WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Get Closer

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, get everybody on Dan Hord and thanks for downloading

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals Booth podcast. The Close Suit to You get

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<v Speaker 1>Close Suit to Me. Addition, as the Bengals try to

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<v Speaker 1>gain ground in the AFC playoff race as they face

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<v Speaker 1>the Tennessee Titans in Nashville. Coming up, I'll talk to

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<v Speaker 1>Albert Breer from Sports Illustrated about the possibility of Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Burrow winning MVP despite the Bengals record. My one on

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<v Speaker 1>one player interview this week is with Joseph Osai, who's

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<v Speaker 1>looking to record a sack for the fourth straight game.

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<v Speaker 1>And in our NOA Faux segment, we'll get the skinny

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<v Speaker 1>on the Titans from Nashville sportscaster John Burton. The Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>thing since the Skyline Chili Crosstown Shootout. There are a

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<v Speaker 1>few things that the rest of the country doesn't understand

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<v Speaker 1>about Cincinnati. For example, when somebody asks where did you

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<v Speaker 1>go to school, they mean you're high school, not your college.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no debating this question. In Cincinnati, Pete Rose belongs

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<v Speaker 1>in the Hall of Fame, and Oprah Winfrey isn't just

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<v Speaker 1>great for her business empire, but also due to the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that she gets Greater's Black Raspberry chocolate chip ice

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<v Speaker 1>cream delivered to her home. As for Skyline Chili, if

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't grow up in Cincinnati, chili comes in a

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<v Speaker 1>bowl with ground beef and kidney beans. But if you're

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<v Speaker 1>from Cincinnati, chili is served on spaghetti or hot dogs

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<v Speaker 1>and topped with a giant orange mound of cheddar cheese.

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<v Speaker 1>The rest of the country can make fun of us,

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<v Speaker 1>but we know it's a delicacy. As for the Crosstown shootout,

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<v Speaker 1>if you google the best rivalries in sports, you'll get

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio State, Michigan, the Yankees, Red Sox, North Carolina Duke,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even the Bengals Steelers. But none of those rivalries

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<v Speaker 1>are in the same city. That's what makes the Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>Xavier game so unique. It's the best intra city rivalry

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<v Speaker 1>in sports. Two great academic institutions located just three miles

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<v Speaker 1>apart that happen to have two of the best college

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<v Speaker 1>basketball programs in the country. The ninety second edition of

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<v Speaker 1>the rivalry is coming up on Saturday at two, a

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<v Speaker 1>tasty appetizer before the Bengals face the Titans on Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>at one. Now, let's get to my first guest. It

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<v Speaker 1>is always great to spend a few minutes with Sports

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<v Speaker 1>Illustrated senior NFL reporter Albert Breer. Albert, prior to the season,

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<v Speaker 1>you picked Joe Burrow to be your NFL MVP, So

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<v Speaker 1>clearly you had high expectations for this season. But all

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<v Speaker 1>things considered, coming back from the risk, et cetera, has

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<v Speaker 1>he even exceeded what you were expecting?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, I mean I think you make an

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<v Speaker 2>argument for him being MVP. Now, you know, I one

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<v Speaker 2>of the guys I work with at Amazon, actually, Richard Sherman,

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<v Speaker 2>did have him as MVP just because of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that word value and how much he's meant to the

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<v Speaker 2>Bengals and how he's kept them in it, and as

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<v Speaker 2>fate as the hopes are right now for the team,

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<v Speaker 2>based on the way the defense is played, based on

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<v Speaker 2>some of the troubles they had and getting the running

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<v Speaker 2>game going, I think it's it's hard to argue there

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<v Speaker 2>is a player who's more valuable to his team now,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I know, obviously Josh Allen or Saquon Barkley

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<v Speaker 2>is somebody with a winning team's gonna gonna get it.

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<v Speaker 2>But Joe's been off the charts, you know, And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a great sign of where the Bengals

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be going forward, even though you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it looks pretty bleak.

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<v Speaker 3>As far as the chances of getting in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're right. The MVP will almost certainly come

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<v Speaker 1>from a winning team. There's never been one in the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL from a losing team. There has been in baseball,

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<v Speaker 1>but not in football. But here's the question.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think that.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe will get a significant number of votes?

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<v Speaker 3>Probably not.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, like I just think the win loss, and I actually,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the funny thing is, I think Joe would.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually agree with that because he like I.

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<v Speaker 2>There are very few quarterbacks that are as obsessed with

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<v Speaker 2>winning and losing as Joe is, and so I think

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<v Speaker 2>he would probably agree with the premise that that you

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be the MVP if you've if you've got a

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<v Speaker 2>losing record.

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<v Speaker 3>But I do think he deserves votes.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he'll get a lot, you know, because

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that these things become about narratives, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think that's why we've seen a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of unanimous MVPs in the last few years. I think

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<v Speaker 2>more than ever, storylines can drive these things, and and

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<v Speaker 2>right now it feels that the storylines are going in

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<v Speaker 2>the direction of the two guys I mentioned Josh Allen,

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<v Speaker 2>Saquon Barkley earlier in the year.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Lamar was in that mix.

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<v Speaker 2>But but I yeah, it's hard for me to see Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>based on the narratives that are out there, getting a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of getting a ton of votes.

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<v Speaker 1>Albert Breer from Sports Illustrated is our guest. You seem

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<v Speaker 1>to have as good a relationship with Joe as any

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<v Speaker 1>national reporter. What have you enjoyed about your interactions with

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<v Speaker 1>him over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>He challenges you, You know, like he's somebody who I

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<v Speaker 2>always like the people that you go to a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>with and it's not going to be a layup where

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<v Speaker 2>you got to ask good questions and you got to

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<v Speaker 2>think on your feet, and you know, I I think

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<v Speaker 2>he what I what I like about him is like

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<v Speaker 2>I think he likes it when you come into the

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<v Speaker 2>conversation prepared. He's like Lamar Jackson that way. Actually, Lamar

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<v Speaker 2>is just like that too, where you know it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be you know, you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>get answers overflowing with cliches that go on for ever.

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<v Speaker 2>He's gonna be quick and to the point, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know you've got to be able to think on your

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<v Speaker 2>feet and kind of keep the back and forth going.

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<v Speaker 2>I also he reminds me so much of the first

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback I covered, you know, in in my twenty years

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<v Speaker 2>covering the NFL and Brady Like, there are a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of personality traits that are very similar there. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, stylistically, he's like the closest thing to a

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<v Speaker 2>descendant now as far as like the scoreboard goes, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>Mahomes is closest to ever having a shot of catching him.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I think Joe has a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>similarity stylistically the way he plays, you know, and and

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<v Speaker 2>the way he carries himself, what's important to him to

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<v Speaker 2>Brady so and I just think he's a great person,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I think he's a really good guy from

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<v Speaker 2>a good family who.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, wants to do the right thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think you can oftentimes tell about a player

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<v Speaker 2>and what his teammates think of him and Joe, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know better than me, Dan like emphatically catch

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<v Speaker 2>checks that box.

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<v Speaker 1>Albert, you did a brief video this week on social

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<v Speaker 1>media making the case that the Bengal should not only

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<v Speaker 1>extend Jamar Chase, but try to do it right now

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<v Speaker 1>if they can. You refer to Bengals ownership as follows

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<v Speaker 1>good hearted people who want to do the right thing

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<v Speaker 1>and want to win. Elaborate on your case for why

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<v Speaker 1>you think the Bengal should make that move a sap, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>The number one thing is you want to keep your

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback happy. And you know, I think that you can't

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<v Speaker 2>always do it, but when you do it, you should

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<v Speaker 2>go one hundred miles an hour doing it, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean? Like with every quarterback. There are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be situations where you're gonna have to make a.

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<v Speaker 3>Hard decision for the team that they're not going to

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<v Speaker 3>be happy with.

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick Mahomes I'm sure was not happy with with completely

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<v Speaker 2>happy with Tyreek Hill going out the door, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to affect his performance directly, and it's a risk.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they had a good thing going, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know that the Chiefs were upfront with with with with

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick about why they were doing it, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>But they've also done things to help him, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>They they they went over the top and paying Chris Jones,

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<v Speaker 2>they went over the top and accommodating Travis Kelcey. They

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<v Speaker 2>were aggressive when he was on his rookie contract. And

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, I think you always want to be really,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, cognizant of your quarterback and where he's at.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, we know how close Jamar and Joe are.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think, you know, with the possibility that

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<v Speaker 2>you're losing t Higgins, I think that you're taking care

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<v Speaker 2>of Jamar now as a signal.

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<v Speaker 3>To the quarterback how serious you are about winning.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing is I just think Jamar is the

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<v Speaker 2>right type of guy, you know, and and there are

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<v Speaker 2>certain guys where you might like kind of you hold

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<v Speaker 2>your ass paying them, you know what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 2>like I like I like like, I like I. I

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<v Speaker 2>there's a great player, but I don't know the way

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to act to getting to he's gonna he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to react to having you know, a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>money in his pocket. And I just don't think that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to exist with Jamar. Jamar and Justin Jefferson are

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<v Speaker 2>a lot alike that way. I think they're driven by

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<v Speaker 2>team success. I think they're driven by individual greatness. And

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<v Speaker 2>I can tell you a story like that. I've told

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<v Speaker 2>my own kids about Jamar. Right, I was at your

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<v Speaker 2>camp summer twenty one, and you know it's just after COVID,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're just you know, I well, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if it's like this for you, Dan, but like that

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<v Speaker 2>first training camp back, like I was kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>like super aware of everything, you know, and so and

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<v Speaker 2>so that was like remember Jamar's first summer, he had

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<v Speaker 2>the issue with the drops, and you know, I hung

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<v Speaker 2>out in the field afterwards to catch up with a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of coaches, and I was probably out there for

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen or twenty or twenty five minutes whatever it was.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I turn around and I'm walking up

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<v Speaker 2>and I see there's Jamar, like a half hour after

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<v Speaker 2>the field has been cleared, and he's on his knees,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with a trainer or whoever it was, in

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<v Speaker 2>the drugs machine. And you know, I just think like

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<v Speaker 2>it was such a symbol of who the guy is

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<v Speaker 2>as a player and what's important to him and how

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<v Speaker 2>how important being great is to him. And so, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's for my money. Like he and he

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<v Speaker 2>and Jefferson are one two in some order the best

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<v Speaker 2>receivers in the league. I think he's going to continue

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<v Speaker 2>to play at that level because of how important it

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<v Speaker 2>is to him to be at that level. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think combination of a great player you can build around

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<v Speaker 2>offense around. He changes the math for the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the receivers and how they're covered. It makes your quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>happy to have him, and he's got a great rapport

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<v Speaker 2>and uncommon rapport with him because they've been together going

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<v Speaker 2>back to college. I just think, as sooner you can

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<v Speaker 2>get it done, the better, And I would have done

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<v Speaker 2>it before now because the price is only going to

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<v Speaker 2>keep going up.

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<v Speaker 3>You mentioned t.

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<v Speaker 1>Higgins as well. Joe raised some eyebrows this week by

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<v Speaker 1>expressing confidence that the Bengals could keep him as well.

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<v Speaker 1>What was your reaction when you heard those words?

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<v Speaker 3>Wishful thinking?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think the issue is here is how

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<v Speaker 2>do you pay both those guys and and and also

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<v Speaker 2>rebuild the defense and retool.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think we all.

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<v Speaker 2>Know like the issues the issues they've got on the

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<v Speaker 2>defensive side of the ball. There are some guys like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Sam Hubbard and Von.

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<v Speaker 3>Bell who are feeling their years.

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<v Speaker 2>There are younger players who haven't developed as they had

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<v Speaker 2>expected them to. So you know, I think there's a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty significant amount of work that needs to be done

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<v Speaker 2>on the defensive.

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<v Speaker 3>Side of the ball. And yeah, you can do some

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<v Speaker 3>of that through the draft.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, if you're investing however much money in

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<v Speaker 2>one phase of the game, what you know, one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>million and one hundred and ten million dollars per year

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<v Speaker 2>and one phase of the game, are you gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>able to do the things you need to be do

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<v Speaker 2>need to do to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Good enough everywhere else? That's number one?

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<v Speaker 2>So you have to make a choice. And I look,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Higgins is a fantastic player. But but Jamar

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<v Speaker 2>is better, so Jamar is the guy you pay. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's that part of it. And I also think like

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<v Speaker 2>that position generally you can find it. I mean t

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<v Speaker 2>Higgins himself was a second round pick. They got your

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<v Speaker 2>main Burton in the third round. If you look at

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<v Speaker 2>some of the best receivers in the league, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so guys who have big contracts now, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>them were drafted outside of the first round. AJ Brown, Deebo,

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<v Speaker 2>Samuel Terry McLaurin, DK Metcalf. You can go right on

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<v Speaker 2>down the list. There are a lot of guys taken

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<v Speaker 2>outside the first round. I'm on Ross Saint Brown that

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<v Speaker 2>have turned into top of the league players at that position.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just the nature of the sport where seven on

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<v Speaker 2>seven is taken the sport, the way that kids are

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<v Speaker 2>throwing and catching now, the best athletes playing receiver, they're

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<v Speaker 2>just everywhere, so you can find them easier too. So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think the replaceability of the position, the

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<v Speaker 2>choice that you have between Chase and Higgins, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the reality of paying two receivers and a quarterback all

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<v Speaker 2>at once or what it might mean for the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of your team is why I think the likelihood has

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<v Speaker 2>chased Stays long term and Higgins is gone.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess the reverse of it could be.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you could do what San Francisco did with

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<v Speaker 2>their d tackles a few years ago, where they decided

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<v Speaker 2>to to to pay the one that was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a little bit cheaper and keeping Eric Armstead and

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<v Speaker 2>and moving on from DeForest Bucketer. But my guess would

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<v Speaker 2>be be the other way around here, they would keep

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<v Speaker 2>Jamar and move on from Tea.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals are at Tennessee on Sunday, a reunion for

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<v Speaker 1>Zach Taylor and Brian Callahan. What are a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>keys for the Bengals to knock off the three and

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<v Speaker 1>ten Titans.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll stay out of their own way for one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is one of those games where you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you give the other team confidence early on, it

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<v Speaker 2>can be a problem, you know, So I like, I

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<v Speaker 2>hate the fast start start fast thing is a key

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<v Speaker 2>because you know what's the alternative. But I think this

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<v Speaker 2>is like the type of game where you can bury

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<v Speaker 2>the opponent pretty quickly. Look like, I think, you know

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<v Speaker 2>Calli and his staff have a ways to go, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>and you guys are very familiar with him. But and

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<v Speaker 2>and and and clearly they've got a question a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>But they are strong along the lines of scrimmage. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they do have Jeffrey Simmons and Trevandre Sweat's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>a really good player.

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<v Speaker 3>For them in time. And you know the offensive line.

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<v Speaker 2>They've spent you know, a high draft capital on guys

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<v Speaker 2>like jac Latham and Peter Skirt. So you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>the type of team that you know, if you if

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<v Speaker 2>you let the thing become a street fight, you know that,

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<v Speaker 2>then then then you're you know, you're sort of barking up,

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<v Speaker 2>not barking up their own tree.

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<v Speaker 3>It's around cliche.

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<v Speaker 2>You're asking for trouble maybe, So I think getting on

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<v Speaker 2>top of them and getting them in a position where

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<v Speaker 2>they have to play catch up, you know, could put

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<v Speaker 2>the Titans in a really tough spot. And for once,

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<v Speaker 2>for once, give the the Bengals a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>lay up here.

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<v Speaker 1>Last thing for Albert brun I really appreciate your time.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals won four games in twenty twenty and went

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<v Speaker 1>to the Super Bowl in twenty twenty one. How realistic

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<v Speaker 1>is it for the Bengals to be right back in

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<v Speaker 1>the mix next year after having a disappointing season this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Very realistic, you know, I I I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's been a lot of questions about what the future

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<v Speaker 2>is going to look like there. I think with Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Burrow and Zach Taylor in place, with Duke Tobin running

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<v Speaker 2>the draft, I think if they can invest a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more, you know, and that's again an ownership thing,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe make a little bit of a deeper, deeper investment

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<v Speaker 2>in scouting going forward, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And and hit on draft picks, and dude's been pretty

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<v Speaker 3>good in.

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<v Speaker 2>That area, they can get this thing turned around pretty quick,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I also think lou Ana Roumo would be

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<v Speaker 2>able to get things turned around quick if you can

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<v Speaker 2>kind of flip the roster a little bit on that

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<v Speaker 2>side of the ball. So I have no doubt that

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<v Speaker 2>the offense is going to be good, especially if they

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<v Speaker 2>get you know, full off seasons from their key guys,

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<v Speaker 2>which has been a struggle for them in the last

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<v Speaker 2>few years.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, what they what they.

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<v Speaker 2>Wind up looking looking like on defense, I think is

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you'd agree that the swing factor and where

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<v Speaker 2>they're going in twenty twenty five but I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>very realistic that they could be right up there with the.

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<v Speaker 3>Chiefs and the Bills atop the AFC next year.

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<v Speaker 1>Albert, this has been outstanding. Can thank you enough for

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<v Speaker 1>your time. Keep up the great work.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thanks for putting up with my cold and my

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<v Speaker 3>horse voice. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>One interesting matchup to keep an eye on this week

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<v Speaker 1>is Trey Hendrickson versus Titan left tackle JC Latham, the

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<v Speaker 1>seventh overall pick in this year's draft. Trey leads the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL with twelve and a half sacks. Latham leads the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL in sacks allowed with thirteen. We'll see if big

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<v Speaker 1>play Tray adds to his league leading total on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>One issue that the Bengals have had on defense this

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<v Speaker 1>year is getting sacks from somebody other than Trey, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's changed in recent weeks as Joseph Osai has picked

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<v Speaker 1>up sacks in each of the last three games. He

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<v Speaker 1>also blocked a field goal in the Pittsburgh game. I

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<v Speaker 1>caught up with Joseph this week to discuss his recent productivity. Joseph,

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<v Speaker 1>you scored a touchdown on a fumble recovery a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years ago. Against Baltimore. How did the excitement of

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<v Speaker 1>that blocked field goal a couple of weeks ago against

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<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh compare.

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<v Speaker 4>Nothing visa touchdown? You know, So that one's tough, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's close there. It's close up there. But yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I said, a big man's is to either catch it

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<v Speaker 4>and run in for a touchdown or pick it up

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<v Speaker 4>and run in for a touchdown. I was fortunate that

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<v Speaker 4>it was there, so all I do was fall on it.

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<v Speaker 4>But I would say I would say a touchdown, touchdown?

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<v Speaker 4>Stead up there?

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<v Speaker 1>Understandable. I'm that block field goal? Muma Jong Meta and

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<v Speaker 1>Tyson Anderson put number ninety two of the Steelers on

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<v Speaker 1>his butt and you were able to slice through a

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<v Speaker 1>gap pretty much untouched. Is that the way that's supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to look or did it just work out unbelievably?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's the way it's drawn up. But it was

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred percent there's you know what I mean. It

0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.600
<v Speaker 4>happened because they were able to execute and do that.

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<v Speaker 4>So kudos to those guys.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure.

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<v Speaker 1>We're visiting the Joseph Osai. You've had a sack now

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<v Speaker 1>in three consecutive games. Have you felt like it was

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<v Speaker 1>only a matter of time before you started getting some.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, that's how it is. You know you're Russian and

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<v Speaker 4>gave the way the game goes. You know, either he

0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.000
<v Speaker 4>gets the bought out too early, or you hit him

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<v Speaker 4>and you just fall off it, or you miss him,

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<v Speaker 4>or you hit him and or you pressure him into

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<v Speaker 4>some other guys. And but you just gotta keep going.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't be discouraged. And you just understand when it

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<v Speaker 4>when the rains are poor, so when they do come,

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<v Speaker 4>they'll come in bunches. Everybody knows that Lou.

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<v Speaker 1>And Aroumo has praised your growth this year, especially as

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<v Speaker 1>a run defender. Is it physical improvement or better understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of the game.

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<v Speaker 4>I would say both understanding his scheme and being being

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<v Speaker 4>in it for it for so long now and being

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<v Speaker 4>comfortable in it. You play faster, and then obviously you

0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:32.399
<v Speaker 4>still need to be strong, you need to get off blocks,

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<v Speaker 4>you need to do your job. And then and then

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<v Speaker 4>some which is the running to the ball, which is

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<v Speaker 4>what Lou preaches about all the time, the effort to

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<v Speaker 4>the ball, all all eleven guys driving. He likes when

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<v Speaker 4>he cuts tape and when he hits pause, and he

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<v Speaker 4>sees all eleven guys digging to the ball, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>what we try to do. So I would say both

0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.440
<v Speaker 4>understanding the defense so I can play faster I can

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<v Speaker 4>I can anticipate better, you know, and help myself being

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<v Speaker 4>at a positioning and then being strong and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>grinding an off season with Trey and being able to

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<v Speaker 4>shed those blogs and and go that extra mount.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about your relationship with Trey before and how

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<v Speaker 1>he's been a great mentor for you. How would you

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<v Speaker 1>describe the season that he is having.

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<v Speaker 4>This year unbelievable? Unbelievable and unbelievable, but believable to me

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<v Speaker 4>because it's been there all along, and I know I know

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<v Speaker 4>what kind of guy he is. I've seen it. I've

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<v Speaker 4>seen the way he puts in work, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>only like you were saying, it's only amount of time

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<v Speaker 4>before if the whole the whole world sees it, and

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<v Speaker 4>if he's not Defense Player of the Year this year,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what we're looking at. But that's just

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<v Speaker 4>my true cents. I might be biased because you know,

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<v Speaker 4>he's such a big mentor to me, but I don't care.

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<v Speaker 4>He's he's great and it's only going to keep getting better,

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<v Speaker 4>So look out.

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<v Speaker 1>You've had bad injury luck in the past, hopefully that

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<v Speaker 1>is strictly in the past and not going to happen again.

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<v Speaker 1>You've had wrist, shoulder, and knee surgeries. Do any of

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<v Speaker 1>those injuries still give you trouble?

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<v Speaker 4>Not really, not really, And you know, I keep talking

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<v Speaker 4>about Trede, but Trey was a huge, huge, huge part

0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:14.080
<v Speaker 4>of getting over that mental hurdle with the wrist, and

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<v Speaker 4>once I got over that, it was, you know, just

0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:21.040
<v Speaker 4>progression every day. So I would definitely I'm super thankful

0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:23.120
<v Speaker 4>to guy for putting him in my life and and

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<v Speaker 4>using him to help me because it was tough. It

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<v Speaker 4>was tough at times. You know, I was taping it

0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:29.159
<v Speaker 4>when I didn't need to tape it, even though the

0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:31.200
<v Speaker 4>tape wasn't doing anything, but the feeling of the tape

0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.480
<v Speaker 4>helped me mentally, and he was He just kept telling

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<v Speaker 4>me cut it off. The tapes not doing anything, cut

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<v Speaker 4>it off, cut it off. And one day I was

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<v Speaker 4>just because it was getting to a point where it

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<v Speaker 4>was annoying hearing him say it every day because he

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<v Speaker 4>didn't he didn't. If you know him, he doesn't let up.

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<v Speaker 4>So when they had cut it off, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the world didn't and so just and then gradually I

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<v Speaker 4>was able to trust it more and you know, use

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<v Speaker 4>it more, and it's a huge it's a huge part

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<v Speaker 4>of how I'm playing to run this year, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was great you won a game in Dallas

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<v Speaker 1>on Monday night. You're from Texas, he played for the Longhorns.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that extra special for you?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, every win, especially this season, everyone is special,

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<v Speaker 4>but it did mean something to be back at home.

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<v Speaker 4>That was the first game my family was at, so

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<v Speaker 4>again it was extraprescial in that sense. But I wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>a Cowboys fan growing up, so I didn't care about

0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:25.840
<v Speaker 4>that as just getting that win and heading to his

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<v Speaker 4>right direction in this for this team.

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<v Speaker 1>Your first NFL contract will be up at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the year. Is that on your mind?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? But no, you know what I mean, it's on

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<v Speaker 4>my mind because I could possibly not be with my

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<v Speaker 4>brothers that I've been with for four years now, so

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<v Speaker 4>that that'd be tough, but God wouldn and God knows whom,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. We could be anywhere and

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<v Speaker 4>maybe I'll still get to be with him. But that's

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<v Speaker 4>why it's on my mind because of that, and then

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<v Speaker 4>the other stuff. You know, ball, you keep playing ball.

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<v Speaker 4>That stuff a take care of itself. I can play

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<v Speaker 4>ball for free. I'm just I'm super thankful that they

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<v Speaker 4>pay us to do a lot of money to do it.

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<v Speaker 4>But I could play both for free because I love

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<v Speaker 4>the game. I love the game. With a new game,

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<v Speaker 4>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're putting yourself in position for a good payday. You're

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<v Speaker 1>only twenty four years old. Do you feel like the

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<v Speaker 1>best is yet to come?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh? For sure, there's only growth. And if this is

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<v Speaker 4>my ceiling, that'd be careble to say so. I'm looking

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<v Speaker 4>forward to surpassing that ceiling and keep growing, So I

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<v Speaker 4>would say yes, the best is yet to come.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say so too. Appreciate your time, best of luck,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Boss.

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<v Speaker 1>of the Bengals, now ten For this week's Know the

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<v Speaker 1>Faux segment, this week's opponent is the three and tennis

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<v Speaker 1>CE Titans under first year head coach Brian Callahan. The

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<v Speaker 1>former Bengals offensive coordinator. Nashville sportscaster John Burton joined Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Lapham in me this week on the Bengals Game Plan Show,

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<v Speaker 1>and I asked John if Titans fans are showing patients

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<v Speaker 1>with coach Callahan are already expressing doubts about his future

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<v Speaker 1>in Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 5>Great question. It depends on who you talk to. There

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<v Speaker 5>are some that realize, hey, he's a first not only

0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:39.760
<v Speaker 5>a first year coach here in Nashville with the Tennessee Titans,

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<v Speaker 5>but also a first year NFL head coach. Right, they're

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<v Speaker 5>going to be growing pains, and it's something we talked

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<v Speaker 5>about during the summer. But then when it happens, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>it's kind of like a perfect example, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a diehard New York's Yankee fan. I knew there

0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:56.480
<v Speaker 5>was a possibility we could lose Wan Soda and free

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<v Speaker 5>agency to the Mets, But when it happened, I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean. So, I think the ceiling

0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:07.680
<v Speaker 5>for this team was probably realistically eight maybe nine wins.

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<v Speaker 5>The floor we thought maybe was in the five to

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<v Speaker 5>six range, and obviously it's a couple of steps below that.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the fans are trying to be patient. But

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<v Speaker 5>when you look at everything that happened during the offseason,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, Mike Brabile getting fired, Derek Henry leaving by

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<v Speaker 5>a free agency. Some of the mainstay players that help

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<v Speaker 5>this team be consistent in the playoffs over the last

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<v Speaker 5>several years, over the last couple of years have left

0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:33.800
<v Speaker 5>this organization. I think a lot of fans are wondering

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<v Speaker 5>what is the future of this organization. But so yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>there are you know, fans are gonna fan and so

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of people are like, you know, who is

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<v Speaker 5>this guy? Why did we hire him? Why isn't Rable here?

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<v Speaker 5>But I think the more level headed fan knows that,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, there's going to be growing pains. We're experienced

0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:53.800
<v Speaker 5>them experiencing them right now, and you know, you just

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<v Speaker 5>got to ride it out and hope that the front

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<v Speaker 5>office can you know, improve the roster and things can

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<v Speaker 5>kind of you know, level out a little bit.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, John, it's great to hear your voice. Appreciate you

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<v Speaker 6>joining us. Brian Callahan, in my mind as humble a

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<v Speaker 6>guy as I've ever known. I mean, he passes credit

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<v Speaker 6>on to everybody else. Collaboration is his buzzword. It's what

0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:19.439
<v Speaker 6>he's all about. Is that what he's presenting to the

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<v Speaker 6>organization down there.

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<v Speaker 5>Definitely. First of all, Big Dave, great to talk to you,

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<v Speaker 5>as always, But second of all, that's a big reason

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<v Speaker 5>why he got hired. You know, Amy Adams Strunk, the

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<v Speaker 5>owner of the Tennessee Titans, wants collaboration, you know, between

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:38.200
<v Speaker 5>front office, general manager, head coach, coaching staff. That's a

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<v Speaker 5>big reason why when she let you know, Mike rabil go,

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<v Speaker 5>she elevated Ran Carthon not only the general manager, but

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<v Speaker 5>to vice president and general manager. He is in charge

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<v Speaker 5>of the putting the roster together, putting the coaching staff together.

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<v Speaker 5>And the idea is for just what you said, collaboration.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, everybody in tune with one of another, everybody

0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 5>on the same page. That wasn't necessarily the case when

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<v Speaker 5>Prabel was here. So but you're right, Brian Callahan is

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<v Speaker 5>a humble guy, and you can tell you know he

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:12.520
<v Speaker 5>wants to be successful. I mean, he's dave. He's been

0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:14.960
<v Speaker 5>wearing these losses after these games, I mean a couple

0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.240
<v Speaker 5>of times almost coming to tiers and you can feel it.

0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:20.119
<v Speaker 5>It's eating away at him. He wants to be successful,

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:23.080
<v Speaker 5>he wants to win, he wants to win now and

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<v Speaker 5>so but yeah, I will say this from a media standpoint,

0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:29.919
<v Speaker 5>dealing with him is one hundred and eighty degrees different

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:33.400
<v Speaker 5>than dealing with Mike Rabel and it's it's been pretty cool.

0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 5>I like Brian a lot. I mean, he comes across

0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:39.600
<v Speaker 5>as a very very likable guy, a good dude, wants

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<v Speaker 5>to win, wants to be successful, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 5>know I'm supposed to be objective as a media guy,

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<v Speaker 5>but I don't mind saying I am pulling for him

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm rooting for him big time.

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<v Speaker 1>We feel the same way about Brian Callahan. John Burton

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<v Speaker 1>is our guest. Let's talk about Will Levis, the former

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky Wildcat quarterback three and six is a starter last

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<v Speaker 1>year two and eight so far this year five and fourteen. Overall,

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<v Speaker 1>have the Titans seen enough of Will Levis to know

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<v Speaker 1>if he is their quarterback going forward?

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<v Speaker 5>I think Dan. They've seen enough to know that he'll

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<v Speaker 5>get another year to prove that he can be the

0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:14.840
<v Speaker 5>franchise quarterback, right, I mean a lot of you know,

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:16.920
<v Speaker 5>he had a lot to learn this year. New head coach,

0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:22.199
<v Speaker 5>new offensive system, new weapons, and new personnel. It's been

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:24.200
<v Speaker 5>a struggle for him at times. You know, the offensive

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 5>line hasn't helped him. He's been sacked and hit a bunch.

0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:29.360
<v Speaker 5>He's been already injured a couple of times. He's missed

0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:32.359
<v Speaker 5>some time due to injury. But the good news is,

0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:35.960
<v Speaker 5>you know, the turnovers are down. The boneheaded mistakes that

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:38.560
<v Speaker 5>he made at the beginning of the year, in the

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:40.800
<v Speaker 5>first couple of games, he was good for one a game,

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 5>those have diminished a little bit. The biggest thing with

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:47.080
<v Speaker 5>him is decision making and consistency. You know, last week

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 5>and the loss of the Jaguars, you know, the Titans

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 5>were zero for two in the red zone against the really,

0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 5>really bad Jaguars team and defense, and you know, there

0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 5>was one particular play that everybody's talking about. You know,

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:01.600
<v Speaker 5>Callahan decides to go forward on fourth down and he

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:04.399
<v Speaker 5>had a wide open chigacon Quo the tight end in

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:06.960
<v Speaker 5>the end zone on one of those stack plays where

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:09.880
<v Speaker 5>you've got a you know, receiver shallow and a receiver deep.

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.800
<v Speaker 5>He went for the deep option UH in the back

0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:14.879
<v Speaker 5>of the end zone and it was broken up by

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 5>a defensive back. So you know, good quarterbacks don't miss

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:21.879
<v Speaker 5>wide open receivers and so he's got to improve in

0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:24.680
<v Speaker 5>that area. But you know, Callahan has always talked about

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 5>he likes will Levis's work ethic. He likes the fact

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:29.879
<v Speaker 5>that he's coachable. He likes the fact that, you know,

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:34.199
<v Speaker 5>he's willing to take whatever constructive criticism there is and

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:37.639
<v Speaker 5>get better. So I think are they one hundred percent

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 5>convinced that he is their long term franchise quarterback. I

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 5>think the answer to that question is no. But have

0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:44.440
<v Speaker 5>they seen enough to give him another shot at it

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:46.520
<v Speaker 5>next year? I would say the answer is yes.

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<v Speaker 6>You mentioned turnovers, John, and you know, I'm looking at UH.

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:53.520
<v Speaker 6>I'm looking at the Tennessee Titans defense numbers. I'm like, God,

0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 6>their top ten and every top five and a lot

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 6>of things, and yet they they're thirtieth in points allowed.

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 6>You know, it's like twenty seventh in points allowed, thirtieth

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:05.880
<v Speaker 6>and points scored twenty seventh in points A lot how

0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 6>do they give up all these points? Then you see

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 6>minus eleven in the turnover department, tied for thirty teen

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:14.720
<v Speaker 6>NFL three pick sixes, and teams have scored eighty nine

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:16.680
<v Speaker 6>points off of those turnovers. So some of those have

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 6>been short fields. You know that teams were able to,

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:22.920
<v Speaker 6>you know, negotiate fairly easily. Is there any finger pointing

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 6>going on between offensive and defensive players as a result

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 6>of some of that.

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 5>Well, I'll tell you what. Last week was tough. You know,

0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 5>walking into the locker room after that loss to the Jaguars,

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 5>there seemed to be a couple of defensive players pretty

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 5>disgrundled at how inep the offense was last week. And

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 5>you know, Jeffrey Simmons, the great All Pro defensive tackle,

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:47.760
<v Speaker 5>was you know, saying during his postgame media availability, He's

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:50.040
<v Speaker 5>basically was like, you know what, I'm tired of seeing

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 5>our quarterback getting laid out and crawling around on the ground.

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 5>And there are a couple of defensive players that seem to,

0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 5>you know, voice their opinions about how well or how

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 5>well poorly the offense played. They didn't say anything publicly,

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 5>but you could just get a feel being in the

0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 5>locker room. So I think there is a little bit

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:10.200
<v Speaker 5>of that going on, and you know it's gonna be

0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:12.360
<v Speaker 5>up to Callahan and his staff to quell that. But

0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 5>you know, once cooler heads prevailed, we're in the locker

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 5>room today. Everybody was singing the same tune. Hey, you

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:21.400
<v Speaker 5>know we're gonna finish strong. We're gonna finish the season strong.

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 5>We win as a team, we lose as a team.

0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 5>But you know it's human nature, right guys. You know

0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:27.720
<v Speaker 5>you're playing your butt off on defense and the offense

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 5>can't cash in against really a team that they shouldn't

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:34.640
<v Speaker 5>have had much problems with, yeah, in the Jacksonville Jaguars.

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 5>So you know that's gonna happen from time to time.

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 5>But the one thing, you know, we talk about Brian

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 5>Callahan and all these all the situations going on with

0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 5>the record and how bad the season's been, I don't

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 5>get the sense that these players are quitting on Cali

0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:51.120
<v Speaker 5>at all. I mean, as an example, I'm a New

0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:54.080
<v Speaker 5>York Giants fan, and I feel like those players are

0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 5>quitting on Brian Dable right now, and it's not a

0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 5>good situation. I don't get that sense.

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:01.640
<v Speaker 1>Here a couple more questions for our friend John Burton.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you about the punter Ryan Stenhouse.

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 1>He's fourth in the NFL and average, he's thirtieth in net.

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 1>They're giving up a ton of punt return yardage. What's

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 1>the deal there?

0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:18.800
<v Speaker 5>Special teams has been into absolute disaster this year. Guys,

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 5>you're right, you know they're giving up a ton of

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 5>return yardage. You know, Ryan Stonehouse is one of the

0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 5>better punters in terms of placing the ball, in terms

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 5>of getting your own when you need a long punt,

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 5>if you're deep in your own end, he can provide it.

0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 5>But the tackling has been poor on the returns. The

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 5>angles have been poor on the returns, and both kickoff

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 5>and punt. You know, they've had punts blocked for touchdowns.

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 5>They've had all kinds of mishaps on special teams. And

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 5>you know, Colt Anderson is a special teams coach, and

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 5>you know, you guys know how this business is. I'm

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:55.640
<v Speaker 5>hoping he's renting and he didn't buy property here in

0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:58.400
<v Speaker 5>Nashville because he may not be here much longer. But

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 5>bad tackling bad, and unfortunately, if you look back at

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 5>the Lions game, it just didn't look like the effort

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:09.840
<v Speaker 5>was there, and so that's a problem. And that's that's

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 5>been a problem all season for the Titans. Just bad

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 5>special teams all around. Nick Folk those at forty one

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 5>years old, but still pretty good kicker though, we got

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 5>that going for us.

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, No, Honey went out of twenty two. He's

0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 1>as good as anybody in the league.

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:26.200
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and uh, I mean in the last couple of years,

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:28.040
<v Speaker 6>what he's fifty out of fifty two is a Titan.

0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 6>I mean, the dude doesn't miss. It's crazy. But you

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:32.960
<v Speaker 6>talked about bad angles, bad tackling. I thought you were

0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 6>going to talk about the Bengals defensive football team. That's

0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:38.560
<v Speaker 6>what deepened. I mean, it's like you got to be

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:41.640
<v Speaker 6>kidneying on special teams. There must be something in some

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 6>kind of disease or virus that's going around the league.

0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 6>My final question for him, appreciate you as always, John.

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<v Speaker 6>You've been a plethrough of info.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 6>Nine times in the red zone the Titans have come

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<v Speaker 6>away without a point, no scores, and I can understand.

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<v Speaker 6>And Brian Callahan, he's aggressive by nature and that guarder

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<v Speaker 6>he's probably looking at how the season's unfolding you think

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<v Speaker 6>that will continue?

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<v Speaker 5>Is it?

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<v Speaker 6>Like, you know, why the hell now, why don't we

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<v Speaker 6>just get after it and go forward in the road zone.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you think that that type of mindset will continue?

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<v Speaker 5>I think so, Dave, But I think, you know, Cally

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<v Speaker 5>spoke about it today, just the fact that, you know what,

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<v Speaker 5>I need to take a better look at how we're

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<v Speaker 5>approaching the red zone because you know, you look at

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<v Speaker 5>the two instances last week where they came up empty

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<v Speaker 5>in the red zone. They were running the ball extremely well.

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<v Speaker 5>Tony Pollard's having a really solid year. Yea tightened in

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<v Speaker 5>his first year here, the former Cowboys running back. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>he's probably going to get a thousand yards when it's

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<v Speaker 5>all said and done. And you know, Cally kind of admitted,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, there are times where maybe I'm too aggressive.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, we have goal to go. Maybe I need

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<v Speaker 5>to run the ball a little bit more so. It's

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<v Speaker 5>all part of the learning process for a new head coach.

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<v Speaker 5>But hey, listen, four games left. You want to try

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<v Speaker 5>to win as many as you can. I definitely expect

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<v Speaker 5>Brian Callahan to be aggressive in terms of, hey, it's

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<v Speaker 5>fourth down, let's go for it, Let's try to get it,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, get it in the end zone, especial, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>with a home game, one of two home games left,

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<v Speaker 5>and you want to try to send the home crowd

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<v Speaker 5>happy as best you can. So I think he'll be aggressive,

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<v Speaker 5>but I think he'll try to be a little bit

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<v Speaker 5>smarter and more selective about the types of plays that

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<v Speaker 5>he calls, especially when they get in the high red zone,

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<v Speaker 5>right guys, you know, inside the five yard line, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>John and I made up the sports team at WTVHTV

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<v Speaker 1>in Syracuse, New York many years ago, and he is

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<v Speaker 1>one of my all time favorite people in this business.

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