WEBVTT - Missing People, Missing Borders 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:21.160 Together everything, So don't don't he cool? Thanks for stopping in. Welcome, 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:25.439 Welcome Katie, I love stopping in. Just so good to 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:29.440 see your faith I take on the met gala. Has 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:36.520 anyone talked about that recently? We've your I don't think 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.960 galas is a term we should use. I don't like 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.000 trust it. Just call it a party. Just call it 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:49.239 a party. God damn it. You're gonna have a thing. 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:51.120 Call it a thing. Don't call it a different thing. 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.640 Do you think you are calling being your party? After 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:58.760 an apple? Yeah, exactly. Let's let the apples have something. 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.720 Come on, they acrifice so much for us. Anyway, what 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.120 are we talking about this week? Who are sons? Who 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:06.160 are we? What are people? That? My dad used to 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:08.760 say that I'd come home, I'd come downstairs in the 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:10.600 morning and he'd go, who are you and who are 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:15.320 your people? I'd say, I'm Katie and you are my people? Anyway, 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:18.560 my name is Katie and you are my people. That's good. 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:23.160 That's cute, right, that's cute. Um, we got let's talk 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.800 about today. I wanted to start with a little update, 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:33.040 update update update um from last week. Yeah, Robert you 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.039 you you were not here with us last week, you were, 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.759 I was. I was in the South of Spain losing 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:43.240 your luggage. I did lose my luggage. Yeah, but we 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:48.360 had a really great interview discussing UM the potential upcoming 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:53.760 at the strike, which would be the first in wide 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:58.320 strike in the entertainment industry that they'd authorized and UM. 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:02.000 As of last week, we weren't sure what was going 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:05.600 to happen. But as of last night, it looks like 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:12.960 UHTY is recommending UM strike authorization vote. So that is 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.840 happening as of right now, or looks like it might 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:20.160 be happening very soon. Which TV show? Does that mean? 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:25.840 We're losing just about all of them, I even even 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:34.079 even Frasier, especially Frasier, Yeah, the old I'm positive that 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:38.440 Frasier's contract is long expired. Okay, so that's good. At 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:42.639 least no new Frasier and no recreation of old will 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:47.600 not impact the airing of reruns UM. But this is 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:49.720 a big deal, and it is a cool thing, and 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:53.160 it is important, important, important. I know a lot of 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:57.600 our listeners are not in the entertainment industry per se, 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:01.200 and for you, good for you, And and it's very 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.000 like I said last week, it's very easy to look at, 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.320 you know, entertainment industry in Hollywood in general, and be 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:10.400 like these guys, these glitzy, glamorous guys and dolls up 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:15.639 there on the big screen. The reality is very very 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:22.720 very long, grueling hours, unsafe conditions, especially during COVID when 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:26.680 the entertainment industry was rushed back in and having shot 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:32.640 myself during this time, it is really difficult. And yeah, 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:37.360 and literally would not be possible to make anything without 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:40.720 everybody on the team here, you know, And and they 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:43.280 have been misused for a long time, and this is 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:47.760 incredibly important. Um. So it Yeah, it's going to affect 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:55.040 some things, you know, and and never mind or it won't. 0:03:55.160 --> 0:04:00.440 But you know, I want to do right or well 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:04.080 as it should, as it should, you know. UM. I 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.440 just want to quickly point out something that has been 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:13.360 discussed online, but god damn it, I'm saying it here too. UM. 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:19.480 Pretty unfortunate that literally nobody stood up there on stage 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:25.560 at the Emmy's on Sunday and mentioned Curious Strike. And 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:29.920 they do know about it. They should know about it, 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:37.680 you know, extremely interesting, extremely interesting, extremely come on, they 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:44.360 should did. I'm sorry you were still busy unpacking last 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:50.200 week's gala to unpack the Emmy fashion but I am 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.680 surrounded by people. This is obviously important to me. I work, 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.320 We all work in l A. But I guess Robert, 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.720 you don't anymore. This is an industry that I've been 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.559 a part of for a long time, and um, something 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:02.560 that I've been saying and I'm for a long time 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:04.440 is that these working conditions have to change. And I 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:10.160 am proud of everybody standing strong um with this. So 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:14.359 that's my update from last week. I can't see, but 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:19.040 it's raised my Yeah, well, good, good on you. I 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:27.720 will generally say you in an Italian accent. Spicy meat 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:35.760 Other things to talk about this week, spicy meatballs. Okay, 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.200 now we're going to pivot to something pretty dark, and 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:42.920 that would be Gabby Potito and this whole case that 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:47.960 we have watched unfold over the past week and a half. 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:52.480 And I have several different things to say. I want 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:54.320 to talk about what happened. The first thing I want 0:05:54.320 --> 0:06:01.280 to talk about is how upsetting it is that again, 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:06.120 a beautiful, thin, blonde, white woman makes front page news 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:10.919 and captures the heart of the world when she goes missing, 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:16.040 When women of color go missing every day in that area. 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:22.000 There's some something like missing Indigenous women from the last 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:25.400 nine years that nobody has any idea what their names are, 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:30.320 and nobody pays attention, and it's a huge problem. Um, 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.200 And this isn't news to anybody. And yet every time 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:38.400 somebody that, you know, I mean, it's just racist, it's racist. 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.279 Music coverage is also I mean, yes, you can point 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:44.039 to the fact that she was a blogger. Yes there 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.000 is that social media aspect, but it goes above beyond that. 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.400 My heart is broken for Gabby Petito and her family, 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:54.120 and yes, I do not I think that all resources 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:59.560 should should be invested into finding you know, missing women 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.560 or I think people in general. The discrepancy between how 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:05.279 her case has been treated and how a lot of 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.240 Indigenous women disappearing is treated isn't on her and doesn't 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.840 mean like people shouldn't care about the fact that she 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.800 was murdered. That's not anyone is saying when they point 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:15.480 this out. But we should also keep in mind that 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:19.560 like Indigenous women are murdered and sexually assaulted, it rates 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:22.040 about ten times as high as as the average women 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.559 and disappear at a disproportionate right. We actually don't really 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.480 have a great understanding of like how common it is. 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:34.400 Last year alone, nearly fifty Native American women were reported missing. Um, 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.880 it's it's a it's it's a real issue, and and 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:41.200 it's it's it is important again, Like nuance is important 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:44.480 because we're not saying like fuck Cabby Petito, like we're 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:47.360 we're saying, like, well, now we're talking about a missing woman. 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:50.640 And it's probably worth pointing out again to everybody that 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.120 Indigenous women frequently go missing and nobody gives a ship 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.960 and maybe we we often. I'm we're working on bringing 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.800 someone on in the near future to talk cifically about 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:05.760 this because it deserves its own intense focus and conversation 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:09.640 to unpack. I'm gonna read this. This is a you know, 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.720 different versions of this sentiment have been floating around online, 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.960 but this is one from Twitter. Gabby Petito's life might 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.240 have had an incredibly different ending if the police officers 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.560 who pulled them over on August twelve we're at all 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:27.680 familiar with what domestic violence actually looks like. Um, that 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.600 hits me because it's true when I look at that video. 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:32.640 I'm not sure if any of you guys have have 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.920 checked out the body cam footage from when they pulled. 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:40.200 You know, we're interceding and talking to Gabby and and 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:47.120 the fiancee. Gabby is incredibly distraught and clearly been gas lit, 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:51.880 like manipulated into thinking that she was a problem. She's 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.240 not sure what happened, but what I saw was a 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:59.160 woman who was hysterical and her boyfriend had kicked her 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.240 out of the van because she could and she needed 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.200 to get in and get her work done. And they 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.720 treat you know, and people point to say, how could 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.959 the officer have known? How could they treated her very kindly? 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.200 And they were kind, but they were missing something very 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.120 obvious that within ten seconds I saw. And maybe that's 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.640 because I know personally what that feels like. Maybe more 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.840 women are able to respond to that in a visceral 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:24.920 way and and immediately see the signs. But the fact 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.640 that this officer was not trained and did not understand 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.839 what they were encountering felt very palpable. Also, people point 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:35.280 to the fact, you know, it was framed like she 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:39.080 was the aggressor. And turns out there were multiple nine 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:43.800 one phone calls, one saying that he had hit her regardless, um, 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:47.280 you know, in the in the video, he's holding up 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.080 his hands and the officer as saying like, oh, did 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:53.520 she do those claw marks on you? And that is 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:59.480 a tell tale sign. I mean, rapists and abusers frequently 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:03.000 have more from women on their body from self defense. 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.120 So those are two things that an officer could have 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.040 looked at and pointed at and said like, oh, this 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.560 situation is not what it may seem on the surface. 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.160 All of that to say is that this is incredibly common. 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.640 I mean, if you look at the domestic abuse rates 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:22.160 during the pandemic, um, I think they've rose by like 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:26.880 eight point one percent just during lockdowns. Three women are 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:30.480 murdered every day in the United States from domestic abuse, 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:35.320 and cops over and over and over again do not 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:40.240 properly respond to domestic abuse situations. And again speaking circling 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:44.960 back around too, all of the missing women of color 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.080 that never go reported, this is all all a part 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:54.360 of it. Also a lot of cops, uh yeah, of 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:58.600 cops or of police and it have domestic abuse is 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:03.800 the actual statistics. But yeah, yeah, it's very very, very disturbing, 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:06.920 and yeah, I couldn't watch I couldn't watch more than 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.840 a minute of or two of that. And then of 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:15.920 course we could talk about how they let him get away. 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.000 I mean I was going to talk about how the 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:23.680 real villain here is vans. Okay, wait, where are we 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.600 still doing the van life? Many minivans or vans, just 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.600 van life in general. It's not two thou twelve. Come on, people, 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.920 are you suggesting a replacement for vans or suggesting just 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.720 not any aspect of it? Yeah? Just get no more 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:41.720 van life, get rid of vans, get rid of Instagram. 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.800 I'm okay with van life. I'm pretty um over abusive 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.679 shitty men. Well, yeah, I'll keep the van, get rid 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.880 of the man. I mean, I guess the non joking 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.080 part of it is that I think you can't disentangle 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:59.160 this from like influencier culture. Like it seems like we're 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.560 probably gonna find doubt that this guy was using his 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.400 relationship and the way that it was perceived in order 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:10.160 to make money, and uh, that is a pretty inherently 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.120 abusive situation. Like one of the problems with you know, 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:15.240 speaking of someone who's lived on the road for a 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:16.480 long time, one of the things you have to be 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.040 really careful about is that, like you're kind of leaving 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.800 your support networks behind, which is a great situation for 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:25.600 an abuser to be in with a partner because she's 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:29.800 you're in the desert or where it's isolating. Yeah, that's 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:34.720 part of the process here. Yeah, um absolutely, yeah, I 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:39.319 mean you're you're correct. There's a lot to be um 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:43.440 discovered still about the story. I'm not going to like 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:48.240 discuss whatever random facts that aren't facts yet that have 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:50.679 been thrown around about what he may or may not 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.040 have done and what other murders he may or may 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:55.560 not have been involved when, because that's all theory at 0:12:55.640 --> 0:13:01.160 this point, and I don't know. I I just I'm 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:03.840 I've been feeling really dark about this all week. It's 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.360 been awful, and like you said, it's just one of 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:10.440 the many, many, many stories we don't hear about. Yeah. 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.080 I again, before we move on, I'll just say that 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:17.680 I think it's it's desperately important that everybody starts to 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.280 acknowledge and recognize what abuse looks like and how it 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:25.280 can manifest and uh to take it seriously. I don't 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.280 know what would have helped in this specific case, Like 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:32.920 obviously theoretically police who gave a ship could have helped, 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:36.120 but I don't think that's particularly likely in the policing system. Like, 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:37.880 I don't think there's any amount of training that would 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.080 have made this officer give a ship. No, I agree, 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.920 I I mean I think that I mean in general, Sorry, 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.120 this is personal for me in many ways, I have 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:51.240 not had the same experience that Gabby did. But um, 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:53.840 over the past few months talking to a lot of women, 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.560 I know that they a vast majority of women have 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:00.240 incredibly disturbing stories to tell about how they have been 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.400 treated and how people have believed them. So when I 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.000 talk about believing people and looking for signs, I mean 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:10.400 like really proactively changing how we moved the world and um, 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.360 and interact with people, uh, and have these conversations and 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.280 have an awareness of just how common it is and 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.600 what it looks like. I'm not saying that that would 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.840 have changed this situation, but I think that it might 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:29.400 change yours individually. Does that make sense anyway? Anyway? Should 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:34.240 we take an ad break and come back with something new? No? OK, 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.760 for three minutes and break? Sorry? Was that too intense 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.760 what I just said? No? No, no, no, not at all. 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:45.440 It's the story. What's happened? I feel very like, I 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.840 don't know, it's really fucked me up this week. Yeah, 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.560 I mean not really, but I just I'm like, yeah, 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.680 the the the amount of places you've seen coverage for 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:57.440 this story is like so you can't get away from everywhere. 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.760 I think. I think there's like a huge aspect of 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:04.280 like TikTok and this too, that like where it spread 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.480 all over TikTok in't before we started recording a check. 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.600 It's literally all the top podcasts on the charts. We're 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:14.680 talking about it too. Yeah, So it's just that's who 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.200 needs to be doing this. I mean, that's what we're 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:21.120 doing too, I guess, yeah, but I mean it's definitely 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.200 going to be in our time podcasters. But guess what 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.800 I mean. It's just it's just like spread like like wildfire, 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:29.960 and it's like, you know, in one way that's good. 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:33.160 In another way, like keep that same energy. That's just 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.280 the thing for me. I'm like, I'm like, I'm glad 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.000 that you know, Like, I don't think you really got in. 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:39.640 You didn't mention this at all, Katie, but I know 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.040 you and I have talked about it. But it's like 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.640 the amount of coverage led to those people fucking knowing 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:46.280 what that van looked like and then they were able 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.840 to find her. Right now, I mean the fact that 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.760 everybody was paying attention to It's not that you shouldn't 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.720 pay attention, it's that we Yeah, it's for other people. 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.480 It's like if that same if that same energy was 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:05.040 it out there for citizen journalists, have you know, made 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:09.040 some amount of difference in cold cases and and and whatnot. 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:10.840 I mean we talked to Billy Jensen at one time, 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:16.040 and he's big on that. So like, there truly is 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:20.760 incredible work being done by people using social media open 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.520 source journalism. Yeah, m hmm, And I guess we're back 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:28.000 from break now. Oh yeah, do you want to include 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.680 anything or not? Yeah, let's include that, and let's go 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:45.840 to break now everything. Yeah, we're at the border, moving 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:53.800 along from a sad story to a sad story. People 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:57.120 are right when they're like, if this was happening during 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.720 the Trump administration, there would be liberals crowd at airports 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:04.040 to protest. You know, they're what, we've had no changes 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:10.560 from our immigration. Yeah, it's or whatever it is. I 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:13.600 wanna I think we should start by kind of clarifying something, 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.600 which is that like this is getting like framed by 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:17.480 a lot of the like right wing media. Is that 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.240 like they're swarming over the border. They're they're like crossing 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:23.720 into the US illegally. They're not the Del Rio Bridge. 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:25.960 The area in which they're setting up their camp is 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:29.360 in US territory. It's this kind of like weird geographical 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.720 area where they have not like crossed the border formally, 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.240 but they're in U. S territory and they have to 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.679 be because you can't file for asylum unless you're you know, 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.920 in the US territory, So you gotta go to where 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:44.080 you have to be there. Yeah, so they have to be. 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.200 They have to be where they are if they're not 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:50.439 doing anything improper. They're just fleeing a nightmares situation in 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:52.080 a country that, like listen to our two part are 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.000 on Haiti. They don't have a lot of options and 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:59.080 they're doing the thing that they're supposed to be doing legally. Yeah. 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.360 I mean that's always been the case, the frustrating case 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:04.360 where it's like like you know, they're doing the things 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.360 they're allowed to do. Yeah, they're literally obeying the law 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.520 that you guys set up. That is stupid, but they're 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.000 doing it. They're obeying it um and it's very bizarre 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.520 to see, like you see people like on the left, 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.040 like you know, obviously like all these deportations and like 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:21.480 the images we're seeing, um, and how it's terrible we 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:23.919 shouldn't be doing that. And then seeing people on the 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.960 right like, uh, look at the crisis, and it's like, 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.280 don't isn't this what you want? You want? Like all 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:32.119 these people to be deported, Like this is what you want? 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:37.720 What is it? You're you're literally getting the thing. The 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.679 amount of people who are trying to seek asylum is 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.639 what you're mad at? Or the like the fact that 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.520 we're not letting it's just it's very maddening to see. 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:50.520 They just want to be mad. Yeah. And the images 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:54.080 that we're seeing from this right now of people on 0:18:54.160 --> 0:19:00.080 horseback with whips crralling katie, Katie, Katie, Yeah, whips And 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:04.240 a quote from the article Okay, it's very important, it's 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:11.280 very accurate. Not inaccurately call them whips. Okay, Um, all right, 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:14.440 let's say so. This is from the Yahoo News coverage. 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.359 After one of the officers invests, unfurled a chord resembling 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:20.920 a lariat like whip and steered his horse to block 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.280 the immigrants. One tumble back into the water, he got 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.359 up and tried again, but the officers swung the cord 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.840 again near his face, so they're not hipping them. They're 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:33.440 swinging chords, not whips, just cord that resemble whips near 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:39.520 their faces. It's fine, it's fine, fine, I change my position. 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.880 I just love as a journalist like you, you get 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.840 into the field of journalism to speak truth to power 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:49.840 and and comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. And 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:51.480 then you're like, well, we got to make sure we're 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.480 not unfairly calling this chord a whip that he's hitting 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:59.560 homeless refugee with go to border. Was that a whip 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:03.320 or was it a whiplike chord? But also, even even 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:05.440 if you want to be like the most accurate, it's 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.439 not literally a whip. They didn't buy whips and they 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:11.280 didn't go to the whip store. You can say that 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:15.919 they used chords to whip people. Yeah, you use chords 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:18.800 in a whip like manner. They use chords, which are 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:22.000 a sensive. They hipped some chords around. Yeah, you can 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:24.280 whip people with I whipped a man with a belt 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:27.320 fish once. You can whip people with a variety of tools. 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:30.320 That's why you can whip people with a branch with 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:33.320 a stick. Look, as the song said, when a problem 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:35.800 comes along, you must oh wait, no, no, no, you 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:40.240 must succord it. You must chord like it just say, 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:44.120 like a chord using a whip like manner, a chord 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.199 that might as well have been a whip like you 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:50.840 can still be accurate and not. It's very frustrating like 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:55.240 that kind of splitting hairs is just like funk yourself. 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:57.800 That's not journal And it seems it seems small, but 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:02.480 it's really important be because yeah, it's all about what 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:06.199 picture you're painting for people. And yeah, I'm sure that 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:09.240 guy went home being like, oh the hoy paloy online 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:11.080 all freaking out about whips. I found the truth. It 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:16.480 was a whiplike chord did my job today being used 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:18.240 to well, I guess chord can't be the verb. What's 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:20.680 the what's a good verb to describe you using a 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:24.119 chord in that way? And you know, I've seen this 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:27.040 point being made that I agree. You know, we we 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:31.600 made sure too. Well, I don't know if we made sure, 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:35.280 but there was all of this hullabaloo about making room 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:42.080 for Afghan citizens that were fleeing their home country, and 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:47.240 understandably as we should we bear a lot of responsibility 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.680 for their situation. We also bear a lot of responsibility 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.280 for what's going on in Haiti, not directly per se, 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:59.760 but directly repeatedly. As directly I was like, well, I 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:02.920 mean we didn't like fail at a war for the 0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:05.000 last twin years, we failed at a lot of other 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:09.879 things that are directly. We've cumulatively militarily occupied Haiti for 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:12.399 at least as long as we were in Afghanistan and 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:21.320 actively oppressed their own autonomy and autonomy and infrastructure. Ye. Yeah, 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:28.600 so yes, we are as responsible. We've been fucking with 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:34.040 Haiti for a long time. It is truly abominable, and 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:37.720 it is frustrating to look at people that are are 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:40.760 very ready to cry foul at Donald Trump. But when 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:43.480 it's Joe Biden, what is he supposed to do? Is 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:46.959 hands are tied? What he supposed to do? It's the Senate, 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:51.200 Parliamentary and ship where it's like, this is all such 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.879 a horrible problem when Trump was in office, but like Biden, 0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:55.919 what you expect him to do something about Ice? It's 0:22:55.960 --> 0:23:00.000 a rogue agency. Will and take their money, right, don't 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.560 don't have ice anymore? And be like well, motherfucker's you're 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:04.679 not going to obey the law. Fuck you send in 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:06.840 somebody to beat them up. You've got a lot of 0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:09.280 people who could beat up Ice. You're the you're the president. 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:13.440 Suck them up and suck them up. Joe, Yeah, I don't. 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:15.280 I don't give a shit about your excuses. You're the 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:18.960 goddamn president. It's not who we are. I mean, sure 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:24.080 there are are organization and sending the marine bomb Ice 0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:28.920 with with Harrier jets. Also retired the Harrier jet because 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:32.000 it would be pretty rad to watz I saw. I 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:36.760 saw somebody tweet like, uh, fire everybody and hire more 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:39.639 different people to work here. It's like, wait, so the 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:43.000 problem is with ICE as the people working there one 0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:45.920 of the problems that's not It is deeper than that. 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:48.800 I would say if if if Biden were to fire 0:23:48.840 --> 0:23:51.399 them all and start the process of hiring new ICE people, 0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:55.400 I would be like, well, that's probably gonna make it better, 0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:58.600 and maybe they'll use like rope like whips instead of 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:04.399 cord like whips. So the majority I mentioned this is 0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:08.720 a moment ago, but from what I understand, most of 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:15.480 these um deportations are happening under the CDC's Title forty two, 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:21.600 which was implemented in March. Donald Trump and everybody was 0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:25.240 very piste off about it. But you know, Title forty 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:29.679 two was supposed to, you know, under the excuse of 0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:33.400 we want to limit coronavirus spread, etcetera. You know, it's 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:38.760 it's supposed to curb the flow of it. But he's 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:42.399 been promising for months to roll back Title forty two, 0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:44.720 and they keep saying they're about to, and now he's 0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:47.679 just using it to deport these people. This is just 0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:50.680 like the thing that also vaccinate them. Come here, give 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:54.080 people vaccinations if they want them. There's a picture of 0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:56.040 the ice age and one of them with the whips. 0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:58.600 He's got like his fucking he's got chaps on, and 0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:02.120 he's got a play carrier like body armor, and he's 0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:05.120 got a fucking cowboy hat, and it's it's the ultimate 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:08.439 expression of like what baby Larper's they are. None of 0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:10.720