Speaker 1: Together everything, So don't don't he cool? Thanks for stopping in. Welcome,
Speaker 1: Welcome Katie, I love stopping in. Just so good to
Speaker 1: see your faith I take on the met gala. Has
Speaker 1: anyone talked about that recently? We've your I don't think
Speaker 1: galas is a term we should use. I don't like
Speaker 1: trust it. Just call it a party. Just call it
Speaker 1: a party. God damn it. You're gonna have a thing.
Speaker 1: Call it a thing. Don't call it a different thing.
Speaker 1: Do you think you are calling being your party? After
Speaker 1: an apple? Yeah, exactly. Let's let the apples have something.
Speaker 1: Come on, they acrifice so much for us. Anyway, what
Speaker 1: are we talking about this week? Who are sons? Who
Speaker 1: are we? What are people? That? My dad used to
Speaker 1: say that I'd come home, I'd come downstairs in the
Speaker 1: morning and he'd go, who are you and who are
Speaker 1: your people? I'd say, I'm Katie and you are my people? Anyway,
Speaker 1: my name is Katie and you are my people. That's good.
Speaker 1: That's cute, right, that's cute. Um, we got let's talk
Speaker 1: about today. I wanted to start with a little update,
Speaker 1: update update update um from last week. Yeah, Robert you
Speaker 1: you you were not here with us last week, you were,
Speaker 1: I was. I was in the South of Spain losing
Speaker 1: your luggage. I did lose my luggage. Yeah, but we
Speaker 1: had a really great interview discussing UM the potential upcoming
Speaker 1: at the strike, which would be the first in wide
Speaker 1: strike in the entertainment industry that they'd authorized and UM.
Speaker 1: As of last week, we weren't sure what was going
Speaker 1: to happen. But as of last night, it looks like
Speaker 1: UHTY is recommending UM strike authorization vote. So that is
Speaker 1: happening as of right now, or looks like it might
Speaker 1: be happening very soon. Which TV show? Does that mean?
Speaker 1: We're losing just about all of them, I even even
Speaker 1: even Frasier, especially Frasier, Yeah, the old I'm positive that
Speaker 1: Frasier's contract is long expired. Okay, so that's good. At
Speaker 1: least no new Frasier and no recreation of old will
Speaker 1: not impact the airing of reruns UM. But this is
Speaker 1: a big deal, and it is a cool thing, and
Speaker 1: it is important, important, important. I know a lot of
Speaker 1: our listeners are not in the entertainment industry per se,
Speaker 1: and for you, good for you, And and it's very
Speaker 1: like I said last week, it's very easy to look at,
Speaker 1: you know, entertainment industry in Hollywood in general, and be
Speaker 1: like these guys, these glitzy, glamorous guys and dolls up
Speaker 1: there on the big screen. The reality is very very
Speaker 1: very long, grueling hours, unsafe conditions, especially during COVID when
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry was rushed back in and having shot
Speaker 1: myself during this time, it is really difficult. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and literally would not be possible to make anything without
Speaker 1: everybody on the team here, you know, And and they
Speaker 1: have been misused for a long time, and this is
Speaker 1: incredibly important. Um. So it Yeah, it's going to affect
Speaker 1: some things, you know, and and never mind or it won't.
Speaker 1: But you know, I want to do right or well
Speaker 1: as it should, as it should, you know. UM. I
Speaker 1: just want to quickly point out something that has been
Speaker 1: discussed online, but god damn it, I'm saying it here too. UM.
Speaker 1: Pretty unfortunate that literally nobody stood up there on stage
Speaker 1: at the Emmy's on Sunday and mentioned Curious Strike. And
Speaker 1: they do know about it. They should know about it,
Speaker 1: you know, extremely interesting, extremely interesting, extremely come on, they
Speaker 1: should did. I'm sorry you were still busy unpacking last
Speaker 1: week's gala to unpack the Emmy fashion but I am
Speaker 1: surrounded by people. This is obviously important to me. I work,
Speaker 1: We all work in l A. But I guess Robert,
Speaker 1: you don't anymore. This is an industry that I've been
Speaker 1: a part of for a long time, and um, something
Speaker 1: that I've been saying and I'm for a long time
Speaker 1: is that these working conditions have to change. And I
Speaker 1: am proud of everybody standing strong um with this. So
Speaker 1: that's my update from last week. I can't see, but
Speaker 1: it's raised my Yeah, well, good, good on you. I
Speaker 1: will generally say you in an Italian accent. Spicy meat
Speaker 1: Other things to talk about this week, spicy meatballs. Okay,
Speaker 1: now we're going to pivot to something pretty dark, and
Speaker 1: that would be Gabby Potito and this whole case that
Speaker 1: we have watched unfold over the past week and a half.
Speaker 1: And I have several different things to say. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about what happened. The first thing I want
Speaker 1: to talk about is how upsetting it is that again,
Speaker 1: a beautiful, thin, blonde, white woman makes front page news
Speaker 1: and captures the heart of the world when she goes missing,
Speaker 1: When women of color go missing every day in that area.
Speaker 1: There's some something like missing Indigenous women from the last
Speaker 1: nine years that nobody has any idea what their names are,
Speaker 1: and nobody pays attention, and it's a huge problem. Um,
Speaker 1: And this isn't news to anybody. And yet every time
Speaker 1: somebody that, you know, I mean, it's just racist, it's racist.
Speaker 1: Music coverage is also I mean, yes, you can point
Speaker 1: to the fact that she was a blogger. Yes there
Speaker 1: is that social media aspect, but it goes above beyond that.
Speaker 1: My heart is broken for Gabby Petito and her family,
Speaker 1: and yes, I do not I think that all resources
Speaker 1: should should be invested into finding you know, missing women
Speaker 1: or I think people in general. The discrepancy between how
Speaker 1: her case has been treated and how a lot of
Speaker 1: Indigenous women disappearing is treated isn't on her and doesn't
Speaker 1: mean like people shouldn't care about the fact that she
Speaker 1: was murdered. That's not anyone is saying when they point
Speaker 1: this out. But we should also keep in mind that
Speaker 1: like Indigenous women are murdered and sexually assaulted, it rates
Speaker 1: about ten times as high as as the average women
Speaker 1: and disappear at a disproportionate right. We actually don't really
Speaker 1: have a great understanding of like how common it is.
Speaker 1: Last year alone, nearly fifty Native American women were reported missing. Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's it's a real issue, and and
Speaker 1: it's it's it is important again, Like nuance is important
Speaker 1: because we're not saying like fuck Cabby Petito, like we're
Speaker 1: we're saying, like, well, now we're talking about a missing woman.
Speaker 1: And it's probably worth pointing out again to everybody that
Speaker 1: Indigenous women frequently go missing and nobody gives a ship
Speaker 1: and maybe we we often. I'm we're working on bringing
Speaker 1: someone on in the near future to talk cifically about
Speaker 1: this because it deserves its own intense focus and conversation
Speaker 1: to unpack. I'm gonna read this. This is a you know,
Speaker 1: different versions of this sentiment have been floating around online,
Speaker 1: but this is one from Twitter. Gabby Petito's life might
Speaker 1: have had an incredibly different ending if the police officers
Speaker 1: who pulled them over on August twelve we're at all
Speaker 1: familiar with what domestic violence actually looks like. Um, that
Speaker 1: hits me because it's true when I look at that video.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if any of you guys have have
Speaker 1: checked out the body cam footage from when they pulled.
Speaker 1: You know, we're interceding and talking to Gabby and and
Speaker 1: the fiancee. Gabby is incredibly distraught and clearly been gas lit,
Speaker 1: like manipulated into thinking that she was a problem. She's
Speaker 1: not sure what happened, but what I saw was a
Speaker 1: woman who was hysterical and her boyfriend had kicked her
Speaker 1: out of the van because she could and she needed
Speaker 1: to get in and get her work done. And they
Speaker 1: treat you know, and people point to say, how could
Speaker 1: the officer have known? How could they treated her very kindly?
Speaker 1: And they were kind, but they were missing something very
Speaker 1: obvious that within ten seconds I saw. And maybe that's
Speaker 1: because I know personally what that feels like. Maybe more
Speaker 1: women are able to respond to that in a visceral
Speaker 1: way and and immediately see the signs. But the fact
Speaker 1: that this officer was not trained and did not understand
Speaker 1: what they were encountering felt very palpable. Also, people point
Speaker 1: to the fact, you know, it was framed like she
Speaker 1: was the aggressor. And turns out there were multiple nine
Speaker 1: one phone calls, one saying that he had hit her regardless, um,
Speaker 1: you know, in the in the video, he's holding up
Speaker 1: his hands and the officer as saying like, oh, did
Speaker 1: she do those claw marks on you? And that is
Speaker 1: a tell tale sign. I mean, rapists and abusers frequently
Speaker 1: have more from women on their body from self defense.
Speaker 1: So those are two things that an officer could have
Speaker 1: looked at and pointed at and said like, oh, this
Speaker 1: situation is not what it may seem on the surface.
Speaker 1: All of that to say is that this is incredibly common.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the domestic abuse rates
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, um, I think they've rose by like
Speaker 1: eight point one percent just during lockdowns. Three women are
Speaker 1: murdered every day in the United States from domestic abuse,
Speaker 1: and cops over and over and over again do not
Speaker 1: properly respond to domestic abuse situations. And again speaking circling
Speaker 1: back around too, all of the missing women of color
Speaker 1: that never go reported, this is all all a part
Speaker 1: of it. Also a lot of cops, uh yeah, of
Speaker 1: cops or of police and it have domestic abuse is
Speaker 1: the actual statistics. But yeah, yeah, it's very very, very disturbing,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I couldn't watch I couldn't watch more than
Speaker 1: a minute of or two of that. And then of
Speaker 1: course we could talk about how they let him get away.
Speaker 1: I mean I was going to talk about how the
Speaker 1: real villain here is vans. Okay, wait, where are we
Speaker 1: still doing the van life? Many minivans or vans, just
Speaker 1: van life in general. It's not two thou twelve. Come on, people,
Speaker 1: are you suggesting a replacement for vans or suggesting just
Speaker 1: not any aspect of it? Yeah? Just get no more
Speaker 1: van life, get rid of vans, get rid of Instagram.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with van life. I'm pretty um over abusive
Speaker 1: shitty men. Well, yeah, I'll keep the van, get rid
Speaker 1: of the man. I mean, I guess the non joking
Speaker 1: part of it is that I think you can't disentangle
Speaker 1: this from like influencier culture. Like it seems like we're
Speaker 1: probably gonna find doubt that this guy was using his
Speaker 1: relationship and the way that it was perceived in order
Speaker 1: to make money, and uh, that is a pretty inherently
Speaker 1: abusive situation. Like one of the problems with you know,
Speaker 1: speaking of someone who's lived on the road for a
Speaker 1: long time, one of the things you have to be
Speaker 1: really careful about is that, like you're kind of leaving
Speaker 1: your support networks behind, which is a great situation for
Speaker 1: an abuser to be in with a partner because she's
Speaker 1: you're in the desert or where it's isolating. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: part of the process here. Yeah, um absolutely, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you're you're correct. There's a lot to be um
Speaker 1: discovered still about the story. I'm not going to like
Speaker 1: discuss whatever random facts that aren't facts yet that have
Speaker 1: been thrown around about what he may or may not
Speaker 1: have done and what other murders he may or may
Speaker 1: not have been involved when, because that's all theory at
Speaker 1: this point, and I don't know. I I just I'm
Speaker 1: I've been feeling really dark about this all week. It's
Speaker 1: been awful, and like you said, it's just one of
Speaker 1: the many, many, many stories we don't hear about. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I again, before we move on, I'll just say that
Speaker 1: I think it's it's desperately important that everybody starts to
Speaker 1: acknowledge and recognize what abuse looks like and how it
Speaker 1: can manifest and uh to take it seriously. I don't
Speaker 1: know what would have helped in this specific case, Like
Speaker 1: obviously theoretically police who gave a ship could have helped,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that's particularly likely in the policing system. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any amount of training that would
Speaker 1: have made this officer give a ship. No, I agree,
Speaker 1: I I mean I think that I mean in general, Sorry,
Speaker 1: this is personal for me in many ways, I have
Speaker 1: not had the same experience that Gabby did. But um,
Speaker 1: over the past few months talking to a lot of women,
Speaker 1: I know that they a vast majority of women have
Speaker 1: incredibly disturbing stories to tell about how they have been
Speaker 1: treated and how people have believed them. So when I
Speaker 1: talk about believing people and looking for signs, I mean
Speaker 1: like really proactively changing how we moved the world and um,
Speaker 1: and interact with people, uh, and have these conversations and
Speaker 1: have an awareness of just how common it is and
Speaker 1: what it looks like. I'm not saying that that would
Speaker 1: have changed this situation, but I think that it might
Speaker 1: change yours individually. Does that make sense anyway? Anyway? Should
Speaker 1: we take an ad break and come back with something new? No? OK,
Speaker 1: for three minutes and break? Sorry? Was that too intense
Speaker 1: what I just said? No? No, no, no, not at all.
Speaker 1: It's the story. What's happened? I feel very like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's really fucked me up this week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean not really, but I just I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the the the amount of places you've seen coverage for
Speaker 1: this story is like so you can't get away from everywhere.
Speaker 1: I think. I think there's like a huge aspect of
Speaker 1: like TikTok and this too, that like where it spread
Speaker 1: all over TikTok in't before we started recording a check.
Speaker 1: It's literally all the top podcasts on the charts. We're
Speaker 1: talking about it too. Yeah, So it's just that's who
Speaker 1: needs to be doing this. I mean, that's what we're
Speaker 1: doing too, I guess, yeah, but I mean it's definitely
Speaker 1: going to be in our time podcasters. But guess what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's just it's just like spread like like wildfire,
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, in one way that's good.
Speaker 1: In another way, like keep that same energy. That's just
Speaker 1: the thing for me. I'm like, I'm like, I'm glad
Speaker 1: that you know, Like, I don't think you really got in.
Speaker 1: You didn't mention this at all, Katie, but I know
Speaker 1: you and I have talked about it. But it's like
Speaker 1: the amount of coverage led to those people fucking knowing
Speaker 1: what that van looked like and then they were able
Speaker 1: to find her. Right now, I mean the fact that
Speaker 1: everybody was paying attention to It's not that you shouldn't
Speaker 1: pay attention, it's that we Yeah, it's for other people.
Speaker 1: It's like if that same if that same energy was
Speaker 1: it out there for citizen journalists, have you know, made
Speaker 1: some amount of difference in cold cases and and and whatnot.
Speaker 1: I mean we talked to Billy Jensen at one time,
Speaker 1: and he's big on that. So like, there truly is
Speaker 1: incredible work being done by people using social media open
Speaker 1: source journalism. Yeah, m hmm, And I guess we're back
Speaker 1: from break now. Oh yeah, do you want to include
Speaker 1: anything or not? Yeah, let's include that, and let's go
Speaker 1: to break now everything. Yeah, we're at the border, moving
Speaker 1: along from a sad story to a sad story. People
Speaker 1: are right when they're like, if this was happening during
Speaker 1: the Trump administration, there would be liberals crowd at airports
Speaker 1: to protest. You know, they're what, we've had no changes
Speaker 1: from our immigration. Yeah, it's or whatever it is. I
Speaker 1: wanna I think we should start by kind of clarifying something,
Speaker 1: which is that like this is getting like framed by
Speaker 1: a lot of the like right wing media. Is that
Speaker 1: like they're swarming over the border. They're they're like crossing
Speaker 1: into the US illegally. They're not the Del Rio Bridge.
Speaker 1: The area in which they're setting up their camp is
Speaker 1: in US territory. It's this kind of like weird geographical
Speaker 1: area where they have not like crossed the border formally,
Speaker 1: but they're in U. S territory and they have to
Speaker 1: be because you can't file for asylum unless you're you know,
Speaker 1: in the US territory, So you gotta go to where
Speaker 1: you have to be there. Yeah, so they have to be.
Speaker 1: They have to be where they are if they're not
Speaker 1: doing anything improper. They're just fleeing a nightmares situation in
Speaker 1: a country that, like listen to our two part are
Speaker 1: on Haiti. They don't have a lot of options and
Speaker 1: they're doing the thing that they're supposed to be doing legally. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean that's always been the case, the frustrating case
Speaker 1: where it's like like you know, they're doing the things
Speaker 1: they're allowed to do. Yeah, they're literally obeying the law
Speaker 1: that you guys set up. That is stupid, but they're
Speaker 1: doing it. They're obeying it um and it's very bizarre
Speaker 1: to see, like you see people like on the left,
Speaker 1: like you know, obviously like all these deportations and like
Speaker 1: the images we're seeing, um, and how it's terrible we
Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing that. And then seeing people on the
Speaker 1: right like, uh, look at the crisis, and it's like,
Speaker 1: don't isn't this what you want? You want? Like all
Speaker 1: these people to be deported, Like this is what you want?
Speaker 1: What is it? You're you're literally getting the thing. The
Speaker 1: amount of people who are trying to seek asylum is
Speaker 1: what you're mad at? Or the like the fact that
Speaker 1: we're not letting it's just it's very maddening to see.
Speaker 1: They just want to be mad. Yeah. And the images
Speaker 1: that we're seeing from this right now of people on
Speaker 1: horseback with whips crralling katie, Katie, Katie, Yeah, whips And
Speaker 1: a quote from the article Okay, it's very important, it's
Speaker 1: very accurate. Not inaccurately call them whips. Okay, Um, all right,
Speaker 1: let's say so. This is from the Yahoo News coverage.
Speaker 1: After one of the officers invests, unfurled a chord resembling
Speaker 1: a lariat like whip and steered his horse to block
Speaker 1: the immigrants. One tumble back into the water, he got
Speaker 1: up and tried again, but the officers swung the cord
Speaker 1: again near his face, so they're not hipping them. They're
Speaker 1: swinging chords, not whips, just cord that resemble whips near
Speaker 1: their faces. It's fine, it's fine, fine, I change my position.
Speaker 1: I just love as a journalist like you, you get
Speaker 1: into the field of journalism to speak truth to power
Speaker 1: and and comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. And
Speaker 1: then you're like, well, we got to make sure we're
Speaker 1: not unfairly calling this chord a whip that he's hitting
Speaker 1: homeless refugee with go to border. Was that a whip
Speaker 1: or was it a whiplike chord? But also, even even
Speaker 1: if you want to be like the most accurate, it's
Speaker 1: not literally a whip. They didn't buy whips and they
Speaker 1: didn't go to the whip store. You can say that
Speaker 1: they used chords to whip people. Yeah, you use chords
Speaker 1: in a whip like manner. They use chords, which are
Speaker 1: a sensive. They hipped some chords around. Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: whip people with I whipped a man with a belt
Speaker 1: fish once. You can whip people with a variety of tools.
Speaker 1: That's why you can whip people with a branch with
Speaker 1: a stick. Look, as the song said, when a problem
Speaker 1: comes along, you must oh wait, no, no, no, you
Speaker 1: must succord it. You must chord like it just say,
Speaker 1: like a chord using a whip like manner, a chord
Speaker 1: that might as well have been a whip like you
Speaker 1: can still be accurate and not. It's very frustrating like
Speaker 1: that kind of splitting hairs is just like funk yourself.
Speaker 1: That's not journal And it seems it seems small, but
Speaker 1: it's really important be because yeah, it's all about what
Speaker 1: picture you're painting for people. And yeah, I'm sure that
Speaker 1: guy went home being like, oh the hoy paloy online
Speaker 1: all freaking out about whips. I found the truth. It
Speaker 1: was a whiplike chord did my job today being used
Speaker 1: to well, I guess chord can't be the verb. What's
Speaker 1: the what's a good verb to describe you using a
Speaker 1: chord in that way? And you know, I've seen this
Speaker 1: point being made that I agree. You know, we we
Speaker 1: made sure too. Well, I don't know if we made sure,
Speaker 1: but there was all of this hullabaloo about making room
Speaker 1: for Afghan citizens that were fleeing their home country, and
Speaker 1: understandably as we should we bear a lot of responsibility
Speaker 1: for their situation. We also bear a lot of responsibility
Speaker 1: for what's going on in Haiti, not directly per se,
Speaker 1: but directly repeatedly. As directly I was like, well, I
Speaker 1: mean we didn't like fail at a war for the
Speaker 1: last twin years, we failed at a lot of other
Speaker 1: things that are directly. We've cumulatively militarily occupied Haiti for
Speaker 1: at least as long as we were in Afghanistan and
Speaker 1: actively oppressed their own autonomy and autonomy and infrastructure. Ye. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yes, we are as responsible. We've been fucking with
Speaker 1: Haiti for a long time. It is truly abominable, and
Speaker 1: it is frustrating to look at people that are are
Speaker 1: very ready to cry foul at Donald Trump. But when
Speaker 1: it's Joe Biden, what is he supposed to do? Is
Speaker 1: hands are tied? What he supposed to do? It's the Senate,
Speaker 1: Parliamentary and ship where it's like, this is all such
Speaker 1: a horrible problem when Trump was in office, but like Biden,
Speaker 1: what you expect him to do something about Ice? It's
Speaker 1: a rogue agency. Will and take their money, right, don't
Speaker 1: don't have ice anymore? And be like well, motherfucker's you're
Speaker 1: not going to obey the law. Fuck you send in
Speaker 1: somebody to beat them up. You've got a lot of
Speaker 1: people who could beat up Ice. You're the you're the president.
Speaker 1: Suck them up and suck them up. Joe, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit about your excuses. You're the
Speaker 1: goddamn president. It's not who we are. I mean, sure
Speaker 1: there are are organization and sending the marine bomb Ice
Speaker 1: with with Harrier jets. Also retired the Harrier jet because
Speaker 1: it would be pretty rad to watz I saw. I
Speaker 1: saw somebody tweet like, uh, fire everybody and hire more
Speaker 1: different people to work here. It's like, wait, so the
Speaker 1: problem is with ICE as the people working there one
Speaker 1: of the problems that's not It is deeper than that.
Speaker 1: I would say if if if Biden were to fire
Speaker 1: them all and start the process of hiring new ICE people,
Speaker 1: I would be like, well, that's probably gonna make it better,
Speaker 1: and maybe they'll use like rope like whips instead of
Speaker 1: cord like whips. So the majority I mentioned this is
Speaker 1: a moment ago, but from what I understand, most of
Speaker 1: these um deportations are happening under the CDC's Title forty two,
Speaker 1: which was implemented in March. Donald Trump and everybody was
Speaker 1: very piste off about it. But you know, Title forty
Speaker 1: two was supposed to, you know, under the excuse of
Speaker 1: we want to limit coronavirus spread, etcetera. You know, it's
Speaker 1: it's supposed to curb the flow of it. But he's
Speaker 1: been promising for months to roll back Title forty two,
Speaker 1: and they keep saying they're about to, and now he's
Speaker 1: just using it to deport these people. This is just
Speaker 1: like the thing that also vaccinate them. Come here, give
Speaker 1: people vaccinations if they want them. There's a picture of
Speaker 1: the ice age and one of them with the whips.
Speaker 1: He's got like his fucking he's got chaps on, and
Speaker 1: he's got a play carrier like body armor, and he's
Speaker 1: got a fucking cowboy hat, and it's it's the ultimate
Speaker 1: expression of like what baby Larper's they are. None of
Speaker 1: that is like, I guess the chaps. You could argue
Speaker 1: where necessary because he is riding a horse, but like
Speaker 1: he just wanted to look cool. If you are wearing
Speaker 1: a plate carrier but not a helmet, you're full of ship,
Speaker 1: you're not in danger, and you just want to look cool,
Speaker 1: because if you're actually afraid of getting shot, you don't
Speaker 1: wear a fucking cowboy hat on your head. Also, if
Speaker 1: you're actually care about your own safety while riding a horse,
Speaker 1: you would you would wear a helmet as opposed to
Speaker 1: a cowboy hat, because if you get bucked off that horse,
Speaker 1: do you know what protection to cowboy hat offers? None?
Speaker 1: He just he just and you can see in the
Speaker 1: smile on his fucking face like this is his his
Speaker 1: fucking dream ever since he was a kid. And I
Speaker 1: just wish Geronimo would come back and deal with this motherfucker. Also,
Speaker 1: it's a ship cowboy hat, like fuck you. Like everything
Speaker 1: about these chuckle fox it's frustrating. Um, I don't know
Speaker 1: where do we They're all right chaps that I'll give
Speaker 1: them credit on the chaps. As a chap connoisseur, I've
Speaker 1: seen worse, really really nailed the chaps. I'll take a
Speaker 1: little brief intermission. I want to talk about this article
Speaker 1: from the Washington Examiner that's terrible. Patient migrants revolt in
Speaker 1: custody and seize control of privately contracted bus. And now,
Speaker 1: first of all, hell, yeah, that sounds like quite a
Speaker 1: story and maybe you know, one hopes they got away, right,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe they I don't think it a free bus,
Speaker 1: free bus. And it's just this, you know, it's obviously
Speaker 1: framed to be like you gotta you're scared that migrants
Speaker 1: taking the bus now they're here, um, and it's very fearmongering.
Speaker 1: The last sentence of it reads, the two people who
Speaker 1: confirmed the incident said law enforcement search for the escapees
Speaker 1: and recaptured them. The primary source for this article was
Speaker 1: from yesterday, and they had been recaptured by yesterday evening.
Speaker 1: And it's just like very frustrating to see this kind
Speaker 1: of thing, just like because obviously we're gonna share it around, like,
Speaker 1: oh look what happened either for an afternoon. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: like just like if if you're if your primary source
Speaker 1: is an article from yesterday saying like that they were
Speaker 1: recaptured almost immediately, and you say that in the article,
Speaker 1: maybe don't what's the point and don't lead with without
Speaker 1: that information. The point of the article obviously is to
Speaker 1: like scare people exactly and anger people and and scare them. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it was just very frustrating to see, uh a
Speaker 1: person just be like look at this very this wow
Speaker 1: breaking news like no, this is from yesterday, and you
Speaker 1: you you didn't explain the a very relevant part of it.
Speaker 1: Um and it's it's like not important in the grand
Speaker 1: scheme of things, but I think it speaks to It
Speaker 1: speaks to a lot of like how you gotta get
Speaker 1: those fucking clicks? You know, yeah, you gotta get this.
Speaker 1: Nothing matters more than that clicks. Yeah. Um, so I
Speaker 1: guess don't click on that article is my point. You
Speaker 1: don't click on the article. Don't have listened to this episode? Shit,
Speaker 1: purge purge this from your brain, but not the part
Speaker 1: to tell you not to click on that article perfectly said,
Speaker 1: remember that, don't read m cool never anything. Well, shit,
Speaker 1: what else are we doing? Do you guys want to
Speaker 1: take an ad break? Now? It's you know who won't
Speaker 1: do it for the clicks? Do it for the clicks,
Speaker 1: like do it for the boys? Just do it? Okay? Click? Yes?
Speaker 1: All right. When we come back, Katie and I will
Speaker 1: sing the best hits of the eighties and early nineties together,
Speaker 1: everything simply the best. So I have something, Yeah, how
Speaker 1: do you are you guys familiar with the Herman Kane Awards?
Speaker 1: Subredit no is it covid yeah, well, yes, of course. Yes.
Speaker 1: It's like people who said covid is not a thing
Speaker 1: and then tied of covid. Yeah, it's it's specifically, every
Speaker 1: post is just sort of celebrating somebody who had yelled
Speaker 1: about how covid isn't real or the vaccine isn't real
Speaker 1: and then died. It's just that, and it's it's exploded
Speaker 1: in popularity. There's a there's a Slate article about it
Speaker 1: today that's kind of grappling with this, and it points out, quote,
Speaker 1: subscriptions to the Herman Kane Awards subredit are increasing logarithmically
Speaker 1: from two thousand subscribers Unjuly four to five thousand at
Speaker 1: the beginning of August to more than a hundred thousand
Speaker 1: on September one, to two hundred forty three thousand on Friday,
Speaker 1: to two hundred seventy six thousand today. Um. That's outrage.
Speaker 1: That's a massive that is an enormous rate of increase.
Speaker 1: Um uh. And that is I just kind of want
Speaker 1: to talk like, how do you how do you feel
Speaker 1: about because I've been full disclosure, I've been dipping in
Speaker 1: for like the last couple of weeks, so it is
Speaker 1: to be clear, people making fun of people that have
Speaker 1: died of COVID. It is making fun of people who
Speaker 1: denied the reality of COVID or the efficacy of the vaccine.
Speaker 1: And then it's not just like stan the appeal, but
Speaker 1: it's a fucking tragedy. And it's tragic to me that
Speaker 1: they so many of I mean, certainly there is certainly tragic,
Speaker 1: ye s ghoulish people that um actively you know, spread disinformation,
Speaker 1: that got and knew what they were doing and got
Speaker 1: COVID and died. So many, so many, so many people
Speaker 1: have just been swept up in this. It's really hard
Speaker 1: political bide is m and it I don't like us
Speaker 1: losing our humanity and losing side of the fact that
Speaker 1: this is a tragedy. Our good friend, a good friend
Speaker 1: of Cody's in mind, a cousin anti vax are passed
Speaker 1: away this past week and of COVID and the whole
Speaker 1: family's wrecked. And the whole rest of the family went
Speaker 1: and got vaccinated and and so what happened, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: all did. The people were resistant at least, So to
Speaker 1: me it's like coming at like I I just I
Speaker 1: know that it's fun too. And there's and like and
Speaker 1: it's hard to wear angry and frustrated and these people
Speaker 1: are keeping us from getting a handle on the pandemic.
Speaker 1: It says something that the subredit is called like what
Speaker 1: Herman Kine or Liker award because it's like a you know, uh,
Speaker 1: public figure with a big platform and like spreading misinformation
Speaker 1: uh in a possibly the way. And I think, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's important to sort of like recognize that,
Speaker 1: like there are victims of misinformation who h it would
Speaker 1: be great if fate didn't and if there you know,
Speaker 1: political ideology didn't lean towards these other people. But like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think there's a difference between like
Speaker 1: if Tucker Carlson died of COVID, I'd be like, ha ha,
Speaker 1: that would be fun. That would be amazingly. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: like random people who have been like worked up over
Speaker 1: decades uh to like trust these fucking liars, yeah, and
Speaker 1: these insidious ghouls uh to not do the thing that
Speaker 1: they should be doing. I don't know. It's it's very
Speaker 1: you're not wrong in that Cody. At the same time,
Speaker 1: because again I'm try to be honest on this show.
Speaker 1: I'm not a very good person and I've never pretended
Speaker 1: to be. I have dipped in, especially on days when
Speaker 1: I've gotten angriest. You know, I can. I can remember
Speaker 1: my first My first warning sign of how truly bad
Speaker 1: the pandemic was going to be was showing up at
Speaker 1: the first Team mask Rawley in Oregon and seeing like
Speaker 1: a crowd of armed people spitting on nurses, h and
Speaker 1: doctors with signs that we're just saying please, we don't
Speaker 1: want you to get sick um and calling them diaper mouth.
Speaker 1: And there's an extent to which I won't defend morally.
Speaker 1: I will defend morally making fun of Herman Kane because
Speaker 1: motherfucker had plenty of chances to not do what he did.
Speaker 1: There's like tears of people. I think, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And and a lot of the people on the Herman
Speaker 1: Caine Awards, suret are just like normal people who got
Speaker 1: conned and and died as a result of it, and
Speaker 1: that is sad. At the same time, their actions and
Speaker 1: sort of the mass actions of this anti vaccine movement
Speaker 1: have had a disastrous I have so many friends in
Speaker 1: the life, events, business and stuff who are like a
Speaker 1: very close friend of mine, like a partner of mine.
Speaker 1: Is like it has been finally getting back to like
Speaker 1: doing life events because there's ways to do the quasi
Speaker 1: safely now, and was just overwhelmed with anxiety before getting
Speaker 1: back to before getting on the plane. Point and and
Speaker 1: she's vaxed. Everyone's vax They're doing everything they can to
Speaker 1: be safe, and I think, like the example of Lalla
Speaker 1: Baloosa shows like it can be done relatively safely, but
Speaker 1: like the sheer level of fear that she had trying
Speaker 1: to get back to her life, and the fact that
Speaker 1: she lost a year of income um and a lot
Speaker 1: of people did, And it's because of this bullshit. And
Speaker 1: I guess I can't well, I can't morally defend laughing
Speaker 1: at people who are just got conned. I also can't
Speaker 1: condemn people who feel like they need that schadenfreude. Finally,
Speaker 1: I think, I think you've made so many great points
Speaker 1: that I agree with. Of course it's all true, and
Speaker 1: I understand that desire, in that inclination and that anger. UM.
Speaker 1: I I'm disturbed though, by seeing um dehumanization of each other.
Speaker 1: And this piggybacks off a conversation we had last week
Speaker 1: on even More News with Natalie Sure about the conversations
Speaker 1: surrounding unvaccinated COVID patients and hospitals and insurance because many, many,
Speaker 1: many liberals are out here saying, well, we're angry with them,
Speaker 1: they're continuing this, they're the problem, their cope. We shouldn't
Speaker 1: cover their stuff and their insurance shouldn't cover their stays,
Speaker 1: or they shouldn't be allowed to take up space in
Speaker 1: the hospitals, you know, coming at it from this that
Speaker 1: side point, which to me sets off all of my
Speaker 1: alarm bells because you're you're taking this anger and you're
Speaker 1: going to a place that's an antithetical to what we
Speaker 1: all talk about and believe in. And so that's what
Speaker 1: I cautioned against when we go into these spaces and
Speaker 1: and and and and are grappling with these conversations. Um is,
Speaker 1: how do we honor our anger and frustration while also
Speaker 1: maintaining our humanity because and maybe you don't want to,
Speaker 1: And I get it, you know, I get it. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like deciding to forgive or X because it's
Speaker 1: better for you emotionally, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. Did you guys see
Speaker 1: that Breitbart article where they were talking about how we
Speaker 1: want we want to trick people into taking the lifesaving
Speaker 1: vaccine so that they don't take the lifesaving vaccine and
Speaker 1: then if I can die. Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like all of it. It's just a fucking mess. And
Speaker 1: like obviously also like a lot of people who are like,
Speaker 1: let's say vaccine. There are people who are vaccine hesitant
Speaker 1: for various reasons, and a lot of them are uh
Speaker 1: anti vax because of their political ideology and how it
Speaker 1: aligns with the sort of trump Ist way of looking
Speaker 1: at things, which is cruel, which is like like a
Speaker 1: form of American fascism. And so I also understand people
Speaker 1: who are like, well fuck those people, Um, but it
Speaker 1: is really hard to paint everybody with one brush. And
Speaker 1: straight up, if you think that, uh, we're tricking you
Speaker 1: into thinking the vacs seen as good so that you
Speaker 1: don't take it to die, take it, and then you
Speaker 1: like you'll like I'll be so so embarrassed if you
Speaker 1: take this and I can finally go back to an
Speaker 1: indoor Please don't take this. Just unbelievably owned, like it's weird,
Speaker 1: like worped reverse psychology, like like the should try it
Speaker 1: should we make some commercials. It's so weird. Guys, Please
Speaker 1: don't get vaccinated. Yeah, don't, please don't do it. We
Speaker 1: don't want you to get vaccinated. It's just a complicated mess.
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't you know, it's just again, it all
Speaker 1: comes down to like Tucker Carlson has been vaccinated. There's
Speaker 1: no question, one of the first people to get vaccinated.
Speaker 1: And he's doing and he's killing people, that's what he's
Speaker 1: what's going on right now, And they are you know,
Speaker 1: and I don't know um and I don't know everybody's
Speaker 1: individual story, but many of them have been fucking lied
Speaker 1: to into this dangerous thing and it just sucks all around.
Speaker 1: And they I mean, part of the complicated thing is that,
Speaker 1: like the most effective disinformation spreads because somebody you, you trust,
Speaker 1: tells it to you. That is the way it works.
Speaker 1: So we talk about how it's these influencers, but it's
Speaker 1: also these like these individuals who are dying, who are
Speaker 1: saying it on Facebook to their two friends, are a
Speaker 1: big part of the disinfo spread. They're just not as
Speaker 1: much A part of the moral blame is that because
Speaker 1: they're getting it from the big influencers. But they're the
Speaker 1: ones who are convincing family members. It's true, But creating
Speaker 1: a reddit to make fun of people like that isn't
Speaker 1: changing anyone's mind, isn't changing the people that are influencing
Speaker 1: their family members. It just pisces them off more, doesn't
Speaker 1: Is there any hope of that? Like we've I feel
Speaker 1: like we tried. I feel like we tried to change minds.
Speaker 1: And I guess here's where I am is Like they
Speaker 1: have the informations out there a tremendous amount, Like I've
Speaker 1: been one of the people like publishing journalistic articles on
Speaker 1: COVID disinformation, so have a lot of colleagues of mine.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, it didn't help, So why I just
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't say it's a good thing to do.
Speaker 1: The Herman Kane Awards ship But um, I guess I
Speaker 1: don't think people have any responsibility at this point to
Speaker 1: care about fixing the problem because the problem is so
Speaker 1: intractable and they have no ability to fix it. Like
Speaker 1: at this point, maybe the best way to fix the
Speaker 1: problem is for enough of these people to die that
Speaker 1: the rest gets scared and get their fucking shot. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing that was not how we
Speaker 1: wanted it to be. But that is where we are where.
Speaker 1: It's like almost every one of these stories is, uh,
Speaker 1: somebody gets sick. Who said that, Like I don't know
Speaker 1: whether it was a microchip or just like I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's uh, you know, we don't have enough data about
Speaker 1: like long term effects. Whatever the reasoning is. They don't
Speaker 1: do it, they get sick. Uh, they die while saying
Speaker 1: I should have gotten the vaccine and then five or
Speaker 1: six of their family members and get the vaccine. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's just I just don't like what I'm
Speaker 1: seeing in myself and in people that comes up with this,
Speaker 1: you know, and and so that's what I want to
Speaker 1: protect against in myself. But I do again understand and
Speaker 1: um yeah, I mean I get it. I get the
Speaker 1: alert and why it exists. It just yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 1: It just something can be bad and also not really
Speaker 1: our problem anymore. Like it's it's maybe maybe that's a
Speaker 1: healthy mindset. Maybe I'm too codependent. It's not codependent. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just making fun of myself. But like in general,
Speaker 1: like like like healthy boundaries or something that I struggle with.
Speaker 1: So when you said, like at a certain point, it's
Speaker 1: not my problem anymore. I'm like, well that sounds healthy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If this had cropped up eight months ago, I would
Speaker 1: have been like, this is fucked up. But like, my god,
Speaker 1: they've had everything has been done, you know, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: very and like that's the thing that the people who
Speaker 1: were like wilfully ignorant to, Like I saw Chris Rock
Speaker 1: got covid um he has been vaccinated. He said like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's got covid. You don't please get vaccinated. You you
Speaker 1: don't want this because he's probably having a bad time,
Speaker 1: probably would have had a much worse time if you
Speaker 1: got vaccinated. I saw a fucking uh, what's the fucking guy,
Speaker 1: Tim Pool. It was like, but Chris, I thought you
Speaker 1: were vaccinated, and it's just like your will. It has
Speaker 1: been so long. You know what the vaccine is for.
Speaker 1: You know what it does. You know that if he
Speaker 1: didn't get it, it it would probably much worse for him.
Speaker 1: So like, what is what is the goal here? What
Speaker 1: are you trying to do? Why are you trying to
Speaker 1: sow this doubt in people when you know it's like
Speaker 1: he been a year and a half, almost two years
Speaker 1: at this point. Chris, Yeah, I mean it's definitely been
Speaker 1: two years from when this was happening. It was spreading
Speaker 1: in Wuhan this time, right, you know? But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get and not to be like who what if?
Speaker 1: I just I don't want there to be a variant
Speaker 1: that is evading the vaccines that's evolved that we have
Speaker 1: to go back into an entire other lockdown. That's the
Speaker 1: other part of it is like you motherfucker's Yeah, well
Speaker 1: at this point, like what is the lockdown'm gonna do?
Speaker 1: It is gonna piss people off and then like not
Speaker 1: be effective because it's not like people are gonna do it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I don't know. That's I just want to sort
Speaker 1: of echo like there is a helplessness about a lot
Speaker 1: of this stuff where it's like it just feels like
Speaker 1: what can be done? What can do? But I don't
Speaker 1: want to end on that note. So I've got how
Speaker 1: about how about you talk about I don't have it
Speaker 1: right in front of me? The Texas doctor who went
Speaker 1: ahead and done did an abortion and basically said come
Speaker 1: at me, come at it, good dude, good dude, Alan
Speaker 1: braid Uh And he is a San Antonio physician, and yeah,
Speaker 1: he performed an abortion he told The Washington Post he
Speaker 1: was just out there saying it basically, come and get me.
Speaker 1: There were two, uh, lawsuits pretty quickly filed. And I
Speaker 1: love this. Um. A former Arkansas lawyer, Oscar Stilly, who
Speaker 1: said he is on home confinement serving time after a
Speaker 1: tax fraud conviction, filed a civil complaint against the doctor
Speaker 1: Monday and Bexar County District Court. He said he decided
Speaker 1: to sue the doctor after he read about the case.
Speaker 1: Uh oh, thank you, be heart. After he read about
Speaker 1: the case early Monday morning and wanted to test the
Speaker 1: Texas law. The doctor is gonna get sued. Mr Stilly said,
Speaker 1: someone's going to get ten thousand off of him. If
Speaker 1: that's the law, I might as well get the money.
Speaker 1: It's not the law. Let's go to court and get
Speaker 1: it sorted out. So, you know, I'm glad that he
Speaker 1: has such strong moral convictions of someone's going to get
Speaker 1: the money. It might as well be me while I
Speaker 1: sit here serving time for my tax evasion. Beautiful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very funny, but this is you know, uh, what
Speaker 1: we knew what happened, Like the only way that we
Speaker 1: potentially see some changes here. UM or if this case
Speaker 1: goes all the way to Supreme Court and on the
Speaker 1: constitutionality of the law, because before they were talking about
Speaker 1: they were just you know, going shrugging at a loophole.
Speaker 1: But if this case goes, it would directly question whether
Speaker 1: or not the law is constitutional. And that's something although
Speaker 1: again the court is filled with people that fuck um. Also,
Speaker 1: I believe it's December one that that other case directly
Speaker 1: challenging Row will be seen. So fun things to look
Speaker 1: on this more later, I'm sure, but I think that
Speaker 1: now we covered an all bounce us for the day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll just talking about Amazon's factory towns in the future. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we we have a lot to talk about. We also
Speaker 1: need Yeah, we have a We'll talk about a lot
Speaker 1: of good stuff in the future, but for right now.
Speaker 1: You know what I want to talk about, Hm, Joe
Speaker 1: mansions come, what God, Joe mansions come? Now? The consistency Cody, Katie,
Speaker 1: do you did you guys ever do that thing where
Speaker 1: you made like your own plato in uh in in
Speaker 1: in elementary school. You're going to ruin my childhood with whatever. Now,
Speaker 1: imagine if instead of using water for that, you used
Speaker 1: raw milk, like raw goat milk straight from the utter.
Speaker 1: That's the way Joe mansions come comes out. And I
Speaker 1: imagine while he's coming, he sounds like an old man
Speaker 1: with a prostate issue, Like he's like it hurts, like
Speaker 1: he doesn't enjoy coming. Called masturbation, milking it yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like pushing a soft boulder out of a foam wall.
Speaker 1: It's it's horrible for him. I'm milking chunks over here.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's what Joe Manchin says when he comes.
Speaker 1: I'm milking some chunks, milking chunks. Hey, let's push the
Speaker 1: meeting ten minutes. I got some chunks to milk out.
Speaker 1: Then he puts him in his coffee. Man. My cameras
Speaker 1: off so you couldn't see, but I crawled under the desk.
Speaker 1: That's the end of the episode. Good God, bless you all.
Speaker 1: Good d you sir, everyone, everything I tried, lovely