WEBVTT - Video Stores II

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<v Speaker 1>Ephemeral as a protection of My Heart Radio. Last episode,

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<v Speaker 1>we trace the rise and fall of the video rental

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<v Speaker 1>store with Dan Herbert, a professor of media studies at

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Michigan and author of the book Video

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<v Speaker 1>Land Movie Culture at the American Video Store. Today, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to take our own field trip to an independent

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<v Speaker 1>video store that, despite the ever changing media market, has

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<v Speaker 1>continued to thrive in its local community. Later, the Ephemeral

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<v Speaker 1>team will chat with two of our favorite podcast hosts,

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren Vogelbaum and any Reese of the podcast Saver about

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<v Speaker 1>some of our best video store memories. But first, a

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<v Speaker 1>few more words from Dan on the ephemeral experience of

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<v Speaker 1>selecting a movie from a wall of titles. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that I think was awesome about video stores

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<v Speaker 1>is that they put things into shelves and aisles, and

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<v Speaker 1>that those shelves and aisles had a logic that spatialized

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of notions about taste and value related to movies.

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<v Speaker 1>What I mean by that is that they put labels

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<v Speaker 1>on them, like action or adventure, or romance or horror.

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<v Speaker 1>Different stores created these categories to lump movies together, and

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<v Speaker 1>they put that into a physical space or there was

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<v Speaker 1>a physical space associated with that category, just the same

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<v Speaker 1>way you walk down an aisle in a grocery store

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, oh, this is the space with baby

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<v Speaker 1>food and baby diapers, and now there's pet toys. What's

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<v Speaker 1>that about. I just think that, like, retail spaces are

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting in general, and video stores were interesting because

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<v Speaker 1>of the way they plumped things together that the corporate

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<v Speaker 1>stores like Hollywood in Blockbuster. Generally, those stores put things

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<v Speaker 1>into very broad, generic categories because those stores were really

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<v Speaker 1>driven by new releases, so the biggest section of the

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<v Speaker 1>store was not based on a genre or a commonality

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<v Speaker 1>among the movies, but rather the temporality of the release.

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<v Speaker 1>The kind of broad categories found at a corporate store

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<v Speaker 1>imply a kind of openness and a kind of democratic

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<v Speaker 1>attitude toward individual taste. That you didn't have to know

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<v Speaker 1>much about a movie, or about the history of movies,

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<v Speaker 1>or about film art or aesthetics to figure out where

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<v Speaker 1>you should be in the store to get what you want.

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<v Speaker 1>And then with independence stores you find all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>quirky categories. Sometimes these are kind of because the person

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<v Speaker 1>is educated about film history and film art. Sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 1>just because there was like a quirky video store owner. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So like various small town stores had these great sections

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<v Speaker 1>like movies with people with mustaches or like bald in

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<v Speaker 1>times days movies, so like a subcategory of romances. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Whereas the corporate store had everything in these big umbrellas.

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<v Speaker 1>The independent stores generally find more sections and more kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fine grained criteria for putting movies together. And then

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<v Speaker 1>there's those stories that really went to town being very

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<v Speaker 1>particular about why some movies were in some sections. And

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<v Speaker 1>they have tons and tons of sections, so it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just a matter of putting things into like documentary, but

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<v Speaker 1>you have sub sections for historical documentary, political documentary, concert films,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. And then foreign films might be divided by country,

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<v Speaker 1>by director, or by both. Right, those kinds of stores

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<v Speaker 1>display in physical space a kind of more formally educated

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<v Speaker 1>approach toward film, not necessarily a better education, just a

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<v Speaker 1>more formally trained It's like, oh, somehow we should all

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<v Speaker 1>think about where a movie came from, what country, and

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<v Speaker 1>we should all think about what director. That isn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>the case, but if you've been to film school, that

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<v Speaker 1>is the case. So those stores are a little i

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<v Speaker 1>would say, less democratic, because you can't navigate those spaces

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<v Speaker 1>unless you know one that directors matter and that countries matter,

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<v Speaker 1>and two you have to kind of have a more

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<v Speaker 1>kind of intellectual rather than emotional approach towards selection, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>that it's like, Okay, if I want to feel scared

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<v Speaker 1>at eight thirty PM, that might mean me actually going

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<v Speaker 1>to the documentary section or getting something by Louis Bunuell.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the three categories. Is like the corporate store

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<v Speaker 1>with its bland, general, emotion driven generic categories, the indie

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<v Speaker 1>stores that were often quirky and had more sections, and

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<v Speaker 1>those sections often revealed kind of the odd ball thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of the individual owners. And then there's those specialty stores

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<v Speaker 1>that really did organize things according to a very kind

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<v Speaker 1>of formal and formally edging hated approach toward film history

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<v Speaker 1>and film art. But everything came to a head at

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<v Speaker 1>the checkout counter. Rather than appearing like a movie concession stand,

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<v Speaker 1>early video store checkout counters like look like hardware repair shops,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's really what they were doing, is they were

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<v Speaker 1>they were renting these tapes and these VCRs with three

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<v Speaker 1>paid rentles from Blockbuster Video, get a free to linear

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<v Speaker 1>bottle of diet Coca Cola, and then you have Blockbuster

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<v Speaker 1>and other stores like that really did transform the checkout

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<v Speaker 1>counter into a movie concession stand. So you weren't just

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<v Speaker 1>getting the movie, but you know all of the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of things that we attached to movie consumption from movie theaters,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, candy, soda, whatever, things like that. The checkout

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<v Speaker 1>counter is this kind of amazing space in general because

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<v Speaker 1>all of that contemplation, wandering, browsing, selecting, discussing, all that

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<v Speaker 1>gets kind of condensed down to this business transaction at

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<v Speaker 1>the counter. Right, So on the one hand, there's the clerk,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe the clerk is somebody that you would talk

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<v Speaker 1>to and make recommendations back and forth. Maybe the clerk

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<v Speaker 1>isn't that kind of person. But in the end, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a business transaction. It can be fraud because it is

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<v Speaker 1>a business transaction, like do I have late fees? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like the number of times people are surprised by having

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<v Speaker 1>late fees or feigned surprised by having late fees like

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, I had no idea, And then the bizarre

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<v Speaker 1>negotiation that would happen between the clerk and the customer

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<v Speaker 1>of like, well, you owe thirty bucks, but I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you know I can. I can let you off for fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, what do you mean you're gonna let me off?

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<v Speaker 1>You're not a cop? And who determined like the value

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<v Speaker 1>of a late movie anyway, Like there's no fixed price

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<v Speaker 1>on on latenus. I mean there is at the store,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's still such a strangely ephemeral or bendable kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing here in Atlanta to We're fortunate to have

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<v Speaker 1>Video Drone, a rental house that's continuously operated since. Videodrome

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<v Speaker 1>exemplifies much of what Dan values about the in store

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<v Speaker 1>rental experience. It's a place that has something to offer

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<v Speaker 1>anyone that walks through its doors, and has been able

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<v Speaker 1>to adapt to two decades of change, including weathering a

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<v Speaker 1>global pandemic. Inside, you'll find a vibrant culture of people

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<v Speaker 1>from all walks of life seeking out about film, with

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<v Speaker 1>stacks of DVDs in their arms. Owner Matt Booth and

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<v Speaker 1>the proprietors of Videodrome were gracious enough to invite us

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<v Speaker 1>to chat about their history, take a look around, and

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<v Speaker 1>point microphones at unsuspecting customers. I'd like to just collect

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<v Speaker 1>and watch as much as I can, especially during quarantine,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot of stuff that isn't online, and

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<v Speaker 1>video Drome has been like the only source I could

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<v Speaker 1>find for so much stuff. There's this myth that like

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<v Speaker 1>in the age of the Internet, like you have access

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<v Speaker 1>to everything, but it's not. It's just somewhere between thirty

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<v Speaker 1>and forty thousand movies. And like if you take Netflix, Hulu,

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon and combine their entire just film libraries, not counting

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<v Speaker 1>the television, I think it edges out to like nine

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<v Speaker 1>or ten thousand. My name is Ian Deaton. I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>low budget film composer, and I also work part time

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<v Speaker 1>a video drme, drabbing things off the shop that we

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<v Speaker 1>would have never found. Especially I'm like a big like

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<v Speaker 1>horror and exploitation fan, and that's probably one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most like lost genres of film. Like you could probably

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<v Speaker 1>find like things that are considered like classics, but like

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<v Speaker 1>you can't find most of them unless you like either

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<v Speaker 1>buy a physical copy from someone for like a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>dollars or just come here. You know that amped up

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<v Speaker 1>a lot during quarantine. I moved back to Atlanta from

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<v Speaker 1>Athens in now would come probably like twice a month

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<v Speaker 1>whenever I could get down here, like I would try

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<v Speaker 1>to just like walk around at least brows because I've

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<v Speaker 1>never seen something so detailed and cataloged. It was enthralling.

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<v Speaker 1>Any kind of physical storefront in like this era is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like practicing a traditional routine in a weird way,

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<v Speaker 1>especially something like a video store. It's like a reflection

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<v Speaker 1>of something maybe people associate with the past, but like

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<v Speaker 1>actually has a lot of usefulness. It's just fun. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like and then the conversations you have, you know, it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing I'll say is that coming over here and

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<v Speaker 1>just being able to talk with some of the staff

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<v Speaker 1>while I like brows has been a welcomed human interaction,

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<v Speaker 1>just like being inside all the time. It's like around people,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like but it's just so relaxed and like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even the number one fan in my friend group.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Dan Clifford. He paid someone to do an embroidery

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<v Speaker 1>of their low Go for a Christmas president room sweet Drome.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, he'll probably come in today, usually comes

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<v Speaker 1>in on Friday. So I think the most important thing

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<v Speaker 1>is curators, like because that's what this story is even

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<v Speaker 1>though it's there's an insane amount of films and television

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<v Speaker 1>shows in here, Matt and everybody else that works here,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's kind of like a collective, we really try

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<v Speaker 1>to curate this stuff. That's one of the reasons why

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<v Speaker 1>it's split into all these crazy sections and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>All of us that work here have Hulu and Net.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like we're opposed to that. We want to

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<v Speaker 1>see the films, however, then we can get our grubby

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<v Speaker 1>little hands on it, and this just happens to be

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<v Speaker 1>the most direct way to do it. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>times you get weird information you didn't know before that

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<v Speaker 1>you're not necessarily Like if you pull up Rolling Thunder

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<v Speaker 1>on Netflix, it's not going to tell you that Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Trader was unemployed for six months and an alcoholic and

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<v Speaker 1>almost got kicked out of his house and got fired

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<v Speaker 1>by Pauline while he was writing the movie. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>why it's so you know what I'm saying, like, don't

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<v Speaker 1>learn stuff like that. And we also have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people that work part time on and off in

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<v Speaker 1>the film industry that work here, like Tommy has done

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<v Speaker 1>construction on sets, Donnie barely comes here anymore because he's

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<v Speaker 1>a full time editor on television shows and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I worked as a p A and a camera p

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<v Speaker 1>A for like years until it bashed my childhood dreams

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<v Speaker 1>into nothing and I had to run away screaming to

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<v Speaker 1>this wonderful place where movies are real. And yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's other stories too, but but it's nice because we

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<v Speaker 1>get to like kind of bring that kind of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>into the store to talk to the customs about. And

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<v Speaker 1>most importantly, everybody, I think most of the people that

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<v Speaker 1>will actually sit and talk to you have a basic

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<v Speaker 1>love of cinema and most importantly storytelling. It's extremely important

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<v Speaker 1>to all cultures and always has been. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>look back, there's even examples in like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say thousands or twelve hundred in the

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<v Speaker 1>Middle East where they were doing projected plays with candlelight

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<v Speaker 1>and like stuff like that, like literally proto cinema, like

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<v Speaker 1>a long time ago. And it's like it's obvious that

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<v Speaker 1>this ritual of human beings sitting around some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>white to tell them a story, whether that's a someone

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<v Speaker 1>speaking or behind a screen or on the stage or

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<v Speaker 1>what you know, it's like it just keeps coming up

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<v Speaker 1>over and over again. We can't seem to shake that

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<v Speaker 1>mode of people sitting around telling us something about ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's I'm going way out there, but but

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<v Speaker 1>but still it is important. And I've recognized that so

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<v Speaker 1>many times working here, I'm like, where is the common

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<v Speaker 1>denominator between all this? And it's like, oh, yeah, when

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<v Speaker 1>I was five and my grandpa tells me a creepy

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<v Speaker 1>story about when he thought he saw a UFO, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>standing in front of the fire, it's literally the same

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. I just loved DVDs. I know it's silly

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody's gone to streaming and all this other kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff, But to me, this is like opening a book,

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<v Speaker 1>holding a book in your hand. You're you've got the

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<v Speaker 1>DVD and it's I don't know, it's just something special,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. Then everything else, it's truly

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<v Speaker 1>stringing string passion. And besides, these guys are fantastic. They

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<v Speaker 1>know every movie ever made, every everything. If there's anything

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<v Speaker 1>you want to know, I mean, they know it so

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<v Speaker 1>and to me that just means a lot. I come

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<v Speaker 1>once a week, truly, because I don't always know what

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<v Speaker 1>I want to watch me be able to browse the

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<v Speaker 1>shelves is exciting and honestly, talking to these guys are

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<v Speaker 1>always recommended me something that somebody who thinks that I

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<v Speaker 1>know a lot about movies, then you come here and

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<v Speaker 1>you realize you know, the diverse uh stuff that they

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<v Speaker 1>know about and recommend is just it just makes it

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<v Speaker 1>better than than any other options, you know, streaming or otherwise.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm Dan, Dan, your reputation preceded you. They were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about you before you got That's very cool. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very excited about that. I've been coming here for a year.

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<v Speaker 1>On a is my one year anniversary of coming here

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<v Speaker 1>every week. Because they gave him a rental history a

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<v Speaker 1>while back and I was like, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>find out what the like the exact day is. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the best story in the damn world. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>the only space sale on myself to go to. I

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<v Speaker 1>really don't like algorithms is one part of it, but

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<v Speaker 1>like this store. What's great about it is like they'll

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<v Speaker 1>give you off the wall recommendations about something that you'll

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<v Speaker 1>never even think to look for. You can dig really

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<v Speaker 1>deep in an obscure sub genre in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>you can't even via streaming, Like we watched fifty three

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<v Speaker 1>Hong Kong movies this summer or something. We were able

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<v Speaker 1>to because of these guys. You know, they know that

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<v Speaker 1>Hong Kong section is a legendary. It's just the the

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<v Speaker 1>ability to like drill down into a sub genre or

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<v Speaker 1>get something completely random that generally speaking isn't on streaming.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the knowledge base of like what like twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years of collecting is unparalleled. It's hard for me to

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<v Speaker 1>put into word, frankly, how much I like this place.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I want to point out, because the microphone doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>capture this, that you're wearing a video drum mask. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not wearing one video drumask. I'm wearing two and

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<v Speaker 1>the Ladies snowblood shirt. I figure I look like the

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<v Speaker 1>picture of the client going a cassette tape earring too.

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<v Speaker 1>It just it all tracks. I'm well, And you've been

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<v Speaker 1>coming here for what like the last year, You've been

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<v Speaker 1>coming longer I've been coming before, Like we had our

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much day to day ritual. Um, yeah, probably about

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<v Speaker 1>two or three years now. Yeah. Yeah, there's a Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>video on Highway forty one. Thought we would go to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was pretty big. It's now an auto zone. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's much more exciting. Yeah, and then there was like

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<v Speaker 1>a really strange I feel like I just remember the

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<v Speaker 1>smell where it wasn't it doesn't smell like mothballs would

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<v Speaker 1>have just smelled very like dingy. And that one was

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<v Speaker 1>closer to us, but we didn't go there as often.

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<v Speaker 1>It was as much smaller, but I don't remember the

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<v Speaker 1>name of it. I think it was just like independently owned.

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<v Speaker 1>I also went to school in Athens, so I went

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<v Speaker 1>to Vision Video and Athen's a bunch and that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like that's howaing what got me into watching movies

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<v Speaker 1>was going to Vision Video. What are you gonna rent today?

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<v Speaker 1>You have any idea? No? No, That's why I came

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<v Speaker 1>in here all excited. Cond there's unlimited possibilities. So far.

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<v Speaker 1>I have Night of the Demon from seven haven't seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very excited. And then recommendation from him was Rolling Thunder,

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Schrader. I love Paul Schrader. Mishima first reformed. He

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<v Speaker 1>wrote Taxi driver, you know, and Flash Gordon smooth talk.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of stuff that I haven't seen that I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I should have seen already mixed with a

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<v Speaker 1>new release let him Go, because I'll admit to me

0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:34.840
<v Speaker 1>and like Kevin Costner fanboy, we're looking for something very doom,

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<v Speaker 1>so we might get Freddie Got Fingered or Encino Man

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<v Speaker 1>because we just got vaccinated, so we're trying to watch

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<v Speaker 1>something as stupid as possible. Today, I'm actually buying a

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<v Speaker 1>VHS tapes are producer Tremor. I found a lovely copy

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<v Speaker 1>of Pink Floyds at the wall. Dude, I've seen that.

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<v Speaker 1>Just my dad has an Yeah, I could not pass

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<v Speaker 1>at up. How do you pick something? I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>just divine it. You hear about stuff naturally. It just

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<v Speaker 1>just like advertisments and everything else. But a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>times this can't sound silly, but I just walked in

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever jumps out at me, and usually that's better

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<v Speaker 1>than what I had heard or planned on getting. To

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<v Speaker 1>begin with, my name is Matt Booth. I'm known or

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<v Speaker 1>video drum moved Atlanta, n I kind of worked in

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<v Speaker 1>video stores on and off in high school, and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really have a lot of job opportunities after college,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just started picking up shifts at a video

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<v Speaker 1>store that at that time it was called Video Update,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was at real Mall, which is doesn't exist anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a kind job where people came and go

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, so if you just showed up on time,

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<v Speaker 1>you became the manager pretty quickly. And I got moved

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<v Speaker 1>over to the little Five Points location. I wasn't the

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<v Speaker 1>head person that store, but I was a manager, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just got to know people in the neighborhood and

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<v Speaker 1>realized it was a kind of neighborhood that like people

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<v Speaker 1>were looking for more than just what corporate stores were,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was like the heyday video stores. That was

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<v Speaker 1>like nice six nine seven. They were so common at

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<v Speaker 1>that time. That's the only way people got entertainment on

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<v Speaker 1>Friday and Saturday besides going to the movie, So it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't seem ridiculous to open another video store. I had

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<v Speaker 1>a friend at the time who also worked at the

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<v Speaker 1>Store's name was Jeff Sutton, and we just started looking

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<v Speaker 1>for locations, and we convinced the landlord here too in

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<v Speaker 1>the summer to let us have this space. And we

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<v Speaker 1>took a combination of our own VHS collections and what

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<v Speaker 1>we kind of drove around and scavenged how to do

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<v Speaker 1>amount of money to put some orders in and started

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<v Speaker 1>the store with the maybe like five HS. There's been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of changes in this industry, so we were

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<v Speaker 1>all VHS and we moved to DVD slowly, and now

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<v Speaker 1>we're kind of moving to Blu ray and there's been

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of lost formats in between two. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Blu Ray's working really well. It's a really good Format's

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<v Speaker 1>got tons of great companies played out, really special editions

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<v Speaker 1>of things, perfect restorations. It's a really impressive kind of format.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm hoping it's days. I mean, we've had our

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<v Speaker 1>ups and downs too. I mean, and we started, like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, we were more of like alternative to the

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<v Speaker 1>corporate store, so we were concentrating on the genres. We

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<v Speaker 1>liked Italian horror and Hong Kong movies and anime and like,

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<v Speaker 1>we had new releases, but they were just like the

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<v Speaker 1>indie stuff for the foreign stuff. We didn't mess with

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<v Speaker 1>big Hollywood releases at all. As we became the last

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<v Speaker 1>video store, we've become more mainstream in a way, and

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<v Speaker 1>we get kind of something for everybody. And our selection

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<v Speaker 1>really just evolved with our customer base what they're looking for,

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<v Speaker 1>and with our employees what they're asking for. Our customers

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<v Speaker 1>are really knowledgeable. They fill us in all the time

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<v Speaker 1>on things that if we miss it, they loves, and

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<v Speaker 1>I put a great stock in like personal recommendations. So

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<v Speaker 1>for me sitting around and talking to customers all day

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<v Speaker 1>about what they're watching, what they like, they've turned me

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<v Speaker 1>onto so much stuff. You know, it's not just me

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<v Speaker 1>turning some o the things. We have a new a

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<v Speaker 1>new release Fall and you know that does have new

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<v Speaker 1>movies that you categorize as things that just came out

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<v Speaker 1>on DVD and Blu Ray, and it also has a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of like special releases, special editions of things that

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<v Speaker 1>are new to Blu Ray for the first time, So

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<v Speaker 1>it has a lot of older movies on it, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's the first time they've been on Blue Ray or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And then if you move along the store, we have

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<v Speaker 1>an anime section from Japanese animation to adult swim to

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<v Speaker 1>like theatrical animated features. A TV section over in that corner.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one thing that's really changed since we've been opened.

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<v Speaker 1>TV was terrible when we first started, and now that

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<v Speaker 1>whole genre has gotten better. And then it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>moves into some foreign stuff. We have like a Scandinavian section,

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern European, German, Spanish, South American, Central American, Italian, big

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<v Speaker 1>French section with some of the big French directors carved

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<v Speaker 1>out sort of kids section, and above that there's like

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<v Speaker 1>a young adult section that has like the Harry Potter

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<v Speaker 1>and Star Wars and that kind of stuff too. And

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<v Speaker 1>then when you go around in that corner, they'll be

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<v Speaker 1>like a Japanese section, which is sort of mainstream Japanese movies,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the classic Japanese section that has more like Curasawa,

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<v Speaker 1>and then a bunch of Samurai and kind of Chuza movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Southeast Asia some of the countries that don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of movies, but we have a half a shelf

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<v Speaker 1>or so of each of those. Yeah, yeah, Taiwan is big.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there's a bunch of great Taiwanese films. China with

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<v Speaker 1>big Hong Kong section nineties. Hong Kong cent is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the favorite like genres of our store. So then

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<v Speaker 1>there's some generic kind of comedy, British drama, action, thriller.

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<v Speaker 1>We have an eighty section with a bunch of eighties favorites.

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<v Speaker 1>We call it we keep wanting to a ninety section,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's no room right now. But we're getting to that.

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<v Speaker 1>We only have room for about forty five thousand movies

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<v Speaker 1>in this whole story, and some of that it's multiples

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<v Speaker 1>of certain you know, we might have five copies of

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<v Speaker 1>certain things. So that's actually one of the things we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing now to make more room for Blu Ray. We

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<v Speaker 1>have about seventy rays right now. We're going back pulling

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<v Speaker 1>some DVDs that we had three and four copies of that.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't need three and four DVDs of that anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>dropping down to one or two. We just only have

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<v Speaker 1>the shell space for a certain amount of movies. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's usually anywhere between forty and forty thousand. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to see the stacks are a little type back here, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can see the numbers back here. They go

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere into the thirty thousand. Back here. We have different

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<v Speaker 1>color codes for differ tags for us that we can

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<v Speaker 1>organize it a certain way. It's a labyrinth of shelves basically,

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<v Speaker 1>so we had to add rolling shelves. Um add shelves

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<v Speaker 1>on top of shelves. I don't know. It's just a

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<v Speaker 1>system to get as made distant here as possible. They

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<v Speaker 1>originally built the whole vhs. The newer shelves stock to

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<v Speaker 1>be is big because they hold DVDs and blue rays.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you've just got every title in like a

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<v Speaker 1>generic case with like a serial number you made up

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<v Speaker 1>in the title of the movie, like handwritten on the outside. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not the dewy desibl system. It's basically every movie

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<v Speaker 1>in the order that we got it, essentially that it

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<v Speaker 1>came into the store. Yeah. I when're talking about new movies,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is the desk, that's small desk we used

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<v Speaker 1>to work on stuff. This is the movies that come

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<v Speaker 1>out next week. And you've got your glamorous shout of

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy why so looking over you know he was here

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<v Speaker 1>one time he signed his movie for us. Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is where we've been collecting vhs that we sell. I

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<v Speaker 1>like set up appointments with people coming by vhs sometimes

0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:04.200
<v Speaker 1>or we have it for We've had some vhs like

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<v Speaker 1>events where we've sold vhs at events for us that

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<v Speaker 1>we just want to be a part of the community.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to be part of the film community. We

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<v Speaker 1>like to put on screenings. We have to do events

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<v Speaker 1>at like bars and restaurants. We like to have people

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<v Speaker 1>in the store, and as long as we have customers

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<v Speaker 1>and they're into us, will be here essentially the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, are you for real? Dude? I love

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<v Speaker 1>your podcast just like, wait, holy I was just on Ephemeral,

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<v Speaker 1>but you will be I was literally like two days

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<v Speaker 1>ago looking up to see if y'all were doing new stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, I feel like I just walked on

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<v Speaker 1>the set of a One Car one movie accidentally, or

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<v Speaker 1>some like wow and see, oh man, that's another extremely

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<v Speaker 1>stupid movie. Yeah. In preparation for this pair of episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>we wanted to talk with friends who also came of

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<v Speaker 1>age in the heyday of the American video store. Here,

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<v Speaker 1>Annie Reese of the podcasts Savor and Stuff, Mom Never

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<v Speaker 1>Told You and Lauren Vogelbaum of Saver and brain Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>join Ephemerald producers Trevor Young, Max Williams, and myself for

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<v Speaker 1>a roundtable discussion on growing up with movie stores. First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, and I told some friends of mine that

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<v Speaker 1>we were doing this who were older than me. They

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<v Speaker 1>were like, you don't know video stores? Did you have vhs?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I love that level of like automatic, you're too

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<v Speaker 1>young for that. But my family, we did love movies,

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<v Speaker 1>and my dad especially like he even taught a movie class.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I went to college, once a month he

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<v Speaker 1>would send me a box of movies to watch. And

0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:57.520
<v Speaker 1>when movie stores came out, when I remember going to them.

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<v Speaker 1>First I was elementary school and every Friday we would

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<v Speaker 1>get either pizza or Chinese food. And then I have

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<v Speaker 1>two brothers and we have a very contentious competitive relationship

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:16.399
<v Speaker 1>with each other, and usually one of us got to

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<v Speaker 1>choose the movie. Sometimes it was two and sometimes it

0:25:19.440 --> 0:25:21.320
<v Speaker 1>was a video game. And I grew up in a

0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:24.359
<v Speaker 1>really small town, so there was an option in town

0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:27.600
<v Speaker 1>that was like fifteen minutes away, or there was a Blockbuster,

0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:31.359
<v Speaker 1>which was bigger and had more options thirty minutes away.

0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:33.119
<v Speaker 1>So we usually did that only once a month, and

0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:35.720
<v Speaker 1>we we typically went to the one in town which

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<v Speaker 1>had I love it. It was like a year behind

0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:41.119
<v Speaker 1>and everything, and they only had one copy of everything.

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:45.920
<v Speaker 1>So like you at Blockbuster, in my experience, it would

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 1>have like a copy of the DVD would bring up

0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:51.280
<v Speaker 1>to check out right this place in my town, which

0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember the name of, but it was just

0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:55.280
<v Speaker 1>this really small hole in the wall. You would get

0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:57.920
<v Speaker 1>like these little coins. You'd get them off the wall

0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:01.640
<v Speaker 1>and there's only one for every movie or every video game,

0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 1>and you would take it up to to check it out.

0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:08.200
<v Speaker 1>And it was the most exciting, like competitive, like you'd

0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:10.280
<v Speaker 1>see somebody else going for a movie I don't know

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:14.399
<v Speaker 1>you would go for, especially because everything was a year behind,

0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:18.720
<v Speaker 1>so there were certain titles that were just really in demand.

0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:23.440
<v Speaker 1>And I loved it. I loved the excitement of that

0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:26.800
<v Speaker 1>sitting around on a Friday night with my family and

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:28.920
<v Speaker 1>we would demo lights and we would eat whatever, like

0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:33.080
<v Speaker 1>pizza or Chinese food. And even if I like, for instance,

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:35.760
<v Speaker 1>my older brother loves star check and I was afraid

0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:37.960
<v Speaker 1>of aliens, I think he would always get star check

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 1>movies like even that I would I would let it settle.

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:42.720
<v Speaker 1>I would let him win, and we would try to

0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:47.639
<v Speaker 1>enjoy this experience together. That was very exciting to me

0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:51.200
<v Speaker 1>as a child of like this new movie. I can't go.

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:53.800
<v Speaker 1>We can't afford to go to the movies the theater

0:26:53.880 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 1>all the time, but we can do this and it

0:26:56.240 --> 0:26:59.560
<v Speaker 1>was really special to me. Do you ever like getting

0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:03.080
<v Speaker 1>certain he's a year late and like like to get

0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 1>a I don't know the matrix in like two thousand

0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 1>three or something. I actually have a very specific memory

0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:13.119
<v Speaker 1>of the Matrix. Yes. The funny part is my hometown

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:15.800
<v Speaker 1>also didn't have a movie theater, except they had like

0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 1>a historic theater that was usually used for plays, but

0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:23.040
<v Speaker 1>they also got movies a year late. So it's like

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:26.480
<v Speaker 1>the whole town was kind of isolated in that way.

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:29.920
<v Speaker 1>So if you stayed in the bubble, no one knew

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:32.720
<v Speaker 1>what happened. At the end of the Matrix. I was surprised.

0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 1>I was surprised about what happened in fight Club. But

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 1>once a month we did go to Blockbuster, and that

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:44.399
<v Speaker 1>was that was like the almost the same as I

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 1>don't know, a small town girl goes to big city

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:50.200
<v Speaker 1>or I'd just be like options, options, so big, everything's

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:55.119
<v Speaker 1>new and shiny, what about goodness. My very first video

0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:59.359
<v Speaker 1>store was when I was a tiny child, maybe like

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:03.200
<v Speaker 1>a four to six years old, growing up in Ohio,

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:06.520
<v Speaker 1>up near Cleveland and down the block from my house,

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:09.440
<v Speaker 1>there was this little corner market that I believe was

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:13.400
<v Speaker 1>named Bordon Arrows or Borden Narrows. I was six, um

0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:16.560
<v Speaker 1>and they had a single rack, like one of those

0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 1>little round spinny racks of vhs tapes, and my dad

0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 1>was a relatively early adopter of the home VHS player.

0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 1>I remember he would have gotten one in maybe like

0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 1>eighty six or something like that, you know, so not

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 1>like it was one of the first ones. I remember

0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 1>him specifically showing off the features of rewinding and slow

0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:42.120
<v Speaker 1>forward motion to one of his friends with Indiana Jones

0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 1>and the writers Little Lost Dark, and they were both

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:49.720
<v Speaker 1>like whoa and but so Bordinaros had this like one

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 1>rack VHS tapes and uh. I occasionally would get to

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:58.000
<v Speaker 1>pick one out, and every single time I got Disney's

0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Robin Hood, to the point that mother had to sit

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 1>me down and have a very earnest conversation with me

0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:06.840
<v Speaker 1>about what renting means and about how much it cost.

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 1>And I think that was the end of my reign

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:14.120
<v Speaker 1>of terror with with Robin Hood from Disney and all

0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 1>those sexy sexy foxes. What kind of store was it?

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 1>What was it like kind of like an indie store

0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 1>where there wasn't a lot of selection like any was

0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:24.960
<v Speaker 1>talking about, or it wasn't primarily for for a video. Yeah,

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:28.120
<v Speaker 1>it was this like small corner, grosser market kind of thing.

0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 1>Um that I just remember being so much in that

0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:36.200
<v Speaker 1>color palette of the mid to late eighties where everything

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 1>was kind of like that like rusty brown color, the

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 1>floors where the shelving was the light sort of war.

0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 1>I was always excited because they had like the cool

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 1>bubble gum, like big chew and stuff at the checkout.

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Not that my mom let let me get bubblegum, but

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh man, I could pretend I used

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 1>chewing tobacco, like what like what like why was that

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:58.120
<v Speaker 1>a thing in my brain when I was six years old?

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:02.000
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it was extremely limited selection. I'm not sure

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 1>other than Disney's Robin Hood, what I would have possibly

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:10.800
<v Speaker 1>been interested in at this place. Yeah, it's it reminds

0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:13.000
<v Speaker 1>me and I sometimes forget this. Like they used to

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>have like little video rental stores like you're describing in

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 1>like grocery stores and like gas station Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.320
<v Speaker 1>this one was just a little privately owned place. You know,

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:25.600
<v Speaker 1>you could pick up I don't know, spettios, drag goods,

0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, and yeah, pick out a video tape. Yeah. Actually,

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:32.600
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years ago, I was hiking near like

0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:36.320
<v Speaker 1>an hour away from Atlanta, and I went to an

0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Ingalls and I was delighted that they still had via rental,

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and I was like taking pictures and the people working

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 1>there were like, what's wrong with you? It's a video.

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen this in forever. Yeah. When I when

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 1>I got older, um and we moved to South Florida,

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.600
<v Speaker 1>it was kind of, you know, that early nineties boom

0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 1>of video stores when they were making the transfer over

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 1>into DVD, and so that's when I started going to

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>like a Blockbuster and stuff like that. And Yeah, lots

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 1>of memories similar to what Annie was talking about with

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 1>hair Blockbuster experience, with just you know, like like walking

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 1>in and you get that gust of just pure plastic

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 1>scene in the air, and there's just all the bright

0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 1>and shiny displays everywhere, and they all really want you

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 1>to watch I don't know, Silence of the Lambs or

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is, and they've got nine copies of that

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 1>one DVD. And then I don't know, when you're like

0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 1>a little goth high school weirdo, you just kind of

0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:34.360
<v Speaker 1>like shuffle quietly over to the horror section and look

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 1>through because you couldn't google anything, you know, and so

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 1>it was either what you knew about at the time

0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>or what you could glean from the box art and

0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:48.240
<v Speaker 1>like the fonts and like whatever terrible marketing copy was

0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:50.640
<v Speaker 1>on there, whether or not you really wanted to rent

0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 1>candy Man or whatever it was, Alex your Taron. Well,

0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:57.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe Max and I can tag team because I don't

0:31:57.960 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 1>know if you will know a Max and I are

0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 1>blood brothers. Yeah, were related to If you guys didn't

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 1>pick up on that, I can't even tell the difference

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 1>between you two. So yeah, I mean I think our

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 1>video store experience is probably about the same in our town.

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean that we weren't too limited. I mean we

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 1>had a Blockbuster. We had two Blockbusters and a Hollywood

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 1>video actually, so I don't know what. We had two

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Blockbusters in our house was equidistant between them, you know.

0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I remember in Royal Oak, Michigan, in the town when

0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:33.400
<v Speaker 1>we were real little before we moved down south, going

0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 1>to I don't know what the video store was there.

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 1>It was an indie video store there, but that would

0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:41.200
<v Speaker 1>have been the early nineties, but I remember going there.

0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:45.120
<v Speaker 1>Similar to both of your stories, Max, you gotta tell this,

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 1>aren't you know. I gotta my my You know, my

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:49.719
<v Speaker 1>parents would be like, all right, I actually pick a video, Max,

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 1>you pick a video. Max a little younger than me,

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 1>and Max there was a series of videos than like

0:32:56.360 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 1>thirty minute educational things called Road Construction Ahead. Each episode

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 1>of Road Construction Ahead would focus on like a particular

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 1>like piece of road construction equipment, like the back out

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 1>or the crane or or you know, the bulldozer. And

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:15.480
<v Speaker 1>I remember my parents bargaining with him being like, Max,

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 1>we've seen this, We've seen Road Construction Ahead bulldozer already.

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to watch this cartoon? And he would

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:22.480
<v Speaker 1>be like road Construction Ahead there like do you want

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 1>to watch like this film Road Construction Ahead? And so

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 1>we just rented Road Construction Ahead from Max every single

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 1>time we went, and then eventually my parents bought the

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 1>whole series after they had, you know, sunk their lives

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 1>sexings in to renting from this indy store. Well, that

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:40.719
<v Speaker 1>was the least surprising thing I've encountered today. Yes, uh,

0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm a person that when I really like something,

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I just you know why I change it up. I mean,

0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:48.240
<v Speaker 1>Road Construction Ahead was amazing and I would love to

0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 1>trace it down. But yeah, I mean I was trying

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 1>to think of the name of that video store as well.

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Like I was sitting here because I was gonn to

0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 1>tell that story as well, but I just cannot remember that.

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:01.560
<v Speaker 1>But i'd remember because you know, as Alex said, there

0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:03.959
<v Speaker 1>was two Blockbusters equidistance. And this is by the time

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:07.480
<v Speaker 1>we'd move down here to Atlanta, which I was what six,

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:10.360
<v Speaker 1>and I think Alex was. We were what eight seven

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:13.480
<v Speaker 1>when we moved down here, so we were both pretty young.

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Like one of the Blockbusters, it was like point one

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:20.200
<v Speaker 1>miles closer. That was it. So that's why we went there.

0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 1>But there was one summer was when Alex was getting

0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:26.920
<v Speaker 1>his learners permit. We got a like unlimited pass, so

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:29.239
<v Speaker 1>you can get as many movies as you want from

0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:31.440
<v Speaker 1>that Blockbuster, like you could you have two at a time,

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:33.759
<v Speaker 1>but you can watch him return and watch him return them.

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:37.319
<v Speaker 1>And so we would go like honestly twice a day,

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:40.120
<v Speaker 1>three times a day. Sometimes just we just sit. It

0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 1>was over summer, just watched movies scene day. We watched

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 1>virtually the entire selection, and trying to think of some

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:47.960
<v Speaker 1>of the movies we watched. We watched some terrible movies.

0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:51.280
<v Speaker 1>I remember spending like an afternoon watching a like Stephen

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:54.480
<v Speaker 1>King four hour like marathon movie. And I was like, oh,

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:57.000
<v Speaker 1>it was bright outside, now it's dark. That's how we

0:34:57.080 --> 0:34:59.799
<v Speaker 1>spent our day. That's how we spent our lovely summer day.

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:03.000
<v Speaker 1>It look you know, occasion we get something like really good.

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, I think the coolest part about it

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 1>was by the end of the summer, like everyone, like

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 1>I guess probably the manager there or floor manager whatever,

0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 1>they he knew us and he's like, oh, you guy

0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:14.800
<v Speaker 1>should watch this movie. Kind of similar like how like

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 1>our tip Deal video drum was where it's like, hey,

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 1>to watch this movie, but you know, to a very

0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:21.839
<v Speaker 1>much a lesser extent about it. So obviously I think

0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:23.920
<v Speaker 1>of Roald construction ahead, and I knew Ox would tell

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:27.759
<v Speaker 1>that story because he's my older brother. But yeah, I

0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 1>really think about that that summer. I guess I don't

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:32.799
<v Speaker 1>remember what year it was, but when we literally were

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 1>just at the Blockbuster every day. So the other person

0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:37.360
<v Speaker 1>I would go to the video store with was my

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:41.320
<v Speaker 1>friend Michael, who's been on this show before. And Michael's

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 1>grandparents of Jehovah's witnesses, and his grandfather is an elder

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.880
<v Speaker 1>in the in the Kingdom Hall. And I don't know

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 1>what connection this has, but it had some kind of connection.

0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:54.480
<v Speaker 1>He always had coupons for stuff. He always had so

0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:57.080
<v Speaker 1>many coupons and gift cards that he got through some

0:35:57.280 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 1>connection at his Kingdom Hall. I don't know, I don't

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:02.960
<v Speaker 1>know why. But so he would be like, your kids,

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:06.880
<v Speaker 1>stay out of trouble. Is his papa is his grandfather's name. Uh,

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:09.400
<v Speaker 1>you can stay out of trouble. Go to Red Lobster

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 1>tonight and give us a fifty dollar gift card to

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Red Lobster. And he always had Blockbuster coupons where you

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:17.880
<v Speaker 1>could take a coupon and run a movie with it.

0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:19.880
<v Speaker 1>And so Michael and I would go at least twice

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.880
<v Speaker 1>a week to the Blockbuster the other one in Dunwoody,

0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:25.719
<v Speaker 1>And we didn't know the people in this store there,

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:28.960
<v Speaker 1>and we were little, you know, sixteen year old seventeen

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.320
<v Speaker 1>year old cinema snobs, and we would go there and

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 1>argue about films with with the people behind the counter.

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Between those two that's where I watched all of my

0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:40.359
<v Speaker 1>movies in my formative years. And can I can I ask,

0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:44.360
<v Speaker 1>did y'all want to impress the people at the counters

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:47.360
<v Speaker 1>of these stores or for me? It was kind of

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:51.160
<v Speaker 1>an adversarial relationship, like because like I thought, I was

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:53.839
<v Speaker 1>so much cooler than them, and so like whatever they thought,

0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:55.960
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, well, I'm glad you didn't like

0:36:56.080 --> 0:37:00.120
<v Speaker 1>this woman, But did y'all have the opposite experience? I

0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:03.399
<v Speaker 1>think it was kind of adversarial, to be honest. Yeah,

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe it was different for different guys.

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:08.799
<v Speaker 1>I I wish I remembered them all a little bit more.

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's see, my video store experience growing up was kind

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:15.800
<v Speaker 1>of twofold. So I grew up with split custody between

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:18.279
<v Speaker 1>my mom and dad. My mom was in Austin, which

0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 1>is where I primarily grew up and lived, and then

0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:22.080
<v Speaker 1>I would like visit my dad who lived in Dallas.

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:24.719
<v Speaker 1>So when I went to Dallas, my dad and I

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 1>would get all the chains like Blockbuster. So that was

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of our thing we did when he had custody

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 1>of me every other weekend or whatever it was. And

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:36.440
<v Speaker 1>then in Austin it was a little bit more of

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:40.640
<v Speaker 1>a like cinephile town, I guess, so it was much

0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 1>more of like a cultural institution kind of a thing,

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 1>having a video store nearby, and the big one in

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Austin that we would go to was called I Love Video,

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:52.080
<v Speaker 1>the love part being just being like a heart on

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:55.080
<v Speaker 1>the on the sign, which I'm sure like some people

0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:57.520
<v Speaker 1>have seen before because it's somewhat iconic, I guess, at

0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:01.279
<v Speaker 1>least amongst video store ficionados. So I Love Video was

0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:03.480
<v Speaker 1>like the really cool one that my mom would take

0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:07.040
<v Speaker 1>me to. And there were always people with like green hair,

0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:10.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, and like wearing like hippie off. It's there.

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 1>It was like that kind of place, and it was

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 1>like laid out really cool. There were like toys everywhere,

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 1>like hanging from the ceiling by string, you know, like Godzilla's.

0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 1>It was like neon lit on the inside. It was

0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:24.279
<v Speaker 1>really like just neat, hip place to be. I guess.

0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:27.200
<v Speaker 1>So a lot of my video store experience growing up

0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:30.239
<v Speaker 1>was like also like a cultural ussering. You know. It

0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:34.120
<v Speaker 1>was like, this is Austin culture right here, incarnate in

0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 1>this little store, and if you want to grow up

0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:38.279
<v Speaker 1>to be a true Austinite, you have to like absorb this.

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 1>So I guess in my mind, you know, it was

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:43.920
<v Speaker 1>also kind of a place to find identity, you know,

0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 1>a video store. I can't imagine it's exactly the same

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:50.160
<v Speaker 1>for everybody, but I think everybody at least to some degree,

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:52.399
<v Speaker 1>you can relate to that. You know, like you kind

0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:54.600
<v Speaker 1>of found out who you were a little bit in

0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 1>a video store, whether or not you wanted to. When

0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 1>you got to Atlanta and went into video for the

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:03.480
<v Speaker 1>first time, did it feel a little bit like coming home? Yeah, yeah,

0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:05.480
<v Speaker 1>you could say that. I think Video Drome here in

0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta does a really good job of capturing that same

0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:11.360
<v Speaker 1>energy I was talking about, you know this like like

0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 1>love of movies and like making everything seemed really hip

0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:18.960
<v Speaker 1>and cool around, like seeing and renting movies. I really

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 1>hadn't experienced that, and like I don't know, god, like

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:24.360
<v Speaker 1>ten fifteen years since I lived in Austin, you know,

0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:26.919
<v Speaker 1>when I was a teenager. It was like the last

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:29.040
<v Speaker 1>time I had really felt that. And so when I

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:32.800
<v Speaker 1>came to Atlanta, I like gravitated towards Video Drama immediately.

0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:35.680
<v Speaker 1>I would like start going there regularly. You know. I

0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 1>never thought I'd like go back to like renting movies

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:40.480
<v Speaker 1>from a brick and mortar store, But there was just

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:43.520
<v Speaker 1>so much to love about, like the experience and kind

0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:46.040
<v Speaker 1>of living out this you know, childhood memories and that

0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 1>feeling again that I've been a regular patron ever since Yeah,

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 1>same when when I moved here. I moved here like

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:55.640
<v Speaker 1>fifteen or sixteen years ago now, and so so blockbusters

0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 1>in Hollywood videos and all that were still open, and

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 1>it was still a thing that I would go because

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:02.880
<v Speaker 1>because it was it was like an event night, you know,

0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:04.279
<v Speaker 1>like it would be that would be what you were

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:05.719
<v Speaker 1>doing with the night. You were going to this video

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:07.320
<v Speaker 1>store and renting a movie and taking it home and

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 1>watching it, as opposed to whatever browsing that you do

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 1>these days. But yeah, it felt like it felt like

0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:16.160
<v Speaker 1>a grown up candy store. The first time I went

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:18.480
<v Speaker 1>into Video Drum, Like I just walked in and I was,

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:20.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, like like kind of like just bouncing around

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:22.239
<v Speaker 1>the quarters like I'm in heck and you know, Willy

0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Wonka's chocolate factory. And I turned and there's just a

0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:27.400
<v Speaker 1>whole wall it's as sex and splatter, and I'm like,

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:32.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm home, thank you, thank you forgetting me. Yeah, it's interesting.

0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:33.920
<v Speaker 1>When we did the tour, I think one of the

0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:37.360
<v Speaker 1>things most people really enjoyed about it was like getting

0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:40.880
<v Speaker 1>to have conversation, you know, they're like about movies and

0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:45.560
<v Speaker 1>be around other like minded people about film and cinema

0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:48.200
<v Speaker 1>and just like be able to like hang out there

0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:50.640
<v Speaker 1>for forty five minutes, you know, chit chatting about whatever.

0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I guess. You know, as a kid, I'm sure most

0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:56.319
<v Speaker 1>of us were probably like this too, Like I don't,

0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 1>I guess we didn't really know enough about movies. Like

0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:01.400
<v Speaker 1>I was happy with whatever. You know. It's like Spider

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Man movie was out at the time that like I

0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:05.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't feel they need to like have conversations. But like

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:07.800
<v Speaker 1>when I started coming to video drum as an adult,

0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:11.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, I got to really like discover that discover

0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:13.440
<v Speaker 1>that feeling of like community around film that I, like,

0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:16.200
<v Speaker 1>I guess I never really caught onto as a kid.

0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:17.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, like I kind of felt it was there

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:20.000
<v Speaker 1>for the adults, but it wasn't until I was one

0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:21.920
<v Speaker 1>that I could like do that. And I don't think

0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 1>that would have ever happened if video drum didn't exist,

0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:27.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, can I ask? I've been talking to people

0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:30.279
<v Speaker 1>about videos to as a jog my memory, because I

0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:31.880
<v Speaker 1>think the last time that I was regularly going to

0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 1>a video store, I was like pre seventeen, to be honest,

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:40.759
<v Speaker 1>What were the sections in like a Blockbuster? Oh well,

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I can tell you about mine, please, Okay? So the

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:50.040
<v Speaker 1>way the Blockbuster in Dawsonville, Georgia was set up. You

0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:52.560
<v Speaker 1>still remember like the order that you walked around the shop,

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:57.160
<v Speaker 1>don't you. Oh yeah, well so the key. The key

0:41:57.440 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 1>was if you wanted a like new release, popular movie,

0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:05.520
<v Speaker 1>they were on the outside edges, so you had to

0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 1>go to the back, and they were usually like a

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:11.879
<v Speaker 1>bunch of them, like a whole wall. That's one title, yes,

0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:18.040
<v Speaker 1>and like multiple copies behind the cover. It felt so

0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 1>like such a success, especially for me because we didn't

0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:23.440
<v Speaker 1>go to that place that often. If it was a

0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:26.160
<v Speaker 1>really high in demand movie and it's only like one

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:28.920
<v Speaker 1>copy left, oh gosh, it's the best and maybe you

0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:30.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't even want to see that movie. I think that's

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:34.400
<v Speaker 1>one thing, Lauren, that you touched on that is lost

0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:37.800
<v Speaker 1>perhaps two younger folks who don't have this experience. You

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:40.239
<v Speaker 1>didn't have the internet. It was fun in that way

0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 1>of you know, this movie could be really bad, but

0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna get it, like that Netflix of deciding

0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:47.480
<v Speaker 1>for two hours what you're gonna watch and then you

0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:50.359
<v Speaker 1>don't watch anything that wasn't a thing because you had

0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:53.440
<v Speaker 1>your parents. In my case, my my mom being like

0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:58.320
<v Speaker 1>we have ten minutes get something, and so you just

0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:01.200
<v Speaker 1>had to get something. And then for in the Blockbuster

0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:05.600
<v Speaker 1>where that I went to, it had in the store

0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:09.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a library, like yeah, horror, Action, adventure, romance,

0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:13.040
<v Speaker 1>all those big genre kendy and then usually like one

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:15.640
<v Speaker 1>that was foreign movies, and then one that was like

0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:20.480
<v Speaker 1>in the movies with very small selection. And I did

0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 1>love horror from a very young age. And my form

0:43:24.680 --> 0:43:30.479
<v Speaker 1>of altercation with a Blockbuster people was that me trying

0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:32.480
<v Speaker 1>to convince them not to tell my mom will let

0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:37.600
<v Speaker 1>me rent this rated arm which I sometimes succeeded in

0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:41.840
<v Speaker 1>often I didn't because we did usually rent as a family.

0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 1>So would be like what did you get? And I

0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:46.080
<v Speaker 1>would be like event Horizon, and then there would be

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:51.080
<v Speaker 1>a very long conversation Annie, how many of these movies

0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:54.520
<v Speaker 1>actually gave you such terrible nightmares that like your parents

0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:56.799
<v Speaker 1>were justified and not wanting you to see the film

0:43:56.840 --> 0:44:02.359
<v Speaker 1>in the first place. Very very many, very many. Uh.

0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:05.040
<v Speaker 1>And in fact, one of my one of my earliest memories,

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:07.880
<v Speaker 1>I had snuck in and watched Jurassic Park and I

0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:09.839
<v Speaker 1>had a nightmare about raptors that night, and like woke

0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:11.960
<v Speaker 1>up screaming, and my parts were like why did you

0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:14.880
<v Speaker 1>have a nightmare about raptors? And I was like, no reason,

0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 1>no reason. It came out that I had snuck into

0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 1>the Jurassic Parks. So I have a very long history

0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:24.880
<v Speaker 1>of yeah, pushing the envelope when it comes to that

0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:27.759
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing, and my parents being like, stop it.

0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:32.680
<v Speaker 1>I totally forget about ratings so that you can't just

0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 1>pick up whatever you want. Totally forgot about like our

0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:38.799
<v Speaker 1>rated things when you were a kid, when we were kids. Yeah, man,

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:43.479
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah. I I consistently would like get a horror

0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:45.920
<v Speaker 1>movie that was rated R and try to be like,

0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:49.600
<v Speaker 1>just be cool. Just come on, man, I got the money.

0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:58.279
<v Speaker 1>Any One of the things you talked about that I

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:01.279
<v Speaker 1>also wanted to talk about was the experience of like

0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:04.680
<v Speaker 1>checking out and how like magical and an experience that

0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:07.520
<v Speaker 1>was not only because you're getting this thing, but also

0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 1>because they had so much cool like I don't know,

0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:12.880
<v Speaker 1>merch and stuff, you know, like you had like the

0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 1>candy you had sometimes they had like toys behind the counter,

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:19.440
<v Speaker 1>they had like plushies, you name it, And that was

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:21.480
<v Speaker 1>always a really fun thing for me. I would like

0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:25.319
<v Speaker 1>always get something some sort of candy or what have you. Yeah,

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:28.520
<v Speaker 1>I was always trying to because my parents also were

0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:33.200
<v Speaker 1>very frugal, and I was always after those free movie posters.

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:37.000
<v Speaker 1>If you waited long enough, they would give you, like

0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 1>usually pretty small movie posters. I really campaigned hard for

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 1>cardboard cutouts. I never succeeded in that regard, but occasionally.

0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:50.920
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't big into candy growing up, but there was

0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 1>something about I think the way we frame candy, like

0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:56.920
<v Speaker 1>as a snack around movies in the US, Like even

0:45:56.960 --> 0:46:00.400
<v Speaker 1>if I wasn't, I didn't want it necessarily. I did

0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:04.880
<v Speaker 1>want it, like just the getting it. It was so exciting,

0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:07.880
<v Speaker 1>and so I sometimes me and my brothers would come

0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:10.719
<v Speaker 1>together and usually my older brother also he usually won

0:46:10.800 --> 0:46:13.560
<v Speaker 1>these kinds of things. We would get butter finger babies

0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:16.360
<v Speaker 1>because he loved the Simpsons and they were having that

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 1>whole thing, and so that was like we would form

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 1>an alliance over these butterfinger babies, even if it were

0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:28.399
<v Speaker 1>watching Star Trek. What was the one that really missed

0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:37.560
<v Speaker 1>me up? The one with the yeah Nemesis about to say,

0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:40.879
<v Speaker 1>Tom Hardy right there, this is the moment where Tom

0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:47.880
<v Speaker 1>already plays uh Patrick Stewart's twisty. I blocked that movie

0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:53.640
<v Speaker 1>outlays Picard from the past, but also just the experience

0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:59.040
<v Speaker 1>of getting that movie was exciting, like having that because

0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:02.399
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times I did use my own money

0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:05.279
<v Speaker 1>and I would check it out and just being like

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:08.360
<v Speaker 1>proud of being able to do that, but also excited.

0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:12.360
<v Speaker 1>What's this gonna night gonna be? And what if I

0:47:12.440 --> 0:47:14.320
<v Speaker 1>love this movie as much as I love Hocus Focus

0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:17.840
<v Speaker 1>and it changes my life like that, like the possibilities

0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:19.960
<v Speaker 1>in front of you when you would get a movie.

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:21.920
<v Speaker 1>And I was somebody who love libraries too, and that

0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:25.520
<v Speaker 1>was a very similar experience of like, I'm so excited

0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:31.480
<v Speaker 1>about this that could really really charge my imagination and

0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:34.680
<v Speaker 1>perhaps like change how I view things or some be

0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 1>something that I love potentially. So I just that experience

0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:43.120
<v Speaker 1>on top of the Butterfinger. I'll tell you what I've

0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 1>asked like three friends just about their video store, you know,

0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:49.880
<v Speaker 1>video stores growing up and whatever. And the first thing

0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:52.640
<v Speaker 1>all of them mentioned was the candy. The candy. I

0:47:52.719 --> 0:47:54.840
<v Speaker 1>had forgotten all about it, but there was like candy

0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:59.840
<v Speaker 1>and like very large quantities, like large portions of candy,

0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:02.480
<v Speaker 1>or even if it wasn't large portions, it was in

0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:05.600
<v Speaker 1>like the movie sized boxes. So it seems so. And

0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:08.080
<v Speaker 1>they're all in these like day glow colors, especially in

0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the nineties, and uh and and so bright and big

0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:13.759
<v Speaker 1>and so in your face with the marketing, because I'm

0:48:13.800 --> 0:48:16.560
<v Speaker 1>sure that, like in a movie theater, the up charged

0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:19.759
<v Speaker 1>on those is tremendous um, so it's really worth their

0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:21.919
<v Speaker 1>while to push it on you. I never had any

0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:24.600
<v Speaker 1>pocket money as a kid, so when I would go

0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:27.799
<v Speaker 1>and have a sleepover and have these video store experiences,

0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:30.600
<v Speaker 1>I was never buying candy there, but I could. Usually

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Usually the video stores were in like a shopping center

0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:37.000
<v Speaker 1>with a whatever the shopping store of of the of

0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:40.520
<v Speaker 1>the day was, and I could trick them into being like, hey,

0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:44.000
<v Speaker 1>can we go over to Publix and get some popcorn

0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:47.360
<v Speaker 1>and candy? Yeah? Oh those checkout lanes. That was a

0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:50.400
<v Speaker 1>what what? What a what a gambit of of of

0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:54.120
<v Speaker 1>will willpower? It was terrible. Oh it was a cue too.

0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:57.680
<v Speaker 1>You walk through a que whether or not there was

0:48:57.719 --> 0:48:59.200
<v Speaker 1>anyone in a lot. You couldn't just walk up to

0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the counter. You had to go through a little zigzag

0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:06.480
<v Speaker 1>structure that they had set up with them cordon. Only

0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:12.200
<v Speaker 1>the fanciest in Hollywood video what what did the Blackbuster

0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:15.439
<v Speaker 1>look like, was the carpet blue. I want to say, yeah,

0:49:15.520 --> 0:49:17.959
<v Speaker 1>everything in there was that was that iconic, like blue

0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:20.600
<v Speaker 1>and yellow, those like power colors, like you're in the

0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:24.480
<v Speaker 1>middle of a Superhero title sequence. I remember everything being

0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:26.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of like polka dot carpet, you know, it's like

0:49:26.520 --> 0:49:30.440
<v Speaker 1>that really like flat thin carpet. It's like basically like concrete,

0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:33.360
<v Speaker 1>and it was like kind of like, I don't know,

0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:36.200
<v Speaker 1>weird crazy, like when I think like eighties design like

0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Saved by the Bell, kind of like spotty, squiggily designs

0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:43.600
<v Speaker 1>on the carpet. That's what I remember looking like. Well,

0:49:43.680 --> 0:49:45.640
<v Speaker 1>my the one that was the small one in my

0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:51.239
<v Speaker 1>hometown was really haphazardly put together. It was like imagine

0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:58.200
<v Speaker 1>a really sad linoleum office and just like not very small,

0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:01.560
<v Speaker 1>and the shelves didn't have many options to choose from.

0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:03.960
<v Speaker 1>But I forgot to say, there was an ice cream

0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:07.000
<v Speaker 1>store in the back, so on special days I could

0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:10.000
<v Speaker 1>go back to to talk to Dan and get a

0:50:10.080 --> 0:50:12.440
<v Speaker 1>scoop of ice cream. And that was a good day.

0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:16.680
<v Speaker 1>That was a really good day. My next question for

0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:19.400
<v Speaker 1>the group, it's kind of just when you kind of

0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:22.280
<v Speaker 1>noticed that like video stores are going out of style,

0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:24.840
<v Speaker 1>and if you ever really like consciously thought about it,

0:50:24.960 --> 0:50:28.080
<v Speaker 1>like I never go to video stores anymore, Like were

0:50:28.120 --> 0:50:31.080
<v Speaker 1>you happy to embrace like things like streaming and Netflix?

0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:33.800
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't really lose that much until I don't know,

0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:35.360
<v Speaker 1>you were an adult and had to think about it,

0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:39.360
<v Speaker 1>if that makes sense. Our family was on the Netflix

0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:44.239
<v Speaker 1>DVD rental plan very early. My dad, yeah, was on

0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Netflix right away. I think the actually Blockbuster did the

0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:50.040
<v Speaker 1>disc rent old thing to compete with Netflix early on.

0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:53.640
<v Speaker 1>And then yeah, I left home when I was seventeen

0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:56.719
<v Speaker 1>for college and I went to film school, and so

0:50:57.040 --> 0:51:01.759
<v Speaker 1>I remember having to watch very specific films a lot.

0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:05.279
<v Speaker 1>So I had a Netflix rental to get you know,

0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:09.080
<v Speaker 1>these films that maybe Blockbuster wouldn't carry, and you know

0:51:09.160 --> 0:51:11.719
<v Speaker 1>also like going to the library at school and screenings

0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:15.200
<v Speaker 1>at school. Specifically, that was two thousands seven to two

0:51:15.239 --> 0:51:18.200
<v Speaker 1>thousand eleven. I think that's basically the decline of the

0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:20.920
<v Speaker 1>the video store was like happening when I was in

0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:23.560
<v Speaker 1>film school. Does that does those dates make sense for

0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:29.239
<v Speaker 1>your research? Triver? Yeah? Yes, I think Liketen was kind

0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:32.040
<v Speaker 1>of like when they really started just disappearing, you know,

0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:36.120
<v Speaker 1>when we started seeing headlines of Blockbuster declaring bankruptcy, closing

0:51:36.600 --> 0:51:39.080
<v Speaker 1>tens of thousands of stories, stuff like that. It was

0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:42.880
<v Speaker 1>just I was in my maximum film snobbery at that time,

0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:47.080
<v Speaker 1>only watching foreign films. I wasn't helping anybody, but I

0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:49.640
<v Speaker 1>jump in there. I mean, I feel like my stores

0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:52.680
<v Speaker 1>could kind of slowery. So I left for college two

0:51:52.840 --> 0:51:56.840
<v Speaker 1>years after Alex did. And you know, as I mentioned earlier,

0:51:57.000 --> 0:52:00.200
<v Speaker 1>like my dad learned. Dad is pretty like you know,

0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:05.400
<v Speaker 1>he's you know, pretty fiscally aware, and so he hated Blockbuster.

0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:07.759
<v Speaker 1>He hate like the late charges, he hate like the

0:52:07.840 --> 0:52:10.200
<v Speaker 1>limited things. He thought it was a massive markup. So

0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:15.759
<v Speaker 1>as soon as he could jump ship from Blockbuster, he did. So.

0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:18.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't remember maybe like hanging out some

0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:21.040
<v Speaker 1>friends on like a Friday night or something that would

0:52:21.040 --> 0:52:23.080
<v Speaker 1>go to Blockbuster and good movie, but I don't remember

0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:26.400
<v Speaker 1>really going to Blockbuster. After Alex left for college. I

0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:29.279
<v Speaker 1>remember Blockbuster being the thing still when I was in

0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:31.680
<v Speaker 1>high school. And then you know, by the I was

0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:33.600
<v Speaker 1>like five and Alex and I didn't have a car either,

0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:35.360
<v Speaker 1>so it wasn't like we could just get in a

0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:37.440
<v Speaker 1>car drive to the Blockbuster stuff like that, Like you know,

0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:40.320
<v Speaker 1>every trip to something that had to be calculated and

0:52:40.480 --> 0:52:43.360
<v Speaker 1>figure it out, and it was just kind of like,

0:52:43.440 --> 0:52:45.279
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, there was one day it's like, oh, yeah,

0:52:45.320 --> 0:52:47.920
<v Speaker 1>these things don't exist anymore for me. And I was

0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:50.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of like, I mean, I I liked like the

0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:52.840
<v Speaker 1>independent like movie rental stores are like Blockbuster. It's like

0:52:52.920 --> 0:52:55.719
<v Speaker 1>there was kind of such an evil company that I

0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:58.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't feel bad that they were gone. I mean, just

0:52:58.080 --> 0:52:59.880
<v Speaker 1>to be just to be honest, I was just like,

0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:02.400
<v Speaker 1>good riddance for them. But it kind of set out

0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:04.759
<v Speaker 1>all the rest of them are gone though, So I

0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:08.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know, that's I guess my take on it. Yeah, definitely,

0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the community stores are the ones that probably gotta hit

0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:14.520
<v Speaker 1>the hardest and needed the most help, and most of

0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:17.160
<v Speaker 1>them didn't get it. But you know, I guess frankly,

0:53:17.280 --> 0:53:19.640
<v Speaker 1>there just wasn't much of a market for it, you know,

0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:21.239
<v Speaker 1>so of course they'd be the first ones to go

0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:24.000
<v Speaker 1>for me. I think it kind of the decline kind

0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:28.840
<v Speaker 1>of started with DVDs because we would buy some vhs,

0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:31.560
<v Speaker 1>but for the most part, like vhs, we're like very clunky.

0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:35.160
<v Speaker 1>They were primarily known as like rentals, there were a

0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:38.160
<v Speaker 1>lot more expensive to produce, write a lot of more

0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:42.239
<v Speaker 1>love more materials. So the cell throom market was not

0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:45.440
<v Speaker 1>as as big for vhs, Like you couldn't really go

0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:48.360
<v Speaker 1>to the store and buy vhs. I mean you could sometimes,

0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:50.800
<v Speaker 1>like we had some vhs, but when t v t

0:53:50.920 --> 0:53:53.000
<v Speaker 1>s came out, at least it was like way cheaper

0:53:53.080 --> 0:53:55.160
<v Speaker 1>to buy your own movies. All of a sudden, it

0:53:55.239 --> 0:53:58.320
<v Speaker 1>was like every Christmas, every Birthday, I got like five DVDs,

0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:00.600
<v Speaker 1>you know. It was just like you can get a

0:54:00.719 --> 0:54:03.160
<v Speaker 1>DVD for like ten bucks at Walmart or whatever. And

0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:06.839
<v Speaker 1>so at that point, like the rental system just kind

0:54:06.840 --> 0:54:08.839
<v Speaker 1>of started to collapse. I noticed, like I didn't find

0:54:08.880 --> 0:54:11.719
<v Speaker 1>myself going to rent anything anymore because I could either

0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:14.319
<v Speaker 1>get a disc for super cheap where I could rip

0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:16.759
<v Speaker 1>it off lime wire at that point or something like that.

0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:18.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, like ripping when you had a disk too,

0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:21.600
<v Speaker 1>was like way more sophisticated. So you started to see

0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:23.640
<v Speaker 1>that a lot more too. So in my mind that

0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:26.560
<v Speaker 1>just became the future was like collecting my own physical

0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:29.000
<v Speaker 1>media rather than renting. And that's why I stopped going

0:54:29.040 --> 0:54:32.160
<v Speaker 1>to stories for the most part growing up. Yeah, I

0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:35.880
<v Speaker 1>think similarly, my dad did really love movies, so he

0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:39.560
<v Speaker 1>just started buying a lot of movies. So it became

0:54:39.920 --> 0:54:43.399
<v Speaker 1>we didn't have cable, we didn't have TV, we didn't

0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:46.080
<v Speaker 1>have working internet. They didn't get all that stuff until

0:54:46.120 --> 0:54:48.720
<v Speaker 1>I moved out and went to college, which still bothers

0:54:48.800 --> 0:54:51.160
<v Speaker 1>me to this day, but that's just how things work. Sometimes.

0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:54.560
<v Speaker 1>We kind of, or at least my dad's case, like

0:54:54.920 --> 0:54:57.600
<v Speaker 1>we needed media or some kind of entertainment, Like we

0:54:57.640 --> 0:55:00.200
<v Speaker 1>could just be renting something all the time, but we

0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:04.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't have cable or TV, so we would buy movies.

0:55:05.080 --> 0:55:07.239
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like it was also for me when

0:55:07.320 --> 0:55:09.120
<v Speaker 1>DVDs came out in high school. When I was in

0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:12.560
<v Speaker 1>high school, they became more ubiquitous. And then when I

0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:16.840
<v Speaker 1>went to college, I did. My roommate um also loved movies,

0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:19.279
<v Speaker 1>and she had this goal to watch the top one

0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:23.200
<v Speaker 1>a f I movies, and so we would rent movies

0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:28.160
<v Speaker 1>every week from the library and we did that throughout college.

0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:34.480
<v Speaker 1>But that was probably the last time I've regularly rented movies.

0:55:34.719 --> 0:55:36.680
<v Speaker 1>And it was lovely. I mean, I there's something about

0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:39.319
<v Speaker 1>the experience, especially because of the library was free, where

0:55:39.360 --> 0:55:40.920
<v Speaker 1>you just be like, yeah, let's get that. I don't

0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:42.640
<v Speaker 1>know what this is, let's get it. Let's try it

0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:46.600
<v Speaker 1>and having that night together being like, Okay, this wasn't

0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:51.319
<v Speaker 1>really good, but we had fun. Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm

0:55:51.400 --> 0:55:53.640
<v Speaker 1>a I'm a couple of years older than the rest

0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:55.920
<v Speaker 1>of y'all. Um. So I was in college from two

0:55:55.960 --> 0:55:58.479
<v Speaker 1>thousand to two thousand four. UM, So by the time

0:55:59.000 --> 0:56:02.920
<v Speaker 1>video stores were really declining, I was already uh grown

0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:05.680
<v Speaker 1>up twenty something at any rate out in the world.

0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:09.040
<v Speaker 1>And um, some of my friends did have Netflix DVD

0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:14.320
<v Speaker 1>subscriptions at the time. I think my highest rental time

0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:17.920
<v Speaker 1>was during college when some of my friends and I, UM,

0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:21.200
<v Speaker 1>we're starting to get into weird indie films, UM and

0:56:21.360 --> 0:56:24.560
<v Speaker 1>especially weird genre films, and um there were still a

0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:28.040
<v Speaker 1>couple of local places that would rent out these just

0:56:28.280 --> 0:56:34.319
<v Speaker 1>just wonderful, bizarre, uh scandalous, scandalous films UM and uh

0:56:34.920 --> 0:56:39.000
<v Speaker 1>finding those either through these online subscription services or UM

0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:44.480
<v Speaker 1>or uh in these local stores was just just just magical,

0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:48.040
<v Speaker 1>just absolutely like the kind of things that you're you're

0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:51.120
<v Speaker 1>just not even share why and how someone committed this

0:56:51.320 --> 0:56:53.759
<v Speaker 1>object to film and suddenly you get to watch it

0:56:53.840 --> 0:56:56.680
<v Speaker 1>in your house, uh twenty years after it was made.

0:56:56.840 --> 0:57:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Just magic. But I felt the decline line of the

0:57:00.920 --> 0:57:04.360
<v Speaker 1>big box video stores really viscerally because it was again

0:57:04.440 --> 0:57:05.680
<v Speaker 1>like it was a thing that I would go and

0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:08.400
<v Speaker 1>do with my friends and that was an activity that

0:57:08.480 --> 0:57:13.160
<v Speaker 1>was a relatively inexpensive activity for the evening. And I

0:57:13.320 --> 0:57:15.239
<v Speaker 1>was just like, well, but what what am I gonna

0:57:15.600 --> 0:57:17.080
<v Speaker 1>What am I gonna do? Like what am I gonna

0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:19.320
<v Speaker 1>do with Kai? Like what? Like what what are we

0:57:19.360 --> 0:57:22.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna watch when we order pizza? If we can't go

0:57:22.240 --> 0:57:24.760
<v Speaker 1>to the Hollywood video next to the pizza place? Like like,

0:57:24.880 --> 0:57:26.960
<v Speaker 1>how is this going to work? And I don't know

0:57:27.120 --> 0:57:29.800
<v Speaker 1>you even getting a DVD in the mail is is

0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:32.720
<v Speaker 1>a different I think I think you're I think you're right, Trevor,

0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Like there was something about vhs that lent itself to

0:57:36.160 --> 0:57:40.840
<v Speaker 1>the lending process a little bit more economically or viscerally

0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:43.800
<v Speaker 1>or something like there was something about the physicality of

0:57:43.880 --> 0:57:45.720
<v Speaker 1>that tape and the way that it the way that

0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:48.240
<v Speaker 1>it rattles, and the way that it even rattles in

0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:52.000
<v Speaker 1>the paper sleeve in this very satisfying way. Um that

0:57:52.120 --> 0:57:57.520
<v Speaker 1>even a DVD. Yeah, yes, I mean where do you

0:57:57.560 --> 0:57:59.280
<v Speaker 1>guys think video stores are going from here? Do you

0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:02.520
<v Speaker 1>think like video drome can still continue to exist? Do

0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:05.040
<v Speaker 1>you think all these kind of you know, holdouts are

0:58:05.040 --> 0:58:06.640
<v Speaker 1>going to be able to like make it happen. Are

0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:08.640
<v Speaker 1>we just gonna lose that on this kind of piece

0:58:08.680 --> 0:58:12.400
<v Speaker 1>of culture forever inevitably coming soon? I think that that

0:58:12.560 --> 0:58:14.880
<v Speaker 1>you see it in kind of a lot of different industries,

0:58:14.960 --> 0:58:18.960
<v Speaker 1>like a return to It's been a weird year for

0:58:19.040 --> 0:58:22.440
<v Speaker 1>it obviously, but a return to like in person more

0:58:22.520 --> 0:58:26.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of like boutique, yeah, like final or like record stores,

0:58:27.200 --> 0:58:32.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, or whatever, Like you know, people getting away

0:58:32.720 --> 0:58:36.840
<v Speaker 1>from buying everything on Amazon, doing all of their shopping

0:58:36.920 --> 0:58:39.000
<v Speaker 1>and all of their commerce online. But it's like, oh,

0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:42.919
<v Speaker 1>there are certain things that like I do actually want

0:58:43.000 --> 0:58:47.280
<v Speaker 1>to you know, have like a personal experience going in

0:58:47.680 --> 0:58:49.960
<v Speaker 1>choosing something like that. I mean, like what's more valuable

0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:53.360
<v Speaker 1>than your time? Right? You know people is a little

0:58:53.360 --> 0:58:54.640
<v Speaker 1>bit of a long winded of saying, but like some

0:58:54.680 --> 0:58:57.160
<v Speaker 1>people might do it with you know, fashion or something

0:58:57.200 --> 0:58:58.560
<v Speaker 1>like you don't want to buy your stuff online, you

0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:00.520
<v Speaker 1>want to go into an actual physic cool store to

0:59:00.600 --> 0:59:03.400
<v Speaker 1>do it. Like if if like your thing is watching

0:59:03.520 --> 0:59:04.840
<v Speaker 1>movies and lots of you don't have to be a

0:59:04.960 --> 0:59:07.760
<v Speaker 1>cinephiles quote unquote to be that person, right, Like if

0:59:07.800 --> 0:59:11.000
<v Speaker 1>you like watching movies then like there's certainly a particular

0:59:11.120 --> 0:59:13.840
<v Speaker 1>drive to go into a place where you can do

0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:17.320
<v Speaker 1>it the most conscientiously. Yeah, I think I think so.

0:59:17.680 --> 0:59:21.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they'll ever come back to like when

0:59:21.240 --> 0:59:24.760
<v Speaker 1>the heyday of when we were experiencing them, but I

0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:27.040
<v Speaker 1>do feel like there's been a return in a lot

0:59:27.080 --> 0:59:29.840
<v Speaker 1>of ways of people have expressed like, what is that

0:59:29.920 --> 0:59:32.520
<v Speaker 1>called entertainment fatigue? When you have way too many streaming options,

0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:35.400
<v Speaker 1>are way too many things like the reasons we flocked

0:59:35.480 --> 0:59:38.320
<v Speaker 1>to things like Netflix, which is convenience and it's just

0:59:38.520 --> 0:59:43.320
<v Speaker 1>right there. I think that we are realizing like, yes,

0:59:43.400 --> 0:59:46.840
<v Speaker 1>that's great, love it, but sometimes I don't want that thing,

0:59:46.920 --> 0:59:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Like sometimes I want something else, I want a different option.

0:59:50.560 --> 0:59:53.920
<v Speaker 1>And so I do think that I hope that there

0:59:54.040 --> 0:59:57.920
<v Speaker 1>is a market for smaller boutique stores and people will

0:59:58.000 --> 1:00:02.600
<v Speaker 1>continue to patron eyes them and that that number might grow. Yeah.

1:00:02.640 --> 1:00:05.640
<v Speaker 1>I certainly hope that the that the small shops can

1:00:05.760 --> 1:00:08.880
<v Speaker 1>hang on. And I love what Video Drome specifically has

1:00:08.920 --> 1:00:12.200
<v Speaker 1>been doing in partnering up with other local businesses like

1:00:12.320 --> 1:00:14.440
<v Speaker 1>the Plaza Theater, which is right around the corner, to

1:00:14.560 --> 1:00:18.040
<v Speaker 1>do some film screenings of really interesting movies or they

1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:20.920
<v Speaker 1>had a couple back when, you know, like live events

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<v Speaker 1>were a thing. They had a few parties over at

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<v Speaker 1>the Highland in ballroom. Um that we're always just a

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<v Speaker 1>really fun time of you know, like people who are

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<v Speaker 1>enthusiastic about a thing getting together in a space and

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<v Speaker 1>being enthusiastic about it is a wonderful thing. And I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, yeah, that that is what you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>when you're talking about that community of a film store,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's just you and the surly attendant, Like

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<v Speaker 1>that is a community of two of two people who

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<v Speaker 1>you know, are who otherwise might not ever have the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to talk and can wind up getting into a

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting conversation about yeah, like Cronenberg or whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>is that it is like I think that videos stores

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<v Speaker 1>that exist now have the potential to go on and

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<v Speaker 1>that that they can get some support because they fill

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<v Speaker 1>a need in their community, but also maybe especially because

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<v Speaker 1>they feel like a really rare niche now that there's

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<v Speaker 1>just not that there's so few of them, there's such

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<v Speaker 1>a rarity. But like new video stores like people opening,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that's a possibility a new indie store

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<v Speaker 1>in your town. I think it's possible. It would be hard,

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<v Speaker 1>to be difficult to do, but I think it's possible.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like more likely in very specific geographic areas,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's got to be somewhere that's like a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more Irvan. It's got to be somewhere, or it's

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<v Speaker 1>got to be somewhere with like a big college, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe Athens or somewhere. Would that would work, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>where there's like enough young people. Yeah, just that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of density. Yeah. One of the things that they pointed

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<v Speaker 1>out when we were at Video Drome is that because

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<v Speaker 1>they've it open for over twenty years, they've collected titles

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<v Speaker 1>that aren't in print anymore that you can't really find.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they took all this they've taken all this

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<v Speaker 1>time to build up inventory. All is be buying things,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's one of the reasons when you go in

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<v Speaker 1>there that their catalog is so incredibly diverse. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's something close to titles now, and you know, they've

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<v Speaker 1>got lots of they mean the stuff they opened in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineties, they've got lots of like Indian sort of

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<v Speaker 1>small release stuff from the nineties specifically that hasn't been

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<v Speaker 1>reissued and isn't in print anymore. If you or your

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<v Speaker 1>collection of friends or whatever had a deep collection of

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<v Speaker 1>film titles already, then you can start a store. Starting

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<v Speaker 1>a store brand new and just buying all this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>would probably be the least exciting way to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like at this point you would start

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<v Speaker 1>having to does a video drume to do this. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like at a certain point, from Blockbuster or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>you could rent out VCR if you didn't have one. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, like I think that any new place that

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<v Speaker 1>opened up might need to consider renting out the equipment

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<v Speaker 1>with which to watch such a thing. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>make a good point. You make a good point. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>who has DVD players anymore? Just you know, I don't know, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>are you going to rent it on a thumb drive? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>I like? Who? I will say, there are a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of movies I can't find on streaming that I want,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't buy them anywhere, and I'm not willing

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<v Speaker 1>to spend a hundred and eighty dollars on The Princess

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<v Speaker 1>and the Goblin, which I think is probably not very good.

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<v Speaker 1>But I liked it as a child. He had coarse

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<v Speaker 1>Leashman in it, so that's the plus. Um, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like video drums that you should a video drume. I should.

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<v Speaker 1>I have like four movies from my childhood that I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty when I watched Um, The Thief and the

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<v Speaker 1>Cobbler is on there. I have a whole list from

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<v Speaker 1>the same production Coveny or something, because that's something like

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<v Speaker 1>the first one. Probably well, I can't get them anywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do think it's interesting the idea like in

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<v Speaker 1>the post apocalypse times, we won't have well, well I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know full around, but there will be like Internet necessarily,

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<v Speaker 1>and there will you want these physical things. And there

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<v Speaker 1>are movies that I remember watching as a kid where

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<v Speaker 1>that they would have to act out like the adults

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<v Speaker 1>that could remember the Star Wars like movies they would

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<v Speaker 1>act them out for younger generations. But there is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you don't want to think that way, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>possible that we will need this physical media in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's something to keep in mind. This episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Ephemeral was produced by Trevor Young and Max and Alex Williams,

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<v Speaker 1>with big thanks to Dan Herbert. My colleagues Annie Reese

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<v Speaker 1>and Lauren Vogelbaum of the phenomenal food and culture podcast Saver.

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<v Speaker 1>And to Matt Booth and everyone at Video Drome for

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<v Speaker 1>their hospitality in this production and for making Atlanta a

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<v Speaker 1>great place for movie culture. We'll be back with something

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