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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to the Official Yellowstone Podcast. We

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Speaker 1: are so glad you can join us again. I'm Jen

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Speaker 1: Landon and I am joined us always by my very

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Speaker 1: good friend mister Jefferson White.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Jen, how you doing. I am happy as always

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Speaker 2: to be here with you today, but also especially today.

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Speaker 2: So this is typically where we tell you, We tell

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Speaker 2: the audience a little bit about what we've got planned

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Speaker 2: for the day, We perhaps let them know who our

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Speaker 2: guest of the day is. However, this week just so

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Speaker 2: happens to be a very special week Valentine's Days this week,

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Speaker 2: so I thought I might put together a little something special.

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Speaker 2: Me and the producers have put together a little something special,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to be surprising you with our guest, Jen. So,

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Speaker 2: like our audience, you're also going to have to sit

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Speaker 2: tight for just a little bit longer.

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Speaker 1: Jeff, This makes me incredibly nervous. This could be very

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Speaker 1: very good or very very awkward.

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing it's going to be a little bit calm,

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Speaker 2: a little bit calm be Jen. Listen, you're gonna find

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Speaker 2: out soon, but for now you're gonna have to sit

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Speaker 2: and stew and sweat, and we're gonna come right back after.

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Speaker 1: This, Jeff. That was the longest commercial break of my life.

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Speaker 1: Can I can I now know who my Valentine's guest

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Speaker 1: is for the day?

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Speaker 2: Listen? This is an audio format, so the audience can't

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Speaker 2: know how gleefully, how gleefully I'm raising my eyebrows, and

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Speaker 2: rubbing my hands together sort of fiendishly. Listen. You gotta

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Speaker 2: be patient, Jen, We're gonna get to that. This is

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Speaker 2: our Valentine's Day episode. However, so let's talk romance.

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Speaker 1: Huh yeah, Please distract me with some other romances from

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Speaker 1: the Yellowstone nineteen twenty three eighteen three universe. So I can,

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Speaker 1: you know, not sit here and sweat?

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Speaker 2: Well, it is funny. I mean, this is a show

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Speaker 2: that is in a lot of ways really built on

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Speaker 2: these relationships. You know, we see over and over again

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Speaker 2: amongst the Dutton generations, we see these pairs, these partnerships,

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Speaker 2: these two partners that support each other in many ways.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's support each other physically, you know. Sometimes it's

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Speaker 2: helping each other manage responsibilities. It's a really beautiful thing.

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Speaker 2: We see these really rich partnerships, and it also casts

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Speaker 2: in a new light the tragedy of John Dutton Junior,

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Speaker 2: our John Dutton, you know, in Yellowstone, the John Dutton

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Speaker 2: that we first got to know, the tragedy that he

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Speaker 2: again we hear him saying, if my wife only saw

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Speaker 1: Right. And so you bring up an interesting point of

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Speaker 1: John is obviously bringing in his life through Senator Perry

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Speaker 1: through Summer, but that those romances are different than the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've seen both on Yellowstone we've seen hot and heavy,

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Speaker 2: We've seen you know, we've seen infatuation. Everybody's talking about

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Speaker 2: the years from one that was perhaps based on you know,

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Speaker 1: Show same and while they do feel totally Romeo and

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Speaker 1: don't know if we see that in another pairing. Do

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Speaker 1: we see that in another pairing on Yellowstone? In that

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Speaker 2: The kid, right, I think part of it is having

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Speaker 2: and I really think that's a dry thing that you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is actually a really good point, Jeff I

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Speaker 1: suddenly was struck with this this question, which is, how

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Speaker 1: do we think the different couples on Yellowstone are celebrating

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Speaker 1: Valentine's Day? You know, like, like how do they do it?

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Speaker 1: So Monica and Casey since we started there, you know Monica,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're trying to be intimate. And Tate has a

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Speaker 2: the room by her hair. Yeah. Listen, Jen, speaking of

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Speaker 2: what various couples are doing on Valentine's Day, folks are

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Speaker 2: gonna wonder what it is we're up to on Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 2: I have no doubt you're wondering.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Jeff, I need to know who is the guest

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Speaker 1: for the day. All right, Jen, which ex?

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna put you out of your misery. I've got

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Speaker 2: all your ex you'r all your exes on this call.

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Speaker 2: No listen, and you're gonna so here's your happy surprise.

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Speaker 2: Over the course of this introduction, you will realize who

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about, because I could only be talking about

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Speaker 2: one man. We've got with us today, my dear friend

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Speaker 2: one of the most multi hyphenit talented people I've ever

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Speaker 2: plays your love and Yellowstone Colby. We've got with us today,

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Speaker 2: Denim Richards Denham, thank you for being here.

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Speaker 3: Oh man. I feel like I need to take you

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Speaker 3: and introduce me everywhere. When I go into grocery stores,

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Speaker 3: I need to do, literally anything. So it's great to

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Speaker 3: be It's great to hear you guys's voice. Jen, how

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Speaker 3: are you? Jen?

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Speaker 1: I'm always happy to see you, but I have to say,

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Speaker 1: I've never been more happy than I am right now

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Speaker 1: to see you because of the terror I experienced for

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Speaker 1: the last twelve minutes thinking that Jeff had brought some

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Speaker 3: Do you imagine if there's like a roulette, imagine like

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Speaker 1: Xces to tell you there aren't that many, like, don't

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Speaker 2: It's more like, yeah, we're bringing.

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Speaker 3: In I'm I'm clearly projected at this point. This is

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Speaker 2: And now that we've got you here, Dnim, I'm so

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Speaker 1: Both of us. At some point, it had to happen,

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Speaker 3: It's like unbelievable. What's going on? Guys, how's everything? How's

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Speaker 2: We're good man, We're chilling, We're spending today, we're talking

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Speaker 2: about we're diving in. So at the core of the

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Speaker 2: our our touchy feely intimate Valentine's Day episode of the

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Speaker 2: Official Yellowstone Podcast. So we're talking about all the incredible

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Speaker 2: couples of Yellowstone eighteen eighty three and nineteen twenty three.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so naturally, when you were thinking super loving, super intimate,

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Speaker 2: there's another You know, intimacy takes a lot of forms.

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Speaker 3: It's true, this is true, This is true.

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Speaker 3: And that to me is like the couple that everybody

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Speaker 3: We're all striving for that. I think like Lloyd and

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Speaker 2: You know, Lloyd in the Life, the Cowboy Life. You know,

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Speaker 3: split up, that person actually leaves. Yeah, right, So like

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Speaker 3: we as individuals we feel even what the characters are feeling,

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Speaker 2: I mean, speaking of romance and the Dutton's right, So

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Speaker 2: all of these all of these Dutton kids at this point,

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Speaker 2: You know, another relationship that I'm watching like a hawk

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Speaker 2: and a different sort of they're at a different chapter

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Speaker 2: in their lives. But I really think that's an amazing

432
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Speaker 2: sort of star cross lover's relationship.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Taylor's writing about that relationship that maybe

434
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Speaker 1: we haven't seen yet in the sense of when you know,

435
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, there was nothing about Spencer that

436
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 1: was even looking for relationship or or wanting one. And

437
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: and it's it's that story of when when that thing

438
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 1: walks into your life, no matter how much you don't

439
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: want it, that's it, you just know. And that's what

440
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: it feels like.

441
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: He was really looking for the opposite, you know, if

442
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: love is life. It really seemed like he was chasing

443
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: his own death. And you know, his life a life,

444
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 2: a different life, a different path walked in. Oh and

445
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 2: now he's down a completely different path. Oh, Spencer. I know,

446
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: we spend a lot of time. We spent a lot

447
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: of time on this podcast talking about the big Man,

448
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 2: Spencer Dunton. He's an icon.

449
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: He's an icon because of the way he's written, and

450
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: he's an icon because of the way he's portrayed. Between

451
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: season four and season five, your life changed a lot.

452
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Speaker 1: Do you want to talk a little bit about where

453
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: you live now and how your life looks different than

454
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Speaker 1: it did before.

455
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

456
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was living in Orange County and now I

457
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 3: live in Botswana, which is in Sub Saharan Africa, which

458
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: is where I'm doing this podcast. So clearly that means

459
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 3: that there's internet and as you guys can see the

460
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 3: layers of electricity and you know, wow, what a surprise.

461
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 3: It's funny when people are like, uh, wow, running water,

462
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, guys, I'm fine, but you know it

463
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 3: was important for me. And I think that, you know,

464
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 3: with the world being more interconnected with different opportunities to

465
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 3: for zoom, there's planes go everywhere, you know, you can be.

466
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Speaker 3: I could be in Los Angeles if I needed to

467
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Speaker 3: within twenty hours, you know. So I think that at

468
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: a certain point you have to kind of figure out,

469
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Speaker 3: like what you want to do with your life, what

470
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Speaker 3: you want your life to look like. If you want

471
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Speaker 3: to have a family, what does that family structure look like,

472
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 3: and just kind of just do it. And the end

473
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Speaker 3: of the day, like as we all know, production and

474
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 3: being able to do thisseulf is such a blessing. But

475
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: also with that, like at any given moment, things to

476
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 3: just change. And then you sit there and you ask yourself,

477
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 3: what the hell did I like? What was I doing?

478
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Speaker 3: Did I get anything done in this court in the

479
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 3: course of this time, or did I build a life

480
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Speaker 3: that I always wanted to live or did I live

481
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Speaker 3: a life that everybody else wanted me to live.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome, you guys. I know our listeners are going

483
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: to be disappointed if we don't talk about our on

484
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: set relationship stuff, under our dynamic.

485
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Speaker 3: With each other.

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Speaker 1: They will be They will be it because and I

487
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Speaker 1: don't know if we've like I'm sure we've painted this

488
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: on the podcast before, but they see us on camera

489
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: having fun, playing poker, you know, doing all the things

490
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: that we do, and I feel like we do a

491
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Speaker 1: lot of that stuff into varying degrees off camera, whether

492
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Speaker 1: it's in between takes or on our free time.

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Speaker 3: I think that's why we're not talking about it as

494
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 3: much because we kind of like do a lot of

495
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: the stuff that we do on screen off screen, like

496
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Speaker 3: so I think maybe it's that's reason why we're not

497
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 3: diving deep down because we spend time together. We go

498
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: out to dinner together, some of us gym together, we

499
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 3: play poker, we you know, we go to music events, rodeos,

500
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: like all the stuff. The dynamics that we do on

501
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 3: the camera are a lot of the stuff that we

502
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 3: do outside of it. The difference is there's just not

503
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 3: six hundred people, you know, they're filming us while we're

504
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 3: doing it.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys have any favorite memories from on set

506
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Speaker 1: or offset hangs from the last four or five years?

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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

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Speaker 2: I think season one we went bowling and Wes Bentley

509
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: got so mad because he lost in bowling that he left.

510
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 3: He didn't leave, he did, he just left.

511
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Speaker 1: He did.

512
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Speaker 2: It was like it was like one of our first

513
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: big group hangs as a cast, and it's like, everybody,

514
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: are we keeping the vibes good? No? No, no, Wescott

515
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 2: in his car and fucking.

516
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Speaker 3: Lie and you know it's hard in bowling. The thing

517
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 3: that sucks and bowling is it's like it's only you.

518
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: So then like naturally, as a competitor, I'm like, I

519
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 3: want everyone to fail. But then you see the way

520
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 3: that somebody's gonna take you, Like, I really hope they

521
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 3: get a strike, Like I really hope that it goes well.

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Speaker 2: For them, and then we're hard to let somebody win

523
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: in bowling, right, I think I can do that.

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Speaker 3: By the I can't make the ball it not go

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Speaker 3: into the gutter. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We're all sitting there like just like praying, trying to

527
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Speaker 2: manifest West getting a strike.

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Speaker 3: That was so funny.

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Speaker 2: It was a big because Wes is a really good athlete.

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Speaker 2: Everything very seriously, He's an incredibly pleasant, very smart guy,

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Speaker 2: and we all of us have our days where we're

532
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: a few bad roles away from uh yeah, that's you bad.

533
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: Gutter balls away from being I mean, I think we've had,

534
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: you know, I think some of the events, you know,

535
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 3: that we've been able to go to together, Like I

536
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: think one of the things exciting, you know, when we

537
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Speaker 3: took a year off of Yellowstone and then we all

538
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 3: kind of came back, you know for a cowboy camp.

539
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 3: You know, I think that was nice just to kind

540
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 3: of reconnect again. I think sometimes that it's just like man,

541
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Speaker 3: we're like we're here, like we're doing it again. Like

542
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 3: we didn't know. Oh, we didn't know that we were

543
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: going to get the opportunity to come back, and you know,

544
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 3: here we are. So I think it's always just it's

545
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: exciting when we finally get that opportunity.

546
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Speaker 2: To do so. I wasn't there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all I'm saying. That's all I was saying.

548
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: It was a highlight.

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00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the you just that's the one time I

550
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: wasn't there. Jen, What do you got favorite memories? Oh,

551
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: we have to both be in them. We have to

552
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: both you and I have.

553
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: I think for the same I know, I know, I know.

554
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: But honestly, they're gonna act, they're going to exist a

555
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: different listen, they're going to exist at different times because

556
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Speaker 1: I think, honestly one of them. There was a hike

557
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: that we took looking for some berries. Jeff, you were there, Dunham.

558
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: You were not there, Dunham. You were like home or

559
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Speaker 1: something you had left.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty accurate.

561
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: But we went hiking for some berries and we were

562
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Speaker 1: looking for the huckleberries that we never find, which I

563
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: don't even think are that hard to find, but we

564
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Speaker 1: never find them as a group. There was, there's a

565
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: small group of us and done of my favorite like

566
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: offset stuff with you is always revolved around our obsession

567
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Speaker 1: with health.

568
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 3: Health.

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Speaker 1: So you're going to say, you know, like the the

570
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Speaker 1: insane conversations that we have in the aisles of health

571
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Speaker 1: food stores and also the time that you and Ian

572
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Speaker 1: let me work out with you guys.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I forgot.

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Speaker 2: That was sweet.

575
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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed you guys were really nice about that.

576
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: You're incredibly sweet about that.

577
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 3: No, I think, but like I think, I think it's

578
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 3: important for the audience to know, like, you know, as

579
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Speaker 3: much as we are acting on you know, camera, that

580
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Speaker 3: we actually do spend time with one another, and that

581
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Speaker 3: you know, we are highly impacted by our relationships that

582
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Speaker 3: we have because, like Jeff, like you were saying, when

583
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 3: you're in that world, you know, in Montana, and it's

584
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 3: very because it's so small and because we've been very

585
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 3: blessed that the show has gotten so big, there's not

586
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: that many places you can go and you kind of

587
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: get that opportunity to kind of bond with one another.

588
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: It's not the same thing as being New York or Elis, Chicago, Florida,

589
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: where you can kind of just get lost in all

590
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: of these other things that are going on. And I

591
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: think that I think that our relationships on off camera

592
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 3: really resonate on camera. I don't think that we're really

593
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: having to do that much acting. I think we're just

594
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 3: in the moment. I think sometimes we're just saying the

595
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: words we happen to be saying the words, and a

596
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: bunk house of saying the words, you know, on a horse.

597
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: But I think it's a It's a beautiful thing, the

598
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: relationships that we built on the show.

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00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you likes our friendship so much that he

600
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: moved content?

601
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I left. I wanted to make sure that I

602
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 3: ran into people, so I got on a flight and

603
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: left the country.

604
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. He loved the time we spent together so

605
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: much that he got as far.

606
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: Away as far away from possible.

607
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: I said, you said earlier, you were like, you know,

608
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: I can be in LA within twenty hours. And I

609
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: was like, Bro, isn't it like exactly a twenty hour flight? Yeah, well,

610
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: you mean like I can be there in twenty hours.

611
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: We one, like, I really have to think about it.

612
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 3: I got to really want to. Well, the great thing

613
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 3: about being here is like nobody's just in the neighborhood.

614
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 3: Nobody's just like, oh yeah, hey, Like I was just

615
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: in Botswana and I'm like, no, you are, like, so

616
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 3: you got to kind of tell me I'm just coming through.

617
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: I'm just popping.

618
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: Didn't we all decide? Didn't we all decide we're going

619
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Speaker 1: to BUTS wanted to hang out at Dunham. Since there's

620
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: there's such a between every time we shoot seasons, We're like, well,

621
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: might as well just go out.

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Speaker 3: Of every season. We've also said that we're going to

623
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Speaker 3: go on some magical vacation with all of us and

624
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 3: they we're like, yeah, we're gonna do that and then

625
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: we leave. But you guys, here's the reality. The good

626
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: thing is I'll be here and so anytime you guys

627
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: would like to come to Botswana, I'll be able to

628
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 3: host you. We're doing a lot of exciting things, uh

629
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Speaker 3: you know with my my company here, so uh yeah,

630
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: so anytime you guys want to come, it would be

631
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Speaker 3: it would be a blessing.

632
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us today. Thanks always

633
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: an absolute treat. Follow danim on social media where you

634
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: can get more more information about all the amazing things

635
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: he's doing. Much love Dhim, Thank you so much being

636
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Speaker 2: bed Talk to you real soon.

637
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Speaker 1: Bye.

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Speaker 2: The Official Yellowstone Podcast is a production of one oh

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Speaker 2: one Studios and Paramount. This episode was produced by Scott Stone.

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