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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Foundation's podcast. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson, and today I'm chatting with my good buddy

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Speaker 1: Josh Miller, owner of Riverstone Kennels and all around badass

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Speaker 1: dog trainer. Look, this is a fun one for me.

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Speaker 1: Josh is a great dude who has been a dog

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Speaker 1: trainer for a long time now. I have to say

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Speaker 1: I just love his approach. He's realistic about dogs and

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Speaker 1: their abilities, while still asking a lot out of them

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Speaker 1: and holding them accountable. He's also just fair and entirely

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Speaker 1: focused on the long game development of sporting dogs. In

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Speaker 1: this episode, we get into all kinds of topics, including

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Speaker 1: managing old hunting dogs, developing dual purpose hunting dogs, and

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Speaker 1: just learning to take a slow and steady approach to

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Speaker 1: ensure that our sporting dogs can reach their full potential.

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Speaker 1: So buckle up because he drops a ton of killer

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Speaker 1: info on this one. Josh Miller, it's good to see you,

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Speaker 1: buddy YouTube by.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you're one of my favorite people to talk to

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Speaker 1: in the industry. You know, you and I have known

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Speaker 1: each other uh pretty long now, I mean I think

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Speaker 1: we probably met when you were like early young twenties. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you've been You've been going hard with Riverstone Kennel's. Your

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Speaker 1: wife's out there, we helping puppies like crazy. I see

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Speaker 1: you getting the kids involved. You're a busy fella and

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Speaker 1: I know that. Uh, so thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 1: I've been looking forward to this one for a while.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, likewise, you know, it's funny that you say that,

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Speaker 3: because I was actually thinking about that before jumping on here.

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Speaker 3: Now we've known each other for a long time and

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Speaker 3: just kind of the growth that we both had during

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Speaker 3: that time, and you know, the kind of the path

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Speaker 3: that they've you know, taken, and how we've taken those paths.

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Speaker 3: But one thing that I do really love about this

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Speaker 3: industry is like your friendships like you and I have,

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Speaker 3: you know, like you know, the the growth that we've had,

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Speaker 3: and you're still you know, I could not talk to

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Speaker 3: you for eight months and you know, call you up

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Speaker 3: and we talked like we you know, just talked yesterday.

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Speaker 3: So uh, it's been fun man, It's fun you seeing

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Speaker 3: you doing this show. And he's done so great in

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Speaker 3: the past with the other shows, so you haven't excited

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Speaker 1: So I was I was thinking about that, because I

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Speaker 1: think the first our first point of contact was at

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Speaker 1: game fair here in the in the Twin Cities. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure that's where we met first. But I remember interviewing

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Speaker 1: you for a gun Dog magazine article. I mean probably

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Speaker 1: like ten years ago now, nine, ten years ago on

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Speaker 1: Chad Antler's and I remember thinking, like, this guy, this

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Speaker 1: guy not only knows his shit, he's probably gonna be

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Speaker 1: here a while, like, because you know how it is, like,

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Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes you bump across people who are kind of

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Speaker 1: like a rising star and for whatever reason, usually because

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Speaker 1: the business side drags them down. You know, they like

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Speaker 1: the they like a little bit of a recognition and

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Speaker 1: being sort of known as like a flashy new trainer

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Speaker 1: or whatever. But the people who can't manage the business

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Speaker 1: side of things usually get flushed out pretty quick. But

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Speaker 1: you're still here, You're still crushing it.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about dual purpose dogs

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Speaker 1: upland dogs that also do waterfall vice versa. But also

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Speaker 1: just what dogs are capable of because you do a

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Speaker 1: lot of different stuff with dogs. You train a lot

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Speaker 1: of different ways, you're involved in a lot of different things.

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Speaker 1: But before we get into that, I saw a post

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Speaker 1: you guys put up over there on Instagram where you

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Speaker 1: had an eleven and a half year old lab yellow lab,

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Speaker 1: I think out in North Dakota. I think it had

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Speaker 1: a sharpie in its mouth, sharp tail. You took an

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Speaker 1: hunted with it? How did that go?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So it was actually probably a hen Mallard is

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Speaker 3: elkland hunting. But man, like, I'll tell you what so

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Speaker 3: I have I'm in for a lot of heartbreak. My

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Speaker 3: And then I've got you know, Clyde, who who's the

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Speaker 3: you know what's coming right, Like you know, I always

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Speaker 3: And honestly, I just feel blessed that you know, we've

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Speaker 3: I am very grateful for that. But it does it

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Speaker 3: changes a lot of things, you know. So like that

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Speaker 3: out to North Dakota for opener, right, So I'm always

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Speaker 3: know breaking ice to you know big water to you know,

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Speaker 3: have the whole nine yards. But now at this point,

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Speaker 3: trying to find, you know, the easiest hunts they can

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Speaker 3: That's about as easy hunt I could I could come

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Speaker 3: such easy setups for these dogs, right, those stubble fields

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Speaker 2: They're not fighting water, they're not fighting muck, you know.

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Speaker 3: There we can set them up in a place that

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Speaker 3: the one thing I'm fighting with him is he's he's

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Speaker 3: like a lot of times, what I'll do on our

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Speaker 3: Riverstone Kennel's social pages is I'll do stories on our

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Speaker 3: hunts and kind of you show people and kind of

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Speaker 3: I really want to show these hunts from a dog

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Speaker 3: So I'm always trying to show that side of it.

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Speaker 3: But you know, as people saw in that story, and

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Speaker 3: there were times that you know, boom, boom, boom, you know,

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Speaker 3: He turned around, he's looking for a cast, so you

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Speaker 3: why I'm saying, like, I'm not even gonna attempt running

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Speaker 3: It makes you appreciate things differently, you know, like I

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Speaker 3: be conscious of that, Like, don't be put in your

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Speaker 2: You know, be you know, very difficult. It's gonna you

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Speaker 3: For me, that's where I just really try a cherry

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Speaker 3: Like a lot of times when we're traveling, especially in

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Speaker 3: they're in those crates. Well, not for him, right especially

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Speaker 3: after he goes to he runs a bunch. I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to have him, you know, lay in a crate

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Speaker 3: You can see it, like he still does water work, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's I mean, that's a really good point

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Speaker 3: many dollars have trained and how many you puppy clients,

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Speaker 3: you know, we've had, and you know, there's freak accidents

430
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Speaker 3: and there's things that happen and and yeah, I mean

431
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Speaker 3: you just you just feel for that. And one thing

432
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Speaker 3: that that's really interesting is like, you know, my first

433
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Speaker 3: dog that I lost, I was filled with so much regret, man,

434
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Speaker 3: Like I I was like, gosh, I didn't I didn't

435
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Speaker 3: you know, he never he never went to Canada, he

436
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Speaker 3: never went to Arkansas. I never went to all these things, which,

437
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,240
Speaker 3: of course now now is a norm for my dollars,

438
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:49,359
Speaker 3: you know, and but he didn't know that, you know,

439
00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,320
Speaker 3: like he was just he was just happy to go.

440
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Speaker 3: You know, he was happy to go on a little

441
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Speaker 3: pond hunting in Wisconsin with me and shoot two wood ducks.

442
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Speaker 2: You know, like he just thought, yeah.

443
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,840
Speaker 3: And so to me, it's so interesting because like I

444
00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 3: have those conversations with people, Yeah, fairly often. It happens

445
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 3: more and more all the time, because you know, the

446
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,720
Speaker 3: longer that you're in the game, the more you know

447
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 3: dogs and people that you're able to connect with and

448
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,080
Speaker 3: be a part of their life.

449
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Speaker 2: You know, they move on, and it's.

450
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Speaker 3: Just so interesting, Like you know, there's there I think

451
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Speaker 3: there's always gonna be that regret of if you didn't

452
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Speaker 3: get to do something, you know with that dog. And

453
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Speaker 3: but man, like we look at all the all the

454
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Speaker 3: things you did get to do with them, right, and

455
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Speaker 3: like some of them, some of us just situational. Like

456
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Speaker 3: my first dog, Matt I had in high school and

457
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Speaker 3: in college, I couldn't afford gas to go to the trip,

458
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Speaker 3: let alone actually go on the hunting trip, right, So like, yeah,

459
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Speaker 3: if he just had me in a time of my

460
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Speaker 3: life where or that wasn't a thing, And so I

461
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Speaker 3: do the more and more. It's just to me, it's

462
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Speaker 3: just like, man, I just want every one of these

463
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Speaker 3: dogs to get the most out of their life or

464
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Speaker 3: out of their time with me. And you know, fortunately enough,

465
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Speaker 3: you know I have a profession where I can do that.

466
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Speaker 3: But man, like that that decision, to me is that's

467
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Speaker 3: the worst day, you know, you having to make that,

468
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Speaker 3: because you're always going to have like was it the

469
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Speaker 3: right time?

470
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Speaker 2: Was it the young and uh?

471
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Speaker 3: But then again again, like you wouldn't get a puppy

472
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Speaker 3: and sign up for that day all over again if

473
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Speaker 3: that ride wasn't worth having to make that decision, right.

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Speaker 1: You You mentioned way earlier about you know, handling your

475
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Speaker 1: your older dogs, and the first thing you said was

476
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Speaker 1: proper nutrition. That's that's something that sort of gets thrown

477
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Speaker 1: around a lot. But an easy way to frame this up, like,

478
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Speaker 1: given the context of this conversation is there have been

479
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Speaker 1: pretty comprehensive studies on the how long dogs can live, right,

480
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Speaker 1: and how long the average dog will live, and an

481
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Speaker 1: overweight dog is on average going to die two years

482
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Speaker 1: younger than it then a dog that's kept in really

483
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Speaker 1: good shape. And so when you think about.

484
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Speaker 3: And that's just life, right, that's not like athletic life.

485
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Speaker 3: That's not like you know, no injuries, no all that stuff.

486
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Speaker 3: And you're right, man, like a lot of dogs are

487
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Speaker 3: just overweight, right.

488
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Speaker 1: And that's this is a I mean, this topic comes

489
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Speaker 1: up a lot on this podcasts and other ones, and

490
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Speaker 1: I know people are sick of hearing it, but the

491
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Speaker 1: reality is like, oftentimes we aren't the best judge of

492
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Speaker 1: our dog's physical fitness, right, you know, like we're so biased.

493
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Speaker 1: The same thing you know you talked about, like your

494
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Speaker 1: your dog with the shoulder injury will swim, and it

495
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Speaker 1: would swim every single time you asked it to because

496
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Speaker 1: that's what they do. But it's up to you to

497
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Speaker 1: decide whether that's a good thing to do for that

498
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Speaker 1: dog or not. And you have to you have to

499
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Speaker 1: step outside the ego a little bit and go, no

500
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Speaker 1: matter how much I want that, and no matter how

501
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Speaker 1: much he'll do that, that's not the best thing for him.

502
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Speaker 1: It's the same thing, you know, like if you if

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Speaker 1: you take that dog into the vet and it's seven

504
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Speaker 1: pounds heavier than it was last year and it's you know,

505
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Speaker 1: yearly check up or whatever, your Vet's like, hey, this

506
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Speaker 1: this dog could be could drop you know, ten or

507
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Speaker 1: twenty percent. That's in the interest of the dog's health. Like,

508
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Speaker 1: it's not a reflection on you, like make those changes,

509
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Speaker 1: you know, like cut down on the treats, whatever you

510
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Speaker 1: have to do, cut down on the daily feed, which

511
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: is the easiest way to cut their weight, right, like

512
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Speaker 1: manage their intake. But the endgame, the end goal of

513
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 1: that is you know, potentially going to be a couple

514
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Speaker 1: extra years of that dog being with you. That's a

515
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Speaker 1: huge deal.

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Speaker 2: It's a huge deal.

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Speaker 3: And this is again why I really love sporting dogs

518
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Speaker 3: specific bets, right because let's reality is majority people listen

519
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 3: to this are looking at the dogs as athletes and

520
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Speaker 3: as gun dogs, right, Like, even if they're not.

521
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Speaker 2: A lot of this still applies.

522
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Speaker 3: I've said to me, all the still flies, right because

523
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Speaker 3: a sporting dog bet is just going to be a

524
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Speaker 3: little more you know cruise line, like not having the

525
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Speaker 3: dog overweight, because they understand not only the risk of injury,

526
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Speaker 3: but feel worse. Right like North or South Dakota opener,

527
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Speaker 3: I think for pheasants is this weekend, isn't it? Yep?

528
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Speaker 3: I mean like going in there, like the number of dogs,

529
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Speaker 3: think of the number of dogs that are overweight, have

530
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Speaker 3: been sitting on the couch for the last eight months,

531
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Speaker 3: and then they're going to go be asked to run

532
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Speaker 3: a marathon. Like it's actually crazy and this is where

533
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Speaker 3: to me, not to you know, totally go on a soapbox,

534
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Speaker 3: but like to me, you know, we all humanize our

535
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Speaker 3: dogs to a point. I think, you know, every one

536
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Speaker 3: of us can say we're guilty of that, right, some

537
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Speaker 3: more than others, of course, but I think all of

538
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Speaker 3: us are guilty of that. But I think what's interesting

539
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Speaker 3: is that I've said this a lot. I really think

540
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Speaker 3: that people humanize their dogs until it's no longer convenient

541
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Speaker 3: to humanizing them. Right, So, like that situation right there,

542
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Speaker 3: you would never ask a thirty year old man that

543
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Speaker 3: has been sitting not doing a single workout, a single anything,

544
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Speaker 3: you know, sitting on the couch, over wage, you know,

545
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Speaker 3: and then be like, hey, you're gonna go run a

546
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Speaker 3: marathon for four days in a row while we're out

547
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Speaker 3: here on this hunt. Like you wouldn't ask that, right,

548
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 3: but you know, of our dog, we would do it.

549
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Speaker 3: And you know, and we had a client a few

550
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Speaker 3: years ago, uh and she's super nice and we've since

551
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Speaker 3: had like this dog it turned out to be really,

552
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Speaker 3: really nice. But I remember the first time she came

553
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Speaker 3: in with her husband and the dog was overh And

554
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Speaker 3: I'm very open about that, I get, I feel, like,

555
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 3: respectfully but very open about because like, for me, if

556
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 3: I'm going to have your dog for three four months

557
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 3: and have the dog in train, the dog has to

558
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Speaker 3: be at the mental peak of what it can be

559
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 3: to get the most out of this time. Well, to

560
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Speaker 3: be at the mental peak, you have to be at

561
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Speaker 3: the physical peak. Like there's no there's no personal animal

562
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Speaker 3: that has ever been physically out of shape and mentally

563
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Speaker 3: just been like at the epitome right like they do.

564
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Speaker 3: They do work hand in hand and so my like

565
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Speaker 3: the first thing I told them, I was like, guys, like,

566
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to cut some weight out this dog.

567
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it looked like a beer keg

568
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Speaker 3: with legs. I mean, it was just it was so

569
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Speaker 3: out of shape. And yeah, and you know, she didn't

570
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Speaker 3: like it at first, and she's like, she's like, yo,

571
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Speaker 3: I want my dogs fat and happy. And I said, man,

572
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Speaker 3: with all due respect, those tours and not go hand

573
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Speaker 3: in hand.

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Speaker 2: They don't.

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Speaker 3: They don't belong in the same sentence noge, you know,

576
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Speaker 3: because and the same with people right like like you just.

577
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Speaker 2: There's there's a level of especially.

578
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Speaker 3: Being an athlete, that you just have to be at

579
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Speaker 3: a mental and physical condition for you to be able

580
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Speaker 3: to perform at the highest level. And so you know, again,

581
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 3: I think sporting dog vets do a great job being

582
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Speaker 3: critical of Hey, this is where I think your dog

583
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 3: should be versus where it is. And that's why I

584
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Speaker 3: really push people, especially anyone that has a sporting dog,

585
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 3: find yourself a sporting dog vet because you know, a

586
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Speaker 3: lot of vests just the reality you think about the masses, right,

587
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 3: the masses. If you're listening to this and you are

588
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Speaker 3: a gun dog owner, a sporting dog owner that owns

589
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 3: an athlete, you are the minority, you know, between you

590
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 3: look at all the shitsuos and chua wahs and and

591
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 3: you know your name a breed poodle right that is

592
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 3: at home. That is just the family value. I have

593
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Speaker 3: nothing against that. I think a part of the family

594
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 3: is where a dog should be. I think it's a

595
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 3: fantastic thing. But the vast majority of dogs out there

596
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 3: are not being looked at as athletes. So the un

597
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 3: average vest is going to see much more of them

598
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: than they are of your athlete. And so for me,

599
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Speaker 3: like if I have a sports injury, I want to

600
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 3: go to a Dodger or a specialist that deals with

601
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 3: those fourth injuries, right, And so to me, finding the

602
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 3: right bet to have, I a would say have on

603
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 3: your team because I do think it's a big deal.

604
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 3: If there's an issue, I want to call somebody that

605
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 3: I know is going to be familiar with what it

606
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 3: is I'm talking about. It is a big deal. To me,

607
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 3: it's a really big deal.

608
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Speaker 1: I agree one hundred percent. I want to back up

609
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Speaker 1: just one second, just to clarify this, because you mentioned

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Speaker 1: that the Dakota's openers are coming up, but by the

611
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Speaker 1: time this episode drops, they will have come and gone.

612
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Speaker 1: So if anybody's listened to this in Panicy, that they

613
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Speaker 1: hounded too early or anything, you didn't. That's the nature

614
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: of recording podcasts, right, You're one hundred percent right. And

615
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: one of the things I just want to touch on

616
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: two things before we move on there. The overweight dog

617
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: thing isn't just your dog could die two years earlier.

618
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: You mentioned this or alluded to this. It's a quality

619
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Speaker 1: of life issue. So when you think about the impact

620
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: on the joints and how that dog can function later

621
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Speaker 1: in life if it's you know, ten or twenty per

622
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: sent overweight, which is not that much with a lot

623
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Speaker 1: of dogs. You're talking five to ten pounds maybe, which

624
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: is the easy thing to miss on your own dog, right.

625
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: The difference in the joint health and some of the

626
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: other things that can happen that can you might not

627
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: notice when that dog's four, but could become an issue

628
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: at seven versus ten. That that's a huge deal. There's

629
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Speaker 1: a lot to it. The other thing that I just

630
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: want to touch on quickly here that I one hundred

631
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: percent agree with you on this is finding the right vet.

632
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I've I've interviewed tons of veterinarians for my job.

633
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: Most of them lean into this world pretty hard, but

634
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,479
Speaker 1: some of them have come from academia, some of them

635
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: come from outside. I've dealt with, you know, really good

636
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: sporting dog vets with my personal dogs, and I've dealt

637
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: with vets from the Twin Cities who are primarily dealing

638
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: with those Shitsuos and chihuahuas that you're talking about, and

639
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: the difference is huge, And I will never forget my dog.

640
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: We have you know, and you know this where you live,

641
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: we have really high exposure to ticks up here. You

642
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: get the spring thing that you can kind of avoid

643
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: to some extent, not I mean, you can't avoid it completely,

644
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: but you can sort of mitigate it. But then we

645
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: get that fall tick situation where if you're doing that

646
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: gross woodcock thing and the and the temperatures are a

647
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: little bit higher than normal in the beginning October, middle October,

648
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: you can get you know, your dogs can pick up

649
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: a ton of ticks. And one of the experiences I

650
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: had with one of my past dogs was a vet

651
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: who just didn't really consider tick exposure when my dog

652
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: had some stuff going on. And my dogs are always treated,

653
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: but there's like a there's a level of exposure there

654
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: where they're going to pick up something over time, Like

655
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: you can't avoid everything all the time with the over

656
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: the countertick stuff. And it was a real eye opener

657
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: to me because the next vet that we had had

658
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: two labs that she trained, she hunted with, and she

659
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: trained for a ton of different stuff. She would train

660
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: them to go get laundry out of the laundry basket,

661
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: like just give them jobs, and she was instantly When

662
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: she started explaining that to me, I'm like, this is

663
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: my person. Like I can tell because she's using this,

664
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: she's thinking about this dog's mental health as well as

665
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: its physical health. But how she handled potential tick born

666
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: diseases and that kind of thing, she just viewed it

667
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: through a different lens, you know. And when you think

668
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: about the average house dog's going to pick up some

669
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: ticks every year, not like our dogs. Right, like your

670
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,239
Speaker 1: dog getting injured doing something out there and wrenching its

671
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: shoulder in a weird way, that is a thing that's

672
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: going to happen to every sporting dog to some level,

673
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: at some point in their life. They're going to have

674
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: some kind of injury like that that might never happen

675
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: to a house dog. And so there is just a difference.

676
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: I want to talk I know that, And you mentioned this.

677
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: You're super into waterfall hunting. You travel all over do

678
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: this a lot, but you also upland hunt too. You

679
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: train your dogs for chad antlers. You're one of the

680
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: trainers out there who's looking at dogs like what can

681
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: we do with them? Not just how do we train

682
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: them for this thing or that thing, which is of

683
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: course like a part of the job, but like, where

684
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: else can we include them in our lives? Which I

685
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: know is sort of the catalyst for a lot of

686
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: the shed dog stuff back when that started coming on,

687
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: and I know you looked at it that way, it's like, well,

688
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: what else can I do with my dog? I'm out

689
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: walking with them anyway in the woods, scouting deer in

690
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: the winter or whatever. And now this thing comes out

691
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: and you're like, Okay, well, now I have four more

692
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: months of doing something with my dog where it has

693
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: a job and there's a reward and there's a training

694
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: aspect to it, and it's just level up the relationship.

695
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: How how do you deal with because you understand the

696
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: potential of dogs that way, and you can see that

697
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: it could keep going, right, Like there's new things that

698
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: are going to come out, We're going to do with

699
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: our dogs, service dogs, whatever they do. But a lot

700
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: of people seem to struggle with like a one pursuit

701
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: dog or you know, like I just want an upland dog.

702
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: I just want a dog that behaves well. And do

703
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: you do you feel like a lot of the people

704
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: you deal with and maybe it isn't so much with

705
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: your your kennel because you have a lot of sporting

706
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: dog people obviously, but it feels like people look at

707
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: dogs and sort of box them in and go, if

708
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: I could just get here, that would be good enough,

709
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: and you're looking at it going they can do this, this,

710
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: this and.

711
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: This, yeah, yeah.

712
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 3: I think the one thing that gets really overlooked is

713
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: how talented these dogs are. Especially you get a dog

714
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: from a good breeder that is doing it the right

715
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 3: way to better the breed to you produce you know,

716
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: even better you know, puppies than what they have, and

717
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: you know that dog is going to be incredibly capable.

718
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: The reality is that that dog is also going to

719
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: be a product in their environment.

720
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 3: Right, So if it gets brought into the house that

721
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: you don't do anything with it, it's not going to

722
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: turn out to be much, right, because that the dog

723
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: is going to be a product of the environments you

724
00:32:59,040 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 3: put them in.

725
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: On the side, like.

726
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: We've had littermates go home and somebody's like, hey, you know,

727
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 3: this dog is going to be a family dog and

728
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: to go to the t ball games gonna you know,

729
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 3: basically I just wanted to be obedient, and you know,

730
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 3: it might go to the game farm once or twice

731
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 3: a year if I have time. And so I wanted

732
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: to be a hunting dog to that extent, and then

733
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: I've had you know, because people's life change all the time, right,

734
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: And I have one specific, you know, one in mind

735
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: that I'm kind of talking about. And then you know,

736
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: that same littermate went to a home that originally that

737
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 3: was the plan, and that the dad just got so

738
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: wrapped up and in love with the training process that

739
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 3: that dog went on the field trial and like what

740
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: he was so wrapped up. He was run a hunt test,

741
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 3: he's run trials, he's doing all stuff because he just

742
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: loved it. Right, So, like you know, what you're saying

743
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 3: is like that dog that the littermate is that did

744
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 3: nothing but go to t ball games and you know,

745
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: you know, go to the family reunion and just kind

746
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: of be a part, probably had the same potential as

747
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: this other dog did.

748
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: Right, But the other dog, the littermate, was in a

749
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: different environment.

750
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: And so it's really interesting to me, you know what

751
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 3: you can get out of these dogs?

752
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: And you know, I love the developmental side.

753
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: You know, I think you know that there's are steps

754
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,959
Speaker 3: you know to take if you really want.

755
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: Like, so if somebody comes to me.

756
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: And says, Hey, I'm gonna duck hunt and and or

757
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: waterfall hunt and open hunt.

758
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to do bolt. I'm really big on getting.

759
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 3: The waterfall side dialed in first, you know, because to me,

760
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 3: from a waterfall side of things, the number one thing

761
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: that any waterfall dog needs to do is be steady.

762
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 3: I believe, quite frankly, that's more important than going and

763
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 3: getting and you know, picking up.

764
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 2: The burden and doing the retreat.

765
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 3: I get it, Like you know, someone could take a

766
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 3: shot of that comment and say, oh, that's why they're there.

767
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: I get that.

768
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 3: But if your dog is being put in a dangerous

769
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 3: situation because they're breaking and getting ot in front those

770
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 3: gun barrels while they're going off, you know, to me,

771
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 3: one they're not going to be nearly be as successful.

772
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 3: And two, what's the point if if you're going to

773
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 3: go home without the dog potentially right, because we all

774
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 3: hear the horror stories of the dog getting shot, and

775
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: so for me, I want you to be steady. It's

776
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: very difficult for that especially young dog that's doing both right.

777
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 3: And generally speaking, if the dog was going to do both,

778
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: he's likely going to upland hunt more often the waterfall

779
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 3: hunt because there's more opportunity to write.

780
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: Anybody can go.

781
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: Down to the hunt club or go down to the

782
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: game farm on a Sunday afternoon and you know, put

783
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: out five six birds and go do it right to

784
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 3: actually go and set up for a waterfall hunt, to

785
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 3: scout and have the spot that set the decos, and

786
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 3: it just takes more. Right. So what we find is

787
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 3: that they're gonna up with hunt probably three to one

788
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 3: if you're doing both well.

789
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: If three times in a.

790
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: Row your young dog is go, go go working in

791
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 3: front of you, you know, up and hunting, and then

792
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: all of a sudden you're like, hey, you're supposed to

793
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 3: sit here and be quiet and fill and call them

794
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 3: for you know, the next four hours.

795
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: You know, that young dog's gonna be going what in

796
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 2: the world are you? You know, what are we.

797
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 3: Doing here right where? What we find is that if

798
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: you do the waterfall side first, make him be steady,

799
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 3: make him you know, just you know, defens times in

800
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 3: that waterfall situation, you know, and have him be a

801
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: duck dog first, then you can always loosen the reins

802
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: and have him go up on hunt, right, But to

803
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: have him go up on hunt and then kind of

804
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 3: rain in this fire breathe and draggon that wants to go,

805
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 3: it's much more difficult. And that's where you get the

806
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 3: dog that maybe starts whining. Maybe he's anxious, maybe he's

807
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 3: not want to sit still, maybe because he doesn't understand

808
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 3: what it is that we're doing here versus if you

809
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: did that first. So generally speaking, that's that's what I

810
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 3: like to do, is is take that process. And I'm

811
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: a very uh progressional guy, like I want I want

812
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 3: to watch the process. I want to develop them the

813
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 3: right way. You know. One thing that I do with

814
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 3: my dog, because I think it is incredibly beneficial, is.

815
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: H I do.

816
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: You know, I'm a sports guy, so I like sports analogies.

817
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: I do a thing that I call a red shirt

818
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 3: my young dogs. So from a duck dog standpoint, I

819
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 3: bring them up. You know, now they're they're training right,

820
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 3: so not maybe not fully trained. Like I never want

821
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: to hunt personally, I never want to hunt one of

822
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: my dogs until they're fully trained, because you start bringing

823
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 3: them on hunts, everything's out uncontrolled, uncontrolled situations, uncontrolled you know, uh,

824
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 3: you know, things come up to where all of a

825
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: sudden you can create how bad habit is created. And

826
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 3: if you're not fully trained, it's gonna be much more

827
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 3: difficult for a dogs to be able to handle that situation.

828
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: And you're gonna these unnecessary hurdles in front of you.

829
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: So instead, what I'll do is I'll bring that young

830
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: dog out again, waterfall situation. I'll bring that young dog

831
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: out with one of my seasoned dogs, and I'll just

832
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: make them sit there and watch. And what this is

833
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 3: doing is a couple of things. One, it's allowing them

834
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 3: to get out and still experience this stuff even though

835
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: they're not fully trained yet, even though I don't want

836
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 3: them out there to potentially creating a bad habit.

837
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: They're learning to sit and be desensitized.

838
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: All the things that we can train for, right, we

839
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 3: can train for, you know, thirty millers dipping around around

840
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 3: and around around on top of us. We can't train for, Hey,

841
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 3: let these four honkers land because there's foury coming behind them.

842
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: They're going to sit down ten feet in front of it.

843
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 3: You know this with this dog. So what happens is

844
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 3: that that young dog goes out first, right, and they

845
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: start going that first time. They have no idea what's

846
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: going on, and then all of a sudden, there's the

847
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 3: excitement in the blind. Then there's quackroa quack on the call.

848
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: Then there's somebody said get them and boom bom boom

849
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: boom boom, and then I got sent. Well that young

850
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: dogs starts coming backwards really quickly, right, so they start going, well,

851
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 3: last time there's boom boom boom, I got to go.

852
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: Or last time that I heard calling, something was gonna happen.

853
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 3: So now I'm gonna get anxious. Now I'm going to

854
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 3: get worked up. Or if they have a season of

855
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 3: sitting there being desensitized all that, that year two when

856
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 3: you actually go for you know, call it your year

857
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: one hunt, that dog is rock steady solid or rock steady,

858
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: rock solid steady, rather they beat that they've been desensitized

859
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 3: of the whole thing. They're not going to be like

860
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 3: that dog that's ripping down. You're wanting to break, wanting

861
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 3: to be on top of them. And I just think

862
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: like that on the on the you know called on

863
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: the job training, right, like we're training, we're just doing

864
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: it in a honey environment now. And you know, for

865
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: me again, I just the safety side of it is

866
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: so crucially important like my dogs. You have to be steady,

867
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: you have to be and so I love that red

868
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 3: stist side of it. And then they sister and honors,

869
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 3: you know, the older dog, and I love that and

870
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 3: uh and I do think that it helps them reach

871
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 3: you know, their quote unquote prime faster because then year

872
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 3: two you don't have bad habits you're trying to reel

873
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: back and try to fix later on, you don't have

874
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: this issue like you know, for me, it's amazing what

875
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 3: these dogs pick up in the field and what they

876
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 3: hold onto. Okay, so Ethan was my first dog. I

877
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: had no idea what I was doing with him. You know,

878
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 3: we had two dogs growing up as families, so I

879
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: don't come from a dog a family. We had two

880
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 3: labs growing up. The most impressive thing either one of

881
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: them did was catch potato chips out of the air.

882
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 3: Like they were not athletes, thore, not hunting dogs. It's

883
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 3: just not what they were. And so you know, when

884
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: I got my first dog in Easton, and I poured

885
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 3: myself into training and prove myself trying to learn, but

886
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 3: I didn't know what was going on. Right, So like

887
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 3: that first year when I took Ethan out waterfall hunting.

888
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: I was. I was kind of a lot with I

889
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: had two buddies in particular, that we'd hunt all over

890
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 3: the place. We'd field goose hunt like crazy, We'd duck

891
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 3: hunt every chance we got. And yeah, he broke, and honestly,

892
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: I didn't know he wasn't supposed to and he picked

893
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 3: up you know, I was just happy he was picking

894
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 3: up birds, right, And so he did over and over

895
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: and over and over and over again. Well after that

896
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 3: first year, I got hooked up with the local retriever club.

897
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: Learned these dogs aren't supposed to break. Learn, they're supposed

898
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 3: to stay. Learn all this stuff right like at the time,

899
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 3: I think I'm sixteen years old, And so I worked

900
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: my tail off and making sure that Easton was steady.

901
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 3: That dog ended up being a master hunter, hunter, resuever champion,

902
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 3: had all these accolades, did all these things. But every

903
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: single year he lived at thirteen and a half, every

904
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: single year that I took him up that first hunt,

905
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: he wanted to break. He knew he wasn't supposed to.

906
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: Write all the training, all the accolades, all the ribbons

907
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 3: show that he doesn't do it. But I'm telling you

908
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 3: that first year of breaking all the time, every single year,

909
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 3: every first hunt, I had to be on him because

910
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: he was going to break every single one. And so

911
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 3: it's just it's amazing the situational side of things, you know,

912
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 3: because I know some people be like, well birds make

913
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: a bird dog. I wanted to have those experiences. Then

914
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: I'll just fix you know, the bad half is to

915
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 3: come up. And I'm telling you, man, it is not

916
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 3: that you does.

917
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: You make a really good point there around steadiness, because

918
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: anybody who knows anything about waterfall dogs knows that that

919
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: is like the lynchpin that holds the whole thing together.

920
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: It just is like, but if you're not a hardcore

921
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: duck hunter, you can look at steadiness and be like, well,

922
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: it's not that important dove hunting. It's pretty important around

923
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: the house if you don't want a dog, if you

924
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: want an obedient dog when you take your kids to

925
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: the soccer field or whatever. Steadiness is an unnatural thing

926
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: for them because they are not naturally steady, which is

927
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: why it's so hard to train and get a stick.

928
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: But it is something that is like the It is

929
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: like a cornerstone of well behaved dogs in the blind

930
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: and out of the blind and it's just an it's

931
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: an unnatural thing to ask. So like what you said

932
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 1: there about you know, people are like, well, I want

933
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: I want my dog to retrieve, Like, yeah, everybody does, right,

934
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: but your dog already wants to do that most likely.

935
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: Like that is that is a very natural inclination for them.

936
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: So that's partially fun, Like that's fun to do, it's

937
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: fun to train. It's fun to see that develop. But

938
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: that's generally a hell of a lot easier than getting

939
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: them to sit there and watch ducks hit the water

940
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: or aper land and them wait, you know, ten twenty

941
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: thirty forty seconds as you work them down this path

942
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: and I know you do this. There are a lot

943
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: of ways to work in steadiness, almost from the moment

944
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: you get that eight week old puppy home, you know,

945
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: making them wait for two seconds to go eat before

946
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: you let them go eat or whatever like, there are

947
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: little things to build that in to get them to

948
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: understand that that is a thing that will be asked

949
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: of them, not just in the duck blind ten times

950
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: a year, but throughout the entire year, in a variety

951
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: of different ways. And it is you know, if you

952
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: don't duck hunt and you're listening to this the other

953
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: side of this with upland hunting that you know, Josh,

954
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,479
Speaker 1: you deal with this constantly, I'm sure is the thing

955
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: that exists in upland that's just like steadiness or probably

956
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: a really close parallel. It's recall, right, like I can

957
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: get my dog to come back in the yard sometimes,

958
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: but then you get out into the field and it's

959
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: super exciting and that dog chases a hen, you know,

960
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: pheazan or something, and you can't get that dog back

961
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: because it's an unnatural thing. Like it's another thing that yeah,

962
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: like you could hunt your whole life with a dog.

963
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: If you can't call it back, you could maybe get

964
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: away with it. It wouldn't be much fun, it wouldn't be

965
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: very safe, like you'd swear a lot. But that thing,

966
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: that skill is an unnatural thing that they need to

967
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: know to be good. And it's just it's easy to

968
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: lean into the fun stuff that they take to naturally,

969
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: but you know, you can't just live.

970
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: Off of that.

971
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 3: Now you're spot on telling you know, one of the

972
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 3: things that I actually I'll have very respectful debates with

973
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 3: people that want to have the other side of it,

974
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 3: of that I don't want my dog to be steady,

975
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 3: right because in a waterfall situation, you know we're talking here,

976
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 3: there is no reason and like I've not heard one

977
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: yet that justifies the dog not being steady because safety

978
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 3: should be the first and foremost on all of our minds, right,

979
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 3: and that is going to keep your dog safe. The

980
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 3: reality is is that if you're the dog handler, you're

981
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 3: thinking about the dog.

982
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: Nobody else is.

983
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 3: Everybody else came to pull the trigger, so everybody else

984
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 3: is thinking up pulling the trigger.

985
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: Now.

986
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: You may be in a certain situation, a certain blind

987
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 3: that you feel more safe with it because maybe you're

988
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 3: you're elevated or you're up or whatever. But like ground blinds,

989
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 3: you know, pits, layouts, I mean all these things, Like

990
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 3: you are at the dog's level. There is not a

991
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 3: more dangerous place on that planet for that dog to

992
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: be than out in front of the barrels that they're

993
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 3: going off. And every single year I hear about a

994
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 3: horror story and could you imagine watching your dog go

995
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 3: and get ripped apart by your buddy pulling the trigger?

996
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 3: I mean, like it's a nightmare situation, Like you don't

997
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 3: want to think about it, right, but let's just take

998
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: that off the table. Okay, safe, do the off the table. Okay,

999
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 3: Why would I want my dog to be safe? Your

1000
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 3: dog is going to be a more efficient retriever being sety, right,

1001
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: because if it's sitting there and you knock down four birds,

1002
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: your dog can officially mark all four of those birds,

1003
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 3: can go one, two, three, four, boom, and then can

1004
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: go get one, come back, know where the next one is, reset,

1005
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 3: go come back because it's round he is. If your

1006
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 3: dog's not steady, you're probably not running blind. You probably

1007
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: don't have the level of control to whistle, sit, have

1008
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 3: him turn and look at you and give him a

1009
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 3: cast of direction. So if your dog is breaking and

1010
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 3: you know, picking up that first bird as it's hitting

1011
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 3: the water, he's not even seeing birds two, three, four

1012
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 3: go down, doesn't even know they're out there, right, So

1013
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 3: from an efficiency standpoint, you're a more efficient retriever being steady.

1014
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 3: But the safety, to me, that that is like the

1015
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: epitome of it.

1016
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: If I mean, I.

1017
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 3: Look at my family, right, so like you know, my

1018
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: dogs strike is my daughter's absolute pride and joy, like

1019
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 3: she she does everything with that dog, loves that dog.

1020
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: If that dog.

1021
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 3: Doesn't come home on a hot I'd have no idea

1022
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 3: what to tell her, right, Like I would rather him

1023
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 3: not pick up a single bird and come home safe

1024
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 3: and sound of that little girl than I would with

1025
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 3: him picking everything up. But you know he's breaking and

1026
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 3: he gets you get shot. You know, there's just no

1027
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: no reason for it, and you're right, like, I think

1028
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 3: that's a great point to him, Like it's unnatural, like

1029
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 3: so much to like, like Oppenheim, you can as long

1030
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 3: as you got a good burning gun introduction, you're done

1031
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 3: to where you have a dog that's bird crazy and

1032
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 3: it's good with the guns. You can kind of let

1033
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 3: an uplin in that again with limited expectations, right, you

1034
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 3: can let an upline you know, retriever kind of go

1035
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 3: and figure it out and learn because everything's natural. Right,

1036
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: he's using his nose, he's tracking trailing, he's watching it,

1037
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: you know, flush, he's going to pick it up, and

1038
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 3: he's he's to go down. Right, So like you can

1039
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 3: get away with more of it there, waterfowl, you have

1040
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: to be under control, Like obedience is utmost important. I

1041
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 3: would argue obedience is upmost important on the up and

1042
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 3: side too, because that can get out of control in

1043
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 3: a hurry, and again I think safety's first and foremost,

1044
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 3: Like I don't want that that dog chasing that hen

1045
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: that we can't shoot, you know, towards that road where

1046
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 3: there's an F two fifty ripping down there at seven

1047
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 3: miles an hour right and doesn't see the dog. Like

1048
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 3: there are just too many things that can come up.

1049
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: Safety should be first and foremost. And I think everybody

1050
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 3: wants to skip around the obedience because it's not fun,

1051
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:58,919
Speaker 3: it's not sexy, it's not cool.

1052
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: I can't get it. Could do a video and put

1053
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 2: it on.

1054
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 3: I think social media is about the worst thing that

1055
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 3: that happened for, you know, for dog, you know, training

1056
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: and dog relationships deal with us and our dog, because

1057
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 3: everyone wants to show like, oh this is cool and

1058
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 3: fun stuff. I cannot tell you how many people when

1059
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 3: they call me like, oh, my dogs.

1060
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: You know, when my dog, you'll get past fifty yards,

1061
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to whistle to it. How do I

1062
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: fix that?

1063
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 3: I'm like obediing, like no, no, no, he does obedience good.

1064
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 3: I'm like no, like that's obedient. Like almost any issue

1065
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 3: you're having can be traced back to an obedient issue

1066
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 3: and but everybody wants to do like some treat training

1067
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 3: to do some quick on lead move on and think,

1068
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: hey I'm past that, and it's like no obedience every

1069
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 3: day entire life, you type in activity. People just have

1070
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: to embrace it.

1071
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you just have to understand it. I

1072
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: want to clarify quick because when you when you talk

1073
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: about steadiness in the in the duck blind or the

1074
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: boat being a safety thing. Here here's what happens. You

1075
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: go out there, you have your dog that that's going

1076
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: to break, right, and somebody knocks down a mallard and

1077
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: it hits the water, and that that shooter or somebody

1078
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: else in the blind decides they're gonna they're gonna dispatch

1079
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: that cripple on the water, right, So your guns aren't

1080
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: pointed straight up. Their guns are pointed level and that

1081
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: dog breaks and jumps out of that boat to get

1082
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: over the side of the boat, jump out of the blind.

1083
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: That's when they get shot. And you may have not

1084
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: have heard that in your life. If you're listening to this,

1085
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: I've heard it plenty. Josh has heard it plenty. It happens,

1086
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean, it's it's not like a

1087
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: high likelihood thing, but it gets a hell of a

1088
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: lot more likely if that dog's going to break and

1089
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: if you're hunting with you know, more people or people

1090
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: you don't know very well, like the rule, they're not

1091
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: going to follow the rules on what happens when a

1092
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: cripple gets knocked down. Whatever. Like those things are real.

1093
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: The recall thing with the safety is pretty easy to

1094
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: understand for people. But both of those things, like Josh said,

1095
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: are should be first and foremost, you know, I mean,

1096
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: there is a nice side benefit to those dogs being

1097
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: a hell of a lot more pleasant to hunt with,

1098
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: for sure, but also, like you said, they're going to

1099
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: come home with you when you when you talk about

1100
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: red shirting a pup and bringing it in there to

1101
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: the blind and running an older dog that knows the

1102
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: stuff and just making that younger dog sit back and

1103
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: watch and learn to sort of you know, you're you're

1104
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: conditioning it sort of to tune out distraction, which is great.

1105
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: And also just to understand like this is not my call,

1106
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, like I I have to wait for my

1107
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: release command. I have to wait for the okay to

1108
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: go do this. When you do that, I'm assuming that

1109
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: you probably have somebody else running the gun and you're

1110
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: sitting there just running the dog.

1111
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 2: Right.

1112
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm entirely focused on the dog, like this

1113
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 3: is about that dog and that experience.

1114
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one of the.

1115
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 3: Other things that it curbs is I would say the

1116
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 3: number one thing, especially in season, that I get asked

1117
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: about if people, how do I fix this? It's whiny.

1118
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 3: Your dog's vocal in the blind. It's just sort of

1119
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: you know, just it sounds like che box. You're sitting

1120
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 3: there at the end of the blind with you right,

1121
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 3: like it's it's not a fun thing. It's not a

1122
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 3: pleasant thing. If I could come up with some sort

1123
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: of a system to fix that with one hundred percent

1124
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: of dogs, that'd be the risky dog trainer that that

1125
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 3: ever ever was.

1126
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 2: You know, just one of those things.

1127
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 3: But but you know, to me, there's two things.

1128
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: One, I really do believe it's free.

1129
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 3: I think know your dogs produce noisy dogs, if think

1130
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 3: there's certain lines to just your producer. And for me,

1131
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 3: as I'm going through and infelecting my stud dogs, I've

1132
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 3: had to break my own heart numerous times because this

1133
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 3: dog is the real deal. But he was vocal or

1134
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 3: he made a noise or he's making noises, because I

1135
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 3: really do believe knows your dogs produce no dogs. Now,

1136
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 3: whether it's a noise dog or a quiet dog, you

1137
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 3: can mishandle that dog and make them either either nosier

1138
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 3: or noisy. If you had a naturally quiet dog, make

1139
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 3: them noisy. And I think the number one way to

1140
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 3: do that is to bring them out on a hunt

1141
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 3: like that and have it be go go, go, go go. Right,

1142
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 3: So like, especially if you're on a quick hunt. Right, so,

1143
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: like the first hunt for that dog, most of us

1144
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: wanted to be a slam dog, right, most of us

1145
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 3: on to be, Hey, we've got this slammer field. He's

1146
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 3: gonna get bunch tree trees. This gonna be great for him.

1147
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 3: He's gonna pick up a lot of feathers, a lot

1148
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 3: of opportunities. And I think there's a lot of validity

1149
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 3: around that thought. But it was that first dog time

1150
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 3: or that first time in the blind for that dog.

1151
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: He's gonna be sitting there going, oh my gosh, this

1152
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:16,439
Speaker 2: is why you get to do next.

1153
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 3: When you get the next it's like you know, a

1154
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 3: lot of times, like when you bring a puppy home,

1155
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 3: you know, I always say, like, if you bring an

1156
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 3: eight week go puppy home and you start throwing that

1157
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 3: puppy t retree, you this retriever, you're just doing that

1158
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 3: to validate to yourself, to you you bought a retriever, Like,

1159
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 3: you're not teaching the dog anything.

1160
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: You don't.

1161
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 3: That's one thing that I think is kind of interesting

1162
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 3: when people are like, oh, I taught it to retreat, Well,

1163
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 3: he didn't teach a to retreat, like grand mom and

1164
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 3: dad and Grandpa and Grahama and genetics taught that dog retreat.

1165
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 3: You didn't teach it to retreat. But in this situation here,

1166
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 3: like if you ramp that up and it's just retreat,

1167
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 3: retreat for retreat, retreat, retreat for that dog as a puppy,

1168
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 3: you're gonna create some bad habits with that, right, Just

1169
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 3: like on this hunt, if it's go go, go, go,

1170
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 3: go go, Now, all of a sudden, that dog is

1171
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 3: jacked up as out of tonaos, right, so the hunt

1172
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 3: flows down. What happens that dog is still jacked up

1173
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 3: and anty if I give him a whole season of

1174
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 3: him going to that blind fitting and watching everything and

1175
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 3: not letting him think that I'm going to get to

1176
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 3: go go get this thing after these guns go off,

1177
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 3: then I just I just bring.

1178
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: That right back and I chill that out.

1179
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 3: Now, I do believe, I do understand, like cause I

1180
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 3: know there's people that are listening to this being like

1181
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 3: there's no way I'm bringing my dog out for a

1182
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 3: whole season and not not letting go get a retreat, right,

1183
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 3: I do understand. I'm in a unique position, right, So

1184
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: like I own you know, eight to ten dogs all

1185
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 3: the time, so I always have an older dog to

1186
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 3: you know, to satisfy, y know, my want of want

1187
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 3: my dogs.

1188
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 2: He'll pick up retreats.

1189
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 3: So it is easier for me to have you know,

1190
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: have you know, my varsity player and have my JV

1191
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 3: player there.

1192
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 2: My JV player.

1193
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 3: Doesn't go, he doesn't get to play, but he gets

1194
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 3: to sit there and understand what the game's all about.

1195
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 2: And that's easier for me.

1196
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 3: But I have had so many clients, like I cannot

1197
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 3: tell you how many people have said I did that

1198
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 3: and it was the absolute you know this my fourth

1199
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 3: dog or pift dog there, it was the absolute best

1200
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 3: thing I ever did for any of my dog is

1201
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 3: go through that one teasing because you just back it

1202
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 3: off right, So then all of a sudden, you're two

1203
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 3: like that dog is so conditioned to everything that you

1204
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 3: can't train for. He's prepared like it's it's like, you know,

1205
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 3: how often do we talk about an NFL quarterback that

1206
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 3: gets drafted number one or number two and the guy

1207
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 3: all was talent, but to get thrown into the fire,

1208
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 3: you know, with you know, uh, you know, little experience,

1209
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 3: the wrong team, all this stuff, and the guy failed, right,

1210
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 3: Versus you talk about the guy that you know, sat

1211
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 3: behind Aaron Rodgers for you know, for four years and

1212
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 3: was prepared when he went and hit the field, right,

1213
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 3: That guy's set up for success, right, He's with the

1214
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 3: right team, He's had the right preparation. Like, but then again,

1215
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 3: we don't think of our dogs that way, you know,

1216
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 3: and so we just how do we set them up

1217
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 3: for success? That has to be you know, the goal

1218
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 3: for any specificate young dog, for any dog going into

1219
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 3: the field.

1220
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: Man, I will never forget and talking to docin about

1221
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: that where he told me and I did this with

1222
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: Luna when she was young because I didn't have an

1223
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: older dog like you're talking about. He is like, find

1224
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: somebody to be your shooter, go scout out those what

1225
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: ducks you like, and don't bring a gun. Work work

1226
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: that dog, pay attention to it, like hold that dog accountable,

1227
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: and work it through these things, and do not be

1228
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: the shooter. Be focused entirely on the dog. And you know,

1229
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: I probably didn't do it as much as I should,

1230
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 1: but I did it a lot more than I would

1231
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: have ever considered. And it was like a totally different

1232
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: world for me, you know, and I feel that, I mean,

1233
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: this is maybe a weird parallel, but now you know,

1234
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: my daughters are hunting deer like crazy, and I'm not

1235
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 1: carrying a weapon very much anymore, not like I did

1236
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: for years and years and years. Right, the entire like

1237
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: vibe of that hunt change is so much where I

1238
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: feel like so much more confident about just making the

1239
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: right choices and just just following the process through in

1240
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: the right way. And I see it when I take

1241
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 1: my daughters out. I see it when I take young

1242
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: dogs out where it's like, as soon as you kind

1243
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: of set that aside and go, you're not going to

1244
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: be the one who gets the grip and grin to

1245
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: throw up on Instagram. Now you're just here for this dog.

1246
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: You are you are putting in something that's really kind

1247
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 1: of a short term thing when you when you consider

1248
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: the overall life of a dog, but the value is incredible.

1249
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 2: And you have so much more satisfaction having done that.

1250
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 3: Right when when you go through a year of like

1251
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 3: guns away, I'm focused on the dog. We're on the fly,

1252
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 3: on you know, on the job training here, right, so

1253
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 3: we're like we're working. I'm seeing this through a different lens, right,

1254
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 3: so I'm looking through the dog's eyes. And then all

1255
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 3: of a sudden you fast forward to the next year

1256
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 3: and you go, gosh, like, look at well they're done.

1257
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 3: There's gonna be so much pride and satisfaction that you

1258
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 3: have because you had the sacrifice and going through it.

1259
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 3: And and I think, I think that that is so

1260
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 3: valuable for so many of us of you know, going

1261
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:46,720
Speaker 3: through that process.

1262
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 2: Right.

1263
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 3: So like for me, I know, I went through like

1264
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 3: that early phase of I had to kill as many

1265
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 3: ducks as I possibly could. You know why, I don't know,

1266
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 3: Like I would just you know, young, and I felt

1267
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 3: like you were pulling the trigger met you were successful,

1268
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 3: and you know, and then I graduated through I think

1269
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 3: a little different than a lot of people do because

1270
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 3: my you know, the dog side of things. But like

1271
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 3: I went immediately into the dogs, I'm like, I really

1272
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 3: don't care about pulling the trigger. I just want to

1273
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 3: be here for the dogs. And now I'm here with

1274
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 3: my kids. And and that's a whole other evolution of

1275
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 3: looking at at things through their eyes and it but

1276
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 3: it but it does make you appreciate that process, right,

1277
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 3: because if you're there pulling the trigger, you don't see

1278
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 3: all the things that are going on between those years.

1279
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 3: Like there's a lot of thoughts and a lot of emotion,

1280
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 3: a lot of like, oh my gosh moments, And if

1281
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 3: you're watching that, I think it's just it's a really

1282
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 3: easy thing, you know, to love and and and then

1283
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 3: to just understanding that process. And I think when you

1284
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 3: see it, when you're when you're not pulling the trigger

1285
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 3: and you're watching it, right, don't like, yeah, he's not

1286
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 3: ready to get sent yet, but like his his mind

1287
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 3: is getting blown right now, and uh, and it is.

1288
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 2: It's really a fun thing to watch.

1289
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: So speaking of what's going on between their ears, I've

1290
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: always heard that, you know, people people have problems with

1291
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: vocal dogs, right, Like you said, if you figured out

1292
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: the match formula to get dogs to stop whining and barking,

1293
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 1: you'd be a billionaire and you would be one hundred percent.

1294
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: It's a very hard thing to cure once it's once

1295
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: it's there, And I've had different trainers tell me that

1296
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: they think it's because the dogs don't know they're doing it,

1297
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: so correcting them on it is sort of like a

1298
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: lightning bolt coming out of the sky that they don't

1299
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: connect with a behavior that they're doing. You know, that

1300
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: dog breaks, or that dog doesn't come back right away,

1301
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: or you know something you know drops that bumper at

1302
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: your feet instead of delivering it to hand. There's an

1303
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: action there that when you correct that dog can make

1304
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: that connection. But do you think that they they like

1305
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: truly don't really know they're doing it. It's sort of

1306
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: an involuntary thing that they just kind of like don't

1307
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: connect as like a intention.

1308
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, I think in a lot of cases.

1309
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 3: Yet I do think there are cases that the dog

1310
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 3: is just maybe being a little agreetous with it. Maybe

1311
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 3: it will do like that wide open mouth like you know,

1312
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 3: something like that. Then I'm gonna crect it because you

1313
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 3: know you're doing it then.

1314
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 2: But if it's a.

1315
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 3: What I've seen is that it frustrates people. Right, So

1316
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 3: what happens when you get frustrated, you're either gonna reach

1317
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 3: over and make a correction. You're gonna hit you know,

1318
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 3: hit the e co or make it correction. But the

1319
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 3: dog can't correct something that he doesn't understand is wrong. Right,

1320
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 3: And so if it's coming out of you know, from

1321
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 3: an anxiousness standpoint, if it's coming out because of that,

1322
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 3: you're just gonna make that dog more anxious by correcting

1323
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 3: them on something that they don't understand why they're being corrected.

1324
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 3: And uh, and so you actually make it worse, right,

1325
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 3: So you can you can just build up this anxiety. Now,

1326
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 3: the one that that Doug get me is uh. And

1327
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 3: I think if we're being honest with ourselves, we say

1328
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 3: this because we all love our dogs. We adore our dogs,

1329
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 3: we love that they want to be their love. But

1330
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 3: when that happens more times than a hour I'm talking

1331
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 3: to people, what they'll say is like, he's just he's

1332
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 3: just so driven, or he just loves you want to

1333
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 3: go so bad and he just so that that's Rosecard glasses, right,

1334
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 3: that that you're looking at things trying to Because for me,

1335
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 3: I can show you a quiet dog that doesn't make

1336
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 3: a noise, that wants to go just as bad, right,

1337
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 3: and he's when you say his name, he's gonna go.

1338
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 2: Just as hard. And you know, so it is a

1339
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: it is a bad habit.

1340
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 3: Now again, I do think the reason I talk about

1341
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 3: genetics and why, like I really do believe that's where

1342
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 3: it starts. And I think I think you know your

1343
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 3: dog's produce, knows your dog. The reason they even talk

1344
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 3: about that is because I do want people to understand,

1345
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 3: like it may not be you, like, it may be

1346
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 3: that this is just who this dog is. And you

1347
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 3: can rip your hair out trying to figure it out,

1348
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 3: and you're ever gonna get there, right, and so sometimes

1349
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 3: you just have to.

1350
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 2: Accept that this is who this dog is.

1351
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,479
Speaker 3: But I really do believe that starting the dog out

1352
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 3: the right way and developing them, you know, in that

1353
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 3: progressional way, instead of just throwing them the wolves and

1354
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 3: go go go, go go unlet's pump this up, because

1355
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you pump a dog up, there's only one

1356
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 3: way that they're going it's up, right, So you have

1357
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 3: to be able to just manage that. And it's just

1358
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 3: you know, it's exciting, right, Like I had a client

1359
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 3: literally pick up a dog today and I won't use

1360
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 3: the name because he's in the industry and the waterfall

1361
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 3: industry in particular. And he looked at me and he goes,

1362
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 3: man like, I got these hunts lined up and the Dakotas,

1363
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 3: and do you think that I.

1364
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 2: Could just take the puppy?

1365
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 3: You know, this is an eight week old puppy, right,

1366
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 3: you think I just take the puppy with in the body?

1367
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: Like is that a bad idea? And I looked at him.

1368
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 3: I was like, that is a terrible Like yeah, like,

1369
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 3: do not do that, you know. And he's like, well

1370
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 3: you kind of walk me through why. I was like, okay,

1371
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 3: risk reward is the risk worth the reward? So in

1372
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 3: this case, the reward is you say, oh, like the

1373
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 3: noise didn't seem to bother, right, That's that's the reward,

1374
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 3: right because there's nothing more that's coming out of that.

1375
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 3: The risk is we have gun shyness, we have you know,

1376
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 3: noise sensitivity, We have a doll that is just completely

1377
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 3: becoming a shell of herself because she has no idea

1378
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 3: what's going on. Like, it is not worth that risk.

1379
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 3: And I think we just we all just get so

1380
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 3: wrapped up into the excitement of having that new young

1381
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 3: dog around, which it is awesome, you know. I mean

1382
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 3: I get to see it every day like it is.

1383
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 3: It is fantastic, and I love that people get so

1384
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 3: excited about it. But I'm always I'm a I'm a

1385
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 3: long term person. I want to I want to play

1386
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 3: the long game. Now, I do understand so much of

1387
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 3: our society is the exact opposite, right, Like we can

1388
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 3: get Dane Hear anything that we want in the world

1389
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 3: and a click in two day shipping. Right So, Like,

1390
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 3: but dogs are not bad. They are never gonna be.

1391
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,479
Speaker 3: It's not how it's gonna work. And the more time

1392
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 3: you put into them, the more you're gonna get out

1393
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 3: of them. Right, So, like it's a process you have

1394
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 3: to grow. And again this is where I go back to.

1395
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 3: You know, we all humanize our dogs until it's not

1396
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 3: gonna to humanize them anymore.

1397
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 2: Right.

1398
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 3: So, if we took first grader and he was hitting

1399
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 3: off a baseball off a tee and then you're like,

1400
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 3: all right, man, like you're gonna go you go a

1401
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 3: bat a Yankee stadium tomorrow, Like you know, we all

1402
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 3: laugh and be like, yeah, that's ridiculous. But how is

1403
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,439
Speaker 3: that any difference than you taking a six month old

1404
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 3: dog that just saw a burden gun for the first time,

1405
01:01:58,200 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 3: and you're like, all right, man, now we're gonna go

1406
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 3: on a mega pheasant in South Dakota.

1407
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 2: We're going to go on a big duck hunt to Saskatchewan.

1408
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 2: We've got like, that's what that is, right.

1409
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 3: And so building them up and preparing them for that,

1410
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 3: that's how you make them successful. It just it takes time.

1411
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 3: And that's the one thing that I do think is

1412
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 3: hard on people, just like spending the time to build

1413
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 3: them up and prepare them right way.

1414
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: Dude, I look at that stuff like, you know, over

1415
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: on the white tail side of things, the amount of

1416
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: youngish people I talk to, like getting into bow hunting

1417
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: who are obsessed with one fifties and one seventies who've

1418
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: only killed three deer in their life and will go

1419
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: out and get major buck fever and screw up over

1420
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: and over and over, and a lot of them will

1421
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: give it up because it's too hard, because they haven't

1422
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: worked through the process of becoming a good deer hunter

1423
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: first before becoming a trophy hunter. It's just like that,

1424
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: like there's just no way around it, Like you can't

1425
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: shortcut this stuff. And you see this a lot, you know.

1426
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: I the topic that I get my ass and the

1427
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: sling over in the dog world all the time is

1428
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: e callers because people will be you know how it

1429
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: is like everybody who bumps into a training problem with

1430
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: a sporting dog immediately wants to go buy an e caller.

1431
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: And you're like, that is a that is a great

1432
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: tool if you use it correctly, and you know how

1433
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: to use it, and you implement it at the right

1434
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: time and all of the qualifiers to make sure it

1435
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: sounds correct. But I'm always like, you probably don't know

1436
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: what you're doing yet, Like you probably don't know how

1437
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: to train this dog in a way yet where you're

1438
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: going to jump to that because you think that's going

1439
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: to fix the problem, But the problem wouldn't be here

1440
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: if you were doing it right like that. That's a

1441
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: reinforcement tool later, you know, in a long distance communication

1442
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: tool and a very valuable thing. But jumping to it,

1443
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: which is like super common, all that is is a

1444
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: reflection on something going wrong on your end so far,

1445
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: and it's really tough for people to understand that. But

1446
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: that that kind of thing. I mean, I don't know

1447
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: if we're getting here in society and I'm getting way

1448
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: off course, But like like you said, you know, we

1449
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: have it pretty We can have whatever we want brought

1450
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: to our house. Pretty freaking easy. We can have we

1451
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: can walk into the average quick trip or grocery store

1452
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: and there's so many calories in there that we can

1453
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: just pick up and we don't have to work for. Really,

1454
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, life is fairly easy. But you see these

1455
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: trends with like fitness and some other stuff now where

1456
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: people seem to sort of be recognizing this side of

1457
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: life like that you're talking about with these dogs, where

1458
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, there is no way around this other

1459
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: than just putting in tons and tons of time. And

1460
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: it's and it's not actually even that. It's just a

1461
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: commitment to day after day after day, and it doesn't

1462
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: have to be a ton of time, but it has

1463
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: to be a consistent thing, just like working out or

1464
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: anything else where it's like it might only be a

1465
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: half hour a day, or with a puppy it only

1466
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: five minutes of lesson, two minutes a lesson, whatever, but

1467
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: those lessons happen to have they have to happen every day.

1468
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: That's a hard thing to do.

1469
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right.

1470
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 3: Well, and then too, you know when you look at

1471
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 3: like the when I say, I look at the long game,

1472
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 3: like to me, rushing into that first season when a

1473
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 3: dog isn't prepared, like, I don't care about that first season. Yeah,

1474
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 3: I want heres three, four, five, six, seven, eight to

1475
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 3: be great, right, And if stuff goes terribly wrong that

1476
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 3: first year because you're not prepared, you're not going to

1477
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 3: have those years and you're not gonna at least not

1478
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 3: to the level of what you could have. And you know,

1479
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 3: so that's why I'm just I'm so big on like

1480
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 3: a let's pump the brakes and if you need to

1481
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 3: get a dog in kind of a staggered form, right,

1482
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 3: so if like, hey, you know, my dog's seven, I

1483
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 3: want to get a dog now so that I have

1484
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 3: the time and I'm not rushed and not tempted. You

1485
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 3: have to get the dog in the field too early,

1486
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 3: that's great, you know, whatever you have to do to

1487
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 3: you know, for you to be able to approach this

1488
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 3: the way that it should be approached. But I I'm

1489
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 3: just I'm really really big on taking your time like

1490
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 3: I would much rather see a dog going into the

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01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 3: field later than earlier, because I know that dog is

1492
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 3: likely going to be more prepared. But you still have

1493
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 3: to put in the work. Like, like you said, Tony,

1494
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 3: like if you're not putting the work, you know it's

1495
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 3: The gym example is a great example, right, because like, yeah,

1496
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 3: an hour a day, you're not gonna you.

1497
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 2: Know, decide to go to the gym today.

1498
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 3: Go to the gym for an hour, come back, take

1499
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 3: your shirt off, look in the mirror, and be like, oh,

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01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 3: like that changed my life. Right, But if you do

1501
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 3: that consistently, it compounds on itself and.

1502
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 2: You will have that moment.

1503
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 3: You may not know when or where, but if you

1504
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 3: stay the course and are consistent, you will have that moment.

1505
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 3: Same thing with the dogs, right, One session isn't going

1506
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 3: to cure it. One tool like a collar is. It's

1507
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 3: not a magic wand that comes in a box, right, Like,

1508
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 3: it's not going to cure your problem. But if you

1509
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 3: stay the course and are consistent, you will have that moment.

1510
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 3: I promise you'll have that moment that you are so

1511
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 3: full of pride and so full of joy because hey,

1512
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 3: I did that, you know, Like obviously with the dog,

1513
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 3: the team. But like I did that right, Like that

1514
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 3: dog could have been laying on the couch eating potato

1515
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 3: ships like instead, like we put in the time, put

1516
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 3: in the work, and we made this happen. Like there's

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01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 3: to me, that's where the satisfaction comes. I love getting

1518
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 3: texts or emails, you know, from our calls, you know,

1519
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 3: from clients that have gone through that process. And man,

1520
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 3: I've had I've had grown men, you know, sixty plus

1521
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 3: year old men crying as they're telling me a story

1522
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 3: because they're so full of pride and joy because hey,

1523
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 3: this was a you know, eighteen months or two year

1524
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,959
Speaker 3: process to get to this point and like we're here

1525
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 3: and you know, because you do pour yourself into this

1526
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 3: and uh, and it it's rewarding, man, I mean there's

1527
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 3: there are very few things like it.

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01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, and it's uh, you know on the

1529
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: just just a little point you made earlier about the

1530
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: consistency of training, giving it something every day, maybe a

1531
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: couple of times every day, versus the deciding you know,

1532
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: maybe on a Saturday, you're going to go try to

1533
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: work that dog for three hours and then the wheels

1534
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,919
Speaker 1: are going to fall off. After twenty minutes. It's it's

1535
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: the same kind of thing like you said about you know,

1536
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: you put a lot of pressure on yourself if you

1537
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 1: if you get this hunting dog, you like, I want

1538
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 1: this first season. I want to go to South Dakota

1539
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: and I want to get my limited roosters every day,

1540
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: and I'm going to get that dog a billion bird

1541
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,479
Speaker 1: contacts and it's going to be amazing. A better bet

1542
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: is to figure out a way to hunt some woodcock

1543
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: close to home, on some public land when they migrate

1544
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 1: through and get that dog out for an hour here,

1545
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: an hour there, get it, get those reps in, get

1546
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: those small bird contacts in, and work up to that

1547
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: stuff instead of, like you said, all of a sudden,

1548
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 1: this great big production hunt where it's like too much,

1549
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: too fast for this young dog and it's just not

1550
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:34,799
Speaker 1: ready yet. There's just a slow burned progression to this stuff.

1551
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: But like you said and you keep saying, is if

1552
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: you go through it right, you will never not do that.

1553
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: Like once you see what that becomes for a dog,

1554
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: you will never not appreciate that process and try to

1555
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: make that happen because it's always worth it.

1556
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so much this comes down to owner expectations, right,

1557
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 3: And we talked about a lot when we send dogs home,

1558
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 3: Like dog goes through training and it goes home. Is

1559
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 3: obe on and off lead? Is you know steady, is marking?

1560
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 3: Is you're delivering a hand to do all these things,

1561
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 3: and you know, naturally, you know they want to pick

1562
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 3: the dog up and go right down on a hunt. Well,

1563
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 3: you know this is different, right, Like we're not in

1564
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:16,879
Speaker 3: a controlled environment anymore.

1565
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 2: Like there's gonna be so much learning that the dog

1566
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 2: gas to do.

1567
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 3: There's so many new things you're gonna throw, right, you know,

1568
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 3: we're not taking your boat rides at you know, four

1569
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 3: to three in the morning while we're going out training, right,

1570
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 3: we're not. You know, there's so many factors that go

1571
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 3: into it that we're not doing on a train, so

1572
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 3: the dog has to experience it. And again you know

1573
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 3: the analogiiz I know, keep going back to sports, but

1574
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 3: you know, like if you if you're in the batting

1575
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,879
Speaker 3: cage and you're hitting, whether it's off off a machine

1576
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 3: or off your coach, you're throwing your VP and you're

1577
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 3: hitting really well, when you step into that box at

1578
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 3: the game, you don't have that level of control anymore, right,

1579
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 3: now the picture is trying to get you out, right,

1580
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 3: It's more of a game. It's more than just being

1581
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 3: in there. And so like for us, you can have

1582
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 3: a dog prey dial in in the in you know,

1583
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 3: at home and hitting off off the tee, hitting off

1584
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 3: the bat machine. But all of a sudden, like you're

1585
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 3: going again, and all of a sudden, there's more variables.

1586
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 3: There's the crowd, noise, the elements, the weather, you know

1587
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 3: what the other team is doing, what the other picture

1588
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 3: is going to do to get you out, Like, there's

1589
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 3: more to it. Like you can't just go from in

1590
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 3: the bandicate and be like, all right, man, you're doing great,

1591
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 3: like you should be able to hit home runs every

1592
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 3: time you're up.

1593
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 2: It's not like that.

1594
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 3: And so anytime you're gonna throw variables into the equation,

1595
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 3: you know there's going to be a learning curve that

1596
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 3: has to be made to go be successful with you

1597
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 3: solving that problem. And so for us it's all about again,

1598
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 3: how do we make the doll be successful. It might be, uh,

1599
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 3: you know the hide that you're in making sure that

1600
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 3: the dog can see. It may be you know the

1601
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 3: the guns right, Like I'm not bringing a young dog

1602
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 3: out on one of their first hunts with eight guns

1603
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 3: in the blind, right, I'm having hopefully one or two.

1604
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 2: Let's make this thing easy, let's make it successful, you know.

1605
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,679
Speaker 2: But a lot of that again comes down to us.

1606
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 3: The one, the one that I think is always funny

1607
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 3: is from an upland standpoint. Right, So I think so

1608
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 3: much many of us that have an older dog, like

1609
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna bring, you know, the young poppout with the

1610
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 3: older dog because you know the old dog will teach

1611
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 3: the dog.

1612
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 2: You know that you know the young dog what to do. No,

1613
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 2: they don't.

1614
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 3: I mean they don't, now now I do.

1615
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 2: I will agree with.

1616
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 3: That that young dog will likely follow the old dog

1617
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 3: and kind of start to, like at least get somewhat

1618
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 3: of an idea of like what the old dog is doing.

1619
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 3: But the reality is that the old dog is going

1620
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 3: to get the bird contacts you're hoping the young dog

1621
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 3: gets because the old dog knows what he's doing. The

1622
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 3: old dog is probably going to get to the retrieve

1623
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 3: because the old dog knows what he's doing. All the

1624
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 3: things you're hoping that young dog experiences, the old dog

1625
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 3: is going to be the one experience and the young

1626
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 3: dogs just run run around behind and figuring it out.

1627
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 2: You know. To me, I'd rather break that up. And

1628
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 2: that's why I love.

1629
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 3: Like, if you're in a two dog setup, you're like, well,

1630
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 3: when do I get the next dog? I love when again,

1631
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 3: you know, gouy wine, everything happens and you don't lose

1632
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 3: the dog earlier. Right, But like at at seven, eight

1633
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 3: nine years old, you know that dog, that older dog

1634
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:58,560
Speaker 3: is probably starting to slow down a little bit, Like

1635
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 3: we're not doing like the big long days anymore, right,

1636
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 3: So it makes it a little easier for a guy

1637
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 3: to go, Okay, half the day I'm going to dedicate

1638
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 3: to my old dog, and half the day I'm going

1639
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 3: to dedicate to my young dog and give him the experience,

1640
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 3: you know, and and kind of work your work way

1641
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 3: up into it. So then when my old dog is

1642
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 3: you know, eleven, now, all of a sudden, my young

1643
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 3: dog is, you know, three or two, and now he's

1644
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 3: like he's ready to go do this right, and they

1645
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 3: and they both kind of ease in and out of it.

1646
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 3: That's an ideal world. But I just you know, the

1647
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 3: the old dog doesn't like, go, hey, hey, sport, let

1648
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 3: me take you in under my wing and teach everything

1649
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 3: I know, like, this is just not help.

1650
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 1: Work, if I mean, A good way to look at

1651
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 1: that is to think that it's hard enough for us

1652
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: to be good trainers. You're your old dogs. Yeah, doesn't

1653
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: want the job, isn't going to take it, doesn't want

1654
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 1: to do it. Josh uh right, we're on a time here.

1655
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 1: I got to pack up, take my daughter's on a

1656
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: little hunt here very very soon. I want to thank

1657
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on. I want to get

1658
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: you back at some point, maybe get your bride on

1659
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: there too, to talk about puppies and bloodlines, because we

1660
01:12:58,320 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: dipped into that a little bit, but there's a lot

1661
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: we cover there. Why don't you let everybody know where

1662
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 1: they can find your kennel, where they can find all

1663
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: your social all that good stuff.

1664
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you just look up Riverstone Kennels.

1665
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 3: So we're on Facebook, Instagram, you know, Riverstone Kennels dot com.

1666
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 3: You can find our website there. You can also find

1667
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 3: the line of the kennel. I'm happy to talk to

1668
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 3: anybody that wants to talk about you have training or

1669
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 3: looking for a puppy, anything like that.

1670
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't even get into your kind of you know,

1671
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 2: genetics and breeding all.

1672
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 3: This stuff, which is obviously a huge part of this

1673
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 3: whole thing, like you got to have the right you know,

1674
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 3: the right player to coach in the first place.

1675
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just I love this. I love talking dogs.

1676
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 2: I love this is literally.

1677
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 3: My life, and so you know, love to hear from

1678
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 3: anybody that wants to reach out and talk about Dowson.

1679
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 2: Thanks buddy, all right, take care of having good hunt.

1680
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 1: That's it for this week. I'm Tony Peterson. This has

1681
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: been The Houndation's podcast as always. Thank you so much

1682
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: for listening for your support. If you want some more

1683
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Speaker 1: dog training content, or maybe you're heading out west for

1684
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Speaker 1: a rifle hunt for something, maybe you're just getting into

1685
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Speaker 1: a tree stand, spend some time for white tails. Whatever.

1686
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1690
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1691
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1692
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