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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do a lot to get to you this morning.

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Speaker 1: We had the final GOP debate last night. It's a

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Speaker 1: It was I think it was actually the best of

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Speaker 4: Also, we have a lot of updates coming out of Israel.

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Speaker 4: By Trump right now.

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Speaker 1: So let's talking about talk about that as well. We

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Speaker 2: And so with that, let's actually get to the GOP debate.

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Speaker 2: What were the highlights the low lights? What do you

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Speaker 2: actually need to take away from this? And the top

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Speaker 2: line is that vivig Ramaswami Ron DeSantis spent a decent

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Speaker 2: portion of their time attacking Nicki Haley because of her

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Speaker 2: rise in the polls. Destantus in particular using his very

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Speaker 2: first answer to go after Nicki's showing that she really

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Speaker 2: importantly the donor money. So we put together some of

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Speaker 2: the attacks from the very first fifteen to twenty minutes

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: Her donors, these Wall Street liberal donors, they make money

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Speaker 5: in China. They are not going to let her be

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Speaker 5: She will not stand up for you. She said, one

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Speaker 5: and understandably so, because it'd be a massive expansion of government.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't about the Parents' Rights and Education bill. It

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Speaker 5: was about prohibiting sex change operations on minors. They do

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Speaker 5: puberty blockers. These are irreversible. Talk to Chloe Cole, she

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Speaker 5: went through this. Now she's an adult. She's warning against it.

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Speaker 5: She may never be able to have kids again. That

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Speaker 5: is what Nicki Haley opposed. She said the law shouldn't

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Speaker 6: That is the truth we're talking about that transition and

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Speaker 6: Nikki Heally's campaign launch video sounded like a woke Dylan

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Speaker 6: At the first debate, she said that only a woman

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Speaker 6: And I think that that's where people need to know.

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Speaker 6: Niki is corrupt. This is a woman who will send

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Speaker 3: This is the problem.

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Speaker 6: Using identity politics more effectively than Kamala Harris is a

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Speaker 3: And actually needstand there's.

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Speaker 6: Our donor puppet masters wielding their puppet right up here tonight.

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Speaker 6: This is how this game is played. The puppet masters

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Speaker 7: And in terms of these donors that are supporting me,

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Speaker 7: But I'm not gonna sit there until.

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Speaker 3: And Matt Crystal is the absolute state of where we are.

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Speaker 2: Who's bragging about Wall Street donors switching support? Genuinely grotesque,

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Speaker 2: But thank you to our team, by the way, they

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Speaker 2: was DeSantis and Vivek DeSantis more so suffering because Americans

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Speaker 2: were prosperity that coke back organization endorsing Nicki Haley and

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Speaker 1: And this is most of all an existential threat to

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Speaker 1: to Ron DeSantis because he decided he's going to run

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Speaker 1: We covered previously how that super pack is now in

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Speaker 1: Moving to Nicki, this is a major issue for him

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Speaker 1: she's one hundred percent accurate when she's like, well, actually

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Speaker 4: You're just jealous.

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Speaker 1: Yes, My overall read of this debate was I thought

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Speaker 1: I think because they know this is the last debate,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it was no mystery to Nikki that she

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Speaker 1: I think rond de Santis, who in previous debates has

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I exactly, she's got the money.

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Speaker 2: DeSantis was not comfortable at all coming out hitting her

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Speaker 2: and there were some ideological fissures that did open up

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Speaker 2: there was a very long exchange on Ukraine, which we're

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Speaker 3: In a couple of things.

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Speaker 2: Viveg asked Nikki Haley to name three oo blasts inside

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Speaker 2: So there were blows exchanged in every direction, and this

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen. We'll give you our reaction on

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Speaker 3: the other side. It takes an outsider to see this through.

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Speaker 3: Look at the blank expression.

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Speaker 6: She doesn't know the names of the prophecies that she

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Speaker 6: wants to actually fight for. And there's a company movie donors,

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Speaker 8: Let me just say something here, you know, his reasonable

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Speaker 3: Not to have a relationship with China. Let me tell

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Speaker 3: you something that's no reasonable.

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Speaker 8: Yes, it's exactly what you said. You do this at

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Speaker 8: every debate. I did interrupt you. Okay, you say this,

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Speaker 8: You do this. You do this at every debate. You

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Speaker 8: go out on the stuff and you say something. All

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Speaker 8: of us see it on video.

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Speaker 3: We confront you out on the debate stage.

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Speaker 8: You say you didn't say it, and then you back away,

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Speaker 8: And I want.

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Speaker 3: To say, I'm not done yet. Well this is look.

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Speaker 8: Say something. This is the fourth debate, the fourth debate

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Speaker 8: that you would be voted in the first twenty minutes

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Speaker 8: as the most not just blow hard in America.

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Speaker 3: Want to say something else.

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Speaker 8: We're now twenty five minutes into this debate, and he

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Speaker 8: has insulted Nicki Haley's basic intelligence, not her positions, her

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Speaker 8: basic intelligence. She doesn't know regions. She wouldn't be able

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Speaker 3: So do everybody a favor.

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Speaker 5: Look, father time is undefeated. I don't know how he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is the thing, you Trump is not

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Speaker 2: even really affirmatively running. He is like the anti candidate

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Speaker 2: in that he's the bulwark on which the liberals attack,

442
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Speaker 2: and so because people hate liberals, they support Trump. Yeah,

443
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Speaker 2: actually saw I need to see. There was a clip

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Speaker 2: from Tucker Carlson where he said, quote, I became an

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Speaker 2: active Trump supporter when they rated mar Lago last summer.

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Speaker 2: That just can't stand I'm voting for Trump and that

447
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Speaker 2: I actually thought that was the perfect crystallization of why

448
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Speaker 2: people support him within the GOP and why the mar

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Speaker 2: a Lago raid if anything, really sealed his fate as

450
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Speaker 2: the GOP nominee. They're like, if the FBI is going

451
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Speaker 2: after him, we have to support. It's nothing positive everything,

452
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Speaker 2: it's just people who we don't like are persecuting him.

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Speaker 3: Thus we need to do this.

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Speaker 2: Also, why DeSantis is a central thesis around why he's like,

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Speaker 2: I'm the guy who get things done. It's like, dude,

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Speaker 2: I wish we lived in that world. People do not

457
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Speaker 2: Primary voters at least do not care about that. Yeah,

458
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Speaker 2: one iota. They don't care about that. That's the central

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Speaker 2: They also don't believe it. Yeah, they don't think that

460
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Speaker 2: he good's and effective. They don't think he didn't get

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Speaker 2: anything done. I mean, probably the best argument for Rond

462
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Speaker 2: de Santis was like the electability one, which he can't

463
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Speaker 2: even make anymore because Donald Trump is winning like every poll.

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Speaker 2: So people, if there was even a question at any point,

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Speaker 2: which I was never convinced that it was that strong

466
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Speaker 2: of an argument anyway, but if there was even a

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Speaker 2: question at any point of his electability, that shop has sailed.

468
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Speaker 2: So you know, I mean, it's also like a bed

469
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Speaker 2: of their own making. All of these people spent years

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Speaker 2: never criticizing Trump, never calling out when when he was

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Speaker 2: failing to get things done, when he was failing to

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Speaker 2: keep promises that were important to them or report to

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Speaker 2: the Republican base, and so now to turn around and

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Speaker 2: be like, well, actually his term in office was a disaster.

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Speaker 2: I just didn't really say so at the time. Again,

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Speaker 2: people aren't going to really believe you when you were

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Speaker 2: singing a different tune for so many years. So in

478
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Speaker 2: a sense, you know, they've sort of put themselves in

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Speaker 2: this box.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: And then finally we had to end on this because

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Speaker 2: this is on the Hayley side. People do forget how

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Speaker 2: authoritarian this woman really can be. There were moments around

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Speaker 2: anonymity online and all that, and there's a lot to

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Speaker 2: be said about that, but listen to what she lays

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Speaker 2: out about the censorship regime. On Israel that she would

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Speaker 2: enact if she were president. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: If this had been the KKK that was doing protest

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Speaker 7: on those campuses, every one of those college presidents would

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Speaker 7: have been up in arms. This is just as bad

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Speaker 7: the idea that they would go and allow that kind

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Speaker 7: of pro hamas protest, or agree with the genocide of

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Speaker 7: Jews and try and say that they needed context on that.

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Speaker 7: There is no context to that. This is what we

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Speaker 7: need to do to deal with it. First of all,

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Speaker 7: we have got to get foreign money out of our universities.

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Speaker 7: You've got air of money, You've got Chinese money, You've

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Speaker 7: got others. We need to go to every university and

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Speaker 7: say you either take foreign money or you take American money.

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Speaker 7: But the days of taking both are over. The second

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Speaker 7: thing we need to do. The second thing we need

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Speaker 7: to do is we need Biden made a mistake not

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Speaker 7: including anti Zionism in the definition of anti semitism. If

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Speaker 7: you don't think that Israel has a right to exist,

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Speaker 7: that is anti Semitic. We will change the definition so

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Speaker 7: that every government, every school has to acknowledge the definition.

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Speaker 4: For what it is.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we will change the definition so that every

509
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Speaker 2: school has to acknowledge what it is. That's basically a

510
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Speaker 2: national BDS law, which has already at the state level.

511
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Speaker 2: Crystal been struck down in Georgia when Abby Martin successfully

512
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Speaker 2: went against him, not stopping her though, from saying that.

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Speaker 3: So, between the anonymity online.

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Speaker 2: The calls for war with Iran, the censor to the

515
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Speaker 2: mass like censorship regime here in terms of compelled speech

516
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Speaker 2: on campus, there's quite a bit going on. And as

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Speaker 2: Crystal said, I am doing a monologue about this, I

518
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Speaker 2: have quite a bit disabled.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just like a pure authoritary instincts

520
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Speaker 1: like I'm going to divide, I'm going to devise what

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Speaker 1: speech is acceptable and what speech isn't acceptable. I know

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Speaker 1: I've said this a million times, but Zionism is a

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Speaker 1: political ideology. Okay, it's a political ideology. We have to

524
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Speaker 1: be able to critique any political ideology. And it doesn't

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Speaker 1: make you a racist, it doesn't make you an anti

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Speaker 1: semi In fact, quite the opposite. To insist that every

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Speaker 1: Jewish person must be a Zionist is in fact incredibly

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Speaker 1: anti semitic. To paint with the broad brush of any

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Speaker 1: demographic group is like the definition of bigotry and racism.

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Speaker 1: So that's part of why I find this incredibly disgusting.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it raises many Jewish people who have opposed

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Speaker 1: Zionism or had a critique of Zionism, etc. So it's

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Speaker 1: it's completely insane, and it's insane. I know you're going

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Speaker 1: to get into this soger, but I just have to say, like,

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Speaker 1: first of all, it's such a fake moral panic too.

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Speaker 1: They don't even point to speci cific examples of people

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Speaker 1: that the things that people actually said on college campuses,

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Speaker 1: and for this to be your primary focus while what

539
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Speaker 1: is going on in Gaza is going on in Gaza,

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Speaker 1: it's so clearly designed to distract from the horrors that

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Speaker 1: people are seeing unfolding in front of their eyes. So

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Speaker 1: it just it's discussed me on every level, And especially

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Speaker 1: because the Republican Party spent so much time pretending to

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Speaker 1: be against cancel culture and in favor of free speech,

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Speaker 1: and then like that they turn on the dime and

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Speaker 1: are ready to be as authoritarian as they possibly can

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Speaker 1: in service of their own political ideology. At least Nikki

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Speaker 1: Haley here she also said this insane thing that we

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Speaker 1: were both laughing about, how being on TikTok makes you

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Speaker 1: seventeen percent more anti Semitic.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, what the hell? Or prohomas that's what it was.

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Speaker 2: For every thirty minutes they spend on TikTok, you become

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Speaker 2: seventeen percent more What.

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Speaker 4: Hell are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: Yes, race is back.

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Speaker 2: So I found out it traces back to some fake

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Speaker 2: study made of like thirteen hundred people of people who

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Speaker 2: spent time on TikTok at the time that they were

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Speaker 2: then served what is what the researcher is classified as

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Speaker 2: quote unquote pro Hamas and or pro Palestinia content.

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Speaker 3: So that is the root of this idiocy.

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Speaker 2: I actually twittered this morning cristal studies show every thirty

563
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Speaker 2: minute spent listening to Nikki Haley, you become one hundred

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Speaker 2: and seventeen percent.

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Speaker 4: So check that that checks out.

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Speaker 3: Now that checks out.

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Speaker 1: I actually I saw that study you're talking about, and

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Speaker 1: they can. Of course, they conflated like anti semitism with

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Speaker 1: just being yes pro Palestinian are having a critique of Zionism,

570
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Speaker 1: and in Nikki Haley's brain, apparently, if you're you know,

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Speaker 1: anti Zionist, you're also anti Semitic. So that's where this

572
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Speaker 1: complete absurdity comes from instead of just looking very clearly

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Speaker 1: at the demographic numbers and going, oh, a lot of

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Speaker 1: young people are on TikTok, and guess what. Young people

575
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Speaker 1: don't agree with your decades of propaganda on this conflict,

576
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Speaker 1: and that's what's actually going on here. But that you

577
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Speaker 1: could have such words come out of your mouth and

578
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Speaker 1: not realize how preposterous and absurd they.

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Speaker 4: Are is disgraceful.

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Speaker 1: She just drives me crazy on every level, Like her

581
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: policy is terrible, but it makes the right. She's completely

582
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Speaker 1: corrupt to do whatever the donors want her to do,

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Speaker 1: and so it disgusts me to see the way that

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Speaker 1: they're all lining up behind her arms happy to see

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Speaker 1: your take on some water here. Do I think it'll

586
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Speaker 1: stop her? You know, marginal rise in the polls.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 4: And this is the last thing that I'll say.

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Speaker 1: I've been thinking more about because previously I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think DeSantis this is probably still true, but he'll

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Speaker 1: probably stick around through Iowa. If he loses, Io will

592
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Speaker 1: probably drop out. I do think that there's a possibility

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Speaker 1: that he drops before that. And here's why I was

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Speaker 1: thinking about, you know, Pete Bootagie in that moment when

595
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Speaker 1: Obama calls and everybody circles away and everybody drops out

596
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Speaker 1: except for Elizabeth Warren very conveniently, and that's how they're

597
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Speaker 1: able to hand the nomination to Joe Biden. They're not idiots,

598
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Speaker 1: you know, the donor class of Republican Party, or you know,

599
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Speaker 1: even liberal donors like Reid Hoffman, who are just very

600
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Speaker 1: anti Trump.

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Speaker 4: They realize that if they have multiple.

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Speaker 1: Trump opponents in the race, this is a problem for them,

603
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Speaker 1: and any prayer they have of defeating defeating him as

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Speaker 1: a GOP nominee is shot if they've got even just

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Speaker 1: Ron and Nicky still hanging out in the race. And

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Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis is very dependent for his political future on

607
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Speaker 1: whatever that donor class thinks about him. So they definitely

608
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Speaker 1: do have some leverage with him. So it's not crazy

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Speaker 1: to me to imagine they don't have a kingmaker the

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Speaker 1: way that the Democratic Party has Obama. But it's not

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Speaker 1: crazy for me to imagine some group of donors getting

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Speaker 1: together behind the scenes pressuring him, you know, providing some

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Speaker 1: sort of incentive for Okay, after you've done with governor,

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Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna you know, what we've got

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Speaker 1: lined up for you. These are the types of things

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Speaker 1: that will be possible for you or you could get

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Speaker 1: this gig in a potential Nicky Haley administration or whatever.

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Speaker 1: It's not crazy for me to imagine that that could happen,

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Speaker 1: because he is dependent on them, both for a political

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Speaker 1: future and also for a private sector future after he's done,

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Speaker 1: you know, being governor.

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Speaker 3: Soide I could see you too. It's certainly possible, certainly possible.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go ahead and move on to the

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Speaker 1: very late out of Israel. So go ahead and put

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Speaker 1: these pictures up on the screen. What we're hearing is

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Speaker 1: that there is a plan to flood the Hamas tunnels.

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Speaker 1: You can see these sort of like you know, big

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Speaker 1: tube hoses whatever being attached from the sea and run

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Speaker 1: along the shore here. And this is something that has

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Speaker 1: been reported. There are a lot of problems with this.

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Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: who are sounding alarms about the way that using the

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Speaker 1: sea water to flush out the tunnels could harm Gaza's

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Speaker 1: fresh water for generations. Multiple academics saying this, because I

635
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Speaker 1: mean this makes sense. You have basically one sweetwater aquifier

636
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Speaker 1: that Gaza has access to already. It has been pumped

637
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Speaker 1: effectively dry. It's already been contaminated with seawater, so it's

638
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Speaker 1: basically brackish at this point. So already it's not in

639
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Speaker 1: great shape. If you additionally pump all of this seawater

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Speaker 1: into these tunnels and it further contaminates that aquifier, you

641
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Speaker 1: could really be in trouble in terms of the water

642
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Speaker 1: supply in Gaza for years and years to come. There's

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Speaker 1: another issue here, which is counterpoints reported on the fact

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Speaker 1: that some of the hostages who have been released at this.

645
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Speaker 4: Point just went in on Netanyahuo's.

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Speaker 1: Screaming at him for not doing more to get them out,

647
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Speaker 1: for the fact that they're ignorant of where they're being held,

648
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Speaker 1: for how much risk they were exposed to that they

649
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Speaker 1: actually said, we were terrified that we were going to

650
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Speaker 1: get killed by an IDF bomb, and then you're going

651
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Speaker 1: to blame it on Humas. So one of the concerns

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Speaker 1: here I'll just read from you. Swiman says, my husband

653
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Speaker 1: was separated from us three days before we returned to

654
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Speaker 1: Israel and taking to the tunnels, and you're talking about

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Speaker 1: washing the tunnels with seawater, You're shelling the root of

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Speaker 1: tunnels in the exact area where they are, an unidentified

657
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Speaker 1: former hostage told officials in that private meeting on Tuesday.

658
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Speaker 1: So effectively, they're saying, you have no idea where that

659
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Speaker 1: hostages are. You've never had any idea where the hostages

660
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Speaker 1: are being held. And if you're talking about drowning these

661
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Speaker 1: tunnels in seawater, you are putting them at extreme risk

662
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Speaker 1: at this point. So that's one of the dynamics that's

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Speaker 1: playing out.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I would point to here sober

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Speaker 1: and let's put this up on the screen is Human

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Speaker 1: Rights Watch has now documented via satellite imagery that Israel

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Speaker 1: has raised orchards, They've destroyed greenhouses, they've destroyed farmland, all

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Speaker 1: in northern Gaza. This has been raised since the beginning

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Speaker 1: of Israel's ground invasion, compounding concerns of dire food insecurity

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Speaker 1: and loss of livelihood. And you can see those satellite

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Speaker 1: images of this agricultural land in the greenhouses and the

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Speaker 1: way that's now completely been destroyed. And you know, no

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Speaker 1: justification has been given for this in terms of, oh,

675
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Speaker 1: this is Hamas is hiding in the greenhouse or whatever.

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Speaker 1: It seems to track more with that report from nine

677
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Speaker 1: to seven to two about how the real goal is

678
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Speaker 1: to shock quote unquote the civilian population and hope that

679
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Speaker 1: maybe they'll turn on Hamas if things get hard enough

680
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Speaker 1: for them. So destroying the groundwater, destroying the orchards and

681
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Speaker 1: farmland and greenhouses, etc. Is very consistent with that approach

682
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Speaker 1: that has now been documented at this point about what

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Speaker 1: Israel's real goals are right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the orchard thing actually attracts It's interesting.

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Speaker 2: So Kissinger's death has prompted me to go back and

686
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Speaker 2: reread a lot of stuff on Vietnam, and there's actually

687
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Speaker 2: quite a lot of parallels between the initial actions of

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Speaker 2: the United States and Vietnam nineteen sixty four through sixty

689
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Speaker 2: six before the mass infusion of ground invasions during.

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Speaker 3: The bombing campaign.

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Speaker 2: The bombing campaign on North Vietnam and on South Vietnamese

692
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Speaker 2: territory that was against Vietcong was built on one strategy.

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Speaker 2: We're going to have US advisors, They're not going to

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Speaker 2: be directly engaged in ground combat. We're going to bomb

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Speaker 2: the North Vietnamese population into either submission, degrade them militarily,

696
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Speaker 2: and then we're also going to target as much of

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Speaker 2: the countryside of South Vietnam as possible that the VC

698
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Speaker 2: are using so that the population will rise up against

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Speaker 2: the VC and join the South Vietnamese.

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Speaker 3: Does anybody want to guess how that turned out?

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Speaker 2: And that was similar campaign in terms of the bombing,

702
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Speaker 2: in terms of what type of targets were selected, both

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Speaker 2: military and civilian. And what most reminded me of it though,

704
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Speaker 2: was the over reliance on air power and the under

705
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Speaker 2: reliance on any sort of sustainable strategic policy. For people

706
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Speaker 2: who want to check my work, you can go and

707
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Speaker 2: read all the debates inside the Johnson administration at that

708
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Speaker 2: time when they weren't lying to our faces, they actually

709
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Speaker 2: were admitting some of this behind the scenes, and it

710
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Speaker 2: is eventually the failure of that strategy is exactly why

711
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Speaker 2: President Johnson unfortunately decided to send hundreds of thousands of

712
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Speaker 2: American troops there and go in a different direction. But

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Speaker 2: the point being that the bombing to compel the population

714
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Speaker 2: itself and specifically to try and get the population to

715
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Speaker 2: turn on the VC or the North Vietnamese to turn

716
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Speaker 2: against their regime did not work, actually at all.

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Speaker 1: Not only did it not work there harden their support,

718
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Speaker 1: it has literally never worked. And we skip forward to

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Speaker 1: b five actually to give you a sense of the

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Speaker 1: scale of destruction that we're talking about here. This is

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Speaker 1: the Financial Times tar sheet. So they did an analysis.

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Speaker 1: The headline is military briefing the Israeli bombs reigning on Gaza.

723
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Speaker 1: Devastation of Northern Gaza comparable to Allied bombing campaign of

724
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Speaker 1: German cities.

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Speaker 4: So in Northern.

726
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Speaker 1: Gaza, approximately sixty eight percent of buildings have been damaged.

727
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Speaker 1: For comparison, in Dresden, which has been brought up a

728
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Speaker 1: lot in which Netanyahu has used, by the way, is

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Speaker 1: justification for their indiscriminate bombing campaign, something like fifty nine

730
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Speaker 1: percent of the buildings were damaged during that infamous bombing.

731
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Speaker 1: And just as in you know Vietnam, as you're discussing Saga,

732
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Speaker 1: where it did not turn the population on, you know,

733
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Speaker 1: the rulers there, same thing in Germany. There was an

734
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Speaker 1: idea that by bombing these cities and hitting the civilians

735
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Speaker 1: and causing them pain and inflicting damage on civilian infrastructure,

736
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Speaker 1: that the population would turn on the Nazis. What political

737
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Speaker 1: scientists have documented is that it had the exact opposite effect.

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Speaker 1: Same thing when the Germans bombed London. Yes, that was

739
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Speaker 1: Part of the idea there too, was that they would

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Speaker 1: demoralize the civilian population. Same thing with Russia bombing Ukraine,

741
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Speaker 1: bombing Kiev, etc. The idea was, oh, this will demoralize

742
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Speaker 1: the population and maybe they'll turn on Zelenski.

743
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Speaker 4: Guess what.

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Speaker 1: It has never worked. It has the polar opposite impact.

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Speaker 1: It causes people to rally around the flag and whoever

746
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Speaker 1: the ruling class happens to be, and so in Gaza.

747
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Speaker 1: And this gets back to you know, the key point

748
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Speaker 1: about what Israel is doing here. I mean, the keykey

749
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Speaker 1: point is the horrific loss of civilian life, which is

750
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Speaker 1: just unbelievable to watch unfolding before your eyes. But even

751
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Speaker 1: if you put that aside, the strategy is completely stupid

752
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Speaker 1: and ahistorical. There is no doubt at this point that

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Speaker 1: they have already even if you accept their best estimates

754
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Speaker 1: of how many Hamas fighters they have killed, they have

755
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent created more support for Hamas, more potential

756
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Speaker 1: Hamas recruits.

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Speaker 4: Than they have been able to destroy. They claim they've

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Speaker 4: taken out.

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Speaker 1: This is a new claim, by the way, five thousand

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Speaker 1: Hamas fighters.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's true, maybe it's not.

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Speaker 1: They have killed at this point close to twenty thousand individuals.

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Speaker 1: There is no doubt we saw the polling coming out

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Speaker 1: of the West Bank. The West Bank is different from Gaza,

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Speaker 1: but even in the West Bank, support for Hamas's skyrocketing.

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Speaker 1: So if your goal is actually to undercut Hamas, you

767
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Speaker 1: have to drive a wedge between Hamas and.

768
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Speaker 4: The civilian population.

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Speaker 1: You have to give the civilian population some hope that

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Speaker 1: there is some sort of process that's going to lead

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Speaker 1: to a better outcome without this violent terrorist resistance group.

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Speaker 4: And this has created the polar opposite impact at this point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I basically agree with all of.

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Speaker 2: That, and that's what the Alba been saying and here

775
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Speaker 2: from the very beginning, and I think that they're going

776
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Speaker 2: to fall into the same trap that we eventually fell

777
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Speaker 2: into in Vietnam, which is you're going to end up

778
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Speaker 2: spending in the troops anyway, if you're Israel, or you

779
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 2: can abandon the mission you have either you are very

780
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Speaker 2: likely going to do that, and you should have done

781
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Speaker 2: it in the beginning, because then you.

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Speaker 3: Probably could have avoided all of this in the first place.

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Speaker 2: Hamas also has been releasing some combat footage which highlights

784
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Speaker 2: something we've also been trying to show people from the beginning.

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Speaker 2: This might also be why Israel's reluctant to commit more

786
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Speaker 2: of their forces to the ground. Urban combat is a

787
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Speaker 2: full blown nightmare. Now, let's be clear here. What we're

788
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Speaker 2: about to show you are Hamas videos there, but we

789
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Speaker 2: also showed you.

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Speaker 3: Right up Hamas propaganda.

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Speaker 2: However, we don't have too many journalists who are on

792
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Speaker 2: the ground there embedded with are these troops? Is the

793
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Speaker 2: best indight into what some of the combat actually looks like.

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Speaker 2: It's straight out of Stalingrad, it's straight out of Iraq,

795
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Speaker 2: it's straight out of the Battle of Mosul. For ISIS

796
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Speaker 2: videos that basically were edited and looked exactly like this.

797
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Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and play some of this, guys,

798
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Speaker 2: And what you can see here is you have people

799
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Speaker 2: Hamas fighters again who release this popping up out of tunnels,

800
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Speaker 2: who are then showing how close they are to IDF installations,

801
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Speaker 2: to the IDF camps that they have that are nearby.

802
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Speaker 2: This is just to show the vulnerability. It looks like

803
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Speaker 2: there's ivy bags that are hanging up as well as

804
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Speaker 2: soldiers who are just sitting around. This is the craziest stuff.

805
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Speaker 2: And of course they edit it very favorably to them,

806
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Speaker 2: and it shows you a bombed out you know, like

807
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: moon type landscape where they have Hamas fighters who are

808
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: weaving in and out. They're not even dressed in military uniform,

809
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Speaker 2: using anti tank munitions and others in order to fire

810
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Speaker 2: against Israeli tanks and to try and disable them.

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Speaker 3: They claim they were disabled. Nobody knows.

812
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Speaker 2: We have approximately one hundred or so IDEF soldiers now

813
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Speaker 2: have been killed. Multiple more released actually in the last

814
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Speaker 2: couple of days, which highlights some of the fight.

815
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Speaker 3: But the truth is.

816
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Speaker 2: That they are not committing a significant ground force into

817
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Speaker 2: this and they are relying much more on strategic bombing

818
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Speaker 2: and that, as you said, I think aptly to point

819
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Speaker 2: it out, we're probably interview or we're going to try

820
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Speaker 2: to somebody who wrote a great foreign affairs piece actually

821
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Speaker 2: on all of this. But it does at this point

822
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Speaker 2: they're not going to abandon this strategy. They are going

823
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Speaker 2: through the same motions as we did in Iraq. They

824
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Speaker 2: will eventually come to the so called mission accomplish and

825
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Speaker 2: I think that's actually when the real nightmare begins, especially.

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Speaker 4: For it for them. Yeah, for God's obviously, the nightmare

827
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Speaker 4: is and full of.

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Speaker 3: Get worse, I can honestly probably get way worse.

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Speaker 1: So to that point, the Secretary General of the UN

830
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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. Secretary General Gutierras has

831
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Speaker 1: invoked something called Article ninety nine, so the first time

832
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Speaker 1: he's done it in his tenure. He says, facing a

833
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Speaker 1: severe risk of collapse of the humanitarian system in Gaza,

834
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Speaker 1: I urged the Council to help avert a humanitarian catastrophe

835
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Speaker 1: and appeal for a humanitarian ceasefire to be declared. Now,

836
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Speaker 1: this is seen as like the strongest diplomatic tool that

837
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Speaker 1: he has in his toolkit.

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Speaker 4: This is effectively Gutierra's.

839
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Speaker 1: Pulling the fire alarm with regard to the human catastrophe

840
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Speaker 1: that is unfolding on the ground at the hands of

841
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Speaker 1: the Israelis and is triggering a meeting of the Security

842
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Speaker 1: Council to debate this potential ceasefire. Now, do I think

843
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Speaker 1: that the US is going to allow a ceasefire to

844
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Speaker 1: pass through the UN Security Council at this point?

845
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Speaker 4: No, I do not.

846
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Speaker 1: But it shows you the gravity of what they see unfolding.

847
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Speaker 1: And you got to remember, I mean, you had the

848
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Speaker 1: specter of Matthew Miller, the State Department spokesperson who when

849
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Speaker 1: he was asked where should people go to be safe.

850
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Speaker 4: He's like, oh, go to these UN facilities.

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Speaker 1: The UN comes out and says, there's literally nowhere that

852
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Speaker 1: is safe in Gaza. Their own people, their own UN

853
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Speaker 1: workers have been killed by the dozens. I believe there's

854
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Speaker 1: over one hundred UN AID workers who have been killed here.

855
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Speaker 1: That is an extraordinary, unprecedented number in any conflict. So

856
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Speaker 1: those are the facts that the Secretary General is looking

857
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Speaker 1: at here when he says, Okay, I'm going to pull

858
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Speaker 1: the fire alarman to do whatever I possibly can to

859
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Speaker 1: draw attention to this catastrophic situation because even the ability

860
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Speaker 1: to provide any sort of AID trucks through the RAFA

861
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Speaker 1: crossing that has been severely curtailed since the end of

862
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Speaker 1: that temporary truce. So you know, diseases are spreading. We've

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Speaker 1: shown you the footage of the high rise apartment buildings

864
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Speaker 1: being bombed. The area that they've told people to go to,

865
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Speaker 1: that Theose Raelies have told people to go to that's

866
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Speaker 1: supposed to be the safe zone is literally the size

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Speaker 1: of Lax Airport. It's like a couple of miles wide

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Speaker 1: and there's nothing there. It's a deserted wasteland. I mean,

869
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Speaker 1: it's a cruel joke to tell people that they could

870
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Speaker 1: go there to find any sort of safety or any

871
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Speaker 1: sort of aid. All of the civilian toll that was

872
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Speaker 1: taken in northern Gaza could easily be magnified. We see

873
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Speaker 1: no change in terms of tactics and their approach to

874
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: Southern Gaza, because now you have almost the entirety of

875
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: the whole population clustered even more densely packed into Southern Gaza,

876
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: including in Communis, which is the major focus of the

877
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: IDF at this point, where they say Hamas leaders are fighting, Well,

878
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: this is one of the places that people fled to

879
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: because they were told this was one of the places

880
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: that would be safe. So the potential civilian catastrophe here

881
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: looms extraordinarily large. And the last piece saga, which is

882
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: you know, really wild and I don't even know what

883
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: to make of it. It's just unbelievable the level of

884
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: failure on the Israeli side on October seventh, based on

885
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: what we've learned at this point.

886
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen.

887
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: So the IDF actually knew that Hamas might attack, They

888
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: knew that they might target this music festival, where hundreds

889
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: of people were slaughtered in some of the most horrific scenes.

890
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: This is an article from Haretz. They say, quote this

891
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: massacre should have been prevented. Despite Israeli intelligence warnings about

892
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: a Hamas attack, the army did not evacuate the Nova festival.

893
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 4: That was that Rave music festival.

894
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: Top defense officials held urgent consultations the night before October

895
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: seventh about a possible Hamas attack, but no one in

896
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 1: the IDF notified the Nova festival organizers.

897
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 4: Or the partygoers.

898
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: Hundreds of whome were mown down and for nine hours

899
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: no one.

900
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 4: Came to save them.

901
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: And if you read the details of this, it's horrific

902
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: to contemplate that this could have been averted if there

903
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: had been proper warning. The music festival organizer said, if

904
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: you even gave us an hour notice, we could have

905
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: evacuated everyone. This festival, we also learned, had been extended,

906
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: actually longer beyond the original timeframe, so they had gone

907
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: beyond the link that they had originally petitioned for, and

908
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: no one raised a flag about anything, even though they

909
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: were watching these preparations taking place. And you know, we

910
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: also have all the details about how they had the

911
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: attack plan more than a year in advance, but they

912
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: dismissed it as aspirational. They had these female spotters and

913
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: intelligence analysts who were saying, no, we see them preparing

914
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: for that. This was also completely dismissed. And then the

915
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: night before when they're starting a panic, saying, I think

916
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: something might be going on here. They could have warned

917
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: the festival and avoided so much carnage and yet another

918
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: just catastrophic failure.

919
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very it's such a tragedy because when you

920
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: read it, you as you said, it's just look. I

921
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 2: think it highlights the incompetence of the Israeli security state

922
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: at that time, the shinn Bet, the Mozad, their multi

923
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: level failure, their distraction. More questions in Neta Yahu and

924
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: his government all need to answer. Also, why are these

925
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: people even still in their jobs. Every single one of

926
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: them should be fired on the spot, and yet they're

927
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 2: actually more empowered in Israeli society than ever before, which

928
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: is why these Israelian media outlets are covering it like this.

929
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 2: They're in shock. You can't believe it, I mean truly,

930
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: and it's basically what happened here too. After nine to eleven,

931
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 2: the people who failed most actually got even more responsibility.

932
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 2: And we're on a plane in Afghanistan two weeks later.

933
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: How do the hell does that make any sense? Still

934
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 2: doesn't twenty years later, and yet you know it still

935
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: continues over there.

936
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we know Bbe's plan. It's let's drag out

937
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: this war as long as possible, because he can say

938
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: to Israeli people, yes, we're going to do an investigation.

939
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 4: Yes there'll be accountability.

940
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: I'll answer questions for what happened, but not until after

941
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: the war. And that seems to be working for now.

942
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, there are certainly calls for him to resign.

943
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: His support is at like literally eight percent. Everybody basically

944
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: hates him and wants him gone. But he's betting that

945
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: the longer he keeps this going and the more he

946
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 1: satisfies the desire for revenge, the better chance he has

947
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: at holding on to power. So that is the political

948
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: bet that he's making at this point. There you go,

949
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about a little bit of domestic politics.

950
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: Here some extraordinary comments from our current president Joe Biden

951
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 1: about why exactly he is running for re election again

952
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: in spite of the fact that his approval ratings are

953
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: really low and no one really wants him to run again,

954
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: including Democrats. Will take a listen to what he had

955
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: to say.

956
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 9: Would you be reading Trump's reading?

957
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: I expect so, but look he is running and I

958
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: just have to run.

959
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 10: No, not now.

960
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: So he's saying, you know, if Trump was running, maybe

961
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: he wouldn't run.

962
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

963
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: He also Chrystal said that to donors behind this, it

964
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: drives me absolutely insane. How he drops all of these

965
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: nuggets two donors that then leak out a quotes, and

966
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: then he tries to walk him back when we all

967
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: know the way that he's speaking freely amongst donors is

968
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: what he actually thinks. That's whenever he said that we

969
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: were on the brink of nuclear war, I forget he

970
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: made another comment to which was like worldwide consequential to

971
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: these donor, it's an outrageous practice by the president.

972
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: Think about the level of disconnect. Think about the bubble

973
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: you have to be in. To look at your approval rating,

974
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: which is in the thirties, To look at pole after

975
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: poll coming out that says you're losing to the dude

976
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: that people also overwhelmingly hate and who has been indicted

977
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: multiple times, You're losing to him in basically every swing

978
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: state and every national had to head at this point,

979
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 1: and you're saying this is the reason why you're holding

980
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: on and why you're going to and again, like just

981
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: your level of delusion at that point is insane. So

982
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: and if he really, you know, if he really is

983
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: just committed to defeating Donald Trump, then why not have

984
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: a democratic primary process where people have a chance to

985
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: evaluate whether they think you're the best guy or whether

986
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: they think somebody else is the best guy. But no,

987
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: he's terrified of that because he knows he is not

988
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: fit to actually go up on a debate stage against anyone,

989
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: and yet he thinks he can beat Donald Trump, who,

990
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 1: you know, for whatever you think about him, is certainly

991
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: skilled political performer and in spite of his advanced age,

992
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: certainly seems to have a lot more sort of on

993
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: the ball and certainly a lot more energetically than.

994
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 4: Joe Biden does.

995
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: It's just amazing to me the delusion and the bubble

996
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: that these people live in.

997
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 3: Yep, that's incredibly well said Crystal.

998
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 2: And it's just one of those where it's almost too

999
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: on the nose, because that is an admission. He's like,

1000
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be running if well, then you're not affirmatively

1001
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: running on anything. And I just again high likes the negativity,

1002
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 2: the negative effect of American politics, and everybody is running

1003
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: for everybody is running basically against something.

1004
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: There's no positive reasonative part. The same time, that's the

1005
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 3: smartest thing he could say.

1006
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: Right, two thirds of the people voted for Joe Biden

1007
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: voted because he wasn't named Donald Trump.

1008
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 3: That's it, period, end of the story.

1009
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: And it's one of those where now Trump, Trump and

1010
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: Biden do really need each other in many respects because

1011
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: Trump also loves to play off of this liberal hysteria

1012
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: of who think of him as like some grand Mussolini

1013
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 2: style dictator when in reality he's more like Selena Meyer

1014
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: from Deep whenever.

1015
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: He was in office.

1016
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: He both likes to play into the dictatorship meme, and

1017
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: then the Biden campaign is like no, no, no, see, that's

1018
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: why we have to run against him because of the

1019
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: big bad Trump. He actually addressed some of this in

1020
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: a town hall with Sean Hannity. Let's take a listen.

1021
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 11: I want to go back to this one issue though,

1022
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 11: because the media has been focused on this and attacking you.

1023
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 11: Under no circum stances. You are promising America tonight.

1024
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 8: You would never.

1025
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 11: Abuse power as retribution against anybody except for day one,

1026
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 11: except he's going to pray, except for day one, meaning

1027
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 11: I want to close the border and I want to drill.

1028
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 11: That's not all that's real, that's not that's not retribution.

1029
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 8: I'm going to be.

1030
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,959
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be. You know, I love this guy. He says,

1031
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 3: you're not going to be a dictator.

1032
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 5: I said, no, no, no, Other than day one, we're

1033
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 5: closing the border and we're drilling, drilling, drilling.

1034
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 3: After that, I'm not a dating Okay.

1035
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 11: That sounds to me like you're going back to the

1036
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 11: policies when you're president.

1037
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: Why does Hannay keep trying to clean up his answer? Say,

1038
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: what are you his press secretary?

1039
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 4: Yes, let them, let the man speak.

1040
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 3: He knows exactly what he's doing, Okay.

1041
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: He knows that he's about to trigger Biden, and he's

1042
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: going to trigger liberals. And Rea can read the New

1043
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: York Times op eds and the Atlantic op eds as

1044
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 2: much as anybody, and he obviously gets a kick out

1045
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 2: of it. So I thought, Hannah, the way he conducts

1046
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: himself is just so ridiculous. But I I actually thought

1047
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 2: what putting those two things together crystal does demonstrate how

1048
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 2: both of these like industrial complexes, need each other. Trump

1049
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: needs to trigger, you know, the so called liberal hysteria,

1050
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 2: the idea that he's going to be some insane dictator,

1051
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 2: and then Biden needs those Atlantic headlines. Like Bob Kagan,

1052
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 2: I don't know if he saw this, wrote this long

1053
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 2: thing about American democracy is under attack, which you know,

1054
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 2: given Bob Kagan's track record, that means he wants to

1055
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: invade it. But that's what the Biden campaign is then

1056
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: immediately fundraising off of.

1057
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 3: And there I don't know if he saw this. There's

1058
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 3: a new whole Atlantic.

1059
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 2: Series of articles about the dangers of what a second

1060
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: Trump administration would look like, and they're all, you know,

1061
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 2: they're all just complete, like an old style twenty sixteen,

1062
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: almost like clap trap.

1063
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 8: Uh.

1064
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: The only thing one I do think is legitimate is

1065
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 2: on the criticism of election in January sixth, Okay one.

1066
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 2: The rest of them, it's like, yeah, the guy who

1067
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 2: literally could get nothing done first fourth four years has

1068
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: miraculously changed and transformed in his old age and is

1069
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: now to be the most effective, you know, GOP dictatorship

1070
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: president in history.

1071
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: It's like, what are we talking about here?

1072
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 1: I think two things can be true. One that he's

1073
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: a cartoonish buffoon and Keystone cops veep whatever you want

1074
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: to say. And also that there is a genuine danger

1075
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: because of what we saw unfold with the fake electors

1076
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: and with January sixth, et cetera. I mean, that was

1077
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: a genuinely destabilizing moment. He genuinely wanted to hold onto

1078
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 1: power even though he'd lost, and that is genuinely dangerous.

1079
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: So I can't look at what unfolded there, and especially

1080
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: what we've learned about.

1081
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 4: All the maaschinations happening behind the scene, all.

1082
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: The fake electors who'd been pulled and the slates created,

1083
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: and all of this that was going on, and just

1084
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: sort of like handwave away all of the concerns about Trump.

1085
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 4: Now.

1086
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: On the other hand, liberals do themselves no favor when

1087
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 1: they're trying to pretend like they're all about democracy while

1088
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: they're actively behaving like authoritarians, like in the state of

1089
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: Florida where they just decided we're going to make Joe

1090
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Speaker 1: Biden the nominee and we're not even going to have

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Speaker 1: a process like you can't end democracy to save democracy.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. And so you know, when

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Speaker 1: I look at that Hannity Trump exchange, there's a few things.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Hannity clearly hands him the softball, and

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Speaker 1: he does it twice by the way he asks him. Once,

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Speaker 1: he's like, you're not going to be a dictator, are you?

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Speaker 1: And Trump dodges and says, oh, you mean, like the

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Speaker 1: way that they were towards me. And then what we

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Speaker 1: showed now is he comes back around is like, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I just want to make it clear you're not going

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00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: to be a dictator. And Trump's like, well, after day one, right,

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Speaker 1: the audience loves it. Why not because they just think

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00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: he's joking, but because there's a genuine desire for authoritarianism

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00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: and for a dictator in the American public. And it's

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Speaker 1: not surprising. It's not surprising for a couple of reasons.

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Speaker 1: Number one, because in times of tumult and chaos, the

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00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: instinct towards or desire for a sort of like daddy

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00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: figure who's going to make it all better. And I'm

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00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: not even talking partisan with this one. I was talking

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00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 1: blanket statements about the American public. At this point, there

1111
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: is always a consistent rise and desire for dictatorship, authoritarianism.

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00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: Some daddy figures come in and do the things that

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00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: you think need to be done. Get it done, trains

1114
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: run on time, et cetera, et cetera. That is a

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00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: consistent theme throughout history. And number two, you've had for

1116
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: years now cynical operators in the news media and cynical

1117
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:29,439
Speaker 1: political operators, cynical pundits, cynical elite class members who think

1118
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: that the best thing that they could do is to

1119
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 1: convince one half of the country that the other half

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00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: of the country is truly evil, demented, and you know,

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00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: an existential risk to them. Do you think democracy is

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00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: going to thrive in such a circumstance. You can only

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00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: have democracy thrive when you accept that your brothers and

1124
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: sisters that you're in this project with are basically good people,

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00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: are trying to figure these things out, and you may

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00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: have some fundamental differences with them. That's fine, you'll work

1127
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 1: it out, but they're not an existential threat to you,

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00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: your family, your way of life. And so that's why

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00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: on the Republican side, when Trump says things like oh

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00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: I be a dictator. On day one, he's giving a

1131
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: large chunk of the base what they want to hear.

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00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 4: They're not upset about this.

1133
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: They want him to be that strong man and do

1134
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: the things and protect them in the way that they

1135
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: feel they need to be protected. And that's why in

1136
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: the democratic side there's very limited outcry when they do

1137
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: things like, you know, just decide in Florida that it's

1138
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: going to be Joe Biden, or when they tell people

1139
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: that we can't afford to have a primary process, we

1140
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: have to subvert democracy to save democracy. Why there's very

1141
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: little outcry because people feel that same sense of existential

1142
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: dread on the democratic side as well.

1143
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 4: So that's what I see going on.

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00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 2: I think you're right, and I think why are the

1145
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: reason I get so angry about this, oh leadership and

1146
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: all this is because to me, it's actually anti democratic

1147
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 2: in that why is Trump beating Biden.

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00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 3: Let's actually look at the polls.

1149
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with democracy or any of this.

1150
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: People are pissed and angry about the economy. So if

1151
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 2: you believe Dave Trump is a threat and a dictator,

1152
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: then you need to beat him on an economic answer

1153
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 2: for why people should vote for you as opposed to him,

1154
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: and I have seen nothing but an onslaught from the

1155
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 2: democratic press, from the liberal establishment, absent very very few examples,

1156
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 2: people like Jeff Stein and others who are honest, who

1157
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: are not like, why are these idiot voters complaining prices

1158
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 2: are I just saw a Financial timespiece.

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00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you.

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00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 2: Saw that where they ridiculed American voters for thinking that

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00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 2: prices were higher today than they were in twenty twenty two.

1162
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 2: And they were like, well, see inflation is fake, and

1163
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, well, yeah, it might be marginally true,

1164
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: but zoom out. From twenty nineteen to twenty twenty three,

1165
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 2: inflation is running twenty two point three percent. That is

1166
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: three times higher than inflation from twenty fifteen to twenty nineteen.

1167
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 2: So when people are saying prices are too high, they

1168
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 2: don't mean prices are too high in twenty twenty three.

1169
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: Prices are higher twenty twenty three over twenty twenty two.

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00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 2: They feel that way because at everyone remembers where the

1171
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 2: bag of groceries costs not that long ago, and they

1172
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 2: didn't have that amount of inflation in their lives for decades,

1173
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 2: as opposed to the fast pace that we've seen under

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Speaker 2: the Biden administration.

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Speaker 3: Now, it's not all Joe Biden's fault. I think a

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00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 3: lot of it is.

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Speaker 2: But the point is is that if you cannot address

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00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 2: and speak to that, you're going to lose. And that's

1179
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 2: what actual democracy looks like. So for me, it's all

1180
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 2: of this trying to browbeat people over the head about

1181
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: trying to gin them up and be afraid is just

1182
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: as bad on that other side when they're not actually

1183
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,919
Speaker 2: trying to engage in a small, de democratic argument over

1184
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 2: why you should vote for them.

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00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 3: People are not stupid.

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00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 2: The main reason that a lot of people are gravitating

1187
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 2: towards Trump on the economy right now is just comparison.

1188
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 2: They're like, well under in twenty nineteen, Gas was X,

1189
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: Y and Z. He's also got the great talking point

1190
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 2: of there was no rush in Ukraine or Israel or

1191
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 2: whatever while I was president. And that's a compelling pitch,

1192
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 2: especially if you don't have something to fill the vacuum,

1193
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 2: which Biden does not.

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00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 3: I mean, when's the last time he even did anything

1195
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 3: about this? Nothing?

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00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: He said something about price couch closest you should come. Yeah, Well,

1197
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: to me, there's three major factors. There's the economy, as

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00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: you point out, and the fact that you know, people

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Speaker 1: actually had more money in their bank accounts during COVID,

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00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: when you had all of these social safety net programs

1201
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: that were genuinely helping people in the child tax credit

1202
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: and checks coming in, et cetera. Under this Democratic president,

1203
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: those programs have all been stripped away. So at the

1204
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: same time you have inflation, you have a diminished ability

1205
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: to you know, to survive that inflation, be able to

1206
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: pay for the things that you need to pay for,

1207
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: and people racking up massive credit card bills, et cetera.

1208
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: It's so that's one piece. Second piece is just you

1209
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: look at the.

1210
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 3: Guy and you're like, God, yeah, that's a massive part.

1211
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 4: Can you can you make it through four years?

1212
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm struggling to listen to you put a

1213
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: single sentence together, Like I'm holding my breath hopeing you

1214
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: get to the end of this thing and it's not

1215
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: a catastrophe. How are we going to do for more

1216
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: years like this? That's one piece and then the latest piece.

1217
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: The reason you've seen a huge deterioration recently is because

1218
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: of disenchantment with the Democratic base over his unconditional support

1219
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: for Israel, which has really hit key democratic voting blocks.

1220
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: Young people first and foremost Arab Americans, Muslim Americans, people

1221
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 1: of color in general actually have a very different view

1222
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: of this conflict than most white voters, just judging by

1223
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: the polling. These are key democratic based groups. And so

1224
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: the recent decline for Biden has actually been mostly among

1225
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: Democrats who are very unhappy with what's going on. Now,

1226
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: Are they going to vote for Donald Trump?

1227
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 10: No?

1228
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: Are they going to stay home? Very possible. They're betting

1229
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: that going back to the well of Trump is terrible.

1230
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: Trump is bad, and you cannot vote for Donald Trump,

1231
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: and staying home is a vote for Donald Trump. Shaming,

1232
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: cajoling voters is going to work another time, and I'm

1233
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: just not so sure that it is. I could be wrong,

1234
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: but I think, like you said, Zagur, you have to

1235
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: actually make an affirmative case at this point for why

1236
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 1: four more years of you and your program and what

1237
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: you're going to do is going to leave people better off,

1238
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: because you know, I mean, people look back at the

1239
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: Trump years and they're like, yeah, that was chaotic and

1240
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't great and it was terrible, but we survived together.

1241
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 4: We got to the other side of it.

1242
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: So maybe this all of this is not as is

1243
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: not as extraordinarily existential as it seems. So in any case,

1244
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: speaking of delusions, Liz Cheney has also decided that perhaps

1245
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: she will throw her hat into the ring, the presidential ring,

1246
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: and make her own bid for president. Let's take a

1247
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: listen to how she explained.

1248
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 12: That whatever, whatever you do, whatever you think about, you

1249
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 12: know the possibilities that Donald Trump might present, He's not

1250
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 12: an acceptable option. He's not an acceptable alternative. I hope

1251
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 12: that he is defeated in the primary, but if he's not,

1252
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 12: we have to defeat him in the general.

1253
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 3: And people need to.

1254
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 12: Take seriously and literally what he's saying, which is that

1255
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 12: he would infect unravel our democracy, potentially terminate the Constitution.

1256
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 13: It's a risk we can't take.

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00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,040
Speaker 1: So she's saying that she may run for president to

1258
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: help defeat Trump. And when you talk about it, I mean,

1259
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: Biden's level of delusion doesn't.

1260
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 4: Even compare to this level of delusion.

1261
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: Because even though it shouldn't be this way, because Trump

1262
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: has become the central question in American politics, the fact

1263
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: that Liz Cheney has put herself on the anti Trump

1264
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: side of the equation means that her favorability ratings are

1265
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: entirely on the Democratic side. She has very few Republican

1266
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: supporters left, which is why she left Congress. So the

1267
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: idea that she would take more from Trump than from

1268
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: Biden if she were to one for president.

1269
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 2: Is completelytely absurd, completely preposterous.

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01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 4: Absolutely posters.

1271
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 3: I want more.

1272
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 2: I want as many people in this thing as possible.

1273
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 2: Chaos needs to be full blown like eighteen oh seven election.

1274
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 2: All this other stuff might finally destroy so many of

1275
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 2: the vestiges of the establishments that remain.

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01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

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01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 2: I mean, this level of delusion is when I almost

1278
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 2: genuinely admire. I think my life would be a lot

1279
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 2: easier if I was at delusion and less neurotic. I

1280
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 2: guess this is one too, where I do think it

1281
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 2: highlights as Biden gets weaker, the chaos element of the

1282
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 2: no labels type candidates. Yeah, people are already floating Nicki

1283
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 2: Haley against Trump for no labels. Now we could have

1284
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 2: Liz Cheney versus Nicki Haley for no lebel. Joe Manchin

1285
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: is doing whatever the hell Joe Manchin is doing out there,

1286
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: Joe Lieberman and all these people are not screwing around.

1287
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 3: They really could actually mount somebody.

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01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 2: Then you've got RFK Junior, who will be I mean,

1289
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,919
Speaker 2: who knows how much bigger he could get. You've got

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01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 2: Cornell West who's still hanging out there. And especially for

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01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 2: people like RFK Junior, he says he's going to get

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01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 2: on the ballot in all fifty states. It's a serious problem,

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Speaker 2: a serious problem for both.

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Speaker 3: Of these candidates.

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01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,919
Speaker 2: And you're throwing a no labels person like that who

1296
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 2: has so much money and could easily get the petitions.

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01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 2: Now you're in to for almost five people on the

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Speaker 2: presidential ballot. That's extraordinary, not to mention the libertarian candidate

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Speaker 2: will probably be there as well.

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Speaker 1: The only one of those candidates you mentioned that could

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01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: take more from Trump than Biden is RFKG. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's a real toss up, and the polls

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Speaker 1: seem to show that it's kind of a toss up,

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Speaker 1: that it's relatively split between the two of them. I

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01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: think it depends on who he picks as VPO, what

1306
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Speaker 1: he focuses on, how effective the like Fox News hatchet

1307
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Speaker 1: job against him is at this point, because man, they

1308
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: turned on a dime. They used to be pumping this

1309
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: guy up like crazy, and now every time he goes on,

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Speaker 1: they've gotta they've definitely got their knives out for him,

1311
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Speaker 1: so you know, they want to convince everybody that he's,

1312
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Speaker 1: you know, really truly like Hillary Clinton loving liberal and

1313
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Speaker 1: using whatever they can to make that case. Of course,

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Speaker 1: a lot of his focuses in recent years have aligned

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Speaker 1: more with Republicans and more with the GP base, which

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Speaker 1: is why people like Steve Bannon were building him up

1317
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Speaker 1: for so long when he was an effective cudgel against

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. So with him, I think it's kind of

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Speaker 1: a toss up where he draws more from I think

1320
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Speaker 1: it could potentially be that he takes more from Trump

1321
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: at this point, but hard to say. All of the

1322
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: other ones Liz Cheney, Joe Manchin, Cornell West, Jill Stein, etc.

1323
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: Definitely draw more from Biden than from Trump, and so

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Speaker 1: it just further complicates his reelection path, which was already

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Speaker 1: very complicated. I think you're right to sager that the

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Speaker 1: more that we see him decline, the more that opens

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Speaker 1: the door for.

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Speaker 3: Just total absolutely.

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01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: Chaos, because people like I mean, I don't think Mark

1330
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: Cuban actually is going to run even though I wish

1331
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: that I kind of wish that he would. But people

1332
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: like him, who have huge name ID, who have lots

1333
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: of money to spend, et cetera, they got to be

1334
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: looking at this thing and going, you know what, it

1335
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't take that much. I actually think I can have

1336
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Speaker 1: a shot at this thing. Everybody hates these two dudes.

1337
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: If I jump in there and mix it up, you

1338
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: never know, it might only take thirty percent of the

1339
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Speaker 1: vote to be able to win this thing out right.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'll say this too.

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Speaker 2: The Rock has been making a lot of appearances here

1342
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 2: in Washington. Yesterday he put out old video. He was

1343
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 2: at the Pentagon. He's been on Capitol Hill twice in

1344
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Speaker 2: the last month. Nobody actually really knows what he's doing,

1345
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 2: why he's receiving classified briefings at the Pentagon. So he

1346
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 2: also on Joe Rogan, he said people have approached me

1347
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Speaker 2: to run for president one of the two major parties.

1348
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure how true that is, but at the

1349
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 2: very least he's floating it. He's floating something out there,

1350
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 2: so it could be any one of these people could

1351
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Speaker 2: do it. I think The Rock would cream Joe Biden

1352
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 2: in a primary, just to be clear, but anyway, we'll

1353
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 2: see some big news whenever it comes to Ukraine. There

1354
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 2: was a major vote in the United States Senate last night,

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Speaker 2: and with the Senate aid package for Ukraine, Israel and

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01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 2: other military appropriations failed with the majority vote, let's go

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Speaker 2: ahead and put this up there on the screen. Forty

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Speaker 2: nine to fifty one, Senate Republicans blocked the Democratic bill

1359
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Speaker 2: to fund Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan, and border security over their

1360
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 2: demands for tighter border restrictions. Bernie Sanders also voted no.

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Speaker 2: Many now fear the aid package is stalled for good.

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Speaker 2: So there's actually quite a lot to say about this crystal,

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01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 2: because it illustrates two separate political dynamics. The Republicans all

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Speaker 2: voted against this aid package because it doesn't provides a

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Speaker 2: to Ukraine but does not fulfill the border demands not

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Speaker 2: only of Senate Republicans but of the.

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Speaker 3: House of Representatives.

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Speaker 2: And this is where I want to spend a little

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Speaker 2: procedural time, because it does show you how difficult it

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Speaker 2: will ever be to get the Ukraine package through the

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Speaker 2: House Senate. So Speaker Mike Johnson put out a letter

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Speaker 2: where he said two things in criticism of the administration

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Speaker 2: on Ukraine. Number One, you have to not yet provided

1374
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 2: us with a strategic path forward to what victory looks like. Aka,

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01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,439
Speaker 2: you're just funding an endless war. So yeah, eminently fair.

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Speaker 2: Number Two, if we passed this sixty one billion, the

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Speaker 2: legislation that bordered, legislation that is attached to it has

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Speaker 2: to look like HR two. HR two is a Republican

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Speaker 2: bill that was passed earlier in this Congress, which is

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Speaker 2: a absolute nonstarter for basically any single Democratic lawmaker because

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Speaker 2: it not includes a major.

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Speaker 3: Reforms to asylum.

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Speaker 2: And now, to be clear, I support HR two, but

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Speaker 2: I'm saying from a political perspective, is never going to

1385
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Speaker 2: happen whenever it comes to the democratic lawmaker.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of the.

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Speaker 2: Constituencies going on and behind the House were negotiating on

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Speaker 2: the border. Even if they do come to some sort

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Speaker 2: of a deal, it has no backing in the House

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Speaker 2: of Representatives, which shows the political future for this two.

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Speaker 2: And this explains that Bernie Sanders vote. Sanders voted against

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Speaker 2: the package because the Israel aid is not conditioned to

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Speaker 2: Israel to make them comply with international humanitarian law. And

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Speaker 2: I actually think that that going on in the future

1395
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 2: could be a major impediment because there's growing calls for

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Speaker 2: conditioning Israelite.

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Speaker 3: And all that.

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Speaker 2: It would make it only even more difficult to try

1399
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Speaker 2: and pass some sort of border pack or some sort

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Speaker 2: of package through the House when you're packaging all of

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Speaker 2: these together. This is a lesson too, by the way,

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Speaker 2: on why maybe we shouldn't be bundling all these things together.

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Speaker 3: But that's a whole other separate cousy.

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Speaker 1: Well, the original idea for why you put these things

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Speaker 1: together is because the White House really wants the Ukraine

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Speaker 1: Aid right, and they thought, okay, we can throw in

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Speaker 1: this like border security suitetener to get the Republicans to

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Speaker 1: come along. Now the Republicans are saying like, no, no,

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Speaker 1: we don't this border security thing. We don't even want

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Speaker 1: to vote for U. It's not good enough for us.

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Speaker 1: So blows up that rationale. Then there was another assumption

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Speaker 1: that like, oh, everyone will vote for the Israel piece

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Speaker 1: and still overwhelmingly like Bernie's the only one who's voting

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Speaker 1: against it because because of the aid is not conditioned.

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Speaker 1: But there has been even Joe Biden, you know, dressing

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Speaker 1: openness to the idea of conditioning AID. And you've had

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Speaker 1: some mainline run of the mill Democratic senators saying the

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01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: same thing. Chris van Holland just recently came out and

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Speaker 1: said he thought it should be conditioned. So even the

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Speaker 1: Israel piece of this has now also become a little

1421
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: bit more fraud and caused at least Bernie Sanders to

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Speaker 1: withhold his vote from this thing as well. So the

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Speaker 1: original logic of putting all these things together has kind

1424
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: of already come apart. Every single piece of it is controversial,

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Speaker 1: So it's hard to see at this point how they're

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Speaker 1: able to reform and change it to make the whole thing,

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Speaker 1: you know, make this cake bake.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of problems that are happening for them.

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Speaker 2: And at the same time, I mean, the situation in

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Speaker 2: Ukraine is just crumbling. The political architecture of the Zelensky

1431
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 2: regime is falling apart before all of our eyes. He's

1432
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 2: at open war with his top military commander because that

1433
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 2: guy told the truth and said it was a stalemate.

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Speaker 1: Who, by the way, I did a little looking into

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Speaker 1: the polling, is more popular, Yeah, has higher favorability. Zelenski's

1436
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Speaker 1: still very popular from what we can tell from the polls.

1437
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: But this head commander. Guy is more popular, has more

1438
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Speaker 1: trust with the population.

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Speaker 2: Right and now the mayor of Kiev, let's go and

1440
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen, is speaking out

1441
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Speaker 2: against Zelenski. You know, this is absolutely shocking. And he

1442
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 2: did it also in a New York Post interview, turning you.

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Speaker 2: He says, Zelenski is turning Ukraine in an authoritarian state,

1444
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Speaker 2: just like Russia. This is a Fatali klitschkoh He's with

1445
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 2: a famous boxer and is very famous inside of Ukraine,

1446
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 2: very well revered and was a previous opponent actually to Zelenski.

1447
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 2: But the mayor of Kiev is obviously an incredibly important

1448
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 2: position inside of wartime Ukraine. Right now, it remains a

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01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 2: city that's probably battered the most, you know, by Russia,

1450
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 2: and it's their overall capital. And again, let me read

1451
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 2: the direct quote. At some point, we will no longer

1452
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 2: be any different from Russia, where everything depends on the

1453
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 2: whim of one man. There is currently only one independent institution,

1454
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 2: but enormous pressure is being exerted on it local self government,

1455
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 2: he said. So he is obviously speaking out against the

1456
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 2: command and control of Zelenski, who's trying to tighten down

1457
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,799
Speaker 2: actually on all of his opponents as the war starts

1458
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 2: to crumble underneath from him. And if you think about

1459
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 2: it too, his sole real purpose in this war was

1460
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 2: to be like a hype man and to basically, you know,

1461
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 2: emotionally pressure the West to keep funding him. Well, if

1462
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 2: he stops being able to get the checks go, then

1463
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 2: what is his purpose as the head of Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: This is exploding too.

1465
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 2: And again, just to cover some more of the domestic

1466
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 2: politics inside there, let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: They are now actually reporting Crystal that Poroshenko, who is

1468
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,799
Speaker 2: one of Zelenski's major opponents and who.

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01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 3: Though has been you know, kind of a quiet ally of.

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Speaker 2: His ever since the invasion, was blocked this week from

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Speaker 2: leaving Ukraine. He had his passport confiscated and he was

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Speaker 2: not allowed to leave the country, specifically because Poroshenko was

1473
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 2: set to meet with Hungarian president or Prime Minister Victor Orbon.

1474
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 2: They believe that Orbon has been blocking EU military aid

1475
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 2: and he's also been outspoken about allowing Ukraine and to NATO.

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01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 3: They call him pro Russia. I think he's actually much

1477
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 3: more of a pro realist.

1478
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 2: But anyway, he's a He is very dissonant from the

1479
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 2: way that the rest of the Eastern Europeans nations speak.

1480
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 2: The sheer fact that he was meeting with him was

1481
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 2: enough for these Zelenski people to cancel it, to block

1482
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 2: him from leaving the country. That's not something that a

1483
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 2: person who's confident in their leadership does. So things really

1484
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 2: are beginning to fall apart from him. You have the

1485
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 2: aid that is now canceled. They you know, continue Actually

1486
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 2: just yesterday some of his representatives were here in Washington.

1487
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 2: They went on Fox News. They said, we have no

1488
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 2: plan for negotiation all of that. So we continue to

1489
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 2: fund much of their delusional dreams. But from a sheer

1490
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 2: military perspective, they are, you know, I mean, they're on

1491
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 2: their last ropes. They've got an average age of forty three,

1492
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 2: six hundred thousand and so off. Their troops have fled,

1493
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,839
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of their men are they're dead or maimed,

1494
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 2: you know, permanently from the battlefield.

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01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 3: And even if we were to provide.

1496
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 2: Them at this point with every military piece of equipment

1497
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,919
Speaker 2: that we're asking for, they have had zero proven ability

1498
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 2: to properly employ Western style tactics and equipment on the battlefield.

1499
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 2: You know, that's really what came through, and the key

1500
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Speaker 2: finding segment that we did earlier this week is that

1501
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 2: their military leadership is incredibly incompetent and arrogant and does not.

1502
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 3: Listen to US military advice.

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01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 2: So there's so much going on here Chrystal that I

1504
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 2: don't I do not currently see a path for this.

1505
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 3: Ukraine aid package.

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01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 2: I would never put it past them to not shoehorn

1508
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 2: this thing, you know, for the for the rest of

1509
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 2: all eternity, to try and keep getting some money flowing

1510
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 2: to Ukraine, but this sixty one billion, I really don't

1511
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 2: see a political path forward to this, especially this year.

1512
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 2: And everybody I've spoken to on Capitol Hill will privately

1513
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 2: say the exact same thing.

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01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, just think of what a difference

1515
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: year makes last year. At this time, Solenski is being

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01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: declared Time Person of the Year. And you could not

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01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: have said any of this publicly, not in Ukraine, not

1518
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: here Western outlets, New York Times certainly not gould be

1519
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:10,839
Speaker 1: writing it up and talking about.

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01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 4: It, et cetera.

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01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 1: And it shows you there is a level of instability

1522
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: among the Ukrainian like in the domestic political situation that

1523
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 1: has been completely bubbling underneath the surface and has now

1524
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: completely exploded to the surface given the state of affairs,

1525
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 1: with the failures of the or disappointments, i should say,

1526
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: at least of the military campaign. And that was one

1527
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 1: of the things that this mayor was saying about Zelensky

1528
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: is he's lying about how well the conflict is going,

1529
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 1: about how the war is actually going. And you know,

1530
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: you can't do that when you're asking your men to

1531
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: sacrifice their lives on the front line.

1532
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,480
Speaker 3: And them drafting people who have serious medical.

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01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: And banning them from leaving the country, and you're lying

1534
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 1: about how things are going on the front lines, and

1535
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: then you see you know, okay, the funding is starting

1536
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: to run out from your biggest backer, etc. It's a

1537
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:06,759
Speaker 1: dire situation. It is a chaotic, unstable situation, and basically

1538
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: nothing would surprise me at this point in terms of

1539
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: Ukrainian domestic politics.

1540
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll say it here, this is speculation.

1541
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 2: I think that there is a very serious possibility that

1542
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 2: there is a coup against Lensky, because you've got the

1543
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 2: serious you know, the chief military advisor who he is,

1544
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 2: he's not even speaking to he's issuing orders to his

1545
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 2: troops around basically the equivalent of the chairman of the

1546
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 2: Joint Chiefs of Staff. That's an insane thing, like an

1547
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 2: what a completely unstable military architecture. Now you've got his

1548
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 2: political opponents who are openly speaking out against him, calling

1549
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 2: him authoritarian. Remember he's canceled elections. But he's like, well,

1550
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 2: it wouldn't accomplish anything or any of this. So and

1551
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 2: if he is not able to politically deliver on aid

1552
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 2: from the United States, which is the sole thing that

1553
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 2: is keeping them going, he has no real purpose there

1554
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 2: at the top. So I think he's seriously overplayed his hand.

1555
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 2: I think his arrogance and the way that he conducted

1556
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 2: himself in the West and also really at home, has

1557
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 2: set them up for serious reality check whenever this aid

1558
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 2: package doesn't pass. And it's very it's it would not

1559
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,679
Speaker 2: be surprising to me at all if he's is removed

1560
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 2: and you have a very very different style of leadership

1561
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 2: come in just being like okay, it's time to cut

1562
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 2: a deal or something even something even more horrible, because

1563
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,440
Speaker 2: don't forget, Russia is still waging war in Ukraine.

1564
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 3: It has not ended. They're continuing to rain.

1565
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 2: If anything, they're getting even better at it, holding their

1566
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 2: defensive positions and raining down these attack these very cheap

1567
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 2: attack drones all over Kievan, attacking their infrastructure as the

1568
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 2: winter goes on. So it's going to be I think

1569
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a cold, cold winter all across Ukraine

1570
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 2: as all of this sets in.

1571
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 3: All right, let's move on to the next part.

1572
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 8: Here.

1573
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,600
Speaker 2: Had to weigh in on this, and we've touched a

1574
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 2: little bit in the initial a block on Nikki Haley

1575
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 2: and her comments around anti Zionism and anti Semitism. So

1576
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 2: there was a resolution put before the House of Representatives

1577
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 2: which equated anti Zionism anti Semitism. Now, Crystal you aptly

1578
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 2: put it previously, but Zionism is a political ideology that

1579
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 2: has to do with land and is very separate from

1580
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:16,600
Speaker 2: discrimination against a religious group, especially when members of that

1581
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:21,719
Speaker 2: religious group, including people like Albert Einstein previously, had spoken

1582
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,719
Speaker 2: out against Zionism, and that some of the most fierce

1583
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 2: people who object to Zionism are themselves Jewish. Well, it

1584
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 2: overwhelmingly passed the House, and many of the Progressives ended

1585
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 2: up voting present actually on the resolution, but one of

1586
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 2: the members who has been most singled out for his

1587
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 2: opposition to that resolution was Congressman Thomas Massey for tweeting

1588
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 2: out this meme. Let's go and put this up there

1589
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 2: on the screen. He tweeted out for those who are

1590
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 2: just listening, it's the Drake meme. The person who is

1591
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 2: he's holding up his hands as if opposed and says,

1592
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 2: Congress these days to American patriotism. Then he's pointing his

1593
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 2: finger and he's smiling, Congress these days towards Zionism.

1594
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 3: Funny meme.

1595
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 2: Definitely making fun again of these symbolic, ridiculous resolutions that

1596
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 2: are just what just like flagellating people themselves about how

1597
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 2: pro Israel they are, how many Congress.

1598
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 4: They are going to pass to and they don't even doings.

1599
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 3: So what's the purpose, all right, let's put that in.

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01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 1: The purpose is just a smear people as anti Semitic

1601
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: that don't lockstep agree with Israel on literally everything.

1602
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 4: That's the purpose.

1603
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 8: Guess what.

1604
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:28,600
Speaker 2: That's what they decided to do, not just Republicans, but

1605
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 2: actually prominent Democrats, including the White House, the Biden administration.

1606
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

1607
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 2: The Biden administrations put out a statement saying all Americans,

1608
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 2: including House GOP leadership, should condemn this virulent anti semitism

1609
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:46,839
Speaker 2: from a sitting member of Congress.

1610
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 3: This was retweeted by the White House.

1611
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 2: This himself is a White House spokesperson, and it was

1612
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 2: reiterated by the Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer. Let's go

1613
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 2: and put that one up there on the screen, he says,

1614
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 2: Representative Massey, you are a sitting member of Congress. This

1615
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 2: is anti Semitic, disgusting, dangerous, exactly the type of thing

1616
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 2: I was talking about in my Senate address.

1617
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 3: Take this down.

1618
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 2: And Massey said, well, you know, it seems like you

1619
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 2: guys care a lot more about a foreign country's borders

1620
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 2: than our own.

1621
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 3: I think is absolutely correct on that one.

1622
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 2: But this is the absolute state of our discourse, Crystal.

1623
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 2: Is that a meme making fun of meaningless resolutions where

1624
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 2: a country continually affirms, you know, the right of a

1625
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:31,440
Speaker 2: foreign government to exist and then affirms like the inability

1626
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 2: to even speak out against the actions have said that government,

1627
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 2: or even any foreign any political ideology, is then not

1628
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 2: able to be mocked and instead is flipped around and said,

1629
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 2: you are a anti semi I mean, that's one of

1630
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 2: the worst things that you can say about somebody.

1631
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 3: Correct.

1632
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 2: In the twenty in the twenty first century, especially with

1633
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 2: the legacy of the twentieth century, and yet they have

1634
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 2: no compunction doing it.

1635
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 3: I think it's really discussing what they're doing to It.

1636
01:17:56,160 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: Is utterly disgusting and disgraceful for a variety of reasons.

1637
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 1: Number One, when you throw around the word anti semitism

1638
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:10,679
Speaker 1: to talk about a meme which is not remotely anti semitic,

1639
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: to talk about people who have critiques of the Israeli government,

1640
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 1: which is not remotely anti semitic. When you just use

1641
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 1: this word for everything you don't like, the word becomes meaningless.

1642
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: And then when things happen that are genuinely anti Semitic,

1643
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 1: which of course do happen all the time, and there

1644
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: has been an increase in the number of actual, real

1645
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: anti Semitic incidents during this time period, you have no

1646
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: words and no language left that means anything to anyone.

1647
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 1: And if you're an organization like the ADL where this

1648
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: is your thing, like you have completely bankrupted your credibility

1649
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 1: to apply this label to anyone or anything. So it's

1650
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 1: disgusting on that level. It is utterly disgusting and preposterous

1651
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 1: on this level as well, which is that we are

1652
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 1: providing the bombs and the unconditional support for Israel in

1653
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 1: their war on Gaza, which has not only exacted a

1654
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: horrific toll on the civilian population there, but has made

1655
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 1: Israelis less safe and have made our own men and

1656
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 1: women in the region less safe. And yet you want

1657
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 1: to spend your time at the White House and the

1658
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 1: head of the Democrats in the Senate, very powerful individuals.

1659
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 1: You want to spend your time railing against a fricking

1660
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: meme online. That's what you're spending your time and your

1661
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 1: outrage focused on what a clown show? Like, what a

1662
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:42,679
Speaker 1: preposterous caricature of a decadent, failing society which cannot even

1663
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 1: focus on the actual real world events that are unfolding

1664
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 1: before our eyes. We're arguing about memes. We're inventing a

1665
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: soccer's going to discuss. We're inventing incidents on college campuses

1666
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: to debate. We're castigating a congresswoman who said rape was

1667
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 1: horrific because she didn't say it hard enough. Like, what

1668
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 1: the hell are we doing right now? While our big

1669
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: great friend in the Middle East, bab net and Yahoo

1670
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 1: is actively floating plans to Congress to quote unquote thin

1671
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: out the gods of population and all but announcing outright

1672
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 1: that his end goal here is ethnic cleansing. And we're

1673
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,679
Speaker 1: spending our time on a meme that Thomas Massey sent out.

1674
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 1: A few things could possibly disgust me more than what

1675
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 1: is unfolding an elite discourse right now.

1676
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's totally nuts. And you

1677
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:32,799
Speaker 3: know it's interesting.

1678
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 2: I care about American sovereignty more than anything, especially whenever

1679
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,639
Speaker 2: it comes to the meddling of foreign governments in our

1680
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 2: domestic politics.

1681
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 3: And yesterday I noticed this.

1682
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 2: I'm going to read it for everybody because you're what

1683
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 2: you were saying reminded me of it. The Defense Minister

1684
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 2: of the State of Israel tweeted this out. Let's be

1685
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:58,480
Speaker 2: clear and unequivocal. Calling for intifada, a murderous insurgency perpetrating

1686
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 2: acts of women, is not free speech. Chanting from the

1687
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 2: river from the sea, openly calling for the destruction of

1688
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 2: the Jewish state quote is not free speech. Both are

1689
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 2: examples of dangerous, violent hate speech, and they must be

1690
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 2: treated as such. Why is the defense minister of a

1691
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 2: foreign government, who, by the way, does not have free

1692
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 2: speech in their country trying to define free speech in

1693
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 2: our country. How about you worry about your goddamn job

1694
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 2: and we will do ours. But the reason that they

1695
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 2: feel so comfortable getting involved in this, getting involved in bed,

1696
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 2: I mean, the freaking Israeli ambassador has been going all

1697
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 2: over this country now for years promoting anti BDS legislation

1698
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 2: at a state life. Imagine if the United States ambassador

1699
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 2: was going around Israel and getting involved in which kibbutz's

1700
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 2: govern themselves and what they're allowed to say, that I

1701
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 2: would speak out against that.

1702
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 3: I would say, leave these people alone.

1703
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 2: I don't believe the United States should be doing that,

1704
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 2: period at all, whenever it comes to meddling in foreign

1705
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 2: governments vice versa. I mean, this is a total disrespect,

1706
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 2: honestly to us. And this is how I see a

1707
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 2: lot of these resolutions. And you know, I don't even

1708
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 2: necessarily agree with a lot of these, like anti Israel

1709
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 2: talking points and all that, but I you know, this

1710
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 2: is America. We get to say whatever we want, period,

1711
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,759
Speaker 2: end of story. And you know, I wish, I truly

1712
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 2: wish they cared as much about this country, about our

1713
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 2: rights to do all these things, maybe our rights to

1714
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 2: say whatever we want as much as they did is

1715
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,719
Speaker 2: affirming like anti zion or what is anti Zionism equals

1716
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 2: anti Semitism, so they they are fulfilling, by the way,

1717
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,799
Speaker 2: all of the worst anti Semitic tropes around government aboutrue,

1718
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 2: control speech, d loyalty, duel loyalty, you know, by criminalizing

1719
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 2: or trying to make it such that you can't talk

1720
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 2: about it in the public domain. And all that has

1721
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 2: made me do is angrier and more determined not only

1722
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,520
Speaker 2: to defend it, but actually say some of these things about.

1723
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 1: The other thing that's preposters. I mean, the Congress is

1724
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly Christian, yes, like it's just like what ninety percent Christian,

1725
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 1: and then you're defining what anti Semitism is like that's

1726
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 1: absurd as well. The whole thing is completely ridiculous. And

1727
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 1: the discussing, I don't know, there's a lot about it

1728
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Speaker 1: that discuss me, but it's just such a clear tactic

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01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 1: to distract from what our policies are actually doing in

1730
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: the region and the horrific toll that the American people

1731
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 1: have overwhelmingly rejected. I mean, I just saw another poll.

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01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 1: Two thirds of American people want to cease fire. It's

1733
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 1: almost a majority of Republicans who want a permit ceasefire,

1734
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 1: and overwhelming majority of Democrats. And it's Democrats, of course,

1735
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 1: who are in charge of the White House. So they're

1736
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: trying to distract from the things that actually matter. And

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01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 1: it's just never been more blatantly clear to me that

1738
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 1: that's what's going on here, playing all these games and

1739
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: taking up news cycles debating theoretical things that might be

1740
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: said on a college campus with regard to the River

1741
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 1: to the sea, chan or whatever. You know, Ryan did

1742
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 1: a great job with Ted Cruz on this, like, hey,

1743
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 1: you know they say this in the Coude party platform.

1744
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 4: What do you have to say about that. Well, it's

1745
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 4: not a.

1746
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: Problem when it's the Israeli say it's not a problem

1747
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: when Netanyahu's literally holding up a map of Israel that

1748
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 1: completely disappears the West Bank and the Gaza strip and

1749
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 1: says this is the new reality from the river to

1750
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 1: the sea. By the way, well that's fine, there's no

1751
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 1: problem with that whatsoever. But you know, let's criminalize chance

1752
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 1: on college campuses, because that's really the important thing for

1753
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 1: us to focus on right now.

1754
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 2: And by the way, even if it did mean it,

1755
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 2: I would still defend people's right to say it.

1756
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, you could say it. Why should that

1757
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 3: be criminalized?

1758
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 2: Why do you need to be passing resolutions and all

1759
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 2: these other things against it. You should not be policing

1760
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 2: what people are saying anywhere in public life, especially whenever

1761
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 2: you're the government. But anyway, apparently that's a minority position here.

1762
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 1: Today, Sager, what are you taking a look at?

1763
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 2: Well, if there's one thing that drives me more insane

1764
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 2: than any other, it's hypocrisy. It hurts even more when

1765
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 2: it's from people that you considered friends and even allies

1766
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 2: in some way. And for the last two months, I

1767
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:47,759
Speaker 2: think it is fair to say I'm pretty much done

1768
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 2: with it all. The number of people who built now

1769
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 2: entire careers to crying attacks on free speech, safe spaces

1770
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 2: on college campuses and ideological witch hunts have switched on

1771
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 2: a dime now that it is a cause that they

1772
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 2: agree with and are leading only the latest iteration of

1773
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 2: the famed current thing. This movement has kicked into overdrive

1774
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 2: after a group of university presidents from Harvard, MIT and

1775
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 2: the University of Pennsylvania refuse to say that specifically calling

1776
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:19,719
Speaker 2: for the genocide against Jews was against the university's code

1777
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 2: of conduct.

1778
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 9: Let's take a listen, Doctor Kornbluf at MIT, does calling

1779
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 9: for the genocide of Jews violate MIT's code of conduct

1780
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 9: or rules regarding bullying and harassment? Yes?

1781
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 8: Or no?

1782
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 13: You've targeted at individuals not making public statements?

1783
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 9: Yes or no. Calling for the genocide of Jews does

1784
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 9: not constitute bullying and harassment.

1785
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 13: I have not heard calling for the genocide for Jews

1786
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 13: on our campus.

1787
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 9: But you've heard chance for intifada.

1788
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 13: I've heard chance, which can be antisemitic depending on the context,

1789
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 13: when calling for the elimination of the Jewish people.

1790
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 9: So those would not be according to the MIT's code

1791
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 9: of conduct or rule.

1792
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:06,719
Speaker 13: That would be investigated of as harassment if pervasive and severe.

1793
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 9: Ms McGill at Penn, does calling for the genocide of

1794
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 9: Jews violate Pen's rules or code of conduct?

1795
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 8: Yes? Or no.

1796
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:22,520
Speaker 13: If the speech turns into conduct, it can be harassment.

1797
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 9: Yes, I am asking specifically calling for the genocide of Jews.

1798
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 9: Does that constitute bullying harassment?

1799
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:35,520
Speaker 12: If it is directed and severe or pervasive, it is harassment.

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01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 9: So the answer is yes.

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01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:39,879
Speaker 3: It is a context dependent decision.

1802
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 9: Congresswoman, It's a context dependent decision. That's your testimony today,

1803
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 9: calling for the genocide of Jews is depending upon the context,

1804
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:51,440
Speaker 9: that is not bullying or harassment. This is the easiest

1805
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 9: question to answer, yes, Miss McGill. So is your testimony

1806
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 9: that you will not answer yes?

1807
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 4: If it is yes or no.

1808
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 13: If the speech becomes conduct, it can be harassment.

1809
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 9: Yes, conduct meaning committing the act of genocide. The speech

1810
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 9: is not harassment. This is unacceptab Miss micguil. I'm gonna

1811
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 9: give you one more opportunity for the world to see

1812
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 9: your answer. Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate

1813
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 9: pens Code of conduct when it comes to bullying and harassment?

1814
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 9: Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard's rules

1815
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 9: of bullying and harassment? Yes?

1816
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 8: Or no?

1817
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 14: It can be depending on the context.

1818
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 9: What's the context?

1819
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 14: Target it as an individual, targeted at an individual.

1820
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 9: It's targeted at Jewish students, Jewish individuals. Do you understand

1821
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 9: your testimony is dehumanizing them? Do you understand that dehumanization

1822
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 9: is part of anti Semitism? I will ask you one

1823
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 9: more time. Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate

1824
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,560
Speaker 9: Harvard's rules of bullying and harassment?

1825
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 2: Yes?

1826
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 14: Or no anti Semitic rhetoric, and is it anti Semitic rhetoric?

1827
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 14: Anti Semitic rhetoric when it crosses into conduct that amounts

1828
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 14: to bullying, harassment, intimidation, that is actionable conduct, and we

1829
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 14: do take action.

1830
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 9: The answer is yes, and this is why you should resign.

1831
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 9: These are unacceptable answers across the board.

1832
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong. It sounds bad.

1833
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:29,640
Speaker 2: And also we also know that if you replace the

1834
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 2: word Jew with trans or black, they would give a

1835
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 2: different answer. But that gets me to the crux of

1836
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 2: the point. There is a freak out of unprecedented proportions

1837
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 2: over this clip from the likes of billionaire hedge fund

1838
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 2: manager Bill Ackman, from celebrities, from pretty much every right

1839
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 2: wing pundit who is out there right now calling the

1840
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:51,759
Speaker 2: president for calling out the presidents for not immediately saying yes.

1841
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 2: And it's not just they're furious over the hypocrisy. It's

1842
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:58,600
Speaker 2: that they want an end state where calling for genocide

1843
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 2: would result in an immediate expulsion over the so called

1844
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 2: bullying and harassment policies of these universities. Again, this is

1845
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 2: after years of this entire ecosystem talking about how these

1846
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 2: systems are unfair, kangaroo court struggle. Session systems proliferated with

1847
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 2: talk of marginalization, snowflakes, safe spaces that violate the basic

1848
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 2: tenets of the First Amendment. And that's where I got

1849
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 2: to speak out. I jumped on board the train when

1850
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:28,520
Speaker 2: I thought we agreed that system itself was flawed.

1851
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 3: Illegitimate, and Unamerican.

1852
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:32,640
Speaker 2: Now that you are upset, you don't fit the definition

1853
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 2: of marginalization, which within the diversity, equity and inclusion regime.

1854
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 2: As my friend Jason Willick has so aptly pointed out

1855
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:43,759
Speaker 2: in the Aftermath quote, the presidents did not give good answers,

1856
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 2: but they were right to not answer categorically. There is

1857
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 2: no genocide exception to the First Amendment in America, unlike

1858
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 2: many countries. You can say Hitler was right. Either campuses

1859
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 2: tolerate First Amendment speech or they don't. The obvious retort then,

1860
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 2: is that these are private universities. The First Amendment doesn't

1861
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 2: apply when we're talking about the code of conduct. And

1862
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 2: he gave what I thought was the best answer. When

1863
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 2: universities have embraced their conception of purpose as expelling people

1864
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 2: with bad beliefs, the result has been an aggressive and

1865
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 2: polarizing suppression of disfavored political ideas. First Amendment neutrality is

1866
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 2: the least bad model realistically available to major US universities,

1867
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 2: and I could not agree with that more. It leads

1868
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 2: me to what I think is the best mental path

1869
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 2: forward to think of this. Many American Jews right now

1870
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 2: are outraged that they are not considered marginalized and instead

1871
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 2: demand to be so. This reminds me of huge debates

1872
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 2: within the Indian community and amongst Asians whenever there was

1873
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,600
Speaker 2: a fight over affirmative action. Asians had a choice. We

1874
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 2: could try and adopt the language of black liberation and

1875
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 2: convince these higher education DII monsters we too are marginalized,

1876
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 2: and that's why we also should get preferential treatment for

1877
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 2: admission in higher ed. Or we could reclaim our rights

1878
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 2: as American citizens to demand equal protection under the law

1879
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 2: and race color blindness and striking down an unfair system.

1880
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 2: We joined forces with those who sought to destroy racial

1881
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 2: preferences and college admissions, and it was the right thing

1882
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 2: to do, not only because it secured our rights for

1883
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 2: fairness and higher ed throughout the United States, but it

1884
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 2: enshrined those rights for whatever group may be considered not

1885
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:25,679
Speaker 2: sufficiently marginalized one hundred years from now. Jews themselves should

1886
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 2: understand this. They were the first to be discriminated against

1887
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 2: at Ivy League universities and throughout the American elite in

1888
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 2: the early nineteen hundreds.

1889
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 3: But I'm not naive.

1890
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 2: Jewish leaders and most Republican members of Congress have instead

1891
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 2: decided to abandon the pretense of calling for free speech

1892
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 2: and instead adopting a censorious dei machine as their own,

1893
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 2: to be used for their own ends. Consider the recent

1894
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 2: testimony of many Jewish students on campuses who attest to

1895
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 2: not feeling safe and describing what they say are horrible conditions.

1896
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 10: CIA protesters blocking the hallways, storming the offices of the

1897
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:03,640
Speaker 10: MIT israel Inmanship offices, and harassing the staff and faculty there,

1898
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 10: and inviting dangerous outsiders to campus to join them in

1899
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:11,599
Speaker 10: yelling hateful and violent chants. This is the same climate

1900
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 10: of antisemitism that has led to massacres of Jews throughout

1901
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 10: the centuries. This is not just harassment, this is our

1902
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 10: lives on the line.

1903
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 3: What is it like to be a Jew at nyu?

1904
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 15: Being a Jew at Nyu is walking to class and

1905
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:30,680
Speaker 15: passing torn into faced posters of innocent hostages with the

1906
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:34,600
Speaker 15: words occupier and murderer written across their faces. It has

1907
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 15: gone to Boath's Library to study and being interrupted by

1908
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 15: unauthorized protests where students and faculty call for a globalized

1909
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 15: into thoughder revolution.

1910
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 10: Since October seventh.

1911
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 15: The unmistakable anti Semitism that I've experienced on campus is

1912
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 15: reminiscent of the jew hatred I've heard about from my grandparents,

1913
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:58,760
Speaker 15: Holocaust survivors who experienced firsthand the deafening silence of their

1914
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 15: neighbors in Poland and in Germany when the Nazis first

1915
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:02,240
Speaker 15: rose to power.

1916
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 2: On a personal level, I feel bad for these students,

1917
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure it sucks, but replace their rhetoric with many

1918
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 2: who have preceded them, who were trans black, BIPOC whatever

1919
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:13,679
Speaker 2: the djour term is these days, made up mumbo jumbo

1920
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:17,600
Speaker 2: about how they don't feel safe on campus from statements

1921
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 2: made by people who they disagree with, you end up

1922
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 2: with the same regime. They equate feeling safe with hearing

1923
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 2: things that make them uncomfortable and hearing things that they

1924
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 2: find abhorrent to that.

1925
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:29,880
Speaker 3: I say, welcome to society.

1926
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 2: Two months ago that was not a controversial point amongst

1927
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 2: a certain set, but apparently nowadays. So I'm going to

1928
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:37,720
Speaker 2: end with wise words from my friend Jason, who I

1929
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 2: should say is also Jewish. The organizing ideology of elite

1930
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:44,520
Speaker 2: American universities isn't free and cree and liberal neutrality.

1931
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 3: It is identity politics.

1932
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:50,880
Speaker 2: Under identity politics, groups deemed marginalized are led entitled to affirmation.

1933
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 2: Jews have never made a good identity politics client group.

1934
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 2: So when Jews demand the universities acknowledge a cause near

1935
01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 2: to their hearts as readily as they acknowledge other they

1936
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 2: are pulling a familiar lever on a broken machine. And

1937
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 2: he wisely ends quote. If universities are seen to foment

1938
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 2: and encourage identity politics, except when it targets Jews, that

1939
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 2: would only further stoke anti Semitism. The problem needs to

1940
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 2: be addressed at its source, which is the illegitimate DEI

1941
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 2: regime itself.

1942
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 3: And that's what's driven me totally.

1943
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Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Sagres's monologue,

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