1 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Story time the legendary Jerry. We are sitting here and 2 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: say it again. 3 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 2: But fucking do everything. 4 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: But fucking hey man new facet By. 5 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 3: Now they better know. 6 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: This is a story time with the legendary Jerry, and 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: we have a a Southern trailblazer man in so many 8 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: different ways. Man, go ahead, you know I'm gonna try. 9 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try, but I'm just gonna jump right in. 10 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 4: Man, he faced trailblazer, Georgia's own son, Trap County, Trap County, 11 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 4: mister Bubba motherfucking sparks in this bed. 12 00:00:58,280 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 3: I told them about Camera new Fair. 13 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:00,959 Speaker 1: I thought it was AP. I didn't think he was show. 14 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: I've been trying to I'm been trying to get him 15 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: on the show for a while. 16 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: It's I sold him. 17 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 5: The cap comes in like actually like that up until 18 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 5: we set the actual firm plans. 19 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: All the reasons I can't do that and. 20 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: Gotta do that, so I tell you the type of 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: person you are. You and of course Jason Brown, we can't. 22 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: But the way y'all put it together and showed up 23 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: on time, we try to be a few minutes, y'all, 24 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: y'all was on time. 25 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: They tried to the music industry. We were early. 26 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: Because I ain't think I was gonna get here for 27 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: another hour. But it's cool, man, I want to say 28 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: this man to get started on this music conversation. I 29 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: always thought, Baba that as a lyricist, you were very, 30 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: very underrated, because you really really got some slick world 31 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: play man, from the beginning to even some of the 32 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: latest stuff. You know, I said, Okay, we forgot you 33 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: got some slick ass world play man. 34 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: Dude, I do this ship man. 35 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: You think the reason you really didn't get put on 36 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: a on that I won't say a pedalstal be given 37 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: more props it is because of your skin color. 38 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 5: I think that's somewhat of a factor in that equation. 39 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 5: I think also the timing of when I dropped, you 40 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like after eminem You. 41 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying, it's kind of like I feel 42 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: like maybe like the. 43 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 5: General consensus consciousness was a little bit like a right 44 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 5: one of them got in the door. It ain't gonna 45 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 5: be too. It ain't gonna be too, you know what 46 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 5: I'm saying. So I mean, but that's where it goes. 47 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 6: I always thought it was the South because of him. 48 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 6: It was always the South didn't have, and. 49 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 5: It was so crazy to see how New York is recently, 50 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 5: you know, in terms of like, you know, being inspired 51 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 5: and influenced by other areas. It's a little it's a 52 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 5: little car made. It's a karma type deal on deal. 53 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, because I do remember the 54 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 5: times when being a Southern artist and getting played on 55 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 5: Hot ninety seven in New York. 56 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: Was that happened? 57 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 2: That was a rarity? Yeah, for sure what happened. 58 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 5: I think at the time, like I remember when Ugly 59 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 5: going to do Funk Flex's show for the first time 60 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 5: and him dropping the bombs on it you Ugly, and 61 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 5: them telling me then the Ugly had been the number 62 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 5: one song on the top seven to seven or whatever 63 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 5: for two weeks straight at that time, and that it 64 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 5: was the first Southern act to go longer than like 65 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 5: a week. I think, like outcast, Miss Jackson, maybe throw 66 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 5: the bowls lutle Chris something like that. 67 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: All. Yeah, But but as far as like. 68 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was, it was a it was a moment 69 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 5: period Ugly was but especially in New York. 70 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: Man, it hit New York by storm. 71 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: Because Ugly was huge. And this goes into once again 72 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: the South, and we talked about this home. 73 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: So I got something to say. That's all that too. 74 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: But we've can fifty years of hip hop. But we 75 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: and I've said this on a lot of different shows 76 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: and a lot of previous guests, we've controlled this narrative 77 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: at half more than half at least, right, that's a fact. 78 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: You agree. 79 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: I agree wholeheartedly. 80 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 5: I mean, and especially you talk about the last ten years, 81 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 5: it's been rather sided. 82 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: Ten or last really last one. 83 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 5: Starting with Little John, I say, no, before that. No, 84 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 5: what I'm talking about as far as just like controlling 85 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 5: like coast and coast the. 86 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: South is definitely it just keeps getting strong. 87 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 5: And that's and to me, John was when like the 88 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 5: Southern sound, the eight oh eight, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, 89 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 5: really became quintessential. 90 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: You know, like now the eight o eight is so prevalent. 91 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: And but John did between between John and and you 92 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: know and three Sings mindfit come out of the South. 93 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 5: Well, there were several other players in that, you know 94 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 5: what I'm saying, But I'm saying John was kind of 95 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 5: the face of it. I feel like as far with 96 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 5: him being an artist too. Yeah, you know, I watched 97 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 5: three six, any any discussion of I mean little John 98 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 5: sound period. 99 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: After John shot of the Juicy j Paul. I watched 100 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: over the years, with me being in this music business 101 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: for thirty years, when when when a lot of white 102 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: rappers first come out, they are definitely in tune with 103 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: the with the urban side, with the urban artists, I mean, 104 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: with the urban crowd, whether it was the Beastie Boys 105 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: at the beginning, even kid Rock, believe it or not. 106 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: But then they started kind of. 107 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: Treating back to white that exactly, they started. 108 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: Moving away from that. 109 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I know. 110 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 3: What what reason do you think that is? 111 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: Because you started off, like you said with you know, 112 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: you was more hot ninety seven high one on seven 113 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: nine here in Atlanta, and then now you were wave 114 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: from that? Why was that? 115 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 5: I go towards where the money's at, you know what 116 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,679 Speaker 5: I'm saying, and country hip hop and that whole lane 117 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 5: that I kind of like the forefather of with the 118 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 5: with the with not country rap tunes like coming from PEMPC, 119 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 5: Like that's a that's a one of the pillars or 120 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 5: foundations of what country rap became. But you know, like 121 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 5: of true country culture rapping about country culture hunting fishing, 122 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 5: and you know what I'm saying, like that's kind of 123 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 5: just far farm, that's kind of something that I'm credited. 124 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 5: And I'm always I'm hesitant to ever take credit because 125 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 5: if you start taking credit for stuff, that mean you 126 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 5: got to take the blame for stuff too. So I 127 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 5: would say, like, you know, it's more like I don't know, 128 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 5: you could say that I'm the originator or one of 129 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 5: the originators or whatever, but I just know I'll just 130 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 5: rap to myself. So I take I take responsibility for myself, 131 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 5: and if somebody gets influenced by that, you know, and 132 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 5: it's it's in a positive way, and I'm happy. But 133 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 5: as far as me, I'm no, I'm no, as fate 134 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 5: would have it, I'm no more or less. 135 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: White than it was, you know what I'm saying. 136 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 5: And it's like, I feel like white people sometimes get pressure, 137 00:06:58,560 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 5: you know, to. 138 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 2: I guess in the case of some people like M. G. 139 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 5: K and like. 140 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: Maybe the Yellowolf to some degree, I. 141 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: Think somebody else that I might go ahead my mind, 142 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: I mean. 143 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: The beasts, I think people. But they got and. 144 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: They started getting away, kid, but all the way because 145 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: it started with too short. 146 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 5: But but you may think of me like somewhat along 147 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 5: those lines. 148 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: But honestly, dude, I'm a hip hop guy. 149 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 5: Like like now I reped what I repped the way 150 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 5: I read it because in line with the spirit of 151 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 5: hip hop authenticity, Like that's what I was always believed. 152 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 5: Would you know, claim you will place it or see 153 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 5: at this table is truthfully, honestly you know, embracing and 154 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 5: embodying what you who you are, and what you come from. 155 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: You know, you study who was your influence because, like 156 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: I said a minute ago, your word play is so slick, 157 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: who was you really? 158 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: My favorite m see is Andre two thousands. 159 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 5: But but the Dungeon family is a whole you know, influenced, 160 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 5: you know, profound. 161 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: As Yeah, I mean early sure, you know the ghetto boys, 162 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. 163 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 5: But but the period of time when I came into being, 164 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 5: when I fell in love with hip hop, so to speak, 165 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 5: was at the height of West Coast domination. You know 166 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 5: what I'm saying, easy before like show easy E too short, 167 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 5: n w A. 168 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: You know that King t. 169 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 3: The Lynks, what was what was? 170 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 7: Yeah? 171 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was the Licks? 172 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 5: Yes, and uh, you know a lot of a lot 173 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 5: of Bay Area stuff and banks. You know what I'm saying, 174 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 5: It was a too short producer and artists you know 175 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 5: for a long time, bad influence. 176 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: Click rapper and yes. 177 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 3: We're gonna keep going. Mac mall Manad and Nut. 178 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: Come on, man, don't play with me. 179 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 3: Did you did you ever feel did. 180 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: Like you was like stuck in between? Well, like, all right, 181 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: I got my like you mentioned a minute ago, my country, 182 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: my white cast and I hung with and you got 183 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: the core urban black dudes. Did you ever feel like, 184 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: you know, like a mixed child, like I know cast 185 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: that was, that's mixed, and they'd be like, well. 186 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 5: Where I grew up was, you know, Lagrange, Georgia, Truth County. 187 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 5: It was you know, real country, but it was, but 188 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 5: although not as country as something might. 189 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 2: Try to type cast. 190 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, and especially today, you know 191 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 5: what I'm saying, like it's gang banged out down there there. 192 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying in True County absolutely murder 193 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 5: every two weeks, you know what I'm saying, Like multiple 194 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 5: blood sets from what I hear. 195 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. 196 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, not active in that by any stretch at this point. 197 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 5: But you know, actually it's sad just to know that, 198 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 5: you know, we grew up fighting in the hands up it. 199 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 2: But you know, to think that. 200 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 5: That the gun play has become such a such common place, 201 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 5: it's it's actually very disheartening to me. But I'm just 202 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 5: making a point, you know. But it was fifty fifty white, 203 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Really outside of that, that 204 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 5: small one that owned pretty much everything nobody really had. 205 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: Cosm of America, yeah, I. 206 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 5: Mean, well the South in particular, because one thing about 207 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 5: the South is, if you think about it, every major 208 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 5: city in America, you know, there's a there's a pretty 209 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 5: big black population, with the exception of like Seattle, you know, 210 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 5: Seattle and Portland. 211 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: I think specific Northwest, Yeah, but anywhere in the South, north, Midwest. 212 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 5: But even on the West coast, like like in the 213 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 5: urban areas black. But you go out, you go hour 214 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 5: outside of of Minneapolis, you go hour outside of uh 215 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 5: uh Salt Lakes kids. 216 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, It's straight crackerdom, you know 217 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And but the difference is in the South, 218 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: even when you go of the country, it's still black. 219 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 6: So did you see Confederate flags waving around? 220 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: Of course, speaking of that man hold on. Not to 221 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: cut you off, man, You know, the rumor was out 222 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: there for a while. When I first met you, everybody 223 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: in the office was like, you know, you know, Bubba, 224 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: it was either your dad or Brandam with clam and 225 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: I was like, hu, that's what. 226 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 3: And I never as much like to see you in 227 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 3: the purple Reverend. I was never. 228 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: Of course, I ain't gonna ask you ship like that. 229 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 2: But was that true? It was your granddad. 230 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 5: I have some family members, you know, going on back 231 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 5: down the line that were involved in in something like that. Yeah, 232 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 5: for sure, But I didn't have nothing to do with that, 233 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. But all I know is 234 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 5: that I couldn't be my spirit and the life that 235 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 5: I've lived couldn't be any further, you know. And and 236 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 5: to be honest with you, like, I think it's proof 237 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 5: positive that there is change incurring in this country where 238 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 5: you talk about two generations removed from that you got. 239 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: Me, you know, And was he alive to see your no. 240 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: Uh, nineteen ninety six passed away and uh And. 241 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 5: Honestly, I think he's his heart would have would yet, 242 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 5: you know, because I saw with my my parents, with 243 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 5: other people in my family. You know what I'm saying, 244 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 5: because I wasn't gonna have it, but one way there 245 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 5: was no compromise, you know with me and that and 246 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 5: especially as as I continue to grow in life and 247 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 5: and this music and culture which you know, created and 248 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 5: started by black and brown people in the Bronx, New 249 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 5: York in the nineteen seventies, like has given me so much, 250 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 5: you know in life. 251 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: Uh took me all around the world. 252 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Maybe Minty MINTI big as 253 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 5: a dollar. Shit what I'm saying, like I could, I 254 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 5: just ain't that fake? 255 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 6: Taking it to childhood, you know, some kids were had 256 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 6: pastors or some or kids had to like some children 257 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 6: said they hid their tapes under the you know, under 258 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 6: the bed. 259 00:12:58,280 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 3: Did were you that type of child? 260 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: Or did they embraced you listening to hip hop publish? 261 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 5: To be honest with you, Uh, music wasn't like at 262 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 5: the forefront of the consciousness of the house, you know. 263 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: Now, I did come from a pretty. 264 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 5: Musically diverse Like I had one of my older brothers, 265 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 5: my oldest brother, who was a half brother and lived 266 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 5: actually he grew up in Marietta. But uh, it was 267 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 5: my dad's son from his first marriage. And uh he 268 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 5: was a huge parliament George Clinton. You know what I'm saying, 269 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 5: like going to concerts cameo, you know what I'm saying. 270 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 5: And then my other brother, Russ, who was my mom's 271 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 5: son from a previous marriage. I'm the only child my 272 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 5: parents had together. Russ was a heavy metal fan like 273 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 5: his favorite man of all time, you know, yeah, love 274 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 5: traditional country like George Jones his favorite, you know, like 275 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 5: person ever you know what I'm saying, And that My 276 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 5: mama just liked to dance now, so she like anything 277 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 5: up tempon with a beat. So I probably got a 278 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 5: little bit of that sense of rhythm from my mom. 279 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 5: But yeah, when I heard somebody say, hey. 280 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 2: We want some puzz dude, it was just like, what 281 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 2: the fuck is that? When I heard like brass. 282 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 5: Monkey, when I heard Boys in the Hook, the boys 283 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 5: in the hood always, it was just like what the 284 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 5: eight away kick drawn. 285 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: But just also that raw expression. 286 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 5: I just knew, like I knew not only was I 287 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 5: head over heels in love with it, but also I 288 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 5: knew that it was gonna it was gonna impact my 289 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 5: life in a profound way. 290 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, life is to. 291 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: I had to freaky tails. 292 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: Man too Short was man. 293 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 5: Him and Ice Cube were my two my first two 294 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 5: favorite rappers, you know what I'm saying. 295 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: And you heard Ice QB coming out that n W 296 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: who the yeah, you know? 297 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 5: And I was the guy walking around True County High School, 298 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 5: you know, uh my tenth grade year reading the Malcolm 299 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 5: X book. 300 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 3: Shout he was living in the camp. 301 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: Can fruit of Islam. 302 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like like, so, I it's. 303 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 2: Just my spirit was always. 304 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 6: Did it influence the attire like as a kid where 305 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 6: you still. 306 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 5: I mean I still rock basically like how I dressed today, 307 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like I tracked suits, you 308 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, But I wouldn't say I wasn't 309 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 5: wearing cross colors and well I never I never knew 310 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 5: even a store where you could buy stuff like that, 311 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. 312 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 2: So I shopped it. 313 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: Like I bet you ain't take the autobiophys around your 314 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: granddad when he was like I would have. 315 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 5: I might have taken a meeting for it, you know 316 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 5: what I'm saying. But I would have done it because 317 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 5: I was just that kind of kid, you know what 318 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 5: I'm saying. 319 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: I was that kind of person. 320 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 5: For the jump like there's a lot of things that 321 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 5: I witnessed, you know what I'm saying, Like that. 322 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: People don't realize from the side, because my daddy used 323 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: to always say he was born and raised in Memphis, 324 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: and he used to just say, hey, man, you think 325 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: about how he came up. I'm probably saying to your granddaddy. 326 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: Nineteen fifties sixties. 327 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, my father was born in nineteen forty, so think 328 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 2: of it like that. 329 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: My dadd was born in thirty eight. 330 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, so he never neither my mother or father ever 331 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,119 Speaker 5: went to integrated schools. 332 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: My mother grew up in the white folks housing projects. 333 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 5: In open like Alabama. You know what I'm saying, Like 334 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 5: segregated housing projects, you know what I'm saying. So that's 335 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 5: the world they came from. You know, like neither neither 336 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 5: of my parents especially, but nobody in my family just 337 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 5: was inherently evil, you know what I'm. 338 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: Saying, Like it's just you'd be surprised. 339 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 5: It's just like they talk about people from in Nazi Germany, right, 340 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 5: like how it happened slowly and gradually, like the indoctrination 341 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 5: into like you know, Hitler Nazism and all that. You 342 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, And like I said, I'm not 343 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 5: in any means trying to make lighter or write an 344 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 5: excuse for anybody anything if you if you committed evil atrocity. 345 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 5: It just is what it is, you know what I'm 346 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 5: saying right now and burned hell. But it's I think 347 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 5: a lot of people like the idea of racism or 348 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 5: or or oppression of people. 349 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 2: It was just. 350 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 5: I think a lot of people in the South just 351 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 5: kind of looked they were conditioned to think separate, you 352 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, like segregation more like maybe. 353 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 3: Like you said, an idea of separate but equal. 354 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, It's like, yeah. 355 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: Always you always get shipped on, no matter black or white, 356 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: poor folks. 357 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 2: That's true. 358 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: And like you just said, your mama grew up in 359 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: the projects and open like Alabama, and it was black 360 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: folks that that that the society made it feel like 361 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: that you were better than that. 362 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 2: Black project was right across, right across. 363 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 5: Its basically just one big project, one big separateth. 364 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: H. 365 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 2: But uh, you know, and you think about that those 366 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: old picture. 367 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 7: Of the the colors only water fountain and the whites 368 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 7: only water fountain, that's and that's that's the problem with 369 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 7: the whole idea of separate but equal, you know what 370 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 7: I'm saying, like and uh, you. 371 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: Know, but what's unique about the American experience. 372 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 5: And not to you know, go too far down this street, 373 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 5: but I think it's important that it's touched on, is 374 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 5: if you look around the world, the history of the 375 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 5: entire world, you'd be hard pressed to find and I 376 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 5: don't think you could find a group of people from 377 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 5: a geographic location that weren't enslaved at. 378 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 2: Some point, you know what I'm saying. And the difference 379 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 2: what's unique about the American experience, I think is the 380 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 2: fact that this is the first. 381 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 5: Time in the history of the world, as far as 382 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 5: we know, based. 383 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 2: On the most of what we've been told, that. 384 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 5: The slaves were free, the people that had been enslave 385 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 5: were freed, and then attempting to integrate them back into society. 386 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 2: Going back through history, it was pretty much either you know, you. 387 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 5: Stayed enslaved until you overthrew the people that you know 388 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 5: had enslaved you, and then you enslaved them. But in 389 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 5: the American experience, for the first time, the slaves were freed. 390 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: In theory, you know, what I'm saying. 391 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 5: And then you attempt to integrate, You attempt to integrate 392 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 5: the people that had been enslaved back into the society, 393 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 5: and that's that's not going to be an easy process, you. 394 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying, no matter how. 395 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: You s's why I look at what Haiti did and 396 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: we getting way off the music. But it's great having 397 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: this dialogue. You look at what Haiti did in eighteen 398 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: or four to overthrow the French. Yeah, that's own, and 399 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: be like, we we establishing our independence with our own, 400 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: even though France fucked them over the years. With all 401 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: that payback and the beings and beings, that's a whole 402 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: another We're gonna, we're gonna get back to this music. 403 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 3: You jumped off. 404 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: The you you you came out the rip Man with a. 405 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 2: Gold album, platinum for the school. 406 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, hold on, it's that damn Wikipedia page. 407 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: We can't. 408 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: I ain't going Wikipedia. I just in my mind I 409 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: remember Plat a replacement for Sorry, because I have a 410 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: lot of respect for your plant. But but yeah, it 411 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: was with you linking up with Timbo. Tim how did 412 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: that whole partnership come about with you and Beat King. 413 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 5: Beat Club Club it was through Jimmy Ivean. Basically, I 414 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 5: had been signed to Interscope for about eight months when 415 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 5: he got me with Tim and a lot of people 416 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 5: don't know that's actually how e and then was signed 417 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 5: to Interscope. You know, there was a story of you know, 418 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 5: that was put in place, and I know I was 419 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 5: told that it went differently than than him rapping and 420 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 5: doctor Drake call up the radio station, and from from 421 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 5: what I understand, you know, behind the scenes, what I 422 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 5: was told that that story is quite quite cap and 423 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 5: uh and basically like uh, Dean Gischlinger was a kid 424 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 5: that was Jimmy Ivy's secretary basically or assistant or whatever, 425 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 5: and he found him in them and believed in him, like, 426 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 5: you know, very strongly and brought him out to l A, 427 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 5: got him to deal with Interscope, and then you know, 428 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 5: they started the process then of trying to get you know, 429 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,959 Speaker 5: Drake to embrace it. And it was kind of similar 430 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 5: with me because uh, Jimmy kind of learned. You know 431 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 5: what I'm saying, you gotta give Jimmy. I don't think 432 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 5: it's even a question. The most bad ass uh record 433 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 5: mand this. 434 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 2: About him. 435 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 3: Jimmy is a bad and they're and they're both. 436 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 5: Bad too when you talk about all genres across the board. 437 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 5: But man, it's it's tough to match up with those numbers. 438 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 5: Interscope Records and. 439 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: Jimmy, he's a very heavy producer driven, yes, and they 440 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: both were in music. It came from it, so he 441 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: had Yeah, He's like, you. 442 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 2: Got to get to that. So he signed me. 443 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 5: He believed that, you know what I'm saying, Jimmy Yeah, 444 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 5: very pre Tim. Like I said, this is near a 445 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,239 Speaker 5: year before Tim comes into the picture. Tim doesn't even 446 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 5: have a deal with Interscope. The first person that that 447 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 5: Jimmy tries to. 448 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: Put me with Swiss Beats. 449 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: Wow. 450 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: So I go in the studio Swiss Beats. 451 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 5: He's hoping we connected that way, and we didn't. 452 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: Man much love to Swisch. 453 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, we made a couple of cool records, and I 454 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 5: think culturally he you know, quite it just didn't quite 455 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 5: lock up. But you know, we did a couple of 456 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 5: cool records and nothing spectacular. And then I was like, well, 457 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 5: I gave you one. I tried, you know, and earnest, 458 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 5: you know, to make that situation work. And what I 459 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 5: had asked for from the jump is I wanted to 460 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 5: be organized noise. 461 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. 462 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 3: They had just did that deal over there, but that deal, 463 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. 464 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 2: And so, Yeah, it was in the. 465 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: In the in the and I don't think it ended 466 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: on good time. 467 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 5: It didn't necessarily Yeah and so and but he's still 468 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 5: the first call he made. The Rico Waite after the 469 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 5: conclusion of that deal some months later, was on my behalf. Yeah, 470 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 5: and I had met Rico two years prior in Athens 471 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 5: at Ah it was supposed to be a cool breeze 472 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 5: and a little wheel open up for eight bale JG Balj. Yeah, 473 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 5: but and J didn't show up, so it was just 474 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 5: but Riq was on stage and I'm in the crowd, 475 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 5: and he put the mic in my face and I said, 476 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 5: white folks, white things. 477 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 3: Because I had always heard. 478 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 5: Like gaining the love and acceptance of organized noise in 479 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 5: the Dungeon family was something very near and dear to 480 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 5: my heart being a Georgia boyfriend, one just loving them 481 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 5: actually for one, being a Georgia boy for two. 482 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 2: And third because I'd always heard. 483 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 5: That Rico Wade had said he didn't think white people 484 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 5: should be MCing, you know, what I'm saying. 485 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 2: Like now, I don't think he ever said that. 486 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 5: He wasn't real far from at that time from thinking that, 487 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. But anyhow, so that's why 488 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 5: I sprang white folks white things. And then I run 489 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 5: behind backstage. I run up on him, not like in 490 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 5: no way like I'm gonna do nothing, but I was like, man, I. 491 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,479 Speaker 2: Heard that you. Uh, this is two years before I'm 492 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 2: signed in. 493 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 5: I said, I heard that you said white boy should 494 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 5: be rapping, but you're gonna fuck with me. 495 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 2: I just want you to know because. 496 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 5: I'm a George boy, I'm ripping this shit for real, 497 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 5: and blah blah blah blah blah. He's like, well, you 498 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 5: just keep it like that, You're gonna be straight up 499 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 5: or whatever. And then two years ago Jimmy makes Two 500 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 5: years later, Jimmy makes the call to him and then 501 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 5: gives me his normber. I call him and I said 502 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 5: to me, I said, Yo. 503 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 3: This is white folks white day. He said from Uga. 504 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 5: He said, well, goddamn white folks, white thing do he 505 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 5: remembered manifest Yeah. 506 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 2: No doubt. 507 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 5: And so I used a lot of girls and say 508 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 5: I was the white member of the dungeon fire. I 509 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 5: used to literally a lot of girls would be like 510 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 5: I used to tell girls all that kind. 511 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: Of stuff, but that that's my man for sure. Don't 512 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 2: let me get like a laminate from a tour. So yeah, 513 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 2: for sure. 514 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,719 Speaker 5: So Jimmy Sole so going back, Yeah, let me make 515 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 5: sure I land ship now all right? 516 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: Then? Uh so we go. I go in with Rico, 517 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 2: and I. 518 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 5: Knew how important it was regardless for me to connect 519 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 5: with them, and and me and Rico started forming a 520 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 5: bond that lasts endures to this day. 521 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 2: Man, that's one of the. 522 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: Five Day Party. 523 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the five or six people. 524 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 5: Uh, most genuine and the doury relationships that I made 525 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 5: in music period. 526 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 2: You know. 527 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 5: It was with Rico way for sure and Sleepy and 528 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 5: uh and so we didn't necessarily couple O hit, you 529 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So we're still looking for that, 530 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 5: tried a couple other things. 531 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 2: Then he calls me one night. 532 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 5: He says, I'm about to have dinner with this guy. 533 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 5: Because at the time, and I didn't appreciate it. I 534 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 5: took it for granted because I was new and green 535 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 5: as hell. But I was talking to Jimmy. I mean 536 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 5: three nights, three days a week on the phone, like 537 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like just literally anytime I 538 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 5: call it. 539 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 2: He like, you call me any time. 540 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 5: And we're brainstorming, actively brainstorming, trying to figure out. 541 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 2: The next move, just what we need to do to 542 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,959 Speaker 2: get this shit right, you know what I'm saying. And uh, 543 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 2: because he believed in it like that. 544 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 5: And it's not like we were having this conversation where 545 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 5: it was just directly stated that like, man, we need 546 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 5: to find a black, incredible black producer. But you know, 547 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 5: it was kind of unspoken. I knew, I knew what 548 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 5: he was very comfortable with that formula and why wouldn't 549 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 5: you be? And so he calls me one night he says, 550 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 5: I'm having dinner with this guy tonight, Timberland, I want 551 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 5: to play any music because he was basically asked for 552 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 5: my permission like he needed it or something. And h 553 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 5: I said, Gimmy, that would be perfect period. I said, man, 554 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 5: that would be you we're familiar with. Hell yeah, I'll 555 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 5: tell you what. Just set the stage for the time 556 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 5: period this is right around this time is like when 557 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 5: I'm trying to think which which album, which album it 558 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 5: was of Alias that was just dropping. 559 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 2: Are are you that somebody was we need a resolution? 560 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 5: That song was just dropping and we were easing up 561 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 5: on It's about to be get your freak on time, 562 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 5: all right. 563 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: So that's that's the period when this is happening. 564 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm very very Timberland Big Pimpot had come out, 565 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 5: you know, like tons of stuff and Timberling and Mago 566 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 5: those they were crazy, you know what I'm saying, like 567 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 5: and rest the peace of Goo. But but uh, and 568 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 5: so he played tim my music that night. The next day, 569 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 5: I was on the flight going to l A. And 570 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 5: the way the story goes is Tim played him Pete 571 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 5: Pablo and he plays, uh, Tim, but Tim places pet 572 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 5: Pablo first, and then he's like, well let me play 573 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 5: this guy, and Tim goes. The way the legend goes, 574 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 5: that's what I need is a N word like. 575 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: That right there. You know what I'm saying. 576 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 5: She was like, and so he's like, he's like producing, 577 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 5: I don't believe it. And so in my country, so 578 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 5: Tim didn't know, he didn't know you was, he didn't 579 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 5: know I. 580 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: Was down like. 581 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 5: Like lagrange George. 582 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 3: Because that that that's how George's a little bit more. 583 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 5: It is I mean, you know, just that that country 584 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 5: country is not synonymous with uh, it doesn't mean not black, 585 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. I've been trying to get 586 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 5: that point across for twenty plus years. 587 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: So Tim, then, when you want, when you walked into 588 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: l A the LST meeting. 589 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 5: He he was kind of I think he was a 590 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 5: little disappointed, you know what I'm saying. 591 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 2: I was a little. 592 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 5: But you look at in the handsome department at the time, 593 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. But but but I did not 594 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 5: lacking confidence and I did not and I wasn't scared. 595 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: That's good, you know what I'm saying. So that's good, 596 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 2: and so h we started working. 597 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 5: Man it uh took us about two weeks to do 598 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 5: this because I put out the independent release album that 599 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 5: we released that you know, moved units and got the 600 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 5: attention to interscope, was called Dark Days, Bright Nights and 601 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 5: did Tim produce seven new songs. 602 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 2: We RepA put it out, you know, and that was 603 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 2: my first formula. 604 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 5: Ugly was so impactful, you know, because people often like 605 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 5: by the numbers. 606 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 2: This new Booty was a bigger song than Ugly. 607 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 5: But to have lived through both of those experiences, there 608 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 5: is it doesn't even compare the impact, the cultural significance 609 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 5: and impact that Ugly had. And let me tell you 610 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 5: this video was Ugly was the first song by a 611 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 5: white rapper to go number one in urban radio. 612 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 2: Ever. You know, urban radio was a very a strong 613 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. 614 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: It's funny. It's still funny though. 615 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 5: And and you know they were not and rightfully so 616 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 5: when the first so based on you know, the historical Yeah, 617 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 5: things that happened, you know what I'm saying, Like they 618 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 5: didn't just developed this this stance, you know, by chance. 619 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Some real bullsh it happened, 620 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 2: you know. 621 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: But one thing that I know on the business side, 622 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: and to cut you off, is that in the scope 623 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: they radio department. 624 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 5: Step Johnson shout out to step Johnson, Coachingllo, Brenda Romain. 625 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was incredible. 626 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: They was. They was real deal. 627 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 6: I remember on one O six in Park You're like 628 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 6: it was I was like, this is the machine behind this. 629 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: They put the machine behind Ugly. 630 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 5: And uh it was it going number one and urban 631 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 5: radio that was very significant, you know historically, but because 632 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 5: them didn't have a number one urban radio wrec but 633 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 5: it wasn't until a year later we Lose yourself. That 634 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 5: was the first you know, urban radio you know, even 635 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 5: a factor. Really if you think about a lot of 636 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 5: his singles weren't really you know, uh or just urban 637 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 5: radio type songs either. You know, it had to have. 638 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 6: A search change that in Wikipeda that wasn't. 639 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot of stuffy. 640 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that. You and Eminem in the same build. 641 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 2: You know, when. 642 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 5: People tried to cause the first label to offer me 643 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 5: was was Interscope, and they didn't offer much money, you know, comparatively, 644 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 5: because then once people heard that they were offering, then 645 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,239 Speaker 5: I met with every label in the game, and they 646 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 5: all like dream Works offered a huge deal. 647 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 3: Dream Works over the pay. I wanted to sign. 648 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 5: Well whoever we met with that day basically, and so 649 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 5: we met. 650 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: But organized noise then. 651 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 5: But all right, so whoever we met with I was 652 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 5: most hyped about, from Loud to death Jam to uh 653 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 5: Sony whatever, you know what I'm saying. But and they 654 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 5: would all tell me, they say, you know, Jimmy, if 655 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 5: you signed with Jimmy, he just wants to sign you 656 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 5: so he can shelf you so to protect Eminem, and. 657 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 2: It just didn't. 658 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 5: It was it didn't, but I just didn't believe it. 659 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 5: I was like, I think it just shows that they know. 660 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 2: What they're doing and they know how to do it, 661 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So to me, it's a 662 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 2: plus that Eminem's over there. Plus I want to play 663 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: for the Yankees or LA Lakers. You know what I'm saying. 664 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 2: I don't. 665 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 3: I don't want you continue to feel that way. 666 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: A couple of years later, once M Blue, did you 667 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: feel like that some of the lot of the focus 668 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: was shipping. 669 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 3: We got two white rappers before I got there. 670 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So we're talking. 671 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 5: I signed with two years later, so he was already 672 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 5: Eminem at that time. 673 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: It is established. 674 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but but I don't know. 675 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 5: I just I've never liked in confidence, you know what 676 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 5: I'm saying, And so I believed and I. 677 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: Connected with Jimmy in a real way. 678 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 5: So anyway, we hook up with Timberland, we're in the building, 679 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 5: we're doing our thing, and uh they fire off that 680 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 5: that big cannon, ugly you know, a huge, huge song. 681 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 5: But the issue was I didn't have they really dropped 682 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 5: the ball. From an A and R standpoint, with my project. 683 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 5: Because I was not a performer. They took it for 684 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 5: granted because mdem was. I probably had some strengths that 685 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 5: maybe he was kind of short on, you know, I 686 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 5: think just interviews and stuff like that, I was. I 687 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 5: was pretty polished naturally, just in that area. But when 688 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 5: it came to on stage performance, like my third and 689 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 5: fourth times ever performing on stage period, not big shows. 690 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 2: I'm talking about period. 691 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 5: Being on stage was one O six and part into 692 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 5: big stage. Yeah, and I was scared to death and 693 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 5: it shows. 694 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 3: Got to go back and pull out I know it somewhere. 695 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 5: And so all right, So the big talk was all 696 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 5: right when and on Vlad I had talked about this 697 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 5: and it kind of blew up because of the way 698 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 5: they packaged the you know, the little segments or whatever. 699 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 3: It was like Bubba Sparks since he fell short to 700 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 3: be to live up to. 701 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 2: Eminem and everybody was like, we wouldn't him. 702 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,760 Speaker 3: And then also said like there's a problem. 703 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 2: Why did you try to be Just shut up? 704 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like, basically, what I'm talking 705 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 5: about when I say that is that we were in 706 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 5: the same building and you have to if you weren't 707 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 5: living through the experience of being a hip hop fan 708 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 5: in two thousand and one, and shut up. 709 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 710 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 5: Old exactly, but because what what what it relates to 711 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 5: is the fact that we were in the same building 712 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 5: Doctor Dre and Eminem, Bubba Sparks and Timberland of course, 713 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 5: where there's you know, friendly albeit you know competitiveness, and 714 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 5: also you know, because my first album or his first 715 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 5: album has sold three hundred and fifty thousand the first 716 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 5: week it came out, all right. Then my albums getting 717 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 5: ready to drop, and we shipped seven hundred thousand units, 718 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 5: all right. So I was projecting to sell between three 719 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 5: fifty and four hundred, all right. And I remember talking 720 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 5: to at the time he was one of my co editors, 721 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 5: Todd Mosquwitz, and him saying, I think you're gonna do 722 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 5: three seventy five or three eighty. I think you're gonna 723 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,439 Speaker 5: beat him, like you're gonna beat what. 724 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: He did first week. 725 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, And so you know, I'm just living a I'm 726 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 5: just out of my mind all the time anyway, because 727 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 5: say what you want, bitch. It was about a two 728 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 5: month period in two thousand and one where there weren't 729 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 5: a lot bigger than bub sparks in the music period, 730 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, with more buzz and so forth. 731 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 5: So it was what it was. And uh, but. 732 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 2: Then when when the album actually dropped. 733 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 5: I did, like two hundred thousand, That's what I thought. 734 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 5: And it was a that sounds like a great number, 735 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, which it. 736 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 2: Is they that today, but at. 737 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 5: That time, especially in that building, it was kind of 738 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 5: it was different. Man. 739 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 2: It was just you know, that's what you really realized. 740 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 2: You were playing for the Yankees, you know what I'm saying. 741 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 6: There was a time when you even brought I remember 742 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 6: in public here. I used to read the source double 743 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 6: xcel and you said, fact, Joe came up to you 744 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 6: and sit. 745 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 3: All the show money. 746 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 6: You can now he was at a point like I 747 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 6: got this whatever. 748 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 2: That's cool that you remember that. 749 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 6: But he was getting fifteen ks show then, yeah. 750 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,919 Speaker 5: Something like that, and and basically he was like, get 751 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 5: this show money while you can. 752 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 2: And I said, I gave. 753 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 5: Him the lip service of saying like you know, yeah, yeah, man, 754 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 5: you're right, man, thank you for saying that, you know 755 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 5: what I'm saying. 756 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 2: But in reality, I'm thinking, I don't know what. 757 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 3: I'm getting this for. 758 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 5: You ain't sure enough that that show money slowed up? 759 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,280 Speaker 5: I saw it slow up. And then two years later 760 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 5: at Cheeky, I mean, I'm in a limo and green Bay, Wisconsin, 761 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 5: getting picked up at the airport to go do a 762 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 5: radio show in Green Bay, and Cheeky's in the limo 763 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,280 Speaker 5: and I looked a we're talking and kind of building 764 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 5: and I give him science that show. 765 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 2: The same. 766 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 3: He gave. 767 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 2: He was like that, but. 768 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 3: My white boy, try you need to book that show. 769 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 2: Comesole. But yeah, man, and that was funny to me. 770 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, because I paid it for it. 771 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 2: I wonder s anybody he had that talk with. 772 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure. Story Time with the Legendary Jerry 773 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:39,280 Speaker 1: isposted by me the one and only Jerry Clark. Music 774 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: has been provided by July, the producer. If you haven't already, 775 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: please please make sure you subscribe to story Time with 776 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: the Legendary Jerry on YouTube and wherever you listen to podcasts, 777 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,240 Speaker 1: and make sure you follow us on all social media 778 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: platforms at the Legendary Jerry Podcast. 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