1 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Daniel Moody. Pre recording from the Home 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: Bunker during our holiday rest week. Folks, as we wind 4 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: down the last seven years of bringing you WOKF, I've 5 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: wanted to give you some of our best of Revisit 6 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: these conversations that I think are really important for us 7 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: to hold on to as we trudge our way into 8 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: this brand new world. Donald Trump in a couple of 9 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: weeks is going to be sworn in as a forty 10 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: seventh president of these United States, and he was most 11 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: likely will be the last democratically elected president of these 12 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: United States. And so I thought it was important to 13 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: go back to a conversation that I had with our 14 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: friend gentalb about Donald Trump running for office in the 15 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: first place as a twice impeached former president with multiple indictments, 16 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: and recognizing that we have long since left precedented times. 17 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: This is not normal. And I think that it's so important, 18 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: folks to remind ourselves of that, because they want to 19 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: make the abnormal seem normal. They want to make it 20 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: seem okay that a white supremac apologist, a man that's 21 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: multiple has multiple indictments, a man that said, can you 22 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: do me a favor though, A man that's been accused 23 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: of sexual harassment and adjudicated for rape, a man that 24 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: has called Mexicans rapists and murderers, that said that black 25 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: people come from shithole countries. A man that has ripped 26 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: families away from each other and pledges to do mass 27 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: deportations in his second term. None of this is normal, 28 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: and we should never normalize it. We should never allow 29 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: ourselves to just say, well, you know, it is what 30 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: it is. We have to remember our power in these moments. 31 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: We have to remember our light in these episodes of darkness, 32 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: and we have to remember to remember who we are. 33 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: So in this conversation with Gentobb that we revisit, we 34 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: talk about all the ways that this isn't the America 35 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: that we want to be living in, and so what 36 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: do we do. Take a listen, folks, I am always 37 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: so happy when one of my friends, fellow nerd Avenger, 38 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: just fellow colleague in the space, who loses their mind. 39 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: Regular bathists try to keep direct with the news cycle. 40 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: Gentib joins Okay daily. You know her. She's a law 41 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 1: professor and the author of Big Dirty money and other 42 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: people's houses. And she is the host of Booked Up 43 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: with Gen Tobb, Jen. 44 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: Danielle. 45 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: Where to begin in all honesty in the legal landscape 46 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: or minefield that is America these days? But because I 47 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: don't have my medication present, let's not talk about the 48 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: Supreme Court, shall we? Let's just talk about the Donald Trump. 49 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: But so here's what we know. Judge Aileen Cannon, who 50 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: should have recused herself but didn't and is still overseeing 51 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: Jack Smith's documents case against Donald Trump. Folks. I know 52 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: that there are so many cases, so it's hard to 53 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: keep track, but let us start with the document's case 54 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: has set a court date for May twenty fourth, I 55 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: believe twenty twenty four. Uh so five twenty four, twenty four, 56 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: ha ha on us, Jen, what do you make of 57 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: Aileen Cannon's moves thus far? Uh? In this in this 58 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: case and whether or not we will we'll see pushback 59 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: from the Department of Justice by way of Jack Smith 60 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: because he said he was ready to go in December. 61 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: We knew that that was unlikely. But but where what 62 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: are you thinking so far about her moves and then 63 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: the timing of this trial? 64 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: Well, in my past life, Danielle, Like I don't know, 65 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: pre COVID, pre Trump, and even maybe up until a 66 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: few weeks ago, I tend to be a glass half 67 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: full person. Now I'm a the glass has been smashed 68 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 2: into pieces against the wall and I'm just drinking coffee 69 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: straight from straight became the staff, you know, kind of person. 70 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 2: So but that being set, I am trying to find 71 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: the silver lining in the storm cloud that Eileen Cannon 72 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 2: has created for the future of democracy. Because May twenty four, 73 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: there's only one good two good things about that date. 74 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 2: One that's literally the last I think, like the last day, 75 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: like when grades are due spring semester for my classes, 76 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 2: so like I will be done teaching. So if that's 77 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 2: going to take over all of my time, I'm ready. 78 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 2: That's but you know, that's the one good thing, hardly 79 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 2: enough to recommend the date. 80 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: But the other good. 81 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 2: Thing is it is so far out there as a 82 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: preliminary date that I'm hoping that Jack Smith is ready 83 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: to go on the insurrection case on the January sixth case, 84 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: that we expect to be charged any day now, and 85 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: that a judge in DC sees it as perfect timing. 86 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 2: There's no In other words, The reason why, as you know, 87 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 2: that the Justice Department pushed out the date to December 88 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 2: from the judge's original summer date, which wasn't going to happen, 89 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: was because there's some complications around how to share top 90 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 2: secret type documents that will not be the case in 91 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: the January sixth indictment, you know. And I think the 92 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: Justice Department has brought hundreds of cases involving the rioters 93 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: and has already the benefit of, as you know, the 94 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: special Committee investigating the attack on the Capitol. They have 95 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 2: done incredible amounts of work even before this Special Council 96 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: got involved. I think they're ready to go one day 97 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: in DT. So my hope is they ask for a 98 00:06:53,440 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: November date October even for that case. The yeah and 99 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 2: the only, the only true other than the selfish motive, 100 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 2: the only true good thing about May twenty fourth is 101 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: it gives the opportunity a wide open field to bring 102 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: the most important case against this guy, which is trying 103 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: to stage a coup to stay in office and the 104 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: you know, ongoing lie that that is associated with all that, 105 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: all the time between the November election when he lost, 106 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: through the attack on the Capitol and his role all 107 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 2: of that is feeding into his campaign and the undermining 108 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: of what little we have left of our democratic institution. 109 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: So that's the bright note. Now, if there I am 110 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: hoping he asks for October or November or December date. 111 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: If Jack Smith doesn't, you know, I give up. I 112 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: really do. I don't know what to tell you. 113 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: So, I mean, we have a couple of things that 114 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: are brewing right and I think one of them is 115 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: the fact that on Donald Trump's broke ass Twitter that 116 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: I refer to, I guess he truth's on there. I 117 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: don't really know what one does on that apparatus, but 118 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: on that application. 119 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: But. 120 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: You know, he sent out a real ominous and threatening 121 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: video the other day which was basically saying, if you 122 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: come for us, will come for you. We're not afraid. 123 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: You know which, Jen, I'm no lawyer. That's why I 124 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: have you on the show. But he seems to be 125 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: doing the same exact things that he did prior to 126 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: January sixth. With the rollout of these indictments, you know, 127 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: he sends up a flare, all of mainstream media jumps 128 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: on the Trump train right, giving him once again all 129 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: just the free press that he he uses that attention to. 130 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: Then send out threats to Jack Smith and to others, 131 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: and then sends out this video basically another digital stand 132 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: back and stand by. So tell me how these kinds 133 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: of things can be used in a court of law 134 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: that he's doing. 135 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: I think once there is an indictment, assuming there is one, 136 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: and there's a judge assigned, that judge can issue in 137 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: theory a kind of gag order related to specifically making 138 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: threats to the prosecutor specifically related to other kind of 139 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: I would say incitement activity. And the question is, you know, 140 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: will the judge, Will the judge do that? 141 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: Uh? 142 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: You know, the the he's gotten away with so much 143 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: and a judge has to be careful in what they 144 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: do because if they're not going to actually enforce in order, 145 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 2: then it becomes a victory for him. You know, what 146 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 2: does that look like in other words, of a judge 147 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: makes an order and then do some sort of contempt 148 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: citation against them, is you know, is he going to 149 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: actually bring him into court? You know, we saw similar 150 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 2: activity during the Carol two trial. It was Carol two 151 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: because it was brought second even though charged, you know, 152 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: she filed the the defamation and sexual assault case. This 153 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 2: was the second case, even though it went first and 154 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 2: there were things that you know, the Donald Trump was 155 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: doing on Twitter, and the judge I was in the courtroom, 156 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: you know, said to his lawyers, you got to talk 157 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: to your client, and sometimes he took down what he 158 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 2: was saying off Twitter. But then when he continued that 159 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: behavior after he lost the case, now that's become part 160 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: of the next case. I mean, Carol want it's been 161 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: added to that case against him. Now this is all 162 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: about a civil case. Right, You're more concerned about him 163 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: stand back, stand by kind of language actually creating violence. 164 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: I remain a little bit less concerned because when he 165 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 2: was indicted his first federal indictment as opposed to the 166 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: Manhattan DA indictment, the first federal grand jury indictment, we 167 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 2: didn't see that much support for him around the courthouse 168 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 2: in Florida. Now I realized this is probably this is 169 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 2: different because these are the same people, right, this is 170 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: all about But however, there are a lot of people 171 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: who were charged and either serve time or are going 172 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: to serve time, who feel abandoned by Donald Trump, in 173 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 2: other words, he so they may not come and also 174 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: they may themselves not want to get arrested again. So 175 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 2: we've got to think about that. So I don't know 176 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 2: if you're if you're worried. 177 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: You know, the thing is, I wasn't stating that as 178 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: a way to say that I'm worried that his words 179 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: will incite the same type of violence as January sixth. 180 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: It was really about whether or not the prosecution can 181 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: show a pattern of behavior and did yeah, a pattern 182 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: of behavior and basic intent with his continued language. Now 183 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: you could have yeah, because my thought was if Donald Trump, 184 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: let's say, had been a normal human being and you're 185 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: caught doing something and then you decide I'm going to 186 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: back away from that said behavior so that my attorneys 187 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: can say that this was an isolated event, caught up 188 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: in passion, whatever bullshit kind of you know, defense is 189 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: going to be created. You could say that that was 190 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: an isolated of it. But over the last few years 191 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: since January sixth, we've watched Donald Trump continue to use 192 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: social media as a way to either virtually assault people, right, 193 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: make them a target in an attack, the same way 194 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: that he did with the voting staff in uh in Georgia. Right. 195 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: And so my question really is like, how is the process, 196 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: how do you feel, how can the prosecution use Donald 197 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: Trump's continued behavior or there for their case. 198 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 2: Yes, so it's more of a legal analysis that you're 199 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 2: asking me for. So yeah, So two ways. One if 200 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: they if the prosecution wants to bring in evidence like 201 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 2: as a pattern of behavior this is how he tries 202 00:13:55,120 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: to obstruct and try to stir up violence. In terms 203 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: of admitting evidence that his lawyers are obviously going to 204 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 2: want to exclude that kind of evidence, and they want 205 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 2: to narrow what a jury can hear, right, And so 206 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: the tension in our rules of federal rules of evidence is, 207 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 2: first of all, only things that are considered relevant can 208 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 2: be admitted. This would obviously, you know, I think it's 209 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: relevant to his intent and so on. So but the 210 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 2: next thing is and of course the other side, his 211 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: defense will say it's not. But even if a judge 212 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: thinks it's relevant, the judge then has to decide whether 213 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: something is two what's called too prejudicial to be probative. 214 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: It's this concept of you know, for example, when a 215 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: defendant is trial for a particular let's say, you know, 216 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: breaking into a grocery store to steal formula for their 217 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: kid or something. God forbid, we prosecute for that, you know, 218 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 2: whether they had been caught doing, you know, shoplifting something 219 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 2: else at a different time. You know, if a jury 220 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: gets to hear the other shoplifting, it's going to make 221 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 2: them think, oh, this is a bad person. I'm going 222 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: to convict them. And so the defense is going to 223 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: want to say, you know, that's not really relevant. What 224 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: they were shoplifting before was you know, I don't know Amazon, 225 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: you know, gift cards or whatever, and that just has 226 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: nothing to do with this. However, you know, the idea 227 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: would be, well, if the way that this person did 228 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: this was similar, then we can look for a pattern 229 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: of behavior. But the idea is it's relevant because it 230 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: shows this person has the intent to take things that 231 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: aren't theirs. But a lot of judges would exclude that earlier, 232 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: that earlier evidence because they would say, you know, that's 233 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: going to make a jury try him for being a 234 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: bad person, and we don't do that in America. You're 235 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: supposed to be tried for your your actual offenses. So 236 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: it's going to really be up to what a jury, 237 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: what the judge is, and how the judge rules. So 238 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: that's going to be an evidentiary battle. The second way, though, 239 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: I think is interesting, is if his tweeting or his 240 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 2: it's not even tweeting xing, or his his what that 241 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: we call him now is true thing whatever, if his 242 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: public statements are directed toward this particular case, and it 243 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: could be seen as trying to influence witnesses or tamper 244 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: with them, or somehow create threats against physical or other 245 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: threats against jurors or the court. That could be its 246 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 2: own kind of separate case, you know. And I don't 247 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: know if you saw this, but the other day I 248 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 2: saw like it was it Mike Huckabee. Did you see 249 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: this thing going around on threads like he put up? 250 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: It could have been on true social maybe it was 251 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: an interview on the news, But what I saw is 252 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: he was on air or something saying the most important 253 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: values are loyalty, and he was like saying it was 254 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 2: a very weird, like if you don't get it, like 255 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: they're all out there sending signals for people to not 256 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: not squeal, you know, not rat out the mob boss. 257 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: And the closer he gets to this prospect of being 258 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 2: convicted for something in federal court, maybe he believes jail time, 259 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: which I don't think would happen. But the closer he 260 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: gets to that, the more desperate his moves will become. 261 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: And so I think we should keep our eye on 262 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 2: both both avenues. 263 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: So let's now take a little trip down south to Georgia, 264 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: right where we are waiting yet and again, folks, you 265 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: know Jen and I are having this conversation at a 266 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: time when they're when you know, we're doing our best 267 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: to read the tea leaves and shake a magic eight ball, 268 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: but we have no idea when and if these things 269 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: are actually coming down the pike. My assumption is yes, 270 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: it is why from Georgia because Fani Willis had sent 271 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: up a flair months ago telling us that between July 272 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: and September for law enforcement to prepare, so we know 273 00:17:53,640 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: that those things are are underway. Part of Jen I 274 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: guess the rumors that are circulating is that Fannie Willis 275 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: the DA in Georgia could potentially be looking at racketeering charges. 276 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: So Jen, talk to us about this, what if this big? 277 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: What if that we don't know yet? Why would this 278 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: be a BFD. 279 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 2: Well, it would be a BFD because of what activity 280 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 2: you can scoop up once you decide something is racketeering 281 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 2: or a racketeering conspiracy. So there is a federal RICO law, 282 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: and there are than state ones. And the people think 283 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: of RICO racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organizations Act law. They think 284 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: of it as being something to get organized crime. But 285 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: that's not the only thing it can be used for. 286 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 2: And the idea with racketeering is that you uh the law, 287 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: whether it's the Georgia one or the federal one, is 288 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 2: designed to criminalize, to create, criminalize a pattern of racketeering activity. 289 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: So that's how the language works. And then you have 290 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 2: to say, well, what is racketeering activity and what is 291 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: a pattern? Well, racketeering activity at the federal level is 292 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 2: a little bit different at the state the federal level. 293 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: The reason why RICO was established is so that you 294 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: could turn into a federal crime or a pattern of 295 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 2: state criminal behavior, so as well as a series of 296 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: different federal crimes, so that we call them predicate offenses. 297 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 2: So all of a sudden, someone who's just committing crimes 298 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 2: like doing you know, black met or bribery or shaking 299 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: people down, or murder. At the state level, you know, 300 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: murdering people, you could now say, well, murder's usually a 301 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: state offense. But now if it's a pattern of racketeering activity, 302 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,479 Speaker 2: if it's a if you have an enterprise, which is, 303 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 2: you know, a group of two or more people working 304 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: together to commit a series of murders, now all of 305 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 2: a sudden, instead of just a state crime, you could 306 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 2: charge that at the federal level, right or kidnapping, So 307 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 2: think of that. That's the federal way. Similarly, things like 308 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 2: wirefraud or counterfeiting or all kinds of other federal offenses. 309 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 2: If someone is a pattern of it, if you've called 310 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 2: you call it a pattern of racketeering activity. Now what 311 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 2: you've done, If you've said, okay, Danielle, if you're at 312 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 2: the hub of this group, if you're in charge of 313 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 2: you know this activity. You if you set up this 314 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: sort of racketeering enterprise and you're either making money or 315 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: benefiting from this kind of behavior, even if you were 316 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 2: not involved in all these underlying things, if you're part 317 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 2: of this rico enterprise, you now can be tagged with 318 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 2: all this other stuff. It's a way of creating a 319 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 2: web around a sort of amorphous activity where you cannot see. 320 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 2: So let's put Donald Trump at the center of this, 321 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 2: and let's look at the let's look at the efforts 322 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: to change the vote count in Georgia. The reason why racketeering, Now, 323 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 2: let's look at the state level. The reason why racketeering 324 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: would be helpful is if if Rico at the state, 325 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 2: at the Georgia level, is also criminalizing a pattern of 326 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: racketeering activity. Rico at the Georgia level has a whole 327 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 2: bunch of other types of crimes, state crimes, and some 328 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: of those are the you know, the activities that people 329 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: like Giuliani and anyone he. 330 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: Was working with Graham, Lindsey Graham. 331 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 2: Or maybe any of the electors. And so all of 332 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: a sudden, you have all these people doing all these 333 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: different activities that were all furthering the efforts of Donald 334 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: Trump to overturn the election in Georgia. And Rico helps 335 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: because you might if you cannot find a phone call 336 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: where every single person who did bad things in this 337 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 2: puzzle was told by Donald Trump to do it, it 338 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 2: doesn't really matter. Creating this Rico theory, Rico enterprise, you 339 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: could now create liability for him. I don't know if 340 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 2: that makes sense to you. That's what I'm trying to 341 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 2: So that's why it's sort of a big deal, and 342 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: you know it just it just as layers of liability 343 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: and just yet another crime. And it also sounds bad. 344 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: But remember he already settled Rico State Rico charges with 345 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: his fake university. You know, it's not like he hasn't 346 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 2: been tagged with RICO before. I just think people like, 347 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 2: they think it sounds they think it sounds scary. But 348 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 2: the other thing is that Fawnie Willis has had success 349 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: using the Georgia Rico statute before. Wasn't she involved in 350 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 2: the whole thing about teachers cheating helping students cheat on exams? Yes, 351 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 2: So again, when you have. 352 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: An organized crime ring, it doesn't need to be a mob. 353 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't need to be a mob association. Hollywood has 354 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: allowed us to make that connection, but that is not 355 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: the only connection that it has. And if we're looking 356 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: and we're talking about all the ways in which Donald 357 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: Trump has a legal tsunami against him, it is to 358 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: pull back and say, this is an organized crime ring 359 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: that has engulfed an entire political party. And there are 360 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: many mechanisms, much in the same way that you know, 361 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: organized crime members have different hands in different jars. 362 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: And what's super interesting is when you say organized crime ring. 363 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 2: What becomes super interesting is how is the ring defined, 364 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 2: who's in it right and who's not in it right, 365 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 2: because that will tell us more about you know, who 366 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 2: flipped who didn't based on whether they're charged or not. 367 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:39,479 Speaker 2: And you know, we've got to go back to that 368 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 2: to remember this special grand jury report, when that woman 369 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: was making the rounds, who was absolutely giddy going on television. Yeah, 370 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 2: so she told us, you know, there are not going 371 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: to be any plot twists. There are lots of people's names. 372 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 2: We're not going to be surprised to see them. You know, 373 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: I would like to see those. 374 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: Lastly, Jen, just to think about all the ways in 375 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: which for a normal person the walls would be closing 376 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: in and this would just amount to, you know, guilty 377 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: verdict after guilty verdict. But we know that in the 378 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: America that we live in, where rich, white, cis hetero men, 379 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: very rarely are held to account, let alone those that 380 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: were former presidents of the United States. I want to 381 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,719 Speaker 1: turn your attention to Michigan for a moment and the 382 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: sixteen sixteen Republican of fake electors who were caught up 383 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: in that scheme, who were charged with felonies for their 384 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: quote for their role in the alleged false elector's scheme. 385 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 1: How does that? How does what is happening in Michigan 386 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: tie in to what is happening in Georgia and as 387 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: a larger part of this overall twenty twenty scheme by 388 00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: Trump and company. 389 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it tells me. I mean, first of all, 390 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: I'm so proud of the women from my home state. 391 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 2: You know, you know, we don't come to play. I 392 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 2: mean I recognize, I recognize those women as people that 393 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 2: some people I grew up with him that I admire. 394 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 2: And what it tells me is a couple of things. 395 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 2: In Michigan, the Attorney General, Dana Nessel took this case 396 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 2: back after she had referred it over to Merrick Garland. 397 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: So remember Merrick Garland, you know, as in my view, 398 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 2: was not in a big hurry to do justice when 399 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 2: it came to anything Donald Trump was involved in. And 400 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 2: only when he announced his plan to run for office 401 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 2: does he appoint Jack Smith. And only I think shortly 402 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 2: after maybe they found those documents at Biden's house? Did that? 403 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: Do you even do that? Like he should have a 404 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 2: pointed some long time ago, and he also should have 405 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 2: done something about the flake collectors in Michigan and the 406 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 2: other states. And so I admired Dana Nessel for saying, 407 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 2: you know what, I don't have to wait forever. I'm 408 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 2: going to bring this case. And she, you know, she 409 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: brought this case against these against these these people. It 410 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: was sixteen of them, and the kinds of charges she 411 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 2: used were ordinary state charges. I love this one. One 412 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 2: crime called uttering and publishing. When I worked in the 413 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: courthouses when I was a teenager and I had some 414 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 2: summer jobs, they're uttering publishing was something you charge people 415 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 2: with if they wrote a bad check. It's kind of 416 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 2: any kind of sort of false written statement. Others were 417 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 2: charged with, you know, other charges included for each of 418 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 2: them election law forgery, and these are these are serious, 419 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 2: serious felonies. These are you know, when they're at this level, 420 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 2: when it's not just passing a bad check, when it's 421 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 2: actually trying to falsify the electoral slate and and and 422 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 2: you know, give an opportunity for overturning a lawful election. 423 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 2: We're talking about fourteen years for each of these offenses. 424 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 2: There's like one, two, three, four, or five, like six 425 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: different felonies here in several counts each to My hope 426 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 2: is that other states, not just Georgia and Michigan where 427 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 2: this was going on, the prosecutors decide that they're not 428 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 2: going to wait around for the federal government. Jacksonith's obviously 429 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: very busy at this point and whatever else he's not 430 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: working on, I wouldn't leave it to Merrick Garland, and 431 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 2: hopefully they step up. 432 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: I mean, but isn't that just a fucking travesty that, like, 433 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, in Merrick Garland's attempt to not play politics, 434 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: to restore integrity into an institution, That's exactly what he's 435 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: been doing. That's exactly what he's done. And what we 436 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: know to be true is that if Donald Trump had 437 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: not announced his run for reelection, then Merrick Garland would 438 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: have done absolutely nothing. 439 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 2: You know, if it weren't for I think the big 440 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 2: in addition to that, one hundred percent agree, I think 441 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 2: the biggest game changer was the testimony. 442 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: Of Cassidy Hutchinsons. 443 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 2: And yet again, you know, look, there's you know, people, 444 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 2: people who are closest to the activity, who don't have 445 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 2: fancy titles, always know what's going on in this world. 446 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 2: But here she is, this young woman and not only 447 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 2: did they not take her seriously, they tried to destroy her, 448 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 2: you know, afterward. And you know, my question for you is, 449 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,239 Speaker 2: why did she go Why did her lawyers when they 450 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 2: decided to seek her own counsel, why did they feel 451 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: safe going to the commission, and why did they not 452 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 2: go to the Justice Department first? And there's a reason. Yeah, 453 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,239 Speaker 2: because I you know, and I don't know. I I 454 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 2: have a lot, you know, I'm very disappointed. I you know, 455 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 2: as you know, I believe a special counsel should have 456 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 2: been appointed right away at the outset. But we're where 457 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: we are. But if there had been a special counsel 458 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 2: appointed the minute Marek Garland was sworn in in March 459 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty one, we may have actually had some 460 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 2: trials by now. This is ridiculous. 461 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: That's not what they's not that's not what they wanted, 462 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: and that's not what he wanted. 463 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 2: But we're really it's a terrible situation for the country 464 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 2: to be in. You know, I'm not someone who's who's 465 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 2: happy that Donald Trump is going to most likely be 466 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 2: the candidate for the Republican Party, because they all know 467 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 2: the only way that he can win is if there's 468 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 2: a third party candidate. I mean, that's how Bill Clinton won. 469 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 2: Ross Perot was there. It's very hard, even under normal circumstances, 470 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: for anyone to either party to win the presidential election 471 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 2: the way the electoral College is set up, in the 472 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 2: way our country has always been divided. And now we're 473 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: in a real danger of Donald Trump being re elected. 474 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: And you know, I blame that on the Justice Department 475 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 2: because and I'm not saying it because this is not 476 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 2: a partisan issue. I'm saying someone who tried to overthrow 477 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 2: the election should not be running again. And and that 478 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 2: is if you don't if you don't understand that, then 479 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 2: you really don't know what you're doing in your job. 480 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 2: And I don't understand how that was in his priority 481 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: day one. 482 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: Honestly, that is a that is a question that I 483 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: don't think we'll ever have an answer to, my friend, 484 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: but we will have to leave it here today. Genob, 485 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: thank you so much for making the time to join 486 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: wo KF read some tea leaves with me here because 487 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: Lord only knows what's coming. But I'm sure it's not good. 488 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: But but I'm sure we'll have you back to unpack 489 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: it all when it does come to fruish. 490 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad that you say that, because it's nothing good. 491 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,479 Speaker 2: It's going to happen in this space, if something even small, 492 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 2: even the essence of something good, I guess yeah, then 493 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 2: I can you know, have a little a little rejoicing. 494 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Oh we'll see. That is it for me today, 495 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: Dear friends on Woke af AS always, power to the 496 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: people and to all the people. Power, get woke and 497 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: stay woke as fuck.