste, like ship

840
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: fat and blood when you get a muddy piece of

841
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: fish or an off piece off piece of fish, because

842
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: you're getting fat or blood in your mouth catfish fat

843
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: and blood catfish flesh. One of your friends, Leon said,

844
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: if there's a criticism of it, you needn't put it

845
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: this way. He said, if there's a criticism of it,

846
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: it's two mild yes in that you need to want

847
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: a good catfish guy is a guy as good at seasoning.

848
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: Compare that to a good piece of tuna. Good piece

849
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: of tuna, the less you do to it, the better,

850
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: right because it carries its own perfect faiver. Or like

851
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: a good oyster. You want to do anything to good oyster.

852
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: He's saying, a good pie's calfish properly trimmed is a

853
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: It's a platform on which to apply flavors. It's like

854
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: a clean slate on which to apply the kind of

855
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: flavors you like. It's that mild so in getting the

856
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: fat off the fat. Once you do your flay, you've

857
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: got fat rides the fat rides between the skin and

858
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: the meat, and that's an important area to get off.

859
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: And you've got fat that rides along the belly and

860
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: fat that rides along the top. So they'll pull a

861
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: flay off. Like imagine, like lay should try to visualize this.

862
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: Lay your hand flat out on a table around your

863
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: leg or whatever, and like lay your left hand down

864
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: and look at it, and imagine you're looking at a flame.

865
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: You want to remove as you view your left hand

866
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: laying flat, you want to remove half of your pink

867
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: the outer half of your pinky finger down to your wrist.

868
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: And you want to remove the outer third of your

869
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: thumb from the thumbnail down to your wrist. Get rid

870
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: of that. And then the face of the fish that

871
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: lies between the fish's skin and the flesh, get rid

872
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: of anything red. Let's when we uh cut the skin

873
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: off the catch fish. We don't try to ride down

874
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: on the skin. Yeah, we do a song in motion,

875
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: and we cut a lot of the red meat off.

876
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: I always skin fish by basically scraping that some bit

877
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: and it comes out like clean. But these guys Yeah,

878
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: they're floating the blade down there and leaving skin and

879
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: fat in the red muscle on that piece of skin. Yeah,

880
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: rather than like scrape in the skin and then shaving

881
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: that junk away. It was like intuition for him, muscle memory.

882
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,439
Speaker 1: He showed us a knife that he had skinned something

883
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: fish with that he'd wore a bevel into the handle,

884
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: just as the angle that you want to go go with,

885
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: I like to Leon said in regards to you know,

886
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: using all the meat you have on him, the stuff

887
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,479
Speaker 1: you're trimmings not waste because it's because it is waste.

888
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: It's waste. Yeah. Yeah, he goes. People say you're wasting meat,

889
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: but you ain't waste anything, waste his waste. And that's

890
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: that's you know, you take a not so good to

891
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: fish and make an excellent fish out of it. No,

892
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about your wife here for a minute.

893
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:41,959
Speaker 1: How long do we got so explain her gripe of fish?

894
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: You know, she just doesn't like the texture. I think

895
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: because she was brought up in the desert. Yeah, well

896
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Well, that's it's so interesting because I think

897
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: even from my background I grew up we both grew

898
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: up in Utah, and I think a catfish. We catfish

899
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: his kids. You know, we throw a piece of steak

900
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: over a boat and hang it out all night and

901
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: wake up in the morning and reli cat fish in

902
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: and they just don't, I mean, unfortunately, just don't look.

903
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: When you pull a catfish out of the water, they

904
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: typically just don't look appetizing. Does a salcy look appetizing

905
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: coming from it's laying in a mulle? I mean no,

906
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: that's a good point. No, but I think that you

907
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: that animal pile of ship. But I think that was

908
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: the how we look. But you pull other fish out,

909
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: like you know, trout or yeah, a little better. And

910
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: so I think coming out here, I was like, okay,

911
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: I mean I've had black and catfish before and I

912
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: like it, but I was like, I was kind of curious.

913
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: And then like watching you guys trimmed the meat. It's

914
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: it's it's almost clear like in color, like how white

915
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: it is, and it looks amazing. It's the whitest if

916
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: you laid that meat from a blue cat, if you

917
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: laid it on a piece of printer paper, you and

918
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 1: b will see the something you wouldn't be able to

919
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: see the thing it's it's it's no white, I mean

920
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: no white, just so weird to see caffish flesh like that. Yeah,

921
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: and that looks appetizing. But your wife, God bless her,

922
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: doesn't like fish. But it's not but she wouldn't even

923
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: like that fish. Yeah, she doesn't like any fish doesn't

924
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: like and she doesn't like anything like trustations or yeah,

925
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: anything from the sea she just doesn't like. But it's

926
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: a texture thing. Yeah, you're a water based dude, though,

927
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: I know it's tough. So what does she eat? She

928
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 1: she loves meats from stuff from the land. Yeah, she

929
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: she just like or swordfish. She won't eat you. I

930
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 1: want to touch it, and I don't trust me. I've tried,

931
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: will she el No, that's pretty fishy. Yeah yeah, but

932
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: you're like it's this Yeah, and I love her, I

933
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: never met her. By love her, i'd marry her. But

934
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: it's just so she's not gonna eat that, like if

935
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: you cooked it up for she's tricker. Because see that's

936
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 1: the interest thing is where do you tell her it is? Yeah,

937
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: weird pork, the lightest chicken you've ever had. Yeah, No,

938
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: but that's why it's probably she doesn't like anyone it's

939
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: a very unique texture that couldn't be imitated by anything else. Yeah, dude, yeah,

940
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: I think what you need to do maybe make a

941
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: chowder a suit. But it's like a lot at this point,

942
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: it's psychological because even here's what you can do here,

943
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: here's I was a real finicky eat or growing up

944
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: bancorn bread. We were out one Saturday when I was young.

945
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: I could eat my weight every day, maybe twice a day,

946
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: but I was kept of some of my friends cut

947
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: Tobacca and his mom was the most excellent old timey

948
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: cook in the world. Man, what we need? Country Ham

949
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: over there? Steve loves country ham. I mean the best

950
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: country ham. They had three or four apple trees. They

951
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: had a big orchard, and she cook up some country had.

952
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: You know what it means if you if you took

953
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: a ham and somehow made it saltier than salt? Can

954
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: you really quit to explain country ham? Country ham is

955
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: the American variety of a prosecutor ham from Italy. And

956
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: that's statement. It's almost offensive. He said that times. It's

957
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: almost offensive. But okay, But the early pioneers had no refrigeration,

958
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, told so when you did hog killing in

959
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: the in the fall of the year. You go out

960
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: and you saved everything but the squeal from the hog.

961
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: You know, the made hedgees out of the that the

962
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: head of the hog make house pigs, feet, cracklings. You rendered,

963
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: it's a term in Virginia, maybe it's South. You just

964
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: rendered all out and mixed corn meal in there and

965
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 1: make like a like a corn meal bread. It's full

966
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: of jowl meat. And and man, I wish my buddy

967
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: Ronnie was here because that's his favorite food. I want

968
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: to make it bad. Process the hog and all the

969
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: trim and scrap and everything they cooked down into a

970
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: gelatinous Okay, So then they stir in cornmeal and in there,

971
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: and you eventually wind up with like a like a

972
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: you'ld be like head cheese. It's like head cheese, but

973
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: corn meal. And then you slice that corn bread and

974
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: fry in a pan they called pond has like a

975
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: soy burger. Was a little little bit of meeting some

976
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: so bab Anyways, Ronnie Beam, it's like he didn't know

977
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: about it, so he moved to Virginia. Hams and Virginia

978
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: is so salty that they don't you don't get him

979
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: off the refrigerated section. They got the things that a

980
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: burlap sack laying on the shelf of the grocery store,

981
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: a desiccated ham in a burlap sack next to like

982
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: the canned goods. But you like, I'm gonna make that

983
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: with a wild pig some day. What about the soup

984
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:09,919
Speaker 1: beans last night? Oh? Good many, what were you doing that? Yeah,

985
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: you've got over your You're gonna tell him how to

986
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: fix his wife up? Yes, yes, what you do, it's

987
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: take her, adlexaid. I was into the back of patch,

988
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: and man, I'm thinking, you know, I would go cut

989
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: the back of these guys for free if I just

990
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: get to eat at Tommy's mother's house there about seven

991
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,479
Speaker 1: thirty have been worked for thirty minutes, and about seven

992
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: thirties is man, what we're gonna have to eat today?

993
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: Oh mama had to go to town there, says she's

994
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: got a big old stack of a minuted cheese sandwiches

995
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: in their maiden. So we're gonna go over there in

996
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: the durn watermelon patch and bust one open there and

997
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: eat the heart the other and water balls. And I'm thinking,

998
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: I hate pamenta cheese. I hate pamenta cheese. So we

999
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: got around the lunch time and we get in there

1000
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: and she's got this big stack of pamenta cheese and

1001
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: I reached in there and I took a bite. It

1002
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: was the best damn thing I ever had in my

1003
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: entire life, because I was hungry. To this day, I

1004
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: like pimenta cheese, and there's different grades of pmina. You're saying,

1005
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: he's a starve up as a starve up, starver up,

1006
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: starve up right there, and give us some catfish, some deefis.

1007
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't until I met my wife's family,

1008
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: I had never had a pimento cheese. Yeah, Yani married

1009
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: into the South. Pimento cheese is basically a couple of

1010
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: types of maybe grated up cheese, a hard cheese, maybe

1011
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: a soft velveta type, mayonnaise and pimiento peppers. And that's

1012
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: what I was scared too, because for first probably twelve

1013
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: fourteen years of my life, I would not eat cranberry

1014
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: sauce because it was red. Red was off my my bean.

1015
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: You know. We go through the school lunchline and they

1016
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: hit his big gelatinous loaf of stuff in there that

1017
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: they was carving off and it looked like maybe raw

1018
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: liver or something to me, so I would not even try.

1019
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: I Uh, cranberry sauce, now, I love the thing right there.

1020
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: But pimento cheese had these little giblets of red pimentos

1021
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: in there. And there are several different recipes. I think

1022
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: some people, uh put a little sugar in a thing,

1023
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: give a little extra taste, you know, either mayonnaise, salad

1024
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: dress or something like that, and just make a spread

1025
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: out of it and it's out of this world. My

1026
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: mom would take pimento and olive and make pimento cream cheese,

1027
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: which is oh man, that stuff is good. Yeah. So yeah,

1028
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: the mrs I know more. Here's the thing. I know more,

1029
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: and and I know more guys that have problems ridge

1030
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: his wife all, you know. And I've had girlfriends in

1031
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: the past the hat on. I don't eat this, and

1032
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: I don't eat that. Oh my god, listen my wife.

1033
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,919
Speaker 1: My wife is mad at me quite often. But one

1034
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: problem I do not have is, uh, she eats everything. Yeah,

1035
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,919
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. It's I could be like that's rat.

1036
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: She eat it because she don't like to cook, and

1037
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: she likes it. The she likes it. That we wild

1038
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 1: meat and that's and the kids eat wild meat, and

1039
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: she doesn't care. I could. She will eat any kind

1040
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: of food I cook, doesn't care. And she'll have friends over,

1041
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: even like people she works with over, and what she

1042
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: don't ask me like what are you gonna make? And

1043
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: don't make this? She could bring the whole crew over.

1044
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: I'll be like, it's rat. She's gonna be. She just

1045
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: dig in, be like you don't what to eat it,

1046
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: that's but you make it good. You make it good. Yeah.

1047
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, I like, after having lived through

1048
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: all kinds of ex girlfriends who had like, oh I

1049
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: can't eat a rabbit, but she'll eat. But I love

1050
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: your wife like she I'll bring home We brought home

1051
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: pig and I've cooked everything. We've brought home mule here

1052
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: and she and she likes it. Give me some stuff.

1053
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, I'm not nuts about it, you know,

1054
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's the fish thing. And I mean

1055
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: she's even to a point like she loves like Tai Foo,

1056
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: but they cook a lot with like oyster sauces, and

1057
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: she can be like, yeah, they put oyster sauces. I

1058
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: could taste it. I don't like it really. Yeah. The

1059
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: one thing my wife doesn't like, uh skanky salmon. Like

1060
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: if you leave salmon and freeze are too long and

1061
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: it get skanky no matter what you do to hide

1062
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: the skank, she don't like it. That's weird because most

1063
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: people I know love skanky sandon. Um. Yeah, my kids

1064
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: man too. It's like they you know, we don't have

1065
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: to deal with that either. But we've never done the

1066
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: thing where I know people that cook separate meals for

1067
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: their kids at night, which is just I think the

1068
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: worst that you're gonna pay for that the rest of

1069
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: your life. We sent our kids in school the Muskok

1070
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: Sandwich not long ago to you. The only kid in

1071
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: Seattle Public school ever go down to the Muskok Sandwich.

1072
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: They don't even know that. They don't even know it's weird.

1073
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: I was weird skull. We were riding horses and my

1074
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: little three year old said she wanted to get a horse.

1075
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: I said, we don't have anywhere to keep a horse.

1076
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: She says, no where to eat. It's two year old,

1077
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah. We cut the lawn on our at

1078
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: our house and it was it was quite tass. We

1079
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: didn't know all the critters that we were running around there,

1080
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: and we know that we have cotton tail rabbits running

1081
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: around on the hillside, and I guess this morning they

1082
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: were washing the cotton tails out front, and my two

1083
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: year old looked at her mother and said, we're gonna

1084
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 1: eat that bunny. Um. All right, back to cooking catfish.

1085
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: Why is the flathead belly? This is interesting? We covered fiddlers.

1086
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: Everyone's satisfaction? Oh no, because I was did a little

1087
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: Google researching here, and the best I can find out

1088
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: without getting heavy into it, is that because we couldn't

1089
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: do we ever find out where they got its name,

1090
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: I mean just local term that you know that we're

1091
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: up with. They are the catfish that fiddle with your bait.

1092
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: Oh I like that, And I've had a lot of

1093
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: those fiddling them a bait like a bull bullhead kind of.

1094
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: The second answer that is called a bait stealer around here.

1095
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: The second answer was that they make a fiddle like

1096
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: noise when they're pulled out of the water, which I'm

1097
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: not going to accept that I pulled plenty of up

1098
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: and I haven't yet here any fiddling have you that

1099
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: that croaking? Maybe it's a bad faidler there's all manner

1100
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: of fish. I mean, like all the grunts, and you

1101
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: know I don't look like a little fiddle. Ye I

1102
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: don't know about that. Then the big one would look

1103
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: like a big fiddle. Or if something was used from

1104
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: the I've called we're done talking about that. Um, I'm

1105
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: just I'm making an executences. We're not discustom where the

1106
01:06:55,480 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: name came from. Has have we covered the consumption of fiddlers? Kevin?

1107
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: Could you tell me a weight or and or length

1108
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: at which a catfish is ceases to be a fiddler?

1109
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: In my opinion, like he's making a two fists, so

1110
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: so extend your thumbs out from your too fists, your

1111
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: thumbs tip right there. That's a fiddler. That's a fiddler

1112
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: pretty much a grown up adult. Two fists. Put your

1113
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: thumb out like you're making thumbs ups. Touch thumbs tip

1114
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: to tip. You're looking at a fiddler that's undressed. That's

1115
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: head to tail. Yes, yeah, I head to tail. That's

1116
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: that's probably the truth. If you get a big fiddler,

1117
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: it doesn't want to fry good. It takes longer to cook.

1118
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: So if you've got if you've you've got him, he's

1119
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: toilve inches long, you skinning chop his head off? Good,

1120
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: he right there, then he'll fry consistent. You won't have

1121
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: to the big ones, you know if you if you

1122
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: get one and out here two pounds, then he's this

1123
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: bigger round. So to get him cooked all the way

1124
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: through there, his tail end is gonna be over. Considering

1125
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: another word, you guys like, and it's not specific to

1126
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: your area, but you guys use it heavily. Like where

1127
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: I grew up, you clean stuff. You guys dress stuff

1128
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 1: to be like, are you gonna address it? Like we

1129
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: yesterday we dressed the turtle. I would have growing up.

1130
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: We would said you're gonna clean the turtle, but your body.

1131
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: Jordy was like, did you dress the turtle? That's Jody's term.

1132
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: I pretty much say clean so here both ways, but

1133
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty much a clean so again, just real quick,

1134
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: small calfish breakdown. You're you're heading them, gutting them, skinning them. Well,

1135
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: the first thing you would do would be to skin

1136
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: them head on, head down, because it's easy to get

1137
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: hold of there's a little bone that sticks out right

1138
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: below their fan. And if you've got some, if you're

1139
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a catfishman, you need some catfish skin implyers.

1140
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: They're all purpose you know, you we use them skin turtle. Yeah, yeah, there,

1141
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, get you a good bear, keep a sharp

1142
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: edge on things. Idea many many uses there. But when

1143
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 1: you hold the catfish kind of sideways, then that I

1144
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: don't know what that bone is. Actually you just snip

1145
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: that bone right there, and that's where you can get

1146
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: a start on the skin because you've got something hard

1147
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: to get it get against instead of flesh. And the

1148
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 1: catfish skin as slick as we all know, it's starting

1149
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 1: to wall around. But when you push poke that bone

1150
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: out there, it becomes like a little little grab point

1151
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: set point right there. Just nip it with live then

1152
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: you've got your skin open. Grab your skin then and

1153
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: just slow, steady pull all the way out to the

1154
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 1: to the fin skin boat. The skin is kind of

1155
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 1: peters out at the tail. And then do both sides. Uh.

1156
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: You might clip the the top fin off or the

1157
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: side fins with a with a catfish flyers so you're

1158
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: not peeling yourself on there. And then when get it gutted,

1159
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: and then the last thing, cut your head off and

1160
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,879
Speaker 1: a little blood vein in the along the back backbone,

1161
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: take your thumb and whatever, take that off and pop

1162
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 1: that open more ship out and very mild. You don't

1163
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 1: need to trim it because it's small fish, right, there's

1164
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 1: no need going in there looking for blood or fat

1165
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. It it'll cook up and not

1166
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 1: have any type of all flavor whatsoever. And that's probably

1167
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: one of the reason why I used to like eating

1168
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: fiddlers so much growing up when I was small. The

1169
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: big thing around here, we didn't filet fish because you're

1170
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 1: gonna waste a morsel of meat or something. That fish

1171
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 1: is a is a luxury of, is a luxury of

1172
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: like wealthy countries, cultures you go to, you know, you

1173
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 1: go down even into Mexico, South America, Asia, it'll flish ship.

1174
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: You cook fish whole head on and get every bit

1175
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 1: out of there. But we would either have fiddlers or

1176
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: we'd have catfish steaks. You'd go to a restaurant somewhere

1177
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: and that would be the two choices. You want fiddlers

1178
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 1: or you want catfish steaks. Well, when they stake those

1179
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 1: things up, got all that red meat in there, and

1180
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 1: so and it cooks up. Black is what he looks like. Black,

1181
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: gray nasty, nasty, nasty, nasty there, So you just kind

1182
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 1: of picked around that. Sometimes you could do that very successful.

1183
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 1: Sometimes that flavor would go ahead and pregnant. The meat

1184
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 1: be very strong, be very strong. That steak fried, yes, yes, steak, yes, yeah, yeah,

1185
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: we fried cat cat fish steak. Yeah. Hardly any baked

1186
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: will black. And you know a lot of racetorists will

1187
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,600
Speaker 1: black and catfish now. But but the catfish steak was

1188
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, it would be like this wide or so

1189
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: chunked up, same way you steak out of swordfish or shark. Yeah. Down,

1190
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: you need to have the bones, you know, still in there,

1191
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: and you just pick around rick around the bones there.

1192
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: But very it could be very very strong, very strong flavor.

1193
01:11:56,360 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: They were small catfish. Yes, it's good, I mean, you know,

1194
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: very good. So that's every cool unfillers at him. Um

1195
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:13,759
Speaker 1: Now other cats, why do you guys eat flathead belly

1196
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 1: but they don't eat blue belly or channel belly. I've

1197
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: got a friend that's very particular about what he eats.

1198
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 1: Another one of my friends said he was raised on

1199
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 1: vanilla wafers when he was a kid. Does he admits that, yes, yeah, yeah,

1200
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: he admits that. And he commercial fish for a while,

1201
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 1: and he tells me, he said, if I could get

1202
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 1: just one source, get flathead catfish bellies, I could put

1203
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: every catfish restaurant in the area out of business. The

1204
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 1: texture is a little bit more like meaty, meaty texture,

1205
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 1: and you know it does have a very good, good taste.

1206
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 1: You know, when what do you do about that silver

1207
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: skin inside there? Do they scrape that off? Just fried off,

1208
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: just right up, just pull it out there, and you

1209
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 1: know it has no off off paste on that, so

1210
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 1: that what we do, cut that off tape, so you're

1211
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: you're pulling the skin off the catfish, but then the

1212
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 1: whole damn belly park part. Yeah, we'll cut that out,

1213
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, catfish. You know we're looking at a twenty

1214
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 1: to forty pound flathead, so it's gonna have a pretty

1215
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: substantial um stomach on it. Laid outside of a pipe place, yes,

1216
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: pine plate there. Cut it in long straps and pull

1217
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: the skin off, cut that inside out there, and you've

1218
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: got that meat texture. I think I showed you a Garrett.

1219
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 1: I said, open that piece of fish up and you

1220
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 1: can see the meat texture running in there. Wasn't flaky,

1221
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 1: had more structure to be there. It was like I said,

1222
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: I said, this looks like flathead to me. And that's

1223
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 1: when I went up there to the waitress and Nascar said,

1224
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: that says this flatead cat fish. You said, yes, that's

1225
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: what we serve her flat head kind of like crabs

1226
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 1: crab meat in that like stringing stremulated their stranger form there.

1227
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: And how do how do you guys cook up belly?

1228
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: They just fried up the same way, fry the same play.

1229
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 1: So another thing I noticed when they're cleaning. So so

1230
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,520
Speaker 1: that's the anomaly there or the difference like a flathhead

1231
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: people like keep the belly. Now, I noticed everything else.

1232
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: They flay, flaying blues and flaying channels around here. They

1233
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: not only don't take the belly, but they don't flay

1234
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 1: out and over the ribs. So when they come in

1235
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 1: and cut that flay and they get to where you

1236
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: get that thin piece over the ribs, they run their

1237
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 1: knife out and leave the rib and belly meat on

1238
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: the carcass. Just pull off the flay, skin it and

1239
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: then pull the vein out of the flay, but not

1240
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: even keep the rib meat. Now, I had a guy

1241
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: mentioned to me that it was twofold that once you

1242
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: trimm there's nothing left. It's not good, and um, you

1243
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: know it's It's been widely reported that if you have

1244
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 1: high levels of metals in your fish, they tend to

1245
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: accumulate in belly flat fat fat of the belly. So

1246
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 1: that's your understanding of why they don't keep that rib meat.

1247
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna adopt because I've eating the best catfish down

1248
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 1: here I've ever eaten in my life. Um. Meaning another

1249
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 1: way of putting that is the mildest, least muddiest catfish

1250
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: very eating my entire life. I'm gonna adopt wholesale every

1251
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 1: aspect of how they flake catfish in Kentucky. I will

1252
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 1: never handle a catfish another way? Why should you? There's

1253
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: no reason I can't. All right, we fished catfish three

1254
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: ways down here. I'm not even gonna touch on regu

1255
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 1: old fish and pole fish and rod and real fishing

1256
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 1: because everybody knows what that is. It We jugged, limbed,

1257
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: and trotted. I don't know if those are actually verbs.

1258
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: I recently learned that golfing is not a verb. It

1259
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: would be like saying tennising you play golf, you do

1260
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: not go golfing. Um. You know, another little thing to

1261
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: keep if you if you want to be if you

1262
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 1: want to speak the language properly. You can't give away

1263
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: something for free. It could be free of charge, it

1264
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: can be four a dollar, but it is not for free. Well,

1265
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 1: Jody said he was gonna learn your English. Tell you

1266
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: what so breakdown. Jogging jugging um is the technique where

1267
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: you take some type of floating device, whether it be

1268
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: bottles to lead pop bottles, uh silicone together to give

1269
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 1: you four leaders. That keeps you from when you get

1270
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 1: the big big daddy catfish on her. You don't have

1271
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: to chase it all day long, and they fit very

1272
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: conveniently in a nice uh leader bottle rack. Uh. In

1273
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: the state Kentucky, you're allowed twenty five jugs per person. Uh,

1274
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: no more than fifty per boat when you go on

1275
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: a jugging expedition. When I was a kid, you could

1276
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: throw out hooks that is jug. But by law, a

1277
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: jug can only have one singular multi barbered hub. That's correct,

1278
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: that's correct. Uh. Some people you can run a trouble

1279
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: or a jay hook or a circle, but only one.

1280
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 1: When I was gonna come from drivers, some people use

1281
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 1: the pool noodles the pool floats for the kids to long.

1282
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 1: You know, they're like like three ft long four ft longs. Yeah,

1283
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: but can you imagine having fifty of those things dangling

1284
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: in the wind. That's what Leon doesn't like them because

1285
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 1: Leon used the same thing. If you ever see a

1286
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,959
Speaker 1: guy deliver pop to a store, they got those little cartons,

1287
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 1: those little crates that are fit to hold two leader

1288
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,719
Speaker 1: pop ball. So he runs, he transports all his jugs

1289
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 1: and an actual pop carrying deal and it's organized a

1290
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 1: double a double pop carrier. Because I made a mistake,

1291
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: was that the four other day and the cocola man

1292
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 1: was there delivering I'm thinking my opportunity, opportunity, Say, can

1293
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 1: I back up all those uh those cartons right there?

1294
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,680
Speaker 1: And uh he says, he said, I'll just give you

1295
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:28,679
Speaker 1: some how many you need? And I'm doing the quick calculation.

1296
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 1: It holds eight in each one. That says, uh, can

1297
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: I get six from you? Would that be a problem? No? No,

1298
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: So he just hands on too me. I get them

1299
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: back and I know I needed twelve because he cuts

1300
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: the bottom out of one and glues it siliconsa together

1301
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 1: to give it that height. You right there, So I'm

1302
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 1: halfway there. Man. That dude's level organization and tidiness. Loved

1303
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 1: it anyhow, Juggy, we don't need to explain what jugging

1304
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 1: is yet. You got you gotta float a buoy. You've

1305
01:18:56,520 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: gotta gotta buoy float with a line on it um.

1306
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: One method to jug is if you're gonna be fishing

1307
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 1: an area, you keep leaving up parts that I wanted

1308
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 1: that that I think he was a no about not

1309
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: much line. Well, I s where I was going and

1310
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:18,640
Speaker 1: you interrupted me. My friend Leon has been jugging for

1311
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: forty years. It's pure science. And you and you you

1312
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: do Leon's way or the highway, and but everything he's

1313
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:28,560
Speaker 1: got is there for a reason. And he'll have his

1314
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 1: jugs color coding. Do you have like orange will have

1315
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 1: a uh five to seven ft uh later on it

1316
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: um green, uh three to four and then red maybe

1317
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,639
Speaker 1: one to two. Are these any secrets that he doesn't

1318
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 1: want general public color coding? No, No, just in general

1319
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 1: Lee Because he said he's old enough. Yeah, he said,

1320
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago would have told you boys shit about anything.

1321
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 1: Leon words that. He said, I'm old that now. And

1322
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: I had a little thought with him. I said, yeah,

1323
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 1: I said, you know when they come down, and I

1324
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: took him squirrel hunt, and I said, I pretty much

1325
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: everything I knew about squirrel hunting. I told him because

1326
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, if for some young kid, if he can

1327
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 1: take a little bit of what I've told him and

1328
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 1: go out there and have a good experience, we've got

1329
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 1: to get more people in the field hunting and fishing

1330
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: and having success. It having success, that's what it's all,

1331
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:29,759
Speaker 1: apart in cooking, you know, from from uh, catching, cleaning

1332
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: the cooking. We need to be out there showing people there.

1333
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 1: This is what It's not about killing out there. It's

1334
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: about the whole experience of being outdoors. And just like

1335
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 1: you know, we witness Yanni witness that mulberry falling in

1336
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 1: that water yesterday. To me, that's better than catching any

1337
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: fifty pound catfish whatever. That I saw that. I was

1338
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 1: able to go out there and experience that right there,

1339
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 1: and it registered on my hard drive up here, saying hey,

1340
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 1: let's put that to use. See your fruit and mulberry. Yeah, yeah,

1341
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 1: if you see that, I mean it, and we and

1342
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 1: we did, and we were successful. That's being outdoors. That's

1343
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 1: being outdoorsman is observing nature to see what's going on

1344
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 1: out there and utilize it to the fullest advantage there.

1345
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: But now my friend Leon, he's he he would not

1346
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:24,560
Speaker 1: care like I said, he would like to see some

1347
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 1: more people. You know, as I told you earlier there,

1348
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 1: they used to have a jugging tournaments out there on

1349
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: the river there the local fire department we put on

1350
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 1: for a charity fundraiser and said they would last two

1351
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:37,560
Speaker 1: days Saturday and Sunday. Said two days out there on

1352
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 1: the river from daylight to dark. Said it'll make a

1353
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: man out of you. But now we'll explain. But like

1354
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: I said, he color codes them that way. You know.

1355
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 1: I was wishing with him the other day and he said,

1356
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 1: don't throw none of the the orange ones out. Said,

1357
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: we got too low water in that one area. They're

1358
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: all going to hang up when we float over it.

1359
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 1: We'll throw them out. And it's oh, I got you.

1360
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 1: But in a heavy braid like braided line, heavy braided line.

1361
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 1: You know, we're not fly fishing. It's not don't it's

1362
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 1: not a trout that we gotta fool. All. We wanted

1363
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 1: something on the end of the line that's gonna hold them,

1364
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 1: and not like parachord, but like me, about a third

1365
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,680
Speaker 1: diameter para cord. Yeah, I think it's like it's like

1366
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 1: a hundred pound test braided line, but not braided like

1367
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 1: not like a spider wire, but like a like a cord.

1368
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 1: It's a braided nightline line. Yeah. Like in the last

1369
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: they call it Gannon, it's not actually buy that at

1370
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 1: the bait and tackle shop. Yes, And he runs the

1371
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 1: number nine jay hook a number nine alt nine nine

1372
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 1: j hook, big hook, big bait, big fish, Uh, not

1373
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 1: so much big bait with those um the catfish kind

1374
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 1: of go through a stage where they're out in the river.

1375
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 1: They may be what Leon says, sampling out and they'll

1376
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 1: come up and hit a jug or something. They may

1377
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 1: take it under and all of a sudden they let

1378
01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 1: go of it. They're just out there hitting whatever. And uh,

1379
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: you guys, I think saw one go completely under the

1380
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 1: other day and then he let go. And then when

1381
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: they're fading, they're up there goblin and in that hook

1382
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 1: is way down in their mouth. Let me again. I

1383
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 1: feel like I'm like, I feel you're playing, you're playing.

1384
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm playing bass, and you're in, you're in, you're in,

1385
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 1: you're playing your your soul low guitar. But I want

1386
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: to like just set the stage because Everything you're saying

1387
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:29,639
Speaker 1: is great, but I feel like the the the order

1388
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 1: of information on jogging, I'll backtrack. Yeah, let me just

1389
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: lay it out for a second, because then you're gonna

1390
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 1: give all the nuance detail. But you're not unders because

1391
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 1: you grew up around, You've known about jugging your whole life.

1392
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell it meant. So I'm

1393
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:48,759
Speaker 1: gonna give you the very very offer but very layman's

1394
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 1: explanation of jogging, and then you will lay on all

1395
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 1: the things I don't understand. You got floats, jugs with

1396
01:23:56,920 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 1: small two to six ft leader address on them, name

1397
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 1: an address on them, in a hook and a white

1398
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 1: in a wait a washer, and you kind of wait

1399
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 1: to get it down in the river more than a washer.

1400
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:16,640
Speaker 1: And in the Mississippi specifically stainless nylon locknuts, big gas

1401
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 1: stainless nylon on some of the ricks, but a big

1402
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:23,639
Speaker 1: oh wait. You get above suitable area in a river,

1403
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 1: you get above where you know a calfish to be

1404
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 1: hanging out. Kevin will explain what that is. You bait

1405
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 1: all your hooks and you start throwing the jugs overboard.

1406
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 1: Then you drift down in your boat with your flotilla

1407
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 1: of jugs, and when you're throwing them, it's not just

1408
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 1: like on one long you spread them out. They're kind

1409
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 1: of spread out in the line, and it's important to

1410
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: note and Cameron probably says it's earlier too, but they

1411
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:54,759
Speaker 1: start on the inside because the current is faster towards

1412
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 1: the middle of the river, so they start dropping them there.

1413
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 1: That's the new ones though. Sorry, I'm trying to lay

1414
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 1: down the bay line. Yeah, sorry, And you're not killing

1415
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 1: it exactly right. So you throw your jugs overboard, yes,

1416
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 1: in a very specific timely way that we'll get into.

1417
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 1: You're floating along with him. You throw your jugs overboard.

1418
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 1: You drift down river, watching the jugs for the telltale

1419
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 1: sign of a fish being on there, which would be

1420
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 1: when you're running to two liters silicone together. The jug

1421
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 1: stands up in a big fish will pull it under,

1422
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:35,679
Speaker 1: at which point you use your paddle or trolling motor

1423
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 1: very stealthily, not running your motor, but very stealthily go over,

1424
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: grab the jug, raise the fish up, net them. What's

1425
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 1: holding them there. He's not slack lined because he's fighting

1426
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: the jug. The jug is performing the function of your

1427
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 1: rod tip like he pulls in his resistance and so

1428
01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 1: he's never getting slack lined. Um and you pull them

1429
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 1: a boat. Yeah, add you know all your color. And

1430
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 1: but I feel like now the listener understands what we're

1431
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,760
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, totally, totally, No, I think Kevin should

1432
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 1: because obviously already have to talk Kevin. Okay, Garrett did

1433
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 1: raise your hand? Well, just because I want to let

1434
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,600
Speaker 1: Kevin free wrap once he gets going. But for me

1435
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 1: to understand as a you know, born and raised Montan

1436
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: and moving around elsewhere, illegal all point out and you

1437
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 1: can set up but you can set out a set

1438
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: line with six hooks on it. That's a fix of

1439
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 1: the bank. Yeah, but what equated how I wrapped my

1440
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 1: brain around observing what was going down? It would be

1441
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 1: like if you were ice fishing on a mobile ice

1442
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 1: chunk down the yellow Stone, you know what I mean.

1443
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,600
Speaker 1: But like the jugs were like tip ups kind of

1444
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 1: like fifty tip ups yeah, and the moving Yeah, and

1445
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 1: you're moving with the ice. But that's all right, now

1446
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 1: lay down the color. You're getting ready to roll your

1447
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 1: jugs out. You look at your river conditions, see how

1448
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,679
Speaker 1: much currents going the wind. The wind plays a big

1449
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 1: factor in those yeahs. You've got the big two leaders,

1450
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: four leaders setting on top of the water acts like

1451
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 1: a sail, So you've got to take in consideration. The

1452
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: current is the main factor, and you're trying You're trying

1453
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: to deliver the bait to a river feature the same

1454
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 1: way when you're casting, you're like, oh, cast into that seam,

1455
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 1: or cast into the edge of that hole, or cast

1456
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 1: into the shade line. You're trying to drop these things

1457
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 1: in when they're gonna be two yards down the river

1458
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: and deliver them right into where you want without your

1459
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 1: boat going in there and spooking the fish. I think

1460
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 1: one of the rules of thumb is that uh ten

1461
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 1: of waters hold the fish. I hear. I keep hearing

1462
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 1: that of the fisherman cash n and yes, And that's

1463
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 1: what you're trying to do. You're trying to manipulate those jugs.

1464
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 1: You've got to watch out for bards traffic to you know,

1465
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 1: we didn't fish in the channel. We did have three

1466
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 1: jugs get hung up on a buoy uh from a

1467
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: log that was out there, so they took those immediately.

1468
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 1: The log hung up on the bully and the jugs

1469
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 1: got hung on the log. But like you said, you're

1470
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:13,760
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, Okay, the currents running this much

1471
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: this morning, We've got this much of a wind there,

1472
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: war do I need to set those jugs to make

1473
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 1: them hit those locations in the location that you want

1474
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 1: to go. You want to transition most of the time

1475
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 1: from shallow water to deep water. They're laying a little

1476
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 1: clay in in those those areas that those those river

1477
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 1: um jetty's that are built out there to redirect the

1478
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 1: flow of the water. You know, they come out there.

1479
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 1: It's scouring the bottom of the the river, pushing the

1480
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 1: current over, keeping the channel cut. And then you've got me.

1481
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 1: We may be in four foot of water, then all

1482
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: of a sudden it jump, it jumps off to twenty

1483
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 1: five ft of water right here. Rivers you learned to know.

1484
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 1: You know, you can look at the surface of the river.

1485
01:28:57,479 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 1: You know the water is not clear. You can look

1486
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 1: at the service of the ever tell a lot about

1487
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 1: what's going on in underneath the river. And you're looking

1488
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 1: for those little edge what what's he called the little edges?

1489
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:08,680
Speaker 1: I think reefs? What he was No, he had no

1490
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 1: he had uh brick breaks breaks, current breaks to find

1491
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 1: out what the underwater topography last, yes, but you know

1492
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: that's what you want to fish for. You put those

1493
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:24,680
Speaker 1: jugs out and hopefully you know, sometimes you might want

1494
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 1: them all concentrated in one area, or if you're not

1495
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 1: for sure where the fish have been feeding, you've got

1496
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 1: to spread out from close to the bank all the

1497
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 1: way out to the main channel. And then as that was,

1498
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, we've got the confluence of two rivers, the

1499
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 1: olying in Mississippi, quite a bit of current coming in there,

1500
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 1: and you just have to know the river. You know,

1501
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:48,599
Speaker 1: we're if you're up here on Kentucky Lake or whatever,

1502
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 1: that you may go into a bay and you know

1503
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 1: that that uh, the wind is blowing into the bay,

1504
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 1: so you'll go out to the mouth of the lake

1505
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 1: the old river channel, set your jugs there, let them

1506
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 1: blow into the into the bay, and collect them there

1507
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 1: instead of going into the end of the bay. And

1508
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 1: then it may be blowing out of the bay, so

1509
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 1: you'll put them on the windward side and do that.

1510
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 1: So you take the factors of you may be an

1511
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:17,679
Speaker 1: area where there's very little current and then the wind

1512
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 1: goes into be the main factor of of jug um

1513
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 1: manipulation or motive or motoring from that away you can.

1514
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: And there's a wide variety of bats, cut bait, live bait, um,

1515
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 1: chicken gizzards, chicken livers, en, bigar looking jello, dear heart,

1516
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 1: you know deer hearts out there. Um like people if

1517
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: they if they can prefer um. Since the Asian carp

1518
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 1: has hit our waters, Uh, they're in competition with all

1519
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 1: of the bait fish and we just not see the

1520
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 1: bait fish are hard to get in certain times a year.

1521
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 1: They're hard to get anyway. And like I said, one

1522
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 1: of the methods of leon is I've got a good bait.

1523
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 1: It might not be the best bait, but consistently it's

1524
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 1: a good bait. And and also damn good man, she

1525
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 1: can get her sorked in garlic. God, and there's how

1526
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 1: you open that cooler. But I started getting hungry, and

1527
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 1: we know what the issue is to getting bait. You know,

1528
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,679
Speaker 1: we really needed some blue gill when we went fishing,

1529
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 1: but didn't have the time opportunity. I tried to get

1530
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 1: my buddy, uh Raymond to catch us some bait. Two

1531
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:31,719
Speaker 1: weeks ago, we went down to a little spot throughout

1532
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 1: a one cast off ave thrown. It had fourteen fifteen

1533
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 1: blue gill well, rains came in all the little places

1534
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 1: that he had fished it filled it with water. He

1535
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 1: made several floes and he'd come out with one shad

1536
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 1: out of that time. So so you know, a bait,

1537
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 1: it becomes an issue that that, yes, if we had

1538
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 1: had some uh small blue gill, we would have fared

1539
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:58,639
Speaker 1: in the short and those gar I think we're taking

1540
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 1: those shiner's office fast and set down. So anyhow, so

1541
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:04,600
Speaker 1: getting back, like I said, he's got a bait that

1542
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to spend an hour or two, uh

1543
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, fishing for we were. We got down the

1544
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 1: arrows and it was a short, short night for you guys,

1545
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 1: got up about three and we met down there at

1546
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 1: uh what quarter to five, you know when he was

1547
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 1: in the water by five thirty, you know, right there

1548
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:22,760
Speaker 1: at daybreak. And the reason he likes to do that

1549
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 1: is we started off by fishing a bar, a six

1550
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: ft deep bar. And he said, the minute pleasure boater

1551
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 1: or a not so smart jug fisherman runs his boat

1552
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 1: over that bar, it pushes all the blues off the bar.

1553
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 1: Like the very sensitive that he likes to be the

1554
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 1: first boat on the water because he wants the first

1555
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 1: thing that he doesn't want any to spook those catfish

1556
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 1: off that bar so he can run his jugs over it.

1557
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 1: He said. Once that happens, you know, he says, he

1558
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 1: sees a lot of guys, well meaning guys zoom across

1559
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 1: the bar from a downs to come from downstair, drive

1560
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 1: over the bar and throw all their jugs. He said,

1561
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 1: its pointless because you run all the catfish off the bar.

1562
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 1: And we kind of proved that to ourselves because we

1563
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 1: went back and fish that bar one one fish. Yeah.

1564
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:13,840
Speaker 1: The first time we pulled I don't know, we caught

1565
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,599
Speaker 1: total that day two hundred pounds of fish. In the end,

1566
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 1: like I said, we went the second time, we got

1567
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:21,600
Speaker 1: one fish. That's someone that went down that There was

1568
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 1: a boat. We don't know for sure if they were

1569
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 1: jugging in line, they had good fat, they had a

1570
01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 1: good float. But we came in right behind those guys.

1571
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:31,920
Speaker 1: We came over and I don't know, we caught fifteen

1572
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:33,600
Speaker 1: or something the first time, or I don't know, some

1573
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 1: number of them. We have a two hundred pounds of fish,

1574
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:40,880
Speaker 1: thirty eight pounds of trimmed boneless place, no belly mate,

1575
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 1: no belly meat. Yeah, and I don't know if you

1576
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 1: guys got to see it, because you know, there's a

1577
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 1: certain monotony that kinda starts after you figured it out

1578
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 1: and you see what's going on, and and it's kind

1579
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 1: of like, all right, all right, I kind of got

1580
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 1: this jugging thing. But there was an instance, because you're

1581
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:58,640
Speaker 1: watching most of the jugs when they were getting hit,

1582
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 1: they're kind of flopping around a little bit. If it's

1583
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 1: a bigger fish, it's the dug jug disappears for half

1584
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 1: a second, it pops back up, you know, it starts

1585
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,640
Speaker 1: to really flop real well. And that's when Leon was

1586
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 1: starting to get excited. But we were about ten feet

1587
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 1: away from two jugs I just happened to be. There

1588
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 1: were like in my you know, periphery, and all of

1589
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 1: a sudden, one of those jugs just goes bye bye,

1590
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 1: I mean just just is gone. And I'm going, what what?

1591
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 1: And and the guy was driving our bows just like shit,

1592
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 1: He's like, let's hope it doesn't come up. It ain't

1593
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 1: coming up. Let's hope it doesn't come up. And I

1594
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 1: mean we never saw it come back up, and obviously

1595
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 1: it did because we recovered the jugs, and that you

1596
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 1: just lose track because the rivers drift in the fish

1597
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 1: is dragging it around. You don't know where it popped

1598
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 1: up and when it did, but I mean for at

1599
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 1: least thirty seconds a minute, this jug was gone. So

1600
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 1: we had a giant on It gets exciting when that happens. Yeah,

1601
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:55,479
Speaker 1: he gets some fish to approaching hunter pounds. He's got

1602
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:58,640
Speaker 1: a hundred pound picture one there on the on the

1603
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:01,560
Speaker 1: wall of his garage, and he said, you trimmed that

1604
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 1: thing up flat and trim it up. He says, you

1605
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 1: can't tell the difference in that in the four pound

1606
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:10,759
Speaker 1: cat taste wise, this is an all the thing, all right, lemon,

1607
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:16,960
Speaker 1: There's nothing like seeing pulling up and having a big

1608
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 1: flat head on there. And this Liam is going, we

1609
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:25,200
Speaker 1: get it. You gotta lay the groundwork, said, everybody know

1610
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 1: how to limb line. No limb line. That's the technique

1611
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 1: where you take a single hook and you tie it

1612
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:40,280
Speaker 1: onto a limber branch sticking out over the water. Uh.

1613
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 1: If you did hit it to a snag or whatever.

1614
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:45,639
Speaker 1: If you get a big fish, he's gonna tear off.

1615
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:49,880
Speaker 1: He's gonna tear off of that yanking and pulling. But um,

1616
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 1: you take one of mother nature's fishing rids is hanging

1617
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:57,519
Speaker 1: out there for you. Tie you uh one wrap around

1618
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 1: a double hitch really easy to pull off. It will

1619
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 1: hold the fish. Uh. Have us whatever small weight, maybe

1620
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 1: a washer, maybe a nut, may be a lead sink

1621
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:09,719
Speaker 1: or whatever to keep your bait down in the water

1622
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:15,600
Speaker 1: somewhat uh anywhere from know your river conditions, know what

1623
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:17,600
Speaker 1: your river is gonna do. Because you don't want to

1624
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:21,160
Speaker 1: be fishing in air the next morning air, but you

1625
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 1: you're because you're fishing so like a foot to three

1626
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 1: ft yes, what I like to like to fish in

1627
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 1: uh even better with if the river is rising somewhat, Um,

1628
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:37,080
Speaker 1: you mark the river bank before after we got everything

1629
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 1: set to see what we're going to be the next day,

1630
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 1: and I think it actually had risen just a little bit,

1631
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:44,719
Speaker 1: so we had a pretty pretty much uh steady river elevation.

1632
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 1: But there again, uh, you need some type of marker.

1633
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 1: It's route easy to lose your limb lines. I use

1634
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:57,839
Speaker 1: a black tar braided line. If you use a whiteman

1635
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 1: it shows up much better. But everybody else can see

1636
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 1: those two and we put a small orange marker on them.

1637
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:05,840
Speaker 1: Plus we had our names on each one of the

1638
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:07,640
Speaker 1: limb lines about law you have to do that, and

1639
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:09,759
Speaker 1: how many limb lines allowed to run per person? You're

1640
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:12,720
Speaker 1: able to run twenty five per person. You're supposed to

1641
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:15,719
Speaker 1: check them every twenty four Yeah, every twenty four hours.

1642
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 1: And and you let that thing dangl are and fish yep,

1643
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:23,439
Speaker 1: put it in. We baited up in the morning. Uh

1644
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:27,720
Speaker 1: probably all in all. We used shiners, which were very

1645
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 1: easy to tear off. Going to try to keep live baiting.

1646
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:32,560
Speaker 1: We were gonna target flatheads is what we were going for.

1647
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 1: The flatted cats, and in their number one food is

1648
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 1: live probably one reason why their belly meat taste better

1649
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 1: on the on the flat ist because everything they eat

1650
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:45,720
Speaker 1: is lying protein there. It's not you know, whatever is

1651
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:50,519
Speaker 1: floating in the river. But UM beat them up. I

1652
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:53,640
Speaker 1: used eight alt just a straight jay hook with a

1653
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:58,000
Speaker 1: swivel in there. And then our weight was a shiny washer,

1654
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 1: uh hoping that that's a fish attractant with it turning

1655
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:06,040
Speaker 1: there in the water. Looks like some type of bait

1656
01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 1: fish in there, so a dual purpose. It holds it down,

1657
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:13,720
Speaker 1: maybe maybe attracted and um we baited with um with

1658
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 1: a shinermans and deer heart deer hearts and another very

1659
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 1: very excellent um fish attracted. So I would say on

1660
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 1: average these things are set from three four yards from

1661
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 1: the bank out to ten twelve yards in the bank

1662
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 1: right whatever overhead limb. The limb was probably typically five

1663
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 1: six ft at the most above the water surface ten

1664
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 1: ft a line tying not put a bait on, let

1665
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:50,680
Speaker 1: it dingle in the current and uh live bait and

1666
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:55,160
Speaker 1: then let it do its job. We have illegal where

1667
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:59,200
Speaker 1: I grew up that line. All this stuff that all illegal. Huh.

1668
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:02,559
Speaker 1: You're like one line, one line in the water has

1669
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 1: ben a routing reel. So that's pretty easy one to understand.

1670
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean when you had the time, when you had

1671
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:11,679
Speaker 1: them bade it up, we had a fish on. Yeah,

1672
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 1: pull little channel cat fish off trot line, and I

1673
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 1: think many more people are familiar with trot lining. Another

1674
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 1: version of limb line and is the one I was

1675
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:24,080
Speaker 1: talking about, which is poke polling, where if you don't

1676
01:39:24,120 --> 01:39:27,240
Speaker 1: have good overhanging limbs, you take a big limber sapling,

1677
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:30,680
Speaker 1: cut a sharp end on it and just jab that

1678
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 1: some bitch way into the bank and then tie off

1679
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 1: on that and you're basically making a limb. You know,

1680
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 1: you're making like a limb in the perfect position you

1681
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:40,800
Speaker 1: wanted in and then letting that hang there and come

1682
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 1: back through and check it. Which is poke polling, variational

1683
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 1: limb lining. UM trot line. A sports trot line can

1684
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:55,040
Speaker 1: have no more than fifty hooks h per line. Uh

1685
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 1: eighteen inches apart from one hook to the next is

1686
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:02,560
Speaker 1: the minimum amount of distance and needs to be some

1687
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:10,320
Speaker 1: three ft underwater. What why is that recreational boat props? Yeah,

1688
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 1: it can be lower than three three We've run our

1689
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,519
Speaker 1: own set lines over doing that and you know, like

1690
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:19,960
Speaker 1: cut them off with the prop, you know, And what

1691
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 1: you have is a little square box um that's holding about.

1692
01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:26,960
Speaker 1: It's got little notches cut in. You've got a mainline

1693
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 1: that's big, it's like probably like a hundred and twenty pound,

1694
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:34,920
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty pound tests and then you string what

1695
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:39,719
Speaker 1: we call the tugs. The tugs are a smaller Brady line.

1696
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:43,200
Speaker 1: Let's say it's it's a hundred pounds. Other folks call

1697
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:47,240
Speaker 1: them droppers or leaders. Yeah, well okay, okay, and uh

1698
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 1: um it's got a swivel on there. Uh mine were

1699
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:54,519
Speaker 1: made up. We're head beads on each end, so the

1700
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:58,640
Speaker 1: tug can can can spin around whatever it needs to do.

1701
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:02,240
Speaker 1: A We had some small hooks. We had some well

1702
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:06,240
Speaker 1: fiddler hooks on there, pretty much number two number two hooks,

1703
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 1: and we baited those up mainly with the little chunks

1704
01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:12,519
Speaker 1: of dear heart and about the size of your end

1705
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:14,439
Speaker 1: of your little finger. I think we did put a

1706
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:18,519
Speaker 1: shiner or two on theres uh. Like I said, when

1707
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 1: we made the ani made the observation of the local

1708
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:25,600
Speaker 1: of quick stop for the fish to get the mulberries.

1709
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:28,720
Speaker 1: And I tasted some of the mulberries, and I've been

1710
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:32,840
Speaker 1: the mulberries for fifty years or longer. My grandmother had

1711
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:37,400
Speaker 1: three big mulberry trees in her backyard, and the ones

1712
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 1: that we got to sample the best of ever had

1713
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 1: the best in the biggest, like hydroponically grown on the

1714
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:47,720
Speaker 1: bank of the Ohio River, and they were just outstanding.

1715
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:50,360
Speaker 1: That's what they called the bulberry gang. That's right. Well,

1716
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:55,080
Speaker 1: I got purple hands, and it's pretty hard to get off,

1717
01:41:55,680 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 1: pretty hard. But you've got your line of your truck line,

1718
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:04,479
Speaker 1: fifty hooks tied up to tugs. You have a special

1719
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:10,040
Speaker 1: box built um that's four sighted holds, has about twelve

1720
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:14,680
Speaker 1: to the thirteen fourteen slots in each side. Uh you

1721
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 1: call with a screen bottom in it so water can

1722
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:20,400
Speaker 1: run right through. When you retrieve your line, you don't

1723
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:23,800
Speaker 1: have a multi mess in there. And so you you

1724
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:28,200
Speaker 1: take the lead in of your trouck line uh put

1725
01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:30,639
Speaker 1: it in the bottom of the box. And then each

1726
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:33,839
Speaker 1: of those notches you put a tug with a hook attached.

1727
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 1: And so then you just put them in there in

1728
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:39,240
Speaker 1: order to go around. And then when you get ready

1729
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 1: to uh um place the line in the in the

1730
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 1: in the water, you may need a a piece of

1731
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:50,800
Speaker 1: Brady line to tie off too, uh some type of

1732
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:54,360
Speaker 1: structure like we did, and we just start feeding line out.

1733
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:57,920
Speaker 1: You bait it up before you start fishing. Where you

1734
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 1: got your bait on there, tie off to a tree

1735
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:02,920
Speaker 1: structure or whatever. Or if you want to go out

1736
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:06,000
Speaker 1: in deep water, you may drop an anchor down with

1737
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:10,240
Speaker 1: a float. Get the depth of the water, maybe twenty feet.

1738
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:13,160
Speaker 1: You want to fish ten feet of water, so tie

1739
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:16,679
Speaker 1: your line ten feet, have a float up at the top,

1740
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:18,800
Speaker 1: and then you've got a line suspended out of the

1741
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:21,439
Speaker 1: deep channel and then do the same thing on the

1742
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:26,400
Speaker 1: other end. But you just start um um reel in

1743
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 1: your your box line out and went fairly smooth. I mean,

1744
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:32,559
Speaker 1: you know you've got fifty hooks, right you guys string there.

1745
01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:36,840
Speaker 1: You gotta string that something. Bitch banjo tight banjo. Yeah,

1746
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 1: you get her banjo tight in that way. Uh, it

1747
01:43:40,439 --> 01:43:42,599
Speaker 1: stays at that elevation that you think where the fish

1748
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:46,000
Speaker 1: are gonna be. Uh, doesn't flop around in the current.

1749
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:48,280
Speaker 1: You know, there's all types of debris in the water

1750
01:43:48,439 --> 01:43:51,479
Speaker 1: sticking up roots, limbs and all that right there. So

1751
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:53,639
Speaker 1: you get her tight. You know, she's out there flopping

1752
01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:55,600
Speaker 1: in the water. She's allowed to get tangled up on

1753
01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:59,160
Speaker 1: all kinds of We lost fish because of having the

1754
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:01,960
Speaker 1: fish wrath around like that. One time we had it

1755
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:05,599
Speaker 1: hung up, we lost two cats or three cats right there. Yeah, yes,

1756
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 1: trying to because we've got some slack in her line,

1757
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, trying to just trying to get it unsnagged,

1758
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:13,800
Speaker 1: and it's and just got your name and idea and

1759
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:16,519
Speaker 1: andreas on that. Also, like I said, you're you're allowed

1760
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:22,760
Speaker 1: to fish two fifty hook boxes per person. Our one

1761
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 1: fifty box. And so we set out to lines over

1762
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:32,000
Speaker 1: probably a hundred yards long maybe oh yes, yea, every

1763
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:34,759
Speaker 1: bit of that fifty hooks on each and we strung

1764
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:39,240
Speaker 1: them parallel to the bank, a fixed too, snags and

1765
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:43,200
Speaker 1: over and falling trees, so you're basically running it a

1766
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:45,639
Speaker 1: little bit. I don't know, thirty ft off the bank,

1767
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 1: parallel to the bank. All bait it up and um

1768
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:55,960
Speaker 1: it's fun. Man works good adam. Concluding thoughts, it's a trip, man,

1769
01:44:56,000 --> 01:45:01,720
Speaker 1: I love catfish. It's good. Thank you. You had a

1770
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 1: good time. Yeah, now I had a great time. A

1771
01:45:04,360 --> 01:45:07,400
Speaker 1: little warm for me, the humidity. But you've seen all

1772
01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:10,759
Speaker 1: manner of fishing. Yeah, I've done a lot of bill fishing,

1773
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:13,920
Speaker 1: a lot of sale fishing one yeah, big big game fish.

1774
01:45:13,960 --> 01:45:17,280
Speaker 1: I guess you would call them me sales Marlon tuna.

1775
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:19,160
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of it, so I always I

1776
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:22,000
Speaker 1: always think it's fun to. I like fishing, so it's

1777
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:24,160
Speaker 1: fun to We'll see how it works other ways. And

1778
01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:26,760
Speaker 1: do you think all those yachtsmen with helicopters on their

1779
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:30,120
Speaker 1: boats and whatnot are gonna come start fishing noodlers tomorrow?

1780
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 1: Probably not? You never know. Yeah, any concluding thoughts, M

1781
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 1: I had one, can you come back to me. I

1782
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:47,040
Speaker 1: forgot it. I got to dirt alright, alright, first one,

1783
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:49,679
Speaker 1: I wish we had time to talk about the swamp

1784
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:52,880
Speaker 1: night because that was pretty well. Yeah, I do want

1785
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:56,519
Speaker 1: to mention something, but you use your concluding thoughts, Well,

1786
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 1: you could do it cleanly and efficiently. Use your concluding

1787
01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:01,679
Speaker 1: thoughts that mentioned any aspects of the trips. I'm gonna

1788
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:04,680
Speaker 1: mention too, the paddle fish and the snapper. Okay, well

1789
01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:07,320
Speaker 1: I gotta worry about those, Okay, Well, before I get

1790
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:10,120
Speaker 1: to that. The other question I had, like, these are

1791
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:14,600
Speaker 1: big rivers. I'm bad with geography. He can't barely say it.

1792
01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:19,480
Speaker 1: So when when I came down, I knew the Mississippi

1793
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:21,479
Speaker 1: was big, but I didn't realize that all a lot

1794
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 1: of these rivers are huge. The Mississippi is a sham.

1795
01:46:26,200 --> 01:46:30,639
Speaker 1: The Mississippi is the Missouri named it before they realized

1796
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:37,599
Speaker 1: the Missouri. The Missouri heads yeah up in Montana. Yeah,

1797
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:43,720
Speaker 1: flows all the way across the continent. Is gigantic when

1798
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:47,960
Speaker 1: it picks up a little piss aunt creek called the Mississippi,

1799
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:51,280
Speaker 1: which then assumes the name of the Missouri and then

1800
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:53,320
Speaker 1: picks up the Ohio, which it get is bigger than that.

1801
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:59,439
Speaker 1: But it's a bullshit river. Calling it the Mississippi's bullsh Yeah.

1802
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:07,160
Speaker 1: But yes, all that stuff, he just says, but my

1803
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:10,800
Speaker 1: question just to give the listeners an idea. These are

1804
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:13,800
Speaker 1: big waters. There's a lot of trees, there's a lot

1805
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:17,800
Speaker 1: of there's not many like landscape markings, and like you

1806
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:21,240
Speaker 1: guys are setting on specific fishy areas and you never

1807
01:47:21,439 --> 01:47:24,920
Speaker 1: use GPS s And I'm curious, like a lot of

1808
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:29,679
Speaker 1: people and other sportsman activities, will you know mark certain

1809
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 1: areas in this net? And I haven't seen you guys

1810
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:35,800
Speaker 1: do any of that. You know you nor leon to

1811
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:38,040
Speaker 1: take a stab at that after Kevin answers it um,

1812
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:44,320
Speaker 1: we look for landmarks that coming to our eyes. Like

1813
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:48,200
Speaker 1: when we stopped putting down, you know, I knew where

1814
01:47:48,200 --> 01:47:50,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna start, you know, putting limb lines in not

1815
01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 1: far from the boat ram ptt be easy right there. Well,

1816
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:56,559
Speaker 1: when we put the last limb line out, I looked

1817
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:59,320
Speaker 1: there and I saw a feature, a snag into the

1818
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:01,760
Speaker 1: bank round but is like thousands of it was a

1819
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:07,479
Speaker 1: special snag. What do you say? Thinking what Lee I

1820
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:09,439
Speaker 1: was saying. He goes, oh, there used to be a

1821
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:14,519
Speaker 1: bar right here. There ran four hundred yards like basically

1822
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:18,200
Speaker 1: from here, he goes, what's gone? Now? It's such a

1823
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:22,600
Speaker 1: dynamic waterway, it's always shifting the whole islands that like

1824
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 1: weren't there when he was a kid, and they're there now. Yeah,

1825
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:29,320
Speaker 1: And then no GPS and the channels move around all

1826
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:31,400
Speaker 1: the time. It just is like it would be irrelevant.

1827
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:35,519
Speaker 1: Oh yeah with the GPS. He's like, oh sometimes this bar,

1828
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:37,240
Speaker 1: like this bar used to be a mile down. But

1829
01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:40,760
Speaker 1: I mean like because you got these flood cycles. Like

1830
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:43,320
Speaker 1: he's saw a boat we've been going around and he's

1831
01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:46,120
Speaker 1: talking about you'd been looking up a hill at a

1832
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:48,200
Speaker 1: at a gazebo on top of the hill, and he's

1833
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 1: been talking about the water being need deep in the gazebo.

1834
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:55,840
Speaker 1: They built smithland locks and like two and before that

1835
01:48:56,479 --> 01:48:59,439
Speaker 1: the shoot that we fishing, and you could pretty much

1836
01:48:59,560 --> 01:49:02,760
Speaker 1: walk from there over to Hercan Island. It was just

1837
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:05,479
Speaker 1: that there was a big, huge sand bar out there.

1838
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:07,519
Speaker 1: In my buddy policy, that's where we all learn to

1839
01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:09,600
Speaker 1: swim out here on the sand bar. But it was

1840
01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:14,640
Speaker 1: very little, very little little water through there. And now

1841
01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:17,439
Speaker 1: they raised the pool like six seven feet and it's

1842
01:49:17,439 --> 01:49:20,920
Speaker 1: become a big big lake. Um what they it may change,

1843
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:23,920
Speaker 1: it won't change you more. Um, they're getting ready there

1844
01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:27,040
Speaker 1: in the process of being onstead down that's that's halfway

1845
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:31,880
Speaker 1: between there and Leon's most expensive core of engineers project ever,

1846
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:34,519
Speaker 1: and it's gonna take out a couple more locks out there.

1847
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 1: It's gonna we're gonna have a huge lake pool from

1848
01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:41,160
Speaker 1: from from about sixty seventy miles down from there all

1849
01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:43,639
Speaker 1: the way up. It's cool though, too, because you're taken

1850
01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:46,240
Speaker 1: note in real time as opposed to being hooked to

1851
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:50,560
Speaker 1: some screen. You know, you're being more engaged with We

1852
01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:52,560
Speaker 1: may may look on the river bank and see a

1853
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:54,800
Speaker 1: tall tree. Now when we motored to the other side

1854
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:58,599
Speaker 1: and the river feature that I noticed, I told Stevens,

1855
01:49:59,240 --> 01:50:01,479
Speaker 1: see the tree with the still got the leaves on

1856
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:03,960
Speaker 1: it that's been knocked over. I said, that's where we're

1857
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:06,080
Speaker 1: gonna start, you know, with her with her jokes, so

1858
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:08,200
Speaker 1: I knew when do I come across. And then when

1859
01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:10,800
Speaker 1: I got across there says, well, we put the trout

1860
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:13,760
Speaker 1: line up river at the Mulberry Tree, so I had

1861
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:18,519
Speaker 1: my one landmark to go and going up river. If

1862
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:20,759
Speaker 1: it had been nighttime, I might have had a GPS

1863
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:26,680
Speaker 1: out there, because you get real confused like that going

1864
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:28,240
Speaker 1: to a deer stand in the morning on the far

1865
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:32,559
Speaker 1: side of the Island. Very confusing, very confusing. You got

1866
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:36,040
Speaker 1: your thought edity more time? Yeah, we because I can

1867
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:38,640
Speaker 1: go another item. We are just not gonna get to

1868
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:43,639
Speaker 1: talk about too much. But the e Town River Restaurant. Yeah,

1869
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:45,760
Speaker 1: that's that's gonna be your concluding thought. Yeah, all right,

1870
01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:49,759
Speaker 1: break it down. Um, it's just it's super cool because

1871
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:53,760
Speaker 1: it really is like the maybe the the last place

1872
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:57,280
Speaker 1: where you can get fish like that close to the

1873
01:50:57,400 --> 01:51:01,599
Speaker 1: source and went back in time. Yeah. So this guy

1874
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:08,479
Speaker 1: processes thousands and lots lots. I wasn't gonna say how

1875
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:16,840
Speaker 1: many thousands, just what I thought. He's gonna many hounds, Yeah,

1876
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:21,280
Speaker 1: um of catfish that are brought to him by commercial fishermen.

1877
01:51:21,479 --> 01:51:24,360
Speaker 1: His his restaurant is a floating is on a barge

1878
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:28,240
Speaker 1: on on the Ohio River. Yeah. And I'll point out

1879
01:51:28,840 --> 01:51:32,880
Speaker 1: or I'll let you no, I will. This is one

1880
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:37,720
Speaker 1: of very few commercial freshwater fisheries in the nation for

1881
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:41,519
Speaker 1: native fish. Will name some more. Canada runs some commercial fisheries.

1882
01:51:41,560 --> 01:51:43,760
Speaker 1: Michigan has like a commercial fishery for Lake White Fire.

1883
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:48,360
Speaker 1: There's very few commercial fisheries, maybe some in Canada, some

1884
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:50,760
Speaker 1: in in northern Great Lakes, often with trial only with

1885
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:53,479
Speaker 1: tribal fishermen anyway, it's one of the very very few

1886
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:59,640
Speaker 1: commercial fisheries for native freshwater fish go ahead, and so

1887
01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:05,280
Speaker 1: the fishes bought there. It's clean right there. I mean literally,

1888
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:10,880
Speaker 1: the little cleaning station is not jumping distance, but certainly

1889
01:52:10,920 --> 01:52:14,559
Speaker 1: a stone's throw from where the fryer is. You walk

1890
01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:17,439
Speaker 1: right on there and you're getting fit. You're you're eating

1891
01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:20,519
Speaker 1: on top of the river that the fish grew up in.

1892
01:52:21,160 --> 01:52:23,400
Speaker 1: And the live well is within jumping distance of the

1893
01:52:23,439 --> 01:52:27,200
Speaker 1: cleaning station. Yeah. And uh, I was talking with the

1894
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:30,320
Speaker 1: owner a little bit about us filming there and whatnot.

1895
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:33,360
Speaker 1: And he owns another restaurant up on the hill just

1896
01:52:33,479 --> 01:52:36,479
Speaker 1: a couple of blocks away, and they serve catfish there too,

1897
01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:39,479
Speaker 1: but they have on the menu they have pond catfish

1898
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:43,560
Speaker 1: and river catfish. And uh he told me that the

1899
01:52:44,240 --> 01:52:46,720
Speaker 1: river fish stays on the river. So if you want

1900
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:50,920
Speaker 1: to eat that actual river channel cat no flathead, you

1901
01:52:51,080 --> 01:52:53,600
Speaker 1: have to walk out onto his barts. You cannot and

1902
01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:55,880
Speaker 1: you cannot buy it, you know, two blocks away up

1903
01:52:55,960 --> 01:52:58,479
Speaker 1: on the hill, which is like, it's pretty cool. He

1904
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:01,120
Speaker 1: has the customers away, he was saying, So when he

1905
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:03,400
Speaker 1: turns him away, he sends him up to his other place.

1906
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:05,960
Speaker 1: But they gotta go get pond Keff. They gonna get

1907
01:53:05,960 --> 01:53:09,120
Speaker 1: aquaculture fish. They can't get river fish. Stays on the

1908
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:15,679
Speaker 1: river Elizabethtown in Illis, and there's a really nice house

1909
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:18,400
Speaker 1: on the river. For listen, Yanni called in on it.

1910
01:53:18,520 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 1: What do they want for that place? One or four quarter?

1911
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:24,120
Speaker 1: Bucking a quarter? Kevin thinks you'd get it for a hondo.

1912
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:28,560
Speaker 1: I'd be afraid out from a hundred for it. So

1913
01:53:28,640 --> 01:53:31,360
Speaker 1: it's because of water raising and stuff. No, I think

1914
01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:35,080
Speaker 1: they would sell it in a heartbeat for I'll do

1915
01:53:35,200 --> 01:53:40,280
Speaker 1: my concluding thoughts in Kevin and go one it I get.

1916
01:53:40,360 --> 01:53:42,559
Speaker 1: I'm just getting a little sick of this, like uh

1917
01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:46,519
Speaker 1: and nothing against you, Garrett, just like O GPS, Like

1918
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:49,200
Speaker 1: oh you know this kind of like I don't need GPS.

1919
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:53,920
Speaker 1: You know I'm a woodsman. It's like, are you. Here's

1920
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:55,280
Speaker 1: why I have a hard time with people who are

1921
01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:56,640
Speaker 1: saying that, and I know you're not saying that, but

1922
01:53:57,640 --> 01:54:01,639
Speaker 1: what is wrong within an enhanced understate ending of what's

1923
01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:05,559
Speaker 1: going on around you? We fished halibut in the place

1924
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:09,000
Speaker 1: um that you can look at charts and get like

1925
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:11,120
Speaker 1: a somewhat of an understanding. And I'll and I'll point out,

1926
01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:13,599
Speaker 1: at one point in time, charts were a damn sure

1927
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:20,040
Speaker 1: new fangled technology. Like Columbus wasn't sailing on good maps,

1928
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:22,320
Speaker 1: so he could have said, oh, you bullshitters now that

1929
01:54:22,439 --> 01:54:28,080
Speaker 1: use maps when I was a boy, why right? Okay?

1930
01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:30,479
Speaker 1: So then charts also, they had a way to sound

1931
01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:34,200
Speaker 1: depths electronically, and they drew up charts. Now people are like,

1932
01:54:34,640 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 1: I use charts, by god, I don't need a GPS.

1933
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:40,240
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, it's the same guy like I don't

1934
01:54:40,280 --> 01:54:43,160
Speaker 1: have a cell phone. I got my regular phone hook

1935
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:47,240
Speaker 1: to a wire. And a few times someone's like, you

1936
01:54:47,560 --> 01:54:50,560
Speaker 1: mother scratchers with these phones hooked to wires, us a

1937
01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:55,040
Speaker 1: blanket in it. It's like, so we fished halibut in

1938
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:57,640
Speaker 1: the spot. I never understood the spot. I never understood

1939
01:54:57,680 --> 01:54:58,960
Speaker 1: why I was there. You looking at a chart and

1940
01:54:59,120 --> 01:55:00,640
Speaker 1: you can't tell anything about what's going on. You get

1941
01:55:00,720 --> 01:55:03,280
Speaker 1: rough stands. It's like a high plateau. I got a

1942
01:55:03,320 --> 01:55:06,440
Speaker 1: GPS now in a sona on my boat. I'm like, oh,

1943
01:55:06,600 --> 01:55:12,960
Speaker 1: no ship. There's a big underwater mesa and it's really

1944
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:16,720
Speaker 1: good to fish in a saddle between that and another mesa.

1945
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:20,520
Speaker 1: I wonder why that is. That's so interesting that fish

1946
01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:22,040
Speaker 1: like to hang out there. I wonder if I could

1947
01:55:22,120 --> 01:55:25,800
Speaker 1: replicate this by going to other places and understand the

1948
01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:31,040
Speaker 1: mysterious ocean depths better. It's like I don't need no deeper.

1949
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:36,640
Speaker 1: My second thing is we're out running, we're out setting

1950
01:55:36,680 --> 01:55:38,600
Speaker 1: limb lines and down the river. I don't know who

1951
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:43,920
Speaker 1: spotted that thing. Down the river comes a paddlefishase in

1952
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:50,000
Speaker 1: your guy's boat. You know spotted it. Spotted it. Dirt, dirt, dirt,

1953
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:56,680
Speaker 1: crippled up paddlefish coming down the river to get hit

1954
01:55:56,720 --> 01:55:59,240
Speaker 1: by a boat prop clocked it in the head, cut

1955
01:55:59,280 --> 01:56:04,240
Speaker 1: off part of its gill cover down the river, like

1956
01:56:04,840 --> 01:56:07,920
Speaker 1: great shape other than a gash in his head. Jody

1957
01:56:07,960 --> 01:56:09,240
Speaker 1: tried to scoop it up in the net, and it

1958
01:56:09,280 --> 01:56:11,600
Speaker 1: scored it away from him. But I had my bow

1959
01:56:11,680 --> 01:56:14,480
Speaker 1: fishing rig and we just pulled up to it, and

1960
01:56:14,600 --> 01:56:16,320
Speaker 1: you could probably grab it if you kept that, you

1961
01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:18,040
Speaker 1: could have grabbed their net. We just put an arrow

1962
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:19,360
Speaker 1: into it in order to get up on the boat.

1963
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:22,839
Speaker 1: And it looked like it just happened. Wasn't. It wasn't infected.

1964
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:27,800
Speaker 1: The official's fat, perfect shiny health, but just had been

1965
01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:30,160
Speaker 1: dealt a deathblow by a boat prop, and so we

1966
01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:32,600
Speaker 1: were able to how much that the other twelve pound

1967
01:56:32,640 --> 01:56:37,360
Speaker 1: paddle fish. Yeah, so we staked that thing out and

1968
01:56:37,440 --> 01:56:40,320
Speaker 1: then we were out frogging art night and before it

1969
01:56:40,400 --> 01:56:44,280
Speaker 1: got dark, I think it was you saw a turtle

1970
01:56:44,320 --> 01:56:49,200
Speaker 1: head pop up. And it was funny because on our

1971
01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:51,480
Speaker 1: way in there, I had saw what I thought was

1972
01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:54,240
Speaker 1: a turtle head the night before, and I said, oh,

1973
01:56:54,440 --> 01:56:57,000
Speaker 1: is that a turtle And Kevin said, I thought that

1974
01:56:57,040 --> 01:57:00,880
Speaker 1: was a turtle last night. It's a stick. So we're

1975
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:02,840
Speaker 1: out there and all of sudden, Adams says it's a

1976
01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:06,080
Speaker 1: turtle head and I'm like, no, it's a stick. Because

1977
01:57:06,160 --> 01:57:08,280
Speaker 1: it was six inches away from where the stick was.

1978
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, we all thought that was a turtle too.

1979
01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:11,600
Speaker 1: Was a stick? Goes No, I saw come up and

1980
01:57:11,680 --> 01:57:14,040
Speaker 1: go away. I'm like, bullshit, it's a stick. I go

1981
01:57:14,160 --> 01:57:15,880
Speaker 1: over there and shine my light in the water. Big

1982
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:19,400
Speaker 1: old snapper land there underwater. So I grabbed my bowl

1983
01:57:20,040 --> 01:57:22,680
Speaker 1: fishing bow arrow and put a bow arrow into his

1984
01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:26,960
Speaker 1: shell and heat eighteen pounds every bit of that, every

1985
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:29,040
Speaker 1: bit of that. He was eighteen pounds. After we trimmed

1986
01:57:29,080 --> 01:57:31,800
Speaker 1: him up a little bit and then we dressed him

1987
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:34,560
Speaker 1: as Geordie would say Michigan, you might say we cleaned

1988
01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:36,920
Speaker 1: him yesterday. And so we got a bunch of turtle

1989
01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:39,560
Speaker 1: meat too. And down here you're allowed to You can't

1990
01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:42,200
Speaker 1: trap turtles and conventional turtle traps, but you can take

1991
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:47,200
Speaker 1: turtles any method that you can use to take rough fish.

1992
01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:49,840
Speaker 1: So you can set line, jug line, trot line, limb

1993
01:57:49,880 --> 01:57:53,160
Speaker 1: line for turtles, no limit. And with paddle fish was

1994
01:57:53,160 --> 01:57:57,360
Speaker 1: a paddlefish season for conventional tackle. But a bow fisherman,

1995
01:57:57,400 --> 01:58:00,320
Speaker 1: if you're using a bow you're allowed too pad fish.

1996
01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:03,720
Speaker 1: And you can use a turtle trap a kilt trap

1997
01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:06,240
Speaker 1: where they come up, but I've never I don't know

1998
01:58:06,320 --> 01:58:08,120
Speaker 1: how you would catch a snapping turtle in because I've

1999
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:09,640
Speaker 1: never seen one on the long No, they don't climb

2000
01:58:09,720 --> 01:58:12,240
Speaker 1: up the sun. So well, you can you can hook

2001
01:58:12,280 --> 01:58:16,480
Speaker 1: and line, you can gig which you can spear, bowfish,

2002
01:58:17,240 --> 01:58:19,080
Speaker 1: turtles and um when I was a kid, we would

2003
01:58:19,160 --> 01:58:22,640
Speaker 1: You couldn't do any of that. However, you can turtle trap,

2004
01:58:22,920 --> 01:58:26,280
Speaker 1: and we used to use funnel traps or cage traps.

2005
01:58:26,640 --> 01:58:29,040
Speaker 1: Concluding thoughts, Kevin, wait, could you tell them real quick

2006
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:31,440
Speaker 1: about when we got on the land looking for frogs

2007
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:35,720
Speaker 1: after you bowe the snapper. It was harder than dolls

2008
01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:41,720
Speaker 1: sheep hunting. When people ask the ill say, when people

2009
01:58:41,720 --> 01:58:43,240
Speaker 1: ask me, now, like, what's the hardest hunt? You better

2010
01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:50,920
Speaker 1: hunting bullfrogs and Kevin's marsh. And then we probably wouldn't

2011
01:58:50,920 --> 01:58:52,760
Speaker 1: even have gone. If I showed him a snake poster

2012
01:58:52,880 --> 01:58:55,280
Speaker 1: that it gave him last night, and I got one

2013
01:58:55,320 --> 01:58:58,760
Speaker 1: of those by a giant water bug. I'm assuming I'm

2014
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:01,720
Speaker 1: my ankle, which for about thirty seconds hurt like holy

2015
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:04,640
Speaker 1: hell if they pinch it. I got pinched by a

2016
01:59:04,720 --> 01:59:07,640
Speaker 1: water bugs, Steve, and they just got bit. That's something

2017
01:59:07,680 --> 01:59:10,280
Speaker 1: everyone kind have got. Bit was a snake. I'm going

2018
01:59:10,360 --> 01:59:13,600
Speaker 1: through my hard draft trying to figure out and I

2019
01:59:13,720 --> 01:59:17,080
Speaker 1: was saying, giant water bug, that's it's an Amazonian bug

2020
01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:18,880
Speaker 1: feature there. It looks like it come right out of

2021
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:21,560
Speaker 1: Amazoni River. But when I first got hit, I thought

2022
01:59:21,560 --> 01:59:23,920
Speaker 1: I got hit by a snake. It was that like

2023
01:59:24,040 --> 01:59:26,600
Speaker 1: it was that intense. It was like that sudden intent

2024
01:59:26,680 --> 01:59:29,960
Speaker 1: didn't last at all, But it was like the resund

2025
01:59:30,040 --> 01:59:33,520
Speaker 1: grabbed you. The pair of needle nose players on your legs. Well,

2026
01:59:33,600 --> 01:59:36,760
Speaker 1: it was like number four on the byte index. Right, Yeah,

2027
01:59:36,760 --> 01:59:38,440
Speaker 1: it's got a high. Yeah, it's got a high on

2028
01:59:38,520 --> 01:59:40,960
Speaker 1: the on the Schmidt pain indexes. I think does it

2029
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:43,840
Speaker 1: score high the Smith Pain index? I don't know. It

2030
01:59:43,960 --> 01:59:46,520
Speaker 1: was pitch black. Yeah, all he knows. The guy in

2031
01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:48,800
Speaker 1: front of me goes, oh, something's been me. It's black

2032
01:59:49,560 --> 01:59:52,320
Speaker 1: and I'm standing in like three water ago. What do

2033
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:55,400
Speaker 1: we wanted? The want? But here the bullfrogs this area

2034
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:57,280
Speaker 1: were tricky because they all were in the heavy cover.

2035
01:59:58,600 --> 02:00:01,200
Speaker 1: They're all in overhead to cover. So you got this

2036
02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:04,880
Speaker 1: giant marsh and there's no all the bullfrog calls. You

2037
02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:07,560
Speaker 1: think like, oh the marshall bullfrogs throw on the edge

2038
02:00:08,280 --> 02:00:12,360
Speaker 1: and the nastiest, thickest willows and ship with a lot

2039
02:00:12,440 --> 02:00:15,400
Speaker 1: of overhead covered tucked under little things, and and it's

2040
02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:17,120
Speaker 1: so thick you can't see anything. You can't see the

2041
02:00:17,200 --> 02:00:20,080
Speaker 1: end of the spear. So all you hear is that

2042
02:00:20,160 --> 02:00:22,840
Speaker 1: you're going toward a bullfrog in tonight boom boom when

2043
02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:24,880
Speaker 1: he's going off, and the only thing he hears him

2044
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:27,360
Speaker 1: spook you know the whole What was going through my

2045
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:30,160
Speaker 1: mind the whole time, and said, how's this gonna look

2046
02:00:30,640 --> 02:00:33,440
Speaker 1: on camera? When I jabb Stephen asked with this, this

2047
02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:37,640
Speaker 1: is this game? I said, maybe won't get into too deep.

2048
02:00:39,040 --> 02:00:40,840
Speaker 1: But that was pretty much of a trick too, is

2049
02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:44,200
Speaker 1: having that that gig toil foot gig. And then then

2050
02:00:44,520 --> 02:00:47,080
Speaker 1: the tallest camera man was right behind me and I

2051
02:00:47,160 --> 02:00:49,080
Speaker 1: was bopping him in the head all the time, so

2052
02:00:49,160 --> 02:00:52,120
Speaker 1: I had steve. I couldn't couldn't manipulate it there. So

2053
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:55,720
Speaker 1: it was the water too coming towards us that was

2054
02:00:55,840 --> 02:01:00,440
Speaker 1: never identified or not or something or not or down there.

2055
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:06,920
Speaker 1: But godmu so big, can't even be quiet anymore. These breaks.

2056
02:01:07,320 --> 02:01:12,120
Speaker 1: That's a cod mouth that breaks. You know. We waited

2057
02:01:12,240 --> 02:01:16,000
Speaker 1: through there all night. We didn't see one water snake,

2058
02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, which I thought we would have seen some

2059
02:01:18,240 --> 02:01:23,680
Speaker 1: water snakes in there. And I had zero bug repellent. None.

2060
02:01:23,960 --> 02:01:27,600
Speaker 1: I heard a few mosquitoes kind of buzz my um

2061
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:31,960
Speaker 1: ears and stuff, but no swarm. I think you'll wore

2062
02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:35,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of bug repellent. And did anybody really

2063
02:01:35,040 --> 02:01:38,160
Speaker 1: get mosquito? Be you you try to sell this place,

2064
02:01:40,720 --> 02:01:47,440
Speaker 1: I'm selling pleasant area, but the misconceptions of a swamp.

2065
02:01:47,960 --> 02:01:50,560
Speaker 1: You know, when you when you've got a ecosystem that's

2066
02:01:50,560 --> 02:01:53,880
Speaker 1: in balance, everything is pretty much taking care of itself,

2067
02:01:54,240 --> 02:01:56,680
Speaker 1: the fish and the frogs. You know, we saw lots

2068
02:01:56,720 --> 02:01:59,920
Speaker 1: of small baked fish swimming around. They keep the mosquito

2069
02:02:00,520 --> 02:02:05,080
Speaker 1: in check down there. It's not not bad. Now. We

2070
02:02:05,200 --> 02:02:08,680
Speaker 1: had all kinds of small frogs, green tree frog, the

2071
02:02:08,760 --> 02:02:12,560
Speaker 1: bird voice frog, and um, you know, it's just one

2072
02:02:12,600 --> 02:02:15,680
Speaker 1: of those places is just very unique. It's a nice

2073
02:02:15,680 --> 02:02:19,040
Speaker 1: little path. Definitely, when those frogs get gone, it's like

2074
02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:23,000
Speaker 1: loud like the it's loud like the jungle jungle. Yeah, definitely.

2075
02:02:23,520 --> 02:02:26,680
Speaker 1: My full moon calculation was off about by fifteen minutes

2076
02:02:26,760 --> 02:02:28,880
Speaker 1: or so. But when the full moon did get up,

2077
02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:31,200
Speaker 1: then the whole course started. You know, the host swamp

2078
02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:36,160
Speaker 1: became alive, howls in the background, all the frogs, insects,

2079
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:39,760
Speaker 1: you know. So it's a very special place. So Ken

2080
02:02:39,920 --> 02:02:42,800
Speaker 1: concluding thoughts, Well, when you boys come to town, it's

2081
02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:47,240
Speaker 1: like hunting fishing boot camp. I go back. I feel

2082
02:02:47,320 --> 02:02:49,200
Speaker 1: like I'm you know, you say twelve years old, but

2083
02:02:49,280 --> 02:02:51,360
Speaker 1: I didn't have my driver's last so I'm saying sixteen,

2084
02:02:51,720 --> 02:02:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, out prowling around doing what I want to do,

2085
02:02:54,120 --> 02:02:57,000
Speaker 1: you know. And that's why I spent almost thirty years

2086
02:02:57,000 --> 02:02:59,400
Speaker 1: in utility business. I had the opportunity to retire early,

2087
02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:03,080
Speaker 1: and I'm still very fit and can get out and

2088
02:03:03,240 --> 02:03:06,840
Speaker 1: prowl around with you guys, and I enjoy y'all coming down.

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Speaker 1: And it's just like a new adventure, you know. I

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Speaker 1: just the way I was always raised. I always wanted

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Speaker 1: to go up this creek, down this river, whatever. And

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Speaker 1: UH like showing you guys around, showing you different hunting techniques.

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Speaker 1: We eat good, cook good food. You know, there's lots

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Speaker 1: of really good sportsmen out there that's more than killing.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, they liked being outdoors to see what

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Speaker 1: goes on. So it's a pleasure when you guys rolled

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Speaker 1: into town. Well thanks for having us. Yeah, there you

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Speaker 1: having the great Kevin Murphy. Thank you, Kevin. You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Take care,