Speaker 1: Welcome to Katie's Crib, a production of Shonda land Audio
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Speaker 1: to Katie's Crib. You guys here we are. We did it.
Speaker 1: This is the season three finale of Katie's Crib. Thank
Speaker 1: you guys so much for listening. My Katie's Crib community
Speaker 1: has been such a source of inspiration and support during
Speaker 1: this incredibly challenging epic up and down learning and unlearning
Speaker 1: wild Year and what we have here for the season
Speaker 1: three finale is actually a two part or it's two
Speaker 1: episodes for the price of one. That's right, folks, It
Speaker 1: is a two for with the one and only Shay Mitchell.
Speaker 1: I am so excited. Part one. Why we had to
Speaker 1: do it two for I'll explain is that the first
Speaker 1: episode Shay and I actually recorded on March twelve, that is,
Speaker 1: the day before shutdown. Shane and I met in person.
Speaker 1: This was the last in person interview I did for
Speaker 1: Katie's Crib. We bumped elbows because we didn't know if
Speaker 1: it was safe to hug, even though we really wanted to.
Speaker 1: There was hand sanitizer all over the table's toilet paper
Speaker 1: had been thought from all the grocery stores, and we
Speaker 1: didn't know what was on the horizon. So I'm very
Speaker 1: excited for you to listen to the version of Shay
Speaker 1: Mitchell with her five month old and me with pregnancy
Speaker 1: that I didn't know about yet. For episode two of
Speaker 1: the finale, Shay and I just met a few days
Speaker 1: ago because I reached out and I was like, Shay,
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna want to know how you are now, me
Speaker 1: me especially. And so the second episode of the season
Speaker 1: finale is February one, Shay Mitchell in February, Katie lows
Speaker 1: I have a newborn. Shay has a one year five
Speaker 1: month old. We are in pandemic times, and yet we
Speaker 1: understand it more. It has been a year and change
Speaker 1: that no one ever ever ever saw coming. So here
Speaker 1: you have it, episode one of the season finale of
Speaker 1: Katie's christ And then once you've listened to this episode,
Speaker 1: head over to part two. I am very excited to
Speaker 1: introduce today's guest. She is an actress, she's an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: She is a queen of travel. She is a new
Speaker 1: member of a of the Mom Club with a five
Speaker 1: month old. We know her as Emily Fields and pretty
Speaker 1: little Liars, Peach in You on Netflix, and most recently
Speaker 1: Stellic Hole in doll Face on Hulu. Yes. Yes, and
Speaker 1: I feel like I've known you for like a hundred
Speaker 1: years through Troy and Bellasario. Everybody, welcome the one. The
Speaker 1: only shame it Jael, Hello, Hi, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming on. I feel like I just can't believe.
Speaker 1: I don't think we've met before. We haven't, but I
Speaker 1: really think I've met you because I've seen you on
Speaker 1: TV obviously in the same with you, right it No,
Speaker 1: but I feel like I know you. It's I'm very
Speaker 1: um thrilled that you're here and also that now we
Speaker 1: are going to be friends. Um, get ready for friendship,
Speaker 1: as I like to say, UM, let's dive in. We
Speaker 1: we guys, we've we've already been talking for like a while,
Speaker 1: returned on these mics, so we're already like into a topic. Um,
Speaker 1: we were talking about your beautiful daughter Atlas. I love
Speaker 1: that name. Thank you. Oh my god, how did you
Speaker 1: come up with it? I actually didn't. It was our
Speaker 1: good friends who were coming up with a name for
Speaker 1: their daughter, like probably about two years ago, and they
Speaker 1: were going through the list and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: they hit at lists and I looked at Matt and
Speaker 1: I'm like he's like, whoa. I'm like, they can't they
Speaker 1: can't you they can't use that one. And so we're
Speaker 1: like telling her, We're like, uh, we don't really like
Speaker 1: it exactly, you know, I thought so too um. And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you know, we called her
Speaker 1: Atlas and then she's like, he was Atlas going to
Speaker 1: be the name whatever? Boy girl? They no, we have
Speaker 1: a boy named still, we always had a boy name.
Speaker 1: I thought I was having a boy just instinctively. I
Speaker 1: was like, I think I'm having a boy, and you
Speaker 1: didn't find out. We did find out, yes, yes, so
Speaker 1: we thought it was boy and until we did the
Speaker 1: gender revealed. Then when it was a girl, were like,
Speaker 1: we have no name. This is like completely you know,
Speaker 1: changing everything we had ever thought about. So Atlas came about.
Speaker 1: And then her middle name, Noah, actually got from Twitter.
Speaker 1: So I did. Yes. Some fan was like, what do
Speaker 1: you guys think Shane mass baby's name is going to be?
Speaker 1: And there was like a list and then they had
Speaker 1: Noah and it was an o A. I'm like that's sick.
Speaker 1: I called him. I'm like Atlas Noah, and your last
Speaker 1: name was great now Atlas. Um, you guys follow shape Mitchell. Uh,
Speaker 1: your beautiful daughter we were talking about. She presents his
Speaker 1: white Yes, she is very fair, scary blue eye, she
Speaker 1: has light hair, and you and your husband do not.
Speaker 1: You guys are But I'm like me and my boyfriend.
Speaker 1: Everybody never knows that I love it because I just
Speaker 1: you know, people like so husband, I'm like, no, my boyfriend, boyfriend. Um,
Speaker 1: there's no ring on it, so you know. But um, yes,
Speaker 1: Matt and I definitely look like we are mixed because
Speaker 1: we are. We each have a parent who's fully Caucasian,
Speaker 1: and then he's his dad's from trinidadad my mom's from
Speaker 1: the Philippines. She resembles neither of them and just really
Speaker 1: resembles my dad and his mom. So yeah, does she
Speaker 1: have stuff from both your dad and his mom, just
Speaker 1: the blue eyes and the fairer skin. Yeah. And he
Speaker 1: was like wait what he looked at me. I was like,
Speaker 1: I swear, you know, we wear it, so yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: like I don't know, um, but right away I saw
Speaker 1: her eyes and I was like, yeah, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: I wasn't born with these kind of eyes, and everybody
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, but they changed, don't that's true, you know,
Speaker 1: And everybody did say that, but I was I knew.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, she's really does have these crazy
Speaker 1: light eyes. Now you're super famous, so people probably already know.
Speaker 1: But I feel like I talk about this with other
Speaker 1: moms I know whose kids don't look anything like them
Speaker 1: and they're on the playground and people think they're the nanny.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, like you know, people like that's not
Speaker 1: your kid. Definitely, especially when Matt's like with her walking around,
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, cute kid, but like not his.
Speaker 1: You know, they just don't put two in two. It's
Speaker 1: like he's holding a friend's kid and the same with me.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting, Um, did you always know you wanted
Speaker 1: to be a mom? Yes? I always knew that I
Speaker 1: wanted to be a mom, but it wasn't something I
Speaker 1: had any sort of timeline for or like you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't one of those girls. I never
Speaker 1: planned a wedding. I personally don't want to get married.
Speaker 1: I never had this whole expectation of like how things
Speaker 1: were going to go. I just thought I'd like that,
Speaker 1: so if it happens awesome. So baby was definitely in
Speaker 1: the cards for you. But marriage You're like, no, it's
Speaker 1: just you don't feel it. I just don't feel And
Speaker 1: I love weddings. I you have a wedding, I'd love
Speaker 1: to go. I'll buy it. If I love weddings, I
Speaker 1: love it. But for me, I just feel like, I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: this is the biggest commitment we could ever have. I
Speaker 1: don't take a ring, like, hey man, I'll take a ring,
Speaker 1: but the whole party and all of that, I just
Speaker 1: I don't know. I love the fact that I'm like,
Speaker 1: come and go and you can do that regardless, but
Speaker 1: for me and no, it it's different. I feel like
Speaker 1: my first fight with a him when we were married,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, this is something I can't
Speaker 1: get out of as easily as before. Like I definitely
Speaker 1: remember that being like, holy sh it, like a thing
Speaker 1: that it's not. I mean, look, is it not because
Speaker 1: of that? I just like, I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: don't feel it for myself. But I love that. And
Speaker 1: also Matty, he's your life partner in that might change,
Speaker 1: like we might be seeing your wedding at well exactly
Speaker 1: and we I like to call it a commitment party.
Speaker 1: So eventually I want to have a commitment party. That's
Speaker 1: what people say, is you know, kind of similar to
Speaker 1: a wedding. But I want to make a commitment as
Speaker 1: a family, and not just to Matt and I. I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll be cool forever because we're her parents, but I
Speaker 1: want to a commitment that we're going to be the
Speaker 1: best parents for her and we're going to be like
Speaker 1: fam jam you know, first and foremost, Um, was that
Speaker 1: was planned? No, she wasn't planned. Um, yeah, she wasn't planned.
Speaker 1: And I just kind of had a feeling when I
Speaker 1: was pregnant, and because this was the second time, I
Speaker 1: may not have been as excited about it. I was
Speaker 1: a little scared the second time. So I basically, you know,
Speaker 1: telling him was just kind of like, oh, yeah, so
Speaker 1: I just took a test and I'm pregnant. Like it
Speaker 1: was very like you know, Um, but it wasn't it
Speaker 1: wasn't planned, was it not? Was she was here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: She was here? Um. So you have this amazing, huge
Speaker 1: following on social media outside of all of your amazing
Speaker 1: roles on TV and film. Um, like you keep certain
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated how you keep some of your life private though,
Speaker 1: how like your relationship, Like how do you decide what
Speaker 1: does or doesn't or like how do you know what
Speaker 1: to do? Because I haven't posted a picture of my kid,
Speaker 1: not because I judge. I just like and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: a Libra. I'm really bad at making decisions, and so
Speaker 1: when I can't make a decision, I just don't do
Speaker 1: anything because I'm overwhelmed with fear. I mean, you're my
Speaker 1: Matt's a Libra. Yeah, so we're like I get you,
Speaker 1: get me. I was really excited when I found out
Speaker 1: she was gonna be a Libra. I was like, we're
Speaker 1: on the cusp of virgo libra. Either or I would
Speaker 1: not mind. But I was like, if she's a Libra,
Speaker 1: she's like Matt super chill. I don't know. Two areas
Speaker 1: in the house could be really crazy. What's an aries,
Speaker 1: what's the what's what's the I mean people say we're
Speaker 1: a little hardheaded, um, a little stubborn. Um are you
Speaker 1: super independent? Yeah? I am, But I'm also like being
Speaker 1: with a Libra, like you need an area's in your life.
Speaker 1: You need me to like kind of you know, set
Speaker 1: the tone a little bit. Sure. So um, so, like
Speaker 1: how did you decide to share the process of being
Speaker 1: pregnant YouTube, like how did you do it? You know,
Speaker 1: we kind of thought about it and at the beginning
Speaker 1: we were like, Okay, I want to feel this process
Speaker 1: just because like it's gonna be shot professionally, and like
Speaker 1: that would be funny to look back and for her
Speaker 1: to look back. And there wasn't really anything I was
Speaker 1: too scared to show because I still at the end
Speaker 1: of the day would have some control, right, But even then,
Speaker 1: I mean in the editing room, we left everything in there.
Speaker 1: So I wanted people to kind of see this whole
Speaker 1: journey because you know, maybe one person out there could
Speaker 1: relate to some sort of thing or find something funny
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. So that's why we decided to do
Speaker 1: the show. But when it came time to thinking if
Speaker 1: we were going to put Alice's face out there or
Speaker 1: what we're we going to do at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I just had to think. Unfortunately, if you
Speaker 1: were to google anybody's kid, even if you don't, you
Speaker 1: can sometimes see it. Of course, for me, I was
Speaker 1: just like I don't ever want somebody to fight or
Speaker 1: like really trying a creepy way to get a photo
Speaker 1: like let me be in control of everything first, so
Speaker 1: that I put it out and people know when you
Speaker 1: see it. Now, how much I'll put her out, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm kind of just going with the flow
Speaker 1: with this entire thing. So for right now, I mean,
Speaker 1: is she going to look the same way right now?
Speaker 1: Listen later? No, And I don't know when she's a
Speaker 1: little bit older, am I going to continue to post her?
Speaker 1: Maybe I won't. For right now, I'm like I am.
Speaker 1: It feels good to you until it does to me,
Speaker 1: until until it doesn't. Thank you, we were talking about
Speaker 1: before we started again recording. Sorry guys, and now, um,
Speaker 1: there's been nothing thus far knock on Wood that has
Speaker 1: really sent you spiraling, which I also think it's very
Speaker 1: inspiring for our listens to hear, because look, Katie's crib
Speaker 1: is a safe space and a lot of moms come
Speaker 1: on and are having a rough time, and like, this
Speaker 1: is very inspiring for us all to hear that you
Speaker 1: you're just rocking and moment well, And let me also
Speaker 1: preface that with I have help first and formant, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I had somebody help us
Speaker 1: with nights for the first month, so that we were
Speaker 1: able to sleep, and I had that feel weird to
Speaker 1: you at all and loved it at the same time
Speaker 1: because I was still watching the monitors and I love
Speaker 1: everybody that took care of her. But it was really difficult.
Speaker 1: So that was hard. There were definitely a few nights
Speaker 1: there where I'm just like, oh my gosh, I just
Speaker 1: go in and get her, like I should be doing this.
Speaker 1: I should be doing this. Um And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: like it's been sweet, it's but this is kind of no.
Speaker 1: But there hasn't been any sort of like you didn't
Speaker 1: struggle with postpartum depression. No, I struggled with pre So
Speaker 1: that was something that was difficult, and I actually thought
Speaker 1: I was going to have a hard time with post
Speaker 1: just because I don't know, I had an inkling. But
Speaker 1: with her and because of the help that we were
Speaker 1: really are really fortunate to have, it's made it a
Speaker 1: lot easier. So, I mean that is like you said,
Speaker 1: it's right now, she's going to get into tea lenge,
Speaker 1: She's gonna get in a lot of other things. We
Speaker 1: haven't slept trained or let Yeah, there's all these things.
Speaker 1: We're really intuitively parenting is what I like to call it.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I'm doing it right or wrong.
Speaker 1: That goes to your chill nature, like you're just like
Speaker 1: day by day as things come your way and how
Speaker 1: things come in and out of your life. Tell me
Speaker 1: about so pre depression, like you had a big bout
Speaker 1: of it before she was here. Before she was here,
Speaker 1: when I was probably like war four months, three or
Speaker 1: four or five months, those were like the worst times.
Speaker 1: And I was almost just like, oh my gosh, like
Speaker 1: I'm now going to be a mom, and now being
Speaker 1: a mom, of course, I'm like this is amazing. I
Speaker 1: feel like a superwoman. But before I was, I was
Speaker 1: scared because I'm like, you can't go back, Like now
Speaker 1: you're okay, so I'm not like like cute, single, available girl,
Speaker 1: like I'll have a kid, Like it was really hard
Speaker 1: for me to get that. And and then I was
Speaker 1: just like and then this commitment, you know with Matt,
Speaker 1: like we're all like there's no disappearing here, like now
Speaker 1: we're doing this, We're in it, oh my gosh. And
Speaker 1: there was just a lot of that and a lot
Speaker 1: of like, is it's going to change my lifestyles, It's
Speaker 1: going to change how people look at me, Like am
Speaker 1: I still cool? Like truly, all these thoughts went ran
Speaker 1: through my mind. And then in addition to that, I
Speaker 1: wasn't telling anybody at that point. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: tell anybody. I felt super lone that was on the road,
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of jealousy because I was like,
Speaker 1: you're continuing to live your life just like you had
Speaker 1: prior to the this, and I'm now like, I can't drink,
Speaker 1: I can't do this, I can't do that, Like this
Speaker 1: is really confining and I don't like being confined. How
Speaker 1: do you feel? Now? Do you feel? I feel great?
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, I have tried not
Speaker 1: to really miss a b Like I continue to live
Speaker 1: my life and she is the most amazing thing that's
Speaker 1: ever happened to it. But I am still myself. I
Speaker 1: just now added another role, you know, into my repertoire,
Speaker 1: Like now I'm like also a mom, like add to
Speaker 1: the multi hyphen it And that's how I look at it.
Speaker 1: And I want her to see that I have continued
Speaker 1: to be myself because I would not want her to
Speaker 1: do the same thing when she you know, if she
Speaker 1: does go through this process herself. But um, I don't
Speaker 1: know that's what my mom is still to me. My
Speaker 1: mom had my brother and I and then went to work,
Speaker 1: and I just saw her hustle and then come back
Speaker 1: and still be like the best mom ever. And she
Speaker 1: made it look so effortless. And that's what I'm like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: It definitely is an effortless but like she made it
Speaker 1: look like that. I'm that's what I'm aspiring to. How's
Speaker 1: your work life balance? So your mom worked and that
Speaker 1: she went back to work. I had a big effect
Speaker 1: on you because you were like, Wow, it's possible. So
Speaker 1: my mom was a stay at home mom, which was
Speaker 1: like who when I had? I went back to work
Speaker 1: when Alby was eight weeks old, But it was such
Speaker 1: I called my mom and I was like, and I
Speaker 1: think my mom did a really great job raising my
Speaker 1: brother and myself. And I was like, I feel like
Speaker 1: a failure already. I feel like I should have I
Speaker 1: feel like I can't believe I'm making this choice, but
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to raise my son with a bunch
Speaker 1: of other people, Like it's not going to be me
Speaker 1: by myself at all. Also, the two weeks my nanny
Speaker 1: was sick and I was by myself with him. It
Speaker 1: was like I was terrible at it and I didn't
Speaker 1: like it or myself. Um that's not to say someone
Speaker 1: I have, Oh my god, I have a very good
Speaker 1: friend who was a hot shot, like top of the
Speaker 1: game lawyer. She had her daughter completely done, quit her job,
Speaker 1: wanted to be home. It's her how that that's what
Speaker 1: felt right and good to her. Um, so your mom
Speaker 1: worked and you were like, that's going to be my
Speaker 1: story and how I was very much prior to having Alice.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not taking time off. I'm getting
Speaker 1: right back into it. Like this isn't going to change that.
Speaker 1: We all say that, right exactly. That is a bullshit statement, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and it was because, you know, after having her, I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, and I'm gonna slow things down.
Speaker 1: Like I hardly took a lot of photos. I wish
Speaker 1: I took more, but I was so present and so
Speaker 1: in the moment with her for that first little bit
Speaker 1: that it was amazing, you know, And um, did you
Speaker 1: have a maternity leave. I'm not shooting a show right now,
Speaker 1: so I'm kind of like it's whenever I decide, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like picking up my phone and I'll text a bit,
Speaker 1: but it's I didn't really I didn't take an official leave. No,
Speaker 1: like people still had access to me. Sure, I just
Speaker 1: got back to them when I was ready. Great, So
Speaker 1: it was nice. Yeah, great. Um, tell me about your
Speaker 1: birth story. I remember listening to you or when I
Speaker 1: was pregnant. I was like, oh my god, I think
Speaker 1: I was out of my mind when I recorded that.
Speaker 1: I feel like I need to well know, I know it,
Speaker 1: I love it, but I need to like because your
Speaker 1: birth story, this is odd. I think it changes. I
Speaker 1: think your memory of it changes. Well, obviously you're changes
Speaker 1: because people have more than exactly, so like your memory
Speaker 1: of it definitely changes. What is your story at the moment,
Speaker 1: Today's story at the moment. From what I can remember,
Speaker 1: it was like hours or something. It was you were induced.
Speaker 1: I was induced. My water broke. I got out of
Speaker 1: the shower, and I was like, oh, crazy, like this
Speaker 1: is what it feels like. It's kind of nice, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was like chilling at home for
Speaker 1: the first three hours, and then I always knew I
Speaker 1: was going to go to the hospital. I myself feel
Speaker 1: comfortable in a hospital more so than I would at home. Um,
Speaker 1: so you know. I called my doctor and I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: can you meet me here. He was like, oh, you
Speaker 1: could probably labor more at home. I'm like, no, I
Speaker 1: feel more comfortable at the hospital. So I felt there
Speaker 1: very similar. Yeah, like very I was like getting me
Speaker 1: in the hands of professional exactly and the same. So
Speaker 1: I went over there and then you know, obviously like
Speaker 1: not a lot was happening. So then they were like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you potosa and I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 1: remember this from all the stories that I've heard potos
Speaker 1: and equals epidural. I'm like, I'm trying too, but if
Speaker 1: it does, then cool. I had no birth plan. It
Speaker 1: was really just like again, go with the front. It
Speaker 1: was go with the flow because I mean, you can't
Speaker 1: play it for this ship. I'm sorry, but like you
Speaker 1: have a long list. It is so inspiring. Like I'm
Speaker 1: just like, whoa, I need a dose on the regular.
Speaker 1: So I went in they gave me pots in and
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, these are getting real. And
Speaker 1: at that point I wanted to murder Matt when he
Speaker 1: was sleeping because I was on the ball, like crying
Speaker 1: like this is crazy, and I like almost was just
Speaker 1: trying to prove to my dula in a way which
Speaker 1: she didn't even care. But I was like, no, I
Speaker 1: could do this for you, like if it was if
Speaker 1: she wasn't in the very similar my dula. When I
Speaker 1: called for the epidural, I looked at her and I said,
Speaker 1: I feel like you're disappointed to say and she said
Speaker 1: I am not. But I was putting that on her.
Speaker 1: She was they really couldn't care. It wasn't that, you know,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm sorry. She's like stop. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: you're good, and I'm gonna do it. Um. Anyway, so
Speaker 1: then I got the epidurl and I was like, why
Speaker 1: didn't I do this before? Like next time? Personally, I'm
Speaker 1: walking in, give me the epidore watch a Netflix like
Speaker 1: that's what I'm doing. Um. But then there was a
Speaker 1: weird part with that too, because my legs were so
Speaker 1: numb and Matt kept doing this thing. He'd come over,
Speaker 1: lift my legs up and then drop them and be like, whoa,
Speaker 1: you really can't feel them. I was like, bro, like
Speaker 1: I can't stop doing that because I'm gonna have bruises
Speaker 1: when I wake up from this. Okay anyways, no, um,
Speaker 1: but it was. That was frustrating because that whole part
Speaker 1: where I couldn't do anything because she wasn't moving was
Speaker 1: frustrating because you're not comfortable even with the upper dolls.
Speaker 1: It's very weird feeling to have your legs go completely weird,
Speaker 1: you know. And then I was like, what if there's
Speaker 1: a fire drill or I need to get up? Like
Speaker 1: That's when I started having those thoughts. For a second,
Speaker 1: let those pass, and then, um, the pushing part. It
Speaker 1: was eleven minutes. I remember my doctor was so incredible,
Speaker 1: came in like throughout the entire time. Um, he came
Speaker 1: in and he was like, all right, your dial lated,
Speaker 1: let's go. I pushed. It was eleven minutes, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, I mean that feeling there's you can't
Speaker 1: like to anybody, you just can't. It's like I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: there's a baby, whoa, that's mine. Oh this is real,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just it's it's like the craziest
Speaker 1: high you could ever have. As nuts. It's so remarkable.
Speaker 1: I really I really think it's the closest however your
Speaker 1: baby comes to you. I just really think it's like
Speaker 1: it's a real fucking superhero movement for sure. It's just
Speaker 1: superhero for sure. Like it's so crazy. Um, so you
Speaker 1: guys did choose a duela? Um did you like having that?
Speaker 1: They're so happy I did. And I was not thinking
Speaker 1: I was going to do that before, Like when I
Speaker 1: heard people get deals, I'm like, Okay, that's like, what
Speaker 1: are they gonna do? No, she was incredible And when
Speaker 1: the times when Matt was sleeping and I wanted to
Speaker 1: kill him, she stopped me. And so it was really
Speaker 1: good to have her in the room because she was
Speaker 1: awake with me and she just calmed me down everything
Speaker 1: about her. So I mean I would do it again.
Speaker 1: She too. Yeah, And I was a think birth. I
Speaker 1: think it used to be. I think it's different in
Speaker 1: other places in the world, but I think, you know,
Speaker 1: it's interesting when you do it at a hospital. Nurses
Speaker 1: are changing absolutely shifts all the time, and you could
Speaker 1: have a labor that's over multiple days and you're most
Speaker 1: of the time. If you have a partner, they don't
Speaker 1: they don't know what then they're now. So it's just
Speaker 1: so amazing. And your doctors and show up till the end.
Speaker 1: So showed up for me. About the entire process for
Speaker 1: a lot of people. It's not so I know that
Speaker 1: there's one person who's been through a billion birds. Hopefully
Speaker 1: if you go with an experienced DULA who is on
Speaker 1: your case from start to finish, and I'll tell you
Speaker 1: when they I think it's like they move you from
Speaker 1: the labor and delivery room to the recovery room, and
Speaker 1: she like packed up all of our ship and like,
Speaker 1: thank God, like that small thing. I was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't have legs, they don't work. Um, my husband's
Speaker 1: out of his mind, just met his son, and like
Speaker 1: I need someone else to help, like bring together my
Speaker 1: toothbrush on my into It was cool because she would
Speaker 1: also get my parents were in town for two weeks beforehand,
Speaker 1: which anyways, Um, so they that would you recommend the
Speaker 1: next time? I'm like, next time I going to labor,
Speaker 1: I'll call you. Because they live in Vancouver. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'll call you when I go to labor next time,
Speaker 1: so you can be here at that moment instead of
Speaker 1: waiting two weeks before. Because that put a lot of parsons.
Speaker 1: This is stressful now because you guys are here and like,
Speaker 1: who knows how late she's going to come. I don't
Speaker 1: know but no, going back to the Andre, she was
Speaker 1: incredible because she also like knew when I wanted everybody
Speaker 1: out of the room, and she had a way of
Speaker 1: doing it that didn't insult them. She can play the
Speaker 1: bad cop. She played the bad cop and it was great. Um,
Speaker 1: so yeah, a hundred percent will have her. What was
Speaker 1: your postpartum situation? Like, like, did you love it? Were
Speaker 1: you in love immediately? I know we talked to you.
Speaker 1: Have you had pre um partum depression but not postpartum depression?
Speaker 1: Did it click in right away? Did you feel the
Speaker 1: happiest you've ever felt? Like? What did you feel? It
Speaker 1: was wild? And I feel like, I'm so grateful for
Speaker 1: the amazing nurses I had at theaters. I truly wanted
Speaker 1: to stay in the room with them forever, Like it
Speaker 1: was such a pleasant experience that I had with them.
Speaker 1: They made it so lovely and helped me out with
Speaker 1: her right away. Um, you know, the breastfeeding was really
Speaker 1: interesting and painful. But I had other friends who had
Speaker 1: recently had kids too, and they were like, Shay, we're
Speaker 1: on week three. Like, if you want to continue to
Speaker 1: do it and it works for you, it's going to
Speaker 1: get better, saying that yes, and so I had that
Speaker 1: in my mind because I was like, otherwise, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I think I'm the only one with my nipples feeling
Speaker 1: like that. I would be a breastfed one more day
Speaker 1: if I hadn't had my village. And again for everyone listening,
Speaker 1: I just I cannot emphasize enough having mothers around you.
Speaker 1: You say, they're not mothers around you who are saying
Speaker 1: things like you should know none of them or this
Speaker 1: is what's best none just saying helpful things like I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit ahead of you, and in my experience
Speaker 1: it got better at eight weeks. That might not be
Speaker 1: your case exactly. That's what I can tell you. And
Speaker 1: I would hear things like that and I'd be like, okay,
Speaker 1: like they like maybe I can, maybe I can. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just feel like that's great that you had that. Um.
Speaker 1: You posted like the most speaking of breastfeeding, gorgeous photo
Speaker 1: of yourself breastfeeding back in December, and did you just
Speaker 1: get so much attenion. I mean, it's the whole normalizing
Speaker 1: breastfeeding thing is. To be honest, I wasn't even trying
Speaker 1: to do that. I was at a photo shoot with
Speaker 1: my style of seeding and then because she was there
Speaker 1: and we got a photo and I loved it and
Speaker 1: I put it out and you know, it's so interesting.
Speaker 1: It was Socian Mitchell. You didn't even like know that
Speaker 1: this would like waves. And I mean everything I've done
Speaker 1: when I was pregnant now that everything is kind of
Speaker 1: made a wave in one way or another. And like,
Speaker 1: if I really care that much, I'd be up and
Speaker 1: down every day, so I don't um. But with that,
Speaker 1: it was interesting because people were just like, how dare
Speaker 1: you make it looks so glamorous? And I'm like, I
Speaker 1: was dressed up, but it does look glamorous in this time.
Speaker 1: It does it all the time. They were thinking like
Speaker 1: maybe this was a breastfeeding photo shoot. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: I was just trying to and then you know, they're like,
Speaker 1: you make it uncomfortable for other people who don't look
Speaker 1: like this when they breast me. I'm like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to do that. I was at a photo shoot.
Speaker 1: I had a full glamb team and this is what
Speaker 1: it is. But like, let me tell you, I'm in
Speaker 1: my sweatpants majority of the time, you know. And also
Speaker 1: that's a fucking dope photo. And I hope you blowed up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I am. But I'm also like, why do when
Speaker 1: people think that we're doing things as a mother, do
Speaker 1: you always have to picture a stained shirt? It's not
Speaker 1: always like that. And that pissed me off because I
Speaker 1: was like, I am in a stain shirt most of
Speaker 1: the time, but when I am not, we can also
Speaker 1: be glamorous in a dress of feeding our child, Like,
Speaker 1: who were you to tell me? I don't know. That's
Speaker 1: my whole feeling. I don't really get that crazy about
Speaker 1: it because it makes me laugh. Did you breastfeed ever
Speaker 1: in public? Or did you feel like that in public? Did? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I just and you Like, I was sort of like,
Speaker 1: I mean again, I'm such a rule follower and type
Speaker 1: of person, but I loved sort of rebelling, like I'd
Speaker 1: be this is the one time in public I'm going
Speaker 1: to have my tid out and everyone just has to
Speaker 1: deal with it. Like I just was like, like I
Speaker 1: at first, I was like all about covering and all
Speaker 1: this stuff, and then I started hanging out with Kristen Bell,
Speaker 1: who was like, are you kidding? She was like and no,
Speaker 1: like her, Dax said that the more people that would
Speaker 1: come over, the more times she would breastfeed with her
Speaker 1: boot out, Like it's like it just it is, it
Speaker 1: is what it is. I'm just like if I'm there
Speaker 1: at the gym and I'm not like hello everybody, but
Speaker 1: like I'll just do it. I just don't think about
Speaker 1: it anymore. Like we take her out to dinner and
Speaker 1: we go to you know places out there, and I'll
Speaker 1: just take her out and beat her. You founded this
Speaker 1: incredible luxury travel line. I'm obsessed with travel. We need
Speaker 1: to talk about this. Pronounced the beautiful name for me
Speaker 1: ba ba yes, Um, tell me about the latest collection
Speaker 1: you're rolling out, Like, tell me how you're helping moms.
Speaker 1: I feel like you and I are kindred spirits in
Speaker 1: the travel world. I'm obsessed with traveling. My kid's been
Speaker 1: on a fifty seven flights in his two and a
Speaker 1: half year amazing. Um. He's been to seven countries. Travel
Speaker 1: is the one place. It's my most favorite things, more
Speaker 1: than anything on the planet. Um. And it's important. It
Speaker 1: was Honestly, I can remember when Adam and I were
Speaker 1: having we planned our son, but like we were having
Speaker 1: so many conversations. We the one time we had to
Speaker 1: go to couples therapy was because I was not. I
Speaker 1: was so scared that having a child was going to
Speaker 1: change my ability to travel because it's where I feel best,
Speaker 1: and I'm curious, how have you traveled with her? It's
Speaker 1: a big value for you as well. Obviously you have
Speaker 1: an entire line of loggage. Yes, travel for me was
Speaker 1: always I mean, like you said, it was my first love.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite thing in the entire world. And you know,
Speaker 1: when I was traveling, I always kind of look at
Speaker 1: other people's bags and I look at my own bags,
Speaker 1: and yes, you know, the stuff that was super funsy
Speaker 1: but still to me doesn't seem as functional was always
Speaker 1: way out of my budget. And the stuff, you know
Speaker 1: that was affordable, it was just looked affordable, like looked
Speaker 1: very cheap, and it was cheap and fell apart, and
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, I need something in the
Speaker 1: middle that, you know, it was functional and cute and
Speaker 1: maybe just a solid color, like maybe not paink with unicorns.
Speaker 1: I love unicorns, but maybe I don't always want that
Speaker 1: where I'm getting affordable luggage, like I want just cheek
Speaker 1: luggage that has really functional and so I'd be on
Speaker 1: the plane. I just draw up these ideas. You know,
Speaker 1: it could be the weight indicator that we added to
Speaker 1: our luggage, because all the times that I go there,
Speaker 1: there's weight indicates you lift the handle and as the floor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, because I don't wear a genius who thinks
Speaker 1: to buy literally who's standing on a scale and then
Speaker 1: I'm having a hold the scale, Well, I'm on it.
Speaker 1: It's so dup. I'm gonna you're good. I'll send you.
Speaker 1: And it was everything from like the handle, you know,
Speaker 1: I remember being like, if I'm running to a flight,
Speaker 1: like the handle would really cramp my hand and when
Speaker 1: I was holding it, so I put a cushion under
Speaker 1: all the handles, and people this is genious. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: it was just because I had so much experience on
Speaker 1: the road and on the go, I'd come up with
Speaker 1: these things that I selfishly wanted to create for myself.
Speaker 1: You know, Like sitting there and looking at the airplane
Speaker 1: pocket in front of you, I was like, that's disgusting.
Speaker 1: There needs to be a pocket that I can put
Speaker 1: in so my laptop and stuff I don't have to
Speaker 1: go reaching forward in the pocket. So I thought organizer exactly.
Speaker 1: So all these different things kept coming to me and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what. You know, people would
Speaker 1: have been asking like, or you need to have a
Speaker 1: makeup line, You're gonna do a clothing line? Like I
Speaker 1: love those things, but I don't have an interest in
Speaker 1: doing them. I really want to go into the travel
Speaker 1: market because I feel like there's a white space for
Speaker 1: it and that I can fill um. And so that's
Speaker 1: kind of how Base came about. And now most recently,
Speaker 1: we just dropped our diaper bag collection, which I'm super
Speaker 1: excited about because when I was looking for bags, you know,
Speaker 1: it was like the two designer ones and then the
Speaker 1: other ones that to me personally, I wasn't into. They
Speaker 1: looked like diaper bags. And I don't want to ride
Speaker 1: away be like, oh you have diapers in there. No,
Speaker 1: I want to be able to take it to a
Speaker 1: meeting and then I have my daughter with me and
Speaker 1: people be like that's a cute bag, no matter if
Speaker 1: their mother or not, you know. And so that's how
Speaker 1: our diaper bag collection came about. And truly, if you
Speaker 1: take out the changing pad, it's a chic bag. It's
Speaker 1: just a ch Why are we just why are diaper
Speaker 1: bags so shitty? I don't know, I really don't know,
Speaker 1: because It's like, why, like they're carrying shooty things inside, Like,
Speaker 1: can we just not make it look like just I
Speaker 1: don't hate when things scream, like because I have a
Speaker 1: functional and so people are crazy. To be functional, they
Speaker 1: don't have to look like diaper bags. We're literally doing
Speaker 1: the sickest diaper bag backpack that I'm like, I can't.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about this because it transforms into like
Speaker 1: a different kind of bag, two bags. I'm just going
Speaker 1: to leave it at that, but I'm telling you, it's
Speaker 1: a transformer. It's a transformer. It's chicaf and the stuff
Speaker 1: that we have coming for Mom's babies, all of that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and the travel world is so exciting.
Speaker 1: This is this is good. Um, So with that, have
Speaker 1: you taken Atlas on trips? Yes? I took her too Thancouver.
Speaker 1: I feel it was her first trip to visit my grandma,
Speaker 1: and so that was incredible. Um, she did a plane ride,
Speaker 1: we did a helicopter ride to the island, and then
Speaker 1: after that we had to go to Paris. So I
Speaker 1: took her to Paris and it was I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think she's truly my child and living
Speaker 1: into her name. Because she loves an airplane. Like she
Speaker 1: is great. You know, she's up and then she'll sleep,
Speaker 1: but for right now, for right now, because I could
Speaker 1: just hear people being like, wait until like she crawls,
Speaker 1: wait until she It was really only bad for us
Speaker 1: when he learned how to walk, because it was like
Speaker 1: cajing a gorilla. He doesn't have to sit for six hours.
Speaker 1: He wants to keep practicing, and he wants to go
Speaker 1: up and down the aisles and he wants to crawl,
Speaker 1: and we did. I mean, I've never gotten in that
Speaker 1: many steps ever. See, I'm excited for that moment because
Speaker 1: that's when Matt's going to take over. You know, that's
Speaker 1: up and down. I'll be here and then we'll go
Speaker 1: and hang out in the bathroom for like three like
Speaker 1: a while, and he just pulls out all the toilet
Speaker 1: paper and all the stuff. UM tell me about um
Speaker 1: any self care routine tips like are you like a meditator?
Speaker 1: How do you're just chill as fuck? Like I'm not,
Speaker 1: because because what's the alternative? Like are you sleeping out?
Speaker 1: Did you sleep immediately? But I don't really sleep. I
Speaker 1: didn't sleep prior to Atlas that much like I don't
Speaker 1: really sleep a lot. That was the one benefit of
Speaker 1: me going into this is that I wasn't used to
Speaker 1: having a lot of sleep regardless. But to me, I'm
Speaker 1: always asking, I'm like, is this a crazy big deal
Speaker 1: whatever it is that I'm you know, in and will
Speaker 1: we be like what's the alternative? Dressing out and freaking
Speaker 1: out and then what like that doesn't accomplish anything either,
Speaker 1: and like no one wants to be around that. And
Speaker 1: like Matt super chill too. He's a little bit more
Speaker 1: of a hypochondract than I am, but I bring him
Speaker 1: back down. I'm like, she's fine, You're fine. Has she
Speaker 1: had like a major cold or throw I had diarrheas,
Speaker 1: I had a january and and you know I had
Speaker 1: heard and read. I was like, oh but if I'm
Speaker 1: resting her, she won't get it. If she got it,
Speaker 1: so she Yeah. It was It was, you know, so
Speaker 1: sad because but he was right there with the whole
Speaker 1: like snot sucker. I couldn't do that. I still can't,
Speaker 1: but he's a pro at it and like Sailene snot Sucker,
Speaker 1: like he was getting in there and totally crushing it
Speaker 1: with her. Um, but it were you afraid. Ever, No,
Speaker 1: fear is not your go to. It's just but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not because it's like that doesn't help anything. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm super cautious. Trust me, Like I have hands, Sandy,
Speaker 1: I'm always prepared to the max. I'm prepared, but I'm
Speaker 1: not going to stress out because I also feel like
Speaker 1: that energy in my mind sufconsciously, like through osmosis and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I truly believe that it can seep
Speaker 1: into them sometimes and then cause her to be a
Speaker 1: little bit more anxious. I don't want that. I want
Speaker 1: to be like even Keel super cool. So if she
Speaker 1: is scared, you know, she's like, oh, but I don't
Speaker 1: feel it from you, so we're good. You know. It's
Speaker 1: like how you look at the flight attendants on the plane.
Speaker 1: I'm always like, Okay, is she okay, she's not looking
Speaker 1: like she's freaking out. We're good. I need to be
Speaker 1: that flight attendant at all times for them. You know,
Speaker 1: do you ever feel mom guilt? Is that a thing
Speaker 1: for you or is it? Because like I said, I
Speaker 1: want her to know that, Like I'm continuing, the better
Speaker 1: I feel and the better my mind is, the better
Speaker 1: I'm going to be for her, you know, the happier
Speaker 1: I am, And like that's really important for me. I
Speaker 1: have to go out and I need to go and
Speaker 1: do my workouts fit that in. I need to fit
Speaker 1: in my time with my girlfriends without her there. I
Speaker 1: need to fit out in times with Matt you know
Speaker 1: where it's she's not there, so that like my sanity
Speaker 1: is good and when I come back, she's getting That's
Speaker 1: really the thing that Troy and said that didn't try.
Speaker 1: I think Troyan on her podcast was like, it's the
Speaker 1: whole I put my mask on first on the airplane
Speaker 1: bringing it back to Tremble, but like you put your
Speaker 1: mask on first, so you feel God, s Mitchell, you're inspiration. Good.
Speaker 1: Let's just say how amazing it is to have a
Speaker 1: Troy and Bellisario in our lives too. Is im oh
Speaker 1: my last weekend And like she's like French and all
Speaker 1: sign language and all the stuff. I'm like in French
Speaker 1: to her child and sign language. It's so dumb. But
Speaker 1: she also is also a very chill mom. She is
Speaker 1: also very chill. Um I would say, between us and
Speaker 1: all the listeners, I think you're even chiller, which is
Speaker 1: incredible to me. Um I think she's my chill mom friend,
Speaker 1: like she's the one, and wow, you're even more so.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Um um, what is next for you? Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, are you like ready to jump in and
Speaker 1: have another baby now? And Matt was like, why don't
Speaker 1: you just like you know, get it done, yeah, run
Speaker 1: it back? And I'm like, well you want to. I'd
Speaker 1: be more than happy to support you on your journey
Speaker 1: of you delivering one. But for me, right now, I
Speaker 1: want to enjoy her and I want to see her
Speaker 1: like grow up a little bit and walk and do
Speaker 1: all these like little important first things with her right now.
Speaker 1: And then you know, who knows, who knows, who knows
Speaker 1: what's going to happen for the next one, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I'm enjoying it right now and it's
Speaker 1: and yeah's next for you? Work wise? Work wise? Going
Speaker 1: back to work on doll phase per season two? Where
Speaker 1: does it l A? I know that dream? I know
Speaker 1: it's really nice. And you mean having the other girls
Speaker 1: on the show too is awesome because she'll have like
Speaker 1: three other like aunties. Are you the only mom on
Speaker 1: the show of Yes, that's great and important. That's an
Speaker 1: important torch to carry. I always think, no matter what
Speaker 1: job place you're in, if you are the first to
Speaker 1: be you know, doing the mom journey, it's like you're
Speaker 1: really setting precedent for a lot of people who worked there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they said the same thing when I was pregnant,
Speaker 1: because they're like funck sha, like now when we're bring
Speaker 1: we can't complain about this stuff. And I was like,
Speaker 1: because because you didn't come because I was pregnant at
Speaker 1: six months shooting these shows and like and it was
Speaker 1: you know, like we all know, crazy long hours. I
Speaker 1: was wearing heels, that's my character war. I was so
Speaker 1: like obsessed with her being this like fashionista person. So
Speaker 1: I was like, well more heels better. And that was
Speaker 1: at three months. Six months. I was like, don't fit exactly,
Speaker 1: but no, it was it was. It was good and
Speaker 1: it was fun and it was like cool that I
Speaker 1: proved it to myself I could do it. At the end,
Speaker 1: I was ready for it to be done because I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I can't go on any longer. And
Speaker 1: I don't know who saw it, but I'd highly suggest
Speaker 1: running diapers if you're still probably like that to me.
Speaker 1: I wore diapers. Yeah, I wore diapers on Broadway. Oh amazing.
Speaker 1: Like I was like horrified because I hadn't done anything
Speaker 1: like really physical and I just six a month old
Speaker 1: and we were doing like lifts and throws and I
Speaker 1: was running, and I was like, I don't know, guys,
Speaker 1: this could come out of left field and I could
Speaker 1: just dump a whole lot of yurine all over this
Speaker 1: Broadway st and diapers. Prior to that, I'm saying, when
Speaker 1: I was on set shooting those long hours, I was
Speaker 1: like the bathrooms all the way. Okay, basing What is
Speaker 1: your advice for new moms out there, I would say,
Speaker 1: don't stress yourself out because in your mind you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this right. I'm not perfect. Like look
Speaker 1: by the way, your kids not holding a grudge. They're
Speaker 1: not keeping tally of what you're doing right or what
Speaker 1: you're doing wrong. They're really not. They want you to
Speaker 1: love them and give them attention, and I mean they
Speaker 1: feed off that energy. I truly believe that. So when
Speaker 1: you were super stressed out, I mean, just try and
Speaker 1: pull it back a little bit and be like what
Speaker 1: I got this, you got this, you got this. And
Speaker 1: also you can reach out to someone who can help
Speaker 1: you absolutely, and there are always there's places you can
Speaker 1: go to talk about things if you're not feeling well.
Speaker 1: There's so many amazing places out there. Wow, incredible, and
Speaker 1: you're not even like a meditator for twenty minutes a
Speaker 1: day now. And my parents, my dad took me to
Speaker 1: meditation when I was younger, So I still like, maybe
Speaker 1: that's wow, it all sunk. Maybe dads are like I
Speaker 1: have no idea. A lot of those self help books,
Speaker 1: he'd always have it on a books. Maybe that played
Speaker 1: a part two. But you can tell us what meditation
Speaker 1: school you're dad took you to, or what audio tapes
Speaker 1: he was putting on it. If we played them for
Speaker 1: our children, they might be really chill like you. Um,
Speaker 1: but thank you so much for being on Katie's Crib.
Speaker 1: This was so helpful and also just so beautiful to
Speaker 1: talk to a mom who's rocking it. Um, Atlas is
Speaker 1: beautiful and you are beautiful, And thank you so much
Speaker 1: of you. Thank you, thank you for having me. H,
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for listening to episode one
Speaker 1: of the two part episode finale of Katie's Crib Season three.
Speaker 1: I invite you all to listen to episode two with
Speaker 1: Shae Mitchell in February of one Let's Hear How Shay
Speaker 1: Mitchell's motherhood journey has e ball. Katie's Crib is a
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