WEBVTT - Impending Doomsday: Spider-Man

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<v Speaker 1>Warning.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's episode canad It spoilers for.

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<v Speaker 1>Ten Spider Man movies, Wild and various other MCU properties. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>my name is Jason Sims and I'm Rosie Knife, and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to the extra division of the podcast where

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<v Speaker 1>we dive with your favorite shows, movies, coments, and pop culture.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming from my r where we're ringing you three episodes three.

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<v Speaker 3>But today we are counting down the days to.

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<v Speaker 1>Return of the Avengers with.

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<v Speaker 4>Another episode of our impending Doomsday series. Today we are

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<v Speaker 4>focusing on everyone's favorite wool crawler and Marvels perennial number

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<v Speaker 4>one character, Spider Man.

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<v Speaker 3>Spider Man, a man does whatever spied it can.

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<v Speaker 4>We're gonna look at the history of the Spider Man

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<v Speaker 4>with the iconic Jason recap of the different movie iterations

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<v Speaker 4>of Spider Man as we know them, then we will

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<v Speaker 4>have them.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna be having an.

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<v Speaker 4>MCU debate joined by Ian and Aaron to talk about

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<v Speaker 4>the biggest Spider Man questions, and of course we'll be

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<v Speaker 4>looking ahead to brand new day Doomsday and Secret Wars.

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<v Speaker 1>Right we start in two thousand and two with Spider

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<v Speaker 1>Man directed by Sam Raimi Oh, screenplay by David Coke.

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<v Speaker 3>Game changer.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember the first time you saw that in the cinema,

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<v Speaker 1>I was blown away and I loved it so much.

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<v Speaker 1>This is, of course Toby Maguire Spider Man. We opened

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<v Speaker 1>in Queen's. Peter Parker, mild mannered high school senior lives

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<v Speaker 1>with old old sexy.

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<v Speaker 2>No, this is pre this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Very very old Aunt May, very very wise old Uncle Ben.

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<v Speaker 1>He is in love with the girl next door, Mary Jane.

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<v Speaker 1>He gets bitten by a radioactive spider at a trip

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<v Speaker 1>to the Columbia Genetics Lab, and you know what happens next?

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<v Speaker 1>He gets really strong, he can climb walls. He goes

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<v Speaker 1>to test his powers in an underground wrestling match, fights

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<v Speaker 1>a guy. But what happens next, Rosie tragically, tragically, he

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<v Speaker 1>fails to stop a robber who robs the wrestling match

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<v Speaker 1>of cash because the wrestling from a stole from Peta.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was like, not my problem, it's not my business,

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<v Speaker 1>none of my business.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, guess what that guy shoots Uncle Ben. Uncle Ben

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<v Speaker 1>dies in pear. Can I just say? Can I just say? He?

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, that's what we know.

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<v Speaker 3>To be true.

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<v Speaker 4>But as we learn, in spite of about three at.

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<v Speaker 1>This point, this is what we really so Peter then

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<v Speaker 1>comes to recognize that with great power becomes great responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>and he gets the suit.

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<v Speaker 2>He puts it on.

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<v Speaker 1>Norman Osborne is his best friend. Is his best friend,

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<v Speaker 1>Harry's dad, Harry Osbourne, Peter's friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Norman.

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<v Speaker 1>Norman takes an unstable supercilsier serum and turns into the

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<v Speaker 1>Green Goblin and tries to kill Peter, but they fight

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<v Speaker 1>and he gets impaled on his own glider and dies.

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<v Speaker 1>But Harry, Peter's friend, blames Peter and Spider Man and

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<v Speaker 1>al Harry is going to become a problem. Atto Octavius,

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<v Speaker 1>brilliant scientist, fuses for autonomous mechanical arms to his final

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<v Speaker 1>column in a in a bizarre fusion experiment, and he

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<v Speaker 1>becomes evil and kind of like even more brilliant than

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<v Speaker 1>he was.

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<v Speaker 4>Because they possess him right, They kind of become a

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<v Speaker 4>symbiotic they add.

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<v Speaker 1>To his brain power or something, but still is there's

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<v Speaker 1>some goodness in him. Peter thinks that and tries to

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<v Speaker 1>like talk him into returning to being a good guy.

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<v Speaker 1>They fight all across the city. It goes badly kind

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<v Speaker 1>of for Peter, but Peter is always believing that Otto

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<v Speaker 1>can become a good guy again, and then to save

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<v Speaker 1>the city, Auto drowns himself. Crazy Peter starts dating MJ

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<v Speaker 1>and things are pretty good. Then Flint Marco escaped convict,

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<v Speaker 1>falls into a particle accelerator and becomes the Sandman. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously that's what happened. Turns out guess what, oh my

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<v Speaker 1>he was shot, I'll gole bed.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The original Robert Dennis Karridine was just like the Batman.

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<v Speaker 1>His buddy I got and why did he do it?

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<v Speaker 4>Is because his door was sick and the only way

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<v Speaker 4>to get the money was to shoot Uncle Ben and

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<v Speaker 4>awesothing sad times.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, while this is happening, an alien symbiote has crashed

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<v Speaker 1>oh on a meteor and it finds peerre In. It

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<v Speaker 1>bonds with him, and it turns him into an asshole

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<v Speaker 1>just like in Superman three, and he.

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<v Speaker 2>Becomes a dick.

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<v Speaker 1>He dances down the street, but eventually he finds like

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<v Speaker 1>the internal moral fire to reject the symbio. The symbiote finds.

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<v Speaker 4>Any barrisses Mary Jane doing EMBARRASSADM terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>The symbiote finds Eddie Brocken. They become they become Venom,

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<v Speaker 1>Tarifa Grey's crazy costing Crazy Harry is now the Goblin

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<v Speaker 1>in the Next Goblin, and he dies saving Peter in

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<v Speaker 1>the final fight. Peter mj end up together and that's

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the trilogy until many many many years

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<v Speaker 1>later in the MCU we go to the Amazing Spider Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Any any final thoughts about the I just.

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<v Speaker 3>Want to say they got so much, so much happened

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<v Speaker 3>in this.

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<v Speaker 4>I also want to say us the tradition of X Men,

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<v Speaker 4>where the second one is the like generally seen as

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<v Speaker 4>the best one, right like the you Took It, which

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<v Speaker 4>is very sam Raimi third one actually really fun.

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<v Speaker 3>I still rewatch it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's total trash, has the most like memeable moments. But

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<v Speaker 4>you can tell how much Sam Raimi hates Venom and

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<v Speaker 4>did not want to include him in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Movie did so you can really feel it.

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<v Speaker 4>But I mean, just an incredible run and hard to

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<v Speaker 4>explain to those of you who weren't even born in

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<v Speaker 4>two thousand and two, and I know there's many of

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<v Speaker 4>you listening. I love many people who weren't born in two.

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<v Speaker 1>Thousand and two, Like.

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<v Speaker 4>This was a cultural phenomenon, Like we came out of

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<v Speaker 4>that first movie and we were like, oh shit, they

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<v Speaker 4>could make twenty five of these and we would watch

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<v Speaker 4>them every single month, Like it felt like a comic

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<v Speaker 4>book comes.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to life.

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<v Speaker 1>The first It's hard to explain to people who weren't there,

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<v Speaker 1>what a cultural moment The Spider Man Mary Jane Kiss

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<v Speaker 1>was where she were She's upside down and she like

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<v Speaker 1>pulls the mask up. That was like, we have not

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually like a steamy moment that comic books have

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<v Speaker 1>not touched.

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<v Speaker 4>Again, but movies have not managed to do it, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like you need to get back there.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to get back there, like and you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know the legendary wet t shirt with the hard nipples

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<v Speaker 4>and the upside down kiss, like the MCU will Kevin

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<v Speaker 4>fight you us at a dro De house if you

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<v Speaker 4>do that.

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<v Speaker 1>But we need to change that. We need to let

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<v Speaker 1>be sexy.

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<v Speaker 2>Let be sexy. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Up next The Amazing Spider Man well late okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>ten years off right, directed by but only like what

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<v Speaker 1>would only like three three years off? End of the

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<v Speaker 1>Lost Right directed by wink wink Mark Webb. I Thought

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<v Speaker 1>Fame a screenplay by James Vanderbilt Alan sergeant and Steve Close,

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<v Speaker 1>different universe, different Peter. His parents, younger Richard and Mary Parker,

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<v Speaker 1>are both scientists working on top secret, oh weird corporate

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<v Speaker 1>potentially defense department type of stuff, and they disappeared when

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<v Speaker 1>he was a kid under mysterious circumstances.

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<v Speaker 4>Crazy that they chose that origin for the parents the spy.

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<v Speaker 1>I always love that. I always it's.

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<v Speaker 4>So crazy, and I always there's a lot of just

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<v Speaker 4>odd choices they make in the amazing movies that I

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<v Speaker 4>think actually age like.

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<v Speaker 1>Me too.

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<v Speaker 3>And I also love that he's like Emo Pete A. Parka.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like cool, he's.

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<v Speaker 4>An inventor, he's a skateboarder, he's like sassy.

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<v Speaker 3>He listens to like indie.

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<v Speaker 1>Rock, so he is cooler. He's dumped of course with

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<v Speaker 1>Aunt May and Uncle Ben. He's he's just kind of like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a fallout boy, my chemical romance type of guy, skateboarding, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 1>He sneaks into Oscorp on a forged I D to

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<v Speaker 1>investigate what happened to his parents. A spider bites him,

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<v Speaker 1>same old thing. He turns the web this time, though,

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<v Speaker 1>builds his own web shooters in the in the bedroom

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<v Speaker 1>because he's a brilliant engineer. Uncle Ben dies the exact

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<v Speaker 1>same way. Peter lets the thief go, the thief shoots Ben, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 1>He falls in love with Gwen Stacy this time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I want to put my annoying ass like leftist

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<v Speaker 4>take on this that I think there's always a problem

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<v Speaker 4>with Uncle Ben.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do they always.

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<v Speaker 4>Lean into this ideas or if you let a criminal go,

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<v Speaker 4>they're gonna murder someone. It's like such a stupid plot line,

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<v Speaker 4>But I also get why they do it. I feel

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<v Speaker 4>like that's what I love about the MCU want And

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<v Speaker 4>actually I believe recently Jon Favreau or Kevin Feige actually

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<v Speaker 4>confirmed this. In the MCU universe, Peter is not to

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<v Speaker 4>blame for Uncle Ben's death, and I actually really like,

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<v Speaker 4>of course, but like.

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<v Speaker 3>He's gonna take it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's gonna he's gonna take he's gonna take it. Personally, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Peter's gonna take it. Peter's gonna believe that he's responsible

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<v Speaker 1>because that's yeah exactly. He falls in love with Gwen

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy Emma Stone, who they ended up being in a

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<v Speaker 1>relation in real.

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<v Speaker 3>Life, and the chemistry was crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>It was it was crazy because they realized coming into

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<v Speaker 1>this series that you need that, yes, exactly, Peter Parker's

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<v Speaker 1>love interest. There's gotta be that you can't.

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<v Speaker 4>Also, let's see this happened as well with you know,

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<v Speaker 4>obviously Tom and Zendea movie. It's it's one of those

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<v Speaker 4>like iconic OTP like endgame ships, right. I have to

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<v Speaker 4>say I also find it so funny that they cost

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<v Speaker 4>someone who was one of the most famous redheads in

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<v Speaker 4>the world at this point, Emma Stone, and they cost her,

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<v Speaker 4>and they and they made her a blonde character instead of.

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<v Speaker 1>Making her MJ me too.

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<v Speaker 4>I love it because they also do it a lot

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<v Speaker 4>in comic book movies. This is like a big thing,

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<v Speaker 4>this kind of inversion of like what people are expecting.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's smart for I think it was smart

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<v Speaker 1>for Emmastone's career. She had had like an eat your

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<v Speaker 1>run as a redhead you gotta switch.

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<v Speaker 4>And she's naturally blonde too, so it was actually kind

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<v Speaker 4>of like a return.

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<v Speaker 3>But I loved that.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that the she brings such a humor and

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<v Speaker 4>like silliness, but also like an emotional maturity.

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<v Speaker 3>It's such a.

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<v Speaker 4>More complex and layered representation of Peter Parker's girlfriend than

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<v Speaker 4>we got in the original Spider Man movies the Toby

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<v Speaker 4>Maguire wants.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's not to be negative.

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<v Speaker 4>I think both Peter and MJ and those are kind

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<v Speaker 4>of flat characters because it's very like old school comic

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<v Speaker 4>book It's like do your thing. This is a lot

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<v Speaker 4>more engaged with the emotional trauma of trying to have

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<v Speaker 4>a double life, which is such a big part of

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<v Speaker 4>Spider Man, and I think that's why this one still hits.

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<v Speaker 1>Kurt Connors, his Peter's father's former colleague, injects himself with

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<v Speaker 1>a reptile DNA because he's missing an army's trying to

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<v Speaker 1>regrow it back, and lizards famously can regrow their limbs.

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<v Speaker 1>He becomes the lizard, which is kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in lizard form. He is still kind of smart, but

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<v Speaker 1>a much more evil version of himself.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like a sick humanoid, like if kill a crook

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<v Speaker 4>was also a super smart scientist, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a Jecculine Heights situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, good way of putting it.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter beats him Captain Stacy Gwen. Stacy's police officer dad

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<v Speaker 1>dies in the fight and makes Peter promise to stay

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<v Speaker 1>away from going to keep her safe. Peter breaks the

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<v Speaker 1>promise because he loves that Gwen, Stacy, Max, Dylan and

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<v Speaker 1>Oscorpe electrical engineer falls into a tank of mutated eels

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<v Speaker 1>and becomes electro.

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<v Speaker 2>Harry Osborne, dying of.

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<v Speaker 1>A genetic disease, injects himself with super Soldier spider venom

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<v Speaker 1>and becomes the Green Goblin. There's a final fight in

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<v Speaker 1>the clock tower. Harry drops Gwen and has to make

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<v Speaker 1>a big choice. He shoots a web to catch her,

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<v Speaker 1>but the sudden stop snaps her neck as it catches her,

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<v Speaker 1>and she dies in his arms.

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<v Speaker 4>Gives us one of the funniest moments from any superhero movie,

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<v Speaker 4>which is when he shoots the web and it becomes

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<v Speaker 4>a hand trying to grab her, which is like just

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<v Speaker 4>so bad. I also want to say I criticize Peter

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<v Speaker 4>about this in every version. I need to do it

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<v Speaker 4>again here because my biggest issue, just cininically narratively with

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<v Speaker 4>this choice is this man is constantly just like creating

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<v Speaker 4>a spiderweb trampoline underneath people. Why didn't he do it

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<v Speaker 4>in that moment, Like why did he catch her and

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<v Speaker 4>break the net?

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<v Speaker 1>There was only moments. Yeah, but yes, I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>He could have done other things, but there was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there was he was he had to do two things.

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<v Speaker 1>He was multitasking. He was multitasking. He's a teenage boy.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. We go to yes, of course.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just gonna say one of my other big

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<v Speaker 4>takeaways from because you know me, I rewatch all these

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<v Speaker 4>movies a lot. I rewatch every movie a lot. I

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<v Speaker 4>actually am always really impressed and unsettled. It's not something

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<v Speaker 4>I particularly enjoy. The opening of Amazing Spider Man two,

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<v Speaker 4>where they set up Electro is like so consistently heartbreaking

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<v Speaker 4>because Jamie Fox does such a good job kind of

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<v Speaker 4>creating this like Lona outside a character, and when he

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<v Speaker 4>meets Spider Man and Spider Man like doesn't remember him

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<v Speaker 4>and sees him as a villain.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so much heartbreak.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not fun for me to watch because I find

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<v Speaker 4>myself feeling quite upset. But I do think they really

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<v Speaker 4>created like a much more complicated and sad version of

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<v Speaker 4>like a very out there, silly character, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>nice to see him get to be a bit more

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<v Speaker 4>cool and kind of classical Electro when they did bring

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<v Speaker 4>them all back, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Captain America Civil War twenty sixteen, the Russo brothers. Tony

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<v Speaker 1>flies to Queens to pick up sophomore in high school,

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen year old Peter Parker, who.

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<v Speaker 2>Has been Spider Man for a little while. Uncle Man

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<v Speaker 2>is dead.

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<v Speaker 1>It may is hot. He has a crush on MJ

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<v Speaker 1>and he idolizes Tony Stark because they're both really into science.

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<v Speaker 1>And Peter is a brilliant scientist, but up and coming scientist,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course Tony Stark is already a scientist. This

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<v Speaker 1>is in the wake of the destruction of at the

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<v Speaker 1>in the kind of climax of Avengers age of Ultron.

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<v Speaker 1>Captain America and his dissonant superheroes are on the run,

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<v Speaker 1>and so Tony needs allies.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes to New York. He gets Peter.

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<v Speaker 1>They fight in the airport at Germany.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter does okay, but.

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<v Speaker 1>And you've got to get fourteen year old well, he's

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<v Speaker 1>really good at what he does, and and Peter Peter

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<v Speaker 1>does okay against the grown up Avengers, but ultimately Cap

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<v Speaker 1>gets away and we go to Spider Man homecoming. Peter's

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<v Speaker 1>back in Queens. He wants to be an Avenger Tony

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<v Speaker 1>won't let him be an Avenger. Adrian Toombs salvage contractor,

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<v Speaker 1>builds a flying suit out of the Chatari scrap technology

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<v Speaker 1>that he's been finding after the Battle of New York

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<v Speaker 1>and selling to various underworld groups. He becomes the Vulture.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been selling alien tech and stuff on the black market.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter investigates. Turns Toombs is the dad of his crush,

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth gets buried under a building during the fight classic

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<v Speaker 1>Steve ditko Art. He lifts it off himself. He becomes

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<v Speaker 1>Spider Man. He stops Adrian Tooms. Tony offers Peter a

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<v Speaker 1>spot on the Avengers, like basically as a publicity stunt.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter says no, Tony's proud of him. Peter goes home

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<v Speaker 1>and aunt May finds him in the suit. They go

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<v Speaker 1>to the Fuck Yeah, We go to Infinity War. Peters

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<v Speaker 1>on the bus going to school. He's probably fourteen fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>at this point. He sees the spaceship over Manhattan. He

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<v Speaker 1>goes to figure out what's going on. He swings into

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<v Speaker 1>the fight. Tony tries to send him home. Peter sneaks

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<v Speaker 1>into the air to the spacecraft as it is lifting off,

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<v Speaker 1>and they end up on Titan with Doctor Strange and

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<v Speaker 1>the Guardians of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Galaxy post Iron Man. They fight Thanos.

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<v Speaker 1>They almost win, except so much much win, but Peter

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<v Speaker 1>quill Like gets it and his feelings and he ruins

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<v Speaker 1>it and and Thanos beats them. Go to endgame. Peter

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<v Speaker 1>has been snapped for five years. He's brought back by

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<v Speaker 1>the Avengers after the time heist. The big fight at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the movie, Thanos gets beaten. Peter has

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<v Speaker 1>some really wonderful moments where he's swinging around with the

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<v Speaker 1>Infinity Gauntlet across the battlefield. We get to see his

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<v Speaker 1>new scarlet Spider suit going to kill mode. But at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of it, his mentor and hero in life,

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Stark, kills himself to snap with the Infinity Gauntlet

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<v Speaker 1>and kill Thanos and put everything you know right in

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<v Speaker 1>the world and destroy the Stones, and Peter goes to

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<v Speaker 1>the funeral Spider Man. Far from home, Peter's grieving the

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<v Speaker 1>loss of his mentor. He goes to a school trip

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<v Speaker 1>to Europe because he wants to cross. He tells MJ

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<v Speaker 1>that he's a crusher. Quentin Beck, a disaffected Stark Industries

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<v Speaker 1>employee with a chip on his Shoulder uses illusion tech

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<v Speaker 1>to fake himself into being this like alien hero from

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<v Speaker 1>an alternate dimension named Mysterio.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Deep faking things that will happen eventually in the Marvel universe.

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Fury recruits Peter to do something about this. Peter trusts,

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<v Speaker 1>Peter trusts Beck kind of he gives.

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<v Speaker 3>To He's wait a minute, maybe this guy knows what

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<v Speaker 3>he's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we need an avenger, maybe we need a new

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<v Speaker 1>Tony gives Tony's posthumous gift a pair of glasses called

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<v Speaker 1>Edith with ai access to start Global Servilles weapons talk.

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<v Speaker 4>Why did you give a teenage new clear ways, he's

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<v Speaker 4>not teenager. Give it to your wife, give it to

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<v Speaker 4>Gwyneth Paltrow, your fucking idia.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a child. He's very strange to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>We the gloss and he's sag off like bombs in

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<v Speaker 4>fucking Italy, causing some fucking international incidents.

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<v Speaker 2>He's calling in drone strikes from the bus. Mysterio.

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<v Speaker 1>However, we all know he's a villain. He uses Edith

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<v Speaker 1>to fake an attack on London. Peter takes him down.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some really cool maybe the coolest, like Spider Man,

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<v Speaker 1>a spidy sense moment here Beck is an illusion and

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<v Speaker 1>acts like he's beaten, but really the real Beck is

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<v Speaker 1>invisible and is about to shoot Spider Man in the head,

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<v Speaker 1>but he realizes it and flinches. It's so cool and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a blink if you blink and you'll miss it moment.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's maybe the best Spidy sense moment in

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<v Speaker 1>the That and the Toby Maguire the car flying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter takes down Mysterio, gets Edith back, kisses everything on

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<v Speaker 1>the bridge. Mysterio in the post credits, releases a doctored

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<v Speaker 1>video framing Peter for his murder and outing his secret

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<v Speaker 1>idea any of the World. J Jonah Jamison gets an

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<v Speaker 1>erection that like bursts through the fucking side of the

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<v Speaker 1>skyscraper of the you know, the Daily Bugle Building, and

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<v Speaker 1>we go into No Way Home. Peter's life is a

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<v Speaker 1>mess in No Way Home. Everybody else, Spider Man, MJ

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<v Speaker 1>and Ned can't get into MI I T because they're

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<v Speaker 1>associated with this mass vigilante. Peter goes to doctor Strange

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<v Speaker 1>and is like, you're a magician. We've worked together closely.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you do some ship where like everybody doesn't know

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<v Speaker 1>I'm strangers like, m that's a very powerful spell you're describing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very interesting. That's very dangerous. We shouldn't do it,

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<v Speaker 1>but like I'll do it anyway. But yeah, he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of fun. So maybe it's kind of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never done.

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<v Speaker 1>Something like this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter keeps interrupting and fucking it up because hold on

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<v Speaker 1>my memory, but MJ remembering because I'm trying to I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to fuck and also Ned, my best red, Ned

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<v Speaker 1>should like remember and Strange like loses focus and he

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<v Speaker 1>loses control of the spell and the spelled us in

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<v Speaker 1>a race every Peter Parker. It pulls in every Peter

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<v Speaker 1>Parker from the various dimensions, entered, Tomy Maguire, enter Andrew Garfield,

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<v Speaker 1>still handsome, oh still, but who also comes?

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<v Speaker 2>It's the villains.

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<v Speaker 1>Norman Osbourne is pulled in from the Spider Man movies

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<v Speaker 1>just before his death. Auto Octavius is also pulled in

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<v Speaker 1>from Spidey two, still with the Arms. Max Dylan Electro

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<v Speaker 1>is pulled in from Amazing Spider Man two, and Connor's

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<v Speaker 1>Lizard is pulled in from Amazing Spider and one. Flint

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<v Speaker 1>Marco the Sandman is pulled in from Spider Man. Now

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<v Speaker 1>Peter with m J and Ned decide he can't just

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<v Speaker 1>send them back to their deaths. Okay, I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that he's going to help them. He's going

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<v Speaker 1>to cure them, such a piece off from all the

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<v Speaker 1>bad things that are happening to them. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he truly a heroic moment. He's doing things the hard way,

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<v Speaker 1>which you have to love about. Peter, MG and Ned,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find Peter, accidentally open a portal with Stranger's

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<v Speaker 1>sling ring through it. Walks Andrew Garfield. Andrew Garfield, amazing

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<v Speaker 1>Spider and Peter. A minute later, Toby Maguire, Peter come in.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there's three Spider Men there, all looking at each other,

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<v Speaker 1>at each other. They work together, They finish the cures together.

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<v Speaker 1>They lure the villains to the Statue of Liberty. They

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<v Speaker 1>fix Norman, they fix Auto, they fix Matt, they fix Kurt,

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<v Speaker 1>they fix Flint. They send them home as the men

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<v Speaker 1>they were before their powers, and to live.

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<v Speaker 2>A normal life. But in the middle of the fight, Norman,

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<v Speaker 2>who has been.

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<v Speaker 4>He's been getting green Goblin inside his skull.

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<v Speaker 1>The green gobblin mask has been speaking to him still,

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<v Speaker 1>and he knocks MJ off the scaffolding. She falls, Tom

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<v Speaker 1>holland Peter is pinned. Andrew Garfield Peter the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>failed to save when catches her, thus closing that loop

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<v Speaker 1>in the line. He cries, He's it's a huge emotional

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<v Speaker 1>moment for him. But the multiverse is still getting fucked up.

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<v Speaker 1>We're seeing an early version of you know, this collapse

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<v Speaker 1>of the multiverse. Strange can't hold the thing together. The

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<v Speaker 1>only fixes a much bigger spell which will make everyone everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>at every universe forget that Peter Parker was a guy.

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<v Speaker 1>And Peter's like, fine, do it, because we have to

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<v Speaker 1>save the multiverse. He says goodbye to MJ and queens

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, I'll promise I'll come back for you

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<v Speaker 1>and all this and it hits and it works, and

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<v Speaker 1>that leads us into brand new day and catch us up.

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<v Speaker 1>The beautiful Aunt May, gorgeous Aunt.

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<v Speaker 4>May, she's gone who by the way in in the

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<v Speaker 4>Lost movie and knowing him, she says the real line

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<v Speaker 4>from the comics, which is not with great power comes

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<v Speaker 4>great responsibility, And she says it correctly, And I love

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<v Speaker 4>Marsa Toome and rip to sexy on We Miss You,

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<v Speaker 4>Bring how Back?

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<v Speaker 1>She's gone. She's gone but not forgotten. MJ along with everybody, Ned, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>Have no idea who the fuck Peter is. They've never

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<v Speaker 1>seen who's this guy? He's gone happy, none of the adventures.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody knows who he is. He's gone, apparently, according to Trailers,

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<v Speaker 1>living a very kind of like marginal existence, like barely

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<v Speaker 1>paying rent, new suit, no nano tech, just cloth suit

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<v Speaker 1>and Peter Parker the classic Spider Man set up. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a break when we're back to.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about Spider Man. And we're back. Please welcome Ian

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<v Speaker 2>to the program. Please welcome Aaron to the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Gentlemen, Hello, your favorite, your favorite portrayal of Peter Parker.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start with you. Ian.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's it's a tie for me between or

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<v Speaker 5>it's a toss up between Andrew Garfield and Tom Holland.

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<v Speaker 5>I think they both do different things really well, but

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<v Speaker 5>I think Tom is the best at portraying the like science,

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<v Speaker 5>the genius aspect of of Peter. You know, he's like

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<v Speaker 5>building all the stuff using the stark tech, like making

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<v Speaker 5>all the equipment, especially in No Way Home, where he's

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<v Speaker 5>like doing all those experiments to like save all the

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<v Speaker 5>multiversal villains and they all work together, which is a

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<v Speaker 5>nice moment. But I think the capturing that like angsty

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<v Speaker 5>teen vibe. I think Andrew Garfield was the best at that.

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<v Speaker 5>And then the chemistry he had with Emma Stone too.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's the best like romantic side of Peter

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:52.159
<v Speaker 5>Parker that we've seen. It just felt the most believable.

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:54.399
<v Speaker 6>I was like, this feels like a guy, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>maybe exactly in the trailer, like making each other fucking

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<v Speaker 6>like wooden rocking chairs or whatever.

0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:06.520
<v Speaker 7>You know, I felt it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I just I just love It's like

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:11.600
<v Speaker 1>you cast Andrew Garfield like, listen, he can't be that nerdy,

0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:14.360
<v Speaker 1>we can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Your favorite spider Man. Favorite Peter Parker not Spider Man, right,

0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:25.920
<v Speaker 2>favorite Peter Parker. I think my favorite Peter might be Toby. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that.

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<v Speaker 4>You're quite a young fellow to have that opinion. Tell

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<v Speaker 4>us more.

0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:32.960
<v Speaker 2>I think that Toby was just that first time seeing

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 2>it on the big screen, which impacts my viewing of it.

0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:39.000
<v Speaker 2>But I have loved different elements of all of them.

0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:41.080
<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, Ian has a really great point,

0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:46.919
<v Speaker 2>like Garfield does this quippy, kind of depressed, dejected feel

0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:51.400
<v Speaker 2>like pretty well. And I loved how Tom. I love

0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Tom's relationship with Ned and MJ, and like him being

0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:58.560
<v Speaker 2>on school field trips. All of that felt so perfect

0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:02.720
<v Speaker 2>for that portrayal of Peter. And then Toby just kind

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:05.720
<v Speaker 2>of felt like the most like normal, sad, sacky kind

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 2>of guy who's like I got, you know, Joe Manjanello

0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:12.200
<v Speaker 2>or whatever his name pushed me, you know, like in

0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:14.879
<v Speaker 2>many things with Toby where he just like kind of

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 2>got beat up a lot, and that's what it works.

0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 2>And I just call him.

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:21.080
<v Speaker 3>We call him Charlie Brown. Charlie Brown. Peter Parker in

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 3>this House like.

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 2>And just like that first time he realizes he has

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:28.320
<v Speaker 2>powers is one of the most exciting Spider Man movies.

0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:31.720
<v Speaker 3>But Danny is like, I'm real too, Rosie.

0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:34.200
<v Speaker 2>What about you? Who's your favorite Parker? Yeah?

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 1>I do think I have to.

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:38.400
<v Speaker 4>I like all of them that I think obviously. Uh,

0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 4>you know, Toby was the one I grew up with.

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:42.359
<v Speaker 4>I saw Andrew in my twenties. I thought that was

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:45.040
<v Speaker 4>really good. But I am a Tom Holland die Hard

0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:48.520
<v Speaker 4>because I do think for me when I'm reading the

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:51.199
<v Speaker 4>comics the Peter I care about most, which hasn't been

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:53.359
<v Speaker 4>around for a long time, Like he's kind of perennially

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:55.560
<v Speaker 4>in his twenties. Now he's a teacher, he's at college.

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:58.160
<v Speaker 4>But I love teenage Peter Parky. I wanted to see

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:01.320
<v Speaker 4>him in school. I want to see him as a.

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Kid who loves his community.

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:06.359
<v Speaker 4>I think that those movies are the best grassroots like

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:09.280
<v Speaker 4>street level Spider Man that we've got, and they don't

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 4>play into some of the more trophy pulpy elements like

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 4>the uncle Ben getting killed by the robber who immediately

0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:18.000
<v Speaker 4>becomes a murderer if you let him free, you know.

0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:22.200
<v Speaker 4>Instead we get this like kind of contemporized version, which

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:23.320
<v Speaker 4>you know, we've talked about this a lot.

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 1>Part of the reason it's so.

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 4>Good is because a lot of it's just stolen from

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:29.919
<v Speaker 4>Miles Morales ned is gangk That the moment with the

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 4>when they drop the Star Wars lego of the death

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.480
<v Speaker 4>starts directly from Miles's comic, you know, so they took

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:40.120
<v Speaker 4>a lot, But I do think that for me, like

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:44.280
<v Speaker 4>that is the best representation because what aside from you know,

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:47.280
<v Speaker 4>Kamala Kahan and obviously we love her and she was

0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 4>Marvel's reinvention of a street level hero.

0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:51.240
<v Speaker 3>Those are the two.

0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 4>Like teenagers that we get doing stuff like they could

0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:57.000
<v Speaker 4>be in the Champions team like and also the thing

0:28:57.080 --> 0:28:59.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm most excited about now, it's gonna be you know,

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.320
<v Speaker 4>Mjason college and it's clear and and like Peter and

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 4>they're both in their like nineteen twenties. I want them

0:29:05.080 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 4>to let them be in love. I want them to

0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 4>let mj become hot. I want them to then there

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 4>is like a fucking supermodel, like, let her be that

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 4>version of MJ.

0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Let Peter be the bombs just proved to her.

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 4>They've always played her more like the tomboy if you

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:22.360
<v Speaker 4>actually look.

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 3>They've never had like in the first two movies.

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 4>They've never had her be the face it tiger you

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:28.760
<v Speaker 4>hit the jackpot.

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 1>But I think they're gonna Dows exactly.

0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:37.960
<v Speaker 3>I think They're gonna let her have the red head.

0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 1>Tell me about it, Peter boom boom boom boom. But yeah,

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:44.760
<v Speaker 1>I I do.

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:46.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm a I'm a.

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 3>Tom Stan after all these years, Jason, what about you?

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Who's your favor?

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 6>Uh?

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Tom Holland I think is the best all around. Like

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:01.240
<v Speaker 1>if you all the all the parts of the pie

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 1>that make up a Peter Parker. He's got the look,

0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 1>he's got the quippiness, he's got them, just the boyishness

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 1>that said, he's earnest. I don't think anything can top

0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Toby maguire post the bite flexing in the mirror that

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:22.480
<v Speaker 1>first time.

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so it was so like.

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 1>The face doesn't match the body first of all. So

0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:33.400
<v Speaker 1>it is shocking and it feels like a real transformation,

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Like it felt so dramatic.

0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 4>The first time you see him using like the webs

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 4>to fly through that is unreal, like we had game

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 4>yet we hadn't.

0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Flexing his bicep in the mirror and being like, oh

0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 1>my god, I look like this. It just it was

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 1>such a moment for me. It's the iconic transformation, like

0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Peter to Spider Man, the transformation that the embodying the

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:06.120
<v Speaker 1>powers and making it real and making you feel like

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 1>what he must be feeling like in that moment. And

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 1>so that Spider Man one just has a special place

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 1>in my I love him Spider Man one. I think

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 1>the transformation is is amazing in general. Now, who what's

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 1>our favorite portrayal of Spider Man and this is animated,

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 1>this is live action, This is like.

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:39.480
<v Speaker 2>In universe. Yeah, any anything multi dimensional.

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:43.080
<v Speaker 4>Like, I'm not trying to I'm not trying to give

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 4>Shama more like I'm not trying to hand it to

0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 4>him because he's It turns out that he's not like

0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 4>he's He's been annoying Haley Steinfeld in real life. Not

0:31:55.960 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 4>Haley oh no, he was bothering Haley Steinfeld who play Spider.

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 2>He was also bothering.

0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:06.360
<v Speaker 4>Time and then Liz Oh no, no, that was after Bibe.

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 4>He's stalked Tailey for like years. Anyway, we don't have

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 4>to concerned.

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 1>I'll just say, like I'm concerned about I want him,

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 1>I want him to have people in his corner.

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:24.440
<v Speaker 4>But I do think, unquestionably, I think Mars Morales in

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 4>the Spider Use movies is by far the best Spider

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:30.600
<v Speaker 4>Man we've ever had. I think it captures the street

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 4>level version. I think it captures the notion of the

0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 4>coming of age transformation. I think it understands in both

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 4>movies the horror of the loss. I also think it's

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:46.280
<v Speaker 4>subversive because it questions the nature of do we have

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 4>to allow a tragedy to happen? Do these canon events

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 4>have to happen or can we make the world better?

0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 1>What do we do? Do we accept our fate?

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 3>Do we change it?

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:58.160
<v Speaker 4>I think he is the Spider Man with the most agency.

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:02.200
<v Speaker 4>He is the Spider Man who impresses the most and

0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 4>just visually, I rewatch all of these movies, but I

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 4>think I get the most pleasure and like artistic fulfillment

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 4>when I rewatch those movies, Like every single frame is

0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 4>just so stunning. So I think for me, it's just

0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 4>that's that's the peak, and I do feel like live

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:24.000
<v Speaker 4>action Spider Man. And obviously the fact that so much

0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 4>was taken from Miles for Tom Holland Spider Man does

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:29.880
<v Speaker 4>put the MCU in a little bit of a weird

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 4>place when they inevitably bring Miles into the MCU in

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:34.640
<v Speaker 4>the coming few years.

0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 1>So I really want them to capture it.

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:38.480
<v Speaker 4>But I do think for me, if I'm piging a

0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 4>singular Spider Man, even though I love the nineties animated series,

0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 4>I love all of our live actions, I think it's

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:46.920
<v Speaker 4>I think that Miles movie just felt like it changed

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 4>my life when it came out, like as a superhero movie,

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:52.360
<v Speaker 4>especially in the second one where they fix the eyes

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 4>and they stop using cross my eyes in the middle

0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 4>of sentences, and then I was like, this is a

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 4>perfect movie, Ian, how about you?

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 7>This one's tough.

0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 5>But because I was initially gonna say, I think my

0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:08.640
<v Speaker 5>favorite portrayal of just Spider Man was Andrew Garfield because

0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:10.919
<v Speaker 5>I feel like he has a kind of like edge

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:13.000
<v Speaker 5>to him in a way that the others don't cast

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 5>that comes through exactly. He has the best quips, He's

0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:21.440
<v Speaker 5>the funniest by far, I think, and and the web

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:23.279
<v Speaker 5>swinging I think in his movies was some of the

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 5>best we've seen. I think that might change in Brand

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:26.759
<v Speaker 5>New Day because I did a lot of practical web

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:29.560
<v Speaker 5>swinging on map so good. I'm excited to see that.

0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:32.880
<v Speaker 5>So I think I'm leaning Andrew is my favorite portrayal

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:35.960
<v Speaker 5>of Spider Man we've seen on the big screen. But Rosie,

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:38.320
<v Speaker 5>you didn't make a really compelling argument with Miles Moralesis

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 5>and movies are so good. But I think I'm gonna

0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:43.359
<v Speaker 5>stick with Andrew because I think he brought the most

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 5>unique portrayal compared to the other ones.

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:48.800
<v Speaker 2>I think, Yeah, Aaron, I'm gonna go with Christopher Daniel

0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Barnes Animated Series Spider Man.

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:51.160
<v Speaker 7>This is the one.

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:53.719
<v Speaker 2>His voice is what is in my head with every

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Spider Man I read. Partly, you know, he's benefiting from

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 2>having four seasons, so there's so many any stories that

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:03.360
<v Speaker 2>are told. His character gets to be man Spider, his

0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:04.320
<v Speaker 2>character gets.

0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 3>To have the.

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Storyline, he interacts with Doctor Stram, gets made everything. So

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:16.880
<v Speaker 2>he is my be all and of that for Spider Man,

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:20.360
<v Speaker 2>both in suit and out suit. But if we're solely

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:24.919
<v Speaker 2>talking live action, I think Tom Holland, depending on the movie,

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:27.600
<v Speaker 2>is either my favorite or my least favorite Spider Man,

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:31.160
<v Speaker 2>and not his fault, not always his fault, but there

0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:34.760
<v Speaker 2>are some things where like I think, uh, Tom Holland

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:39.920
<v Speaker 2>in Homecoming as well as the second half basically of

0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:42.440
<v Speaker 2>No Way Home, those are my favorites, and I think

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:44.720
<v Speaker 2>actually Far From Home is maybe my least favorite.

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:47.400
<v Speaker 4>I think that's a general read because I think that

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:49.839
<v Speaker 4>was more of a they didn't what to do off.

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I would also say when it comes to.

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:55.840
<v Speaker 4>Just like someone in a Spider Man suit doing the

0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:58.279
<v Speaker 4>that it is hard to pick like a son and

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 4>just one because I do love Mo's but like I

0:36:01.160 --> 0:36:04.480
<v Speaker 4>also think that introduction of Tom Holland in Civil War

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:08.279
<v Speaker 4>is maybe one of the coolest character introductions and does

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:12.320
<v Speaker 4>so much to establish who he is and how sassy

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:14.959
<v Speaker 4>he is, and how he's not kind of scale young,

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:16.400
<v Speaker 4>how young, like.

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 1>He's a baby and he's not a fan, but he

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 1>is impressed. Like it's so it's really funny.

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 5>Did you imagine if they didn't put that in the

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:26.360
<v Speaker 5>trailer and that was a genuine surprise in the theater.

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:28.680
<v Speaker 5>To this day, I'm still like, oh, I wish I know.

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 5>I understand why they did it. They got to say

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 5>somebody to think about that so much.

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Cinema.

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:37.279
<v Speaker 4>Well, I was actually gonna say that was something I

0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 4>didn't get to say when we were talking about No

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 4>Way Home. But I will say I do think also

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:45.760
<v Speaker 4>if we're talking about like Ebbs Flows Peaks of the MCU,

0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:49.239
<v Speaker 4>I think that the Three Spider Man, which everybody had

0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:51.279
<v Speaker 4>wanted to happen for a long time, was basically known

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 4>it was going to happen. The cultural impact of that

0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:56.760
<v Speaker 4>and how it played in the cinema even though everybody

0:36:56.880 --> 0:36:59.640
<v Speaker 4>knew it was going to happen, was like at the

0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 4>level of endgame. I took my phone to see it

0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:05.240
<v Speaker 4>on the morning it came out at the shitty little starlight,

0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:08.920
<v Speaker 4>like tiny, not not stadium seating, like it's one of

0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 4>my favorite movie the is, but it's all flat, dude.

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 4>People lost that ship. But my favorite part was like

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 4>at some point somebody showed up I can't remember who

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:20.839
<v Speaker 4>it was, like Crossbones or something, and somebody went, it's

0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 4>the Punisher, and that was like my favorite pot.

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:28.319
<v Speaker 2>It was like the people, who's your favorite Spider Man,

0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:30.440
<v Speaker 2>spider Man, Spider Man?

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:33.759
<v Speaker 1>My favorite Spider Man Spider Man. If I had to

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 1>go overall, I'm gonna go with Peter B. Parker depressed

0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:46.839
<v Speaker 1>spot Yes, and then live action. I Tolmy Maguire Spider Man.

0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 1>I think is I still think some of the I

0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 1>love Tom Holland as well. Overall, I also happened to

0:37:54.719 --> 0:38:02.960
<v Speaker 1>believe that nothing has topped the way slinging spider gymnastics

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:06.120
<v Speaker 1>of the first two Sam Raimi Spider.

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Manka and I need that. I want the new Spider

0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:10.759
<v Speaker 2>Man to up their game.

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 7>This is a tie.

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 1>This is a cheat.

0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:15.719
<v Speaker 4>Hairckert on that because like it's not a movie, but

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:18.680
<v Speaker 4>I did want to include and Jason kind of touches

0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:20.120
<v Speaker 4>on it because of what one of the things I

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:22.279
<v Speaker 4>think was so great about it. I do want to

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:26.240
<v Speaker 4>know about that first Spider Man game, Oh yeah, because

0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 4>like when that came out, so experience playing and swinging

0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:34.920
<v Speaker 4>through the city was so crazy. And I have to

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 4>say I loved the voice of Peter that they created

0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 4>in that, and I loved the interactions with his friends,

0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:43.759
<v Speaker 4>and I love the fact that we got to know

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:46.239
<v Speaker 4>more about what what means things to him, you know,

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:49.200
<v Speaker 4>the food bank and like obviously the mysteries and getting

0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:49.760
<v Speaker 4>to see everything.

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:51.440
<v Speaker 1>I loved in the second one where they kind of.

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:54.759
<v Speaker 4>Evolved the radio to be that you were getting like

0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:57.600
<v Speaker 4>tips from your friends instead of following the cops.

0:38:57.680 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Like I love that.

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:01.239
<v Speaker 4>I also felt like somebody who loves the you know,

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:05.440
<v Speaker 4>Batman Arkham games. That is also probably like my favorite

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:08.080
<v Speaker 4>version of Peter that we've gotten to see as like

0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:12.560
<v Speaker 4>a combat fighter, because there's so much incredible gameplay and

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.359
<v Speaker 4>combat in that game that we really get to see

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:17.320
<v Speaker 4>that gymnastic side of him, but in a way you

0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:19.239
<v Speaker 4>in an extended way you don't get to see in

0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:21.160
<v Speaker 4>a movie, like we're rarely going to get.

0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Like a forty five minute Spider Man action sequence. It's

0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:25.120
<v Speaker 1>just not how movies are made.

0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:27.719
<v Speaker 4>But we got to experience that side of Peter's abilities

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 4>in that game, and I thought they also balanced it

0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:33.160
<v Speaker 4>with like a fun voice and the empathy in the heart.

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:34.799
<v Speaker 1>So I wanted to shout out that one too.

0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:37.200
<v Speaker 2>Take a break, We'll be right backupter this with more

0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:50.879
<v Speaker 2>predictions for Spider Man. Yeah, and we're back.

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So as we head into doomsday, which we don't

0:39:56.120 --> 0:40:00.480
<v Speaker 1>know what Peter's fate really is gonna be at the

0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 1>end of brand New Day, but I think we can

0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:10.600
<v Speaker 1>say anecdotally from the trailer view numbers that Spider Man

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:16.960
<v Speaker 1>is far and away the most popular Marvel thing current

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:22.359
<v Speaker 1>just nothing else that is this. So what is the move?

0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:25.240
<v Speaker 1>Because of course this is a co production with Sony,

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:30.759
<v Speaker 1>and it seems like both studios are incentivized to keep

0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 1>this rolling. But I'm sure Disney would love it if

0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:39.480
<v Speaker 1>it was one of their wholly owned properties that was

0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of the flagships. So, like, how does Disney and Marvel,

0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:47.839
<v Speaker 1>how do they manage a world in which their most

0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:52.320
<v Speaker 1>popular property is not the big question that they fully

0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:54.960
<v Speaker 1>own and have full control of, Like.

0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:57.839
<v Speaker 3>What do they do? I So I do think that's

0:40:57.920 --> 0:40:59.879
<v Speaker 3>like a clear answer for this. And I've always said

0:40:59.880 --> 0:41:01.440
<v Speaker 3>that and I do think it's where it's going to go.

0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:04.439
<v Speaker 1>So I think that you're totally right, Jason.

0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:06.399
<v Speaker 4>You touch on the craziest thing, which is, ever since

0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:09.480
<v Speaker 4>Spider Man was introduced, that has perennially been Marvel's like

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:12.399
<v Speaker 4>top tier A list character. That's why they were able

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:14.400
<v Speaker 4>to license the rights to Sony and make money, and

0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 4>all these movies made so much money. I think that

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:18.799
<v Speaker 4>what Marvel is going to have to do is they

0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:22.480
<v Speaker 4>have to move past Peter Parker because they actually my

0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:25.879
<v Speaker 4>understanding is, while you know Sony has licensing to create

0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:30.439
<v Speaker 4>a Mars Morale's animated movie, my understanding is that part

0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:33.200
<v Speaker 4>of the reason that the Sony deal happened anyway was

0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:36.359
<v Speaker 4>because Marvel knew that legally they could make a Mars

0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:39.080
<v Speaker 4>Morale's movie that didn't have the word Spider Man in

0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:41.600
<v Speaker 4>the title and still make a movie about Mars Morales

0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:45.440
<v Speaker 4>being Spider Man. I think that eventually, when the MCU

0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:48.960
<v Speaker 4>introduces Mars Morales, if they can do what Spider Verse

0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:53.080
<v Speaker 4>did with freshness with tone, they could have their own

0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:56.520
<v Speaker 4>non central to the story.

0:41:57.360 --> 0:41:59.279
<v Speaker 3>Peter Parker, who was can I push back?

0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Please? Do I think if I'm in the I don't

0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:10.160
<v Speaker 1>know the marketing or the accounting division. I'm saying, why

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:14.799
<v Speaker 1>if this movie makes a billion zillion bucks Brand New Day, Yes,

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 1>we would all love a Miles Morales, but it's unproven

0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:17.879
<v Speaker 1>in live action.

0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:21.720
<v Speaker 2>Why we can't kill Peter.

0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:25.080
<v Speaker 1>No, No, they do both. I there is Miles.

0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:27.880
<v Speaker 4>I think Peter is Miles is mentor in the Sony movies,

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:30.600
<v Speaker 4>and then in Disney they just I.

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Don't think that they will do that. I think they

0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 1>will say, let's introduce Miles and see how it goes,

0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:41.920
<v Speaker 1>and then if we feel like it's working, we can

0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:45.880
<v Speaker 1>think about somehow handing off to Miles.

0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:48.480
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think that's how

0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:49.120
<v Speaker 3>they think.

0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:52.239
<v Speaker 1>These studios are way too risk averse to be like,

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Peter is making us billions of dollars, Okay, you can

0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:58.319
<v Speaker 1>just have him back, and we'll just do Miles, an

0:42:58.400 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 1>unproven guy.

0:42:59.120 --> 0:42:59.479
<v Speaker 3>I think.

0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:03.960
<v Speaker 4>Because because I don't think that they're ever gonna like

0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 4>Sony's never gonna own Spider Man, right, that's an ongoing

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:12.000
<v Speaker 4>licensing deal, and Marvel owns Miles Morales just like it

0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:12.960
<v Speaker 4>owns Spider Man.

0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:16.960
<v Speaker 3>I think it's just about how the percentages are gonna

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:17.360
<v Speaker 3>be split.

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:19.799
<v Speaker 4>Up as it goes forward because Sony pays to make

0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:23.480
<v Speaker 4>the current Spider Man movies, which works out for the MCU, right,

0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:26.000
<v Speaker 4>because they're paying for them and the MCU makes with

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 4>us money, but they get to use the Tom Holland

0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:33.800
<v Speaker 4>Spider Man. It's like, it's really interesting, and I do

0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 4>think that they are going to have to continue doing it,

0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:40.680
<v Speaker 4>but I do think Marvel is probably consistently thinking how

0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:43.360
<v Speaker 4>do we not do that? I also wonder if what

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:45.160
<v Speaker 4>do you think about this? This is like a this

0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:48.080
<v Speaker 4>is a fan theory based on what we think about

0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:49.960
<v Speaker 4>the licensing, Right. We used to talk about this kind

0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:51.960
<v Speaker 4>of stuff in the comics a lot. But like, do

0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:54.880
<v Speaker 4>you think there's a version where if the MCU just

0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:58.240
<v Speaker 4>has Tom Holland not as Spider Man, but as Peter Parker,

0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 4>like in the E for example, Peter Parker's teaching at

0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:03.799
<v Speaker 4>the X Mansion, Right, it could work if they only

0:44:03.880 --> 0:44:04.480
<v Speaker 4>have him in there.

0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:06.520
<v Speaker 3>Do you think they don't have to pay Sony anything

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:07.760
<v Speaker 3>because it's not Spider Man.

0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:09.759
<v Speaker 4>Like, do you think there's a version where they can

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:14.120
<v Speaker 4>just have pizza they just like refer to him, Yeah,

0:44:14.120 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 4>and they just don't have him really be a present

0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:18.360
<v Speaker 4>Spider Man in the MCU side, do they get to

0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:22.759
<v Speaker 4>use him. I'm interested in those kind of machinations and

0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:25.360
<v Speaker 4>like negotiations because a lot of times it is about

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:29.279
<v Speaker 4>the character name or what thing they first appeared in,

0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:31.719
<v Speaker 4>and that's why you're allowed to use them. So I'm

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:32.480
<v Speaker 4>interested in that.

0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Regardless of how the money would break out, I think

0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:37.759
<v Speaker 2>fans would be upset too much after the first time

0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 2>that Parker shows up and never swings and never shoots away.

0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:44.399
<v Speaker 2>It would that would not last. And I think I'm

0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:47.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually opposed to you, Rosie, and that I think

0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:50.719
<v Speaker 2>Marvel should do the gy honis Onto Takoumpo method. You

0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:54.120
<v Speaker 2>hire Zendea for three more movies. You hire Tom's little

0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:56.880
<v Speaker 2>brother Harry to have a role in the upcoming movies.

0:44:56.960 --> 0:45:00.200
<v Speaker 2>You you get everyone, You just get Tom to day

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 2>in that role. I know Miles is a huge comics character.

0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Spider Bruse movies are huge, But the MCU has failed

0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:10.439
<v Speaker 2>on all these handoffs going forward so far. They yeah,

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:12.439
<v Speaker 2>and I think that they're going to be gun shy

0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 2>about trying to roll off of the one thing that

0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:18.879
<v Speaker 2>has consistently hit since endgame. So I think that they're

0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:21.160
<v Speaker 2>going to try to keep Tomminsenda and this as long

0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:21.920
<v Speaker 2>as possible.

0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:25.759
<v Speaker 4>Well, and that is precedent of Zendea having powers or

0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:28.799
<v Speaker 4>becoming you know, Jackpot or Spider Woman or whatever version.

0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:31.000
<v Speaker 4>So if they really wanted to build them in as

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:33.759
<v Speaker 4>the forefront of the movies going forward, they could do

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 4>that for like another ten years.

0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:38.720
<v Speaker 1>So here's where we stand now with the licensing. Sony

0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:44.319
<v Speaker 1>made Brand New Day, Marvel Co produces, it's distributed by

0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:48.799
<v Speaker 1>Sony Hollins. Peter Parker can appear in MCU films, which

0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:53.279
<v Speaker 1>is why the doomsday question is open and this deal is.

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:56.000
<v Speaker 3>Gone because he's been in Civil War and all those rights.

0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:59.399
<v Speaker 1>The twenty five seventy five split and Brand New Day

0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:01.840
<v Speaker 1>is the start of a new trilogy. So Holland is

0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:03.880
<v Speaker 1>confirmed for the next two films that are being planned,

0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Miles Morale now Miles Morales. There was a twenty eleven

0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:10.400
<v Speaker 1>amendment to the Sony license agreement which made uh.

0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:12.360
<v Speaker 2>This came out during the fucking.

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 1>North Korea at It was so crazy to work in

0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:18.160
<v Speaker 1>a comic bookshop around the time of the Sony League.

0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:21.400
<v Speaker 1>The specific test for whether a New Spider Man character

0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:26.080
<v Speaker 1>falls under the Sony rights or Disney's and apparently Miles

0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:29.000
<v Speaker 1>as a Spider Man falls under Sony. So Sony owns

0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 1>Miles Morales for live action, Marvel does not.

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:33.040
<v Speaker 2>They'd have to forge a new deal.

0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 4>Forge alow and that was allegedly, allegedly was something that

0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:40.840
<v Speaker 4>was also negotiated and possibly given to Marvel, given to

0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:44.160
<v Speaker 4>Sony by Marvel so that Marvel could put Pete Paka

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:44.440
<v Speaker 4>in that.

0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:47.400
<v Speaker 1>So a live action Miles Morales movie would be a

0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:51.040
<v Speaker 1>Sony movie unless they strike some other deal. Now, last year,

0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Feiey confirmed publicly that Sony has explicitly told Marvel

0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:57.399
<v Speaker 1>to stay away from Miles Morales. Don't not mentioned don't

0:46:57.400 --> 0:46:57.560
<v Speaker 1>do it.

0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:01.040
<v Speaker 7>That's what we've heard until they finished the spy Verse trilogy.

0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:03.839
<v Speaker 1>Right, Basically, Yeah, that's what we sa Fig said.

0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:05.080
<v Speaker 2>We've been told to stay away.

0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:08.080
<v Speaker 1>And the reason is pretty straightforward obviously because of like

0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:12.520
<v Speaker 1>the yes beyond the Spider Verse stuff. So once that's

0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:17.160
<v Speaker 1>over though, well all of which is to say that's

0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:20.600
<v Speaker 1>a new that's a new deal. Now do they roll

0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Miles in under the same deal as Spider Man or

0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:31.319
<v Speaker 1>do they try and renegotiate a different deal. I think

0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:33.319
<v Speaker 1>if you're an ass I think of your I think

0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:36.560
<v Speaker 1>of your Disney Legal, which they have like the most,

0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:44.399
<v Speaker 1>like insane killers like that. I think you say, hey,

0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:48.880
<v Speaker 1>we love Miles Morales. In no way, shape or form,

0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:53.880
<v Speaker 1>as popular as Miles is, does his popularity come anywhere

0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:57.080
<v Speaker 1>close to Spider Man's. So it's got to be a

0:47:57.120 --> 0:47:59.680
<v Speaker 1>differently shaped deal. I think that will be part of

0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:00.920
<v Speaker 1>what the conversation.

0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:06.360
<v Speaker 4>I also think Sony is probably specifically holding off to

0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:08.840
<v Speaker 4>see if beyond the Spider Verse can make a billion

0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:11.560
<v Speaker 4>dollars or whatever you dream of as the biggest release,

0:48:11.840 --> 0:48:12.640
<v Speaker 4>and then you can.

0:48:12.600 --> 0:48:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Go to Marvel and go So what was that about?

0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:18.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, Miles I as an asshole?

0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:19.040
<v Speaker 6>Goal?

0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's that's animated.

0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:23.239
<v Speaker 4>Oh no, I mean I agree, like it's I I

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:25.880
<v Speaker 4>agree with you, Like I'm not saying what Disney's business

0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:26.680
<v Speaker 4>is gonna say.

0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:29.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying what I think. I think the whole

0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:29.640
<v Speaker 1>thing is.

0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:33.000
<v Speaker 4>Like so interesting because it is the only one because

0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:36.000
<v Speaker 4>of the Sony leaks where we do still get these

0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:39.520
<v Speaker 4>like funny emails or information dumps or easy to find

0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:42.440
<v Speaker 4>stuff that for so long was just rumored about these deals.

0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:44.600
<v Speaker 3>So it is really interesting.

0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:48.200
<v Speaker 4>I just don't know, I think Marvel probably has a

0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:51.000
<v Speaker 4>legal team every single day whose job it is is

0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:53.480
<v Speaker 4>just trying to get them the ability to not pay

0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:55.120
<v Speaker 4>Sony to make a Spider Man movie.

0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:57.759
<v Speaker 1>Ian, what do you think they do with if they

0:48:57.800 --> 0:49:00.560
<v Speaker 1>could bring in Miles Ian and Aaron? How do they

0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:03.840
<v Speaker 1>do it and is it a standalone Miles or is

0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:09.319
<v Speaker 1>it as part of like a Spider Men like half

0:49:09.520 --> 0:49:11.240
<v Speaker 1>like the Batman's stable.

0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, family type situation.

0:49:15.640 --> 0:49:17.440
<v Speaker 5>Like how do they how do they do it in

0:49:18.840 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 5>I think the way to introduce him would be like

0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:24.360
<v Speaker 5>during or after Secret Wars. You know, we have like

0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:27.839
<v Speaker 5>a multiversal situation. I think you can have the two

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:32.000
<v Speaker 5>Spider Man coexist in that like mentor student role. But

0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:34.400
<v Speaker 5>I think we should it should it should be more

0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:36.360
<v Speaker 5>than like a one film thing. I think over the

0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:38.520
<v Speaker 5>course of maybe like two or three films, there's that

0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:41.640
<v Speaker 5>transition and then maybe in that final one, you know,

0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:43.320
<v Speaker 5>Tom can can phase.

0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Out and then we have exactly and then we have Miles.

0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:48.600
<v Speaker 5>Become the mainline Spider Man. I think that's the way

0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:51.440
<v Speaker 5>to do it, like a gradual transition, not like one movie.

0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:51.960
<v Speaker 7>Boom, We're done.

0:49:52.080 --> 0:49:52.239
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:54.919
<v Speaker 4>In the comics there was this kind of everyone thought

0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:57.080
<v Speaker 4>Pete was dead, but Miles was the only one who

0:49:57.360 --> 0:50:00.880
<v Speaker 4>knew he wasn't dead, and he was his mentor that period,

0:50:01.040 --> 0:50:04.000
<v Speaker 4>and that is like a really interesting space that I

0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:06.040
<v Speaker 4>think that kind of leaning towards Aaron. What would you

0:50:06.120 --> 0:50:08.279
<v Speaker 4>do if you were bringing Miles over? Or do you

0:50:08.360 --> 0:50:10.000
<v Speaker 4>think that's like not even interesting to you?

0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:15.240
<v Speaker 2>I think it's interesting. I think that I am worried

0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:18.440
<v Speaker 2>if maybe this is just me being a little more

0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:23.160
<v Speaker 2>pessimistic about things. The animated movies are so good. Let

0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:25.120
<v Speaker 2>them continue to be great. Let them be their thing.

0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:28.800
<v Speaker 2>I like them existing in their pocket Matt Reeves Batman

0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:31.800
<v Speaker 2>esque universe where that doesn't touch the MCU. I'm totally

0:50:31.840 --> 0:50:34.520
<v Speaker 2>fine with that. I don't want Oscar Isaac spider Man

0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:36.759
<v Speaker 2>twenty ninety nine to show up in Secret Wars, right.

0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:39.800
<v Speaker 3>Like I also don't want unless it was animated, I

0:50:39.840 --> 0:50:41.000
<v Speaker 3>would be happy to stay.

0:50:41.040 --> 0:50:46.480
<v Speaker 2>That could interesting, and I'm gonna it will depend a lot.

0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I think how Sadie Sink is handled in Brand New.

0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:52.000
<v Speaker 4>I was gonna that was gonna be my next big question.

0:50:52.360 --> 0:50:54.320
<v Speaker 4>How does the Sadie Sink of it all? If she

0:50:54.480 --> 0:50:57.840
<v Speaker 4>is Jean Gray, how does that change what they do?

0:50:58.000 --> 0:50:58.719
<v Speaker 1>With Spider Man.

0:50:58.960 --> 0:51:00.920
<v Speaker 3>Is that how the mc was trying to create this

0:51:01.120 --> 0:51:03.439
<v Speaker 3>like mutant offshoot where they don't have to do stuff

0:51:03.480 --> 0:51:05.160
<v Speaker 3>with Sony, Like, what do you think about that, Aaron?

0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:08.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because if if Spider Man is here to play

0:51:08.719 --> 0:51:12.320
<v Speaker 2>some sort of mentoring role to young mutants like Sadie

0:51:12.320 --> 0:51:15.319
<v Speaker 2>as Jean Gray, then that will be a really good

0:51:15.360 --> 0:51:18.520
<v Speaker 2>way to introduce them the X Men set them up

0:51:18.560 --> 0:51:20.759
<v Speaker 2>to be kind of the cornerstone of the MCU, but

0:51:21.000 --> 0:51:25.120
<v Speaker 2>also give us this moment of hey, Tom has or

0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:28.920
<v Speaker 2>like Peter played by Tom has been mentored by Iron Man.

0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:31.719
<v Speaker 2>Now he's kind of working concurrently with the X Men,

0:51:31.760 --> 0:51:33.759
<v Speaker 2>who are sort of a similar age, and then he

0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:35.960
<v Speaker 2>can evolve into the role where he is the true

0:51:36.040 --> 0:51:39.120
<v Speaker 2>mentor two Miles. I don't think we need to rush

0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:42.400
<v Speaker 2>to get Miles and like into live acctually. They did

0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:46.439
<v Speaker 2>it right, Yes, the rush, Yeah, let me It's okay.

0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Await, Jason, I want to know that. What do you

0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:50.560
<v Speaker 1>think the Sadie Sink Jean Gray of it all?

0:51:50.760 --> 0:51:53.960
<v Speaker 4>Like, how do you think that what is MCU's play

0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:56.839
<v Speaker 4>if they are really introducing her there? Do you think

0:51:56.920 --> 0:51:59.360
<v Speaker 4>it is about kind of trying to re establish that

0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:01.920
<v Speaker 4>balance of like, Okay, sure Peter Parker is in our

0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:04.440
<v Speaker 4>stuff sometimes, but we're gonna put an X Men in

0:52:04.520 --> 0:52:04.960
<v Speaker 4>your stuff?

0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Like is it a power play? Like what do you

0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:07.120
<v Speaker 1>feel like?

0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:09.120
<v Speaker 4>Or are they just trying to say, hey, we also

0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:11.680
<v Speaker 4>have these other more popular characters, because the X Men

0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:13.799
<v Speaker 4>are perennially they're more famous team in common.

0:52:13.880 --> 0:52:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think they're doing something really smart, which is

0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:19.680
<v Speaker 1>you're using you know, like a like a hit TV

0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:22.000
<v Speaker 1>show being used as a lead in for a new team.

0:52:23.800 --> 0:52:25.800
<v Speaker 1>They're using Spider Man as the lead in for the

0:52:26.000 --> 0:52:30.680
<v Speaker 1>X Men, and and I think that's really wise. I

0:52:30.760 --> 0:52:34.040
<v Speaker 1>also think that there is there's weirdly precedent, you know,

0:52:34.160 --> 0:52:36.480
<v Speaker 1>like the eighties there was a Spider Man and his

0:52:36.560 --> 0:52:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Amazing Friends in which Spider Man is man. I love that,

0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:42.280
<v Speaker 1>like best friends with Ice Iceman, Bobby Drake and Angelica

0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Jones Firestar and they just like run around those three.

0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:47.200
<v Speaker 1>That doesn't make any sense that those three would.

0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:52.399
<v Speaker 4>Be Bonka's like to sell toys choices, but what really well,

0:52:52.640 --> 0:52:55.000
<v Speaker 4>and maybe that works again, I also think there's another

0:52:56.040 --> 0:53:00.120
<v Speaker 4>listen Geen Gray, in both the comics and in the

0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:04.319
<v Speaker 4>movies into varying degrees of success has been depicted as

0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:10.399
<v Speaker 4>this character who who doesn't fully know herself, which kind

0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:11.719
<v Speaker 4>of mirrors what Peter.

0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:12.319
<v Speaker 2>Is going through.

0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:15.560
<v Speaker 1>So I do wonder if there's like a double a

0:53:15.719 --> 0:53:19.160
<v Speaker 1>double kind of thing going where nobody knows who Peter

0:53:19.280 --> 0:53:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Parker is and Jean Gray knows her either because she's

0:53:24.360 --> 0:53:27.839
<v Speaker 1>from another dimension or because she's been cut off from

0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:31.400
<v Speaker 1>her powers or Charles Xavier wiped everybody's memory of her,

0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:35.879
<v Speaker 1>and they are both dealing with this nobody knows who.

0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:40.320
<v Speaker 3>We are smart I take a lot so and so

0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:41.000
<v Speaker 3>where does that go?

0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:43.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but I do think that we end

0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:49.000
<v Speaker 1>up in a place where Spider Man is more attached.

0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:50.960
<v Speaker 2>To the X Men than he is in the comics.

0:53:51.160 --> 0:53:53.800
<v Speaker 1>That's why I feel like the mutation aspect.

0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:56.239
<v Speaker 4>Also, I will also ask you I was gonna ask

0:53:56.239 --> 0:53:58.640
<v Speaker 4>you guys this we but we like in pre pro

0:53:58.840 --> 0:54:00.719
<v Speaker 4>and in the kind of recent such for this, looking

0:54:00.760 --> 0:54:02.920
<v Speaker 4>at a lot of the rumors and stuff, obviously we

0:54:03.040 --> 0:54:05.640
<v Speaker 4>saw the Green Jackal like Mini Keg. So people are

0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:08.000
<v Speaker 4>asking is the Jackal going to be in it? Do

0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:11.360
<v Speaker 4>you guys think that the mutation element is going to

0:54:11.400 --> 0:54:14.279
<v Speaker 4>be like a forced mutation? Do you think that like

0:54:14.480 --> 0:54:17.600
<v Speaker 4>we're going to have a Spider Queen kind of like

0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:21.080
<v Speaker 4>trying to mutate the city like Spider Island, Like, do

0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:23.239
<v Speaker 4>you think that it's just going to be this notion

0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:27.080
<v Speaker 4>of a natural evolution, some kind of secondary mutation for him.

0:54:27.160 --> 0:54:28.440
<v Speaker 1>What route do you think they're going to go?

0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:31.200
<v Speaker 4>Because if they add it as being a natural secondary mutation,

0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:35.000
<v Speaker 4>then he really would be an essentially a mutant in

0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:35.720
<v Speaker 4>this universe.

0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Ian Aaron, what do you think?

0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:43.319
<v Speaker 5>I think based on the trailers and kind of looking

0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:46.200
<v Speaker 5>at the comics history of like Spider Queen and Spider Island,

0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:49.440
<v Speaker 5>as you mentioned Rosie, just for any listeners who are

0:54:49.480 --> 0:54:51.960
<v Speaker 5>not familiar with that, At ARC the broad Strokes is

0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:55.799
<v Speaker 5>there's a mutant Adrianasra aka the Spider Queen. She has

0:54:56.600 --> 0:55:00.840
<v Speaker 5>telepathic powers and she wants to mutate all the citizens

0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:03.560
<v Speaker 5>of New York into like Spider like creatures. The Jackal,

0:55:03.640 --> 0:55:06.360
<v Speaker 5>who's also like a geneticist and villain, helps her do that,

0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:10.319
<v Speaker 5>and so I think basically be.

0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:12.279
<v Speaker 3>A good like he would be like a good cut

0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:14.080
<v Speaker 3>Connors Riff in this world.

0:55:14.400 --> 0:55:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Like, but that's my problem is it we did we

0:55:17.280 --> 0:55:19.400
<v Speaker 2>did the lizard trying to make everyone lizards and they

0:55:19.520 --> 0:55:22.279
<v Speaker 2>joke about it in no way home, like, why would

0:55:22.320 --> 0:55:25.000
<v Speaker 2>you do the very next Spider Man movie is just

0:55:25.080 --> 0:55:27.319
<v Speaker 2>a playoff of that a storyline you already did.

0:55:27.640 --> 0:55:29.560
<v Speaker 4>Do you think there's a pisolde where it's a play

0:55:29.640 --> 0:55:33.520
<v Speaker 4>on multiple different tropes that they all explained they experience.

0:55:33.600 --> 0:55:36.279
<v Speaker 3>So we've seen Tom do the alien, we would get a.

0:55:36.360 --> 0:55:40.239
<v Speaker 4>Riff on the mutated doctor, Like maybe do you think

0:55:40.280 --> 0:55:42.760
<v Speaker 4>it's like a version where they're gonna make it a look.

0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Back at that?

0:55:43.280 --> 0:55:45.040
<v Speaker 3>But I do feel like you're launching a new trilogy,

0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:47.200
<v Speaker 3>so look forward, do something different.

0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:50.520
<v Speaker 5>I would just say, like, based on the trailers, like

0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:52.680
<v Speaker 5>it all does kind of make sense or line up

0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:56.759
<v Speaker 5>with the major beats of the Spider Island Spider Queen

0:55:56.840 --> 0:56:00.719
<v Speaker 5>story because in that there's also the natural mutations and

0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:04.280
<v Speaker 5>this idea of the organic webbing all all that stuff,

0:56:04.920 --> 0:56:07.920
<v Speaker 5>and so to me, like that that is like a

0:56:08.000 --> 0:56:09.719
<v Speaker 5>deeper cut. So it would be interesting for them to

0:56:09.840 --> 0:56:11.719
<v Speaker 5>like go with that storyline and like where do they

0:56:11.760 --> 0:56:14.120
<v Speaker 5>go from there? But then there's also links to Secret Wars,

0:56:14.200 --> 0:56:16.680
<v Speaker 5>so it could make sense because we know Sadie Sink

0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:19.480
<v Speaker 5>is coming back for Secret Wars, So to me, that

0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:21.640
<v Speaker 5>makes more sense in having her be Jean Gray in

0:56:21.719 --> 0:56:23.080
<v Speaker 5>the Spider Man movie, because.

0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:24.320
<v Speaker 7>I'm just like, what is the connection there? How's that

0:56:24.400 --> 0:56:25.680
<v Speaker 7>going to work? But who knows?

0:56:25.800 --> 0:56:27.800
<v Speaker 5>Like that that could be their ultimate swerve, And like

0:56:27.880 --> 0:56:29.520
<v Speaker 5>you said, maybe they are doing that as like a

0:56:29.560 --> 0:56:30.440
<v Speaker 5>backdoor pilot for.

0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:30.960
<v Speaker 7>The X Men.

0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:33.759
<v Speaker 4>I would also say we've seen them take from like

0:56:34.000 --> 0:56:37.000
<v Speaker 4>Infinity Saga for examples, and then make a match.

0:56:37.080 --> 0:56:39.120
<v Speaker 1>In the comics, right, and they mix a match.

0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:43.440
<v Speaker 4>So maybe it's more that someone specifically gives this thing

0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:46.239
<v Speaker 4>to Pete too mutate him, you know, rather than the

0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:48.680
<v Speaker 4>idea of like they're gonna have to stop everyone from

0:56:48.760 --> 0:56:50.799
<v Speaker 4>it being sprayed from the top of the tower, because

0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:52.960
<v Speaker 4>it doesn't look like that's what it is, right, But

0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:55.640
<v Speaker 4>how would that lean into like the hand who we

0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:57.200
<v Speaker 4>know are going to be there and stuff? Jason, do

0:56:57.239 --> 0:57:01.800
<v Speaker 4>you have any big play theories, just like narratively, because

0:57:01.800 --> 0:57:04.560
<v Speaker 4>this has been a crazy production. We've seen the practical

0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:08.319
<v Speaker 4>We know that Daniel that destin, Daniel Craton essentially got

0:57:08.360 --> 0:57:13.040
<v Speaker 4>this after being taken off Doomsday like this movie is,

0:57:13.239 --> 0:57:15.480
<v Speaker 4>and it's gonna introduce this new era of Spider Man

0:57:15.520 --> 0:57:18.320
<v Speaker 4>web but basically getting the first classic Spider Man in

0:57:18.360 --> 0:57:18.840
<v Speaker 4>the MCU.

0:57:19.000 --> 0:57:23.480
<v Speaker 1>What's your big theories or thoughts. My big theory is

0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:26.560
<v Speaker 1>that we is that whoever the villain is, and we've

0:57:26.640 --> 0:57:29.240
<v Speaker 1>seen so we know that the Macgargan's.

0:57:28.640 --> 0:57:29.240
<v Speaker 2>Scorpions in it.

0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:31.640
<v Speaker 1>We know the Tombstone is there, of course, Frank Castle,

0:57:32.280 --> 0:57:37.440
<v Speaker 1>of course, the Hulk. We see Peter fighting the Hand. Yeah, Boomerang, Boomerang,

0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Tarangela Ramrod. Yeah, but none of those even teamed up.

0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:46.360
<v Speaker 1>That's not none of those is like a shot caller.

0:57:47.120 --> 0:57:51.240
<v Speaker 1>Somewhere off that screen, there is a much bigger villain

0:57:51.640 --> 0:57:55.040
<v Speaker 1>and it can't be Doom. Maybe Doom is the guy

0:57:55.120 --> 0:57:57.200
<v Speaker 1>behind the guy, in the same way that the first

0:57:57.280 --> 0:58:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Avengers movie was like the guy Sanos was the guy

0:58:01.280 --> 0:58:05.160
<v Speaker 1>behind the guy, and so there's a guy behind the guy.

0:58:05.360 --> 0:58:07.760
<v Speaker 2>There's a guy whose Doom is.

0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Behind potentially, But who is the main villain of this movie?

0:58:11.680 --> 0:58:15.000
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know who it is, but I'm thinking

0:58:15.120 --> 0:58:17.800
<v Speaker 1>if you are introducing the X Men, maybe it's a

0:58:18.320 --> 0:58:21.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, a Legion. That's just I wish that

0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:22.800
<v Speaker 1>would be so sick.

0:58:23.440 --> 0:58:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Is it Shadow King?

0:58:24.520 --> 0:58:25.240
<v Speaker 1>Is it Legia?

0:58:25.560 --> 0:58:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Is it?

0:58:26.200 --> 0:58:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Is it a major X Men villain to set up

0:58:30.040 --> 0:58:32.440
<v Speaker 1>x men. I don't know, but but I think there

0:58:32.800 --> 0:58:36.560
<v Speaker 1>must be a big bad that is not revealed that

0:58:36.720 --> 0:58:36.920
<v Speaker 1>is a.

0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Huge favor in this movie, and we do have Trammel.

0:58:40.520 --> 0:58:43.200
<v Speaker 4>I was gonna say so, so originally I was hoping

0:58:43.240 --> 0:58:47.240
<v Speaker 4>that they cost Tremmel as that universe as Norman Osborne, right,

0:58:47.480 --> 0:58:49.600
<v Speaker 4>Like we've always had the conversation about the ways Tremul

0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:51.880
<v Speaker 4>would be incredible at that. I have seen that that

0:58:52.000 --> 0:58:55.400
<v Speaker 4>basically saying is going to be like a damage control

0:58:55.480 --> 0:58:59.000
<v Speaker 4>department head. But they mentioned that he's gonna be like

0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:03.200
<v Speaker 4>the general, right, and rumors seem to be that he's

0:59:03.560 --> 0:59:07.160
<v Speaker 4>essentially gonna be they're calling it Bill Metzga. They essentially

0:59:07.200 --> 0:59:11.720
<v Speaker 4>say he's like an anti mutant like agitator. So if

0:59:11.840 --> 0:59:14.680
<v Speaker 4>that is the case, then I would say it's quite

0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:17.400
<v Speaker 4>likely that we're getting Jean Gray. But what it might

0:59:17.480 --> 0:59:21.800
<v Speaker 4>be is that Peter and these mutations start happening, so

0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:25.760
<v Speaker 4>everyone freaks out, and they're not normal mutant mutations, you know,

0:59:25.920 --> 0:59:30.400
<v Speaker 4>they are actually created by something. I'm just I'm really interested,

0:59:30.520 --> 0:59:33.320
<v Speaker 4>like if the kind of if this is where they

0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:36.200
<v Speaker 4>start leading in, I'm not gonna lie. I think having

0:59:36.240 --> 0:59:40.560
<v Speaker 4>a black actor as your main anti mutant agitator when

0:59:40.600 --> 0:59:43.720
<v Speaker 4>the movie is essentially an analogy about civil rights is

0:59:43.760 --> 0:59:44.680
<v Speaker 4>kind of corny, So.

0:59:44.680 --> 0:59:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Hopefully he's playing someone else.

0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:48.200
<v Speaker 4>But I do think it's that time that they need

0:59:48.280 --> 0:59:51.880
<v Speaker 4>to start bringing people in to stoke the anti mutant

0:59:52.000 --> 0:59:55.960
<v Speaker 4>anti hero fires that are gonna be needed to make

0:59:56.000 --> 0:59:57.040
<v Speaker 4>their X Men impactful.

0:59:57.520 --> 1:00:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Predictions for the end of of Brand New Day or

1:00:01.440 --> 1:00:06.760
<v Speaker 1>or Brand New Day or changes quote Jim, Yes, as

1:00:06.800 --> 1:00:09.680
<v Speaker 1>we head into Doomsday Ian, any big predictions.

1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:14.000
<v Speaker 5>I think we're gonna in the post credit scene because

1:00:14.000 --> 1:00:16.000
<v Speaker 5>I think the actual film itself is going to be

1:00:16.040 --> 1:00:18.520
<v Speaker 5>its own, self contained, you know, street level story. But

1:00:18.560 --> 1:00:20.280
<v Speaker 5>I think a post credit scene will see maybe some

1:00:20.400 --> 1:00:23.600
<v Speaker 5>more incursions or you know, we'll see battle World forming

1:00:23.720 --> 1:00:27.160
<v Speaker 5>or something. I think that's going to lead into where

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<v Speaker 5>we'll find Peter in the next time in Secret Wars.

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<v Speaker 5>But I don't think in the actual meat of the

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<v Speaker 5>film there's gonna be too many connections. I think they're

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<v Speaker 5>going to save it for like a post credit scene,

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<v Speaker 5>similar to like what they did with like ant Man

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<v Speaker 5>on the Wasp for example.

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<v Speaker 2>Any idea who the who a villain might be?

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<v Speaker 5>Ian, I think Sadie Sink is going to be the villain,

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<v Speaker 5>but I think it's gonna be a kind of thing

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<v Speaker 5>where she starts out as a villain or antagonist.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Wanda type thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, enemiesnemies because she's got Shadow King influencing her or

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<v Speaker 2>what oh, I mean that would be awesome.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe it comes with a mission that she thinks is

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<v Speaker 4>like an anti Department of Damage Control mission, but it's

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<v Speaker 4>a bit more extreme. Em it's that Brotherhood of Mutant style.

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<v Speaker 4>We're gonna blow ship up and hurt normal people.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like just paying attention to the trailer for

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<v Speaker 2>Brand New Day, there's the scene everyone talks about where

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<v Speaker 2>Peter kind of rips the the door off of that

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<v Speaker 2>containment thing. You see a person and it looks like

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<v Speaker 2>they're possessed, and then the possession jumps to multiple people.

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<v Speaker 2>We know this like Marvel changes their trailers. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>always look exactly there could be something else happening there.

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<v Speaker 2>And from pre movie buzz, it's like Sadie is working

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<v Speaker 2>with John Brett a lot, so like what is their relationship, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know, trying to break her out of like the jail

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<v Speaker 5>in the beginning. I think that's what like the tank

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<v Speaker 5>like chasing, I mean, is at the beginning that show

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<v Speaker 5>in the trailer. I would love that maybe she's controlling

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<v Speaker 5>him too.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Oh that could be.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool, because my biggest worry coming out of One Last Kill.

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<v Speaker 7>Was like another baby girl situation, is trying to get another.

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<v Speaker 4>Baby get you out of it, baby girl, And I

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<v Speaker 4>was worried that potentially that could take Peter basically having

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<v Speaker 4>to take down the violent Punisher could be like a

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<v Speaker 4>really boring opening twenty minutes when they're already allied, like basically.

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<v Speaker 4>So I kind of love the idea that maybe there's

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<v Speaker 4>some kind of manipulation or possession or body jumping or something. Also,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, these movies are essentially sci fi movies, so

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<v Speaker 4>I'm excited to see what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know what the Hand is doing there.

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<v Speaker 3>I get that they're in New York space, but like,

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<v Speaker 3>are we getting electro back?

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<v Speaker 4>Are they here to resurrect people? Is that the villain aspect?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think the Hand's going to be the main

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<v Speaker 4>villain again. We need that manipulating mastermind. But yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>just so interested. I also think biggest status quo change

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<v Speaker 4>I think MJ will know that he's Spider Man and

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<v Speaker 4>that he's Peter Parker by the end of it, like

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<v Speaker 4>they will have concluded that and they will go into

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<v Speaker 4>whatever doing next together and on the run and romantic,

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<v Speaker 4>and then we might see them.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm embarrassed to say I have texted this

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<v Speaker 2>to Rosie, like how uncoored I will feel if Sadie

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<v Speaker 2>is not Jean Gray, because I feel like there's so

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<v Speaker 2>much build up to it. So that is I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>even putting that in predictions because I'm afraid of of

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<v Speaker 2>assuming something and just getting given yes I do, I already, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>very much. But my prediction is at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>this movie, Peter's taken off the board completely. There's there's

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<v Speaker 2>got to be a reason he's not in Doomsday, and

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<v Speaker 2>he is supposedly in Secret Wars. We don't know that

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<v Speaker 2>even that's not even confirmed, but you think is confirmed on.

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<v Speaker 3>Like Battle World in a Spider Island, we do have.

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<v Speaker 2>Some big players who are not confirmed for Doomsday and

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<v Speaker 2>they have to have, you know, some element of give

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<v Speaker 2>this movie stakes. We remove some of the players in

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<v Speaker 2>Doomsday and then we get a couple reserves to help

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<v Speaker 2>fill in for Secret Wars. I think Peter just may

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<v Speaker 2>not show up in Doomsday, and I'm not saying Doom

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna be in brand New Day, although Jason, I

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<v Speaker 2>love your theory that Doom is pulling the strings of

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<v Speaker 2>someone else, and you're right, like all the other Spider

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<v Speaker 2>Man movies, especially the Tom Holland ones, have been so

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<v Speaker 2>made by the villains, whether that be.

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<v Speaker 3>Spider Man thing too with the movie, and he has.

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<v Speaker 2>So many great villains too, so it is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>strange that this movie's promo so far really has had

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<v Speaker 2>no focus on villains.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great point because there's so many iconic Spider

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<v Speaker 3>Man villains.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, So I am like, even this conversation now

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<v Speaker 2>has me trying to think of who might still be

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<v Speaker 2>in the shadows of this movie that we know nothing about.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, my main prediction is that Peter gets taken

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<v Speaker 2>off the board at.

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<v Speaker 1>The end of this movie.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's probably right one lost crazy prediction from

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<v Speaker 4>well question.

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<v Speaker 1>More so for me, we know going into Doomsday, one.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the big reasons I feel like Peter's not in

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<v Speaker 4>it is because he doesn't have a kid, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>we know that that's all about Doom trying to kill

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<v Speaker 4>off the kids or get the kids for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 4>New Avengers, whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I do you think there's a version of this movie.

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<v Speaker 4>Where the status quote ends and obviously they're not gonna

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<v Speaker 4>make them have a team pregnancy. But my first theory

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<v Speaker 4>of Sadie sinc Was that she was made a Parker.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you think there's a version where a different universe

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<v Speaker 4>version of may Day or someone comes through and they

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<v Speaker 4>end up basically having to, you know, Chibby USA Sailor

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<v Speaker 4>Moon style kind of raise a different universes version so

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<v Speaker 4>that they have a reason to kind of be a

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<v Speaker 4>part of that doomsday secret or fight, even if Doom

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<v Speaker 4>isn't bringing them in. I wonder if that's kind of

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<v Speaker 4>the status quot shift because they are both more mature now.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm interested to see where that could go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm with Aaron in that, you know, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>disconnect how I feel about whether Sadie is Jean Gray.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be such a fray.

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<v Speaker 1>She's so good, she deserves to be so. But my

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<v Speaker 1>senses like, I don't it's all been done before with

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Jane, with made it Like even the may Day

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<v Speaker 1>thing is like a reboot of a type of story.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a may Day stuff in the Sony movie. So

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<v Speaker 4>I think, yeah, so less likely, But I do think

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<v Speaker 4>there's a vision. Maybe Penny Parka.

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<v Speaker 3>I just feel like that is a vision. Even they

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<v Speaker 3>could bring a version of Pia's kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that is another Penny feels like another

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<v Speaker 1>thing that they need to strike another deal with. Like

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's how many character that you would then need to,

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<v Speaker 1>like do a new deal about a live action Penny Parker.

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<v Speaker 2>You just can't so it.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it can't be any of those any

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<v Speaker 1>of the Spider Men adjacent Spider Universe people. It's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be somebody that Disney owns that. I just feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it has to be.

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<v Speaker 4>That would be really interesting if we would basically see

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<v Speaker 4>if they do if it is Jean Gray and the

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<v Speaker 4>big question was why would they put her in?

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<v Speaker 1>It will be interesting if we start to.

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<v Speaker 4>See Marvel maneuvering in more of a business sense, in

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<v Speaker 4>that way where they go, Okay, well, this is your

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<v Speaker 4>biggest character of Spider Man. Who can we bring in

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<v Speaker 4>who's bigger? I would be really interested to kind of

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<v Speaker 4>see them start approaching it that way instead of the negotiation,

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<v Speaker 4>how do we work together collaboratively? Way?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Brand New Day is slated for least July thirty five.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say it's like I can't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>see it. I think it's going to be the movie

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<v Speaker 1>of the summer. Coming up, Aaron Ian, thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for joining us. Of course, Coming up next on

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