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Speaker 1: Albert Breer from Sports Illustrated about the possibility of Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow winning MVP despite the Bengals record. My one on

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Speaker 1: tasty appetizer before the Bengals face the Titans on Sunday

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Speaker 1: at one. Now, let's get to my first guest. It

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Speaker 1: is always great to spend a few minutes with Sports

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Speaker 1: Illustrated senior NFL reporter Albert Breer. Albert, prior to the season,

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Speaker 1: you picked Joe Burrow to be your NFL MVP, So

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Speaker 1: clearly you had high expectations for this season. But all

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Speaker 1: things considered, coming back from the risk, et cetera, has

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Speaker 1: he even exceeded what you were expecting?

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean I think you make an

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Speaker 2: argument for him being MVP. Now, you know, I one

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Speaker 2: of the guys I work with at Amazon, actually, Richard Sherman,

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Speaker 2: did have him as MVP just because of you know,

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Speaker 2: Bengals and how he's kept them in it, and as

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Speaker 2: fate as the hopes are right now for the team,

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Speaker 2: based on the way the defense is played, based on

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Speaker 2: is a player who's more valuable to his team now,

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Speaker 2: But Joe's been off the charts, you know, And you know,

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Speaker 2: I think it's a great sign of where the Bengals

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Speaker 3: As far as the chances of getting in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right. The MVP will almost certainly come

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Speaker 1: Joe will get a significant number of votes?

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Speaker 2: There are very few quarterbacks that are as obsessed with

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Speaker 3: But I do think he deserves votes.

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Speaker 2: But but I yeah, it's hard for me to see Joe,

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Speaker 1: Albert Breer from Sports Illustrated is our guest. You seem

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Speaker 2: He challenges you, You know, like he's somebody who I

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Speaker 2: But you know, I think Joe has a lot of

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Speaker 3: You know, wants to do the right thing.

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Speaker 2: And I think you can oftentimes tell about a player

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Speaker 2: as you know better than me, Dan like emphatically catch

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Speaker 1: Albert, you did a brief video this week on social

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Speaker 1: media making the case that the Bengal should not only

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Speaker 1: and want to win. Elaborate on your case for why

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Speaker 2: The number one thing is you want to keep your

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Speaker 2: always do it, but when you do it, you should

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Speaker 2: what I mean? Like with every quarterback. There are going

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Speaker 3: Hard decision for the team that they're not going to

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Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes I'm sure was not happy with with completely

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Speaker 2: You know, they had a good thing going, and you

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Speaker 3: But they've also done things to help him, you know.

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Speaker 2: so you know, I think you always want to be really,

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Speaker 3: And you know, we know how close Jamar and Joe are.

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Speaker 2: And so I think, you know, with the possibility that

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Speaker 3: To the quarterback how serious you are about winning.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is I just think Jamar is the

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Speaker 2: I think he's for my money. Like he and he

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Speaker 2: think combination of a great player you can build around

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Speaker 1: The Bengals are at Tennessee on Sunday, a reunion for

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Speaker 1: Zach Taylor and Brian Callahan. What are a couple of

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Speaker 2: We'll stay out of their own way for one thing.

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Speaker 2: But they are strong along the lines of scrimmage. You know,

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Speaker 3: For them in time. And you know the offensive line.

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Speaker 2: They've spent you know, a high draft capital on guys

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Speaker 2: then then then you're you know, you're sort of barking up,

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Speaker 3: It's around cliche.

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Speaker 2: You're asking for trouble maybe, So I think getting on

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Speaker 1: Last thing for Albert brun I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals won four games in twenty twenty and went

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Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl in twenty twenty one. How realistic

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Speaker 1: is it for the Bengals to be right back in

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Speaker 1: the mix next year after having a disappointing season this year.

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Speaker 2: Very realistic, you know, I I I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: And and hit on draft picks, and dude's been pretty

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Speaker 2: That area, they can get this thing turned around pretty quick,

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Speaker 3: You know, what they what they.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you'd agree that the swing factor and where

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Speaker 1: Albert, this has been outstanding. Can thank you enough for

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Speaker 1: your time. Keep up the great work.

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks for putting up with my cold and my

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Speaker 1: One interesting matchup to keep an eye on this week

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Speaker 1: is Trey Hendrickson versus Titan left tackle JC Latham, the

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Speaker 1: One issue that the Bengals have had on defense this

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Speaker 1: that's changed in recent weeks as Joseph Osai has picked

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Speaker 1: caught up with Joseph this week to discuss his recent productivity. Joseph,

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Speaker 4: Nothing visa touchdown? You know, So that one's tough, but

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Speaker 4: I said, a big man's is to either catch it

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Speaker 4: But I would say I would say a touchdown, touchdown?

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Speaker 1: Understandable. I'm that block field goal? Muma Jong Meta and

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Speaker 1: Tyson Anderson put number ninety two of the Steelers on

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Speaker 4: Well, that's the way it's drawn up. But it was

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Speaker 4: So kudos to those guys.

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Speaker 1: We're visiting the Joseph Osai. You've had a sack now

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, that's how it is. You know you're Russian and

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Speaker 4: You can't be discouraged. And you just understand when it

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Speaker 4: This year unbelievable? Unbelievable and unbelievable, but believable to me

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Speaker 4: I don't know what we're looking at. But that's just

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Speaker 4: He's he's great and it's only going to keep getting better,

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Speaker 1: You've had bad injury luck in the past, hopefully that

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Speaker 4: didn't he didn't. If you know him, he doesn't let up.

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Speaker 4: So when they had cut it off, and you know,

439
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,639
Speaker 4: the world didn't and so just and then gradually I

440
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 4: was able to trust it more and you know, use

441
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 4: it more, and it's a huge it's a huge part

442
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Speaker 4: of how I'm playing to run this year, you know

443
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Speaker 4: what I mean.

444
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Speaker 1: So it was great you won a game in Dallas

445
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Speaker 1: on Monday night. You're from Texas, he played for the Longhorns.

446
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Speaker 1: Was that extra special for you?

447
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Speaker 4: I mean, every win, especially this season, everyone is special,

448
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 4: but it did mean something to be back at home.

449
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Speaker 4: That was the first game my family was at, so

450
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,640
Speaker 4: again it was extraprescial in that sense. But I wasn't

451
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Speaker 4: a Cowboys fan growing up, so I didn't care about

452
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Speaker 4: that as just getting that win and heading to his

453
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 4: right direction in this for this team.

454
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Speaker 1: Your first NFL contract will be up at the end

455
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Speaker 1: of the year. Is that on your mind?

456
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Speaker 4: Yeah? But no, you know what I mean, it's on

457
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Speaker 4: my mind because I could possibly not be with my

458
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Speaker 4: brothers that I've been with for four years now, so

459
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 4: that that'd be tough, but God wouldn and God knows whom,

460
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. We could be anywhere and

461
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Speaker 4: maybe I'll still get to be with him. But that's

462
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Speaker 4: why it's on my mind because of that, and then

463
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Speaker 4: the other stuff. You know, ball, you keep playing ball.

464
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Speaker 4: That stuff a take care of itself. I can play

465
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Speaker 4: ball for free. I'm just I'm super thankful that they

466
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 4: pay us to do a lot of money to do it.

467
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 4: But I could play both for free because I love

468
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Speaker 4: the game. I love the game. With a new game,

469
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Speaker 4: I love it.

470
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Speaker 1: You're putting yourself in position for a good payday. You're

471
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Speaker 1: only twenty four years old. Do you feel like the

472
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Speaker 1: best is yet to come?

473
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Speaker 4: Oh? For sure, there's only growth. And if this is

474
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Speaker 4: my ceiling, that'd be careble to say so. I'm looking

475
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Speaker 4: forward to surpassing that ceiling and keep growing, So I

476
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Speaker 4: would say yes, the best is yet to come.

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Speaker 1: I'd say so too. Appreciate your time, best of luck,

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

479
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Speaker 2: Boss.

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Speaker 1: Joseph passed thirty one tackles this year. His previous career

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Speaker 1: of the Bengals, now ten For this week's Know the

488
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Speaker 1: Faux segment, this week's opponent is the three and tennis

489
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Speaker 1: CE Titans under first year head coach Brian Callahan. The

490
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Speaker 1: former Bengals offensive coordinator. Nashville sportscaster John Burton joined Dave

491
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Speaker 1: Lapham in me this week on the Bengals Game Plan Show,

492
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Speaker 1: and I asked John if Titans fans are showing patients

493
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Speaker 1: with coach Callahan are already expressing doubts about his future

494
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Speaker 1: in Tennessee.

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Speaker 5: Great question. It depends on who you talk to. There

496
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Speaker 5: are some that realize, hey, he's a first not only

497
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Speaker 5: a first year coach here in Nashville with the Tennessee Titans,

498
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Speaker 5: but also a first year NFL head coach. Right, they're

499
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Speaker 5: going to be growing pains, and it's something we talked

500
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Speaker 5: about during the summer. But then when it happens, you know,

501
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 5: it's kind of like a perfect example, right, you know,

502
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Speaker 5: I'm a diehard New York's Yankee fan. I knew there

503
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 5: was a possibility we could lose Wan Soda and free

504
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 5: agency to the Mets, But when it happened, I was like, oh,

505
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So, I think the ceiling

506
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 5: for this team was probably realistically eight maybe nine wins.

507
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 5: The floor we thought maybe was in the five to

508
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Speaker 5: six range, and obviously it's a couple of steps below that.

509
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Speaker 5: I think the fans are trying to be patient. But

510
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 5: when you look at everything that happened during the offseason,

511
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Speaker 5: you know, Mike Brabile getting fired, Derek Henry leaving by

512
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 5: a free agency. Some of the mainstay players that help

513
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 5: this team be consistent in the playoffs over the last

514
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 5: several years, over the last couple of years have left

515
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Speaker 5: this organization. I think a lot of fans are wondering

516
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Speaker 5: what is the future of this organization. But so yeah,

517
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Speaker 5: there are you know, fans are gonna fan and so

518
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Speaker 5: a lot of people are like, you know, who is

519
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 5: this guy? Why did we hire him? Why isn't Rable here?

520
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Speaker 5: But I think the more level headed fan knows that,

521
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Speaker 5: you know, there's going to be growing pains. We're experienced

522
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Speaker 5: them experiencing them right now, and you know, you just

523
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Speaker 5: got to ride it out and hope that the front

524
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Speaker 5: office can you know, improve the roster and things can

525
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Speaker 5: kind of you know, level out a little bit.

526
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Speaker 6: Well, John, it's great to hear your voice. Appreciate you

527
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Speaker 6: joining us. Brian Callahan, in my mind as humble a

528
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Speaker 6: guy as I've ever known. I mean, he passes credit

529
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Speaker 6: on to everybody else. Collaboration is his buzzword. It's what

530
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Speaker 6: he's all about. Is that what he's presenting to the

531
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Speaker 6: organization down there.

532
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Speaker 5: Definitely. First of all, Big Dave, great to talk to you,

533
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Speaker 5: as always, But second of all, that's a big reason

534
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Speaker 5: why he got hired. You know, Amy Adams Strunk, the

535
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 5: owner of the Tennessee Titans, wants collaboration, you know, between

536
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Speaker 5: front office, general manager, head coach, coaching staff. That's a

537
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 5: big reason why when she let you know, Mike rabil go,

538
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 5: she elevated Ran Carthon not only the general manager, but

539
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Speaker 5: to vice president and general manager. He is in charge

540
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,959
Speaker 5: of the putting the roster together, putting the coaching staff together.

541
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Speaker 5: And the idea is for just what you said, collaboration.

542
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 5: You know, everybody in tune with one of another, everybody

543
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 5: on the same page. That wasn't necessarily the case when

544
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Speaker 5: Prabel was here. So but you're right, Brian Callahan is

545
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 5: a humble guy, and you can tell you know he

546
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 5: wants to be successful. I mean, he's dave. He's been

547
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 5: wearing these losses after these games, I mean a couple

548
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 5: of times almost coming to tiers and you can feel it.

549
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Speaker 5: It's eating away at him. He wants to be successful,

550
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 5: he wants to win, he wants to win now and

551
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Speaker 5: so but yeah, I will say this from a media standpoint,

552
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 5: dealing with him is one hundred and eighty degrees different

553
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 5: than dealing with Mike Rabel and it's it's been pretty cool.

554
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Speaker 5: I like Brian a lot. I mean, he comes across

555
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Speaker 5: as a very very likable guy, a good dude, wants

556
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Speaker 5: to win, wants to be successful, and you know, I

557
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Speaker 5: know I'm supposed to be objective as a media guy,

558
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Speaker 5: but I don't mind saying I am pulling for him

559
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Speaker 5: and I'm rooting for him big time.

560
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Speaker 1: We feel the same way about Brian Callahan. John Burton

561
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Speaker 1: is our guest. Let's talk about Will Levis, the former

562
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Speaker 1: Kentucky Wildcat quarterback three and six is a starter last

563
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Speaker 1: year two and eight so far this year five and fourteen. Overall,

564
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Speaker 1: have the Titans seen enough of Will Levis to know

565
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Speaker 1: if he is their quarterback going forward?

566
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Speaker 5: I think Dan. They've seen enough to know that he'll

567
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Speaker 5: get another year to prove that he can be the

568
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Speaker 5: franchise quarterback, right, I mean a lot of you know,

569
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Speaker 5: he had a lot to learn this year. New head coach,

570
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 5: new offensive system, new weapons, and new personnel. It's been

571
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Speaker 5: a struggle for him at times. You know, the offensive

572
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 5: line hasn't helped him. He's been sacked and hit a bunch.

573
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Speaker 5: He's been already injured a couple of times. He's missed

574
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Speaker 5: some time due to injury. But the good news is,

575
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Speaker 5: you know, the turnovers are down. The boneheaded mistakes that

576
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Speaker 5: he made at the beginning of the year, in the

577
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 5: first couple of games, he was good for one a game,

578
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Speaker 5: those have diminished a little bit. The biggest thing with

579
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Speaker 5: him is decision making and consistency. You know, last week

580
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 5: and the loss of the Jaguars, you know, the Titans

581
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 5: were zero for two in the red zone against the really,

582
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 5: really bad Jaguars team and defense, and you know, there

583
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 5: was one particular play that everybody's talking about. You know,

584
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 5: Callahan decides to go forward on fourth down and he

585
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 5: had a wide open chigacon Quo the tight end in

586
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Speaker 5: the end zone on one of those stack plays where

587
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 5: you've got a you know, receiver shallow and a receiver deep.

588
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 5: He went for the deep option UH in the back

589
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 5: of the end zone and it was broken up by

590
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Speaker 5: a defensive back. So you know, good quarterbacks don't miss

591
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 5: wide open receivers and so he's got to improve in

592
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 5: that area. But you know, Callahan has always talked about

593
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Speaker 5: he likes will Levis's work ethic. He likes the fact

594
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Speaker 5: that he's coachable. He likes the fact that, you know,

595
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 5: he's willing to take whatever constructive criticism there is and

596
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 5: get better. So I think are they one hundred percent

597
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 5: convinced that he is their long term franchise quarterback. I

598
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 5: think the answer to that question is no. But have

599
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 5: they seen enough to give him another shot at it

600
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 5: next year? I would say the answer is yes.

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Speaker 6: You mentioned turnovers, John, and you know, I'm looking at UH.

602
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 6: I'm looking at the Tennessee Titans defense numbers. I'm like, God,

603
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Speaker 6: their top ten and every top five and a lot

604
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 6: of things, and yet they they're thirtieth in points allowed.

605
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Speaker 6: You know, it's like twenty seventh in points allowed, thirtieth

606
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Speaker 6: and points scored twenty seventh in points A lot how

607
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 6: do they give up all these points? Then you see

608
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Speaker 6: minus eleven in the turnover department, tied for thirty teen

609
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Speaker 6: NFL three pick sixes, and teams have scored eighty nine

610
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Speaker 6: points off of those turnovers. So some of those have

611
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 6: been short fields. You know that teams were able to,

612
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 6: you know, negotiate fairly easily. Is there any finger pointing

613
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 6: going on between offensive and defensive players as a result

614
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 6: of some of that.

615
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you what. Last week was tough. You know,

616
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Speaker 5: walking into the locker room after that loss to the Jaguars,

617
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Speaker 5: there seemed to be a couple of defensive players pretty

618
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Speaker 5: disgrundled at how inep the offense was last week. And

619
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Speaker 5: you know, Jeffrey Simmons, the great All Pro defensive tackle,

620
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 5: was you know, saying during his postgame media availability, He's

621
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Speaker 5: basically was like, you know what, I'm tired of seeing

622
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Speaker 5: our quarterback getting laid out and crawling around on the ground.

623
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Speaker 5: And there are a couple of defensive players that seem to,

624
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Speaker 5: you know, voice their opinions about how well or how

625
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 5: well poorly the offense played. They didn't say anything publicly,

626
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 5: but you could just get a feel being in the

627
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Speaker 5: locker room. So I think there is a little bit

628
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 5: of that going on, and you know it's gonna be

629
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Speaker 5: up to Callahan and his staff to quell that. But

630
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Speaker 5: you know, once cooler heads prevailed, we're in the locker

631
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Speaker 5: room today. Everybody was singing the same tune. Hey, you

632
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 5: know we're gonna finish strong. We're gonna finish the season strong.

633
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 5: We win as a team, we lose as a team.

634
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Speaker 5: But you know it's human nature, right guys. You know

635
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 5: you're playing your butt off on defense and the offense

636
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 5: can't cash in against really a team that they shouldn't

637
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 5: have had much problems with, yeah, in the Jacksonville Jaguars.

638
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 5: So you know that's gonna happen from time to time.

639
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 5: But the one thing, you know, we talk about Brian

640
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 5: Callahan and all these all the situations going on with

641
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 5: the record and how bad the season's been, I don't

642
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 5: get the sense that these players are quitting on Cali

643
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 5: at all. I mean, as an example, I'm a New

644
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 5: York Giants fan, and I feel like those players are

645
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 5: quitting on Brian Dable right now, and it's not a

646
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 5: good situation. I don't get that sense.

647
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Speaker 1: Here a couple more questions for our friend John Burton.

648
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the punter Ryan Stenhouse.

649
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: He's fourth in the NFL and average, he's thirtieth in net.

650
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: They're giving up a ton of punt return yardage. What's

651
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Speaker 1: the deal there?

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Speaker 5: Special teams has been into absolute disaster this year. Guys,

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Speaker 5: you're right, you know they're giving up a ton of

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Speaker 5: return yardage. You know, Ryan Stonehouse is one of the

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Speaker 5: better punters in terms of placing the ball, in terms

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Speaker 5: of getting your own when you need a long punt,

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Speaker 5: if you're deep in your own end, he can provide it.

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Speaker 5: But the tackling has been poor on the returns. The

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Speaker 5: angles have been poor on the returns, and both kickoff

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Speaker 5: and punt. You know, they've had punts blocked for touchdowns.

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Speaker 5: They've had all kinds of mishaps on special teams. And

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Speaker 5: you know, Colt Anderson is a special teams coach, and

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Speaker 5: you know, you guys know how this business is. I'm

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Speaker 5: hoping he's renting and he didn't buy property here in

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Speaker 5: Nashville because he may not be here much longer. But

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Speaker 5: bad tackling bad, and unfortunately, if you look back at

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Speaker 5: the Lions game, it just didn't look like the effort

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Speaker 5: was there, and so that's a problem. And that's that's

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Speaker 5: been a problem all season for the Titans. Just bad

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Speaker 5: special teams all around. Nick Folk those at forty one

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Speaker 5: years old, but still pretty good kicker though, we got

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Speaker 5: that going for us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, Honey went out of twenty two. He's

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Speaker 1: as good as anybody in the league.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and uh, I mean in the last couple of years,

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Speaker 6: what he's fifty out of fifty two is a Titan.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the dude doesn't miss. It's crazy. But you

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Speaker 6: talked about bad angles, bad tackling. I thought you were

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Speaker 6: going to talk about the Bengals defensive football team. That's

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Speaker 6: what deepened. I mean, it's like you got to be

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Speaker 6: kidneying on special teams. There must be something in some

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Speaker 6: kind of disease or virus that's going around the league.

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Speaker 6: My final question for him, appreciate you as always, John.

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Speaker 6: You've been a plethrough of info.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 6: Nine times in the red zone the Titans have come

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Speaker 6: away without a point, no scores, and I can understand.

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Speaker 6: And Brian Callahan, he's aggressive by nature and that guarder

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Speaker 6: he's probably looking at how the season's unfolding you think

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Speaker 6: that will continue?

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Speaker 5: Is it?

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Speaker 6: Like, you know, why the hell now, why don't we

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Speaker 6: just get after it and go forward in the road zone.

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Speaker 6: Do you think that that type of mindset will continue?

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Speaker 5: I think so, Dave, But I think, you know, Cally

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Speaker 5: spoke about it today, just the fact that, you know what,

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Speaker 5: I need to take a better look at how we're

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Speaker 5: approaching the red zone because you know, you look at

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Speaker 5: the two instances last week where they came up empty

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Speaker 5: in the red zone. They were running the ball extremely well.

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Speaker 5: Tony Pollard's having a really solid year. Yea tightened in

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Speaker 5: his first year here, the former Cowboys running back. You know,

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Speaker 5: he's probably going to get a thousand yards when it's

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Speaker 5: all said and done. And you know, Cally kind of admitted,

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Speaker 5: you know, there are times where maybe I'm too aggressive.

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Speaker 5: You know, we have goal to go. Maybe I need

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Speaker 5: to run the ball a little bit more so. It's

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Speaker 5: all part of the learning process for a new head coach.

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Speaker 5: But hey, listen, four games left. You want to try

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Speaker 5: to win as many as you can. I definitely expect

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Speaker 5: Brian Callahan to be aggressive in terms of, hey, it's

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Speaker 5: fourth down, let's go for it, Let's try to get it,

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Speaker 5: you know, get it in the end zone, especial, you know,

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Speaker 5: with a home game, one of two home games left,

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Speaker 5: and you want to try to send the home crowd

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Speaker 5: happy as best you can. So I think he'll be aggressive,

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Speaker 5: but I think he'll try to be a little bit

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Speaker 5: smarter and more selective about the types of plays that

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Speaker 5: he calls, especially when they get in the high red zone,

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Speaker 5: right guys, you know, inside the five yard line, etc.

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Speaker 1: John and I made up the sports team at WTVHTV

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Speaker 1: in Syracuse, New York many years ago, and he is

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Speaker 1: one of my all time favorite people in this business.

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