WEBVTT - The Disappearance of Flight MH370, Part I

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<v Speaker 1>sketch Fest dot com. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know,

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<v Speaker 1>a production of My Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark's Charles W.

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Bryant. There's Jerry over there, and this is Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you Should Know about. One of the most interesting mysteries

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<v Speaker 1>in modern times. Yeah, like it's really tough to get across.

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<v Speaker 1>What a mystery. The Missing Airliner MH three seventy is

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<v Speaker 1>Malaysian Airlines Flight three seventy. Yeah, and this is uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be a two parter because it's pretty robust,

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<v Speaker 1>and boy, hats off to the grabster. He really put

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<v Speaker 1>together a lot of great research for this one. He did.

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<v Speaker 1>I also want to give a huge shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>one of my journalistic heroes, William Langwish. He wrote something

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<v Speaker 1>he writes in the Atlantic, but he's not just an

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<v Speaker 1>Atlantic writer. Um. He wrote what really happened to Malaysia's

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<v Speaker 1>missing airplane, big old long article on it. And this

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<v Speaker 1>guy is an aviation expert to begin with, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>also if you ever read a Tom wolf book or

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<v Speaker 1>article or whatever, he has a really great knack for

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<v Speaker 1>making you feel like you're there in the action. But

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<v Speaker 1>then he also has a knack for making you step

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<v Speaker 1>back and think, how does Tom Wolfe know all this? Was?

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<v Speaker 1>He there? William Languish is the same way, and I

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<v Speaker 1>will I will go ahead and recommend that you not,

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<v Speaker 1>unless you are a very courageous person, read any of

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<v Speaker 1>his work, especially the stuff about airline disasters, any time

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<v Speaker 1>around when you're flying, because he puts you in that

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<v Speaker 1>plane when it's going down or whatever. Um, he's really

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<v Speaker 1>really good at it. So I recommend basically anything lang

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<v Speaker 1>Watch has written go read. It's worth it for sure. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think this coupled with um the brief times

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<v Speaker 1>that we've touched on this kind of thing in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it was D. B. Cooper or Bermuda triangle, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's something about aviation disasters and mysteries that are really

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<v Speaker 1>intriguing to me. And for airline forensics, it's all ri

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<v Speaker 1>just super super interesting. It is. So you talked about

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<v Speaker 1>airline forensics and and that kind of stuff. This is

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<v Speaker 1>lousy with it. But the reason I was saying why

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<v Speaker 1>it's tough to overstate, like what a mystery image three seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the only airliner that has considered disappeared vanished. They

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<v Speaker 1>know where all the other ones are, they know what

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<v Speaker 1>happened to all the other ones. It's the only major

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<v Speaker 1>one that is just where the official investigation said we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Yeah, I mean, and you know in part

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<v Speaker 1>two will get to a pretty good well, actually, I

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<v Speaker 1>think the leading theory comes in this episode, but we

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<v Speaker 1>kind of think we know. But it's that thing where

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<v Speaker 1>you like, you can't definitively say yeah. You can't say where,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can't say why. Um, yeah, and that then

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<v Speaker 1>the y is and the where we're both really confounding. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason why air travel in the twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>century is way safer than auto travel is because anytime

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<v Speaker 1>an airliner goes down, everyone in the international community comes

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<v Speaker 1>together investigates it. They do so openly. The airline um

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<v Speaker 1>that the airplane manufacturer, the um, everyone involved is expected

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<v Speaker 1>to like tell the truth and you get it out

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<v Speaker 1>there and you figure out what went wrong, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you make things safer, and then that makes air air

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<v Speaker 1>travel safer for everybody. They couldn't do this for all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of reasons m Age three seventy and so it's

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<v Speaker 1>a huge failing um among the the international community, not

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<v Speaker 1>not for lack of trying, but because it's just an

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<v Speaker 1>asterisk out there. It's the only one. Yeah. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>why airplanes don't crash as much anymore. I mean, growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like it was every other week or anything,

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<v Speaker 1>but I used to hear about airline crashes enough to

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<v Speaker 1>where it gave you pause. Uh, And you just don't

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<v Speaker 1>hear about it much anymore. It's true. It's still out

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<v Speaker 1>there for sure. Yeah, but there they seem much more

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<v Speaker 1>rare than they used to be, kind of like sky jackings.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll do our best to uh put you in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the plane, in the passenger seat. Yeah, can

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<v Speaker 1>we at least be in business class? Buckle sure? Okay sure,

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<v Speaker 1>We're about to say a buckle up. Yeah, okay, buckle up,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're going to take off on March eighth, two

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<v Speaker 1>thou fourteen in Kuala Lumpur. It's the very beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>March eighth. UM. The takeoff schedule for Malaysian Airlines Flight

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<v Speaker 1>three seven and DY from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing was

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<v Speaker 1>scheduled for twelve thirty five am. That's right. We're in

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<v Speaker 1>a Boeing seven seven seven Dash two er and there

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<v Speaker 1>are two hundred and twenty seven fellow passengers aboard twelve

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<v Speaker 1>flight crew. It's a lot of people, almost about two

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<v Speaker 1>thirds of the passengers or Chinese nationals. I believe there's

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of other people from other countries, but for

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<v Speaker 1>the bulk of the people on the plane, we're from

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<v Speaker 1>China and um it's a late night flight. It's expected

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<v Speaker 1>to arrive in Beijing at about six o'clock six thirty

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<v Speaker 1>in Beijing time, and it's gonna fly over the South

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<v Speaker 1>China Sea, UM, over the Gulf of Thailand, through Laos, Vietnam,

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<v Speaker 1>and then uh into China to arrive at Beijing. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't actually take off at twelve thirty five. They

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<v Speaker 1>took off at twelve forty two. Not too shabby, seven minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not like sitting there rocking in my seat like

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<v Speaker 1>let's go. Yeah, yeah, that might not have even noticed.

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<v Speaker 1>And UM they take off and it flies up to

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen thousand feet and the air traffic control center at

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<v Speaker 1>Kuala Lumpur says, hey, you guys are cleared for UM

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<v Speaker 1>to to go up to thirty five thousand feet, which

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<v Speaker 1>is cruising altitude for this flight. I think that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And at this point, at eighteen thousand, they switched from

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<v Speaker 1>the airport's air traffic to Kuala Lampur Area Control Center.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, the way, the reason we're mentioning all

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<v Speaker 1>these details is because it turns out they're very important,

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<v Speaker 1>very important. So these are all key. Keep rewinding fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seconds to get every single detail, okay, because you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna need them for the big finish. So four minutes later,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, they were cleared to go to thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand talking about fifteen minutes. Uh, And it's here

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<v Speaker 1>where Captain Zahari and there were two people on board

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<v Speaker 1>flying this plane. Captain Zahari and uh, what was the

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<v Speaker 1>other gentleman's name, First Officer Farik abdual Humid and Upton

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<v Speaker 1>Zahari Ahmad Shaw is piloting the plane, UM, first Officer Hamid.

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<v Speaker 1>This is his last training flight. After this he will

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<v Speaker 1>be fully certified to fly Boeing seven seventy seven, which

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a commercial airline pilot, that's pretty much the

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<v Speaker 1>peak right there. Yeah, and that's important too because one

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<v Speaker 1>of them is a very experienced pilot in his fifties. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The other one is a brand new kind of greenhorn,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's going to factor in for sure. So uh,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, it took about fifteen minutes to get

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<v Speaker 1>to thirty five thousand feet. And this is when UM,

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<v Speaker 1>the lead pilot radios that Kuala Lampoor Control Center says

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<v Speaker 1>we're at thirty five thou feet. Then seven minutes later

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<v Speaker 1>he radios again says, by the way, we're sta in.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not me doing him. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>he sounded like. There you go, this is Captain Zohari. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody sounds like Chuck Yeager. Yeah, I guess so. So

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<v Speaker 1>he confirmed again that they were at thirty five thousand feet,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is where Ed points out that this wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>sort of big alarming thing. But what usually happens is

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<v Speaker 1>you radio in when you leave an altitude, not when

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<v Speaker 1>you arrive. And you also don't radio in seven minutes

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<v Speaker 1>later and say, by the way, we're still at thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five thou feet still here, like once you hit it,

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<v Speaker 1>you're just sort of there that you're cruising altitude, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it wasn't alarming or anything, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>weird that he made those two radio transmissions, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was nothing compared to the weirdness that was about to

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<v Speaker 1>take place um shortly after that, I think at one

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<v Speaker 1>am qual Umpoor Area Control Center. It's like eleven minutes later,

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<v Speaker 1>YEP said, Hey, MH three seventy, you're about to leave

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<v Speaker 1>our jurisdiction and enter ho Chi Min's um jurisdiction. Go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and contract contact ho chie Man Air Traffic Control

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<v Speaker 1>and let them know you are on with them on

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<v Speaker 1>this frequency. Yeah. I mean, if you remember our air

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<v Speaker 1>Traffic Control podcast, you you're you're handed off, like, don't

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<v Speaker 1>just stick with one air traffic control when you fly

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<v Speaker 1>around the world, you're handed off all along the way,

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<v Speaker 1>whenever you enter the airspace of that whatever district precisely,

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<v Speaker 1>and the way that it's set up is there's not

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be any time where you're just flying alone

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<v Speaker 1>and then you move into the other one. You're going

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<v Speaker 1>right from one to the other. You want to hand off.

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<v Speaker 1>So um, Captain Zahari responded with good night Malaysian three

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<v Speaker 1>seven zero. Those are the last words anyone heard from

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<v Speaker 1>Captain Zahari as far as we know. And UM, that

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<v Speaker 1>in and of itself was kind of an odd transmission

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<v Speaker 1>because typically any airline captain would have replied with the

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<v Speaker 1>frequency we said the frequency back to confirmed that that

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<v Speaker 1>was the right one. But instead all he said was

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<v Speaker 1>good night Malaysian three seven zero, And very shortly after that,

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<v Speaker 1>two minutes later, um MH three seventy disappeared from the radar.

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<v Speaker 1>The moment it showed up on ho Chi Min air

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<v Speaker 1>Traffic Controls radar screens, it just vanished, right without everyone

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<v Speaker 1>having made contact with them via radio frequency. This should

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<v Speaker 1>have like set off alarms with Ho Chi Minh city,

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently they did notice. Kuala Lumpur didn't notice. The

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<v Speaker 1>guy was they had all this other air traffic to

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<v Speaker 1>deal and they were out of their zone at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>and he'd said good night, and you know everybody knows

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<v Speaker 1>good night. You can't go back on that. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to wait until tomorrow to make contact again. UM. So

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<v Speaker 1>the Kuala Lumpur's I don't know about blameless in this,

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<v Speaker 1>but certainly less blameful than um. Ho Chi Minh and

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<v Speaker 1>Ho Chi min noticed that they just disappeared from the screen,

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<v Speaker 1>but it took them a full eighteen minutes before they

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<v Speaker 1>called Kuala Lumpur and said, hey, do you know anything

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<v Speaker 1>about where MH three seventy is because they kind of

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<v Speaker 1>vanished from our radar. Yeah. Like, I don't know the

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<v Speaker 1>exact process. Um. In their defense, they were trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get in touch. It's not like they just said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see what happens. Uh. They got in touch with

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<v Speaker 1>another pilot who was nearby in that airspace to contact them,

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<v Speaker 1>and this this pilot reported there was interference and static.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard mumbling on the other end. But that's the

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<v Speaker 1>last we heard and we lost connection. Right, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>even sure that who he was talking to the right people? Yeah, so,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they were trying to get in touch, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, I think like sooner than eighteen minutes, they

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<v Speaker 1>should have said, by the way, this plane that just

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<v Speaker 1>left your airspace has disappeared, Like, do you know what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on? Right? Protocol, international protocol is five minutes. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So they waited thirteen minutes longer than protocol dictated, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was so so much beyond when they should have

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<v Speaker 1>called that the controller and qual Umpoor actually said on

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<v Speaker 1>the record, like, why didn't you call me sooner? How

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<v Speaker 1>are you just calling me about this? That may have

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<v Speaker 1>MISSI have been yesterday, right, it's missing for eighteen minutes, which,

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<v Speaker 1>as we'll get to later on the stuff that came

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<v Speaker 1>up in the investigation, that was just the first step

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<v Speaker 1>in a series of missteps that led to the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why MH three seventy may never be found. Uh So,

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<v Speaker 1>uh should we take a little break and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>radar radar Oriley. We'll be back right after this. Radar Oriley,

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<v Speaker 1>not radar o Riley radar used by air traffic control

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<v Speaker 1>so different. It is different um than radar oriley. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>This is called secondary radar, and it sends out a

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<v Speaker 1>little beam that um, it's very narrow and it sweeps

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<v Speaker 1>the area. And on board the aircraft they have a

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<v Speaker 1>transponder that to Texas beam and sends their own signal

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<v Speaker 1>back that says this, how fast we're going, is where

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<v Speaker 1>we're headed in a code that says that, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is who I am? Yeah, maybe even m H three

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<v Speaker 1>seventy as simple as that something like that. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what's supposed to show up on air traffic controls

0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:14.000
<v Speaker 1>radar screen. That's so they can see, oh, here's MH

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<v Speaker 1>three seventy coming toward d L two or whatever at

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<v Speaker 1>this speed. Right, Um, they have all this information and

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's called secondary radar. Primary radar is what you

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<v Speaker 1>think where it's like, um, you know, it's a blip

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<v Speaker 1>on a screen that this big um, this big radar

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<v Speaker 1>ray is is bouncing off of and receiving information back from.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just you see, it's physically there. This has

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<v Speaker 1>far more information and that's why air traffic control around

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<v Speaker 1>the world uses right. And this is very key because

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<v Speaker 1>just a few seconds after it made that switch over

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<v Speaker 1>into ho Chiman's airspace, the transponder stopped sending information. That

0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.719
<v Speaker 1>transponder that's supposed to say who you are, where you are,

0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.959
<v Speaker 1>and how fast you're going just stopped right. It vanished.

0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:03.240
<v Speaker 1>And this is when the ball was dropped by a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit by Kuala lamp Or not noticing, and definitely

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<v Speaker 1>by ho chi Man not doing anything immediately in response

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<v Speaker 1>to Kuala lamp Or so. UM. Primary radar the radar

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<v Speaker 1>that you typically think of when you think of radar.

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<v Speaker 1>That's there are very few places in the world where

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<v Speaker 1>you can't be tracked by someone on radar. It's fairly

0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:28.160
<v Speaker 1>old technology, it's been around for a while. UM. But

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<v Speaker 1>the places where you can't be tracked can be vast

0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:36.280
<v Speaker 1>over the ocean, in the desert, over extremely mountainous or

0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:39.080
<v Speaker 1>wooded areas. There are places where you can't really put

0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:44.640
<v Speaker 1>a radar tower, and there you can disappear from radar. Right.

0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:46.920
<v Speaker 1>There's this I think what I'm trying to say here

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<v Speaker 1>is if you take your plane out of radar range

0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.560
<v Speaker 1>and you turn off your transponder, you can make a

0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:59.640
<v Speaker 1>modern airliner as big as a seven s vanish where

0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.000
<v Speaker 1>people don't know where it is. And that's a really

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<v Speaker 1>I think hallmark point or trade to this. This mystery

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of like gets people a little unnerved. Is

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, like this is the century, this happened

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<v Speaker 1>in two four. What do you mean? There's times and

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<v Speaker 1>situations where an airliner can disappear and people don't know

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<v Speaker 1>where it is. And that was the situation and as

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<v Speaker 1>um Ho Chi Minh City and Kuala Lumpur starting to

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<v Speaker 1>scramble to try to figure out, you know, where this is.

0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Apparently they called Malaysian Airlines and said, hey, do you

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<v Speaker 1>know anything about MH three seventy. Malaysian Airlines said, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're flying over Cambodia right now, and they're like where,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you how are you seeing this? After an hour,

0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:43.000
<v Speaker 1>finally Malaysian Airlines is like, no, we're just referring to

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<v Speaker 1>the flight plan. They should be over Cambodia right now.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean you can't find them? What's what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on? Yeah? But because of that primary radar, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the secondary radar wasn't functioning like we said, because the

0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:57.000
<v Speaker 1>transponder was off, but the primary radar did track them

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<v Speaker 1>for about an hour after those communications dropped UM because

0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.800
<v Speaker 1>of the Malaysian military was able to track it with

0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.400
<v Speaker 1>the primary radar. Yeah, apparently it flew through the primary

0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.920
<v Speaker 1>radar of five different countries and the only one that

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<v Speaker 1>bothered to track it was Malaysia's um Air Force. But

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<v Speaker 1>they they didn't do anything about it. They didn't follow

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<v Speaker 1>up to see who it was. They didn't scramble any

0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:24.200
<v Speaker 1>jets to go see if everybody was okay, or they

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<v Speaker 1>just knew that there was an unidentified plane flying through

0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Malaysian airspace and there force didn't do anything about it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is embarrassing enough that the Air Force didn't reveal

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<v Speaker 1>this to anybody for a while. Which was a really

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<v Speaker 1>important point because during this time, about an hour UM,

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<v Speaker 1>about an hour and a half after the takeoff and

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<v Speaker 1>an hour after the thing disappeared from transponders, the Malaysian

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<v Speaker 1>Air Force was tracking MH three seventy and it saw

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<v Speaker 1>that it seemed to have taken a turn. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean they know what happened at this point. For a

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<v Speaker 1>little while, it made a sharp turn that was not

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<v Speaker 1>part of the planned flight plan. No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where things definitely took a metaphorical and literal turn.

0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:12.520
<v Speaker 1>It headed southwest at that point, crossed over the Malay Peninsula,

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<v Speaker 1>over Malaysia again and then parts of Thailand. Then it

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<v Speaker 1>made a right turn this is very key near the

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<v Speaker 1>island of Penang, just put a pin in that. Then

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<v Speaker 1>headed west by northwest towards the Andaman Sea, and then

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<v Speaker 1>at two a M vanished from radar, from that primary

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<v Speaker 1>right radar as well. Right, so the Malaysian Air Force

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<v Speaker 1>saw this happen on this radar, didn't tell anybody for

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<v Speaker 1>a while. The flight plan had it leaving Malaysia, crossing

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<v Speaker 1>over the Straight of Malacca um into the Um the

0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:52.560
<v Speaker 1>peninsula where Thailand is located, into China, right just away

0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:56.000
<v Speaker 1>from Malaysia. And from what the Malaysian Air Force saw,

0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.560
<v Speaker 1>this thing doubled back on itself and then went in

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<v Speaker 1>some totally different directions, almost the opposite direction it was

0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.600
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be going in. And like you said, it

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<v Speaker 1>dropped off of the radar, and that was the last

0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:11.280
<v Speaker 1>time anyone saw it on radar. But that's not the

0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:15.680
<v Speaker 1>last time we were able to track um M H

0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:19.000
<v Speaker 1>three seventy and that's thanks to a satellite network that's

0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.720
<v Speaker 1>run by an outfit called in MARSAT. Yeah, so in

0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.080
<v Speaker 1>mar SAT. If you've ever been on a plane and

0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:30.280
<v Speaker 1>you've enjoyed the benefits of watching movies, streaming or connected

0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:34.640
<v Speaker 1>to your computer via WiFi, that is because of satellite communication.

0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Um these airplane. Airplanes are equipped with a system and

0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:43.159
<v Speaker 1>it transfers data and all their voice communications via satellite.

0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:46.560
<v Speaker 1>And some of this data from the plane is automatically

0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.720
<v Speaker 1>shared with these ground tracking stations, which is a really

0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.000
<v Speaker 1>big deal. So not only are there letting you watch

0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:55.320
<v Speaker 1>movies and doing all that, but it's sending this automatic

0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.480
<v Speaker 1>data on a regular on the rag basically from that

0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:02.880
<v Speaker 1>satellite to these ground stations. Right. So, um, they think

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<v Speaker 1>by this time, Um, actually I believe they know. By

0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:12.680
<v Speaker 1>this time MH three seventies navigational systems, entertainment systems, UH,

0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:15.959
<v Speaker 1>A bunch of its systems have been turned off. The

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<v Speaker 1>only thing that was still operating was this satellite link. Um,

0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.920
<v Speaker 1>I guess beacon. It's called a satellite data unit. Okay,

0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:28.840
<v Speaker 1>So the satellite data unit which was capable of of

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<v Speaker 1>contacting and receiving contact from the m mar SAT satellites. Now,

0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:37.520
<v Speaker 1>at the time, no one knows that this is happening right,

0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Like there's no sound being made, there's nobody tracking this.

0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:44.080
<v Speaker 1>This all came out much later when m mar Sette

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<v Speaker 1>realized they were sitting on a bunch of data. Um

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<v Speaker 1>But during different points over the next six seven hours,

0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.800
<v Speaker 1>the satellite and the satellite data unit talked to each

0:19:56.840 --> 0:20:00.280
<v Speaker 1>other under a few different circumstances. And because of this,

0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.639
<v Speaker 1>this company M Marsett, which is located in or headquartered

0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:08.600
<v Speaker 1>in Great Britain, but literally covers the globe, not just

0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.080
<v Speaker 1>with airline stuff but maritime thing, which I think where

0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:15.920
<v Speaker 1>they were originally, um they were originally um founded to

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<v Speaker 1>to do is to to enable maritime communications, like you know,

0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:26.080
<v Speaker 1>satellite phone you're calling through in Marsett, right, Um. So

0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:30.920
<v Speaker 1>they've got this whole constellation of satellites and when in

0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Marsett heard about MH three seventy, they were like, we're

0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.680
<v Speaker 1>all bet our satellites were tracking this thing in some way,

0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.440
<v Speaker 1>ship or form. And it turns out that they were right. Yeah,

0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.560
<v Speaker 1>And there's four and this is important here. There's four

0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:47.400
<v Speaker 1>different ways um or circumstances where that satellite data unit

0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:50.600
<v Speaker 1>on the plane is communicating with the satellite in space

0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:54.680
<v Speaker 1>whenever you're making a data transmission or a voice transmission.

0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Whenever someone on the ground tries to contact the plane. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's something that happens every hour. If no one has

0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:05.320
<v Speaker 1>made either one of these contacts for an hour, you

0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:07.679
<v Speaker 1>get a check in called a handshake. It's just like

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<v Speaker 1>you're still here, shake hand's buddy, Yeah, just want to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you're logged on. It's kind of like um,

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<v Speaker 1>when you watch too much Netflix and Netflix message, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>have you finished all the tub of cookie dough yet? Yeah?

0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.960
<v Speaker 1>And then as the thing that says go outside, right,

0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.080
<v Speaker 1>or actually it doesn't, it says, watch another one, watch

0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:28.160
<v Speaker 1>some more? Why not have some more cookie dough? It's

0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:30.560
<v Speaker 1>the same thing. It's it's sending a message to the

0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.520
<v Speaker 1>planes satellite data unit saying like, just are you still

0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:35.800
<v Speaker 1>logged on? And then the final thing, and this is

0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:39.880
<v Speaker 1>super key, is whenever the uh, whenever you first log

0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:43.439
<v Speaker 1>onto the satellite system, that thing on the plane, whenever

0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:46.320
<v Speaker 1>it kind of checks in and links up. That is

0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:48.959
<v Speaker 1>very key because what can also happen if that thing

0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:52.639
<v Speaker 1>goes down and then reboots, It treats that as a

0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.639
<v Speaker 1>new log in, so it'll make another ping. Basically that

0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:59.200
<v Speaker 1>it's logged onto the system, right So in mars goes

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<v Speaker 1>back and looks their data and says, okay, so here's

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of things right now. This is I think

0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:08.440
<v Speaker 1>within the first few days, um, everybody is looking in

0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:12.080
<v Speaker 1>the South China Sea for MH three seventy because that

0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.560
<v Speaker 1>was what was along its flight plan. The Malaysian Air

0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Force hasn't revealed yet that it tracked MH three seventy

0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:22.360
<v Speaker 1>turn around and go the opposite direction of what its

0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:25.439
<v Speaker 1>flight plane was was where it was scheduled to carry it.

0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:28.880
<v Speaker 1>And m Marsett is now saying, wait a minute, this

0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:32.280
<v Speaker 1>thing didn't crash like an hour and a half after takeoff.

0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:36.600
<v Speaker 1>This thing turned around and flew into the Indian Ocean

0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:40.199
<v Speaker 1>for six or seven more hours because our satellite was

0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:43.280
<v Speaker 1>talking to the to the plane at various points during

0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:45.840
<v Speaker 1>this during this time. Yeah, and we should point out

0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to after Air France flight four four seven, which crashed

0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:53.160
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand nine. This is when in Marsett really

0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:55.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of beefed up their system. They added more ground

0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.520
<v Speaker 1>stations and they added a lot more capability to add

0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.440
<v Speaker 1>story age for this data because they know that this

0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:04.680
<v Speaker 1>can really help out in situations like this that was

0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:07.080
<v Speaker 1>a big one too, Um do you remember that one?

0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:09.520
<v Speaker 1>So that one was the first one that really opened

0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:11.800
<v Speaker 1>people's eyes where it was like, wait a minute, when

0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:14.200
<v Speaker 1>we're flying over the ocean, like no one knows where

0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:18.720
<v Speaker 1>we are, and they were like, no, actually not really, um,

0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.720
<v Speaker 1>and they I think that's why m MARSAT was like,

0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:23.840
<v Speaker 1>we gotta build more ground stations, we got to bulk

0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:26.200
<v Speaker 1>up our data, data stores, all that stuff, we got

0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:29.919
<v Speaker 1>to add more satellite capabilities, and in doing so, they

0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:32.640
<v Speaker 1>made it so that you could be tracked when you're

0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:35.240
<v Speaker 1>over the ocean, even if you didn't want to be,

0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:38.360
<v Speaker 1>as seems to have been the case with MH three seventy.

0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:41.320
<v Speaker 1>So it was a huge difference between two thousand and four,

0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:44.879
<v Speaker 1>was it two thousand four, two two nine and two

0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:47.720
<v Speaker 1>thousand fourteen just five years the thing proved itself. These

0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:51.160
<v Speaker 1>upgrades they made were substantial. But um Air France flight

0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:55.200
<v Speaker 1>four four seven in and of itself another languish gem

0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:57.560
<v Speaker 1>that just puts you in the seat of this terrifying

0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:01.000
<v Speaker 1>plane crash. Um that one in party killer. They knew

0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:03.399
<v Speaker 1>where the plane was, and it still took two years

0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:06.600
<v Speaker 1>to recover the black boxes and figure out what went wrong,

0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:10.439
<v Speaker 1>which is terrifying. And if you know what happened to

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:13.680
<v Speaker 1>that one, it's basically the controllers got ripped away but

0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:16.320
<v Speaker 1>from the pilot and it just went right into the ocean,

0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:19.080
<v Speaker 1>and they're still down there. Apparently there was a big

0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:22.199
<v Speaker 1>debate over what to do with these people. When they

0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:25.440
<v Speaker 1>started raising them, they were perfectly preserved because they're so

0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:29.840
<v Speaker 1>deep in the pressure in the anaerobic situation, and yeah,

0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:32.760
<v Speaker 1>the temperature just kept them perfectly preserved. But as they

0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:36.360
<v Speaker 1>were raised up into warmer waters, the decomposition over two

0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:40.119
<v Speaker 1>years just happened immediately. So they I think the French

0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:43.640
<v Speaker 1>government said they have to stay there. It's now a memorial,

0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:46.000
<v Speaker 1>do not try to raise anybody. And they're still down there,

0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:50.639
<v Speaker 1>strapped to their seats, which when you just do not

0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:53.040
<v Speaker 1>think about that the next time you get on a plane,

0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:55.320
<v Speaker 1>it's a terrible thing to think about. I can tell

0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:59.880
<v Speaker 1>you firsthand, you've gotten so much better over the years.

0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:03.280
<v Speaker 1>But I'm sure this isn't going to be a setback. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hanging in there, all right. Yeah, if it happens,

0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:08.200
<v Speaker 1>it happens, like that's the way I kind of view

0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:11.360
<v Speaker 1>you can do about it. This isn't something that they

0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:13.800
<v Speaker 1>are that you guys are gonna play my memorial at

0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:16.880
<v Speaker 1>my funeral, my last words. But if you're if if

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I go down in a plane crash, my number was

0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 1>up right, and everyone else would be like, that's so weird.

0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:27.119
<v Speaker 1>He always talked about it. Yeah, there was. Actually I

0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:29.480
<v Speaker 1>had a tweet once it said, um, if I ever

0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:31.480
<v Speaker 1>go down in a plane crash, I'm going to shout

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I were to spend more time at work.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure I get that. Well, you know it's

0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:40.760
<v Speaker 1>like no one ever says that in their deathbed they

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:42.919
<v Speaker 1>wish they'd spend more time at work. Well I got it.

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:45.440
<v Speaker 1>An ironic funny on the way. Oh yeah, i'll make

0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:47.560
<v Speaker 1>people laugh. Good for you give them their last laugh.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh, this uh, where they're getting all this information

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:55.119
<v Speaker 1>was from a ground station in Perth, Australia, a place

0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:58.680
<v Speaker 1>we have been to. It was quite lovely, lovely town.

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:01.399
<v Speaker 1>That's right, it was great. Uh. Anyone ever tells you

0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:05.800
<v Speaker 1>don't go to Western Australia, You tell them that's b S.

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Because Josh and Chuck said it's great, all right, very stupid.

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:13.480
<v Speaker 1>So b S stands for So they had a lot

0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:15.760
<v Speaker 1>of data, like we said, because they had beefed up

0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:19.200
<v Speaker 1>their storage capabilities over the past five or six years,

0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:23.400
<v Speaker 1>and they have a couple of types of data. Um

0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:28.359
<v Speaker 1>something called burst timing offset and burst frequency offset b

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:32.199
<v Speaker 1>t O is it measures how long that a signal

0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:35.240
<v Speaker 1>takes to reach a satellite, you know, the speed of

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:37.960
<v Speaker 1>the signal, so you know exactly how far that plane

0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:40.640
<v Speaker 1>is from the satellite at that exact moment. It's very

0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:45.760
<v Speaker 1>easy to kind of understand, right, and first taken into account,

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 1>m Marsat has Oh here was a here was a ping,

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:51.760
<v Speaker 1>here's a pin, here's a pin, here's a pink. Right now,

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:55.399
<v Speaker 1>they're digging in to analyze these pings and just the

0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:57.679
<v Speaker 1>quality of them, the timing of them, all this stuff,

0:26:57.840 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 1>because they're like, I'm pretty sure we can figure out

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:04.160
<v Speaker 1>where this plane was and maybe where it went if

0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 1>we really drill in and do some incredible math and

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:12.560
<v Speaker 1>figure out, uh, just kind of the nature of these pains. Yeah,

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 1>and what they're trying to do here is to narrow

0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:17.880
<v Speaker 1>it down into an arc instead of a circle. Well,

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:20.399
<v Speaker 1>I think that's just naturally what happened. Oh, yeah, you're right,

0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:23.199
<v Speaker 1>you're right. I'm sorry because ed explained in a very

0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:26.840
<v Speaker 1>easy way. If you tell someone, hey, I'm a hundred

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 1>miles from Atlanta, then you draw a circle around Atlanta.

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 1>That's a hundred miles and you could be at any

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:37.359
<v Speaker 1>point along that circle. But if that phone call was

0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:40.479
<v Speaker 1>from Athens, which is not a hundred miles from Atlanta,

0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 1>but it's you know, too far or so. But if

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:47.960
<v Speaker 1>you said you're from some other city in Georgia, then

0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:49.640
<v Speaker 1>you would know where you were, and if you knew

0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 1>how fast you were going, then you could. Really it

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:54.160
<v Speaker 1>doesn't become a circle, then it becomes an arc. Right,

0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 1>the number of points on that circle where that person

0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:01.199
<v Speaker 1>could possibly be yes is smaller, yeah, much more or

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:03.679
<v Speaker 1>maybe by half, maybe by two thirds. And yet so

0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:07.439
<v Speaker 1>the circle becomes an arc. And because of that burst

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 1>timing offset, UM they could establish those those arcs, and

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 1>there were seven of them, I believe, no, they could

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 1>establish the circles. And because of the other one, the

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 1>the BFO, the burst frequency offset, those are more complicated.

0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 1>They involved the Doppler effect, and basically UM tell the

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:36.160
<v Speaker 1>satellite or the satellite data tells in mar set we're

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:39.960
<v Speaker 1>going in this direction. Because the you know, the Doppler

0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 1>effectiveists an ambulance, SIRN is coming to you and then

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 1>changes in pitch. Because of the relative distance and the

0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 1>direction that it's traveling. They could tell from this ping

0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 1>the satellite ping um, not even a data transmission, just

0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:02.160
<v Speaker 1>to ping which direction thing was headed and roughly how

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:04.800
<v Speaker 1>fast it was going. And so they were able to

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 1>create seven arcs. And after the seven arcs, the seventh

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 1>arc was created by a pin that took place at

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 1>eight nine am. And after that there was another uh,

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:19.720
<v Speaker 1>there was a log on request, a handshake request that

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 1>the SDU failed to respond to. And they think that

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:26.240
<v Speaker 1>in between eight nine am and that last log on

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 1>request at nine fifteen am, the plane finally crashed, probably

0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 1>from running out of fuel. Yeah, And they think the

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 1>eight nineteen was from one of those reboots that I

0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 1>was talking about when that system comes back on, which

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 1>will come after power failure, right, which will come into

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 1>play pretty soon. Alright, So let's take another break here, Okay,

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>all right, we'll be back with the leading theory right

0:29:53.040 --> 0:30:23.240
<v Speaker 1>after this. All right, So the leading theory and this

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 1>is uh, the more I read this, the more it

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 1>was Akam's razor kind of staring you in the face.

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Because we'll get into some of the kind of cockamami theories,

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:37.320
<v Speaker 1>and there are many of them, but this one is

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:42.280
<v Speaker 1>the simplest, and uh, it's probably what happened. It is

0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 1>that uh, someone on board and should we should we

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:52.360
<v Speaker 1>tease this out? Yeah, okay, someone on board uh took

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:57.160
<v Speaker 1>control of the plane, disabled that transponder and then started

0:30:57.200 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 1>flying in the other direction back across Malaysia, then put

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 1>it on autopilot until it ran out of gas and

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:05.840
<v Speaker 1>it crashed into the ocean. Yeah, about the southern Indian Ocean,

0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 1>which is where the southern seventh arc was. Right. One

0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>of the reasons this makes a lot of sense is

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 1>because that transponder going off at the exact moment when

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 1>the plane transition from Kaua Lampoor's airspace into ho Chi

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Men's it would be an incredible coincidence. If that was

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 1>just an incredible coincidence, that in and of itself says

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 1>that some that there was a human factor involved, like

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 1>someone knew what that meant, right exactly, so somebody who

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:38.240
<v Speaker 1>knew how to do that when to do it, and um,

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>the timing of it was just too spectacular for it

0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 1>to have been an accident. Yeah, because what they probably

0:31:44.080 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 1>counted on is exactly what happened. Was there was a

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 1>period of time. They might have figured five minutes, which

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 1>is what you said the standard was, but what they

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>got was eighteen minutes of confusion. I mean they it

0:31:56.760 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 1>tripled what they were counting on best case scenario. Yeah. Uh.

0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:06.160
<v Speaker 1>The other thing was that the turn that the MH

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 1>three seventy made was so um abrupt that an autopilot

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have done that if you put it. If you

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>put a plane on autopilot and have it and it turns,

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:21.800
<v Speaker 1>it would make a much wider turn. This is a

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:26.960
<v Speaker 1>hard kind of backtracking turn that it made to its

0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:31.000
<v Speaker 1>left to the southwest from the north. Traveling the northeast,

0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 1>the turn was to the southwest. So just the turn alone,

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 1>which came after the transponder was turned off um shows

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 1>that it was under human control. It was a person

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 1>piloting the plane making it turn like right, and that

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 1>rules out things like mechanical failure or fire. Everything from

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 1>meteor strike to the squaw line to any kind of weather.

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 1>It was all that was ruled out by the fact

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 1>that this turn took is clearly under human control. Right.

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 1>That also rules out hypoxia. If you remember the very

0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 1>eerie crash for with Golfer plane Pain Stewart on that

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 1>private jet, I don't really remember that. Can you kind

0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:17.080
<v Speaker 1>of refresh my memory? That was and the I think

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 1>the post mortem on that one was that this private

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 1>plane essentially everyone on board died of hypoxia, including the pilots,

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 1>and it flew for a number of hours on autopilot.

0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:35.120
<v Speaker 1>It was a ghost plane essentially. Yeah, so they don't

0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:38.600
<v Speaker 1>think that hypoxia affected whoever was in control of the

0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 1>plane because it made that turn. Yeah, it was a

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 1>very deliberate turn, and then it followed a more and

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 1>even more deliberate flight pattern after that. This was not

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 1>random movements of a plane where somebody who was suffering

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:56.200
<v Speaker 1>from hypoxia but still alive would make. These weren't confused decisions.

0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:59.960
<v Speaker 1>They were and they were difficult to understand to say,

0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 1>but they weren't random and confused behavior. They were deliberate.

0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 1>That's right. So hip one of the pilots or both

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 1>of the pilots suffering from hypoxia has ruled out um

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:13.319
<v Speaker 1>and the fact that they were deliberate turns also rules

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 1>out the idea that both of the high, the pilots

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 1>were dead. That again, it was just the plane flying itself, right. Uh.

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:26.840
<v Speaker 1>These log on requests by that STU unit on the plane. Um,

0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:29.040
<v Speaker 1>it was another big clue there because there was a

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:32.960
<v Speaker 1>log on request made at one forty three am, and

0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:35.920
<v Speaker 1>that basically says that the power on the plane's electrical

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 1>system was shut off for a period of time in

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:42.919
<v Speaker 1>between that transponder disappearing and that time of that log

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:47.840
<v Speaker 1>on request. Right. So someone like purposely disabled, purposefully disabled

0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:51.520
<v Speaker 1>these systems. Right. So one forty three am would have

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:57.759
<v Speaker 1>been um about an hour after takeoff, just over an

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 1>hour after takeoff, um, after the transponder was turned off

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 1>with perfect timing between Kuala Lumpur and Ho Chi Minh,

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:11.480
<v Speaker 1>but also um before the turn that that Malaysian Air

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:16.359
<v Speaker 1>Force tracts or at about the same time, right. Um.

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:19.440
<v Speaker 1>The other thing that could have happened when these when

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:22.360
<v Speaker 1>the transponder and the STU are shut off, it could

0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:26.920
<v Speaker 1>have depressurized the plane. Um. If that happens, then hypoxy

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:29.959
<v Speaker 1>is the fear. Those oxygen masks are gonna drop down,

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:32.839
<v Speaker 1>but you only get about ten minutes of oxygen as

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 1>a passenger. The cockpit is going to have a lot

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:39.279
<v Speaker 1>more oxygen than that, but we do know for a

0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:41.799
<v Speaker 1>fact from that log on request that the systems will

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:44.960
<v Speaker 1>all for an hour. So even if that were the case,

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:49.239
<v Speaker 1>then the masks run out ten minutes later and the

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 1>people die of hypoxy at the passengers shortly after that.

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:55.800
<v Speaker 1>The thing is is they believe that um not only

0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 1>was MH three seventies still at cruising altitude, it probably

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:04.760
<v Speaker 1>actually climbed to forty thousand, maybe a little over forty feet.

0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 1>It's basically the maximum that a seven seventy seven could

0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 1>stay aloft at. So the drop down masks would have

0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 1>been totally useless to begin with. There's not enough oxygen

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 1>coming through them to offset that kind of height into

0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:20.839
<v Speaker 1>deep pressurized cabin that's meant for a much lower altitude,

0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 1>and the reason why I found it very disconcerting to

0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:27.319
<v Speaker 1>learn that there's only like ten or fifteen minutes worth

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 1>of oxygen coming out of those masks. I mean, there's

0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:31.959
<v Speaker 1>the idea there that a plane crash doesn't take longer

0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:35.600
<v Speaker 1>than that. The idea is that it's used for an

0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:39.440
<v Speaker 1>emergency transition down to a much lower altitude where you

0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:42.400
<v Speaker 1>could breathe without a pressurized cabin and that that takes

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:44.120
<v Speaker 1>less than ten or fifteen minutes. You can do that

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:46.799
<v Speaker 1>much more quickly a few minutes. So basically you're gonna

0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 1>start flying with your own oxygen tank. Basically, Okay, I'll

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 1>be like trying to take it away from the t

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:54.839
<v Speaker 1>you can't do it. Uh. Here's another thing is that

0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:58.720
<v Speaker 1>that STU log on request UM at the end, it's

0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:02.440
<v Speaker 1>it suggests that it was turned back on. And the

0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:07.440
<v Speaker 1>thinking here is that whoever did this UM it probably

0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:09.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't care at that point because it was too late

0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:13.400
<v Speaker 1>because everyone on board was dead. Right. So the idea

0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:16.359
<v Speaker 1>of behind all this is that the power was shut off,

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:18.720
<v Speaker 1>and they know that the power was turned off because

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:23.239
<v Speaker 1>the log on request came at a certain point, right,

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:25.960
<v Speaker 1>So that means that the power had been shut off

0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 1>and it was coming back on. And they think that

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:30.600
<v Speaker 1>it was to de pressurize the cabin and be a

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:34.080
<v Speaker 1>very easy way to depressurize the cabin just turn off

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:37.640
<v Speaker 1>all of the power and then maybe whoever did this

0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:40.400
<v Speaker 1>and we'll get to that. Uh, it was like, I

0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:42.839
<v Speaker 1>want to get back down to normal cruising altitude here

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:46.799
<v Speaker 1>so I can fly this plane UM without wearing a mask.

0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Maybe or just in a less stressful environment, right exactly,

0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:52.439
<v Speaker 1>maybe go get a bite to eat or something like that.

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of there's a lock that can be

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:57.520
<v Speaker 1>done in pressurized cabin. And then there was that final arc,

0:37:57.640 --> 0:38:01.279
<v Speaker 1>the seventh one that log on ust was probably the

0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:03.640
<v Speaker 1>plane running out of fuel, and this I thought was

0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:06.919
<v Speaker 1>super interesting. So the plane runs out of fuel, those

0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 1>engines shut down, but there's still air pumping through those

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:15.760
<v Speaker 1>turbines and that's gonna spin the turbine and that's certainly

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:17.719
<v Speaker 1>not going to be enough to fly your plane, but

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.000
<v Speaker 1>it could be enough to act as a generator and

0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:24.000
<v Speaker 1>power up the auxiliary power system. That's right, super super interesting. Yeah,

0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:28.279
<v Speaker 1>So in the running out of fuel, electrical goes down,

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:31.919
<v Speaker 1>those air ram jets come on, in the auxiliary power

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 1>system comes on. The thing logs back on just enough

0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:36.919
<v Speaker 1>to get that going again, right exactly. So let's let's

0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 1>just before we stop for um this episode, Chuck, let's

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:43.439
<v Speaker 1>just kind of recap what m Marset has been able

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:48.359
<v Speaker 1>to figure out from seven pings between its satellite and

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:52.080
<v Speaker 1>the satellite data unit seven pings. They dove into these

0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:54.839
<v Speaker 1>things so deeply that they were able to figure out

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:58.239
<v Speaker 1>that the that the flight did not crash, that it

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:02.600
<v Speaker 1>um there was probably a hypoxia event among the cabin,

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:07.400
<v Speaker 1>that it was deliberate, and that the plane kept flying. UM,

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:09.279
<v Speaker 1>not that it did not crush, but that it kept

0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:12.439
<v Speaker 1>flying for at least six more hours and finally did

0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 1>probably crash in the Southern Indian Ocean. All from seven

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 1>little pings between the plane and the satellite. That's right. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the final little clue here from the satellite

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<v Speaker 1>is the e l T emergency transmitter UM failed. It's

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<v Speaker 1>emergency location transmitter, and that's linked to a different satellite system.

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<v Speaker 1>And one person, if you're conspiracy minded, might say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what this means. It didn't actually crash into

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean. But these e l T s apparently have

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty low success rate. And when you dive into

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean with no power, it's at tremendous speed and

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<v Speaker 1>that would have been enough probably to destroy the plane instantly.

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<v Speaker 1>And this e l T there's UM. There's another. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's four I think on the plane. Did you say that.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't say four, So believe there's four on the plane.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them like they can be disabled. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a black box. By the way, no, no, no, this

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<v Speaker 1>is just a beacon that's pings of satellite but isn't

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<v Speaker 1>even it's a different satellite from m MARSAT, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>like an extra fail safe. And this means that they

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<v Speaker 1>all four of them failed, which again some people think

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's that's evidence right there that this thing didn't

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<v Speaker 1>actually crush. We'll talk about that in the next episode.

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<v Speaker 1>About that, all right, I think we don't do listener

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<v Speaker 1>mails on a part one, so just strap in and

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you can hold off from researching for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days on this one. Maybe you have a

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<v Speaker 1>bloody mary while you're waiting. Well, anyway, in the meantime,

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