Speaker 1: This life was all I ever wanted. I'm not leaving,
Speaker 1: not yet. I was hoping you can say that you
Speaker 1: gotta hit the streets make some money, maybe like us
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Speaker 1: All Smoke just getting started, baby, just getting started. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to a special quarantine edition of All the Smoke. Jack.
Speaker 1: What's up, Bro? What's up? My brother? You don't know that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm still got from my birthday, that birtual birthday. Bro.
Speaker 1: You got me drunk from a motherfucking zoom call. Bro.
Speaker 1: I have a hangover the next day from party I
Speaker 1: wasn't even at. I was in my own house when
Speaker 1: I got drunk. It is crazy good time, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: shout out everyone who jumped on that. We appreciate y'all. Man.
Speaker 1: Happy birthday to Jack again. Man, we got a special
Speaker 1: Bay Area legend, NBA Hall of Famer, probably the best
Speaker 1: ship talker we've ever seen. Welcome my broth and Gary Payton.
Speaker 1: What's good? What's good? Fellas with you? Man? Shoot my my, my,
Speaker 1: my nephew. You had a birthday high and you didn't
Speaker 1: want to put me on the chat man, So because
Speaker 1: you know, you know, g would have been taking them
Speaker 1: shots with us for show, that boy drinking, like I
Speaker 1: already I already knows. Yeah, I know, I know you
Speaker 1: were sot someone out in the woods. So we're hard
Speaker 1: to find you. But the next one next wee're gonna
Speaker 1: be in person. There's gonna be no videoing up the grid.
Speaker 1: So how you handling this new reality for us? You know,
Speaker 1: we're in this COVID nineteen pandemic and uh, it's it's
Speaker 1: really changed life as we know it. How are you
Speaker 1: and your family head living what you got going on
Speaker 1: with that? I'm just chilling, man. I didn't went to
Speaker 1: a little secluded spot, just be kicking and that's about it,
Speaker 1: and just trying to stay away from things like they say,
Speaker 1: you know, but you know, I gotta go outside, I
Speaker 1: gotta gotta do something. I gotta run, I gotta walked
Speaker 1: the dog, I gotta do something. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But it's it's one of these things where they don't
Speaker 1: know what's going really going on, so they want to
Speaker 1: keep people away from people that's gonna be sick and
Speaker 1: and have immune systems that can't take this stuff. So
Speaker 1: that's what the problem is because we don't know really
Speaker 1: what it is. So we gotta we gotta be safe,
Speaker 1: you know, safe with our our grandmothers or mothers who
Speaker 1: are very ill. So that's what they're really really trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, breaking down so people can stay away from
Speaker 1: right right. So we had a KG back at All
Speaker 1: Star and we were just talking about the game in
Speaker 1: the history of the game, and obviously your name always
Speaker 1: comes up. Obviously is one of the great point guards,
Speaker 1: but also one of the great ship talkers. And he
Speaker 1: told us the story, how you you back someone down
Speaker 1: from half court and you had he was in the
Speaker 1: rest ear, You was in the defender's ear, You was
Speaker 1: in the coach's ear. You was talking to everyone all
Speaker 1: by all white, still running your team. I watched GP
Speaker 1: back down the guard from uh baseline, the baseline, talking
Speaker 1: the whole time. Shut your ass up, show up, twitch, Hey,
Speaker 1: get his ass in here. Hey, come up, Hey. You
Speaker 1: see the hand on the hill calling You see he
Speaker 1: just like like he mad. You know all this, we're
Speaker 1: talking to me, you play calling the plate. He's throwing
Speaker 1: the bat like yo and still scoring the ball, stealing
Speaker 1: the ball affected in the in the huddle, he and
Speaker 1: the huddle, he got the thing, he drawing it up.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, g P to me, was like, masterful,
Speaker 1: Where does that should come from? Man? Man? Know what
Speaker 1: you know? It's coming from the streets of Oakland. Man.
Speaker 1: That's why I grew up like go. I grew up
Speaker 1: in the streets, man, So it's no you know. I
Speaker 1: used to go to every neighborhood and get down with people. Man,
Speaker 1: and my daddy used to be right there talking ship
Speaker 1: with me, and he used to back me up so
Speaker 1: NICs couldn't get out and get really get down on me.
Speaker 1: And then my brother was there too, so people was
Speaker 1: really real mad at me because I can get down
Speaker 1: and I can back it up, and I used to
Speaker 1: kill him. So it used to be fun. And it
Speaker 1: used to be fun to me, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because I can do it and talk crazy. So when
Speaker 1: I brought it to the league, they didn't know what
Speaker 1: the hell to do with it, so I took it
Speaker 1: to advantage and then I still start killing them and
Speaker 1: it was fun to me, man, and she was hell
Speaker 1: of fun just to basically, no, I can control somebody
Speaker 1: with my mouthpiece and then affect him in the game. Hey,
Speaker 1: people don't understand how hard that is to be able to. Okay, one,
Speaker 1: you got a guard guarding you from taking the ball out,
Speaker 1: You talking to him, telling him he ain't gonna take
Speaker 1: the ball. The coach saying something to the player. Why
Speaker 1: you while you driveling, you tell the coach to sit down.
Speaker 1: One of the fans say something. You tell the fans.
Speaker 1: You tell the fan, don't worrybody that I got this.
Speaker 1: He hand check in. You're talking to get his hands
Speaker 1: off me, ref, get his hands off me. Ref. Then
Speaker 1: you're telling you. Then you're telling the players, say get
Speaker 1: over there, get up, But I got this. You're backing
Speaker 1: him down. People don't understand how hard that is control
Speaker 1: the whole game. Only great players can control the whole
Speaker 1: gage and neverhing at his finest. Yeah, And you know
Speaker 1: why it was so cool because I had a coach
Speaker 1: that I let me do whatever I wanted to and
Speaker 1: Coach George call So you know, I used to always
Speaker 1: call the plays that I think was more effective for
Speaker 1: myself and then get my my teammates involved. So I
Speaker 1: used to call the play called one up where I
Speaker 1: get on the left side and it's just be one
Speaker 1: to just be one. And when Kevin was really talking
Speaker 1: about it, it was on that one side where I
Speaker 1: turned my back and I bag them down, but I'm
Speaker 1: talking to everybody at the same time, and then it's
Speaker 1: the goal. If the player he tried to he tried
Speaker 1: to come and try to steal that moment, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: spend on his ass and he threw that, then he
Speaker 1: gonna be all bad. So even though it was one
Speaker 1: of them plays where nobody could defend it, and then
Speaker 1: you know, the day they can zoom and our day,
Speaker 1: you couldn't zone like that, so everybody had to be
Speaker 1: spread it out and if I get by you and
Speaker 1: somebody start running over, then I'm gonna pick you apart
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna start giving the ball to everybody. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't like that like today's to day's game where
Speaker 1: you can sit over in the zone and then you
Speaker 1: can zone it up and then defend me and defend
Speaker 1: everybody else. To speaking of today's game, how do you
Speaker 1: feel like your game would fit in today's game? Today
Speaker 1: is completely different from obviously when you played then when
Speaker 1: Jack and I played, How do you feel like you
Speaker 1: would do in today's game? You know what, Matt. Today's game,
Speaker 1: it has changed a lot because it's more now that
Speaker 1: the three point shot is the is the weapon. On
Speaker 1: our day, we had the big man that was the weapon.
Speaker 1: And what what happened is is they took the hand
Speaker 1: checking away from that. Would they would have took the
Speaker 1: hand checking away from me, it would have been hard
Speaker 1: because you can't guard these dudes who can drill that
Speaker 1: basketball can do the things that they do because it's
Speaker 1: too hard to um to guard them. So I think
Speaker 1: it would have been a little bit different. I would
Speaker 1: have had adjust my game. But you know what, I
Speaker 1: can't let him. I can't let him get me and
Speaker 1: get me thirty and then I'll be happy with it,
Speaker 1: or fifty and let me be happy with it. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to get this as fifty back because I'm
Speaker 1: gonna always asked my same way I saw him, and
Speaker 1: make him be on the island too, because he put
Speaker 1: me on the island. So they would have to whoever
Speaker 1: go at me, the the hardness, the steps and all
Speaker 1: of them dudes and all of them who go at me,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go back at him. I would
Speaker 1: just have to do one on one with them, and
Speaker 1: we would just have to get fifty apiece. Beside, besides,
Speaker 1: besides magic, besides magic, Johnson, you're one of those guards
Speaker 1: that that posted up a lot. You kind of you'll
Speaker 1: kind of started that. I think now if you was
Speaker 1: in today's game, you abused that because they don't take
Speaker 1: advantage of matchups like they used to, like we did.
Speaker 1: I remember matter to when we played with Don we
Speaker 1: played with Don Nelson, when we played against the Phoenix Suns.
Speaker 1: Don Nelson told us, I don't care who shooting the ball, whoever,
Speaker 1: Steve nash Garden go post up. He didn't care who
Speaker 1: it was. You know what I'm saying. They don't. They
Speaker 1: don't take advantage of mismatches. Now, you if you was
Speaker 1: playing right now, lord, you'll be getting so many post
Speaker 1: up lads will be ridiculous because I go at everyone
Speaker 1: that couldn't the nephew. I go with everybody who couldn't
Speaker 1: play defense, and which one, whatchever one of them that
Speaker 1: couldn't play defense. I go at They don't right now,
Speaker 1: and they don't want to let him know h And
Speaker 1: I'll be going at his head. I'll be like the
Speaker 1: mouse in the house and in the church. House mouse.
Speaker 1: He all in here by himself on this island, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tet off and I'm on killing too, man.
Speaker 1: And every time I make a bucket, I'm gonna be like,
Speaker 1: bring your lass on back down here, because if he scores,
Speaker 1: it's all bad, because I'm going right back at you.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody on my team gonna touch his ball but me,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go at you. So they're gonna help you.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell him they're gonna help you because
Speaker 1: he gonna get killed. Mm hmmm, we'll tell us what.
Speaker 1: I got a chance to play with Chris Paul and
Speaker 1: was a part of Lob City, and just seeing Blake
Speaker 1: and DeAndre and the ship they used to do used
Speaker 1: to all me. But you arguably play with one of
Speaker 1: the best dunkers of all time in Sean Kemp. All
Speaker 1: you had to do is throw that ship out in
Speaker 1: the atmosphere. My mother's gonna come catching the dunk on somebody. Shit. Man,
Speaker 1: that was the greatest feeling that ever man, because man
Speaker 1: and man, Sean always had a thankful the thing to say,
Speaker 1: He'll be like, oh and one sous I steal a ball,
Speaker 1: He'll be come behind me and be like whoa, and
Speaker 1: I know you there, and I just throw that thing
Speaker 1: up and he might sometimes I might sometime miss where
Speaker 1: I'm throwing the ball that but he'll come flying man
Speaker 1: Grady thanking Bob. And then you know how he at
Speaker 1: the food he started pointing at people and how you
Speaker 1: know how he get to do it all? Listen with him. Man,
Speaker 1: he made it entertaining when he dunk on you and
Speaker 1: then they becoming and slapped him high five. I was like,
Speaker 1: may y'all crazy, and y'all just on the highlight film, man,
Speaker 1: y'all on sports Center because you know, we had the
Speaker 1: top the top teen sports center at that time, and
Speaker 1: because we used to run home to see who made
Speaker 1: the top ten in the sports center, and you know,
Speaker 1: we used to go to there, and you know, we
Speaker 1: used to go to foot locker and you can get
Speaker 1: a poster which you're getting dunked on too, so you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So that was yeah, hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Who were some of your arrivals back in
Speaker 1: the day in the point guard position obviously played in
Speaker 1: the era with some amazing point guards Isaiah Thomas, John Stockton,
Speaker 1: Mattie Johnson to name a few. But who were your
Speaker 1: personal arrivals? My two purposal arrivals. It was John Stockton
Speaker 1: and Tim Hardaway. I used to love to play against
Speaker 1: both of them because you know, me and Tim had
Speaker 1: a thing going on that you know, he from Chicago
Speaker 1: and he was in Oakland, and he used to talk
Speaker 1: a gang of mess and I had to go at
Speaker 1: his head all the time. So but now me and
Speaker 1: him we got too real. We didn't got real clothes.
Speaker 1: But it was a good thing. But I used to hey,
Speaker 1: John Stockton, man, because they never talked to me, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He just looked at you like
Speaker 1: he a zombie man and didn't kill you backpick you
Speaker 1: knock your ribs out of the place, man. So I
Speaker 1: used to be always want to get at him man.
Speaker 1: So them too was my main ones. But you know,
Speaker 1: we went against Rod Strickland, Kevin Johnson, Mark Price. We
Speaker 1: had a lot of dudes that we used to get
Speaker 1: get at. And it was point guard Central there that time.
Speaker 1: Muggy Bowls, all the little guards man that would get
Speaker 1: at you man, even you know Adams from Denver. You know,
Speaker 1: the little guards man was was a joint man. And
Speaker 1: we had everywhere we went in the NBA, we had
Speaker 1: to play against the guard. You know. That's when Mark
Speaker 1: Jackson was even bumping with the Knicks, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it was like Indiana had Burn, Burn
Speaker 1: Fleming and all them dudes. Man, So we had a
Speaker 1: lot of point guards in my day. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a big They got the the Last Dance documentary coming
Speaker 1: up with Jordan and the Bulls. Obviously, you guys had
Speaker 1: a good role with him in nineties six. What do
Speaker 1: you remember about that guy? I gotta j Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you know that was Matt That was That was the
Speaker 1: thing that I think we played too late. We played
Speaker 1: him too late. We was trying to I think Coach
Speaker 1: Carl was scared. I was hurt a little bit in
Speaker 1: that in that series, and he wouldn't start me on
Speaker 1: on m J. And then once who got damn three, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'll start guarding MJ. And we turned the series around.
Speaker 1: We blew him out twice, and then we went back
Speaker 1: to Chicago and it was too late. I'm good rememories, man,
Speaker 1: because going at Jordan was cool with me, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I used to try to go out
Speaker 1: his dome all the time, man, and get him out
Speaker 1: of it. But they had a coach and Phil Jackson
Speaker 1: who didn't care about Eagles. When you know, I getting
Speaker 1: that Jordan and Jordan to get out of this game
Speaker 1: a little bit and start talking to me. Field would
Speaker 1: always switched the game up and he would put Pippt
Speaker 1: on me, who was a bigger guard, and I couldn't
Speaker 1: post him up, you know what I'm saying, because he's
Speaker 1: too big, so I had to always take him off
Speaker 1: the dribble so I have fun man in the nineties. Man,
Speaker 1: the nineties was the ship to me because we played
Speaker 1: against everybody, and then you young kids started to come.
Speaker 1: Youngster start coming, and then I started getting messed up
Speaker 1: because y'all y'all had too much dog and y'all man.
Speaker 1: And by that time I didn't got older. Then you
Speaker 1: know both of y'all both y'all got dog and y'all.
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, man, I can't listen to
Speaker 1: too many of these youngsters back because they do it
Speaker 1: too much right now. So then when y'all started coming, man,
Speaker 1: it was more of a getting that y'all man as
Speaker 1: as as nephews man, and to get passing the game
Speaker 1: on because y'all had that ump. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It ain't too many of y'all could come in there
Speaker 1: and had that ump that I had. And I don't
Speaker 1: really you know, I don't really respect too many of
Speaker 1: these dudes because I get them. I get at them,
Speaker 1: and they chatted and they turned down and they turn
Speaker 1: their cheek the other way. But y'all too, man, it
Speaker 1: was a little bit different, man. Y'all didn't turn y'all cheek.
Speaker 1: Y'all winted everybody. Actually, you Matt throwing the ball, faking
Speaker 1: the ball in Kobe face, doing all that crap, man,
Speaker 1: and then and then use that going in the stands
Speaker 1: getting that people. Man, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: y'all was just a little bit different, man. So it
Speaker 1: was always good. I always tell people, I said one
Speaker 1: thing about GPS, Why I let me say, you got
Speaker 1: to be a will one of g P rock with you?
Speaker 1: You don't rock with anybody? Yeah, you know that, and
Speaker 1: you I don't. I don't get out with people, man.
Speaker 1: I don't have friends like that, man, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And when I rock with y'all, man, especially
Speaker 1: when y'all gave me the gave me the text man,
Speaker 1: and said, hey, man, y'all come on the show. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, about damn time. You don't know what
Speaker 1: was You know what's crazy was me and Jack text
Speaker 1: you out on the same day, not even knowing we
Speaker 1: were thinking, whoa, we were thinking, I guess we needed it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't even spoken. We both just because I had hit you, like, yo,
Speaker 1: I just spoke to Jacket. I didn't even it wasn't
Speaker 1: like I told Jack to hit you. Jack told me
Speaker 1: to hit you ship. So we both just felt like, yo,
Speaker 1: we need to get gp on this motherfucker man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's always a pleasant to jump on with
Speaker 1: y'all man. And then you know this is start man,
Speaker 1: because I gotta come and be in purse with y'all. Man.
Speaker 1: You get off this more team so we can really
Speaker 1: act the damn food. You know what, Well, let's let's
Speaker 1: transition into something that that Jack and I have been
Speaker 1: HU advocates for while we played post career. Obviously a
Speaker 1: Bay Area legend of NBA Hall of Famer endorsing cannabis
Speaker 1: and and and really help pushing the movement in the world.
Speaker 1: And we appreciate what you do, but speak to me
Speaker 1: how that came about the story story. But everybody know
Speaker 1: this is the real story about Garant, because hey, every
Speaker 1: everybody around the world, everybody around the world. All they called,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about man, I need Garant pay and that's
Speaker 1: all I need. That's my favorite. Everybody screaming for that
Speaker 1: right now. And y'all don't even know how to O G.
Speaker 1: Found out about it, Go and tell them, O G.
Speaker 1: It's all good. So you know, one day I was
Speaker 1: just sleeping, you know, stat hit me on the phone
Speaker 1: and he was hitting me head of times, right, So
Speaker 1: I was like, damn. So I was like, well, want
Speaker 1: to hope there's nothing wrong. So I picked up the
Speaker 1: phone and he was like, O G. You know, man,
Speaker 1: I came to to the baby man to pick up
Speaker 1: some of your stuff. I said something about what and
Speaker 1: he was like to gear paying said man, I don't
Speaker 1: know no about no weed said you don't know no
Speaker 1: matter but about no strand in the wind they got
Speaker 1: on you. I was like naw. He was like, man,
Speaker 1: O ge, man, you better look into that man. So
Speaker 1: when he when he told me, I went and got
Speaker 1: the word out on the streets to get to see
Speaker 1: who it was running the running with the with the
Speaker 1: with the strand. So they got in touch with Bernard,
Speaker 1: and Bernard didn't know nothing about it because it wasn't
Speaker 1: even out in cookies yet. It was somebody in the
Speaker 1: streets who had knocked it off. There was a knock
Speaker 1: on it, and they was trying to sell it, and
Speaker 1: they had bad packages and stuff out there, and they
Speaker 1: was selling it. So then all of a sudden, when
Speaker 1: I got to the meeting, I thought I was gonna
Speaker 1: get with some streetenings and get out on it. We
Speaker 1: was gonna talk, but Bernard came up. And then when
Speaker 1: Bernard came up, Bernard was like, man, o ge, man,
Speaker 1: this ain't even posting me out. I'm gonna find out
Speaker 1: who did it. And I really think I know who
Speaker 1: did it and put it on the streets. So that's
Speaker 1: what really happened. And then when Bernard did it, he
Speaker 1: stopped that. He stopped that, and then he said, you
Speaker 1: know what, we was gonna call you anyway, because what
Speaker 1: happened was we went out and we we cut some strands,
Speaker 1: and the strand came to Gelato and it was like,
Speaker 1: we want to honor the O G because we're from
Speaker 1: the Bay. So what's twenty means? That means Gary Payton
Speaker 1: out here. So he and they said, we're gonna name
Speaker 1: the strand Gary Payt to me the bigger pictures because
Speaker 1: I work with U c l A on this, you said,
Speaker 1: on this cannabis research program. To me, the bigger play
Speaker 1: and the bigger picture is realizing how beneficial this can
Speaker 1: be for athletes and sports. I mean, you know, the
Speaker 1: professional they pumping us full of opioid to get us
Speaker 1: back on these playing fields, but then want to penalize
Speaker 1: us for smoking, you know what I mean? And knowing
Speaker 1: that I've been smoking us four teen started in high school,
Speaker 1: through high school, through U c l A, through the NBA,
Speaker 1: and I was always taking a chance. But to me,
Speaker 1: there was no alternative because I wasn't someone who could
Speaker 1: take opioid. They gave me stomach aches. I wasn't really
Speaker 1: a big drinker, so I just always smoked it and
Speaker 1: took that chance because I felt like I really needed it.
Speaker 1: So the fact that you and and you're bringing other
Speaker 1: legends into play, and there's other people in place. Our
Speaker 1: brothers shout out out Harrington of Viola, Ricky Williams, Mike Tyson.
Speaker 1: There's so many people around that are these so called
Speaker 1: one percenters. You know, Kevin Durant supports it. I mean,
Speaker 1: we can be productive. What the funk ever, Dad's business owner,
Speaker 1: father's professional athletes and still smoke cannabis and we shouldn't
Speaker 1: be fine, suspended or possibly lose our career over it. Well, Matt,
Speaker 1: that's a good point. And that's why I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people are seeing me in different Because before
Speaker 1: my mom passed uh months ago from cancer, from liver cancer,
Speaker 1: I was, um, I was really really breaking this off.
Speaker 1: I got with burning there, I got with a lot
Speaker 1: of people. You guys knew. I had started a company
Speaker 1: called Canada Sports, which was basically gonna go towards medical
Speaker 1: cannabis where it gets all the bound bass, made people
Speaker 1: feel good and match your right. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: things that a lot of players, I can take for instance,
Speaker 1: Earl Campbell, who was ailing and aching and can't barely move,
Speaker 1: would needs stuff like this to get itself up in
Speaker 1: the morning, to get itself to moving and get off
Speaker 1: these medical um, these medical pills. That is gonna what
Speaker 1: they're gonna do is they're gonna solve what they think
Speaker 1: they're solving. But the other places, like you liver, like
Speaker 1: you like your kid needs and stuff, it's gonna break
Speaker 1: it down and then you're gonna be messed up and
Speaker 1: you're gonna keep taking this stuff. And that's what doctors
Speaker 1: want you to do, is keep taking stuff and taking stuff,
Speaker 1: so they could keep selling stuff and selling stuff. But
Speaker 1: with this cannabis oil and the stuff and the CBD stuff,
Speaker 1: it can make you get get not true and get
Speaker 1: everything natural in your body and keep your body feeling
Speaker 1: good where you can get up in the morning, you
Speaker 1: can take walks, you can feel good about making breakfast
Speaker 1: or something. But because some of the time, people who've
Speaker 1: got a lot of a lot of hellen diseases, they
Speaker 1: can't get up in the morning. They can't even know
Speaker 1: they're not doing that dad nothing. So if you give
Speaker 1: them this and give them a sense of um ability
Speaker 1: to get up, feel good and stay on this stuff,
Speaker 1: it's nothing wrong with that. It's nothing wrong with that, man,
Speaker 1: it's nothing wrong to recover your body off or natural.
Speaker 1: And you know this is why the the the cannabis
Speaker 1: is getting to a point where everybody is starting to
Speaker 1: legalize it. We want all fifty states to do it,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna take time because they gotta get the
Speaker 1: understanding of it's not gonna hurt you. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Alcohol gets you to drink in and get
Speaker 1: your mind to getting all bad. Uh. Cannabis can get
Speaker 1: you there if you and you can take different ones
Speaker 1: and make you mellow, to make you up here to
Speaker 1: make whatever. And people gotta understand which one is a
Speaker 1: witch one that you can do. And then we got
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff like that. And I'm not just
Speaker 1: in the into the flower. I'm into bomb baths, I'm
Speaker 1: into oils. I mean everything that's gonna make somebody feel
Speaker 1: good about their self. And people know that. And that's
Speaker 1: why a lot of people have been dealing with me
Speaker 1: and wanted me to come to cannabis, uh, convintionous and
Speaker 1: stuff like that so that I can share this information
Speaker 1: with I'm gonna share what I'm trying to do because
Speaker 1: I'm not just into two smoking and doing that. All
Speaker 1: you guys know, I don't even smoke, but i do
Speaker 1: have a line that people want to honor me with,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do it. But then I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: something else that is gonna make me be help other people,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a movement. And I think we're
Speaker 1: all gonna get into that, and we all want to
Speaker 1: do that. And it's nothing wrong with with all every
Speaker 1: one of you guys are doing because it is what
Speaker 1: it is and this is the way life is going
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I think it's stuck. We're stuck on
Speaker 1: old stick us. I think people fear the word high.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean is we can remove the
Speaker 1: word high and educate them because like you said, there's
Speaker 1: so many different uh parts of this plant that can
Speaker 1: help people in different ways, whether you want to get
Speaker 1: whether you wanted to get the psychological high from it,
Speaker 1: or you want to just get the straight you know,
Speaker 1: the body recovery and and ailment. There's so many different
Speaker 1: levels you can attack. And I think when people hear
Speaker 1: the word cannabis, they instantly think you're smoking weeds are high.
Speaker 1: But there's so many different ways to do this and
Speaker 1: and I'm actually working on a project in the Bay
Speaker 1: Area GP. We need to sit down and talk about
Speaker 1: were unifying churches out there and educating church members because
Speaker 1: you gotta think our grandparents, like you just said, we're
Speaker 1: trying to cut that that we're trying to cut that
Speaker 1: medical cabinet in half, if not more, you know, by
Speaker 1: taking different parts of this plant. You know. I mean
Speaker 1: our grandparents are waking up taking how many pills a day,
Speaker 1: like you said, just to get out of bed, just
Speaker 1: to move, just to feel better. And there's so many
Speaker 1: testimonies of people taking whether it's the oil, the tinctures,
Speaker 1: the bath bombs, the rubs, smoking a joint, there's so
Speaker 1: many testimonies to how beneficial is for these people. We
Speaker 1: still want to have this old stigma on it. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, I think the overall picture of all
Speaker 1: of US athletes because when we speak, we know people
Speaker 1: listen to really just push this mention and let you
Speaker 1: know you can still be a very productive person on
Speaker 1: on many different levels. Uh, if you're a cannabis user
Speaker 1: and magic that's that's a good point because a lot
Speaker 1: of the churches is and the people in their old
Speaker 1: school people that really understand about what's going on. What's
Speaker 1: a good thing about that is is that my brother
Speaker 1: is is one of the main pastors in the you know,
Speaker 1: in the California. He's the president of a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of the things in California, where I'm educating
Speaker 1: him on the same situation that you're talking about by
Speaker 1: going to church and telling him what's going on. Because
Speaker 1: he's got diabetes and he's got this. I want him
Speaker 1: to get off peels and all of that stuff too.
Speaker 1: It's nothing wrong, it's nothing wrong with it with the
Speaker 1: stuff that he's doing. He doesn't have to smokee weed
Speaker 1: and and and marijuanted to do that. He can get
Speaker 1: these body wraps and cdds will make him feel understand
Speaker 1: And we gotta get them to understand that. And that's
Speaker 1: the problem that we have is that we're not letting
Speaker 1: everybody understand what it is. And match You're right, all
Speaker 1: they think about is high. It's not like that anymore.
Speaker 1: It's just just a just regeneration man. And it's nothing
Speaker 1: about hot and the more some people can take it
Speaker 1: like we can say it with Snoop Dogg. He smokes
Speaker 1: all the time and it's just something that he's immune to,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's his thing to do
Speaker 1: to keep him feeling right and and keep him motivated.
Speaker 1: And that's no problem with that. And that's my homie,
Speaker 1: and that's my dog. And I love him to death.
Speaker 1: And I'm with him on that if that's gonna make
Speaker 1: him be productive for him, for him, for him, for
Speaker 1: everybody is different. Everybody is different. You know, we have
Speaker 1: a hot we have a high tolerance. We smoked before
Speaker 1: we played, when we played all the ship you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, So to everybody is different. But that's
Speaker 1: the amazing part about it is because there's so much education.
Speaker 1: I think education is the key. Now you learn how
Speaker 1: the microdulce. Now you find out because to me, I
Speaker 1: don't never want it to someone to have a bad
Speaker 1: experience on it, you know what I mean. There's so
Speaker 1: much information education on it. Now you can know you
Speaker 1: can micro dose if you're messing with the edibles or
Speaker 1: the tincuers whatever, you know. I even want to get
Speaker 1: to a point where you know, I'm letting a little
Speaker 1: cat off the bag. But when we start dropping our
Speaker 1: pre rolls and ship again to give people like levels, right,
Speaker 1: when you smoke this much, this is what you should feel.
Speaker 1: You spoke this much is what you feel, And if
Speaker 1: you feel like you can handle a whole joint, go
Speaker 1: for it. But to me, if we can educate people
Speaker 1: and let them know, like there's a responsible way to
Speaker 1: handle this. Like the old narrative of stoners or loose,
Speaker 1: this is a real life business down and and this
Speaker 1: plan is really help helping change people's lives. So we
Speaker 1: can continue to educate. Like I said with the church ship,
Speaker 1: we definitely gotta link up with that to continue to
Speaker 1: educate the members. Shout out Bishop Clark and word Assembly
Speaker 1: in Oakland. We gotta sit down, especially that your brother
Speaker 1: is a pastor too. So we got a whole a
Speaker 1: cool play in the Bay Area and we want a
Speaker 1: cookie cut that model and take that ship all over
Speaker 1: the country. Yeah, we gotta do that soon and because
Speaker 1: it'll it'll help everybody and it'll start something. But what
Speaker 1: the thing is, I want to I want to congratulate
Speaker 1: y'all and I want to be saying I'm proud of
Speaker 1: both of you too, or even coming up with a
Speaker 1: with a show like this so that they can understanding,
Speaker 1: so that everybody in the world can understand what's going
Speaker 1: on right here, especially with the two of you guys,
Speaker 1: who you guys have doing what you've done in the
Speaker 1: community and what you've done on the basketball court for
Speaker 1: these people to come here and then y'all educate them
Speaker 1: and talk to educational wise. That's what y'all doing. Now.
Speaker 1: You're not talking like you're ignorant or a fool or
Speaker 1: nothing like that. Y'all talking where y'all know about everything
Speaker 1: you're talking about in educational and doing things like that.
Speaker 1: And I'm very proud of y'all, man, and I want
Speaker 1: to give you all crudos for that, because this is
Speaker 1: what we need. This is what we need in this Worldely,
Speaker 1: we definitely appreciate it. And you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: people you know and men, Matt, we always talk about it.
Speaker 1: Then to touch what you're talking about the productive side
Speaker 1: of it. It's just the stigma is just so bad.
Speaker 1: Like I started smoking when I was twelve, so I
Speaker 1: honestly would say I can tell by the I can
Speaker 1: tell by the tent on the on your lower lipt.
Speaker 1: It looked about because it started with used to be swishers,
Speaker 1: then with the great swishers. Yeah you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: shout out back shut out and shout out shot backwards
Speaker 1: jack like backwards backwards holiday jack. He'll definitely you could
Speaker 1: tell either backward supporter, so do something with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but for me, but for me, I know, I know,
Speaker 1: especially sports wise, I played through all kind of entry,
Speaker 1: just like you both y'all did. It's no way I
Speaker 1: would have made it fourteen years, is no way I
Speaker 1: would have been a productive that I that I have
Speaker 1: been if it wasn't for cannabis. So a lot a
Speaker 1: lot of people, I'm glad, like you sound glad that
Speaker 1: we are able to stand on the form front because
Speaker 1: me and Matt. You've never seen me and Matt missing
Speaker 1: the game or suspended because of cannabis. You never seen
Speaker 1: us getting pulled over with it. So we can speak
Speaker 1: on it because we had with because we've done it
Speaker 1: the right way, you know what I'm saying. So I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that we got people like you two O
Speaker 1: G that speak on the two because it gives us credibility,
Speaker 1: right And you know, you guys, even though I didn't
Speaker 1: smoke weed when I was in the league, and I
Speaker 1: try to be uh a guy where I was tough
Speaker 1: all the time and get through it, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But then I wish I could I would
Speaker 1: have because then I wouldn't have had so much alcohol
Speaker 1: in my system right now, what I'm saying, see, and
Speaker 1: so I used to put it to the alcohol man.
Speaker 1: Y'all had y'alls, I had mine, man, So I wish
Speaker 1: I would have been a little bit different on that
Speaker 1: because then I would have had my body, you know,
Speaker 1: way way more better to than that idea then. So,
Speaker 1: but it was always a learning process of what we're doing.
Speaker 1: That's why everything trickles out to be what it is
Speaker 1: in the future. Everything happens for a reason, and now
Speaker 1: this reason is in that we understand it what the
Speaker 1: cannabis is going about and how we did it, and
Speaker 1: y'all had it already and and at forefront when y'all
Speaker 1: was in the league, So we don't you know, people
Speaker 1: don't know it, but they know it now. And that's
Speaker 1: why a lot of these sports are now starting to say,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna test for this. We're not gonna test
Speaker 1: for marijuana. We're not gonna do this thing. So it's
Speaker 1: not like I think it's so much not to cut
Speaker 1: you off. You. I think that these leagues worried so
Speaker 1: much about image and the message we're putting out the children,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's not so much
Speaker 1: promoting go smoke weed, just don't test for it no more.
Speaker 1: Remember back I'm sure, it's for you. We used to
Speaker 1: get that preseason test. Uh one time we was good,
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like they were saying, go smoke. But
Speaker 1: they just wasn't testing for that ship, you know. So
Speaker 1: it's not like you're promoting we think kids, because I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously the n b A is you know, we got
Speaker 1: the kids until we got the world's attention, so we
Speaker 1: are obviously they want to be conscious about the message
Speaker 1: we're sending to children. But like I said that, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's not so much about
Speaker 1: promoting the situation. It's just not testing for it anymore, right,
Speaker 1: And that's what the leagues are doing because it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be you guys. You know that they're not gonna
Speaker 1: be able to stop you guys from smoking weed and
Speaker 1: nobody else. You're gonna do it. We're gonna do it regardless.
Speaker 1: They're gonna do it regardless. So why why fighting If
Speaker 1: you feel around and all of a sudden you get
Speaker 1: eighty people that that's positive for it, what you're gonna do.
Speaker 1: You'll mess your whole league up if you try to
Speaker 1: suspend eighty people, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: just make sure and and y'all guys are responsible. Y'all
Speaker 1: come to the game. Y'all know not to y'all gonna
Speaker 1: hurt nobody or nothing no happen. You can read, you
Speaker 1: can you can redo, you can do it, you can
Speaker 1: maintain it and contain it, and you be responsible. So
Speaker 1: everybody gonna be good. And they know they're not gonna
Speaker 1: be able to control everybody because everybody's gonna keep doing it. Right.
Speaker 1: I remember towards the end of my career, Um, I
Speaker 1: was in the drug program and they were over I was.
Speaker 1: I was told there half the dude there was over
Speaker 1: two hundred dudes in there for cannabis alone. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: that's half the league, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: it's everywhere from rookies to superstars. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like in all and not just the NBA, in the
Speaker 1: NFL and Major League Baseball, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like we know other people in different walls of life,
Speaker 1: and it is what it is, So it shouldn't be
Speaker 1: looked down upon. It shouldn't be criminalized. You shouldn't. You know.
Speaker 1: I lost my home boy, shout out my home boy
Speaker 1: Ontario men from Sacramento. One of the coldest running backs
Speaker 1: ever was about to sign a big deal with the
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings and got pot for the third time with
Speaker 1: the Tree and some others you know in in the situation,
Speaker 1: and he lost his career over it. You mean, you
Speaker 1: look at the dude from the Cowboys, David Irving retired
Speaker 1: over it because people, you know, people, they don't understand
Speaker 1: the real benefits there. They they look at it and
Speaker 1: with the old stigma, the old stereotype that it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a gateway for other bullshit, and it's not, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we we smokers, and we smokers,
Speaker 1: and it's very beneficial in our lives. Man. So it's
Speaker 1: I'm glad that I think we've still got a way
Speaker 1: to go, but we're definitely heading the right direction as
Speaker 1: far as just trying to normalize this. To me, it
Speaker 1: should be just as normal for a mom at the
Speaker 1: end of the day to have a joint than it
Speaker 1: is to have a glass of wine. And that's true.
Speaker 1: It's everybody, you know, Like you said, man, a lot
Speaker 1: of people like to drink wine. Some people want to
Speaker 1: have I have our joint, you know, I'm saying, have
Speaker 1: a pre roll, you know, just smoke that and and
Speaker 1: that'll make you relax and be there and you know,
Speaker 1: and I guarantee right now in this quarantine, that's what
Speaker 1: it's all about. Right now, everybody hey probably smoking it
Speaker 1: out right now. So it's all good, man. And as
Speaker 1: long as we could get to the point where we
Speaker 1: can get everybody educated on this and get this to
Speaker 1: just be where it's at, because we are moving in
Speaker 1: the right direction. We are doing things and the right
Speaker 1: people are stepping up to promote this to let them
Speaker 1: know it. And the people that are stepping up are
Speaker 1: respected people and people listen to it. So that's good
Speaker 1: that we're getting into the right right direction. We need
Speaker 1: to all come together on this is something our brother
Speaker 1: Alharings has been been preaching on this. We need to
Speaker 1: all come together and figure out, you know, create some quarter,
Speaker 1: some sort of board like continuing to come together and
Speaker 1: push this narrative and educate people. I think education um
Speaker 1: on this situation is the key man. But we're gonna
Speaker 1: wrap it up so like I said, we want to
Speaker 1: get you in the studio, so we're not gonna get
Speaker 1: too deep into too much ship. We're gonna close out
Speaker 1: with a couple of quick hitters for you. Um, favorite
Speaker 1: favorite player to watch, present day, favorite player to watch
Speaker 1: present day? Man, you know that's a hard but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with the boy Moran. Yeah, John Maran, I like.
Speaker 1: I love a little young boy man. He got a
Speaker 1: lot of dog getting. He don't back down to nobody,
Speaker 1: get into it. He talk his crash too, and he
Speaker 1: just don't back down to people. And he reminds me
Speaker 1: of myself a lot, and I love it. I love
Speaker 1: that young kid. Yeah, So tell me the current day
Speaker 1: with your rules rules from the nineties. Who's one point
Speaker 1: guard you want to go one on one with? Play defense?
Speaker 1: How you can play Marcus Smart from Boston. I want
Speaker 1: to go at him, man, he little. I think I
Speaker 1: think me and I think me and him might have
Speaker 1: a real, real good battle. Man. I want to go
Speaker 1: there because he got he got it and it's one more.
Speaker 1: I would want to go with Patrick Beverley too. I
Speaker 1: would want to go there. So you know what Tom
Speaker 1: to yeah them THEO I really really yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: would want to go to both of them. If if
Speaker 1: the season gets back on track, Um, who do you
Speaker 1: see going to the finals? I see the Clippers and
Speaker 1: Milwaukee going to the finals. I think both of them
Speaker 1: got both of them got what it takes. Milwaukee is
Speaker 1: in that division and the East Coast where I think
Speaker 1: they just dominating it right now with Janice being healthy
Speaker 1: and everything, I don't think nobody over there can stop him.
Speaker 1: Over here in the West Coast, you know, the Lakers
Speaker 1: are are the truth. But I still think that that
Speaker 1: team over there, with the with the Clippers, they got
Speaker 1: too much off the bench and they got too much going.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think Kauai and Paul uh and
Speaker 1: Paul is just it's just they're just too tough for me.
Speaker 1: I think that. Then with Patrick Beverley being the one
Speaker 1: who he go and go lockdown superstar, I think he
Speaker 1: can get up into Lebron a little bit and slow
Speaker 1: him down and then get all of the big dogs
Speaker 1: to start guarding him at the end, which they have done.
Speaker 1: But the Lakers proved in the third game that they
Speaker 1: can get with him. But I still think they got
Speaker 1: too many people Clippers. So you see Clippers winning the championship.
Speaker 1: I do see the Clippers winning the championship. You know,
Speaker 1: I see the West winning championship period, even if the
Speaker 1: Clippers don't. Even if the Clippers don't go by, and
Speaker 1: the Lakers can can do detrag can get at the
Speaker 1: at the at the Clippers. I think the Lakers will
Speaker 1: win the championship, especially with Lebron and a d. Lebron
Speaker 1: Is is just a player where you can't stop him.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get a triple double and he's gonna win
Speaker 1: his way. You know, you don't seen that. I've seen that.
Speaker 1: You know, I've seen it every time he went in
Speaker 1: the championship eight years in a row, at each heat
Speaker 1: took bad teams to the championship. If the Lakers get by, yeah,
Speaker 1: If the Lakers get and he got a great team
Speaker 1: now and the Lakers by the Clippers, that winning to Yeah,
Speaker 1: that win it. I see a lot of people think,
Speaker 1: like by saying that that we're disrespecting Milwaukee, but we
Speaker 1: know it's former players. You gotta do it in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I don't gonna how many games you win in the
Speaker 1: regular season, because you saw the Warriors won seventy three
Speaker 1: and they and they and they unfortunately lost. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta do. Johannis has to be the superstar
Speaker 1: in the regular season, in the playoffs and then us
Speaker 1: when his him and his team start getting more respects.
Speaker 1: So it's not a disrespect thing, it's just he still
Speaker 1: has some more room. You know, as former players, we
Speaker 1: feel he needs to grow and he needs to do
Speaker 1: he need We need to see regular season Janice in
Speaker 1: the in the playoffs, in the Eastern Conference finals, and
Speaker 1: we need to see regular season Janice in the finals.
Speaker 1: And then that's when your team starts getting that respect
Speaker 1: And then, Matt, you gotta understand, playoffs are very different
Speaker 1: possessions to become a lot of important, referee start calling
Speaker 1: the game a little bit more tough, as you've seen
Speaker 1: last year when when Toronto start doubling him and then
Speaker 1: putting Kauai on him and doing doing things, they took
Speaker 1: him out of the game and he struggled. And then
Speaker 1: now this is what he has to do this year.
Speaker 1: And that's what he's been been preaching about all some
Speaker 1: all season, that he's gonna be different. And when he's
Speaker 1: being different, the other players on his team and his
Speaker 1: teammates are gonna have to be different too. They're gonna
Speaker 1: have to take some of that load off of him,
Speaker 1: score points and make to make their selfs important too.
Speaker 1: And that's what you guys know, we played in the NBA,
Speaker 1: and when we get to the playoffs, it's a whole
Speaker 1: different story. They start are you don't play person one
Speaker 1: game and then don't see him until two months later,
Speaker 1: playing back to back to back, and you gotta adjust,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna go in and watch videos and then
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to do something different than you gotta
Speaker 1: be ready for, right right. I think it's important, man,
Speaker 1: for Milwaukee, you know, with Middleton to be that consistent
Speaker 1: second option, bled so to be that consistent third option,
Speaker 1: and then the rest of the players just play their role.
Speaker 1: But I really like, I thought Boston was playing really
Speaker 1: well before we uh we took this break, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I think they were starting to get
Speaker 1: their chemistry. Jason Tatum and Brown were hitting their stride,
Speaker 1: Kimball was getting in where he fit in every Gordon
Speaker 1: Hayward was flashing. Everyone was playing their roles, and I
Speaker 1: really liked what Boston was doing. Um, but it's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting, man. Hopefully the League of the Season will
Speaker 1: come back and we can crown and champ. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with Boston, Matt they get hurt too much. They let
Speaker 1: one of them out. This time one of them out
Speaker 1: that time. If they all could be on the floor
Speaker 1: at the same time, they're a big threat. They are
Speaker 1: really big threat. And with Tatum, and with Tatum playing
Speaker 1: the way years and he's starting to become a superstar,
Speaker 1: it's hard to stop him from scoring the basketball when
Speaker 1: he can give you thirty anytime, and then he real
Speaker 1: smooth with his jumper is wet, and if they can
Speaker 1: keep it up, they are a threat too. Over there
Speaker 1: in the East, I think I think we walking is cool.
Speaker 1: But but everybody talking about Yannice, we always see the
Speaker 1: regular season Jannice. I think they could come out of
Speaker 1: the East, but we need to see playoff, honest. We
Speaker 1: can't see regular season nice in the playoffs. We need
Speaker 1: to see playoff, honest. So he got to find another
Speaker 1: identity to understand that the level goes way higher in
Speaker 1: the playoffs and you gotta bring your you gotta bring
Speaker 1: your level up way higher. You gotta start hitting jump
Speaker 1: but you gotta start doing stuff that you couldn't do
Speaker 1: in regular season, that you wasn't doing the regular season
Speaker 1: to get your team to the finals. And I think
Speaker 1: you know that now after losing last year, he gonna
Speaker 1: win the m v P two years in a row.
Speaker 1: He gonna win it again this year. And I think
Speaker 1: what's gonna make him different? What made him different this season?
Speaker 1: Of them going into the World Games and if people
Speaker 1: stopping him in that coach talking about we've been playing
Speaker 1: against him so long, we know how to stop him
Speaker 1: and stuff like. That's why I think he's gonna be
Speaker 1: a little bit different when it comes to playoff time,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be He's gonna be pretty good in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. I think I like Lebron for m v P.
Speaker 1: But I feel you, Hey, before we get out of here,
Speaker 1: we're another reference. We spoke to KG one time and
Speaker 1: he said that one time you pulled KG and Kobe
Speaker 1: aside and taught up some ship on defense about when
Speaker 1: to go after the ball, and then Kobe applied it.
Speaker 1: It was a little back and forth. But you gotta
Speaker 1: tell us about any personal stories you may have a
Speaker 1: cob one of maybe one of your favorite memories of Kobe. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, Matt, I had the pleasure of mentoring Um
Speaker 1: for one year when he was in trouble with the
Speaker 1: differcation stuff. Uh it was really uh enjoyful time for
Speaker 1: me to mentoring him. I became a big brother to him.
Speaker 1: Kobe was just a little different. He he didn't have
Speaker 1: no he didn't have no ego. But I'm not as
Speaker 1: a meaning he did have ego, but I'm saying an
Speaker 1: ego and acting o. G s what to do and
Speaker 1: well and how did he could become better? And when
Speaker 1: he came approached me at the All Star Game and
Speaker 1: asked him how to become how to make first team
Speaker 1: All Defense. And I sat there to at uh at
Speaker 1: the the center court and taught him a lot of
Speaker 1: things and he made the first team All Defense with
Speaker 1: me that year. I said, this young kid that has
Speaker 1: a lot of different and a lot of different things
Speaker 1: in him. He's got a lot of different mentality. And
Speaker 1: he kept asking me stuff every time he played me,
Speaker 1: and I posted him up and I got it. He
Speaker 1: would always come over to me and and and sneaking
Speaker 1: in my ear. Oh g man, why you keep killing
Speaker 1: me on these post ups? Man? You gotta teach me
Speaker 1: that what should I do? And that was just a
Speaker 1: big thing for me to hear that, and they respect that,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't do nothing but respecting and teach him
Speaker 1: the game because I know I'm a lot older than he,
Speaker 1: and I was gonna be leaving the game soon, and
Speaker 1: I want to see somebody in that game that imitates
Speaker 1: the things that I do and can be dominated at it.
Speaker 1: And this kid was one of them guys and I
Speaker 1: and I taught him everything that I need to tell him.
Speaker 1: We used to stay after practice at UM in l A.
Speaker 1: And he used to t I used to teach him
Speaker 1: to post up game. Then he used to fade away.
Speaker 1: He took it all. He faced you up and go
Speaker 1: at you. And it was things that he did like that.
Speaker 1: And we used to do drills about defense. I used
Speaker 1: to get him and I used to throw a tennis
Speaker 1: ball back and forth and he used to catch with
Speaker 1: one hand, catch one hand and slide what I I
Speaker 1: learned and he got so good at it where he
Speaker 1: used to guard all the top guys. And that's what
Speaker 1: I started telling him, stop straying away from all the
Speaker 1: top guys. If day, if the top guy on the
Speaker 1: team is there, you guard him, guard him all night,
Speaker 1: and then you take his heart from him, and then
Speaker 1: you go down and kill him on the other end.
Speaker 1: And that's what he started doing, and that's when he
Speaker 1: started with the dog shit, I love that. I don't
Speaker 1: want to touch on that real quick because people forget,
Speaker 1: you know, towards the end of your career, Uh, you
Speaker 1: touched with the Lakers and obviously won the championship with Miami.
Speaker 1: What was it like going to the lager team because
Speaker 1: arguably two people you never thought you would see move,
Speaker 1: you and Karl Malone end up with the Layers. What
Speaker 1: was that like because of that lake a lifestyle something else. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, Mattie, it was right a lot different. And
Speaker 1: the and the way we got to l A is
Speaker 1: because me and Karl had planned already to play with
Speaker 1: each other. We have been talking about that for two
Speaker 1: All Stars, and we said we knew that we wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna be with our same team for a long period
Speaker 1: of time because our owners was a little bit different.
Speaker 1: They were trying to stray away from us a little bit.
Speaker 1: They wanted to go young. So he always told me,
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna play together. So when we came
Speaker 1: free agents and then all of a sudden, magic start
Speaker 1: calling us and saying that the Lakers want us, they
Speaker 1: want us, they want us, they want us. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden call called me and said, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to go to the l A. I want
Speaker 1: to get signed. I wanna get out of this coldness.
Speaker 1: I want to get out of all this crap. Man.
Speaker 1: Let's enjoy ourselves at the end of our careers and
Speaker 1: do what we do. We could sign here for two
Speaker 1: years and and then re up and then in our
Speaker 1: career here and it will be fine. And he said,
Speaker 1: I'll take the less money, you take the big money.
Speaker 1: And that's what we did. We took the left, he
Speaker 1: took the less, I took the big and we went
Speaker 1: there and it was a lot different. We didn't expect
Speaker 1: for Kobe to get in trouble, we didn't expect for
Speaker 1: shock to v few new dr Bus. But we we
Speaker 1: worked it and we did a good job at it.
Speaker 1: We went to the championship. I love both of them dudes, man,
Speaker 1: and we had a good time and a love calling long.
Speaker 1: We had a great time while we was there, even
Speaker 1: though it was turmoil. Yeah. No, we wanted, like I said,
Speaker 1: next time when you come in studio, man, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get down and talk about We're gonna get in depth
Speaker 1: about everything, man. But we just wanted to thank you
Speaker 1: for your time today man, and and and and give
Speaker 1: you your your respect that you do. Man, you're a legend.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you. I know obviously you and Jack are
Speaker 1: close with the Big Three and other stuff, man, but
Speaker 1: we appreciate everything you've done and and stories like that.
Speaker 1: You know, we think it's amazing when the O G
Speaker 1: s really kind of you know, passed that off. Like
Speaker 1: you said, you was on your way out, you wanted
Speaker 1: to share. That was one thing that Kobe was adamant about.
Speaker 1: And it was across all avenues, not just sports, but
Speaker 1: just you know what good is a brilliant mind if
Speaker 1: you don't share it. So thank you for doing what
Speaker 1: you do. Man. Appreciate Yeah, I appreciate you all too, man,
Speaker 1: And thanks for having me on the show. And it's
Speaker 1: always a pleasure man, especially with you too. You know.
Speaker 1: You know, I respect both of you guys, man, and
Speaker 1: you're both dogs and me and I respect that. So
Speaker 1: you know, it's always a pleasure anytime you need me,
Speaker 1: both of y'all. Y'all just called me. You know, y'all
Speaker 1: got my line and we can we can do whatever. Gee.
Speaker 1: Appreciate Jack. What about your your bagging segment? Jack, I
Speaker 1: ain't got no begging segment. He already know what time
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