WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Offense vs. Defense 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:06.680 The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:17.040 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys, Let's go. Are 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:19.920 you ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:25.040 a break? Absolutely? Ready for a break? Yeah, and so 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.920 much for that. It's time for The Break on Dallas 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:35.040 Cowboys dot Com with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:42.040 Garcia and Derek Eagleton. It is Monday, December sixth, twenty 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:46.120 twenty one, Season seventeen, episode number seventy two. Welcome to 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:48.199 the latest edition of The Break. We are live from 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.479 that WBC Morgat studios at the Star, coming off a 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:53.320 little bit of a weekend here where we didn't have 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:55.560 a football we had to cover, got to watch a 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:57.320 little football. So we got a lot of talk to 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.200 do today about this team. We're gonna actually take this 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.680 data to count today. Innimi actually to take a lot 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:05.600 of questions. I have some questions lined up for this 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:08.000 group that we'll talk about. We'll take some questions from 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.119 you guys. I know you've already been sending them on Twitter. 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:13.120 I've got lots of questions there, and you guys can 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.080 also call us the numbers eight eight eight eight five 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:19.039 five two two nine seven again eight eight eight eight 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.240 five five two two nine seven. You should take advantage 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:24.160 of this. It's not very often that we allow you 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.720 guys to send us questions and we actually get to them. 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:29.920 So take advantage there it is. Yeah, there's got You 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.400 got two days of this, so make sure you take 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:34.279 advantage of it. We'll try to answer as many questions 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.240 as we can over these next couple shows. Uh, Nick, 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:39.360 give me a seventy two. I was gonna give you 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:43.199 the translation of what that really meant, that we're taking calls. 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.160 I mean, I didn't really feel like doing a rundown. 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:47.319 Not true, because I got a list of questions here 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.320 that I got. There's only one seventy two. It's two, 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.960 it's all Jones. Is there only one to No, there's 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.320 probably Travis Frederick. I think we're seventy two. Maybe in 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.480 Travis will take offense to that. He did good, all right, 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:00.880 he took offense to a lot of thing. That's good. 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.280 He's a great center, a great player. They need him, 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.240 they miss him. But Tutam Jones seventy seventy two, I 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.679 mean that he played for fifteen years. Let me ask 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:11.639 you a question, as a guy that covered a deep cover. 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:15.240 But you watched the Cowboys a long time? Was he 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.520 like for for an outside, I wasn't a Cowboys fan. 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:21.120 Was he ever as big as his persona? Because of 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.960 course as a as a non Cowboys fan, you hear 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.959 two Tall Jones, he's big. You know, you always thought, oh, 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:30.120 two Tall Jones, Was he ever that good? No? Now 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:32.320 I think I think if his name was Ed Jones, 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.280 I don't think he I do, And I thought the 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.040 same thing about me and Joe Green, and then no, 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:43.519 that's not that's not He was awesome. He was awesome. Joe. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:45.679 shout out to heck Ma Harrison, who's related to me 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.840 and Joe Green. Yeah, I'm sure people know that. Uh, 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:50.840 two Tall Jones. I think he was the other side 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.200 of Harvey Martin. Harvey Martin was better. He was tall, 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.000 sixty nine, it's tall. And he had a cool name. Yeah, 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:57.519 it's cool and all that. And I think he was 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:59.720 a really good player, many three Pro Bowls. But I 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:01.840 think you know his longevity he played and you know 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:03.079 it was number one pick. I don't know if he 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.640 ever lived up to that, But I don't know. I 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:09.480 mean seventy he's seventy two. Tristan Hill's also seventy two. 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:13.160 Let's go, let's get back. He's back, and oh yeah 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.560 he is. He's one of the guys. He left again 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:17.720 and he came back. A lot of stuff happened last week, 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:20.600 A lot of stuff. This too much stuff happening with 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.360 this team. I'm actually looking forward to this week. You 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:27.760 get hopefully, hopefully you got coaches all back, you got 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.200 players all back. I heard you say this morning on 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:32.280 the radio, Nick, this might be the healthiest they've been 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.680 all season. Injury if yes, if if there are no 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:40.240 more COVID cases, A big testing day. Although today tomorrow Wednesday, Right, 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:44.000 it's it's ten am, knocking on all the wood around me. 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:48.240 But I think if something ridiculous was gonna pop off, 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.440 it would probably be in the news cycle by now. Well, 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.200 but I'm not thinking about that so much. I'm thinking 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.240 about you know, guys get a weekend where they don't 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.120 have to play football. Oh for sure, they do a 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.760 little traveling, and you exposed somewhere you know still is 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.400 so it's so it's certainly that's that's the part you 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:05.560 gotta be worried about throughout the week. Come back this 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:09.800 next few weeks, just kick ass completely and then I'll 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.640 be like, Yep, never doubted them, not a single time. 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.039 At least you're self aware. I want to know if 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:17.680 you say the other way, if it goes the other way, 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.000 what are you saying? Because this is gonna get real interesting. 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:24.159 They got some division, start throwing names and who we're 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.600 gonna fire this year. I mean, if they keep win, 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:29.760 if they win, you know, reel off a few more wins, 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.280 then then the narrative is going to be, well, they 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.320 won't win the super Bowl because they can't win in AFC, 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.920 but but they can beat everybody else. Yeah, well, we'll 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.040 see what all happens. We're actually gonna save the talk 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.840 of the rest of the NFC till tomorrow. There was 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:45.920 some interesting things that happened this weekend. We'll get into 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:48.480 some of that tomorrow. But I wanted to hit some 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.160 bigger picture questions today, and I'm gonna start with some 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.640 questions I have you guys will get some questions from 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:55.760 our listeners here in a second. I want to start 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.960 with a true false question. The defense is the most 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:04.920 reliable unit on this team? True or false? True? True? 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:09.760 I'm more reliable right now are you making a thing 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:11.800 because I'm waiting. I'm waiting for day and I want 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:13.040 to see. I want to see. We're gonna get a 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:19.559 discussion here. False? False. I hate it's Monday. It's Monday 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:27.520 morning after why the most reliable? What's what's reliable mean? 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.480 Like reliable to not piss you off, Reliable to do 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.719 their job, Reliable to be who you thought they were. 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:36.000 That's okay, which, right, who did we think they were? 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.080 Exactly right, that's exactly what we thought they were. Grating 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:40.840 them on a curve right now? I think, yeah, we 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:43.400 have thirty six points two weeks ago, That's what I'm saying. 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:47.600 They had an awful day against Vegas, not that long ago, 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:51.039 ten days ago. Um reliable to me? I see it 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.760 as who has been like most consistent throughout the whole season, 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.600 been the team that you know kind of what you're 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.120 gonna get. They've been solid. They're all the best defense 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.760 in the NFL. But they given you enough for you 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.160 to have your offense do what they need to do. 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.320 Now is some of the offense who hasn't been able 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:10.800 to consistently give you what they need to give you. You 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:13.560 You know what you're absolutely like I'm thinking through this live. 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.479 This is where Rundown's come in handy. But now that 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.159 I say that, I think you're right. I think I 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:23.480 think you're right because really what they've played twelve games, 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:28.000 and the defense more often than not, probably in ten 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.359 of those twelve games, has done what they do, Like, 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:34.400 they pretty reliably get picks, They pretty reliably hold people 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:38.440 below twenty four points. Even some of the uglier losses 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.280 like Denver, it's not like the defense just got run 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.560 out of the building immediately. I mean they didn't play well, 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:47.280 but like Denver, they didn't get they didn't have a 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.520 three score lead until like midway through the third right 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:51.760 like it was sixteen nothing. They were forcing them to 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:55.279 kick field goals a little bit, whereas the offense is 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.600 kind of I mean, no showed at least three or 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:01.960 four times at this point, and recently that's it's all 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.640 about recency, right, And even remember recently and even in 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:08.520 the run of blowouts like the forty point games in September, 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.480 you know, the Carolina game, the Giants game, I mean, 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:13.520 the defense will scoring new points in that game in 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:18.000 those games as well, So yeah, I think true still 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:21.960 hold them false, Yeah, but I mean it just goes 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.080 to show this team can be really good. This could 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:27.400 be this could be a team that you know can win, 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:29.520 I mean, can can get to the super Bowl. It 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.760 really can. Because if you're number one, if you got 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.040 the number one offense in the NFL, and we're saying 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.200 that the defense is more reliable, I think so I 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.480 think they're still number one. They're I mean they're still 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.120 up at the top of the list, and I mean 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.520 they're right there, and you know that that just goes 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:46.800 to show. And I think a lot of it comes 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.080 down to expectations. I mean we look at what we're 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.160 expecting them to be and but I mean, you guys 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.160 are right. I mean the defense has been I mean 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.040 they get picked, they could, they could turnovers that they 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.760 give opportunities for the offense, and the game that they've lost, 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.480 the offense really didn't show out. So I think the 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.280 answer is right is the answer is, yes, the defense 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:09.720 is more reliable. The offense on their best day is 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.240 better than the defense on its best day. Yes, but 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:15.040 it doesn't always happen. And let's not confuse with them 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:17.400 with a team that is going to get carried where 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.400 they want to go by right they're not, but but 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:24.760 they they've they've surpassed any expectation you could ever say. 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:30.360 And Michael Parsons just, I mean, he's he's just an animal. 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.640 And let's let's remember, let's remember they still have not 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.560 played with their full compliment of parts, and and hopefully 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:39.800 that comes this weekend, but they still haven't done that, 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.240 and so to be playing as well as they are, 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:44.640 again not perfect, but playing as well as they are 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.800 with kind of having having to mix guys and figure 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.840 out places for guys. You give them all their players 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:53.160 at one time. Let's see how far they can go. 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.120 Maybe they do become a defense that's even more reliable 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.640 than what we've seen so far. True. Their seventh and 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.960 offensive efficiency right now, which is they were up in 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:04.160 the top three before. But still explaining to people would 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:09.120 offensive efficient just football outsiders DVOA. It's basically again explained 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.040 to people what that is. I know, I know what 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.880 you're talking about, but I get into analytics. Everybody doesn't. 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.000 It's explain DVOA is just a weighted term where they 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:20.560 literally compare the success of every play that you run 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.600 in a season up against the league standard and see 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.280 how you fare. So like every time you're snapping the ball, 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.280 how well do you do and it's there's no such 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.559 thing as a perfect stat but it's just a reliable 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:33.920 metric for how not only how well you move the ball, 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.520 but how reliably you do it. There you go perfect. 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.160 All right, Let's move on to the next question. Michael 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.480 Parsons is again true or false Michael Parsons should be 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.520 defensive player of the year, should be or will be? 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:51.439 Should be? Actually, yeah, I don't know the best player. 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.200 I don't think he's not defensive player in the league. 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:54.960 I don't think I don't think he's the best defensive 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.240 player in the league. I'm sorry, I can't go there, 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.240 and maybe that's just me being stuff right, No, I 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.920 really which you can do? Now? Now, I'll say this 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:06.600 inside linebacker. I don't watch them all, but like I 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:08.760 think I think he could be all pro I do 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.600 I think he could be an all pro inside linebacker. 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:17.360 I think Miles Garrett, though, is pretty damn good over there. Absolutely, 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:18.840 when you start talking about defensive player of the the year, 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:20.760 offensive player of the year, all of them are going 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.319 to be really, really good. I guess what I get 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.920 back to is everything that he's done this year. Yeah, 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.800 I think that you can't just say he's just a 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.400 pass rusher. He's a lot more than that. So when 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.360 you factor it all in, should he be defensive Player 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.800 of the Year, I would I prefer to answer it 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.920 this way, and I don't think he will be because 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.040 there's too many things the question, there's too many things 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.880 working against him. He's got a teammate. If here's your 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.560 defensive Player of the Year, vote, who are you voting? Yeah, 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:55.199 that's what That's what I know. Actually, can only mark 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.720 I take the easy way out. I take the easy 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.800 way mark both and get it wrong. No, I give 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.800 it to I'd have to go. Look, I either give 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:04.800 it to t J. Water, Miles Garrett, and I give 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.120 Mike a defensive Rookie of the year. It's just And 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.040 that's that's why I say. That's what voters are gonna 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.880 do too, what they do. But they're gonna say, we 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.679 don't want you win, and you here though, and still 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:16.400 give you your props. Yeah, and I don't think the 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.160 likelihood is that he will win. I'm the question really 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.920 is should he Is he in that category of player 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.360 where he should hear? Basically, I think serious content. I 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:29.320 think I can speak for Nick here is that he's 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.760 got a case. But you just feel weird saying it. 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:34.800 You're just like, so he's Lawrence Taylor because he's the 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:36.520 only other rookie to do it. Yeah, you want to 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:38.920 put him in that category. Maybe you should, but maybe 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.560 you do. You want to be the one that does it. Okay, 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.200 if you're okay with that, that's fine. But those of 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.520 us who grew the true false game for a second, 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.199 all right, say what you want to say. No, say 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:52.800 what you want you want to say it. Well, I 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.360 made the case last week. I said I cannot think 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.960 of it. And I've been asking people, everybody I learnt 0:11:57.960 --> 0:11:59.959 across that we start talking about the Cowboys. I've asked 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.960 from all the same question. Name a defensive player in 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:04.800 the history of the NFL that's done all the things 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:06.520 that this guy has done in his rookie year. I 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:08.920 can't find one. I honestly can't find one. Get a 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:12.160 pick he needs, he needs a pick, he needs to 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.080 hit for the cycle. Last week I was sitting on 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:19.160 my desk and you, Derek, you were talking to Nick 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.920 about Mica and you were like so excited you your 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:26.120 voice hit like a high pitch and like, you know, 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.360 when a teenager is going through that transition, a kid 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:33.959 is transitioned. And I'm like, dang, I guess Derek is 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:37.080 really excited when I get when I get passed, when 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.720 I get real, I get real excited and I start 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.800 talking fast and high voice goes up everything. But I 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.080 think this guy's that good. He really is that good, 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:48.280 and I can't I can't find anybody to give me 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:50.760 rationale for why he isn't as good as I think 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.199 he is. Look, I'm okay with the idea if somebody 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:54.640 can give me that rational I haven't be able to 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:56.920 find it, right, Like everybody that I talked to there, 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.880 like here's a question I can't really answer, and so 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.920 I'm left to think that he may be the best. 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:07.439 So I don't know. Two guys that Dave just mentioned 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:11.560 are guys on teams that are probably out of the 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.200 playoff race or fighting for it right now, you know, 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.720 and so wild cards. So you you you think, all right, well, 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.080 who who is the top team? Like Who's and the 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:24.600 Patriots are actually the top team in the AFC, which 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:28.320 very quietly have a corner who's having a Diggs like season. 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.680 By the way, that's true, that guy is J. C. Jackson. 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:32.640 What does he have like one let one or two 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.760 less than I think? But they haven't played tonight, so 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.560 you could know you could get there and then on 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.080 the NFC, I mean, the Cardinals have the number one 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.439 seed right thinks currently, so we have two lost. I 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.720 don't know who the baker I mean, I don't know. 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.240 I mean who's carrying those teams, That's what I'm saying. 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.120 So you know, Cowboys are right up there. You can 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.439 you can make the case where I mean, five weeks ago, 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:56.800 if you would have, say the Cowboys would have a 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:58.840 contender for the Defensive Player of the Year, we'd be like, 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.040 well Diggs must have ten eleven you think, you know, 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.559 but he's he's not. I mean, I think people can 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.840 see not see through digs, but they see that he's 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.240 got some issues too. He makes picks. I'm not gonna 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.000 sit here and call him Chris Carter. I'm not gonna 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:13.640 sit there there. All he does catch you know, he 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.400 does get picks, like because that's pretty good. Yeah, but 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.400 like he he's got some some things in his game 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.440 that you can see why he was maybe you know 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:24.640 he filled in the second round, but you can also 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:26.840 see why he had first round grades because he can 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.520 make plays. Yeah, I'll just put it this way. I 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.760 think we actually answered a mail bag question about this 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.800 today and what I said was, I don't think he'll 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.560 win it, but I don't I no longer think that 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:42.040 that's a crazy thing to say. Well, he absolutely deserves 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.760 to be in that conversation. His versatility is amazing. I 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:48.560 just think the precedent is what's going to turn people off. 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:50.400 They're like, are we really We're gonna put this guy 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.560 in a conversation with Lawrence Taylor? And then you'd think 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.200 he's got Rookie of the Year locked up right now. 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.160 I can't. I'm sure there's somebody else having a decent season, 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.600 but between how amazing my is and the Cowboys past 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.480 star brand power, he's already got that one. So I 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.360 think people are gonna say Micah gets Rookie of the Year, 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:10.880 what Garrett whoever gets Player of the Year, and we 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:12.760 just we can just make it easy on herself. The 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.800 blame brought us for that, You know that, Dave, Dave. 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.720 I know it probably pisses you off that Dave does that, 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.000 and I think it stems from brought us because brought 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:21.880 Us didn't waste his time with stuff like that. He'd 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:23.360 be like, if it's not gonna happen, why I'm I 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.600 gonna say argue about it? Will tell me all the time. 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.840 So it's like, I'm not gonna talk about what I think. Yeah, 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:29.960 doesn't matter. What I think is a what's gonna happen, 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.120 which is which is fair too. It doesn't always make 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.160 for you know, you want to have this radio kind 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.040 of but that's like your opinion. I always offer my opinion. 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.680 I just want to qualify. Yeh. Can't you just see 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.240 brought Us sitting there at his feet up, like, what 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:43.320 are we talking about here? It's not gonna happen, and 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.080 I gonna go to rookie in Okay, I'll tell you. 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.680 I'll say this too though, especially this year, I was 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.120 thinking about this on the drive to work. Just there's 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.120 it feels like so much more season is left than 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:56.600 there usually is at this point in December, even though 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:58.080 it's just one more game in five game. I mean, 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:00.320 if if Mica keeps up this pace, what he's got, 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:01.760 I think it's five games in a row with a 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:05.040 sack or at least four or five. Yeah, okay, do 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.960 the math on that. I mean, sixteen sacks, maybe throwing 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.960 a forced fumble or an interception or defenses were talking 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:15.200 quarterback pressures. He's got everything because because you're talking about 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.360 breaking the record now ye yeah, Now the record for 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:20.800 rookie sacks is fourteen and a half and somebody actually 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:22.840 did this step remember we talked about it. I'm like, like, 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.400 I think I saw where he ranks fifth and sacks 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:31.080 in the NFL. He ranks ninety sixth in pass rush attempts. 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.760 That's a great stat So that's a great stat So yeah, 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.000 I mean and then when he's not doing that, he's 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.360 doing other things and he's I mean, which then then 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.760 people arguable, why is he only ranked ninety sixth? And 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.760 you know, like maybe you should be sending him right, 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:49.880 It's like like a pinch hitter that like leads the 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:51.760 league in homers. You wait, wait a second here, what 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.200 are we doing? Yeah? But I mean, honestly, you kind 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:55.760 of have to you and I had to scout discussion 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.000 of maybe a couple of weeks ago, like the what 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.240 you got right now at linebacker? You kind I need 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.280 him at linebacker when you get those pass rushers back. 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.040 I think you got to use him at linebacker just 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.360 because linebacker crew outside of him, it's not very good. Now, 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.159 in my opinion, I can't believe about that. I couldn't 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:14.280 believe honestly that Layton vander esh had one tackle and 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:16.960 zero solo tackles, just an assisted tackle for the game. 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.160 Has a lineback has a linebacker? I mean, that's that's 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.160 that's job number one. I mean at the actor, Broke 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.160 Cox got a line I got a tackle the other week, 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:25.920 and he's been on IR. I mean, I'm just saying, 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.159 you get you get tackles if you're a linebacker. Can 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.239 we talk about him real? We're gonna talk about him. 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:32.080 We gotta go to a break, but that's probably gonna 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:33.919 take a segment. So let's just go to break first 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.240 and we'll come back and we'll have a little conversation 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:38.240 on on Layton Vanderhull. We'll come right back. 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