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Speaker 2: Welcome, well, come, welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome.

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Speaker 3: All right, everyone, this is our mini pod is Native

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Speaker 3: LAMPI Welcome home, y'all. I'm Angela, right with Tiffany Cross

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Speaker 3: and Andrew gillim and today we were talking about a

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Speaker 3: lot of stuff in this mini pod.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well the one thing I want to talk

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Speaker 4: about because we've got some serious stuff to get too.

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Speaker 4: But in our main podcast, Angela sent an email that

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Speaker 4: I shouldn't have looked at because I should be focused

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Speaker 4: on you guys, but I just blanked down because it

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Speaker 4: popped up on my computer. Angela was invited to appear

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Speaker 4: on MSNBC, and she responded, and I'm going to read

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Speaker 4: that email for our Hi Blank, I won't say the

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Speaker 4: person's name, Hi Blank. I was devastated by the untimely,

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Speaker 4: unfortunate dismissal of my friend joy read I will not

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Speaker 4: likely be making any appearance on MSNBC in the foreseeable future.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Angela, RII I do thank you for the offer.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for the offer, which, if you read black

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Speaker 4: Women Speak, is your fine pretty much whatever? Why do

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Speaker 4: you want to say it?

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Speaker 5: But why I.

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Speaker 4: Found this so hilarious is because the temerity of them

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Speaker 4: to even.

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Speaker 5: Ask why why would she.

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Speaker 4: Clearly because she said hey, following up on the request,

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Speaker 4: I was trying to yeah, no, But I just think

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Speaker 4: that is it's a I don't know what to do

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Speaker 4: with myself because I spent my whole career building this

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Speaker 4: and it is really a dying industry. So I don't

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Speaker 4: even know what to do with myself. But it's like

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Speaker 4: y'all killed yourself.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 4: The ratings have not been what they were since Joy

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Speaker 4: and Joy's killing it. It was such a joy dumb, dumb, dumb,

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Speaker 4: dumb decision.

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Speaker 3: I just want to say to Joy that we offer

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Speaker 3: ourselves up to appear on your show, Joy, but we

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Speaker 3: I don't think any of us are going on MS

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Speaker 3: and I just you know, for me, I could have

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Speaker 3: included Tiff too, but I wanted them to know. I

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Speaker 3: wanted to bring up Joy in this moment because of course,

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Speaker 3: Joy just happened and we had a full on boycott

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Speaker 3: that uh, that began shortly after, right when we really

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Speaker 3: learned of her dismissal. And with Tiff, we didn't have

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Speaker 3: that because Joy was still on, and so I think

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Speaker 3: we were turning. I wasn't watching weekends, but I definitely,

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Speaker 4: We would say don't watch except for Joy Show. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know, like tuned in the Joy Show. And now

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Speaker 4: it's like you ain't gonna watch anything. And there are

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Speaker 4: people there who I love, dearly Aimon moy D, I

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Speaker 4: think Alie Velshi amazing. So there are wonderful people over there,

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Speaker 4: but and and they have their righteous frustrations too, I'm sure.

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Speaker 4: So I just want those individuals to know we see you,

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Speaker 4: we hear you, we feel you, and thank you for

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Speaker 4: continuing to speak truth.

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Speaker 5: To power on the network.

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Speaker 4: And they lost Maddie to Maddie Hassan, who was brilliant too.

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Speaker 4: I helped Katie fang me and Katie.

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Speaker 3: Got into it online because I thought she was saying

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Speaker 4: I didn't like I didn't like her tweet either, but

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Speaker 4: I like Katie is such a supporter, and.

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Speaker 5: She cleared her.

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Speaker 4: So it was all a misunderstanding.

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Speaker 5: I don't remember that, but I definitely am grateful to her.

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Speaker 4: I was mad at everybody, so when I saw Katie,

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Speaker 4: I was like, what, how dares? I didn't know who

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Speaker 4: just wanted to share that with the audience just so

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not going on this show if they're not

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Speaker 3: violence that is ensuing against black bodies all throughout this country,

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Speaker 3: is still in ice custody because of a crime that

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Speaker 3: he allegedly committed and was pardoned for when he was

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Speaker 3: sixteen years old. A paraplegic, not paraplegic, but he has

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Speaker 3: what's it call when you prosthetics. He has prosthetic lens.

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Speaker 3: They accused him of jumping into a window, stealing a

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Speaker 3: of this. I still detained him and wants to deport

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Speaker 3: him back to Liberia. Some of y'all know the history

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Speaker 3: of Liberia. If you don't, we put links in for

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Speaker 3: how ridiculous this is. Rodney has a hearing August twelfth

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Speaker 3: that I will be attending. I'm of course inviting my

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Speaker 3: cannot let this stand. Tiff and Andrew and Ibery is, oh,

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Speaker 5: It's in Georgia, and we'll make sure we send additional details.

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Speaker 5: There's a GoFundMe.

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Speaker 3: But my point in saying this is the violence on

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Speaker 3: black bodies is happening at the federal level, the state level,

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Speaker 3: the local level. The Jacksonville Sheriff is currently investigating and

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Speaker 3: incident that happened against William McNeill Junior in Jacksonville, Florida

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Speaker 3: in February, and some of us are just learning about it.

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Speaker 3: I want to give y'all a trigger warning to my

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Speaker 3: co host, to those who are watching at home, and

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Speaker 5: Let's roll the clip. Is there a reason why you're

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Speaker 2: If that word is the reason that you're pulling me over? Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: there's a reason why I'm pulling you over here.

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Speaker 6: For one thing, inclement inclement whether you don't have your.

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Speaker 5: Lights on, two things, you're not wearing your seatbelts, the

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Speaker 6: Not okay, I'm not arguing with you.

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Speaker 5: I'm telling you why I'm pulling it over.

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Speaker 2: Give me your driver's licenses, registration for venture costs.

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Speaker 5: All your supervisor. Excuse me, how do you feel, advisor?

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Speaker 1: Why did you pull meal you?

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Speaker 6: Sorry? I'm a thirty five for the dog driver already

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Speaker 6: told you, how do you pull me over? Step out

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Speaker 5: Step out now? All right? So there is another angle

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Speaker 1: There is where you can see it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I almost want to. I know that was

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Speaker 3: traumatizing enough, but I almost want to play that too.

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Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, I agree with you, Andrew. It's a

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Speaker 3: completely different experience. I wanted the full video, But now

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Speaker 3: I understand why it was on Fox eleven because they

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Speaker 5: So let me see this is this is it?

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Speaker 2: After refusing to get out of his car, William McNeil

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Speaker 1: Who'd have been all over it, you know, if had

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Speaker 2: Official JSO records, including the arrest report, the incident report,

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Speaker 2: officer Bauer's initial hit to McNeil's face. Police body cam

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Speaker 1: So there's he does.

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm gonna say.

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Speaker 3: There's another angle steal when he gets snatched out the

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Speaker 3: it's up against the car, Andrew.

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Speaker 5: But it's just it is it is, it is. It

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: So fourth, there are two in the afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Four five, But four five in February. This sky, because

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Speaker 6: appear on the gentleman's vehicle either. So what they actually did, hear, y'all,

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Speaker 6: and you use this pretext this this light's not on,

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Speaker 6: what are deeper crimes. The reason why the DOJ dissuades

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Speaker 6: people from using protectual stops and have written consent decrees

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Speaker 6: it'd be indiscriminated, except almost always these pretext stops are

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Speaker 6: used extremely excessively and black communities and black neighborhoods, black

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Speaker 6: a way to get these people caught up in a

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Speaker 6: much more serious infraction. They don't even poll people for

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Speaker 6: weed right now in this state pretty much unless they

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Speaker 6: consider you are a dealer, and this man's got a

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Speaker 6: smokable weed. And that's what you're gonna say now is

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Speaker 6: the reason that justifies you coming across his face like

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Speaker 6: that twice, unprovoked. It's it's insane again, not shocked, not surprised.

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Speaker 6: I'm glad that the brother lived to tell the story

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Speaker 6: another day because I could have easily seen this situation

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Speaker 6: going completely differently, And were it not for his own recording,

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Speaker 6: the devastation that this officer calls causes unprovoked by escalating

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Speaker 6: the situation and not.

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Speaker 1: De escalating it.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's hard to watch, but it's uh.

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Speaker 6: It is.

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Speaker 4: A regular occurrence. And I remember when the debate around

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