WEBVTT - Welcome to the Memory Palace

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julia Class and

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<v Speaker 1>Julie I don't have the best memory in the world. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, maybe it's an average memory. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I have problems with my brain or anything, but

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<v Speaker 1>I often forget that. I think everybody has this where

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<v Speaker 1>the really boring stuff you need to remember sometimes uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't remember. I can have a simple list to

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<v Speaker 1>go to the grocery with, and if I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>it written like in the notes section of my iPhone,

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<v Speaker 1>then I'm not gonna remember everything. Even if it's something vital,

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<v Speaker 1>like something the thing that I need to eat that night,

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<v Speaker 1>an important component in the in then the meal, I

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<v Speaker 1>still will forget to pick it up. I'm sorry, what

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<v Speaker 1>were you just saying? Now, that's just uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a horrible memory. Actually, I've read something in

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<v Speaker 1>our research that compared memory to a Wikipedia entry. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were saying, it's like it's your memory is

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<v Speaker 1>constantly being altered and augmented and then sometimes pared away. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes the stuff that it's being updated with is

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<v Speaker 1>completely uh, not true. It's horse manure sometimes turns out. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not necessarily what we're gonna talk about today,

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<v Speaker 1>but you could actually talk to me about that before,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought it was fascinating. Were you saying that

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<v Speaker 1>when you have a memory, each time you bring it up,

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<v Speaker 1>you're revising it in some way? Oh yeah, yeah, Um

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<v Speaker 1>well we'll we'll definitely have to cover that in an

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<v Speaker 1>upcoming episode in more detail. But yeah, every time you

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<v Speaker 1>you bring up a memory, you're not just removing it

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<v Speaker 1>pristine from the vault and then returning it pristine to

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<v Speaker 1>the vault, but you're updating at each time because your

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<v Speaker 1>brain needs updated information because we live in a world us,

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<v Speaker 1>as we discussed in our Math podcast, we live in

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<v Speaker 1>a world and don't have to navigate a world of

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<v Speaker 1>multiple movable objects and symbols. So we have to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to fly with that yep. And then hence the

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<v Speaker 1>horsemen who are sometimes right right. So people have had

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<v Speaker 1>horrible memories for as long as we've had to remember

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<v Speaker 1>things because uh, just as math, as we discussed in

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<v Speaker 1>the Math podcast, we develop mathematics to do the things

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<v Speaker 1>that we're not naturally inclined to be able to do

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<v Speaker 1>with our normal mental faculties. We have to develop systems.

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<v Speaker 1>But what to do if you're in the Roman Empire,

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<v Speaker 1>for for instance, just hanging out and you don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>have a ton of books around you or your your

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<v Speaker 1>iPhone there? Yeah, well, in this case you turn to

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<v Speaker 1>something called the memory palace, also known as the method

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<v Speaker 1>of Loki. Right, that's right, and the the origins of

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<v Speaker 1>this go back to a particular back to the fifth

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<v Speaker 1>century BC and a Greek poet by the name of

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<v Speaker 1>Somonodes of CEOs. And uh, he was attending a party,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in the dining hall, having fun around a

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<v Speaker 1>table with a bunch of a bunch of buddies, and

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<v Speaker 1>he uh walked out for a few minutes, and the

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<v Speaker 1>whole entire place collapsed behind him. Oh, he walked out.

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<v Speaker 1>I wondered how he survived. Okay, yeah, maybe he went

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<v Speaker 1>up for smoke or something else. But but he went outside, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and everything collapsed. He survives everybody else that's just crushed

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<v Speaker 1>to just mush, just a smucker's jam. There's no identifying

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<v Speaker 1>these people. But he was, yeah, with a name like Smuckers. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>so he goes back in you know, he doesn't go

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<v Speaker 1>back in, but they dig everything up again. Smucker's jam everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, all right, who were each of these people?

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<v Speaker 1>And he says, well, let me think about it. And

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<v Speaker 1>he's able to identify each puddle uh as as he's

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<v Speaker 1>able to that was, and he's able to identify them

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<v Speaker 1>based on their seating position at the table. He's able

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<v Speaker 1>to remember where they were spatially and and therefore remember

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<v Speaker 1>who they were identified these remains. And this was a

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<v Speaker 1>big moment for him, right yeah, because then he realized, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I could apply this to other things in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>If I have a list I need to remember, if

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<v Speaker 1>there's a long list of facts I need to get down,

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<v Speaker 1>this is how I could do it. And uh and

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<v Speaker 1>and so this survived for ages. Uh you know, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for centuries and centuries and on up through today. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>One big proponent of this was Dominican monk uh Giordano Bruno,

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<v Speaker 1>who was actually he was burned at the stake in

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<v Speaker 1>UH sixteen hundred for heresy, but it wasn't the memory

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<v Speaker 1>palace method that they got him there though I think

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<v Speaker 1>some people found it kind of creepy, but his whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing had to do with he believed that God was

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<v Speaker 1>president nature and the universe in life was infinite. Therefore

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, there might be aliens or something and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that got him into the hot water. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The Roman Catholic Church wasn't big on that at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>though today they have a statue where he where he

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<v Speaker 1>was burned, and and he's more revered these days. It's

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<v Speaker 1>nice at least later on. Yeah. So the basically the

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<v Speaker 1>the idea here, Uh, if you want to look at

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of a simple version, if you take these

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<v Speaker 1>mundane facts and you position them in a spatial framework

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<v Speaker 1>and you make and you make them interesting, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that the idea of the memory palaces to create

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<v Speaker 1>a mental house in which to house and organize symbolic images,

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<v Speaker 1>which then could serve as a queue for information retrieval,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, Like, for instance, our good friend um, um

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<v Speaker 1>simonities here could easily populate this this banquet table with um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a list of addresses he needs to remember

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<v Speaker 1>if he can come up with a unique way to

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<v Speaker 1>remember each one and then remember them in order based

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<v Speaker 1>on where they are at the table. Okay, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>just a little side fact to Thomas Harris's novel Hannibal. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>Hannibal Lecter uses memory palaces for his patients records. He does,

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<v Speaker 1>I've forgotten about that. I've read that. Yeah, he even

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<v Speaker 1>includes music too for the rooms that he's going into. Um. Well, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's good enough for Hannibal Lecter, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's good enough for me, which is why I actually

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<v Speaker 1>tried this out yesterday. Uh and and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>repeat everything that I imagined the way I built and

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<v Speaker 1>populated my memory palace so that I could remember a

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<v Speaker 1>list of five things to get from the grocery store

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<v Speaker 1>in the way home. Okay, you didn't write a thing down. No,

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<v Speaker 1>did not write a thing down. It didn't put anything

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<v Speaker 1>in my in my phone and uh and so these

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<v Speaker 1>were the things. Just it was a soy creamer, ingle

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<v Speaker 1>Hoffer's mustard, aunt traps, frozen fruit, and toilet paper. So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just this is a standard run for me. Um, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>what what does your memory palace look like? So I

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<v Speaker 1>decided to for the space. I decided to use the

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<v Speaker 1>space that I'm occupying right now, the house, stuff works,

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<v Speaker 1>podcast room, slash podcast chamber. Okay, so this is the

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<v Speaker 1>way I pictured it all right over here behind you

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<v Speaker 1>is our sound booth, and inside it I pictured a

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<v Speaker 1>robot cow drinking coffee for my soy milk, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then seated where you are, you're not here, but

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<v Speaker 1>instead there's a large German man uh in in a

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<v Speaker 1>later hosen, big mustache going on, and he's got big

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<v Speaker 1>clumps of of of spicy hot mustard in his mustache.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the the engle Hoffers mustache, because it has

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<v Speaker 1>a little German man on the lap. Uh. Then in

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<v Speaker 1>this seat between us, because the table that we record

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<v Speaker 1>at has a third chair that is never occupied by

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<v Speaker 1>an actual person. Um. But in in my memory palace,

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<v Speaker 1>it is occupied by a large pile, like a human

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<v Speaker 1>sized pile of frozen fruit. And it's just gleaming in

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<v Speaker 1>the light, smelting a little bit, smelling sweet and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know I can see strawberry and mango and all.

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<v Speaker 1>And because this is an important part of the memory,

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<v Speaker 1>cost to add some details to it. You know, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not just thinking the word um. You know, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>just thinking the word frozen fruit. You're picturing it. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It is existing in space and not just a concept,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. And then if I were to poke my

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<v Speaker 1>head out through these curtains where Jerry is setting uh

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<v Speaker 1>our producer, I would see a giant ant and that

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<v Speaker 1>Aunt is dressed in Maria von Trapps dress from the

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<v Speaker 1>Sound of Music, because I need to remember Aunt Traps. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the fifth item, standing at the green screen

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<v Speaker 1>behind Jerry's seat, there is a toilet paper mummy going

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<v Speaker 1>through a number of sexy poses for the camera. They're

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<v Speaker 1>sexy poses. Yeah, yeah, so and I So anyway, it worked.

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<v Speaker 1>I was able to remember I know only five things.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of puny, but I was able to remember

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<v Speaker 1>these five things. Now you can also say that while

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing this for the podcast, I was applying

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<v Speaker 1>more thought to this than I would normally apply to

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<v Speaker 1>the list that I of things I need to pick up.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's also worth noting that even though this is

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<v Speaker 1>an abbreviated version, one can use use people use this

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<v Speaker 1>for hundreds of items, right and in fact, in each

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<v Speaker 1>room you could have five ten different items that are

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<v Speaker 1>living there. It's just a matter of placing the object, right. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>how about you, do you have a memory pale constructed?

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<v Speaker 1>I do, and I'm not going to actually share it

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<v Speaker 1>um because I don't think it's I'll share one on

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<v Speaker 1>my on my list, And basically I need to mail

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<v Speaker 1>my f S a reimbursement right flexible spending account. So

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<v Speaker 1>at my front door, I just pictured angry chirups with

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<v Speaker 1>wings made out of dollar bills greeting me at the

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<v Speaker 1>front door with a pile of mail. That's good, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like you, And they're angry because they're like, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>send the stuff in my wings are going to fall

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<v Speaker 1>off or whatever. I don't know, but I do have

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<v Speaker 1>other rooms, but just for brevity's sake, I won't I

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<v Speaker 1>won't tell. But what I love about this is that

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<v Speaker 1>it quickly becomes very similar to the surrealism that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know about you, but for me, that I experienced

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<v Speaker 1>in my dreams. Yeah, right, like all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>there's these incongruent things going on and they're they're wild

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<v Speaker 1>and they're fantastic. And that's I think why we remember

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<v Speaker 1>our dreams sometimes, right, because they're so extraordinary. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>were honest at least, Yeah exactly, I mean we were.

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<v Speaker 1>We were talking about about this, how we make something

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<v Speaker 1>mundane and we turn it into something crazy and memorable.

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<v Speaker 1>In the same way that on this trip from New York.

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<v Speaker 1>We we both just came back from attending the World

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<v Speaker 1>Science Festival in New York City two thousand eleven. It's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be back in two thousand twelve. Highly recommend anybody's

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<v Speaker 1>big into science and lives in New York to give

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<v Speaker 1>it a go. And and that's actually where I attended

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<v Speaker 1>uh A. I was an audience for a panel on

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<v Speaker 1>memory and that's where I get really excited about the

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<v Speaker 1>concept of the Memory Palace. But while I was waiting

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<v Speaker 1>to go into one of these events, my wife and

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<v Speaker 1>I we were waiting out in this little courtyard area

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<v Speaker 1>and we saw this man walk up with a box,

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<v Speaker 1>like cardboard box under his arm that said Trout on

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<v Speaker 1>the side, like I don't know, like a beer cart,

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<v Speaker 1>like a box that like beer would come in or something,

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<v Speaker 1>but he just said Trout. I don't know what the

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<v Speaker 1>brand was. But anyway, he he's standing there there, puts

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<v Speaker 1>his box down on the ground and he gets a

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<v Speaker 1>handful of of like bread or crackers out, and he

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<v Speaker 1>starts feeding the pigeons, which I don't think it's technically illegal,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's doing it anyway. So he's feeding the pigeons.

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<v Speaker 1>Three of them end there and they're just standing there eating,

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<v Speaker 1>and then slowly he starts raising his hand up, moving

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<v Speaker 1>his hand forward, and then he reaches down, snatches one

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<v Speaker 1>of the pigeons, stuffs it into the cardboard box, and

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<v Speaker 1>then walks off with the cardboard box full of a pigeon.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you told me that, And I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I'll ever be able to look at a pigeon without

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of that poor pigeon's fate. Yeah, or or or

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<v Speaker 1>wondering again why the side of the the the cooler

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<v Speaker 1>said trout. Yeah, yeah, so that it's Yeah. I have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea what he was doing with it, what the

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<v Speaker 1>purpose was, if he was an official pigeon catcher, if

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<v Speaker 1>he was gonna eat it for dinner, Uh, you know

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<v Speaker 1>who knows. But it was memorable because it was so weird.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the memory palace is is kind of like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's make the mundane fact, let's make the soy creamer

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<v Speaker 1>that I will inevitably forget. Let's make that into something

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<v Speaker 1>memorable so that I can't forget it, at least for

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<v Speaker 1>a short term. Um, and then you can you can

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<v Speaker 1>use this this uh, this memory palace and you can

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<v Speaker 1>populate it with hundreds of items, so you can we

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<v Speaker 1>can remember a list in order of hundreds of items,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what mental athletes do. They're called mental athletes,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll get to them in a bit. Um. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>after this quick break. Yeah, this presentation is brought to

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<v Speaker 1>you remember what we were talking about everyone memory palace

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<v Speaker 1>at Robotic Cows. Yeah, yeah, well that that was part

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<v Speaker 1>of it. That was how we remember that. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just walk this really quickly, just like sort of

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<v Speaker 1>four easy steps on how you can create your own

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<v Speaker 1>memory palace. Um. So we've already talked about the first step,

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<v Speaker 1>which is create a physical location that you can clearly

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<v Speaker 1>visualize right now. And that's why I went with the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast chamber for me because I see it all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very familiar with the with the locations, and I

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<v Speaker 1>can can imagine it instantly, right And you can make

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<v Speaker 1>up your own palace, you know, just as long as

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<v Speaker 1>you can, um get a clear beat on on the

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<v Speaker 1>detail of it. Might I recommend like maybe the command

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<v Speaker 1>deck from one of the Star Trek shows. There you go,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good example. Um. And step two is to

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<v Speaker 1>establish a memory route through the location. Right, So if

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna use say your childhood home, then you want

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<v Speaker 1>to go through the front door, and you know, pick

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<v Speaker 1>a route that say you go left to the kitchen

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<v Speaker 1>and then down the hallway or so on and so forth. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to keep that same route all the time?

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<v Speaker 1>Am I right about that? Yes? Okay? Yeah. Joshua four

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<v Speaker 1>who wrote a book about all this called The moon

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<v Speaker 1>Walking with Einstein, he actually did a short video for

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<v Speaker 1>the World Science Festival and uh, and it was shown

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<v Speaker 1>during this memory panel that I attended, and uh and

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<v Speaker 1>he he was he actually did it in a garden,

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<v Speaker 1>like in a like an' really garden. It was more

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<v Speaker 1>like a gardenery of a park or something. And he

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<v Speaker 1>was he actually, you know, he's like, all right, here

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be And it was something crazy like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Einstein moonwalking, that's the title. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>walked through it and he was able to do like

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<v Speaker 1>a list of a hundred and ten thing. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>as he's walking through it, he's placing the checks. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is really important. So once you're you establish your route,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to put your objects that you want to

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<v Speaker 1>remember your things or your concepts they want to remember

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<v Speaker 1>in that room. And the reason why you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do this is because it becomes what's called a memory peg. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's important for step three is you need to

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<v Speaker 1>now peg the memory to the object. So that's when

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<v Speaker 1>you start to think about these really bizarre associations. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>the more bizarre the better. If you want to remember

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up bananas, then can visualize your front door

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<v Speaker 1>as a banana dacary portal with Carmen Miranda greeting you

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<v Speaker 1>or something along those lines. It helps if you're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of silly. I think silliness definitely. Yeah, And you can

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<v Speaker 1>add a song or a set to the memory, especially

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<v Speaker 1>if you're Hannibal elector right. And then step for is

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<v Speaker 1>just to repeat the visualization until you've cemented the objects

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<v Speaker 1>to memories. You really pick those memories, right. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>a fairly simple process. So we should probably talked about

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<v Speaker 1>the research part of this, which is pretty cool, and

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<v Speaker 1>and actually talk about these mental athletes. So there are

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<v Speaker 1>many types of memory. We don't just have memory in

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<v Speaker 1>the human brain. We have just to give you a

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<v Speaker 1>brief idea, we have sensory memory. We have short term,

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<v Speaker 1>long term, explicit, implicit, procedural, declarative, episodic, semantic, and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And we also have spatial memory. And the spatial context

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<v Speaker 1>is extremely important. Like it because again at a at

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<v Speaker 1>a very basic level, we are navigating a world, a

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<v Speaker 1>physical world of movable, numerous objects and simples. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And now I've talked about this before that when you

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<v Speaker 1>walk into a room, that what you're perceiving isn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>coming through your eyes, is coming from the associations that

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<v Speaker 1>your brain is making spatially. So you're whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>you realize that you're you're judging the height of the

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<v Speaker 1>ceiling or the doors, and so on and so forth. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and if you look back at our evolutionary history,

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<v Speaker 1>you know there's a time where you need to remember

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<v Speaker 1>the field where you you know, killed the monkey that

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna eat or something of that nature. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>where does it laying? The field? Has it moved? So

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<v Speaker 1>every we end up having this spatial scaffolding upon which

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<v Speaker 1>we make sense of our entire lives. Just think of

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<v Speaker 1>a calendar or think of a timeline like these are

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<v Speaker 1>these are spatial scaffolding systems. That we use to understand

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on in the world around us. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>I especially like the evolutionary example because if you and

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<v Speaker 1>why you would need the spatial memories because again, think

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<v Speaker 1>about like trying to find food sources and mapping that

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<v Speaker 1>out in your brain, or trying to figure out where

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<v Speaker 1>that dentif lions are, how past to avoid them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's really important to stress here that the memory

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<v Speaker 1>palace is not a trick. It's not really a trick.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not something and when you have people who can

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<v Speaker 1>who can use it and use it to impressive degrees,

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<v Speaker 1>not just for five items at the grocery store that uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're not doing anything out of the ordinary. Like

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<v Speaker 1>the spatial way in the way that we use spatial

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<v Speaker 1>memory in the memory palace is just how we think.

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<v Speaker 1>It's how the brain works well. And also these mental

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<v Speaker 1>athletes that compete, right, they actually have very average memories.

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<v Speaker 1>They've tested them. Yeah, these are not superpowered brains here,

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<v Speaker 1>these are normal brains. They're using um just to tie

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<v Speaker 1>down what's happening in the brain. And there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>going on in the brain with memory. But uh, spatial

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<v Speaker 1>memory is tied in the hippocampus, which is located in

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<v Speaker 1>the temporal lobe, and it kind of looks like a long,

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<v Speaker 1>gummy worm kind of thing in your brain. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>also worth noting that at the head of this worm

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<v Speaker 1>you have the amigala, which is tied to emotional memory,

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<v Speaker 1>which again kind of look at the head of the worm,

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<v Speaker 1>and underneath that you have the pair hippocamp bulk, which

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<v Speaker 1>is tied into details, memory recoding, and memory retrieval. But

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<v Speaker 1>the hippocampus that's spatial, and that's the area that really

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<v Speaker 1>fires up when these mental athletes start using the memory

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<v Speaker 1>palates to exceptional degrees. That's right. In a study of

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<v Speaker 1>eight top ranking mental athletes, they are asked to memorize

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<v Speaker 1>three numbers and black and white photographs of people's faces

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<v Speaker 1>and magnified images of snowflakes. Researchers found that in comparison

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<v Speaker 1>to the control group of non mental athletes, the mental

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<v Speaker 1>athletes were using a lot more of their spatial memory

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<v Speaker 1>in that himple campus region that you talked about, um

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<v Speaker 1>and again, it's because they're using that spatial reasoning to

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<v Speaker 1>peg a blueprint of all the objects that they're memorizing.

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<v Speaker 1>So UM so we're talking about these mental athletes. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk specifically about one of the more famous ones. I

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<v Speaker 1>suppose by now, um Joshua four. Yeah, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who wrote Moon's Moonwalking with Einstein then I mentioned earlier. Um, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he became interested in these individuals, um, and and he's

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<v Speaker 1>just a journalist, right, I want to find out more

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<v Speaker 1>about this. I mean, he became interested in the US

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<v Speaker 1>Memory Championship and he went there expecting to interview a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of savants and uh and just you know, mental giants.

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<v Speaker 1>And and they they kind of laughed at the notion

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<v Speaker 1>when he when he asked them the questions because they're like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just you know, a normal dude, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>not that complicated at it. And so he kind of

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<v Speaker 1>took it on as a challenge to like, well, let

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<v Speaker 1>me see what I can do. Let me try out

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<v Speaker 1>the memory palace, let me let me see what I

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<v Speaker 1>can do with the method of Loki. Yeah, and he

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<v Speaker 1>spent a whole year, this was just pretty incredible with

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<v Speaker 1>memory champ ed Cook um literally just so he could

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<v Speaker 1>improve his mental acuity, right that that was his the

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<v Speaker 1>first thing that he wanted to try to do. But

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<v Speaker 1>he became really obsessed with becoming a mental athlete himself,

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<v Speaker 1>and he went on to compete in and win the

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<v Speaker 1>US Memory Championship, and each morning during this year, he

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<v Speaker 1>would spend fifteen minutes memorizing a new poem or memorizing

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<v Speaker 1>the names in an old yearbook for instance. Um, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's not that's not where it stopped. And he again

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<v Speaker 1>he was obsessed with us. So on the subway he

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<v Speaker 1>would start to memorize random numbers, or he would keep

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<v Speaker 1>a deck of playing cards with him and memorize those.

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<v Speaker 1>And he began to catalog everything in his existence and

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<v Speaker 1>constructing like basically like condominiums of mental palaces. Cook the

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<v Speaker 1>guy that he he interviewed, he actually did a like

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<v Speaker 1>a Ted talk or Ted x talk or something, And

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have to embed that in the blog post that

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<v Speaker 1>we do to ac company this, uh, this particular episode,

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<v Speaker 1>because he goes into how he would he uses the

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<v Speaker 1>memory pal system. He's memorized things like Chinese characters, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>basically learning bits of another language via the memory palace. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he has some really good visual representations in that video. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>super silly Joshua for yeah, completely obsessed. He even bought

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<v Speaker 1>a pair of goggles and spray painted them black, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he cut out eye holes in them. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is all in an effort so that he could better

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<v Speaker 1>concentrate on his memory skills. Yeah, so it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>that part of it sounds like, you know, Jedi master training,

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of you know, far Eastern like thing. But

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<v Speaker 1>then in his mind he's thinking about goofy things like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like Katherine Hepburn juggling frogs or something I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Yeah. Yeah, And there's a great New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times article called Secrets of a Mind Gamer, and in it,

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<v Speaker 1>uh Cook says to the reporter there that photographic memory

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<v Speaker 1>because because the reporter brings up, well, isn't this just

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<v Speaker 1>photographic memory? And yeah, and he says, no, photographic memory

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<v Speaker 1>is a despicable myth. It doesn't exist. In fact, my

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<v Speaker 1>memory is quite average. All of us here have quite

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<v Speaker 1>average memories. Okay, So this is coming from the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who could recite most of Paradise Lost by Heart as

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<v Speaker 1>well as like two fifty two random digits he could

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<v Speaker 1>commit to memory in like five minutes. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>these really are incredible feats that these guys are doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And indeed, and actually, um, you know, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>competition that they have among themselves. But Cook says that

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<v Speaker 1>it's also an attempt for them to rescue a long

0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:45.480
<v Speaker 1>lost tradition of memory training, because again, we don't necessarily

0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:49.000
<v Speaker 1>need it these days, right, except that we still have

0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:52.399
<v Speaker 1>these crazy, failing memories. All right, Um, just for the

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<v Speaker 1>most mundane things, like I've mentioned to you that, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot for some reason about Quentin Tarantino movie,

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<v Speaker 1>but inevitably always forget his name. And yet it's something

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, I reference a lot. How would you

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<v Speaker 1>use the memory palace to remember? Okay, The reason why

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<v Speaker 1>I can even say Quentin Tarantino now is because now

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<v Speaker 1>I think about going to San Quentin and going to

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<v Speaker 1>the Commissary, and in the Commissary Mario b Tali is

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<v Speaker 1>fixing ten thousand plates of Tarantino pasta. We'll see that, well, see,

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<v Speaker 1>and that makes perfect sense within the architecture of your mind.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would have to use quent Quentin Tarantino to

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<v Speaker 1>remember that other stuff you were talking about. I mean,

0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Quentin sat Sam Quentin. I know. But who's the guy

0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:39.399
<v Speaker 1>Mario Batali? Who's that? Oh man, he's this great Italian chef.

0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:42.080
<v Speaker 1>And and you don't have to see the red headed dude. Yeah. Yeah,

0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:43.960
<v Speaker 1>he's pretty outrageous in and of up, so if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't really have to do much to him, like you know,

0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.679
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to gild the lily there, Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, anyway, I mean, this is this is stuff

0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.720
<v Speaker 1>that you can do. Um, but it's pretty amazing to

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<v Speaker 1>look at this, uh Joshua for character and Ed Cook

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<v Speaker 1>and see them in acttion and um. In that video

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<v Speaker 1>that Ed Cook has um from the ted X, he

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<v Speaker 1>says that you should use your memory in a playful

0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:12.280
<v Speaker 1>and enjoyable way, and you should experience it as a

0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:14.960
<v Speaker 1>gift rather than a boring an annoying thing you'd rather

0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:17.439
<v Speaker 1>park away in your iPhone. Yeah, because that's the thing

0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:19.360
<v Speaker 1>they're enjoying, these memory games. And I have to say

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<v Speaker 1>learning that little list was kind of it was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fun. So the five measly five things I had

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<v Speaker 1>to remember the grocery store. But I don't know, Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I should play with it more and and see how

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<v Speaker 1>it goes. And I certainly encourage anyone listening to to

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<v Speaker 1>give the Memory Palace a go to to try using it,

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<v Speaker 1>even if It's just like, you know, the next time

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<v Speaker 1>you need to do a grocery list of just a

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<v Speaker 1>few items, don't write it down, don't put it in

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<v Speaker 1>your cell phone. Try constructing a memory palace out of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think you'll be surprised at how well it works. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would love to hear too if if you

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<v Speaker 1>have any other emnemonic devices that you use. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think we've all, like I used like poems

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<v Speaker 1>at one point, like when I was in junior high.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I believe I Yeah, I got kicked out

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<v Speaker 1>of ap history for writing a raunchy poem to memorize

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<v Speaker 1>something about the the original thirteen Colonies. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>What a tawdry pass, I know it was. It was

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<v Speaker 1>quite the scandal at the time. Uh. But but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have any other weird methods or or you

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<v Speaker 1>know that you employ to uh to sort of tweak

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<v Speaker 1>your brain into uh doing things it wouldn't normally do,

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<v Speaker 1>like remembering cinsul statu let us know. Indeed, well, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I have some listener mail here, let me you know,

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<v Speaker 1>bag here and see what we have. Ah, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a good one. Uh. This was from Katie and

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<v Speaker 1>Katie's were responding to our cyber immortality podcast that we

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<v Speaker 1>did uh about a month back. She says, Hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>love the podcast. Sorry this response is a little delayed

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<v Speaker 1>to the podcast day um and by all means don't

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<v Speaker 1>ever worry about that sending us mail we'd love to

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<v Speaker 1>hear about. So you know, anything you have to say

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<v Speaker 1>about past or currently, time is relative, she says. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get them every weekend. I have to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to them in blocks as you will. I was listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the podcast on cyber immortality and heard the comments

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<v Speaker 1>of the thirty year olds about the thirty year old

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<v Speaker 1>self meeting another's thirty year old self, and the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of living on by downloading your consciousness into a robot.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just wondering if either of you guys had

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<v Speaker 1>heard of a television series called Dollhouse that aired a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago. It was on for two seasons

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<v Speaker 1>and was a Jaw Sweden creation. If not, you can

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<v Speaker 1>netflix it on in streaming. In that series, a group

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<v Speaker 1>of people voluntarily signed their bodies away for five years

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<v Speaker 1>for neurological experiments. The Dollhouse is a place where they

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<v Speaker 1>download your consciousness onto a hard disk and stick it

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<v Speaker 1>in the self in the self shelf. They then use

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<v Speaker 1>that person's body as an empty shell called dolls, where

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<v Speaker 1>they imprint or download personalities into these bodies and send

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<v Speaker 1>them out on engagements missions that range from prostitution to

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<v Speaker 1>bank robbery to surrogate mommies, et cetera. Then, as the

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<v Speaker 1>series progresses, the powers that be in the corporation get

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<v Speaker 1>greedy and decided to start giving away the bodies down

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<v Speaker 1>loaded with a paying customer's consciousness to be to be

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<v Speaker 1>the now dead customer's new body. Uh So it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of immortality, and uh, of course all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of chadek things ensued on the civilized life, security, and

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<v Speaker 1>personal liberties. I thought you guys might want to check

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<v Speaker 1>it out since it follows that awful eyed chain of

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<v Speaker 1>thought as to what could happen. All of these things

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<v Speaker 1>start out as noble little steps for the betterment of man,

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<v Speaker 1>but become monstrous terrors in and of themselves. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast, m all right, I'm gonna check it out. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually seen all the episodes that I should I

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<v Speaker 1>should have mentioned in that in that episode, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>because even though I'm I was. I think, like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people, was less than satisfied with the show

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<v Speaker 1>as it actually come together. It was they tried to

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<v Speaker 1>do some interesting things that they really did tackle a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these ideas that arrived from cyber immortality. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>what if you could what if you could store human

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<v Speaker 1>human's mind, human's identity on a on a disk. What

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<v Speaker 1>if you could switch them around? Um, you know, could

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<v Speaker 1>we live forever? What would happen in personal freedoms? So

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<v Speaker 1>it does explore a lot of those ideas and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and it does get your brain going. But but I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't completely pleased with But yeah, check it out. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Well Weed is great. I love Firefly. You just had

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<v Speaker 1>high standards. That's all which you can do. Well, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if you guys have any thing to share with us,

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<v Speaker 1>If there is there any bits of science fiction or

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:39.280
<v Speaker 1>pop culture that tie into something we've talked about that

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't mentioned or are not aware, I'll let us

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