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Speaker 1: It's a football weekend, Stephen. How are you doing today,

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Speaker 1: brother man? We're doing great. Just fired up about kicking

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Speaker 1: There a really good football team, and I got a

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a big challenge for us. Stephen. We

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Speaker 1: that we're all excellent gems. As you know, we're armchair gms.

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Speaker 1: But as you let's before we talk about the players

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Speaker 1: How do you I want something like that. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: feel like that too, because you're certainly you know how

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Speaker 1: hopefully we'll be having a great show next week, and

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Speaker 1: All right, awesome stuff. There he goes the great Stephen Jones,

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Speaker 1: COO of the Dallas Cowboys,