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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: name is Nol.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Andrew Treyfort's Howard. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 4: You are here.

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Speaker 3: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: If you are hearing this the evening it comes out, folks,

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Speaker 3: we are almost at the end of the calendar year,

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Speaker 3: a time for reflection, a time when we look back

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Speaker 3: and think, holy crap, how much stuff has happened over

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Speaker 3: just the past couple years.

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Speaker 5: Everything's fine a couple last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 6: It.

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Speaker 3: Says, says the dog in the Burning Room, the cartoon dog.

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Speaker 3: We're relevant, We're on point. What memes We're a going

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Speaker 3: to come back?

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Speaker 4: Actually, it's very releant since the NL just did it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, just so. And like the rest of the world,

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Speaker 3: we your faithful correspondents, are in the wake of an

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Speaker 3: ongoing pandemic, something that fundamentally rocked the planet. Everyone is

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Speaker 3: still trying to figure out what happened, how it happened,

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Speaker 3: what it means for the future. And there's this continuing

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Speaker 3: war of narratives and theories, And as we've discussed previously,

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Speaker 3: people still argue to this day about the origins COVID nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Was it naturally occurring zoonotic infection from a wet market

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Speaker 3: in Wuhan. Was it a lab experiment gone wrong? This

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Speaker 3: is a heavy sensitive subject even now at the end

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Speaker 3: of twenty twenty four. Luckily, guys, we are joined this

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Speaker 3: evening by one of the world's foremost researchers on this case,

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Speaker 3: these dilemmas, these questions, the award winning director, executive producer,

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Speaker 3: studio exec and creator of Thank You, Doctor Fauci. Folks,

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Speaker 3: we proudly welcome Jenner first to the show. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: coming on, man.

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Speaker 7: Thank you for having me, guys.

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Speaker 4: Just as a real Jenner first for the show.

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Speaker 5: Get it, because boy, I'm really sorry, sorry.

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Speaker 7: I really wish that was the first time.

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Speaker 5: Of course saying the first Noel to me and I say,

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Speaker 5: they're so creative and clever. It's true that, you know, Ben,

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Speaker 5: I couldn't help when you were doing that fantastic intro,

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Speaker 5: just thinking about how I haven't thought about this stuff

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Speaker 5: because it has not really been in the news a lot,

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Speaker 5: you know, since the you know, it was almost like

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Speaker 5: and then all of the kind of post mortem, but

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Speaker 5: no one's really talking about this stuff as much as

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Speaker 5: you think they should be in general. I can only

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Speaker 5: imagine that that perhaps led to your exploration to some degree,

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Speaker 5: or you know, at least a moment when we need

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Speaker 5: to hear about some of them, this kind of stuff,

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Speaker 5: what may have actually happened.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's interesting you say that. I think we hear

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Speaker 7: about a lot of things, And I don't think that's

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Speaker 7: a coincidence, and I think therein lies the story. Guys,

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Speaker 7: It's a lot more than meets the eye. Let's just

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Speaker 7: say that.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you you have a track record too for anybody

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Speaker 3: somehow unfamiliar. You are a two time Peabody Award winning,

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Speaker 3: four time Emmy nominated director, and you have this cavalcade

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Speaker 3: of diverse, impactful explorations of society that we could argue

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Speaker 3: go across genre with one thing in common, telling us

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Speaker 6: Oh, dude, the pharmacist right hotly crap.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, but I'm just the pharmacist, Jenner. When I

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Speaker 6: connected with the subject of that documentary. If you have

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Speaker 6: not watched The Pharmacist, go watch it right now and

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Speaker 6: then immediately watch Thank you, Doctor Fauci.

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Speaker 3: And I can confirm by the way Jenner, Matt is

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Speaker 2: We talked about it on the show. It was so good.

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Speaker 7: Yes, ironic. The Pharmacist came out in February of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: So are you serious?

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Speaker 7: Well, circle right there.

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Speaker 3: to glean your insight on here, Jenner, can you tell

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Speaker 7: Well, I think it's very interesting because actually when I

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Speaker 7: So this is twenty twenty. He's just becoming a household

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Speaker 7: I developed this project. I had his contact, I had

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Speaker 7: And in late twenty twenty three, my attorney contacted me

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Speaker 7: I'm a very cynical person. I can't say I skipped

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Speaker 6: And just to be clear, that is that is ever

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Speaker 3: General, we got to get to it, you and your

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, what I discovered was there was a

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Speaker 3: We've returned. Let's dive back in, Jenner. What you just

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Speaker 4: Which is just making bioweapons.

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Speaker 7: this research and ultimately they profit from this research and

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Speaker 7: all of it is subsidized, so of course they're incentivized

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Speaker 7: to want this research to continue. And then you have

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Speaker 7: sort of an aspect of this equation that involves a

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Speaker 7: lot of money but is not meant to be seen

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Speaker 7: by the public. And that's the involvement of the intelligence community,

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Speaker 7: and that there's actually a connection between the intelligence community,

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Speaker 7: venture capital, this research, vaccine development, and biotech companies. And

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Speaker 7: so you have to ask yourself, how the hell is

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Speaker 7: that food chain all connected ethically and without raising extreme

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Speaker 7: suspicion from the average person, And there isn't a good

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Speaker 7: answer for.

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Speaker 3: It, And what else does it tell us about the

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Speaker 3: larger context. We're so glad you're bringing this part up

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Speaker 3: because this is a heck of a wrinkle. There is

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Speaker 3: an alleged devil's bargain. Or let me step back for

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Speaker 3: a second and just highlight the note you made their

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Speaker 3: Jenner about the funding and the origin of the funding.

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Speaker 3: Fellow American listeners, that means you paid for it. Just

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Speaker 3: a side note for that one. When we're talking about

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Speaker 3: intelligence agencies in Thank you, doctor Fauci, there is this

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Speaker 3: concept of what we could call a Faustian bargain, a

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Speaker 3: devil's bargain, the idea that the United States, through various

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Speaker 3: Matroshka dolls of interaction gave the nation of China incredibly

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Speaker 3: sophisticated technology and funded research. Tell us what you think

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Speaker 3: as a way of aiding their goal of spying on

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Speaker 3: Chinese labs.

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Speaker 4: Is that correct?

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, of course that isn't the story that makes

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Speaker 7: the news. The story, sorry, that makes the news is

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Speaker 7: usually a story that doesn't even talk about that. But

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Speaker 7: if you look back at the news that was happening

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Speaker 7: around the time that the United States government was endorsing

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Speaker 7: and supporting this research, around twenty fourteen twenty fifteen, you'll

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Speaker 7: see this idea that science brings nations together, that science

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Speaker 7: is the great uniter, that like the International Space Station

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Speaker 7: for example, this is something that all of our great

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Speaker 7: scientists around the world can do benevolently, and this can aid,

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Speaker 7: you know, international relations. And the reality is one that

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Speaker 7: is far more sinister than that, and that when it

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Speaker 7: comes to the greatest threats to humanity, it isn't nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 7: It isn't what you see on the news about Iran

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Speaker 7: and its nuclear program. It's biological weapons. And the new

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Speaker 7: arms race that was taking place was between the United

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Speaker 7: dominant in this space and another that wanted to catch

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Speaker 7: up China and wanted to advance an agenda and become

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Speaker 7: a leader in this space, and did not have the

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Speaker 7: same regulations as the United States and did not have

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Speaker 7: any interest in being compliant to the Bioweapons Treaty or

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Speaker 7: any of these other safeguards, and that they essentially the

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Speaker 7: intelligence shows that they set very ambitious goals. And this

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Speaker 7: was known in the intelligence community for years. And there

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Speaker 7: was sort of this problem in China where they didn't

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Speaker 7: have certain aspects of technology, they didn't have certain aspects

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Speaker 7: this technology. And they called that the stranglehold problem. And

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Speaker 7: they ended up partnering with the French to build out

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Speaker 7: the wuhanans to the Virology's Biosafety four lab. This was

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Speaker 7: the most sophisticated lab in China to handle the most

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Speaker 7: dangerous pathogens on the planet, and the French lent most

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Speaker 7: of their knowledge and a lot of the technological expertise

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Speaker 7: to build this lab, to train the Chinese on how

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Speaker 7: to operate the lab, and ultimately the French were kicked

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Speaker 7: out at the last second before the lab was ready

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Speaker 7: to be functional, and the Chinese assumed control of the lab,

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Speaker 7: and this sent signals I think in the intelligence community

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Speaker 7: that the Chinese intended to use the lab for bioweaponry

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Speaker 7: and for research that was adversarial in nature. And this

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Speaker 7: is around the same time that you see the funding

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Speaker 7: to that lab from the United States increase, and where

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Speaker 7: you see scientists who are highly suspicious individuals who run

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Speaker 7: quote on profits like Peter Dashik and Eco Health Alliance

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Speaker 7: start to do more research at Wuhan as a pass

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Speaker 7: through right, as essentially something that can receive money from

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Speaker 7: the United States government and then distribute it with even

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Speaker 7: less regulation than the government had at the time, which

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Speaker 7: was scammed.

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Speaker 5: So it's a way of conducting this kind of research

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Speaker 5: without being directly tied to it, or it's almost like

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Speaker 5: a loophole to get around like the Biological Weapons Convention,

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Speaker 5: which essentially prohibited development, production, acquisition, stockpiling of biological and

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Speaker 5: toxic weapons. Like is that the idea that this sort

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Speaker 5: of gives this layer of plausible deniability or what?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's exactly what it is, and that's what it

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Speaker 7: was from day one. So even before you have what

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Speaker 7: is going on in Wuhan around twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 7: You go all the way back to two thousand and one,

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Speaker 7: around the time of the anthrax attack, when you know

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Speaker 7: we began to do this research aggressively to make a

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Speaker 7: quote vaccine or to stock pile vaccines for potential weapons agents.

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Speaker 7: The loophole is by design in order to make a countermeasure,

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Speaker 7: you have to create the agent itself. And so as

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Speaker 7: long as your research is defensive in nature, it's permitted

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Speaker 7: in the Bioweapons Treaty. Or you can make defensive measures,

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Speaker 7: but those could involve the creation of an offensive agent

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Speaker 7: and that is kosher.

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Speaker 6: So let's talk about a very specific instance of this

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Speaker 6: that it's a proposal there comes to us in the

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Speaker 6: form of a proposal that was sent to DARPA in

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Speaker 6: twenty eighteen by EcoHealth Alliance. It was a proposal that

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Speaker 6: was rejected. I think you mentioned it in the documentary

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Speaker 6: as the Diffuse Proposal or what are they called DC

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Speaker 6: sign I believe.

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Speaker 7: No, it's the Yes, it's the Diffuse Proposal, which was

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Speaker 7: drafted by EcoHealth Alliance with the contryributions of Shijing Lie

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Speaker 7: at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and Ralph Barrick at

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Speaker 7: UNC Chapel Hill, and these are really the main players

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Speaker 7: in this story. Underneath Anthony Fauci is this web of

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Speaker 7: scientists who were doing research at Wuhan or who were

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Speaker 7: connected to Wuhan, And this proposal predates the pandemic and

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Speaker 7: outlines essentially a blueprint for how to create a virus

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Speaker 7: that looks identical to COVID nineteen in its sort of effect.

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Speaker 7: And of course plausible deniability is to you know, look

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Speaker 7: at every little nuance of the actual virus, which has

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Speaker 7: evolved countless time since it was released, and you know,

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Speaker 7: for people like Fauci to say that, well, this has

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Speaker 7: no connection whatsoever, and of course it was never funded,

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Speaker 7: which we also believe is a lie.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 6: So this whole, this recent arch was meant to insert

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Speaker 6: fer and cleavage sites in SARS viruses, like, as you're saying,

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Speaker 6: a blueprint for what SARS cove two became. And I

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Speaker 6: can we just hit really quickly on why that fer

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Speaker 6: and cleavage site is so important to the genome organization

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Speaker 6: of this virus and.

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Speaker 4: What that is and what it might indicate.

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Speaker 7: Right, So, the what gain of function does over time

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Speaker 7: is identify different aspects of a virus or an organism

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Speaker 7: that contribute to a key function, and if you want

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Speaker 7: to add that function, if you want to gain a function,

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Speaker 7: you use certain attributes and fur and the fur and

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Speaker 7: cleavage site is very complex and something that I think

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Speaker 7: a layman may have trouble understanding. But the simplest way

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Speaker 7: to explain it is that this is a component that

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Speaker 7: was well known and understood to make viruses airborne, inspiratory

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Speaker 7: and very very infectious. So if you took a virus

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Speaker 7: that maybe didn't have an easy time transmitting in humans,

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Speaker 7: if you added a fer and cleavage site, you would

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Speaker 7: have a very infectious virus. And that I think is

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Speaker 7: really the first smoking gun in the story, because as

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Speaker 7: the outbreak is happening and as it's becoming a global pandemic,

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Speaker 7: the genetic sequence is released by the Chinese and it

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Speaker 7: has this immediate sore thumb sticking out, which is the

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Speaker 7: fer and cleavage site. Many scientists pointed to that, and

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Speaker 7: they looked at the genetic comparison of other coronaviruses that

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Speaker 7: were similar, and there were a lot of anomalies. The

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Speaker 7: most striking one was this fern cleavage site. It had

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Speaker 7: not existed in this way in any other virus and

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Speaker 7: essentially made a virus that would spring loaded to infect humans.

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Speaker 7: And so the whole logical, you know, explanation for this

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Speaker 7: being a natural virus started to fall away for a

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Speaker 7: lot of people, including doctor Bob Redfield, because you have

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Speaker 7: a virus that immediately is infecting humans, when if it

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Speaker 7: was natural, there would be several evolutions and there would

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Speaker 7: be a way to track those evolutions in other animals,

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Speaker 7: other host species, and ultimately into humans. And instead you

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Speaker 7: had a virus that wasn't even infecting bats, that was

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Speaker 7: being blamed on bats, but was essentially transmitting like wildfire.

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Speaker 7: Bob Redfield says he believes it's the second most infectious

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Speaker 7: virus in history, and it's being blamed on a bat

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Speaker 7: in a wet market and there isn't even evidence of

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Speaker 7: where that incident occurred. Meanwhile, by the time we were

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Speaker 7: reporting it, little did the world know this had spread

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Speaker 7: around the globe probably three times. That by January of

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty, this virus had most likely gone around the

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Speaker 7: globe multiple times. And so the fir and cleavage side

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Speaker 7: to kind of tie it all together. The reason why

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Speaker 7: this virus was so infectious, the reason why it was

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Speaker 7: an airborne virus, and the reason why it was so

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Speaker 7: suspicious is because it used this thing, this tool, this attribute,

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Speaker 7: which was well known and gain a function to make

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Speaker 7: it that way, and scientists on the inside knew that.

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Speaker 3: On day one, will pause here for a word from

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Speaker 3: our sponsor, and then we'll be back with more from Jenner.

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Speaker 8: First, and we've returned, let's jump right back into our

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Speaker 8: conversation with Jenner.

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Speaker 3: And this is where this is where we get to

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Speaker 3: the idea of narrative war. Right, you mentioned you mentioned

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Speaker 3: Dasik or Pete. Know him well enough to call Pete.

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Speaker 7: So it's a lot of different pronunciations. They have called

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Speaker 7: him doctor Evil. Yes, I believe the actual Foyas. There

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Speaker 7: are scientists who are making essentially a fraudulent science paper

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Speaker 7: who call him the Grand Wizard of phylogeny. He is

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Speaker 7: a quite a a interesting guy.

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Speaker 3: From the word right, sorry, and yeah, that that was

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Speaker 3: what you're referring to. There is a statement from Neil Harrison,

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Speaker 3: a PhD, who didn't want to use the F word, uh,

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Speaker 3: the F word being fraud. This is interesting, Jenner, because

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Speaker 3: we've we've already sort of alluded to this idea of

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Speaker 3: again narrative war of experts in their field, world class

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Speaker 3: experts who are somehow sidelined in the race to figure

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Speaker 3: out what the f is going on. With our guy

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Speaker 3: Pete here, I'm particularly interested in the role he played.

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Speaker 3: It seems like there are may be multiple roles in

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Speaker 3: getting together a group of scientists who would march in

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Speaker 3: lockstep with the wet market conclusion or the wet market theory.

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Speaker 3: And there's a lot of time spent in I mean,

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Speaker 3: you and your team and your partners find some pretty

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Speaker 3: disturbing internal communications. I'm thinking specifically about folks like the

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Speaker 3: investigative reporter Emily Copp leading so many charges on Foyer requests.

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Speaker 3: Could you tell us a little bit about why some

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Speaker 3: scientists felt they were excluded from this quote unquote inner

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Speaker 3: circle and why other scientists seemed to be totally fine

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Speaker 3: jumping on things like that open letter from the Lancet

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Speaker 3: in February of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think that people like doctor Peter dash were

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Speaker 7: really the ones that were so compromised that it was

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Speaker 7: others who had to do the work of covering up

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Speaker 7: their mistake. Yet people like Dashik, of course, were out

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Speaker 7: in front with this natural origin theory, never disclosing to

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Speaker 7: anyone the work he had done at Wuhan, never disclosing,

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Speaker 7: of course, the proposal that outlined creating a virus that

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Speaker 7: looked identical to the one that was infecting people around

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Speaker 7: the world. And I think it's pretty obvious that the

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Speaker 7: folks on the inner circle, when you do the actual

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Speaker 7: digging on these folks, they all had conflicts of interest.

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Speaker 7: They either received money directly from Anthony Fauci's agency in

653
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 7: the United States government to do research involving gain of function,

654
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 7: which was of course the most controversial aspect of this

655
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 7: research that people like Fauci did not want to talk about.

656
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 7: And many of these people who signed the Lancet letter,

657
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 7: for example, have direct ties to even vaccine technology, biotechnology research,

658
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 7: pharmaceutical companies. And so you see this media campaign essentially

659
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 7: for three months straight, and this is while the virus

660
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 7: is continuing to spread around the world, and this is

661
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 7: while we are confounded by the virus's attributes and we

662
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 7: don't know what it's doing and we don't know how

663
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 7: to treat it. And of course that is a horrible,

664
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 7: horrible misleading idea here that we don't know about this virus,

665
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 7: because there was research into this virus and aspects of

666
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 7: this virus and the virus's attributes for close to a decade,

667
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 7: and if there had been an honest conversation amongst all

668
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 7: of these scientists, and if they had been willing to

669
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 7: acknowledge what was staring them right in the face, which

670
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 7: was evidence that this had and manipulated in the lab,

671
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 7: evidence that many of the grants, I mean many grants,

672
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 7: like over twenty grants to the Wuhan Institute of Virology,

673
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 7: to doctor Ralph Barrick at UNC, to a lot of

674
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 7: other scientists who were actually involved in these teleconferences would

675
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 7: tell you how this virus behaves and would give you

676
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 7: a leg up for treating this virus, including countermeasures which

677
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 7: were somewhat successful at treating the virus that were not vaccines.

678
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 7: And yet for months, there's one story that's hitting the airwaves.

679
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 7: The virus is natural. It just hit us and you know,

680
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 7: out of the blues, smacked us in the face. And

681
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 7: we've been warning you about this type of you know,

682
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 7: natural phenomenon for decades now, and it's exactly why we

683
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 7: do this dangerous research so that we can understand these

684
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 7: things that are just going to come out of nature,

685
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 7: like you know, a bolt from above, and we're just

686
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 7: scrambling to figure it out. So please be patient and

687
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 7: trust the science because we're just trying to figure it

688
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 7: out right now. And it was actually the opposite. The

689
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 7: only thing they were trying to figure out was how

690
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 7: to carry out a cover up which would essentially obscure

691
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 7: or hide all of the connections that these individuals had

692
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 7: for years to this work and all of the culpability

693
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 7: that they had for the pandemic happening. But the problem

694
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 7: is unlike a traditional fraud or a traditional crime, where

695
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 7: you can really narrow down a set of suspects and

696
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 7: you can, you know, put culpability down to you know,

697
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 7: who drove the getaway car and who held the gun.

698
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: And you know rode proximal origin, right, you know.

699
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 7: Who who covered for who? And you know you can

700
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 7: you know, get people in even a rico case like

701
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 7: in the mafia. You know, you can put a bunch

702
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 7: of things together. This makes the average mafia case, you know,

703
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 7: look like child's play. I mean, this is levels and

704
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 7: levels of culpability, of connection, of benefit, of potential harm

705
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 7: to sectors that or lobbies that have extreme power in

706
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 7: the United States. You have a lot of people all

707
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 7: standing to lose something from telling the truth, and you

708
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 7: have a lot of people all standing to gain something

709
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 7: from telling a lie. And so you just have a

710
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 7: perfect storm and ultimately a crime that becomes too big

711
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 7: to prosecute. And that's where we are now. But these

712
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 7: individuals did the early work, and these individuals set the

713
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 7: stage and created the master narrative, the big lie that

714
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 7: would get repeated for years and ultimately got the media

715
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 7: in line and got even the United States government under

716
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 7: Donald Trump in line to enact this cover up and

717
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 7: to essentially launch warp speed and to give these pharmaceutical

718
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 7: companies complete and total protection, no liability for damage, and

719
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 7: all of it, all of it was based on a lie.

720
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 7: And if we are to really step back and look

721
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 7: at that, the damage is inconceivable.

722
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 6: I'd love to name some of those guys, just put

723
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 6: it like, do we have a list of people from

724
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 6: like those early slack communications and those early connections that

725
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 6: we could just say their names here where people should

726
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 6: start looking up.

727
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 7: Of course, so you have an initial flurry of emails

728
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 7: between Sir Jeremy Farrar Fauci and Francis Collins, who is

729
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 7: the director of the NIH, ostensibly Fauci's boss, although Fauci

730
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 7: has been there a lot longer and appears to have

731
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 7: a lot more power. These three individuals represent nearly seventy

732
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 7: five billion dollars in funding every year.

733
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 4: Wow.

734
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 7: And Jeremy Farrar is like Fauci's equivalent in the UK.

735
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 7: He was the director of the Welcome Trust and that

736
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 7: was one of the largest funders of biomedical research in Europe.

737
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 7: And these individuals were corresponding on emails for which you

738
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 7: can see just Google. Emails between Anthony Fauci and Jeremy Farrar.

739
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 4: Heavily redacted though right, I mean, isn't that well.

740
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 7: Originally they were heavily redacted, which is something that was

741
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 7: of course very suspicious, especially how long they were requested.

742
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 7: In the first batch that was released was redacted, but

743
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 7: by now these emails have been unredacted because there was

744
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 7: no legal reason why they should have been redacted in

745
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 7: the first place. And the essentially the NIH was engaging

746
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 7: in obstruction of justice and essentially continuing and cover up

747
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 7: despite the fact that they legally needed to release this information.

748
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 7: But back to the story, So in early January, right

749
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 7: after New Year's Eve, you see a flurry of emails

750
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 7: and then you see scientists start to have conversations amongst

751
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 7: each other after this genetic sequence is released to the public,

752
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 7: and that's in early January, January eleventh, and by the

753
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 7: twenty seventh of January, Fauci gets contacted by a scientist

754
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 7: named Christian Anderson. And Anderson is based in California and

755
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 7: does a lot of research on viruses like a bola

756
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 7: and lassa. He worked for worked with a laboratory in

757
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 7: West Africa called the Viral Hemorrhagic Fever Consortium, and he

758
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 7: contacts Fauci and says, you know, this fern cleavage side

759
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 7: is very suspicious and this looks like it may have

760
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 7: come from a lab. And by the way, I I

761
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 7: found these grants that basically show almost instructions and or

762
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 7: components of this virus, and they were funded by the

763
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 7: ni AID and the work happened with Ralph Barrick back

764
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 7: in twenty fourteen, in twenty fifteen, and Fauci responds by

765
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 7: saying something along the lines of you know, if this

766
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 7: is true, then you know you should contact the FBI.

767
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 7: Right Meanwhile, you know Fauci is continuing to field panic

768
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 7: and start to do some damage control. And then on

769
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 7: the thirty first of January, you've had all these emails,

770
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 7: this kind of concern that this is going to get

771
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 7: out of control and that there needs to be essentially

772
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 7: a story right now because this could affect a lot

773
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 7: of us, and you're not going to see them, you know,

774
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 7: dump their guts on emails because they are seasoned bureaucrats.

775
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 7: I mean, it's like the Mafia. They don't talk on

776
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 7: the phone, watch the soprano, and Tony doesn't let you

777
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 7: say anything on his house line. Fauci was the same

778
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 7: way about his email account. I mean, if anything, he

779
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 7: put things in his email to try to protect himself

780
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 7: to make it seem like he had genuine concern or

781
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 7: genuine he was genuinely trying to get to the bottom

782
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 7: of what happened, as if he didn't know already.

783
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: Oh geez, says the guy A dressed as the hot dog.

784
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 3: It could have been anybody.

785
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 5: That's just basic corporate training etiquette, you know, for email,

786
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 5: like our lawyers for our company, like tell us the

787
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 5: exact same thing. Be really careful about what you say,

788
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 5: because that's the stuff that gets pulled in for lawsuits

789
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 5: is usually this kind of email conversation.

790
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 7: And imagine that times ten, because now you're dealing with

791
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 7: American bureaucracy and the federal government and Congress and all

792
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 7: of these things that Fauci was well aware of. So however,

793
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 7: he you know, got there whatever. You know, however he

794
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 7: scraped his knee in the past, he was very well

795
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 7: aware on how to discuss things over email. Although he

796
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 7: made a lot of mistakes. And if you hadn't made

797
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 7: those mistakes, we wouldn't be here right now. There's still

798
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 7: plenty in those emails that's suspicious and that raises a

799
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 7: lot of questions. But you have this turning point, and

800
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 7: you have these conversations happening online amongst accomplished scientists, scientists

801
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 7: who have a background in this field and who can

802
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 7: call it like it is and look at this genetic

803
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 7: sequence and google and use the research databases that they exist,

804
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 7: and go and find grants that are doing research that

805
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 7: is very suspicious compared to the outbreak and in the

806
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 7: location where the outbreak happened. And so this is starting

807
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 7: to crescendo. And then on the thirty first of January,

808
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 7: there is a number of different articles that come out,

809
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 7: but there is a preprint of a paper, and this

810
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 7: paper advances the original suspicion that existed and says, yes,

811
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 7: there is a fern cleavage side, but there are three

812
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 7: other regions of this genetic sequence that are suspicious and

813
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 7: do not seem natural. And we have found in our

814
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 7: crunch of the genetic sequence, in comparison to all the

815
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 7: other genetic sequences that exist for these viruses, we have

816
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 7: found fragments that are suspiciously similar to HIV. And this

817
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 7: is when the panic begins to articulate and get even

818
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 7: more frenzied, and Fauci is up late at night scheduling

819
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 7: an emergency teleconference. And by this point Bob Redfield has

820
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 7: had numerous conversations with Anthony Fauci. He's the director of

821
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 7: the CDC, and he has talked to Fauci directly about

822
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 7: his feelings about this virus. That he felt it came

823
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 7: from the lab in Wuhan, that he felt it wasn't natural,

824
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 7: that he felt it was spreading in a way that

825
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 7: was uncontrollable for a natural virus, and that he also

826
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 7: was aware of research that was funded by the United

827
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 7: States at the lab to do work that may result

828
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 7: in a pandemic just like this. And on that night

829
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 7: of frenzied emails inviting scientists like Christian Anderson, who at

830
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 7: first was somewhat of a whistleblower, who shows up saying, hey,

831
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 7: you know, doctor Fauci, this virus doesn't look natural. And

832
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 7: doctor Fauci goes, that's, you know, great observation, you know,

833
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 7: doctor Anderson. Well, if it's true, let's call the FBI. Well,

834
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,439
Speaker 7: Anderson gets invited to this teleconference, along with a lot

835
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 7: of other scientists that have a lot to lose if

836
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 7: Gain of Function has another scandal. But the CDs director,

837
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 7: doctor Bob Redfield, does not get invited to the emergency teleconference.

838
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 7: And so you have the director of the NIH, Francis Collins.

839
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 7: You have Jeremy Farrar, the guy who is you know,

840
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 7: the Fauci of Europe. And you have these scientists who

841
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 7: do this work, in fact, are famous for this work.

842
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 6: I'm gonna put these names, Robert Gary, Eddie Holmes, a

843
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 6: couple of dudes.

844
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 7: Christian Anderson loops in three scientists that he works closely with,

845
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 7: and those scientists are doctor Bob Gary, who also does

846
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 7: a lot of work in West Africa around viruses like

847
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 7: Abola and LASSA, and even did a lot of research

848
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 7: around AIDS and HIV starting in the nineties. And you

849
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 7: have Eddie Holmes and Andrew Rambo. Again, these are scientists

850
00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 7: who have been in the community for a while doing

851
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 7: this type of work themselves, but also have ties going

852
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 7: all the way back to the HIV research being done

853
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 7: in the nineties to try to understand origin and understand

854
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 7: the virus better. These were people that Fauci knew, that

855
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 7: Fauci had funded, and whose work he was familiar with.

856
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 7: And you have some scientists who really have no reason

857
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 7: for being there. The only reason they maybe were there

858
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 7: were to argue why this was or wasn't gain of function,

859
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 7: why this was or wasn't a lab league. But they

860
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 7: weren't doing that objectively because this scientist, for example, this

861
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 7: guy Ron Fuchier, was one of the most controversial scientists

862
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 7: in gain of function today. He had been funded by

863
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 7: Fauci to make avian flu bird flu airborne, and bird

864
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 7: flu has like a fatality rate that can be anywhere

865
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 7: between ten percent and fifty percent. There has never been

866
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 7: a huge human to human spread of bird flu it

867
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 7: doesnatural right, it does, Yeah.

868
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 4: Jenna really quickly.

869
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 5: Fauci in a press conference references a paper or a

870
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 5: study that is he, as far as he's concerned, is

871
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 5: proof positive that no lab leak occurred, that this was,

872
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 5: you know, something that supported the wuhan wet market narrative.

873
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 5: But he's like, I don't remember the names, and it

874
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 5: seems really so it's odd and it's just I don't know, Yes,

875
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 5: what's very od.

876
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 4: Does he ever actually drop what it is?

877
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 5: Like, do you guys get to the bottom of that

878
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 5: or is it just sort of a vague statement.

879
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 7: Okay, you know, you rewind three months and those scientists

880
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 7: who he says he doesn't have the names of are

881
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 7: the ones that he summons to an emergency teleconference on

882
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 7: January thirty. First, he begins the emails. On February second,

883
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 7: that teleconference happens. So you're referring to a press conference

884
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 7: in April where Trump was present and where there is

885
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 7: a lot of concern now about this being a lab leak.

886
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 7: And Fauci holds up a paper. It's called the Proximal

887
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 7: Origin of Stars KOV two. That paper was written by

888
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 7: Christian Anderson, Bob Gary Andrew Rambo and Eddie Holmes. There

889
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 7: were a bunch of other writers, but those four guys

890
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 7: happened to be in the teleconference. On February second, there's

891
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 7: another teleconference that we didn't even know about that happened.

892
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 7: It's February first that this teleconference happened, So if you

893
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 7: have to go back, and the date is February first,

894
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 7: Fauci is panicked on the thirty first of January, and

895
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 7: by the first of February he gets everybody together for

896
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 7: a teleconference. On February third, there's another teleconference, and this

897
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 7: one actually includes some of the scientists who may be

898
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 7: responsible for the pandemic. And this was never disclosed to

899
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 7: the public, and these scientists were never even credited on

900
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 7: that proximal origin paper. And essentially you had scientists who

901
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 7: were either famous for gain of function research and or

902
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 7: involved in the actual creation of a virus that may

903
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 7: have caused this pandemic, who are present and who are

904
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 7: interfacing with scientists who are writing a scientific paper to

905
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 7: prove that this did not happen in a lab and

906
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 7: that this was natural. And so you can't think of

907
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 7: a more suspicious set of facts than that.

908
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 3: And I think that's I think you put it very

909
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 3: fairly there. At multiple points. We'd love to ask a

910
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,959
Speaker 3: personal question of you generate if it's all right here?

911
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 7: Sure?

912
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 4: All right?

913
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 3: So what are so You're coming into this like so

914
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 3: many other people across the planet during the let's say,

915
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 3: the emergence of public knowledge of COVID right if we

916
00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 3: want to be technically accurate there, when you have dived

917
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 3: into this, are there questions that you personally right now

918
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 3: would like answered or questions that remain unanswered at the

919
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 3: culmination of your research here? And then secondly, I just

920
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 3: we just have to ask, man, did you ever feel

921
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 3: that you were in danger looking into this or ever

922
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 3: in fear of some some kind of possible reprisal.

923
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've been. I've told stories where I feared for

924
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 7: my life, and I've told a few of them, and

925
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 7: the nature of the threat was different each time. And

926
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 7: I think when you go against the intelligence community, or

927
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 7: you go against the pharmaceutical industry, you can find yourself

928
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 7: in the crosshairs. But in my experience, in my you

929
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 7: know understanding the space that unfortunately it's the bravest and

930
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 7: the first to respond, the first to break important information

931
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 7: or even I witnesses whistleblowers. They're the ones who die first.

932
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 7: They're the ones who were killed first. And I was

933
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 7: coming to this story late, but I was the aggregator.

934
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 7: I was the person connecting a lot of this research

935
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 7: and a lot of these sources together. And I quickly

936
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 7: realized that I was being monitored, or at least I

937
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 7: felt I was being monitored. There were weird things happening

938
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 7: with my devices, and I had some very strange zoom

939
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 7: calls that you know, I was getting thumbs up and

940
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 7: balloons and all sorts of things on very bizarre lines.

941
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 7: And I started to have an evolution where I understood

942
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 7: that maybe I was being monitored, but that it appeared

943
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 7: that who was monitoring me was in support of my thesis,

944
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 7: and that it was a very bizarre thing that happened.

945
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 7: And so I began to realize that I was not

946
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 7: going to be killed, and I was not at risk

947
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 7: of being killed, and that kind of melodramatic story that journalists,

948
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 7: you know, like to tell case I was. I was safe,

949
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 7: but that the greatest risk for someone like me is

950
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 7: that there will be people who come into your life

951
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 7: and convince you that they have a lot of evidence

952
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 7: that you should know about, or that you need to

953
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 7: talk to this one person because this one person has

954
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 7: it figured out, or actually it's not Anthony Fauci, it's

955
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 7: Francis Collins, or it's not that it's this, or you know,

956
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 7: that is the risk because for someone like me, who

957
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 7: you can google and who has reached, you know, over

958
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 7: a billion people, with my work has been seen by

959
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 7: over a billion people, It's been on major platforms. That

960
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 7: the name of the game is not killing me because

961
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 7: my crew is too big, and that it's too many

962
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 7: people know I'm making this movie. The name of the

963
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 7: game is misleading me and getting me to include information

964
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 7: that isn't true. And what I began to understand is

965
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 7: that I was being supported by people potentially within the CIA,

966
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 7: and I had a background source in the CIA whom

967
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 7: I cannot disclose any information about. But what I can

968
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 7: say about this individual is that they endorsed and supported

969
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 7: the data that I had collected and the hypothesis that

970
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 7: I had formed around this data, and that they believed

971
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 7: that I was on the right track, and that the

972
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 7: biggest thing they wanted people to know and the American

973
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 7: public to know is that most of the people in

974
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 7: these agencies, the FBI, the NSA, the CIA, the DoD.

975
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 7: These are patriots, for lack of a better word, people

976
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 7: that believe they're serving our country and that they're protecting

977
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 7: us from threats that will never know, and that they

978
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 7: believe that they're honest people and they're hardworking people, and

979
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 7: that the corruption is really at the top, and that

980
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 7: they want more than any thing for that corruption to

981
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 7: be routed out, for that corruption to be annihilated. And

982
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 7: so I found by the end of the story that

983
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 7: the people that I may fear the most, you know,

984
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 7: the CIA, you know the intelligence community, they're the ones

985
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 7: who are going to off me, were actually individuals who

986
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 7: supported my efforts. And that was the big twist for

987
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 7: me when I realized that this was a story that

988
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 7: made for a lot of strange bedfellows and created strong

989
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 7: alliances and strong collaborations across political lines, across agency lines,

990
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 7: and that a lot of these people were simply soldiers

991
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,479
Speaker 7: of the truth. And I found myself in a similar role.

992
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 7: And I think it'll be a war that I'm fighting

993
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 7: for the rest of my life at this point, because

994
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 7: the folks on the other side are quite powerful and

995
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 7: they have a lot of tricks and things are actually

996
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,919
Speaker 7: just getting started. So I hate to say something like that.

997
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 7: I hate to say that, oh, we figured out the

998
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 7: truth now and there's there's protections in place and this

999
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 7: won't happen again. It's it's the opposite. And you asked

1000
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 7: me what did I learn? What did I discover? You know,

1001
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 7: from making this movie. I learned how much I don't know,

1002
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 7: and I am hungry to learn more about what happened

1003
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 7: with COVID. But watch for the biggest distraction. The biggest

1004
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 7: distraction is going to be the quote smoking gun. And

1005
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 7: the reason why that's the biggest distraction. You know, when

1006
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 7: did the virus leak? What is the incident that caused

1007
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 7: that leak, What is the exact composition of that virus,

1008
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 7: and the proof that that composition was man made? You'll

1009
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 7: never find that, Okay, you will never find that. The

1010
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 7: serological data about the virus was never released from the Chinese.

1011
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 7: We don't know what the earliest you know, illness look like.

1012
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 7: We have a genetic sequence, which is essentially just a

1013
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 7: computer set of letters, right, And the reason why that

1014
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 7: so much attention is put on the exact origin of

1015
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 7: this virus is because that's the part that the most

1016
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 7: powerful and sinister individuals know that they've gotten away with.

1017
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 7: The prime that you can prove right now is that

1018
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 7: there was a cover up, and that the individuals engage

1019
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 7: in a cover up are engaged in a lot of

1020
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 7: sinister activities around the globe. That these activities involve war games,

1021
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 7: that they involve pharmaceutical industry essentially abusing the public for years,

1022
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 7: and they involve what could be another pandemic that will

1023
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 7: cause even more societal change, even more profit, and even

1024
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 7: more I think, destruction to the fabric of our world.

1025
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 7: And that is the thing that we need to focus

1026
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 7: on right now. We need to focus on the clear

1027
01:06:55,480 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 7: evidence that a bird flu will likely emerge sometime very soon.

1028
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 7: You can see the fingerprints in the media. You can

1029
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 7: see stories about bird flu emerging in cow milk and

1030
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 7: crossing over. And that's a distraction. In fact, I think

1031
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 7: that is them perfecting their toolbox because the last time

1032
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 7: they did this it didn't work okay, and proximal origin

1033
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 7: was too obvious, and the wet market was too obvious

1034
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 7: of a lie. And now for months now we've been

1035
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 7: seeing about, you know, bird flu crossing over in these

1036
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 7: isolated instances, and that is really preparing the stage for

1037
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 7: the next pandemic and for us to believe that it

1038
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 7: was natural. It will not be a natural pandemic. It

1039
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 7: will be a man made pandemic. And that is what

1040
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 7: we should be focusing on. So watch carefully. If you

1041
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 7: continue to see a story emerge about the exact you know,

1042
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 7: genetic proof that the virus came from a lab, you

1043
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 7: are actually being distracted because that is the part that

1044
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 7: they are most confident about. They are most confident that

1045
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 7: you'll never be able to prove that. That's why Anthony

1046
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 7: Faucis stood there with so much bravado and so much

1047
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 7: confidence in front of Congress because he knew he got

1048
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 7: away with that part. This is the part they didn't

1049
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 7: get away with. They covered it up. The evidence is there,

1050
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 7: it's right in front of us. That's the crime. And

1051
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 7: the next crime is going to be ten times bigger

1052
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 7: than the last one.

1053
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 3: What a mic drop Well said.

1054
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 6: Just to put this in perspective, Jenner, Roughly, when did

1055
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,560
Speaker 6: you interview doctor Redfield?

1056
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 7: I interviewed Redfield in February of twenty twenty four. Okay,

1057
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 7: so I began working on this project in December of

1058
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 7: twenty twenty three, and I fell down the rabbit hole

1059
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 7: and began interviewing folks and had done most of my

1060
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 7: interviews by the spring the end of the spring of

1061
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 7: twenty twenty four.

1062
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 6: Okay, because I just something that rings in my head

1063
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 6: all the time is his statements about bird flu and

1064
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 6: again thinking about what we see in the news with

1065
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 6: H five N one and how Redfield seem to be

1066
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 6: very confident that bird flu is the thing that is

1067
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 6: coming for us next. I think he uses the word

1068
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:10,759
Speaker 6: premonition or something to that effect, but ultimately he sees

1069
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 6: that as the thing that's coming that is really I mean,

1070
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 6: you have that belief now as well, because we've been

1071
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 6: talking about on the show, and it does just feel

1072
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 6: like a strange set of circumstances.

1073
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 5: Statistical service with some of the little stories we've been seeing,

1074
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 5: right the coble drips and drabs of cases kind of

1075
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:28,679
Speaker 5: on the upswing.

1076
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, and even there has been an increased funding for

1077
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 7: gain of function or gain of function adjacent work on

1078
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 7: avian flus since the pandemic, and that individuals who were

1079
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:48,759
Speaker 7: in that teleconference are the most famous individuals for setting

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Speaker 7: the stage for that bird flu pandemic, that man made

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Speaker 7: catastrophe to hit the public, that individuals in the teleconference

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Speaker 7: with Fauci and the others of COVID. So you have

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Speaker 7: to ask yourself, you know, once you can see this puzzle,

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Speaker 7: because that's the part that they work so hard on,

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Speaker 7: is for you not to have the puzzle pieces. And

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Speaker 7: that's what the film does. And if you think you

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Speaker 7: know the story of COVID, you don't because I made

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Speaker 7: a documentary about it and sipped through three hundred thousand

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Speaker 7: pages of evidence and I still don't know the exact

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Speaker 7: story of COVID. And if you think you're over COVID,

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Speaker 7: that is a manipulation. You are being conditioned to think

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Speaker 7: you were over COVID so that the crime is never

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Speaker 7: solved and so that when the next one happens, you

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Speaker 7: will forget what happened this time. So when you see

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Speaker 7: people who are in a malaise and don't want to

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Speaker 7: talk about COVID, COVID's over. The pandemic's over. The pandemic

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Speaker 7: ain't over, Okay, We're all suffering from one form of

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Speaker 7: long COVID or another. And I know that sounds crazy

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Speaker 7: for all of us who think we're healthy. This virus

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Speaker 7: continues to affect our bodies years later. This virus may

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Speaker 7: have pieces of HIV in it. This virus has caused

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Speaker 7: a mass autoimmune dysregulation in the public of the planet. Okay.

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Speaker 5: Isn't it also true that doctor Redfield's specialty for his

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Speaker 5: private practice now is long COVID.

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Speaker 7: Doctor Redfield's now specializing in long COVID, and this was

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Speaker 7: I think the full circle for him. You know, he

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Speaker 7: was there in the early days and now he treats

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Speaker 7: people with long COVID. And I think again, a huge

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Speaker 7: distinction between doctor Redfield and doctor Fauci is that doctor

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Speaker 7: Redfield is a doctor, okay, and doctor Fauci is a bureaucrat.

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Speaker 7: And doctor Redfield cares about patients, and doctor Fauci is

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Speaker 7: still concerned with his power and his legacy and probably

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Speaker 7: getting final payment for his deeds which couldn't have been

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Speaker 7: issued during his time in government. He received roughly seven

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Speaker 7: million dollars in security from the United States government after

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Speaker 7: he retired annually. Okay, more than that. And long COVID

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Speaker 7: and vaccine injuries which are very similar to long COVID

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Speaker 7: will continue to haunt us for years. Some of us

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Speaker 7: will struggle with this for the rest of our lives.

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Speaker 7: Redfield and others believe they can actually reverse a lot

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Speaker 7: of this, and that it's not some complex, high cost medicine.

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Speaker 7: It's actually enhanced antihistamines and you know, anti clotting agents

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Speaker 7: and doing MRIs to learn where blood clots may be

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Speaker 7: happening in your body and essentially helping the immune system

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Speaker 7: regulate again. And you know, this is a frightening thing

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Speaker 7: for a lot of people. But while I was making

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Speaker 7: the movie, the person who I had hired to be

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Speaker 7: my main researcher dropped out within a week because she

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Speaker 7: had aggressive stage three breast cancer out of nowhere. She

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Speaker 7: was in her early thirties. One of my producers, their

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Speaker 7: mother died right before production of an aggressive lung cancer

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Speaker 7: that went from zero to stage four out of nowhere.

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Speaker 7: She went to an urgent care because she thought she

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Speaker 7: had pneumonia. She never went home. She was unconscious within

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Speaker 7: a couple weeks and dead. My partner and my company

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Speaker 7: while we were making this movie. His mother died of

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Speaker 7: a sudden heart attack, and he is confident with his

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Speaker 7: other siblings that that was caused by a blood clot

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Speaker 7: that was essentially a reaction to the vaccine or the virus.

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Speaker 7: I have two relatives right now with aggressive cancers that

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Speaker 7: got them out of nowhere right after the pandemic. Now,

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Speaker 7: if that sounds familiar to you, and you notice that

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Speaker 7: there are people in your community that are sick or

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Speaker 7: drop dead or that have cancers in ways that you

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Speaker 7: didn't noticed before, I think it's time to ask ourselves

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Speaker 7: those hard questions, and that if we think we're over COVID,

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Speaker 7: we're just fulfilling the propaganda that was fed to us,

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Speaker 7: and we're actually feeding it to each other. That was

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Speaker 7: the scariest part for me. It's not that I was

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Speaker 7: the victim of state sponsored or corporate sponsored propaganda. It

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Speaker 7: was that it was so effective that I was feeding

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Speaker 7: it to others organically, others were feeding it to me,

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Speaker 7: and that I'd be willing to have a fight at

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Speaker 7: the dinner table when the person that I was likely

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Speaker 7: defending was the United States government or a pharmaceutical company.

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Speaker 7: Think about that. Think when you fight about this and

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Speaker 7: you think it's political, think who taught you how to

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Speaker 7: feel that way and who gave you the playbook, And

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Speaker 7: think of the fact that instead of them paying for it.

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Speaker 7: You're not even being paid, you're not an influencer, you're

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Speaker 7: not carrying that message out. It's so damn effective that

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Speaker 7: we spread it amongst each other. That's how affect of

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Speaker 7: this propaganda is, is that we spread it amongst each other.

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Speaker 7: And that's like, you know, Hitler level propaganda. Okay, that's

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Speaker 7: like that's that's another level and we're all suffering from it,

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Speaker 7: and we need to wake up. This is something that democrats, leftists, progressives,

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Speaker 7: all the people who have been fighting for you know,

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Speaker 7: government reform and consumer protection, wake up. This is our

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Speaker 7: fight too. This is not just conservatives and people on

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Speaker 7: the right. In fact, the political nature of this is

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Speaker 7: the core manipulation. It's not political. It affects everyone on

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Speaker 7: the planet, and only the one percent of one percent benefit. Well,

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Speaker 7: the ninety nine point nine percent of us get harmed.

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Speaker 7: It's time to tell the truth now.

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Speaker 3: And propaganda is viral when successful propaganda only acknowledges any

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Speaker 3: ideology in such that it allows that propaganda to further communicate.

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Speaker 3: I think these are very real, very dangerous questions, and

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Speaker 3: there are questions that need to be asked a lot

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Speaker 3: of times. To your point, Jedter about the nature of

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Speaker 3: mass media communication, We the public are taught that an

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Speaker 3: answer should be simple, an answer should be deliverable within

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Speaker 3: three to five minutes. You get the answer, you feel better.

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Speaker 3: You move on to the next thing, be that celebrity scandal,

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Speaker 3: or be that to the next crisis. So we cannot

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Speaker 3: thank you enough. There is so much that we have

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Speaker 3: not been able to get to. But thankfully again, guys, yeah,

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Speaker 3: just part one right, it's a seriously thank you. You're

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Speaker 3: being so generous with your.

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Speaker 6: Time here, man, I gotta tell you. When we started rolling,

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Speaker 6: I got a message from an unknown number that just

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01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 6: says hello, And just now I got another message from

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Speaker 6: another unknown number that just says hello.

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Speaker 7: They don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: Before we get black bagged again. We want to thank

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Speaker 3: you Jenner so much, not just for thank you, mister Fauci,

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Speaker 3: but for all your additional work, and perhaps most importantly,

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Speaker 3: for continuing to spread awareness and continuing to be a

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Speaker 3: clarion call for these very difficult questions. Could you tell

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Speaker 3: our audience and everybody else who wants to learn more

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Speaker 3: where they can learn more about you and your work.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, my work exists on major platforms like Netflix,

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Speaker 7: and Amazon and Hulu and Paramount Plus. But this particular film,

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Speaker 7: the greatest way to learn about it is through our website,

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Speaker 7: and you won't find it in a lot of media

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Speaker 7: reporting right now because it's actually a tough subject for

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Speaker 7: the media because they were involved in helping to cover

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Speaker 7: it up. So I want to give credit to you, guys,

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Speaker 7: because as a purveyor of truth, as a podcast that

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Speaker 7: has listened to by many people, you are doing the

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Speaker 7: good work right now and help this story get out

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Speaker 7: because we have experienced a media blackout for almost four

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Speaker 7: weeks now. Press release went out to five thousand outlets,

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Speaker 7: and no major outlet, no international outlet, no big national

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Speaker 7: news outlet covered the story to date. And so I

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Speaker 7: want to thank you for having me. People who want

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Speaker 7: to learn about this film can go to thank you

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Speaker 7: Doctor faucimovie dot com and that all of the ways

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Speaker 7: to watch the film are there. That our social profile

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Speaker 7: on x is really the best way to stay connected.

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Speaker 7: You know, that's the only platform really allowing for a

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Speaker 7: free and open debate right now and where we have

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Speaker 7: the most presence, So you can find us on XSet.

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Speaker 7: Thank you Doctor Fauci, and you can find always to

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Speaker 7: watch this movie at thank you doctor faucimovie dot com.

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Speaker 3: What a ride, you guys. I know we've all seen

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Speaker 3: the documentary here again, as we were saying, there was

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Speaker 3: much much more to the story, but I think we

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Speaker 3: unanimously commend Jenner and his team for the research they've done.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, haven't hypen it up to some pals since we

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Speaker 5: did the interview? It really you know, I mean it's

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Speaker 5: one of those things too, where it's just like, these

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Speaker 5: are things that all of us have thought about, and

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Speaker 5: he gives so much credence to a lot of these

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Speaker 5: these narratives, it's really hard to ignore at the very least,

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Speaker 5: thinking about what some alternatives could be to the narrative

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Speaker 5: that has been sort of more or less forced down

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Speaker 5: the throat of the American people.

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Speaker 6: It does make me wonder how many people actually clicked

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Speaker 6: on this episode and have made it this far because

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Speaker 6: this is such a politically charged topic, or you know,

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Speaker 6: it was turned into such a political topic rather than

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Speaker 6: a science.

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Speaker 3: Topic, right, a narrative war.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, So I hope anybody who's still around in

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Speaker 6: hearing this right now is fully considering this stuff. Look

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Speaker 6: at it on your own. That's kind of what the

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Speaker 6: whole point of this is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I believe that we all on the show

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Speaker 3: unanimously feel the same way. And Folks, we don't have

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Speaker 3: all the answers. We definitely want to look at the

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Speaker 3: facts and objectively apply critical thinking to sensitive and heavy

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Speaker 3: subjects such as this. We can only do so with

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Speaker 3: your help, and that's why we would like to ask

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Speaker 3: you to hang out with us on email, on a

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Speaker 3: telephonic interaction, or even on the internet online.

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Speaker 5: Correct, you can find us all over the internet, all

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Speaker 5: over your platform of choice at the handle conspiracy Stuff,

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Speaker 5: where we exist on Facebook with our Facebook group Here's

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Speaker 5: where it gets crazy, on x FKA, Twitter, as well

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Speaker 5: as on YouTube where you can find video content galore

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Speaker 5: to enjoy. On Instagram and TikTok, however, we are Conspiracy Stuff.

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Speaker 6: We have a phone number if you want to call

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Speaker 3: we receive. Be well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the void

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Speaker 3: writes back. Send us the links, Send us the pictures,

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Speaker 3: the puns, the near death experience stories. That's going to

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Speaker 3: come in handy later in our third Man Syndrome episode.

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