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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar
Speaker 1: Garcia and Derek Eagleton. It is Monday, December sixth, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, Season seventeen, episode number seventy two. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the latest edition of The Break. We are live from
Speaker 1: that WBC Morgat studios at the Star, coming off a
Speaker 1: little bit of a weekend here where we didn't have
Speaker 1: a football we had to cover, got to watch a
Speaker 1: little football. So we got a lot of talk to
Speaker 1: do today about this team. We're gonna actually take this
Speaker 1: data to count today. Innimi actually to take a lot
Speaker 1: of questions. I have some questions lined up for this
Speaker 1: group that we'll talk about. We'll take some questions from
Speaker 1: you guys. I know you've already been sending them on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I've got lots of questions there, and you guys can
Speaker 1: also call us the numbers eight eight eight eight five
Speaker 1: five two two nine seven again eight eight eight eight
Speaker 1: five five two two nine seven. You should take advantage
Speaker 1: of this. It's not very often that we allow you
Speaker 1: guys to send us questions and we actually get to them.
Speaker 1: So take advantage there it is. Yeah, there's got You
Speaker 1: got two days of this, so make sure you take
Speaker 1: advantage of it. We'll try to answer as many questions
Speaker 1: as we can over these next couple shows. Uh, Nick,
Speaker 1: give me a seventy two. I was gonna give you
Speaker 1: the translation of what that really meant, that we're taking calls.
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't really feel like doing a rundown.
Speaker 1: Not true, because I got a list of questions here
Speaker 1: that I got. There's only one seventy two. It's two,
Speaker 1: it's all Jones. Is there only one to No, there's
Speaker 1: probably Travis Frederick. I think we're seventy two. Maybe in
Speaker 1: Travis will take offense to that. He did good, all right,
Speaker 1: he took offense to a lot of thing. That's good.
Speaker 1: He's a great center, a great player. They need him,
Speaker 1: they miss him. But Tutam Jones seventy seventy two, I
Speaker 1: mean that he played for fifteen years. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you a question, as a guy that covered a deep cover.
Speaker 1: But you watched the Cowboys a long time? Was he
Speaker 1: like for for an outside, I wasn't a Cowboys fan.
Speaker 1: Was he ever as big as his persona? Because of
Speaker 1: course as a as a non Cowboys fan, you hear
Speaker 1: two Tall Jones, he's big. You know, you always thought, oh,
Speaker 1: two Tall Jones, Was he ever that good? No? Now
Speaker 1: I think I think if his name was Ed Jones,
Speaker 1: I don't think he I do, And I thought the
Speaker 1: same thing about me and Joe Green, and then no,
Speaker 1: that's not that's not He was awesome. He was awesome. Joe. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out to heck Ma Harrison, who's related to me
Speaker 1: and Joe Green. Yeah, I'm sure people know that. Uh,
Speaker 1: two Tall Jones. I think he was the other side
Speaker 1: of Harvey Martin. Harvey Martin was better. He was tall,
Speaker 1: sixty nine, it's tall. And he had a cool name. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's cool and all that. And I think he was
Speaker 1: a really good player, many three Pro Bowls. But I
Speaker 1: think you know his longevity he played and you know
Speaker 1: it was number one pick. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: ever lived up to that, But I don't know. I
Speaker 1: mean seventy he's seventy two. Tristan Hill's also seventy two.
Speaker 1: Let's go, let's get back. He's back, and oh yeah
Speaker 1: he is. He's one of the guys. He left again
Speaker 1: and he came back. A lot of stuff happened last week,
Speaker 1: A lot of stuff. This too much stuff happening with
Speaker 1: this team. I'm actually looking forward to this week. You
Speaker 1: get hopefully, hopefully you got coaches all back, you got
Speaker 1: players all back. I heard you say this morning on
Speaker 1: the radio, Nick, this might be the healthiest they've been
Speaker 1: all season. Injury if yes, if if there are no
Speaker 1: more COVID cases, A big testing day. Although today tomorrow Wednesday, Right,
Speaker 1: it's it's ten am, knocking on all the wood around me.
Speaker 1: But I think if something ridiculous was gonna pop off,
Speaker 1: it would probably be in the news cycle by now. Well,
Speaker 1: but I'm not thinking about that so much. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about you know, guys get a weekend where they don't
Speaker 1: have to play football. Oh for sure, they do a
Speaker 1: little traveling, and you exposed somewhere you know still is
Speaker 1: so it's so it's certainly that's that's the part you
Speaker 1: gotta be worried about throughout the week. Come back this
Speaker 1: next few weeks, just kick ass completely and then I'll
Speaker 1: be like, Yep, never doubted them, not a single time.
Speaker 1: At least you're self aware. I want to know if
Speaker 1: you say the other way, if it goes the other way,
Speaker 1: what are you saying? Because this is gonna get real interesting.
Speaker 1: They got some division, start throwing names and who we're
Speaker 1: gonna fire this year. I mean, if they keep win,
Speaker 1: if they win, you know, reel off a few more wins,
Speaker 1: then then the narrative is going to be, well, they
Speaker 1: won't win the super Bowl because they can't win in AFC,
Speaker 1: but but they can beat everybody else. Yeah, well, we'll
Speaker 1: see what all happens. We're actually gonna save the talk
Speaker 1: of the rest of the NFC till tomorrow. There was
Speaker 1: some interesting things that happened this weekend. We'll get into
Speaker 1: some of that tomorrow. But I wanted to hit some
Speaker 1: bigger picture questions today, and I'm gonna start with some
Speaker 1: questions I have you guys will get some questions from
Speaker 1: our listeners here in a second. I want to start
Speaker 1: with a true false question. The defense is the most
Speaker 1: reliable unit on this team? True or false? True? True?
Speaker 1: I'm more reliable right now are you making a thing
Speaker 1: because I'm waiting. I'm waiting for day and I want
Speaker 1: to see. I want to see. We're gonna get a
Speaker 1: discussion here. False? False. I hate it's Monday. It's Monday
Speaker 1: morning after why the most reliable? What's what's reliable mean?
Speaker 1: Like reliable to not piss you off, Reliable to do
Speaker 1: their job, Reliable to be who you thought they were.
Speaker 1: That's okay, which, right, who did we think they were?
Speaker 1: Exactly right, that's exactly what we thought they were. Grating
Speaker 1: them on a curve right now? I think, yeah, we
Speaker 1: have thirty six points two weeks ago, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They had an awful day against Vegas, not that long ago,
Speaker 1: ten days ago. Um reliable to me? I see it
Speaker 1: as who has been like most consistent throughout the whole season,
Speaker 1: been the team that you know kind of what you're
Speaker 1: gonna get. They've been solid. They're all the best defense
Speaker 1: in the NFL. But they given you enough for you
Speaker 1: to have your offense do what they need to do.
Speaker 1: Now is some of the offense who hasn't been able
Speaker 1: to consistently give you what they need to give you. You
Speaker 1: You know what you're absolutely like I'm thinking through this live.
Speaker 1: This is where Rundown's come in handy. But now that
Speaker 1: I say that, I think you're right. I think I
Speaker 1: think you're right because really what they've played twelve games,
Speaker 1: and the defense more often than not, probably in ten
Speaker 1: of those twelve games, has done what they do, Like,
Speaker 1: they pretty reliably get picks, They pretty reliably hold people
Speaker 1: below twenty four points. Even some of the uglier losses
Speaker 1: like Denver, it's not like the defense just got run
Speaker 1: out of the building immediately. I mean they didn't play well,
Speaker 1: but like Denver, they didn't get they didn't have a
Speaker 1: three score lead until like midway through the third right
Speaker 1: like it was sixteen nothing. They were forcing them to
Speaker 1: kick field goals a little bit, whereas the offense is
Speaker 1: kind of I mean, no showed at least three or
Speaker 1: four times at this point, and recently that's it's all
Speaker 1: about recency, right, And even remember recently and even in
Speaker 1: the run of blowouts like the forty point games in September,
Speaker 1: you know, the Carolina game, the Giants game, I mean,
Speaker 1: the defense will scoring new points in that game in
Speaker 1: those games as well, So yeah, I think true still
Speaker 1: hold them false, Yeah, but I mean it just goes
Speaker 1: to show this team can be really good. This could
Speaker 1: be this could be a team that you know can win,
Speaker 1: I mean, can can get to the super Bowl. It
Speaker 1: really can. Because if you're number one, if you got
Speaker 1: the number one offense in the NFL, and we're saying
Speaker 1: that the defense is more reliable, I think so I
Speaker 1: think they're still number one. They're I mean they're still
Speaker 1: up at the top of the list, and I mean
Speaker 1: they're right there, and you know that that just goes
Speaker 1: to show. And I think a lot of it comes
Speaker 1: down to expectations. I mean we look at what we're
Speaker 1: expecting them to be and but I mean, you guys
Speaker 1: are right. I mean the defense has been I mean
Speaker 1: they get picked, they could, they could turnovers that they
Speaker 1: give opportunities for the offense, and the game that they've lost,
Speaker 1: the offense really didn't show out. So I think the
Speaker 1: answer is right is the answer is, yes, the defense
Speaker 1: is more reliable. The offense on their best day is
Speaker 1: better than the defense on its best day. Yes, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't always happen. And let's not confuse with them
Speaker 1: with a team that is going to get carried where
Speaker 1: they want to go by right they're not, but but
Speaker 1: they they've they've surpassed any expectation you could ever say.
Speaker 1: And Michael Parsons just, I mean, he's he's just an animal.
Speaker 1: And let's let's remember, let's remember they still have not
Speaker 1: played with their full compliment of parts, and and hopefully
Speaker 1: that comes this weekend, but they still haven't done that,
Speaker 1: and so to be playing as well as they are,
Speaker 1: again not perfect, but playing as well as they are
Speaker 1: with kind of having having to mix guys and figure
Speaker 1: out places for guys. You give them all their players
Speaker 1: at one time. Let's see how far they can go.
Speaker 1: Maybe they do become a defense that's even more reliable
Speaker 1: than what we've seen so far. True. Their seventh and
Speaker 1: offensive efficiency right now, which is they were up in
Speaker 1: the top three before. But still explaining to people would
Speaker 1: offensive efficient just football outsiders DVOA. It's basically again explained
Speaker 1: to people what that is. I know, I know what
Speaker 1: you're talking about, but I get into analytics. Everybody doesn't.
Speaker 1: It's explain DVOA is just a weighted term where they
Speaker 1: literally compare the success of every play that you run
Speaker 1: in a season up against the league standard and see
Speaker 1: how you fare. So like every time you're snapping the ball,
Speaker 1: how well do you do and it's there's no such
Speaker 1: thing as a perfect stat but it's just a reliable
Speaker 1: metric for how not only how well you move the ball,
Speaker 1: but how reliably you do it. There you go perfect.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's move on to the next question. Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons is again true or false Michael Parsons should be
Speaker 1: defensive player of the year, should be or will be?
Speaker 1: Should be? Actually, yeah, I don't know the best player.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's not defensive player in the league.
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think he's the best defensive
Speaker 1: player in the league. I'm sorry, I can't go there,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's just me being stuff right, No, I
Speaker 1: really which you can do? Now? Now, I'll say this
Speaker 1: inside linebacker. I don't watch them all, but like I
Speaker 1: think I think he could be all pro I do
Speaker 1: I think he could be an all pro inside linebacker.
Speaker 1: I think Miles Garrett, though, is pretty damn good over there. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: when you start talking about defensive player of the the year,
Speaker 1: offensive player of the year, all of them are going
Speaker 1: to be really, really good. I guess what I get
Speaker 1: back to is everything that he's done this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that you can't just say he's just a
Speaker 1: pass rusher. He's a lot more than that. So when
Speaker 1: you factor it all in, should he be defensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Year, I would I prefer to answer it
Speaker 1: this way, and I don't think he will be because
Speaker 1: there's too many things the question, there's too many things
Speaker 1: working against him. He's got a teammate. If here's your
Speaker 1: defensive Player of the Year, vote, who are you voting? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what That's what I know. Actually, can only mark
Speaker 1: I take the easy way out. I take the easy
Speaker 1: way mark both and get it wrong. No, I give
Speaker 1: it to I'd have to go. Look, I either give
Speaker 1: it to t J. Water, Miles Garrett, and I give
Speaker 1: Mike a defensive Rookie of the year. It's just And
Speaker 1: that's that's why I say. That's what voters are gonna
Speaker 1: do too, what they do. But they're gonna say, we
Speaker 1: don't want you win, and you here though, and still
Speaker 1: give you your props. Yeah, and I don't think the
Speaker 1: likelihood is that he will win. I'm the question really
Speaker 1: is should he Is he in that category of player
Speaker 1: where he should hear? Basically, I think serious content. I
Speaker 1: think I can speak for Nick here is that he's
Speaker 1: got a case. But you just feel weird saying it.
Speaker 1: You're just like, so he's Lawrence Taylor because he's the
Speaker 1: only other rookie to do it. Yeah, you want to
Speaker 1: put him in that category. Maybe you should, but maybe
Speaker 1: you do. You want to be the one that does it. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you're okay with that, that's fine. But those of
Speaker 1: us who grew the true false game for a second,
Speaker 1: all right, say what you want to say. No, say
Speaker 1: what you want you want to say it. Well, I
Speaker 1: made the case last week. I said I cannot think
Speaker 1: of it. And I've been asking people, everybody I learnt
Speaker 1: across that we start talking about the Cowboys. I've asked
Speaker 1: from all the same question. Name a defensive player in
Speaker 1: the history of the NFL that's done all the things
Speaker 1: that this guy has done in his rookie year. I
Speaker 1: can't find one. I honestly can't find one. Get a
Speaker 1: pick he needs, he needs a pick, he needs to
Speaker 1: hit for the cycle. Last week I was sitting on
Speaker 1: my desk and you, Derek, you were talking to Nick
Speaker 1: about Mica and you were like so excited you your
Speaker 1: voice hit like a high pitch and like, you know,
Speaker 1: when a teenager is going through that transition, a kid
Speaker 1: is transitioned. And I'm like, dang, I guess Derek is
Speaker 1: really excited when I get when I get passed, when
Speaker 1: I get real, I get real excited and I start
Speaker 1: talking fast and high voice goes up everything. But I
Speaker 1: think this guy's that good. He really is that good,
Speaker 1: and I can't I can't find anybody to give me
Speaker 1: rationale for why he isn't as good as I think
Speaker 1: he is. Look, I'm okay with the idea if somebody
Speaker 1: can give me that rational I haven't be able to
Speaker 1: find it, right, Like everybody that I talked to there,
Speaker 1: like here's a question I can't really answer, and so
Speaker 1: I'm left to think that he may be the best.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Two guys that Dave just mentioned
Speaker 1: are guys on teams that are probably out of the
Speaker 1: playoff race or fighting for it right now, you know,
Speaker 1: and so wild cards. So you you you think, all right, well,
Speaker 1: who who is the top team? Like Who's and the
Speaker 1: Patriots are actually the top team in the AFC, which
Speaker 1: very quietly have a corner who's having a Diggs like season.
Speaker 1: By the way, that's true, that guy is J. C. Jackson.
Speaker 1: What does he have like one let one or two
Speaker 1: less than I think? But they haven't played tonight, so
Speaker 1: you could know you could get there and then on
Speaker 1: the NFC, I mean, the Cardinals have the number one
Speaker 1: seed right thinks currently, so we have two lost. I
Speaker 1: don't know who the baker I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean who's carrying those teams, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you know, Cowboys are right up there. You can
Speaker 1: you can make the case where I mean, five weeks ago,
Speaker 1: if you would have, say the Cowboys would have a
Speaker 1: contender for the Defensive Player of the Year, we'd be like,
Speaker 1: well Diggs must have ten eleven you think, you know,
Speaker 1: but he's he's not. I mean, I think people can
Speaker 1: see not see through digs, but they see that he's
Speaker 1: got some issues too. He makes picks. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: sit here and call him Chris Carter. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: sit there there. All he does catch you know, he
Speaker 1: does get picks, like because that's pretty good. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: like he he's got some some things in his game
Speaker 1: that you can see why he was maybe you know
Speaker 1: he filled in the second round, but you can also
Speaker 1: see why he had first round grades because he can
Speaker 1: make plays. Yeah, I'll just put it this way. I
Speaker 1: think we actually answered a mail bag question about this
Speaker 1: today and what I said was, I don't think he'll
Speaker 1: win it, but I don't I no longer think that
Speaker 1: that's a crazy thing to say. Well, he absolutely deserves
Speaker 1: to be in that conversation. His versatility is amazing. I
Speaker 1: just think the precedent is what's going to turn people off.
Speaker 1: They're like, are we really We're gonna put this guy
Speaker 1: in a conversation with Lawrence Taylor? And then you'd think
Speaker 1: he's got Rookie of the Year locked up right now.
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm sure there's somebody else having a decent season,
Speaker 1: but between how amazing my is and the Cowboys past
Speaker 1: star brand power, he's already got that one. So I
Speaker 1: think people are gonna say Micah gets Rookie of the Year,
Speaker 1: what Garrett whoever gets Player of the Year, and we
Speaker 1: just we can just make it easy on herself. The
Speaker 1: blame brought us for that, You know that, Dave, Dave.
Speaker 1: I know it probably pisses you off that Dave does that,
Speaker 1: and I think it stems from brought us because brought
Speaker 1: Us didn't waste his time with stuff like that. He'd
Speaker 1: be like, if it's not gonna happen, why I'm I
Speaker 1: gonna say argue about it? Will tell me all the time.
Speaker 1: So it's like, I'm not gonna talk about what I think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. What I think is a what's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: which is which is fair too. It doesn't always make
Speaker 1: for you know, you want to have this radio kind
Speaker 1: of but that's like your opinion. I always offer my opinion.
Speaker 1: I just want to qualify. Yeh. Can't you just see
Speaker 1: brought Us sitting there at his feet up, like, what
Speaker 1: are we talking about here? It's not gonna happen, and
Speaker 1: I gonna go to rookie in Okay, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: I'll say this too though, especially this year, I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this on the drive to work. Just there's
Speaker 1: it feels like so much more season is left than
Speaker 1: there usually is at this point in December, even though
Speaker 1: it's just one more game in five game. I mean,
Speaker 1: if if Mica keeps up this pace, what he's got,
Speaker 1: I think it's five games in a row with a
Speaker 1: sack or at least four or five. Yeah, okay, do
Speaker 1: the math on that. I mean, sixteen sacks, maybe throwing
Speaker 1: a forced fumble or an interception or defenses were talking
Speaker 1: quarterback pressures. He's got everything because because you're talking about
Speaker 1: breaking the record now ye yeah, Now the record for
Speaker 1: rookie sacks is fourteen and a half and somebody actually
Speaker 1: did this step remember we talked about it. I'm like, like,
Speaker 1: I think I saw where he ranks fifth and sacks
Speaker 1: in the NFL. He ranks ninety sixth in pass rush attempts.
Speaker 1: That's a great stat So that's a great stat So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean and then when he's not doing that, he's
Speaker 1: doing other things and he's I mean, which then then
Speaker 1: people arguable, why is he only ranked ninety sixth? And
Speaker 1: you know, like maybe you should be sending him right,
Speaker 1: It's like like a pinch hitter that like leads the
Speaker 1: league in homers. You wait, wait a second here, what
Speaker 1: are we doing? Yeah? But I mean, honestly, you kind
Speaker 1: of have to you and I had to scout discussion
Speaker 1: of maybe a couple of weeks ago, like the what
Speaker 1: you got right now at linebacker? You kind I need
Speaker 1: him at linebacker when you get those pass rushers back.
Speaker 1: I think you got to use him at linebacker just
Speaker 1: because linebacker crew outside of him, it's not very good. Now,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, I can't believe about that. I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe honestly that Layton vander esh had one tackle and
Speaker 1: zero solo tackles, just an assisted tackle for the game.
Speaker 1: Has a lineback has a linebacker? I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's job number one. I mean at the actor, Broke
Speaker 1: Cox got a line I got a tackle the other week,
Speaker 1: and he's been on IR. I mean, I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: you get you get tackles if you're a linebacker. Can
Speaker 1: we talk about him real? We're gonna talk about him.
Speaker 1: We gotta go to a break, but that's probably gonna
Speaker 1: take a segment. So let's just go to break first
Speaker 1: and we'll come back and we'll have a little conversation
Speaker 1: on on Layton Vanderhull. We'll come right back. This is
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Speaker 1: It is the second segment of the break. Clive from
Speaker 1: the s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star, we're talking
Speaker 1: Cowboys football. We're into the final quarter of the season.
Speaker 1: It's December and five more games left, and so we
Speaker 1: should have a pretty good idea. We're past thanks again,
Speaker 1: we should have a pretty good idea of this team.
Speaker 1: So you guys should be able to give me some
Speaker 1: very thoughtful answers here on this team. So here's the question.
Speaker 1: We got this this question from Jazzy Joe on Twitter.
Speaker 1: He says, why not right? Why not bench Layton vander
Speaker 1: esh for who? For what? I hate that answer? Why no?
Speaker 1: Not to say it's not right? I'm saying I hate
Speaker 1: it because when you get into a situation where you
Speaker 1: know a player is not playing very well, but you
Speaker 1: don't have an answer like that's a product. I just
Speaker 1: I don't like questions like that because it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about it all the time. You you you
Speaker 1: say it to us every time we come into your
Speaker 1: office about something. You're like, okay, I hear you. But
Speaker 1: but it's a solution. So I mean, that's that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I mean, if you had somebody sitting there
Speaker 1: that was way better, you would do it. But I
Speaker 1: mean Luke Gifford, who who Gifford? And Francis Bernard. No,
Speaker 1: it's a sneaky, brutal loss that Jabril Cox towards a
Speaker 1: clum and that's not this. I doubt he would be
Speaker 1: playing all of the snaps right now, but they gave
Speaker 1: him maybe be playing a significant him out by now.
Speaker 1: They won't say. It's hard to say the number, but
Speaker 1: it's bigger than sneaky. You're well, you're right, I mean,
Speaker 1: I agree, I've been talking about it for weeks. I mean,
Speaker 1: they would have been increasing his role this whole time,
Speaker 1: right they started with goal line. If he answers that
Speaker 1: it gets bigger and bigger. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: Kean O'Neill and Layton Vanderesh, neither one of them is
Speaker 1: really looking like a guy that you want to be
Speaker 1: part of your long term future. Jabril Cox is. And
Speaker 1: he would be that much more ready to assume a
Speaker 1: bigger role next year if he was healthy right now,
Speaker 1: and they'd have a better idea about him. Right you know,
Speaker 1: then you're like, Okay, well Jabrill can do this, this
Speaker 1: and this, but right now, he don't really know. Now,
Speaker 1: what you do know is that he can chase down
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones and like smack the heck out of him.
Speaker 1: At the one, it's going like you're going into the
Speaker 1: draft saying we have two studs who are only one
Speaker 1: year into their contract at linebacker. Verse, Well, we got
Speaker 1: Micah and we feel good about Cox about We don't
Speaker 1: really know it's there'd be a domino effect there or
Speaker 1: those decision making because it's like, okay, let's start instead
Speaker 1: of linebacker, let's start at defensive end. What are we doing?
Speaker 1: We were signing Randy if we do for how much
Speaker 1: can we keep both of these guys? Is Mica gonna
Speaker 1: play defensive end? You know that there's just a lot
Speaker 1: of what's takes long term out exactly and then you
Speaker 1: then you figure all this out. So it's it's an
Speaker 1: interesting thing. But so go back to Layton. I mean,
Speaker 1: I yeah, he's not playing like the guy we thought
Speaker 1: he was, But I don't know if you have another
Speaker 1: option right now. So see him just making plays that
Speaker 1: are just getting I mean, he's making bad plays, making
Speaker 1: some he's making some bad plays, but I mean I
Speaker 1: think he's just not standing out as a linebacker. You
Speaker 1: should stand out more than I want to try to
Speaker 1: understand the how how did we get here to this
Speaker 1: point of us talking about him in this way. I
Speaker 1: know previous years he's been dealing with the injuries and
Speaker 1: the times that he would go back on the field.
Speaker 1: You know, you can blame the injury and say and
Speaker 1: he would still make certain place here and there and
Speaker 1: definitely looked better than what Jalen did at the time,
Speaker 1: But then you never had him be fully healthy like
Speaker 1: this year, he hasn't been out right. He's been playing
Speaker 1: the whole time. I don't think he's missing, But but
Speaker 1: you know something that I don't. I don't look at
Speaker 1: him like I don't think he has played like he
Speaker 1: did his rookie year. So no, never even in times
Speaker 1: he came back from injury, like he could get a
Speaker 1: player two here or there, But overall, I don't think
Speaker 1: he's been back to that level, which does seem a
Speaker 1: little curious that you could play as well as he
Speaker 1: did his rookie year. I mean, god, was an All
Speaker 1: Pro as a rookie and then just completely fall off
Speaker 1: the map. Yeah, you go back to the game Thursday night,
Speaker 1: I mean, where was Taysom Hill running a lot? Like
Speaker 1: a lot of it was right up the middle. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna between the tackles. I mean, so when they ran
Speaker 1: the ball with Ingram, he was running up the middle.
Speaker 1: You know they won't really going sideline to sideline that much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's you should get four or five tackles just just
Speaker 1: by doing that, you know. Like, and I gotta go
Speaker 1: back and see how many snaps he had. But he
Speaker 1: was out on the field. It's just he just wasn't
Speaker 1: around the ball. And that's just odd for for him
Speaker 1: and his style. I mean, because he's up there in time,
Speaker 1: I would imagine I don't know this, he's probably fifth
Speaker 1: on the team and tackles. Maybe it's not great for
Speaker 1: a linebacker. No, no, you would, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: this team is built differently. I mean Jayron curses leading
Speaker 1: the leading the team and tackles, but they playing him
Speaker 1: around there, um you know, and Barry Church will let
Speaker 1: you know that too, because Barry Church, he's about to
Speaker 1: be the first player since Barry Church. No, he's not
Speaker 1: gonna catch him, but the first players Burry Church, you know,
Speaker 1: for safety to lead the team and tackles. And he's like,
Speaker 1: well he's playing like a linebacker. Barry asked me different
Speaker 1: He's like, how many does he have? It was like
Speaker 1: playing seventy five. He's like, oh, hen't catch me. I
Speaker 1: had one third. He said he had one thirty five,
Speaker 1: one thirty five. I don't remember. I remember one thirty five.
Speaker 1: I know I know Barry a bad team. I can't
Speaker 1: say I know Barry played in the box a lot.
Speaker 1: But a safety with one thirty five times, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: wasn't good. It's not a good thing. That means your
Speaker 1: linebackers are really bad. Lay Layton played fifty six percent
Speaker 1: of the snaps, so I mean he was he was
Speaker 1: getting rotated a lot, but still one who was who
Speaker 1: was Was it just Jayron playing that other linebacker spot
Speaker 1: when he wasn't in there? If he's only playing fifty
Speaker 1: percent of the snaps, Yeah, it had I mean yes,
Speaker 1: because Kean O'Neill played even less than that. He played
Speaker 1: thirty three. J Ron curse is he he is a linebacker.
Speaker 1: He is there nickel and dime personnel box guy. It's
Speaker 1: a different way to do it, but that's what he's
Speaker 1: been doing. Ninety three No, yeah, nine sixty five snaps
Speaker 1: and how many I mean he rushed a lot? Right? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that because he played he was
Speaker 1: at linebacker most of the game. He might have he
Speaker 1: was on the line some, but he was at lineback round.
Speaker 1: If he was good with that, then then that's that's perfect. Um.
Speaker 1: You know. Here, here's a couple of things about about
Speaker 1: his game. You always say this, Derek about DeMarcus Ware
Speaker 1: guys that rushed the passer. There's two different types. There's
Speaker 1: a guy that gets a lot of sacks and then
Speaker 1: there's a guy to get the sackling when we have
Speaker 1: to have it. Last two games, in overtime, he made
Speaker 1: a play that you know, you would think that would
Speaker 1: get you off the field set up a third and eighteen.
Speaker 1: It just didn't work and they lost to the Raiders.
Speaker 1: But he made a huge play in that game, and
Speaker 1: he made one made the play of the game to
Speaker 1: start the fourth quarter and they got him out of
Speaker 1: field goal rings. He kept it a two score game
Speaker 1: because it's a two score game for Taysom Hill. Guess
Speaker 1: what it means. He has to throw it and guess
Speaker 1: what The Cowboys caught just as many as the Saints
Speaker 1: guys did. I think in the fourth Unless you have
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts or Lamar Jackson. I think you gotta consider
Speaker 1: not running boots against this defense. It's just doesn't work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not the one to get fooled. He closes too. Well,
Speaker 1: he doesn't get fooled, and he's gonna catch you. I
Speaker 1: mean if he catches, if he can catch Taysom Hill
Speaker 1: the way he did. I mean he did it to
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert too, who's one of the more athletic quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the league. Like, unless you have a sprinter playing quarterback,
Speaker 1: it's probably not worth the risk. All right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: go to the next question. The biggest problem for the
Speaker 1: Dallas offense is offensive line. Yeah, center guards. He's a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl vot vote getter. He plays for the Cowboys. Well,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold been there for three weeks,
Speaker 1: hold on, the last month of the season. Let's be fair.
Speaker 1: He's been a lot better, a lot. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: a whole lot of issues really with him. Snaps have
Speaker 1: been good. He's played a full season. He has one season.
Speaker 1: All right, he should be better. Right, that's kind of
Speaker 1: what you're expecting. He I hate playing these games, and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, because that like it all works
Speaker 1: in harmony or disharmony, like Dak is pressing. I think
Speaker 1: Dak is pressing. He's he's played better than a lot
Speaker 1: of haters want to give him credit for. He had
Speaker 1: three or four I meant to say that I was remote,
Speaker 1: so I didn't want to like push the issue. He
Speaker 1: had three or four of the best throws of his
Speaker 1: season in New Orleans, like the one to Lamb that
Speaker 1: kind of arcd through the slot over the guys. That
Speaker 1: was incredible he had. Um, I know it was incomplete
Speaker 1: and that you know, nobody cares about that. But the
Speaker 1: one that Lamb caught in the back corner of the
Speaker 1: end zone out of bounds, incredible, more by Lamb than Dak,
Speaker 1: but still um yeah. He that was training camp. Lamb
Speaker 1: like that the same play, similar play in training camp
Speaker 1: where he was out of bounds. We were like, I
Speaker 1: don't care, but it was such a great case, you know, right,
Speaker 1: yeah put it up, so forget we're not posting that
Speaker 1: that he was out of bounds. Like, no, it's a
Speaker 1: great kids, you put it up. But fans want to
Speaker 1: see that through like three or four laser beams in
Speaker 1: that game. So it was like a lifetime ago. It
Speaker 1: does it really does um, But I think he's pressing.
Speaker 1: I think the offensive line has one day. The reason
Speaker 1: that he's pressing, yeah, well, I mean are the receiver's
Speaker 1: The reason that he's pressing is not having Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: played Thursday, but it was like eighteen snaps. He was
Speaker 1: basically a third and fourth down guy. Again, does not
Speaker 1: having him to take pressure off of everybody else? Does
Speaker 1: that make it harder to find the throwing? I mean,
Speaker 1: and that is the question, what is the biggest problem.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think they all connect. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean seriously, like this is all taut. I've never
Speaker 1: said this before, but the neckbones connected to the calf bone. Seriously, Okay,
Speaker 1: it all I mean, I'm talking about Tyrant's issue that's
Speaker 1: related all the way down and relates to Dak and
Speaker 1: all and then Dak and then receivers they just have
Speaker 1: they've been out of scene. Okay, So let me rephrase
Speaker 1: the question. If you could fix one thing, what would
Speaker 1: have the biggest impact. If I could fix one thing,
Speaker 1: I just want this full compliment of receivers and everybody
Speaker 1: that plays the skill position as healthy and available as possible,
Speaker 1: because well, health is the biggest issue. I get to
Speaker 1: fix one thing. Yeah, I'm Tyrant Smith is feels the
Speaker 1: best he's ever felt for real. I mean he said
Speaker 1: it before, but I'm talking about Do you think he's
Speaker 1: not playing at the level that he was playing earlier
Speaker 1: in the season. Probably not. I'm just saying I get
Speaker 1: to fix one thing. I'm making him twenty fourteen Tyrants Smith.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm making that would be that would be fun.
Speaker 1: That would be fun. I mean he'd be like, I
Speaker 1: don't know that's fixable, which is I'm just mister, I'm
Speaker 1: dealing with the whole thing. I'm dealing with reality here,
Speaker 1: which is the offensive line wasn't bad in New Orleans?
Speaker 1: Were they? I mean they couldn't run the ball. They
Speaker 1: couldn't run and that can't run the ball? Yeah? Um,
Speaker 1: But like Dak had time. I think he got sacked
Speaker 1: one time, and I know I know he got pressured
Speaker 1: a few times, but like it wasn't just like that,
Speaker 1: he had a lot good time. I I think that
Speaker 1: highly of Amari Cooper that I think he opens things
Speaker 1: up that much. If you're just telling me I can
Speaker 1: have one thing, I just want him as healthy as possible.
Speaker 1: Scaring the hell out of somebody on one side of
Speaker 1: the formation and letting everybody else work off of that,
Speaker 1: I think. And the beautiful thing is they can have
Speaker 1: that as early as Sunday afternoon. So that's what I
Speaker 1: would say, all right, cambelling that, I mean, I would
Speaker 1: just go with the O line in general. You've seen
Speaker 1: the passing game be affected by it. You've definitely seen
Speaker 1: the running game. And I get it that when Nick
Speaker 1: pulled up the stats, WHOA, Yeah, they made it sound
Speaker 1: like they were actually kind of successful a little bit
Speaker 1: in the running game last game. But to me, it
Speaker 1: was a complete mess. And I get it. You can't
Speaker 1: take away those two plays because they do count at
Speaker 1: the end of the day. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: looking back at other games in the season, you just
Speaker 1: haven't been successful at the runs and you see them
Speaker 1: unable to create holes for sig and that's a problem,
Speaker 1: especially when you got a guy that has been dealing
Speaker 1: with an injury himself. So to me, it's creating that balance,
Speaker 1: a no line that's able to allow you to run
Speaker 1: the game, to run the ball somehow kind of balance
Speaker 1: both and not turn you one dimensional. Is that you're
Speaker 1: saying in English? Yeah, not turn you one the dimensional.
Speaker 1: And obviously we've seen Dak struggle at times. Like Dave said,
Speaker 1: they got they oh my god, not speak English today.
Speaker 1: They did get better last week. But I need them
Speaker 1: to become more solid to where they can compliment each
Speaker 1: other and allow them to do both things. And going
Speaker 1: back to the running game, I think my point there
Speaker 1: is anybody who's ever won a lottery ticket before, how
Speaker 1: many of do you think that they've lost? How many
Speaker 1: how much of that little shavings you think are on
Speaker 1: their ground right there because they're doing it all the time,
Speaker 1: and they do it all the time, and that's what
Speaker 1: they think. But you gotta keep doing it if you're
Speaker 1: gonna win. People say, well, I haven't win the lottery
Speaker 1: one day. It's like, okay, but do you play? No,
Speaker 1: you don't. You have to play. And so that's the
Speaker 1: thing about running the ball, like you're gonna keep doing it.
Speaker 1: You gotta stick to it. You gotta keep running because
Speaker 1: every once in a while you're gonna get that ticket.
Speaker 1: And that's what Tony Poler did. But you gotta keep
Speaker 1: doing it, and that's what you and that's why I
Speaker 1: think it all factors in that they didn't lose the
Speaker 1: commitment to do it all right, Speaking of the running game,
Speaker 1: next question, the running back that gives Dallas the best
Speaker 1: chance to win as we sit here today is blank
Speaker 1: seek Pollard, Why are you doing? What year is this there?
Speaker 1: Because that's what we're doing. What years? I twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: That's the year that we're in, and that's the that's
Speaker 1: the running back combination that helps this team twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Tony Tony Pollard is better with the ball in his
Speaker 1: hands right now. Zeke Elliott is a well rounded enough
Speaker 1: running back that he needs to be part of the
Speaker 1: offense too. How how many, like I can't count, how
Speaker 1: many times Zeke has absolutely smashed somebody that would have
Speaker 1: killed Dak. You can't take that out. You can't discard
Speaker 1: it because Zeke's not dangerous as a runner, and he's not.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he feels like crap, his knee hurt and
Speaker 1: it sucks. It sucks for him that he's dealing with that.
Speaker 1: I'm but I need him both. I said it going
Speaker 1: into that game, and you do have to have them both.
Speaker 1: My question becomes if if we all agree, it sounds
Speaker 1: like we all agree that Poller is a better runner
Speaker 1: at this at this point. And again that could be
Speaker 1: because of injury, That could be he has of a
Speaker 1: lot of things. But if we think he is a
Speaker 1: better runner, should he not be getting more carries? Well? Sure, yes,
Speaker 1: and unless I mean see how Zeke feels. We talked
Speaker 1: for weeks about this break. I mean they've been off
Speaker 1: since they landed in Dallas on Friday morning. Ten days
Speaker 1: is a good amount of time to get get some
Speaker 1: stuff right. If if he feels significantly better, then I
Speaker 1: would keep it the same. But if this is still
Speaker 1: an issue, then yes, I would prefer them not bury
Speaker 1: their head in the sand about who is a more
Speaker 1: valuable runner? All right, So we got fast forward to Sunday,
Speaker 1: three minutes and thirty five seconds to go in the
Speaker 1: game Rights Washington, whatever, has two time outs, Cowboys have
Speaker 1: a lead twenty four to twenty one. You got you
Speaker 1: gotta run the ball, you gotta get you run this
Speaker 1: clock out. And I know it's hard to answer that
Speaker 1: because you don't know how the game has gone on.
Speaker 1: But do you think Zeke's the guy? I mean, Zeke?
Speaker 1: Or do you want Pollard running the ball when you
Speaker 1: know there's gonna be a stack front? Who do you
Speaker 1: want running the ball right there. Based on what I've
Speaker 1: seen over the last I don't know, four to six games,
Speaker 1: I think i'd rather have running the ball again. The
Speaker 1: only reason is because I think they're both gonna get
Speaker 1: stopped a lot. Two yard game, one yard game maybe negative.
Speaker 1: I think that's going to happen because this offensive line
Speaker 1: isn't blocking very well in the run game. Here's the difference.
Speaker 1: The difference is if Pola gets that crease, he might
Speaker 1: go fifty. I don't think Zeke's gonna do that, And
Speaker 1: so that's where I think they're about that. There was
Speaker 1: a time you get don't get me wrong, there was
Speaker 1: a time when even though I thought Paula had the
Speaker 1: home run ability, Zeke was still going four, six, seven.
Speaker 1: You know that's not really happening as much right now.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think i'd rather go to Polar.
Speaker 1: I hear, I hear that, But I don't need fifty
Speaker 1: so much there, You know, you need ten or eleven.
Speaker 1: What I wonder is and I haven't seen Polar do
Speaker 1: this a lot. I haven't seen Zeke a lot either,
Speaker 1: But like I'm talking about, when you get hit one yard,
Speaker 1: do you make it three? Are you making it? But
Speaker 1: that's my point. I don't think Zeke has been doing
Speaker 1: that much recently, like and I haven't been seen that
Speaker 1: from Zeke. I think Pollard's better at that than he
Speaker 1: gets credit for it. People like to say he can't
Speaker 1: he doesn't run between the tac He absolutely run. He
Speaker 1: is not like he's not a dainty back like he'll
Speaker 1: yeah he can do that. Uh me. Personally, he's like
Speaker 1: Tony Dorset. Honestly, we compared Michael Lawrence Taylor. But Tony
Speaker 1: Dorset was big, but he was fast and he could
Speaker 1: get through and all that. I mean, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't believe that Tony po I would just I
Speaker 1: would motion CD out of the slot, give him a
Speaker 1: jet sweep and have him get nine and then it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who gets the last one. That's what I
Speaker 1: would do. But shouts out Kellen, maybe see more of that.
Speaker 1: That's and that's what that's what Bob. You're right, you
Speaker 1: do have to have patience and commitment to the running game.
Speaker 1: But again, they ran six They ran for more than
Speaker 1: three yards six times out of twenty four. Mix it up.
Speaker 1: They got athlete and run to the side. That's what happened.
Speaker 1: Their running game was outside the tackles, and that's maybe
Speaker 1: what they have to do. And you're not going to
Speaker 1: run a toss. You're not gonna run a toss sweep
Speaker 1: every time you run it. I get it, But there's
Speaker 1: got to be more ways you can vary up what
Speaker 1: you're doing than like, here we go a dive. Right, Damn,
Speaker 1: it didn't work again. All right, let's try it to
Speaker 1: the left this time. Now, be a little more original
Speaker 1: than that. All right, final question before we get to
Speaker 1: some fan questions. When Terrence still returns from COVID protocol,
Speaker 1: who should start at the right tackle again? Should this
Speaker 1: is your opinion, not what you think will happen. Who
Speaker 1: should be your starter at right tackle? I'm like whatever,
Speaker 1: at this point, you're still you're gonna do whatever? Have you?
Speaker 1: Have you noticed and have you noticed a noticeable difference
Speaker 1: between the two of them? Honestly, I have no. I
Speaker 1: can't sit here and tell you that I have. And
Speaker 1: the only way, the only way I think there could
Speaker 1: be a case made for one it would be if
Speaker 1: you wanted to move the other to another position. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you thought we're still having problems at left guard,
Speaker 1: which I think they are, and you thought Ile Collins
Speaker 1: is a better option than either of the two guards
Speaker 1: we have played, either either of the two guys we
Speaker 1: have playing left guard, then I say, still returns at
Speaker 1: right tackle. You move I all Collins to left guard
Speaker 1: and see what you can get out of that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a way to answer this without
Speaker 1: bringing in the politics of football that everybody wants to
Speaker 1: pretend don't exist. But if you're moving, if you put
Speaker 1: Terrence Steel back there, then I just assume you're making significant,
Speaker 1: big term decisions like that means something for next year.
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins I assume won't be here if he's not
Speaker 1: your starting right tackle. Like I doubt he wants to
Speaker 1: play left guard permanently. The money's at tackle. He's always
Speaker 1: said he views himself as a tackle, and so I'll
Speaker 1: just say I think he should be the starting right
Speaker 1: tackle unless you are committed to shuffling things up in
Speaker 1: the offseason, which that's fine if you are, but you're
Speaker 1: just I don't think you're making that move unless you're
Speaker 1: comfortable making big decisions about that later on. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I would just keep things the way they are unless
Speaker 1: you're deciding to do that. Yeah, and you said, what's
Speaker 1: the most significant difference between the two, and there it is.
Speaker 1: I mean I just looked it up. Six point one million,
Speaker 1: seven hundred and eighty thousand. That's their cap hit when
Speaker 1: it steals deal up. It's an undrafted free agent, so
Speaker 1: he should have one more. He'll be restrict got time
Speaker 1: with him at this amount of money, he'll be restricted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. Three year deal and you're restricted. So I
Speaker 1: mean it's very easy to hang on to. On the field.
Speaker 1: You guys have said there's not a significant difference. But
Speaker 1: if we go back to the time that Dale was
Speaker 1: brought by, can I think that since then the old
Speaker 1: line has not played as good as they were playing
Speaker 1: prior to that change. Fair So, however, you put it
Speaker 1: aside from Connor Williams making the mistakes that he was
Speaker 1: making and all that, I think that the offensive line
Speaker 1: did become worse after that. I'm going back to Connor Williams.
Speaker 1: If we were asking questions, that's would be what I
Speaker 1: would do. I don't know about the right tackle. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you I'd go back to Connor Williams at left guard.
Speaker 1: I think I picked your penalties and and and play
Speaker 1: it life. You think he's been He was better earlier
Speaker 1: this season then than what we've seen from a The
Speaker 1: running game has been better. I mean, it's still her point.
Speaker 1: I mean, and you're right about that. That also was
Speaker 1: happening around that time. I think that they ran the
Speaker 1: ball better with him, and now the penalties a certainly
Speaker 1: a problem, but you know, I mean, Connor has Sam
Speaker 1: McGovern has some not not to that level, but I
Speaker 1: think that he was blocking better too, So I think
Speaker 1: I would go back to that. I don't I don't disagree,
Speaker 1: and I don't know that Connor McGovern has been awful,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm not hasn't known him under the bus.
Speaker 1: He hasn't improved anything. But point that you're like, yes,
Speaker 1: this was a gay call, but same thing. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to look that up. But it's the same type
Speaker 1: of deal we're talking about next year. If it's that
Speaker 1: close on the field, Yeah, one guy you think is
Speaker 1: not going to be here, one guy is. Then it
Speaker 1: goes back to the Jabril Cox thing. It's like, God,
Speaker 1: I wish when it comes time to making decisions, what
Speaker 1: do we know about this guy? And if you never
Speaker 1: played McGovern, then you're like, how how are you going
Speaker 1: to sit there and fight for him if you didn't
Speaker 1: play him. So that's a really good point. And I
Speaker 1: think anybody anybody knows by now that I'm an LC
Speaker 1: stand he went to LSU. We get it. But like,
Speaker 1: this is a business and for a team that's kind
Speaker 1: of going to be close up against the cap if
Speaker 1: you think, I mean we just said, we don't think
Speaker 1: there's that big of a difference. But except for the money,
Speaker 1: and so Terrence Steele could be a way to get you.
Speaker 1: You're like, wow, we're only paying our starting right tackle
Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand dollars. That could really help us out
Speaker 1: in the spring. So that's something you have to consider.
Speaker 1: And to be fair, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you saw this, but I don't know how much
Speaker 1: it would cost to release or trade Lyle. I don't
Speaker 1: know that stuff. But yeah, I'm sure there would be
Speaker 1: a pretty sizable dead cap hit. Yeah, but all right,
Speaker 1: I would make a big change and go back to
Speaker 1: what you had before where you were le bench. You
Speaker 1: got Connor Williams back in. Connor McGovern used him the
Speaker 1: way you were utilizing him. That was very creative. I
Speaker 1: think that added an extra spice to the offense. So
Speaker 1: do it that way. And I mean I think you
Speaker 1: get more out of both players in that kind of role.
Speaker 1: You get more out of both connors like Connor Williams
Speaker 1: kind of my gover. Yes, But anyways, I would go
Speaker 1: back to that. I love the way you make it
Speaker 1: so simple. Actually think we ought it is. People like
Speaker 1: to over um what's the opposite of simple? Complicate? Complicated?
Speaker 1: See I cannot speak today what my vocabulary there is?
Speaker 1: There is something the fact that, like, you still are
Speaker 1: dealing with human beings, so you do have to deal
Speaker 1: with emotions and you have to deal with you know,
Speaker 1: you don't want to create division, you want to create unities.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of things to factor in when
Speaker 1: you start talking about how you make decisions with a
Speaker 1: group of people hard business. I know it is going
Speaker 1: back to that aspect. I mean, if their hell bents
Speaker 1: on doing it, I guess they could. But like getting
Speaker 1: rid of vile doesn't really do anything for you, Like
Speaker 1: it's a fourteen million dollar cap hit and a one
Speaker 1: point three million dollars savings And even if you did
Speaker 1: it as a June one, you'd just be spreading that
Speaker 1: out over two years, so it wouldn't hit you wow.
Speaker 1: Now yeah, okay, you would save ten million if you
Speaker 1: made them a post June one. Again, I'm not doing
Speaker 1: that deep in the weeks here, but Tyron Smith hasn't
Speaker 1: proven to me that he can just completely stay healthy.
Speaker 1: Point and with all the problems you gotta tax here, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and I'm maybe drafting one. And yeah, we're all we're
Speaker 1: all frustrated that the running game has disappeared, but it's
Speaker 1: still a good thing to have three tackles, Like that's
Speaker 1: not a problem you have to solve. And to be
Speaker 1: quite honest with you, I think the Cowboys are now
Speaker 1: at the point where they were years ago when they
Speaker 1: drafted Travis Frederick and they meet the remade their offensive
Speaker 1: line over the next several years. That's where they are
Speaker 1: right now. If there's this offseason, they need to start thinking,
Speaker 1: we need to focus on our offensive line because although
Speaker 1: Tyren still plays well, time's at an age where his
Speaker 1: health is failing. I'm getting the next Zach Martin um
Speaker 1: slash Connor Williams in between them, because that's probably where
Speaker 1: you're gonna be picking. You're not gonna picking them at fourteen.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be you know, fifty, A guy that
Speaker 1: played guard or tackle, that can play guard and projectiment guard.
Speaker 1: That's the guy that I'm taking in the mid twenties
Speaker 1: or wherever, thirty, wherever you're picking out. Well, sobody's gonna
Speaker 1: be playing soon though. That that Chargers left tackles pretty badass,
Speaker 1: just saying no, you can't and you can't sit there
Speaker 1: and compare him to ld and yeah, I'm not he's nice,
Speaker 1: but the Chargers are not. I'm not saying I'm not
Speaker 1: saying ah, I'm not saying they made a mistake. But again,
Speaker 1: this is what we were saying, This is what we
Speaker 1: were talking about a month ago. If for Shawn Slater's
Speaker 1: and All Pro for the next decade the way Tyron
Speaker 1: Smith has been eight years from now, you might rethink that,
Speaker 1: although right now, no way in hell Mica is as
Speaker 1: dynamic a defensive player as he's shown himself to be
Speaker 1: so far, for the next eight years, I think every
Speaker 1: team would take him over that. Let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: this is this is kind of similar. In two thousand
Speaker 1: and eleven, the Cowboys had a chance to draft J. J. Watt.
Speaker 1: They didn't. They drafted Tyron Smith right. Do you think
Speaker 1: that and this is close, I mean, do you think
Speaker 1: that they regretted that or do you think Houston was like, Man,
Speaker 1: I'm glad because that's one of what we're talking about,
Speaker 1: and I think there could be him again. Everybody always
Speaker 1: wants to be right. I this might be a situation
Speaker 1: where there's no wrong. Both they're both and both teams
Speaker 1: might be like, yeah, we did the right And it
Speaker 1: kind of depends on what you need from your team. Right,
Speaker 1: if you want that dominant defensive player, then you want that.
Speaker 1: If you want that and I'm there forever, then that's true.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just what your flavor is. Not trying
Speaker 1: to suggest they're wrong for drafting Mica. It's just interesting.
Speaker 1: And that's what makes the draft so great is he's over,
Speaker 1: he's balling out, he's playing. I mean, he could win
Speaker 1: Offensive Rookie of the Year. I doubt it because that's
Speaker 1: always going to go to like a quarterback. But but
Speaker 1: he's played well playing that well, Yeah, there's there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a tough, tough one there because the receiver for
Speaker 1: the Bengals, Oh, he's getting there. Mac Jones. Mac Jones
Speaker 1: has done a really good job too. Chase screwed Burrow
Speaker 1: over yesterday. I'm mad at him. Drop the drop that
Speaker 1: turned into a pick Hea MARII coopered him. If you
Speaker 1: remember from the twenty nineteen Packers game. Yeah, if a
Speaker 1: Marie catches that ball, I think they win that game.
Speaker 1: That's one of you love you love Burrows more like
Speaker 1: you can't you can't do anything to Burrows like you
Speaker 1: there's no Burrow whatever. Yes, Joe Burrow must be protected
Speaker 1: at all costs, even Jamar Chase, like nobody's nobody's free feeless.
Speaker 1: I'm and the guy that that ran that whole thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're just gonna cut him in Carolina, like
Speaker 1: hopefully he comes back to las U. Jeez, go y'all
Speaker 1: could use it. Yeah, we couldn't want to give him
Speaker 1: a better quarterback exactly, figure out the quarterback spot before
Speaker 1: you just cutting him off like that. I com mad,
Speaker 1: And I don't even know the guy, but I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: it's not like you didn't. Oh you couldn't fix Sam Darnel.
Speaker 1: Who could? Hey, good point. All right, we're gonna say
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Speaker 1: Studios at the Starlist takes some questions. We got a
Speaker 1: question here from Art Van Delay on Twitter. He says,
Speaker 1: all across the league, when things break down, quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: making plays with their legs. Dak before injury, averaged one
Speaker 1: point six first down to a game with his legs.
Speaker 1: This season, he only has two total. When the offense
Speaker 1: is struggling to make first downs, should he look to
Speaker 1: run more? Yeah, that's definitely an element that's been missing
Speaker 1: from his game, And I think it was. He had
Speaker 1: like a pretty nice scramble against the Giants, I think,
Speaker 1: and it scared the crap out of everybody because it
Speaker 1: was like a similar part of the field that's where
Speaker 1: he got hurt. It certainly looks like he's got all
Speaker 1: the same amount of mobility as he did before. And
Speaker 1: people have asked about the calf injury. Football players are
Speaker 1: always dealing with something, but like nothing about the way
Speaker 1: that he's moved in any of these four games since
Speaker 1: he came back leads me to believe that he's significantly
Speaker 1: hampered by it. And so yes, the answers yes. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's his own reluctance or you know,
Speaker 1: organizational pressure like hey, you gotta be available, or maybe
Speaker 1: a combination of all of the above, but it's a
Speaker 1: useful element of his game that has been lacking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, he said everyone said it in the offseason.
Speaker 1: He's got to be smart about it. He's gonna got
Speaker 1: to run some he's you know, and this is what
Speaker 1: we're seeing him being smart about it. That's what that's
Speaker 1: what that is. He's not running as much. I definitely
Speaker 1: believe it has something to do with what happened last
Speaker 1: year that costs the team. That didn't cost him anything
Speaker 1: money wise, but that costs the team. The team wasn't
Speaker 1: the same. He knows that he's got to be there
Speaker 1: for his team. So it's a it's a tough balance.
Speaker 1: It's not easy to sit there and say that that's
Speaker 1: a good and to be fair, I mean, he ran
Speaker 1: for a touchdown against Atlanta. He bowled a guy over.
Speaker 1: It's not like I don't think he's like afraid to run.
Speaker 1: I just think that probably weighs heavily on you. I know,
Speaker 1: he was getting killed on Twitter. It was the first
Speaker 1: series of the Saints game. He had like an open
Speaker 1: pocket of grass on the left side and he scrambled
Speaker 1: and he threw it instead, and everybody was yelling at
Speaker 1: him that he didn't run. And from where we were sitting,
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, there's like an end tailing the play,
Speaker 1: and two linebackers sick, like maybe he gets four yards,
Speaker 1: Like maybe he gets five or six best case scenario,
Speaker 1: and he's probably gonna take a shot. Is it worth it?
Speaker 1: I mean, if he gets concussed doing that, is that
Speaker 1: was that worth it? So yeah, that's a tough spot
Speaker 1: to be in. Yeah, And if you go back and
Speaker 1: watch that New Orleans game, you'll notice that there were
Speaker 1: quite a few plays, especially on those third downs, when
Speaker 1: they were spying deck, like they literally had a lineback
Speaker 1: staying right in the middle of field, waiting to see
Speaker 1: if he tried to take off. And I mean that
Speaker 1: speaks to the fact that other teams, I think recognize
Speaker 1: that in those critical downs he can be a problem
Speaker 1: with his legs. Now, Dad's not the kind of guy
Speaker 1: you know you got Lamar Jackson. Even if you got
Speaker 1: somebody spying him, he's gonna make some opportunities out of running.
Speaker 1: That's not dak. Dad can run when nobody's paying attention,
Speaker 1: and now he can pick up some yards from it.
Speaker 1: But you got a guy spying him, Dad's not going
Speaker 1: to get a lot out of that. That's not a
Speaker 1: particularly fast or elusive runner. He's a powerful runner, but
Speaker 1: he's not a particularly fast or elusive runner. So when
Speaker 1: it all comes down to it, I just don't think
Speaker 1: he's had as many opportunities. I do think there's sometimes
Speaker 1: he's been a little hesitant, but I also think there
Speaker 1: are sometimes you're recently when teams are basically saying you're
Speaker 1: not going to do that to us on specific downs,
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to throw the ball if you're gonna
Speaker 1: get this first down. I definitely I don't think that's
Speaker 1: the reason why the offense has been kind of herky
Speaker 1: jerky recently. I mean, he hasn't really been doing it
Speaker 1: all year and they were rolling. But there's but there's
Speaker 1: stats out there from his whole career that when he
Speaker 1: runs like it's like thirty yards, it's not why it's like, no,
Speaker 1: thirty yards are more. They're way better than he doesn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, if if he runs three times for fifteen yards,
Speaker 1: two of those probably picked up first downs, and that's
Speaker 1: the difference between converting thirty percent and converting you know,
Speaker 1: sixty five percent or whatever. So I don't want to
Speaker 1: overstate it, but I do think it's it's a useful
Speaker 1: thing that he just hasn't been doing this. There's been
Speaker 1: a quarterback he's not no longer here, and he's not
Speaker 1: he didn't start a lot of games for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: So it's not who you think. But he said before, well,
Speaker 1: why would you run when you can throw it? That
Speaker 1: doesn't help your quarterback rating. I mean it's gonna help
Speaker 1: your quarterback. It doesn't help your quarterback rating to get
Speaker 1: twelve yards, whether you can throw it, complete the pass
Speaker 1: and get twelve yards and that helps your rating. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, like, well, like people say that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't know if that's right. I
Speaker 1: don't think that. I don't. I don't think he's that.
Speaker 1: We hit all in twenty twenty one. We have EPA too,
Speaker 1: So there's ways we can I'm sorry, what is that?
Speaker 1: We can talk about it off the air, but you
Speaker 1: can quantify a quarterbacks rushing ability in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: It should be to me, that should be a part
Speaker 1: of your right. Absolutely, it should be. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's twenty third or whatever. It's like, Okay, who's
Speaker 1: who's worried about him at night? You know? Defensive coordinators?
Speaker 1: I mean, every team's about to play, right, so that matters.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a question for Brian. I'm going
Speaker 1: to change this question a little bit. He's asking what
Speaker 1: are the highest positions of need he wants to go
Speaker 1: to draft. I don't think we talked about draft just
Speaker 1: in general. Like if you look at this team, we
Speaker 1: talked a little about lineback, we talked about offensive line.
Speaker 1: Give me specifically, like, what are the positions where you
Speaker 1: think Dallas really needs some help? Man, they're gonna be sitting.
Speaker 1: I don't like to do that where they're sitting, but
Speaker 1: they're gonna be in the They're gonna be past twenty
Speaker 1: five probably, Oh god, they'll twenty two to thirty two.
Speaker 1: I don't know, all right. I mean, anybody other than
Speaker 1: a quarterback should be on the table. Don't you think
Speaker 1: anybody tight end? Well, what if it was a tight end,
Speaker 1: a pretty good tight end. Yeah, you think about this,
Speaker 1: left tackle, So do you think about it? Center guard? Yes,
Speaker 1: running back. I think you should take a running back
Speaker 1: every year in the first four rounds. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: that's just first. I think that's in one of the
Speaker 1: first one of your first four round picks. I would
Speaker 1: take a running back at least every other year, Okay,
Speaker 1: I absolute would, because you're because about the likelihood is
Speaker 1: you're gonna get one of those start a fourth round players.
Speaker 1: It turned into a really good running back. But those
Speaker 1: guys too, they tend they don't tend to have long careers.
Speaker 1: You give them four or five years and you ready
Speaker 1: for the next, so you always want to keep recycling
Speaker 1: them through. I don't think you go high with the
Speaker 1: pick running back. No. I was thinking lower, honestly, like
Speaker 1: fifth round, six round. Yeah, but that's fine. I just
Speaker 1: think every position should be on it. Now let's let's
Speaker 1: let's get a little bit more pressing. I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: let's think about and then and then get quiet like well,
Speaker 1: I thought he was about to say, well, let's think
Speaker 1: about that one of the draft guy interior interior offensive
Speaker 1: line is something that you could look at a because
Speaker 1: of contract situations and be because you're not getting elite
Speaker 1: level play out of a few of them. I can
Speaker 1: see which I also would make it a the value
Speaker 1: that you get at guards center y number twenty three,
Speaker 1: twenty four, you're talking about one of the better ones there.
Speaker 1: The problem the cow The Cowboys are too good probably
Speaker 1: to have a shot at the Iowa Center that everybody's
Speaker 1: gotta about. But that would be fun um linebacker. I think.
Speaker 1: I know that sounds weird, but we kind of talked
Speaker 1: about it in the first segment, especially if Mica is
Speaker 1: gonna kind of freelance, which I want him to do.
Speaker 1: Jabril Cox is there, but we're not one hundred percent
Speaker 1: sure what they have. So yeah, I think they need
Speaker 1: to draft a linebacker in the top one hundred picks
Speaker 1: next year because I'm I'm not resigning Layton and probably
Speaker 1: not Keano that's just me. Safety jay Ron Curse is great.
Speaker 1: He might price himself out of here. Honestly, that's something
Speaker 1: you gotta consider. But I would I would pay for
Speaker 1: it to keep him. What what what if you don't
Speaker 1: know the price? I mean, what if it means Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get it. He's gonna get more money he
Speaker 1: would have gotten last year than he got last year.
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's at a point now where
Speaker 1: people are like, oh my god, we got to make
Speaker 1: him the highest paid safety in the league on one production.
Speaker 1: So I think I think it's gonna be more, and
Speaker 1: I would be comfortable with paying him more. Let's see
Speaker 1: what else you got. I would rather even though he's
Speaker 1: playing linebacker. I would rather first out what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do with Randy because I might have to franchise when
Speaker 1: I got it, I got the tag from ninety four.
Speaker 1: But he's he's gonna be here on end and could
Speaker 1: be again. What's gonna happen with Michael, What's gonna happen
Speaker 1: with Randy? What's gonna happen with Tank? Keep getting rushers
Speaker 1: us unrestricted? About how many guys would you say are
Speaker 1: about to become free agents? I mean any in any
Speaker 1: given year. It's between like eighteen. They got some guys
Speaker 1: that are actual players that are going to be free
Speaker 1: atives this year. That's the interesting part about it. I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean yeah, Randy Schultz, Gallop, Connor, Shoot.
Speaker 1: People probably don't want to hear me say this. I'd
Speaker 1: draft a receiver highly. Just keep that thing, keep a
Speaker 1: strength to strength. I'm not saying first round, but if
Speaker 1: you get one, if you find one that you really
Speaker 1: like in the second, third round, I wouldn't be against.
Speaker 1: I mean, Michael Gallup was pick eighty one and he
Speaker 1: had a decent rookie year, but it took him time
Speaker 1: to get going. Like you can't wait until it's a
Speaker 1: drastic need. At least you shouldn't not if you're doing
Speaker 1: your job the right way. That's also why the offensive
Speaker 1: line is so critical, I think is because they have
Speaker 1: waited I think a little too long to now start
Speaker 1: because now they got to rebuild this thing. Because you
Speaker 1: know a lot of these guys that I would go
Speaker 1: first and second round. Honestly, you keep rebuilding that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then then your fifth round running back is still effective
Speaker 1: In a system like this, you can find that I
Speaker 1: want to say Joseph Randall. But Joseph Randall was a
Speaker 1: fifth round back and he wasn't bad. Tony Pollard is
Speaker 1: a fourth round pick. That's awesome. You can get good bad,
Speaker 1: and that's my thing about backs, like you can. Just
Speaker 1: that's why I always in drafting ones because I just
Speaker 1: want to keep them in the pipeline. But if you
Speaker 1: got that line, build it with that exactly right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I are center, an offensive lineman and a off ball
Speaker 1: linebacker are right now and that it'll obviously change, but
Speaker 1: that's what I think about. And throw safety in there
Speaker 1: just because that's what we do. Everything is stressful. I
Speaker 1: think I hate that time of the year because it's
Speaker 1: so stressful. It's like it's easy when it's a bad area.
Speaker 1: This is why I do this job. That's my favorite
Speaker 1: thing to talk about. Yeah, so, well, when you lose
Speaker 1: guys are decent, you're like God, and now we got
Speaker 1: to rebuild this whole thing because it's easy. When you're
Speaker 1: losing guys that suck, it's like, okay, we can. Here's
Speaker 1: here's why mock drafts can be kind of tricky. People
Speaker 1: like to get on the mock drafts and they're always
Speaker 1: done by somebody you've never heard of. I looked at
Speaker 1: three mock drafts the other day, mainly for different reasons.
Speaker 1: I was trying to see where certain players are going
Speaker 1: to be, players that I follow. But they all have
Speaker 1: the Cowboys taking a corner because they wanted a corner
Speaker 1: last year and they didn't get one, so they obviously
Speaker 1: want one now. And the narrative on Drown is that
Speaker 1: he ain't that great Anthony Brown. Yeah, I'm sure that's
Speaker 1: the narrative. Yeah, I mean, he's not He's not that great,
Speaker 1: but they're not great. The narrative is wrong. Good, The
Speaker 1: narrative is wrong. There's a narrative that he is a
Speaker 1: bad cornerback. He's not a bad corner, and he's not great.
Speaker 1: And in this world, everybody wants to find you know,
Speaker 1: plug holes, digs, is this and that, Joe. But I mean,
Speaker 1: and they could take a corner if there's one that's there.
Speaker 1: I mean, why not you always want to take a corner.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if it's this pressing of a
Speaker 1: need and that draft second and third rounder and hoping
Speaker 1: that they would play something they haven't yet. Even the
Speaker 1: really informed draft gurus only have time to keep like
Speaker 1: a surface level in my They don't know the ins
Speaker 1: and outs of every roster the way that we do.
Speaker 1: But I would if the right corner felt to me
Speaker 1: in the first round, I would do it anyway I don't. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: But that goes back to the original point is there
Speaker 1: are a lot of There are a lot of positions
Speaker 1: here where if you could upgrade the position, you take it.
Speaker 1: There are very few rere like I just wouldn't take it.
Speaker 1: I don't care who the players. I'm just not taking
Speaker 1: a player at that position, quarterbacks, really it Other than that,
Speaker 1: you're probably taking a guy if he's a better player
Speaker 1: than other position. They resigned Michael Gallup and they have
Speaker 1: that receiver, those three, I doubt you would do that.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna do that if you resign Gallup. If
Speaker 1: you resign gall If, you're not going to take a
Speaker 1: receiver in the first round. He just can't help you
Speaker 1: as much as some other position I would throw. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't draft a running back in the first round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if any time after that, that's fine, but not in
Speaker 1: the first round. Not. I think I've done enough of that.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, and I mean, I mean, Zeek's not going anywhere,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what's going to happen. Tony does
Speaker 1: still have one more year, so I mean you can
Speaker 1: and if there is if there's one position where you
Speaker 1: can wait until it's critical, it's running back, especially like
Speaker 1: we said, if the offensive line is good, if the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks could whatever, draft Alvin Kamara in the third round
Speaker 1: and have him be Rookie of the year immediately. Perfect,
Speaker 1: It's exactly right. All right. We appreciate you guys. You
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