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Speaker 1: Return of the Avengers with.
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Speaker 4: focusing on everyone's favorite wool crawler and Marvels perennial number
Speaker 4: one character, Spider Man.
Speaker 3: Spider Man, a man does whatever spied it can.
Speaker 4: We're gonna look at the history of the Spider Man
Speaker 4: with the iconic Jason recap of the different movie iterations
Speaker 4: of Spider Man as we know them, then we will
Speaker 4: have them.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be having an.
Speaker 4: MCU debate joined by Ian and Aaron to talk about
Speaker 4: the biggest Spider Man questions, and of course we'll be
Speaker 4: looking ahead to brand new day Doomsday and Secret Wars.
Speaker 1: Right we start in two thousand and two with Spider
Speaker 1: Man directed by Sam Raimi Oh, screenplay by David Coke.
Speaker 3: Game changer.
Speaker 1: Remember the first time you saw that in the cinema,
Speaker 1: I was blown away and I loved it so much.
Speaker 1: This is, of course Toby Maguire Spider Man. We opened
Speaker 1: in Queen's. Peter Parker, mild mannered high school senior lives
Speaker 1: with old old sexy.
Speaker 2: No, this is pre this is.
Speaker 1: Very very old Aunt May, very very wise old Uncle Ben.
Speaker 1: He is in love with the girl next door, Mary Jane.
Speaker 1: He gets bitten by a radioactive spider at a trip
Speaker 1: to the Columbia Genetics Lab, and you know what happens next?
Speaker 1: He gets really strong, he can climb walls. He goes
Speaker 1: to test his powers in an underground wrestling match, fights
Speaker 1: a guy. But what happens next, Rosie tragically, tragically, he
Speaker 1: fails to stop a robber who robs the wrestling match
Speaker 1: of cash because the wrestling from a stole from Peta.
Speaker 1: So I was like, not my problem, it's not my business,
Speaker 1: none of my business.
Speaker 2: Out of it.
Speaker 1: Well, guess what that guy shoots Uncle Ben. Uncle Ben
Speaker 1: dies in pear. Can I just say? Can I just say? He?
Speaker 1: At this point, that's what we know.
Speaker 3: To be true.
Speaker 4: But as we learn, in spite of about three at.
Speaker 1: This point, this is what we really so Peter then
Speaker 1: comes to recognize that with great power becomes great responsibility
Speaker 1: and he gets the suit.
Speaker 2: He puts it on.
Speaker 1: Norman Osborne is his best friend. Is his best friend,
Speaker 1: Harry's dad, Harry Osbourne, Peter's friend.
Speaker 2: Norman.
Speaker 1: Norman takes an unstable supercilsier serum and turns into the
Speaker 1: Green Goblin and tries to kill Peter, but they fight
Speaker 1: and he gets impaled on his own glider and dies.
Speaker 1: But Harry, Peter's friend, blames Peter and Spider Man and
Speaker 1: al Harry is going to become a problem. Atto Octavius,
Speaker 1: brilliant scientist, fuses for autonomous mechanical arms to his final
Speaker 1: column in a in a bizarre fusion experiment, and he
Speaker 1: becomes evil and kind of like even more brilliant than
Speaker 1: he was.
Speaker 4: Because they possess him right, They kind of become a
Speaker 4: symbiotic they add.
Speaker 1: To his brain power or something, but still is there's
Speaker 1: some goodness in him. Peter thinks that and tries to
Speaker 1: like talk him into returning to being a good guy.
Speaker 1: They fight all across the city. It goes badly kind
Speaker 1: of for Peter, but Peter is always believing that Otto
Speaker 1: can become a good guy again, and then to save
Speaker 1: the city, Auto drowns himself. Crazy Peter starts dating MJ
Speaker 1: and things are pretty good. Then Flint Marco escaped convict,
Speaker 1: falls into a particle accelerator and becomes the Sandman. Obviously,
Speaker 1: obviously that's what happened. Turns out guess what, oh my
Speaker 1: he was shot, I'll gole bed.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The original Robert Dennis Karridine was just like the Batman.
Speaker 1: His buddy I got and why did he do it?
Speaker 4: Is because his door was sick and the only way
Speaker 4: to get the money was to shoot Uncle Ben and
Speaker 4: awesothing sad times.
Speaker 1: Also, while this is happening, an alien symbiote has crashed
Speaker 1: oh on a meteor and it finds peerre In. It
Speaker 1: bonds with him, and it turns him into an asshole
Speaker 1: just like in Superman three, and he.
Speaker 2: Becomes a dick.
Speaker 1: He dances down the street, but eventually he finds like
Speaker 1: the internal moral fire to reject the symbio. The symbiote finds.
Speaker 4: Any barrisses Mary Jane doing EMBARRASSADM terrible.
Speaker 1: The symbiote finds Eddie Brocken. They become they become Venom,
Speaker 1: Tarifa Grey's crazy costing Crazy Harry is now the Goblin
Speaker 1: in the Next Goblin, and he dies saving Peter in
Speaker 1: the final fight. Peter mj end up together and that's
Speaker 1: the end of the trilogy until many many many years
Speaker 1: later in the MCU we go to the Amazing Spider Man.
Speaker 1: Uh Any any final thoughts about the I just.
Speaker 3: Want to say they got so much, so much happened
Speaker 3: in this.
Speaker 4: I also want to say us the tradition of X Men,
Speaker 4: where the second one is the like generally seen as
Speaker 4: the best one, right like the you Took It, which
Speaker 4: is very sam Raimi third one actually really fun.
Speaker 3: I still rewatch it.
Speaker 4: It's total trash, has the most like memeable moments. But
Speaker 4: you can tell how much Sam Raimi hates Venom and
Speaker 4: did not want to include him in the.
Speaker 1: Movie did so you can really feel it.
Speaker 4: But I mean, just an incredible run and hard to
Speaker 4: explain to those of you who weren't even born in
Speaker 4: two thousand and two, and I know there's many of
Speaker 4: you listening. I love many people who weren't born in two.
Speaker 1: Thousand and two, Like.
Speaker 4: This was a cultural phenomenon, Like we came out of
Speaker 4: that first movie and we were like, oh shit, they
Speaker 4: could make twenty five of these and we would watch
Speaker 4: them every single month, Like it felt like a comic
Speaker 4: book comes.
Speaker 2: Back to life.
Speaker 1: The first It's hard to explain to people who weren't there,
Speaker 1: what a cultural moment The Spider Man Mary Jane Kiss
Speaker 1: was where she were She's upside down and she like
Speaker 1: pulls the mask up. That was like, we have not
Speaker 1: It's actually like a steamy moment that comic books have
Speaker 1: not touched.
Speaker 4: Again, but movies have not managed to do it, you know,
Speaker 4: like you need to get back there.
Speaker 1: We need to get back there, like and you.
Speaker 4: Know the legendary wet t shirt with the hard nipples
Speaker 4: and the upside down kiss, like the MCU will Kevin
Speaker 4: fight you us at a dro De house if you
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 1: But we need to change that. We need to let
Speaker 1: be sexy.
Speaker 2: Let be sexy. Okay.
Speaker 1: Up next The Amazing Spider Man well late okay, so
Speaker 1: ten years off right, directed by but only like what
Speaker 1: would only like three three years off? End of the
Speaker 1: Lost Right directed by wink wink Mark Webb. I Thought
Speaker 1: Fame a screenplay by James Vanderbilt Alan sergeant and Steve Close,
Speaker 1: different universe, different Peter. His parents, younger Richard and Mary Parker,
Speaker 1: are both scientists working on top secret, oh weird corporate
Speaker 1: potentially defense department type of stuff, and they disappeared when
Speaker 1: he was a kid under mysterious circumstances.
Speaker 4: Crazy that they chose that origin for the parents the spy.
Speaker 1: I always love that. I always it's.
Speaker 4: So crazy, and I always there's a lot of just
Speaker 4: odd choices they make in the amazing movies that I
Speaker 4: think actually age like.
Speaker 1: Me too.
Speaker 3: And I also love that he's like Emo Pete A. Parka.
Speaker 1: He's like cool, he's.
Speaker 4: An inventor, he's a skateboarder, he's like sassy.
Speaker 3: He listens to like indie.
Speaker 1: Rock, so he is cooler. He's dumped of course with
Speaker 1: Aunt May and Uncle Ben. He's he's just kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, a fallout boy, my chemical romance type of guy, skateboarding, etcetera.
Speaker 1: He sneaks into Oscorp on a forged I D to
Speaker 1: investigate what happened to his parents. A spider bites him,
Speaker 1: same old thing. He turns the web this time, though,
Speaker 1: builds his own web shooters in the in the bedroom
Speaker 1: because he's a brilliant engineer. Uncle Ben dies the exact
Speaker 1: same way. Peter lets the thief go, the thief shoots Ben, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 1: He falls in love with Gwen Stacy this time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to put my annoying ass like leftist
Speaker 4: take on this that I think there's always a problem
Speaker 4: with Uncle Ben.
Speaker 1: Why do they always.
Speaker 4: Lean into this ideas or if you let a criminal go,
Speaker 4: they're gonna murder someone. It's like such a stupid plot line,
Speaker 4: But I also get why they do it. I feel
Speaker 4: like that's what I love about the MCU want And
Speaker 4: actually I believe recently Jon Favreau or Kevin Feige actually
Speaker 4: confirmed this. In the MCU universe, Peter is not to
Speaker 4: blame for Uncle Ben's death, and I actually really like,
Speaker 4: of course, but like.
Speaker 3: He's gonna take it.
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna take he's gonna take it. Personally, well,
Speaker 1: Peter's gonna take it. Peter's gonna believe that he's responsible
Speaker 1: because that's yeah exactly. He falls in love with Gwen
Speaker 1: Stacy Emma Stone, who they ended up being in a
Speaker 1: relation in real.
Speaker 3: Life, and the chemistry was crazy.
Speaker 1: It was it was crazy because they realized coming into
Speaker 1: this series that you need that, yes, exactly, Peter Parker's
Speaker 1: love interest. There's gotta be that you can't.
Speaker 4: Also, let's see this happened as well with you know,
Speaker 4: obviously Tom and Zendea movie. It's it's one of those
Speaker 4: like iconic OTP like endgame ships, right. I have to
Speaker 4: say I also find it so funny that they cost
Speaker 4: someone who was one of the most famous redheads in
Speaker 4: the world at this point, Emma Stone, and they cost her,
Speaker 4: and they and they made her a blonde character instead of.
Speaker 1: Making her MJ me too.
Speaker 4: I love it because they also do it a lot
Speaker 4: in comic book movies. This is like a big thing,
Speaker 4: this kind of inversion of like what people are expecting.
Speaker 1: I think it's smart for I think it was smart
Speaker 1: for Emmastone's career. She had had like an eat your
Speaker 1: run as a redhead you gotta switch.
Speaker 4: And she's naturally blonde too, so it was actually kind
Speaker 4: of like a return.
Speaker 3: But I loved that.
Speaker 4: I think that the she brings such a humor and
Speaker 4: like silliness, but also like an emotional maturity.
Speaker 3: It's such a.
Speaker 4: More complex and layered representation of Peter Parker's girlfriend than
Speaker 4: we got in the original Spider Man movies the Toby
Speaker 4: Maguire wants.
Speaker 3: But that's not to be negative.
Speaker 4: I think both Peter and MJ and those are kind
Speaker 4: of flat characters because it's very like old school comic
Speaker 4: book It's like do your thing. This is a lot
Speaker 4: more engaged with the emotional trauma of trying to have
Speaker 4: a double life, which is such a big part of
Speaker 4: Spider Man, and I think that's why this one still hits.
Speaker 1: Kurt Connors, his Peter's father's former colleague, injects himself with
Speaker 1: a reptile DNA because he's missing an army's trying to
Speaker 1: regrow it back, and lizards famously can regrow their limbs.
Speaker 1: He becomes the lizard, which is kind of you know,
Speaker 1: in lizard form. He is still kind of smart, but
Speaker 1: a much more evil version of himself.
Speaker 4: He's like a sick humanoid, like if kill a crook
Speaker 4: was also a super smart scientist, Like.
Speaker 1: It's a Jecculine Heights situation.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, good way of putting it.
Speaker 1: Peter beats him Captain Stacy Gwen. Stacy's police officer dad
Speaker 1: dies in the fight and makes Peter promise to stay
Speaker 1: away from going to keep her safe. Peter breaks the
Speaker 1: promise because he loves that Gwen, Stacy, Max, Dylan and
Speaker 1: Oscorpe electrical engineer falls into a tank of mutated eels
Speaker 1: and becomes electro.
Speaker 2: Harry Osborne, dying of.
Speaker 1: A genetic disease, injects himself with super Soldier spider venom
Speaker 1: and becomes the Green Goblin. There's a final fight in
Speaker 1: the clock tower. Harry drops Gwen and has to make
Speaker 1: a big choice. He shoots a web to catch her,
Speaker 1: but the sudden stop snaps her neck as it catches her,
Speaker 1: and she dies in his arms.
Speaker 4: Gives us one of the funniest moments from any superhero movie,
Speaker 4: which is when he shoots the web and it becomes
Speaker 4: a hand trying to grab her, which is like just
Speaker 4: so bad. I also want to say I criticize Peter
Speaker 4: about this in every version. I need to do it
Speaker 4: again here because my biggest issue, just cininically narratively with
Speaker 4: this choice is this man is constantly just like creating
Speaker 4: a spiderweb trampoline underneath people. Why didn't he do it
Speaker 4: in that moment, Like why did he catch her and
Speaker 4: break the net?
Speaker 1: There was only moments. Yeah, but yes, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: He could have done other things, but there was you know,
Speaker 1: there was he was he had to do two things.
Speaker 1: He was multitasking. He was multitasking. He's a teenage boy.
Speaker 1: I get it. We go to yes, of course.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say one of my other big
Speaker 4: takeaways from because you know me, I rewatch all these
Speaker 4: movies a lot. I rewatch every movie a lot. I
Speaker 4: actually am always really impressed and unsettled. It's not something
Speaker 4: I particularly enjoy. The opening of Amazing Spider Man two,
Speaker 4: where they set up Electro is like so consistently heartbreaking
Speaker 4: because Jamie Fox does such a good job kind of
Speaker 4: creating this like Lona outside a character, and when he
Speaker 4: meets Spider Man and Spider Man like doesn't remember him
Speaker 4: and sees him as a villain.
Speaker 1: There's so much heartbreak.
Speaker 4: It's not fun for me to watch because I find
Speaker 4: myself feeling quite upset. But I do think they really
Speaker 4: created like a much more complicated and sad version of
Speaker 4: like a very out there, silly character, and it was
Speaker 4: nice to see him get to be a bit more
Speaker 4: cool and kind of classical Electro when they did bring
Speaker 4: them all back, you know.
Speaker 1: Captain America Civil War twenty sixteen, the Russo brothers. Tony
Speaker 1: flies to Queens to pick up sophomore in high school,
Speaker 1: fourteen year old Peter Parker, who.
Speaker 2: Has been Spider Man for a little while. Uncle Man
Speaker 2: is dead.
Speaker 1: It may is hot. He has a crush on MJ
Speaker 1: and he idolizes Tony Stark because they're both really into science.
Speaker 1: And Peter is a brilliant scientist, but up and coming scientist,
Speaker 1: and of course Tony Stark is already a scientist. This
Speaker 1: is in the wake of the destruction of at the
Speaker 1: in the kind of climax of Avengers age of Ultron.
Speaker 1: Captain America and his dissonant superheroes are on the run,
Speaker 1: and so Tony needs allies.
Speaker 2: He goes to New York. He gets Peter.
Speaker 1: They fight in the airport at Germany.
Speaker 2: Peter does okay, but.
Speaker 1: And you've got to get fourteen year old well, he's
Speaker 1: really good at what he does, and and Peter Peter
Speaker 1: does okay against the grown up Avengers, but ultimately Cap
Speaker 1: gets away and we go to Spider Man homecoming. Peter's
Speaker 1: back in Queens. He wants to be an Avenger Tony
Speaker 1: won't let him be an Avenger. Adrian Toombs salvage contractor,
Speaker 1: builds a flying suit out of the Chatari scrap technology
Speaker 1: that he's been finding after the Battle of New York
Speaker 1: and selling to various underworld groups. He becomes the Vulture.
Speaker 1: He's been selling alien tech and stuff on the black market.
Speaker 1: Peter investigates. Turns Toombs is the dad of his crush,
Speaker 1: Elizabeth gets buried under a building during the fight classic
Speaker 1: Steve ditko Art. He lifts it off himself. He becomes
Speaker 1: Spider Man. He stops Adrian Tooms. Tony offers Peter a
Speaker 1: spot on the Avengers, like basically as a publicity stunt.
Speaker 1: Peter says no, Tony's proud of him. Peter goes home
Speaker 1: and aunt May finds him in the suit. They go
Speaker 1: to the Fuck Yeah, We go to Infinity War. Peters
Speaker 1: on the bus going to school. He's probably fourteen fifteen
Speaker 1: at this point. He sees the spaceship over Manhattan. He
Speaker 1: goes to figure out what's going on. He swings into
Speaker 1: the fight. Tony tries to send him home. Peter sneaks
Speaker 1: into the air to the spacecraft as it is lifting off,
Speaker 1: and they end up on Titan with Doctor Strange and
Speaker 1: the Guardians of the.
Speaker 2: Galaxy post Iron Man. They fight Thanos.
Speaker 1: They almost win, except so much much win, but Peter
Speaker 1: quill Like gets it and his feelings and he ruins
Speaker 1: it and and Thanos beats them. Go to endgame. Peter
Speaker 1: has been snapped for five years. He's brought back by
Speaker 1: the Avengers after the time heist. The big fight at
Speaker 1: the end of the movie, Thanos gets beaten. Peter has
Speaker 1: some really wonderful moments where he's swinging around with the
Speaker 1: Infinity Gauntlet across the battlefield. We get to see his
Speaker 1: new scarlet Spider suit going to kill mode. But at
Speaker 1: the end of it, his mentor and hero in life,
Speaker 1: Tony Stark, kills himself to snap with the Infinity Gauntlet
Speaker 1: and kill Thanos and put everything you know right in
Speaker 1: the world and destroy the Stones, and Peter goes to
Speaker 1: the funeral Spider Man. Far from home, Peter's grieving the
Speaker 1: loss of his mentor. He goes to a school trip
Speaker 1: to Europe because he wants to cross. He tells MJ
Speaker 1: that he's a crusher. Quentin Beck, a disaffected Stark Industries
Speaker 1: employee with a chip on his Shoulder uses illusion tech
Speaker 1: to fake himself into being this like alien hero from
Speaker 1: an alternate dimension named Mysterio.
Speaker 2: Kind of.
Speaker 1: Deep faking things that will happen eventually in the Marvel universe.
Speaker 1: Nick Fury recruits Peter to do something about this. Peter trusts,
Speaker 1: Peter trusts Beck kind of he gives.
Speaker 3: To He's wait a minute, maybe this guy knows what
Speaker 3: he's doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need an avenger, maybe we need a new
Speaker 1: Tony gives Tony's posthumous gift a pair of glasses called
Speaker 1: Edith with ai access to start Global Servilles weapons talk.
Speaker 4: Why did you give a teenage new clear ways, he's
Speaker 4: not teenager. Give it to your wife, give it to
Speaker 4: Gwyneth Paltrow, your fucking idia.
Speaker 1: He's a child. He's very strange to do that.
Speaker 4: We the gloss and he's sag off like bombs in
Speaker 4: fucking Italy, causing some fucking international incidents.
Speaker 2: He's calling in drone strikes from the bus. Mysterio.
Speaker 1: However, we all know he's a villain. He uses Edith
Speaker 1: to fake an attack on London. Peter takes him down.
Speaker 1: There's some really cool maybe the coolest, like Spider Man,
Speaker 1: a spidy sense moment here Beck is an illusion and
Speaker 1: acts like he's beaten, but really the real Beck is
Speaker 1: invisible and is about to shoot Spider Man in the head,
Speaker 1: but he realizes it and flinches. It's so cool and
Speaker 1: it's a blink if you blink and you'll miss it moment.
Speaker 1: I think it's maybe the best Spidy sense moment in
Speaker 1: the That and the Toby Maguire the car flying.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Peter takes down Mysterio, gets Edith back, kisses everything on
Speaker 1: the bridge. Mysterio in the post credits, releases a doctored
Speaker 1: video framing Peter for his murder and outing his secret
Speaker 1: idea any of the World. J Jonah Jamison gets an
Speaker 1: erection that like bursts through the fucking side of the
Speaker 1: skyscraper of the you know, the Daily Bugle Building, and
Speaker 1: we go into No Way Home. Peter's life is a
Speaker 1: mess in No Way Home. Everybody else, Spider Man, MJ
Speaker 1: and Ned can't get into MI I T because they're
Speaker 1: associated with this mass vigilante. Peter goes to doctor Strange
Speaker 1: and is like, you're a magician. We've worked together closely.
Speaker 1: Can you do some ship where like everybody doesn't know
Speaker 1: I'm strangers like, m that's a very powerful spell you're describing.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting. That's very dangerous. We shouldn't do it,
Speaker 1: but like I'll do it anyway. But yeah, he's like,
Speaker 1: it's kind of fun. So maybe it's kind of fun.
Speaker 2: I've never done.
Speaker 1: Something like this.
Speaker 2: I'd like to say.
Speaker 1: Peter keeps interrupting and fucking it up because hold on
Speaker 1: my memory, but MJ remembering because I'm trying to I'm
Speaker 1: trying to fuck and also Ned, my best red, Ned
Speaker 1: should like remember and Strange like loses focus and he
Speaker 1: loses control of the spell and the spelled us in
Speaker 1: a race every Peter Parker. It pulls in every Peter
Speaker 1: Parker from the various dimensions, entered, Tomy Maguire, enter Andrew Garfield,
Speaker 1: still handsome, oh still, but who also comes?
Speaker 2: It's the villains.
Speaker 1: Norman Osbourne is pulled in from the Spider Man movies
Speaker 1: just before his death. Auto Octavius is also pulled in
Speaker 1: from Spidey two, still with the Arms. Max Dylan Electro
Speaker 1: is pulled in from Amazing Spider Man two, and Connor's
Speaker 1: Lizard is pulled in from Amazing Spider and one. Flint
Speaker 1: Marco the Sandman is pulled in from Spider Man. Now
Speaker 1: Peter with m J and Ned decide he can't just
Speaker 1: send them back to their deaths. Okay, I like it.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that he's going to help them. He's going
Speaker 1: to cure them, such a piece off from all the
Speaker 1: bad things that are happening to them. And you know,
Speaker 1: he truly a heroic moment. He's doing things the hard way,
Speaker 1: which you have to love about. Peter, MG and Ned,
Speaker 1: trying to find Peter, accidentally open a portal with Stranger's
Speaker 1: sling ring through it. Walks Andrew Garfield. Andrew Garfield, amazing
Speaker 1: Spider and Peter. A minute later, Toby Maguire, Peter come in.
Speaker 1: Now there's three Spider Men there, all looking at each other,
Speaker 1: at each other. They work together, They finish the cures together.
Speaker 1: They lure the villains to the Statue of Liberty. They
Speaker 1: fix Norman, they fix Auto, they fix Matt, they fix Kurt,
Speaker 1: they fix Flint. They send them home as the men
Speaker 1: they were before their powers, and to live.
Speaker 2: A normal life. But in the middle of the fight, Norman,
Speaker 2: who has been.
Speaker 4: He's been getting green Goblin inside his skull.
Speaker 1: The green gobblin mask has been speaking to him still,
Speaker 1: and he knocks MJ off the scaffolding. She falls, Tom
Speaker 1: holland Peter is pinned. Andrew Garfield Peter the guy who
Speaker 1: failed to save when catches her, thus closing that loop
Speaker 1: in the line. He cries, He's it's a huge emotional
Speaker 1: moment for him. But the multiverse is still getting fucked up.
Speaker 1: We're seeing an early version of you know, this collapse
Speaker 1: of the multiverse. Strange can't hold the thing together. The
Speaker 1: only fixes a much bigger spell which will make everyone everywhere,
Speaker 1: at every universe forget that Peter Parker was a guy.
Speaker 1: And Peter's like, fine, do it, because we have to
Speaker 1: save the multiverse. He says goodbye to MJ and queens
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'll promise I'll come back for you
Speaker 1: and all this and it hits and it works, and
Speaker 1: that leads us into brand new day and catch us up.
Speaker 1: The beautiful Aunt May, gorgeous Aunt.
Speaker 4: May, she's gone who by the way in in the
Speaker 4: Lost movie and knowing him, she says the real line
Speaker 4: from the comics, which is not with great power comes
Speaker 4: great responsibility, And she says it correctly, And I love
Speaker 4: Marsa Toome and rip to sexy on We Miss You,
Speaker 4: Bring how Back?
Speaker 1: She's gone. She's gone but not forgotten. MJ along with everybody, Ned, etc.
Speaker 1: Have no idea who the fuck Peter is. They've never
Speaker 1: seen who's this guy? He's gone happy, none of the adventures.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows who he is. He's gone, apparently, according to Trailers,
Speaker 1: living a very kind of like marginal existence, like barely
Speaker 1: paying rent, new suit, no nano tech, just cloth suit
Speaker 1: and Peter Parker the classic Spider Man set up. Let's
Speaker 1: take a break when we're back to.
Speaker 2: Talk about Spider Man. And we're back. Please welcome Ian
Speaker 2: to the program. Please welcome Aaron to the program.
Speaker 1: Gentlemen, Hello, your favorite, your favorite portrayal of Peter Parker.
Speaker 2: Let's start with you. Ian.
Speaker 5: I think it's it's a tie for me between or
Speaker 5: it's a toss up between Andrew Garfield and Tom Holland.
Speaker 5: I think they both do different things really well, but
Speaker 5: I think Tom is the best at portraying the like science,
Speaker 5: the genius aspect of of Peter. You know, he's like
Speaker 5: building all the stuff using the stark tech, like making
Speaker 5: all the equipment, especially in No Way Home, where he's
Speaker 5: like doing all those experiments to like save all the
Speaker 5: multiversal villains and they all work together, which is a
Speaker 5: nice moment. But I think the capturing that like angsty
Speaker 5: teen vibe. I think Andrew Garfield was the best at that.
Speaker 5: And then the chemistry he had with Emma Stone too.
Speaker 5: I think that's the best like romantic side of Peter
Speaker 5: Parker that we've seen. It just felt the most believable.
Speaker 6: I was like, this feels like a guy, you know,
Speaker 6: maybe exactly in the trailer, like making each other fucking
Speaker 6: like wooden rocking chairs or whatever.
Speaker 7: You know, I felt it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just I just love It's like
Speaker 1: you cast Andrew Garfield like, listen, he can't be that nerdy,
Speaker 1: we can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's.
Speaker 2: Your favorite spider Man. Favorite Peter Parker not Spider Man, right,
Speaker 2: favorite Peter Parker. I think my favorite Peter might be Toby. Okay,
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 4: You're quite a young fellow to have that opinion. Tell
Speaker 4: us more.
Speaker 2: I think that Toby was just that first time seeing
Speaker 2: it on the big screen, which impacts my viewing of it.
Speaker 2: But I have loved different elements of all of them.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, Ian has a really great point,
Speaker 2: like Garfield does this quippy, kind of depressed, dejected feel
Speaker 2: like pretty well. And I loved how Tom. I love
Speaker 2: Tom's relationship with Ned and MJ, and like him being
Speaker 2: on school field trips. All of that felt so perfect
Speaker 2: for that portrayal of Peter. And then Toby just kind
Speaker 2: of felt like the most like normal, sad, sacky kind
Speaker 2: of guy who's like I got, you know, Joe Manjanello
Speaker 2: or whatever his name pushed me, you know, like in
Speaker 2: many things with Toby where he just like kind of
Speaker 2: got beat up a lot, and that's what it works.
Speaker 2: And I just call him.
Speaker 3: We call him Charlie Brown. Charlie Brown. Peter Parker in
Speaker 3: this House like.
Speaker 2: And just like that first time he realizes he has
Speaker 2: powers is one of the most exciting Spider Man movies.
Speaker 3: But Danny is like, I'm real too, Rosie.
Speaker 2: What about you? Who's your favorite Parker? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I do think I have to.
Speaker 4: I like all of them that I think obviously. Uh,
Speaker 4: you know, Toby was the one I grew up with.
Speaker 4: I saw Andrew in my twenties. I thought that was
Speaker 4: really good. But I am a Tom Holland die Hard
Speaker 4: because I do think for me when I'm reading the
Speaker 4: comics the Peter I care about most, which hasn't been
Speaker 4: around for a long time, Like he's kind of perennially
Speaker 4: in his twenties. Now he's a teacher, he's at college.
Speaker 4: But I love teenage Peter Parky. I wanted to see
Speaker 4: him in school. I want to see him as a.
Speaker 1: Kid who loves his community.
Speaker 4: I think that those movies are the best grassroots like
Speaker 4: street level Spider Man that we've got, and they don't
Speaker 4: play into some of the more trophy pulpy elements like
Speaker 4: the uncle Ben getting killed by the robber who immediately
Speaker 4: becomes a murderer if you let him free, you know.
Speaker 4: Instead we get this like kind of contemporized version, which
Speaker 4: you know, we've talked about this a lot.
Speaker 1: Part of the reason it's so.
Speaker 4: Good is because a lot of it's just stolen from
Speaker 4: Miles Morales ned is gangk That the moment with the
Speaker 4: when they drop the Star Wars lego of the death
Speaker 4: starts directly from Miles's comic, you know, so they took
Speaker 4: a lot, But I do think that for me, like
Speaker 4: that is the best representation because what aside from you know,
Speaker 4: Kamala Kahan and obviously we love her and she was
Speaker 4: Marvel's reinvention of a street level hero.
Speaker 3: Those are the two.
Speaker 4: Like teenagers that we get doing stuff like they could
Speaker 4: be in the Champions team like and also the thing
Speaker 4: I'm most excited about now, it's gonna be you know,
Speaker 4: Mjason college and it's clear and and like Peter and
Speaker 4: they're both in their like nineteen twenties. I want them
Speaker 4: to let them be in love. I want them to
Speaker 4: let mj become hot. I want them to then there
Speaker 4: is like a fucking supermodel, like, let her be that
Speaker 4: version of MJ.
Speaker 1: Let Peter be the bombs just proved to her.
Speaker 4: They've always played her more like the tomboy if you
Speaker 4: actually look.
Speaker 3: They've never had like in the first two movies.
Speaker 4: They've never had her be the face it tiger you
Speaker 4: hit the jackpot.
Speaker 1: But I think they're gonna Dows exactly.
Speaker 3: I think They're gonna let her have the red head.
Speaker 1: Tell me about it, Peter boom boom boom boom. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I I do.
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a.
Speaker 3: Tom Stan after all these years, Jason, what about you?
Speaker 1: Who's your favor?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 1: Tom Holland I think is the best all around. Like
Speaker 1: if you all the all the parts of the pie
Speaker 1: that make up a Peter Parker. He's got the look,
Speaker 1: he's got the quippiness, he's got them, just the boyishness
Speaker 1: that said, he's earnest. I don't think anything can top
Speaker 1: Toby maguire post the bite flexing in the mirror that
Speaker 1: first time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so it was so like.
Speaker 1: The face doesn't match the body first of all. So
Speaker 1: it is shocking and it feels like a real transformation,
Speaker 1: Like it felt so dramatic.
Speaker 4: The first time you see him using like the webs
Speaker 4: to fly through that is unreal, like we had game
Speaker 4: yet we hadn't.
Speaker 1: Flexing his bicep in the mirror and being like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I look like this. It just it was
Speaker 1: such a moment for me. It's the iconic transformation, like
Speaker 1: Peter to Spider Man, the transformation that the embodying the
Speaker 1: powers and making it real and making you feel like
Speaker 1: what he must be feeling like in that moment. And
Speaker 1: so that Spider Man one just has a special place
Speaker 1: in my I love him Spider Man one. I think
Speaker 1: the transformation is is amazing in general. Now, who what's
Speaker 1: our favorite portrayal of Spider Man and this is animated,
Speaker 1: this is live action, This is like.
Speaker 2: In universe. Yeah, any anything multi dimensional.
Speaker 4: Like, I'm not trying to I'm not trying to give
Speaker 4: Shama more like I'm not trying to hand it to
Speaker 4: him because he's It turns out that he's not like
Speaker 4: he's He's been annoying Haley Steinfeld in real life. Not
Speaker 4: Haley oh no, he was bothering Haley Steinfeld who play Spider.
Speaker 2: He was also bothering.
Speaker 4: Time and then Liz Oh no, no, that was after Bibe.
Speaker 4: He's stalked Tailey for like years. Anyway, we don't have
Speaker 4: to concerned.
Speaker 1: I'll just say, like I'm concerned about I want him,
Speaker 1: I want him to have people in his corner.
Speaker 4: But I do think, unquestionably, I think Mars Morales in
Speaker 4: the Spider Use movies is by far the best Spider
Speaker 4: Man we've ever had. I think it captures the street
Speaker 4: level version. I think it captures the notion of the
Speaker 4: coming of age transformation. I think it understands in both
Speaker 4: movies the horror of the loss. I also think it's
Speaker 4: subversive because it questions the nature of do we have
Speaker 4: to allow a tragedy to happen? Do these canon events
Speaker 4: have to happen or can we make the world better?
Speaker 1: What do we do? Do we accept our fate?
Speaker 3: Do we change it?
Speaker 4: I think he is the Spider Man with the most agency.
Speaker 4: He is the Spider Man who impresses the most and
Speaker 4: just visually, I rewatch all of these movies, but I
Speaker 4: think I get the most pleasure and like artistic fulfillment
Speaker 4: when I rewatch those movies, Like every single frame is
Speaker 4: just so stunning. So I think for me, it's just
Speaker 4: that's that's the peak, and I do feel like live
Speaker 4: action Spider Man. And obviously the fact that so much
Speaker 4: was taken from Miles for Tom Holland Spider Man does
Speaker 4: put the MCU in a little bit of a weird
Speaker 4: place when they inevitably bring Miles into the MCU in
Speaker 4: the coming few years.
Speaker 1: So I really want them to capture it.
Speaker 4: But I do think for me, if I'm piging a
Speaker 4: singular Spider Man, even though I love the nineties animated series,
Speaker 4: I love all of our live actions, I think it's
Speaker 4: I think that Miles movie just felt like it changed
Speaker 4: my life when it came out, like as a superhero movie,
Speaker 4: especially in the second one where they fix the eyes
Speaker 4: and they stop using cross my eyes in the middle
Speaker 4: of sentences, and then I was like, this is a
Speaker 4: perfect movie, Ian, how about you?
Speaker 7: This one's tough.
Speaker 5: But because I was initially gonna say, I think my
Speaker 5: favorite portrayal of just Spider Man was Andrew Garfield because
Speaker 5: I feel like he has a kind of like edge
Speaker 5: to him in a way that the others don't cast
Speaker 5: that comes through exactly. He has the best quips, He's
Speaker 5: the funniest by far, I think, and and the web
Speaker 5: swinging I think in his movies was some of the
Speaker 5: best we've seen. I think that might change in Brand
Speaker 5: New Day because I did a lot of practical web
Speaker 5: swinging on map so good. I'm excited to see that.
Speaker 5: So I think I'm leaning Andrew is my favorite portrayal
Speaker 5: of Spider Man we've seen on the big screen. But Rosie,
Speaker 5: you didn't make a really compelling argument with Miles Moralesis
Speaker 5: and movies are so good. But I think I'm gonna
Speaker 5: stick with Andrew because I think he brought the most
Speaker 5: unique portrayal compared to the other ones.
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, Aaron, I'm gonna go with Christopher Daniel
Speaker 2: Barnes Animated Series Spider Man.
Speaker 7: This is the one.
Speaker 2: His voice is what is in my head with every
Speaker 2: Spider Man I read. Partly, you know, he's benefiting from
Speaker 2: having four seasons, so there's so many any stories that
Speaker 2: are told. His character gets to be man Spider, his
Speaker 2: character gets.
Speaker 3: To have the.
Speaker 2: Storyline, he interacts with Doctor Stram, gets made everything. So
Speaker 2: he is my be all and of that for Spider Man,
Speaker 2: both in suit and out suit. But if we're solely
Speaker 2: talking live action, I think Tom Holland, depending on the movie,
Speaker 2: is either my favorite or my least favorite Spider Man,
Speaker 2: and not his fault, not always his fault, but there
Speaker 2: are some things where like I think, uh, Tom Holland
Speaker 2: in Homecoming as well as the second half basically of
Speaker 2: No Way Home, those are my favorites, and I think
Speaker 2: actually Far From Home is maybe my least favorite.
Speaker 4: I think that's a general read because I think that
Speaker 4: was more of a they didn't what to do off.
Speaker 1: I would also say when it comes to.
Speaker 4: Just like someone in a Spider Man suit doing the
Speaker 4: that it is hard to pick like a son and
Speaker 4: just one because I do love Mo's but like I
Speaker 4: also think that introduction of Tom Holland in Civil War
Speaker 4: is maybe one of the coolest character introductions and does
Speaker 4: so much to establish who he is and how sassy
Speaker 4: he is, and how he's not kind of scale young,
Speaker 4: how young, like.
Speaker 1: He's a baby and he's not a fan, but he
Speaker 1: is impressed. Like it's so it's really funny.
Speaker 5: Did you imagine if they didn't put that in the
Speaker 5: trailer and that was a genuine surprise in the theater.
Speaker 5: To this day, I'm still like, oh, I wish I know.
Speaker 5: I understand why they did it. They got to say
Speaker 5: somebody to think about that so much.
Speaker 1: Cinema.
Speaker 4: Well, I was actually gonna say that was something I
Speaker 4: didn't get to say when we were talking about No
Speaker 4: Way Home. But I will say I do think also
Speaker 4: if we're talking about like Ebbs Flows Peaks of the MCU,
Speaker 4: I think that the Three Spider Man, which everybody had
Speaker 4: wanted to happen for a long time, was basically known
Speaker 4: it was going to happen. The cultural impact of that
Speaker 4: and how it played in the cinema even though everybody
Speaker 4: knew it was going to happen, was like at the
Speaker 4: level of endgame. I took my phone to see it
Speaker 4: on the morning it came out at the shitty little starlight,
Speaker 4: like tiny, not not stadium seating, like it's one of
Speaker 4: my favorite movie the is, but it's all flat, dude.
Speaker 4: People lost that ship. But my favorite part was like
Speaker 4: at some point somebody showed up I can't remember who
Speaker 4: it was, like Crossbones or something, and somebody went, it's
Speaker 4: the Punisher, and that was like my favorite pot.
Speaker 2: It was like the people, who's your favorite Spider Man,
Speaker 2: spider Man, Spider Man?
Speaker 1: My favorite Spider Man Spider Man. If I had to
Speaker 1: go overall, I'm gonna go with Peter B. Parker depressed
Speaker 1: spot Yes, and then live action. I Tolmy Maguire Spider Man.
Speaker 1: I think is I still think some of the I
Speaker 1: love Tom Holland as well. Overall, I also happened to
Speaker 1: believe that nothing has topped the way slinging spider gymnastics
Speaker 1: of the first two Sam Raimi Spider.
Speaker 2: Manka and I need that. I want the new Spider
Speaker 2: Man to up their game.
Speaker 7: This is a tie.
Speaker 1: This is a cheat.
Speaker 4: Hairckert on that because like it's not a movie, but
Speaker 4: I did want to include and Jason kind of touches
Speaker 4: on it because of what one of the things I
Speaker 4: think was so great about it. I do want to
Speaker 4: know about that first Spider Man game, Oh yeah, because
Speaker 4: like when that came out, so experience playing and swinging
Speaker 4: through the city was so crazy. And I have to
Speaker 4: say I loved the voice of Peter that they created
Speaker 4: in that, and I loved the interactions with his friends,
Speaker 4: and I love the fact that we got to know
Speaker 4: more about what what means things to him, you know,
Speaker 4: the food bank and like obviously the mysteries and getting
Speaker 4: to see everything.
Speaker 1: I loved in the second one where they kind of.
Speaker 4: Evolved the radio to be that you were getting like
Speaker 4: tips from your friends instead of following the cops.
Speaker 1: Like I love that.
Speaker 4: I also felt like somebody who loves the you know,
Speaker 4: Batman Arkham games. That is also probably like my favorite
Speaker 4: version of Peter that we've gotten to see as like
Speaker 4: a combat fighter, because there's so much incredible gameplay and
Speaker 4: combat in that game that we really get to see
Speaker 4: that gymnastic side of him, but in a way you
Speaker 4: in an extended way you don't get to see in
Speaker 4: a movie, like we're rarely going to get.
Speaker 1: Like a forty five minute Spider Man action sequence. It's
Speaker 1: just not how movies are made.
Speaker 4: But we got to experience that side of Peter's abilities
Speaker 4: in that game, and I thought they also balanced it
Speaker 4: with like a fun voice and the empathy in the heart.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to shout out that one too.
Speaker 2: Take a break, We'll be right backupter this with more
Speaker 2: predictions for Spider Man. Yeah, and we're back.
Speaker 1: Okay, So as we head into doomsday, which we don't
Speaker 1: know what Peter's fate really is gonna be at the
Speaker 1: end of brand New Day, but I think we can
Speaker 1: say anecdotally from the trailer view numbers that Spider Man
Speaker 1: is far and away the most popular Marvel thing current
Speaker 1: just nothing else that is this. So what is the move?
Speaker 1: Because of course this is a co production with Sony,
Speaker 1: and it seems like both studios are incentivized to keep
Speaker 1: this rolling. But I'm sure Disney would love it if
Speaker 1: it was one of their wholly owned properties that was
Speaker 1: kind of the flagships. So, like, how does Disney and Marvel,
Speaker 1: how do they manage a world in which their most
Speaker 1: popular property is not the big question that they fully
Speaker 1: own and have full control of, Like.
Speaker 3: What do they do? I So I do think that's
Speaker 3: like a clear answer for this. And I've always said
Speaker 3: that and I do think it's where it's going to go.
Speaker 1: So I think that you're totally right, Jason.
Speaker 4: You touch on the craziest thing, which is, ever since
Speaker 4: Spider Man was introduced, that has perennially been Marvel's like
Speaker 4: top tier A list character. That's why they were able
Speaker 4: to license the rights to Sony and make money, and
Speaker 4: all these movies made so much money. I think that
Speaker 4: what Marvel is going to have to do is they
Speaker 4: have to move past Peter Parker because they actually my
Speaker 4: understanding is, while you know Sony has licensing to create
Speaker 4: a Mars Morale's animated movie, my understanding is that part
Speaker 4: of the reason that the Sony deal happened anyway was
Speaker 4: because Marvel knew that legally they could make a Mars
Speaker 4: Morale's movie that didn't have the word Spider Man in
Speaker 4: the title and still make a movie about Mars Morales
Speaker 4: being Spider Man. I think that eventually, when the MCU
Speaker 4: introduces Mars Morales, if they can do what Spider Verse
Speaker 4: did with freshness with tone, they could have their own
Speaker 4: non central to the story.
Speaker 3: Peter Parker, who was can I push back?
Speaker 1: Please? Do I think if I'm in the I don't
Speaker 1: know the marketing or the accounting division. I'm saying, why
Speaker 1: if this movie makes a billion zillion bucks Brand New Day, Yes,
Speaker 1: we would all love a Miles Morales, but it's unproven
Speaker 1: in live action.
Speaker 2: Why we can't kill Peter.
Speaker 1: No, No, they do both. I there is Miles.
Speaker 4: I think Peter is Miles is mentor in the Sony movies,
Speaker 4: and then in Disney they just I.
Speaker 1: Don't think that they will do that. I think they
Speaker 1: will say, let's introduce Miles and see how it goes,
Speaker 1: and then if we feel like it's working, we can
Speaker 1: think about somehow handing off to Miles.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think that's how
Speaker 3: they think.
Speaker 1: These studios are way too risk averse to be like,
Speaker 1: Peter is making us billions of dollars, Okay, you can
Speaker 1: just have him back, and we'll just do Miles, an
Speaker 1: unproven guy.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: Because because I don't think that they're ever gonna like
Speaker 4: Sony's never gonna own Spider Man, right, that's an ongoing
Speaker 4: licensing deal, and Marvel owns Miles Morales just like it
Speaker 4: owns Spider Man.
Speaker 3: I think it's just about how the percentages are gonna
Speaker 3: be split.
Speaker 4: Up as it goes forward because Sony pays to make
Speaker 4: the current Spider Man movies, which works out for the MCU, right,
Speaker 4: because they're paying for them and the MCU makes with
Speaker 4: us money, but they get to use the Tom Holland
Speaker 4: Spider Man. It's like, it's really interesting, and I do
Speaker 4: think that they are going to have to continue doing it,
Speaker 4: but I do think Marvel is probably consistently thinking how
Speaker 4: do we not do that? I also wonder if what
Speaker 4: do you think about this? This is like a this
Speaker 4: is a fan theory based on what we think about
Speaker 4: the licensing, Right. We used to talk about this kind
Speaker 4: of stuff in the comics a lot. But like, do
Speaker 4: you think there's a version where if the MCU just
Speaker 4: has Tom Holland not as Spider Man, but as Peter Parker,
Speaker 4: like in the E for example, Peter Parker's teaching at
Speaker 4: the X Mansion, Right, it could work if they only
Speaker 4: have him in there.
Speaker 3: Do you think they don't have to pay Sony anything
Speaker 3: because it's not Spider Man.
Speaker 4: Like, do you think there's a version where they can
Speaker 4: just have pizza they just like refer to him, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and they just don't have him really be a present
Speaker 4: Spider Man in the MCU side, do they get to
Speaker 4: use him. I'm interested in those kind of machinations and
Speaker 4: like negotiations because a lot of times it is about
Speaker 4: the character name or what thing they first appeared in,
Speaker 4: and that's why you're allowed to use them. So I'm
Speaker 4: interested in that.
Speaker 2: Regardless of how the money would break out, I think
Speaker 2: fans would be upset too much after the first time
Speaker 2: that Parker shows up and never swings and never shoots away.
Speaker 2: It would that would not last. And I think I'm
Speaker 2: I'm actually opposed to you, Rosie, and that I think
Speaker 2: Marvel should do the gy honis Onto Takoumpo method. You
Speaker 2: hire Zendea for three more movies. You hire Tom's little
Speaker 2: brother Harry to have a role in the upcoming movies.
Speaker 2: You you get everyone, You just get Tom to day
Speaker 2: in that role. I know Miles is a huge comics character.
Speaker 2: Spider Bruse movies are huge, But the MCU has failed
Speaker 2: on all these handoffs going forward so far. They yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think that they're going to be gun shy
Speaker 2: about trying to roll off of the one thing that
Speaker 2: has consistently hit since endgame. So I think that they're
Speaker 2: going to try to keep Tomminsenda and this as long
Speaker 2: as possible.
Speaker 4: Well, and that is precedent of Zendea having powers or
Speaker 4: becoming you know, Jackpot or Spider Woman or whatever version.
Speaker 4: So if they really wanted to build them in as
Speaker 4: the forefront of the movies going forward, they could do
Speaker 4: that for like another ten years.
Speaker 1: So here's where we stand now with the licensing. Sony
Speaker 1: made Brand New Day, Marvel Co produces, it's distributed by
Speaker 1: Sony Hollins. Peter Parker can appear in MCU films, which
Speaker 1: is why the doomsday question is open and this deal is.
Speaker 3: Gone because he's been in Civil War and all those rights.
Speaker 1: The twenty five seventy five split and Brand New Day
Speaker 1: is the start of a new trilogy. So Holland is
Speaker 1: confirmed for the next two films that are being planned,
Speaker 1: Miles Morale now Miles Morales. There was a twenty eleven
Speaker 1: amendment to the Sony license agreement which made uh.
Speaker 2: This came out during the fucking.
Speaker 1: North Korea at It was so crazy to work in
Speaker 1: a comic bookshop around the time of the Sony League.
Speaker 1: The specific test for whether a New Spider Man character
Speaker 1: falls under the Sony rights or Disney's and apparently Miles
Speaker 1: as a Spider Man falls under Sony. So Sony owns
Speaker 1: Miles Morales for live action, Marvel does not.
Speaker 2: They'd have to forge a new deal.
Speaker 4: Forge alow and that was allegedly, allegedly was something that
Speaker 4: was also negotiated and possibly given to Marvel, given to
Speaker 4: Sony by Marvel so that Marvel could put Pete Paka
Speaker 4: in that.
Speaker 1: So a live action Miles Morales movie would be a
Speaker 1: Sony movie unless they strike some other deal. Now, last year,
Speaker 1: Kevin Feiey confirmed publicly that Sony has explicitly told Marvel
Speaker 1: to stay away from Miles Morales. Don't not mentioned don't
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 7: That's what we've heard until they finished the spy Verse trilogy.
Speaker 1: Right, Basically, Yeah, that's what we sa Fig said.
Speaker 2: We've been told to stay away.
Speaker 1: And the reason is pretty straightforward obviously because of like
Speaker 1: the yes beyond the Spider Verse stuff. So once that's
Speaker 1: over though, well all of which is to say that's
Speaker 1: a new that's a new deal. Now do they roll
Speaker 1: Miles in under the same deal as Spider Man or
Speaker 1: do they try and renegotiate a different deal. I think
Speaker 1: if you're an ass I think of your I think
Speaker 1: of your Disney Legal, which they have like the most,
Speaker 1: like insane killers like that. I think you say, hey,
Speaker 1: we love Miles Morales. In no way, shape or form,
Speaker 1: as popular as Miles is, does his popularity come anywhere
Speaker 1: close to Spider Man's. So it's got to be a
Speaker 1: differently shaped deal. I think that will be part of
Speaker 1: what the conversation.
Speaker 4: I also think Sony is probably specifically holding off to
Speaker 4: see if beyond the Spider Verse can make a billion
Speaker 4: dollars or whatever you dream of as the biggest release,
Speaker 4: and then you can.
Speaker 1: Go to Marvel and go So what was that about?
Speaker 1: You know, Miles I as an asshole?
Speaker 6: Goal?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's animated.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I mean I agree, like it's I I
Speaker 4: agree with you, Like I'm not saying what Disney's business
Speaker 4: is gonna say.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying what I think. I think the whole
Speaker 1: thing is.
Speaker 4: Like so interesting because it is the only one because
Speaker 4: of the Sony leaks where we do still get these
Speaker 4: like funny emails or information dumps or easy to find
Speaker 4: stuff that for so long was just rumored about these deals.
Speaker 3: So it is really interesting.
Speaker 4: I just don't know, I think Marvel probably has a
Speaker 4: legal team every single day whose job it is is
Speaker 4: just trying to get them the ability to not pay
Speaker 4: Sony to make a Spider Man movie.
Speaker 1: Ian, what do you think they do with if they
Speaker 1: could bring in Miles Ian and Aaron? How do they
Speaker 1: do it and is it a standalone Miles or is
Speaker 1: it as part of like a Spider Men like half
Speaker 1: like the Batman's stable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, family type situation.
Speaker 5: Like how do they how do they do it in
Speaker 5: I think the way to introduce him would be like
Speaker 5: during or after Secret Wars. You know, we have like
Speaker 5: a multiversal situation. I think you can have the two
Speaker 5: Spider Man coexist in that like mentor student role. But
Speaker 5: I think we should it should it should be more
Speaker 5: than like a one film thing. I think over the
Speaker 5: course of maybe like two or three films, there's that
Speaker 5: transition and then maybe in that final one, you know,
Speaker 5: Tom can can phase.
Speaker 2: Out and then we have exactly and then we have Miles.
Speaker 5: Become the mainline Spider Man. I think that's the way
Speaker 5: to do it, like a gradual transition, not like one movie.
Speaker 7: Boom, We're done.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: In the comics there was this kind of everyone thought
Speaker 4: Pete was dead, but Miles was the only one who
Speaker 4: knew he wasn't dead, and he was his mentor that period,
Speaker 4: and that is like a really interesting space that I
Speaker 4: think that kind of leaning towards Aaron. What would you
Speaker 4: do if you were bringing Miles over? Or do you
Speaker 4: think that's like not even interesting to you?
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting. I think that I am worried
Speaker 2: if maybe this is just me being a little more
Speaker 2: pessimistic about things. The animated movies are so good. Let
Speaker 2: them continue to be great. Let them be their thing.
Speaker 2: I like them existing in their pocket Matt Reeves Batman
Speaker 2: esque universe where that doesn't touch the MCU. I'm totally
Speaker 2: fine with that. I don't want Oscar Isaac spider Man
Speaker 2: twenty ninety nine to show up in Secret Wars, right.
Speaker 3: Like I also don't want unless it was animated, I
Speaker 3: would be happy to stay.
Speaker 2: That could interesting, and I'm gonna it will depend a lot.
Speaker 2: I think how Sadie Sink is handled in Brand New.
Speaker 4: I was gonna that was gonna be my next big question.
Speaker 4: How does the Sadie Sink of it all? If she
Speaker 4: is Jean Gray, how does that change what they do?
Speaker 1: With Spider Man.
Speaker 3: Is that how the mc was trying to create this
Speaker 3: like mutant offshoot where they don't have to do stuff
Speaker 3: with Sony, Like, what do you think about that, Aaron?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if if Spider Man is here to play
Speaker 2: some sort of mentoring role to young mutants like Sadie
Speaker 2: as Jean Gray, then that will be a really good
Speaker 2: way to introduce them the X Men set them up
Speaker 2: to be kind of the cornerstone of the MCU, but
Speaker 2: also give us this moment of hey, Tom has or
Speaker 2: like Peter played by Tom has been mentored by Iron Man.
Speaker 2: Now he's kind of working concurrently with the X Men,
Speaker 2: who are sort of a similar age, and then he
Speaker 2: can evolve into the role where he is the true
Speaker 2: mentor two Miles. I don't think we need to rush
Speaker 2: to get Miles and like into live acctually. They did
Speaker 2: it right, Yes, the rush, Yeah, let me It's okay.
Speaker 1: Await, Jason, I want to know that. What do you
Speaker 1: think the Sadie Sink Jean Gray of it all?
Speaker 4: Like, how do you think that what is MCU's play
Speaker 4: if they are really introducing her there? Do you think
Speaker 4: it is about kind of trying to re establish that
Speaker 4: balance of like, Okay, sure Peter Parker is in our
Speaker 4: stuff sometimes, but we're gonna put an X Men in
Speaker 4: your stuff?
Speaker 1: Like is it a power play? Like what do you
Speaker 1: feel like?
Speaker 4: Or are they just trying to say, hey, we also
Speaker 4: have these other more popular characters, because the X Men
Speaker 4: are perennially they're more famous team in common.
Speaker 1: Well, I think they're doing something really smart, which is
Speaker 1: you're using you know, like a like a hit TV
Speaker 1: show being used as a lead in for a new team.
Speaker 1: They're using Spider Man as the lead in for the
Speaker 1: X Men, and and I think that's really wise. I
Speaker 1: also think that there is there's weirdly precedent, you know,
Speaker 1: like the eighties there was a Spider Man and his
Speaker 1: Amazing Friends in which Spider Man is man. I love that,
Speaker 1: like best friends with Ice Iceman, Bobby Drake and Angelica
Speaker 1: Jones Firestar and they just like run around those three.
Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense that those three would.
Speaker 4: Be Bonka's like to sell toys choices, but what really well,
Speaker 4: and maybe that works again, I also think there's another
Speaker 4: listen Geen Gray, in both the comics and in the
Speaker 4: movies into varying degrees of success has been depicted as
Speaker 4: this character who who doesn't fully know herself, which kind
Speaker 4: of mirrors what Peter.
Speaker 2: Is going through.
Speaker 1: So I do wonder if there's like a double a
Speaker 1: double kind of thing going where nobody knows who Peter
Speaker 1: Parker is and Jean Gray knows her either because she's
Speaker 1: from another dimension or because she's been cut off from
Speaker 1: her powers or Charles Xavier wiped everybody's memory of her,
Speaker 1: and they are both dealing with this nobody knows who.
Speaker 3: We are smart I take a lot so and so
Speaker 3: where does that go?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I do think that we end
Speaker 1: up in a place where Spider Man is more attached.
Speaker 2: To the X Men than he is in the comics.
Speaker 1: That's why I feel like the mutation aspect.
Speaker 4: Also, I will also ask you I was gonna ask
Speaker 4: you guys this we but we like in pre pro
Speaker 4: and in the kind of recent such for this, looking
Speaker 4: at a lot of the rumors and stuff, obviously we
Speaker 4: saw the Green Jackal like Mini Keg. So people are
Speaker 4: asking is the Jackal going to be in it? Do
Speaker 4: you guys think that the mutation element is going to
Speaker 4: be like a forced mutation? Do you think that like
Speaker 4: we're going to have a Spider Queen kind of like
Speaker 4: trying to mutate the city like Spider Island, Like, do
Speaker 4: you think that it's just going to be this notion
Speaker 4: of a natural evolution, some kind of secondary mutation for him.
Speaker 1: What route do you think they're going to go?
Speaker 4: Because if they add it as being a natural secondary mutation,
Speaker 4: then he really would be an essentially a mutant in
Speaker 4: this universe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ian Aaron, what do you think?
Speaker 5: I think based on the trailers and kind of looking
Speaker 5: at the comics history of like Spider Queen and Spider Island,
Speaker 5: as you mentioned Rosie, just for any listeners who are
Speaker 5: not familiar with that, At ARC the broad Strokes is
Speaker 5: there's a mutant Adrianasra aka the Spider Queen. She has
Speaker 5: telepathic powers and she wants to mutate all the citizens
Speaker 5: of New York into like Spider like creatures. The Jackal,
Speaker 5: who's also like a geneticist and villain, helps her do that,
Speaker 5: and so I think basically be.
Speaker 3: A good like he would be like a good cut
Speaker 3: Connors Riff in this world.
Speaker 2: Like, but that's my problem is it we did we
Speaker 2: did the lizard trying to make everyone lizards and they
Speaker 2: joke about it in no way home, like, why would
Speaker 2: you do the very next Spider Man movie is just
Speaker 2: a playoff of that a storyline you already did.
Speaker 4: Do you think there's a pisolde where it's a play
Speaker 4: on multiple different tropes that they all explained they experience.
Speaker 3: So we've seen Tom do the alien, we would get a.
Speaker 4: Riff on the mutated doctor, Like maybe do you think
Speaker 4: it's like a version where they're gonna make it a look.
Speaker 1: Back at that?
Speaker 3: But I do feel like you're launching a new trilogy,
Speaker 3: so look forward, do something different.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I would just say, like, based on the trailers, like
Speaker 5: it all does kind of make sense or line up
Speaker 5: with the major beats of the Spider Island Spider Queen
Speaker 5: story because in that there's also the natural mutations and
Speaker 5: this idea of the organic webbing all all that stuff,
Speaker 5: and so to me, like that that is like a
Speaker 5: deeper cut. So it would be interesting for them to
Speaker 5: like go with that storyline and like where do they
Speaker 5: go from there? But then there's also links to Secret Wars,
Speaker 5: so it could make sense because we know Sadie Sink
Speaker 5: is coming back for Secret Wars, So to me, that
Speaker 5: makes more sense in having her be Jean Gray in
Speaker 5: the Spider Man movie, because.
Speaker 7: I'm just like, what is the connection there? How's that
Speaker 7: going to work? But who knows?
Speaker 5: Like that that could be their ultimate swerve, And like
Speaker 5: you said, maybe they are doing that as like a
Speaker 5: backdoor pilot for.
Speaker 7: The X Men.
Speaker 4: I would also say we've seen them take from like
Speaker 4: Infinity Saga for examples, and then make a match.
Speaker 1: In the comics, right, and they mix a match.
Speaker 4: So maybe it's more that someone specifically gives this thing
Speaker 4: to Pete too mutate him, you know, rather than the
Speaker 4: idea of like they're gonna have to stop everyone from
Speaker 4: it being sprayed from the top of the tower, because
Speaker 4: it doesn't look like that's what it is, right, But
Speaker 4: how would that lean into like the hand who we
Speaker 4: know are going to be there and stuff? Jason, do
Speaker 4: you have any big play theories, just like narratively, because
Speaker 4: this has been a crazy production. We've seen the practical
Speaker 4: We know that Daniel that destin, Daniel Craton essentially got
Speaker 4: this after being taken off Doomsday like this movie is,
Speaker 4: and it's gonna introduce this new era of Spider Man
Speaker 4: web but basically getting the first classic Spider Man in
Speaker 4: the MCU.
Speaker 1: What's your big theories or thoughts. My big theory is
Speaker 1: that we is that whoever the villain is, and we've
Speaker 1: seen so we know that the Macgargan's.
Speaker 2: Scorpions in it.
Speaker 1: We know the Tombstone is there, of course, Frank Castle,
Speaker 1: of course, the Hulk. We see Peter fighting the Hand. Yeah, Boomerang, Boomerang,
Speaker 1: Tarangela Ramrod. Yeah, but none of those even teamed up.
Speaker 1: That's not none of those is like a shot caller.
Speaker 1: Somewhere off that screen, there is a much bigger villain
Speaker 1: and it can't be Doom. Maybe Doom is the guy
Speaker 1: behind the guy, in the same way that the first
Speaker 1: Avengers movie was like the guy Sanos was the guy
Speaker 1: behind the guy, and so there's a guy behind the guy.
Speaker 2: There's a guy whose Doom is.
Speaker 1: Behind potentially, But who is the main villain of this movie?
Speaker 1: And I don't know who it is, but I'm thinking
Speaker 1: if you are introducing the X Men, maybe it's a
Speaker 1: I don't know, a Legion. That's just I wish that
Speaker 1: would be so sick.
Speaker 2: Is it Shadow King?
Speaker 1: Is it Legia?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it a major X Men villain to set up
Speaker 1: x men. I don't know, but but I think there
Speaker 1: must be a big bad that is not revealed that
Speaker 1: is a.
Speaker 2: Huge favor in this movie, and we do have Trammel.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say so, so originally I was hoping
Speaker 4: that they cost Tremmel as that universe as Norman Osborne, right,
Speaker 4: Like we've always had the conversation about the ways Tremul
Speaker 4: would be incredible at that. I have seen that that
Speaker 4: basically saying is going to be like a damage control
Speaker 4: department head. But they mentioned that he's gonna be like
Speaker 4: the general, right, and rumors seem to be that he's
Speaker 4: essentially gonna be they're calling it Bill Metzga. They essentially
Speaker 4: say he's like an anti mutant like agitator. So if
Speaker 4: that is the case, then I would say it's quite
Speaker 4: likely that we're getting Jean Gray. But what it might
Speaker 4: be is that Peter and these mutations start happening, so
Speaker 4: everyone freaks out, and they're not normal mutant mutations, you know,
Speaker 4: they are actually created by something. I'm just I'm really interested,
Speaker 4: like if the kind of if this is where they
Speaker 4: start leading in, I'm not gonna lie. I think having
Speaker 4: a black actor as your main anti mutant agitator when
Speaker 4: the movie is essentially an analogy about civil rights is
Speaker 4: kind of corny, So.
Speaker 1: Hopefully he's playing someone else.
Speaker 4: But I do think it's that time that they need
Speaker 4: to start bringing people in to stoke the anti mutant
Speaker 4: anti hero fires that are gonna be needed to make
Speaker 4: their X Men impactful.
Speaker 1: Predictions for the end of of Brand New Day or
Speaker 1: or Brand New Day or changes quote Jim, Yes, as
Speaker 1: we head into Doomsday Ian, any big predictions.
Speaker 5: I think we're gonna in the post credit scene because
Speaker 5: I think the actual film itself is going to be
Speaker 5: its own, self contained, you know, street level story. But
Speaker 5: I think a post credit scene will see maybe some
Speaker 5: more incursions or you know, we'll see battle World forming
Speaker 5: or something. I think that's going to lead into where
Speaker 5: we'll find Peter in the next time in Secret Wars.
Speaker 5: But I don't think in the actual meat of the
Speaker 5: film there's gonna be too many connections. I think they're
Speaker 5: going to save it for like a post credit scene,
Speaker 5: similar to like what they did with like ant Man
Speaker 5: on the Wasp for example.
Speaker 2: Any idea who the who a villain might be?
Speaker 5: Ian, I think Sadie Sink is going to be the villain,
Speaker 5: but I think it's gonna be a kind of thing
Speaker 5: where she starts out as a villain or antagonist.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Wanda type thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, enemiesnemies because she's got Shadow King influencing her or
Speaker 2: what oh, I mean that would be awesome.
Speaker 4: Maybe it comes with a mission that she thinks is
Speaker 4: like an anti Department of Damage Control mission, but it's
Speaker 4: a bit more extreme. Em it's that Brotherhood of Mutant style.
Speaker 4: We're gonna blow ship up and hurt normal people.
Speaker 2: I mean, like just paying attention to the trailer for
Speaker 2: Brand New Day, there's the scene everyone talks about where
Speaker 2: Peter kind of rips the the door off of that
Speaker 2: containment thing. You see a person and it looks like
Speaker 2: they're possessed, and then the possession jumps to multiple people.
Speaker 2: We know this like Marvel changes their trailers. They don't
Speaker 2: always look exactly there could be something else happening there.
Speaker 2: And from pre movie buzz, it's like Sadie is working
Speaker 2: with John Brett a lot, so like what is their relationship, you.
Speaker 5: Know, trying to break her out of like the jail
Speaker 5: in the beginning. I think that's what like the tank
Speaker 5: like chasing, I mean, is at the beginning that show
Speaker 5: in the trailer. I would love that maybe she's controlling
Speaker 5: him too.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Oh that could be.
Speaker 3: Cool, because my biggest worry coming out of One Last Kill.
Speaker 7: Was like another baby girl situation, is trying to get another.
Speaker 4: Baby get you out of it, baby girl, And I
Speaker 4: was worried that potentially that could take Peter basically having
Speaker 4: to take down the violent Punisher could be like a
Speaker 4: really boring opening twenty minutes when they're already allied, like basically.
Speaker 4: So I kind of love the idea that maybe there's
Speaker 4: some kind of manipulation or possession or body jumping or something. Also,
Speaker 4: I mean, these movies are essentially sci fi movies, so
Speaker 4: I'm excited to see what that means.
Speaker 1: I want to know what the Hand is doing there.
Speaker 3: I get that they're in New York space, but like,
Speaker 3: are we getting electro back?
Speaker 4: Are they here to resurrect people? Is that the villain aspect?
Speaker 4: I don't think the Hand's going to be the main
Speaker 4: villain again. We need that manipulating mastermind. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: just so interested. I also think biggest status quo change
Speaker 4: I think MJ will know that he's Spider Man and
Speaker 4: that he's Peter Parker by the end of it, like
Speaker 4: they will have concluded that and they will go into
Speaker 4: whatever doing next together and on the run and romantic,
Speaker 4: and then we might see them.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm embarrassed to say I have texted this
Speaker 2: to Rosie, like how uncoored I will feel if Sadie
Speaker 2: is not Jean Gray, because I feel like there's so
Speaker 2: much build up to it. So that is I'm not
Speaker 2: even putting that in predictions because I'm afraid of of
Speaker 2: assuming something and just getting given yes I do, I already, yeah,
Speaker 2: very much. But my prediction is at the end of
Speaker 2: this movie, Peter's taken off the board completely. There's there's
Speaker 2: got to be a reason he's not in Doomsday, and
Speaker 2: he is supposedly in Secret Wars. We don't know that
Speaker 2: even that's not even confirmed, but you think is confirmed on.
Speaker 3: Like Battle World in a Spider Island, we do have.
Speaker 2: Some big players who are not confirmed for Doomsday and
Speaker 2: they have to have, you know, some element of give
Speaker 2: this movie stakes. We remove some of the players in
Speaker 2: Doomsday and then we get a couple reserves to help
Speaker 2: fill in for Secret Wars. I think Peter just may
Speaker 2: not show up in Doomsday, and I'm not saying Doom
Speaker 2: is gonna be in brand New Day, although Jason, I
Speaker 2: love your theory that Doom is pulling the strings of
Speaker 2: someone else, and you're right, like all the other Spider
Speaker 2: Man movies, especially the Tom Holland ones, have been so
Speaker 2: made by the villains, whether that be.
Speaker 3: Spider Man thing too with the movie, and he has.
Speaker 2: So many great villains too, so it is kind of
Speaker 2: strange that this movie's promo so far really has had
Speaker 2: no focus on villains.
Speaker 3: That's a great point because there's so many iconic Spider
Speaker 3: Man villains.
Speaker 2: Right right, So I am like, even this conversation now
Speaker 2: has me trying to think of who might still be
Speaker 2: in the shadows of this movie that we know nothing about.
Speaker 2: But yeah, my main prediction is that Peter gets taken
Speaker 2: off the board at.
Speaker 1: The end of this movie.
Speaker 4: I think that's probably right one lost crazy prediction from
Speaker 4: well question.
Speaker 1: More so for me, we know going into Doomsday, one.
Speaker 4: Of the big reasons I feel like Peter's not in
Speaker 4: it is because he doesn't have a kid, right, Like,
Speaker 4: we know that that's all about Doom trying to kill
Speaker 4: off the kids or get the kids for whatever reason,
Speaker 4: New Avengers, whatever.
Speaker 1: I do you think there's a version of this movie.
Speaker 4: Where the status quote ends and obviously they're not gonna
Speaker 4: make them have a team pregnancy. But my first theory
Speaker 4: of Sadie sinc Was that she was made a Parker.
Speaker 4: Do you think there's a version where a different universe
Speaker 4: version of may Day or someone comes through and they
Speaker 4: end up basically having to, you know, Chibby USA Sailor
Speaker 4: Moon style kind of raise a different universes version so
Speaker 4: that they have a reason to kind of be a
Speaker 4: part of that doomsday secret or fight, even if Doom
Speaker 4: isn't bringing them in. I wonder if that's kind of
Speaker 4: the status quot shift because they are both more mature now.
Speaker 4: I'm interested to see where that could go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with Aaron in that, you know, I can't
Speaker 1: disconnect how I feel about whether Sadie is Jean Gray.
Speaker 2: It's going to be such a fray.
Speaker 1: She's so good, she deserves to be so. But my
Speaker 1: senses like, I don't it's all been done before with
Speaker 1: Mary Jane, with made it Like even the may Day
Speaker 1: thing is like a reboot of a type of story.
Speaker 4: It's a may Day stuff in the Sony movie. So
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, so less likely, But I do think
Speaker 4: there's a vision. Maybe Penny Parka.
Speaker 3: I just feel like that is a vision. Even they
Speaker 3: could bring a version of Pia's kid.
Speaker 1: I feel like that is another Penny feels like another
Speaker 1: thing that they need to strike another deal with. Like
Speaker 1: that's that's how many character that you would then need to,
Speaker 1: like do a new deal about a live action Penny Parker.
Speaker 2: You just can't so it.
Speaker 1: I feel like it can't be any of those any
Speaker 1: of the Spider Men adjacent Spider Universe people. It's got
Speaker 1: to be somebody that Disney owns that. I just feel
Speaker 1: like it has to be.
Speaker 4: That would be really interesting if we would basically see
Speaker 4: if they do if it is Jean Gray and the
Speaker 4: big question was why would they put her in?
Speaker 1: It will be interesting if we start to.
Speaker 4: See Marvel maneuvering in more of a business sense, in
Speaker 4: that way where they go, Okay, well, this is your
Speaker 4: biggest character of Spider Man. Who can we bring in
Speaker 4: who's bigger? I would be really interested to kind of
Speaker 4: see them start approaching it that way instead of the negotiation,
Speaker 4: how do we work together collaboratively? Way?
Speaker 1: Well, Brand New Day is slated for least July thirty five.
Speaker 1: I want to say it's like I can't wait to
Speaker 1: see it. I think it's going to be the movie
Speaker 1: of the summer. Coming up, Aaron Ian, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us. Of course, Coming up next on
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