1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: Hey, Seattle, will see you Thursday, January sixteenth at the 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: More Theater in San Francisco. We're going to be at 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: the Castro on January when else? Chuck? Uh? That is it? Man? 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: January eighteenth at the Castro, our annual trip to Sketch Fest. 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: We'd love performing there. We have great crowds there. Go 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: get a ticket. If you want to come see me 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: at Movie Crush the next night on Sunday and a 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: small venue where you can shake my hand and hug 9 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: my neck. I would welcome that as well. Well, that's 10 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: what I was setting you up for when I said 11 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: what else. I appreciate that. We'll see you guys. You 12 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: can get all the info and tickets you need on 13 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: s Y s K Live dot com or s F 14 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: sketch Fest dot com. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, 15 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: a production of My Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, 16 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark's Charles W. 17 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant. There's Jerry over there, and this is Stuff 18 00:00:53,159 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: you Should Know about. One of the most interesting mysteries 19 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: in modern times. Yeah, like it's really tough to get across. 20 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: What a mystery. The Missing Airliner MH three seventy is 21 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: Malaysian Airlines Flight three seventy. Yeah, and this is uh, 22 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a two parter because it's pretty robust, 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: and boy, hats off to the grabster. He really put 24 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: together a lot of great research for this one. He did. 25 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: I also want to give a huge shout out to 26 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: one of my journalistic heroes, William Langwish. He wrote something 27 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: he writes in the Atlantic, but he's not just an 28 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: Atlantic writer. Um. He wrote what really happened to Malaysia's 29 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: missing airplane, big old long article on it. And this 30 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: guy is an aviation expert to begin with, but he's 31 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: also if you ever read a Tom wolf book or 32 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: article or whatever, he has a really great knack for 33 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: making you feel like you're there in the action. But 34 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: then he also has a knack for making you step 35 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: back and think, how does Tom Wolfe know all this? Was? 36 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: He there? William Languish is the same way, and I 37 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: will I will go ahead and recommend that you not, 38 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: unless you are a very courageous person, read any of 39 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: his work, especially the stuff about airline disasters, any time 40 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: around when you're flying, because he puts you in that 41 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: plane when it's going down or whatever. Um, he's really 42 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: really good at it. So I recommend basically anything lang 43 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: Watch has written go read. It's worth it for sure. Yeah, 44 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: and I think this coupled with um the brief times 45 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: that we've touched on this kind of thing in the past, 46 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: whether it was D. B. Cooper or Bermuda triangle, Like, 47 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: there's something about aviation disasters and mysteries that are really 48 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: intriguing to me. And for airline forensics, it's all ri 49 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: just super super interesting. It is. So you talked about 50 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: airline forensics and and that kind of stuff. This is 51 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,399 Speaker 1: lousy with it. But the reason I was saying why 52 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: it's tough to overstate, like what a mystery image three seventies, 53 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: it's the only airliner that has considered disappeared vanished. They 54 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: know where all the other ones are, they know what 55 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: happened to all the other ones. It's the only major 56 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: one that is just where the official investigation said we 57 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, I mean, and you know in part 58 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: two will get to a pretty good well, actually, I 59 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: think the leading theory comes in this episode, but we 60 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: kind of think we know. But it's that thing where 61 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: you like, you can't definitively say yeah. You can't say where, 62 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: and you can't say why. Um, yeah, and that then 63 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: the y is and the where we're both really confounding. Yeah. 64 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: And the reason why air travel in the twenty one 65 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: century is way safer than auto travel is because anytime 66 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: an airliner goes down, everyone in the international community comes 67 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: together investigates it. They do so openly. The airline um 68 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: that the airplane manufacturer, the um, everyone involved is expected 69 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: to like tell the truth and you get it out 70 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: there and you figure out what went wrong, and then 71 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: you make things safer, and then that makes air air 72 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: travel safer for everybody. They couldn't do this for all 73 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: sorts of reasons m Age three seventy and so it's 74 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: a huge failing um among the the international community, not 75 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: not for lack of trying, but because it's just an 76 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: asterisk out there. It's the only one. Yeah. And that's 77 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: why airplanes don't crash as much anymore. I mean, growing up, 78 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: it's not like it was every other week or anything, 79 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: but I used to hear about airline crashes enough to 80 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: where it gave you pause. Uh, And you just don't 81 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: hear about it much anymore. It's true. It's still out 82 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: there for sure. Yeah, but there they seem much more 83 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: rare than they used to be, kind of like sky jackings. 84 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: So we'll do our best to uh put you in 85 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: the in the plane, in the passenger seat. Yeah, can 86 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,679 Speaker 1: we at least be in business class? Buckle sure? Okay sure, 87 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: We're about to say a buckle up. Yeah, okay, buckle up, 88 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: because we're going to take off on March eighth, two 89 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: thou fourteen in Kuala Lumpur. It's the very beginning of 90 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: March eighth. UM. The takeoff schedule for Malaysian Airlines Flight 91 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: three seven and DY from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing was 92 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: scheduled for twelve thirty five am. That's right. We're in 93 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: a Boeing seven seven seven Dash two er and there 94 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 1: are two hundred and twenty seven fellow passengers aboard twelve 95 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: flight crew. It's a lot of people, almost about two 96 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: thirds of the passengers or Chinese nationals. I believe there's 97 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: a bunch of other people from other countries, but for 98 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: the bulk of the people on the plane, we're from 99 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: China and um it's a late night flight. It's expected 100 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: to arrive in Beijing at about six o'clock six thirty 101 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: in Beijing time, and it's gonna fly over the South 102 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: China Sea, UM, over the Gulf of Thailand, through Laos, Vietnam, 103 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: and then uh into China to arrive at Beijing. Um, 104 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: it didn't actually take off at twelve thirty five. They 105 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: took off at twelve forty two. Not too shabby, seven minutes. 106 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: I'm not like sitting there rocking in my seat like 107 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: let's go. Yeah, yeah, that might not have even noticed. 108 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: And UM they take off and it flies up to 109 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: eighteen thousand feet and the air traffic control center at 110 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: Kuala Lumpur says, hey, you guys are cleared for UM 111 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: to to go up to thirty five thousand feet, which 112 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: is cruising altitude for this flight. I think that's right. 113 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: And at this point, at eighteen thousand, they switched from 114 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: the airport's air traffic to Kuala Lampur Area Control Center. 115 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: And you know, the way, the reason we're mentioning all 116 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: these details is because it turns out they're very important, 117 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: very important. So these are all key. Keep rewinding fifteen 118 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: thirty seconds to get every single detail, okay, because you're 119 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: gonna need them for the big finish. So four minutes later, 120 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: like you said, they were cleared to go to thirty 121 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: five thousand talking about fifteen minutes. Uh, And it's here 122 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: where Captain Zahari and there were two people on board 123 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: flying this plane. Captain Zahari and uh, what was the 124 00:06:55,640 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: other gentleman's name, First Officer Farik abdual Humid and Upton 125 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: Zahari Ahmad Shaw is piloting the plane, UM, first Officer Hamid. 126 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: This is his last training flight. After this he will 127 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: be fully certified to fly Boeing seven seventy seven, which 128 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: if you're a commercial airline pilot, that's pretty much the 129 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: peak right there. Yeah, and that's important too because one 130 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: of them is a very experienced pilot in his fifties. Uh. 131 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: The other one is a brand new kind of greenhorn, 132 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: and that's going to factor in for sure. So uh, 133 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: like I said, it took about fifteen minutes to get 134 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: to thirty five thousand feet. And this is when UM, 135 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: the lead pilot radios that Kuala Lampoor Control Center says 136 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: we're at thirty five thou feet. Then seven minutes later 137 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: he radios again says, by the way, we're sta in. 138 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: This is not me doing him. I don't know what 139 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: he sounded like. There you go, this is Captain Zohari. Yeah, 140 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: everybody sounds like Chuck Yeager. Yeah, I guess so. So 141 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: he confirmed again that they were at thirty five thousand feet, 142 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: and this is where Ed points out that this wasn't 143 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: sort of big alarming thing. But what usually happens is 144 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: you radio in when you leave an altitude, not when 145 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: you arrive. And you also don't radio in seven minutes 146 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: later and say, by the way, we're still at thirty 147 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: five thou feet still here, like once you hit it, 148 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: you're just sort of there that you're cruising altitude, right, 149 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: So it's it wasn't alarming or anything, but it was 150 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: weird that he made those two radio transmissions, but it 151 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: was nothing compared to the weirdness that was about to 152 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: take place um shortly after that, I think at one 153 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: am qual Umpoor Area Control Center. It's like eleven minutes later, 154 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: YEP said, Hey, MH three seventy, you're about to leave 155 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: our jurisdiction and enter ho Chi Min's um jurisdiction. Go 156 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: ahead and contract contact ho chie Man Air Traffic Control 157 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: and let them know you are on with them on 158 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: this frequency. Yeah. I mean, if you remember our air 159 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: Traffic Control podcast, you you're you're handed off, like, don't 160 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: just stick with one air traffic control when you fly 161 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: around the world, you're handed off all along the way, 162 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: whenever you enter the airspace of that whatever district precisely, 163 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: and the way that it's set up is there's not 164 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: supposed to be any time where you're just flying alone 165 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: and then you move into the other one. You're going 166 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: right from one to the other. You want to hand off. 167 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: So um, Captain Zahari responded with good night Malaysian three 168 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: seven zero. Those are the last words anyone heard from 169 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: Captain Zahari as far as we know. And UM, that 170 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: in and of itself was kind of an odd transmission 171 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: because typically any airline captain would have replied with the 172 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: frequency we said the frequency back to confirmed that that 173 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: was the right one. But instead all he said was 174 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: good night Malaysian three seven zero, And very shortly after that, 175 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: two minutes later, um MH three seventy disappeared from the radar. 176 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: The moment it showed up on ho Chi Min air 177 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: Traffic Controls radar screens, it just vanished, right without everyone 178 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: having made contact with them via radio frequency. This should 179 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: have like set off alarms with Ho Chi Minh city, 180 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: and apparently they did notice. Kuala Lumpur didn't notice. The 181 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: guy was they had all this other air traffic to 182 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: deal and they were out of their zone at this point, 183 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: and he'd said good night, and you know everybody knows 184 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: good night. You can't go back on that. You have 185 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: to wait until tomorrow to make contact again. UM. So 186 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: the Kuala Lumpur's I don't know about blameless in this, 187 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: but certainly less blameful than um. Ho Chi Minh and 188 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: Ho Chi min noticed that they just disappeared from the screen, 189 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: but it took them a full eighteen minutes before they 190 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: called Kuala Lumpur and said, hey, do you know anything 191 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: about where MH three seventy is because they kind of 192 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: vanished from our radar. Yeah. Like, I don't know the 193 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: exact process. Um. In their defense, they were trying to 194 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: get in touch. It's not like they just said, well, 195 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. Uh. They got in touch with 196 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: another pilot who was nearby in that airspace to contact them, 197 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: and this this pilot reported there was interference and static. 198 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: I heard mumbling on the other end. But that's the 199 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: last we heard and we lost connection. Right, we're not 200 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: even sure that who he was talking to the right people? Yeah, so, 201 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: I mean they were trying to get in touch, but 202 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: you're right, I think like sooner than eighteen minutes, they 203 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: should have said, by the way, this plane that just 204 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: left your airspace has disappeared, Like, do you know what's 205 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: going on? Right? Protocol, international protocol is five minutes. Okay, 206 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: So they waited thirteen minutes longer than protocol dictated, and 207 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: it was so so much beyond when they should have 208 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: called that the controller and qual Umpoor actually said on 209 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: the record, like, why didn't you call me sooner? How 210 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: are you just calling me about this? That may have 211 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: MISSI have been yesterday, right, it's missing for eighteen minutes, which, 212 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: as we'll get to later on the stuff that came 213 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: up in the investigation, that was just the first step 214 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: in a series of missteps that led to the reason 215 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: why MH three seventy may never be found. Uh So, 216 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: uh should we take a little break and talk about 217 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: radar radar Oriley. We'll be back right after this. Radar Oriley, 218 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: not radar o Riley radar used by air traffic control 219 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: so different. It is different um than radar oriley. Uh. 220 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: This is called secondary radar, and it sends out a 221 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: little beam that um, it's very narrow and it sweeps 222 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: the area. And on board the aircraft they have a 223 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: transponder that to Texas beam and sends their own signal 224 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: back that says this, how fast we're going, is where 225 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: we're headed in a code that says that, and this 226 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: is who I am? Yeah, maybe even m H three 227 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: seventy as simple as that something like that. That's right, 228 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,599 Speaker 1: that's what's supposed to show up on air traffic controls 229 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: radar screen. That's so they can see, oh, here's MH 230 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: three seventy coming toward d L two or whatever at 231 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: this speed. Right, Um, they have all this information and 232 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: it's it's called secondary radar. Primary radar is what you 233 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: think where it's like, um, you know, it's a blip 234 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: on a screen that this big um, this big radar 235 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: ray is is bouncing off of and receiving information back from. 236 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: But it's just you see, it's physically there. This has 237 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: far more information and that's why air traffic control around 238 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: the world uses right. And this is very key because 239 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: just a few seconds after it made that switch over 240 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: into ho Chiman's airspace, the transponder stopped sending information. That 241 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 1: transponder that's supposed to say who you are, where you are, 242 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 1: and how fast you're going just stopped right. It vanished. 243 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: And this is when the ball was dropped by a 244 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: little bit by Kuala lamp Or not noticing, and definitely 245 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: by ho chi Man not doing anything immediately in response 246 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: to Kuala lamp Or so. UM. Primary radar the radar 247 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: that you typically think of when you think of radar. 248 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: That's there are very few places in the world where 249 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: you can't be tracked by someone on radar. It's fairly 250 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: old technology, it's been around for a while. UM. But 251 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: the places where you can't be tracked can be vast 252 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: over the ocean, in the desert, over extremely mountainous or 253 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: wooded areas. There are places where you can't really put 254 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: a radar tower, and there you can disappear from radar. Right. 255 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: There's this I think what I'm trying to say here 256 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: is if you take your plane out of radar range 257 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: and you turn off your transponder, you can make a 258 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: modern airliner as big as a seven s vanish where 259 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: people don't know where it is. And that's a really 260 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: I think hallmark point or trade to this. This mystery 261 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: that kind of like gets people a little unnerved. Is 262 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: wait a minute, like this is the century, this happened 263 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: in two four. What do you mean? There's times and 264 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: situations where an airliner can disappear and people don't know 265 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: where it is. And that was the situation and as 266 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: um Ho Chi Minh City and Kuala Lumpur starting to 267 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: scramble to try to figure out, you know, where this is. 268 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: Apparently they called Malaysian Airlines and said, hey, do you 269 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: know anything about MH three seventy. Malaysian Airlines said, oh yeah, 270 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: they're flying over Cambodia right now, and they're like where, 271 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: what do you how are you seeing this? After an hour, 272 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: finally Malaysian Airlines is like, no, we're just referring to 273 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: the flight plan. They should be over Cambodia right now. 274 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: What do you mean you can't find them? What's what's 275 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: going on? Yeah? But because of that primary radar, uh, 276 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: the secondary radar wasn't functioning like we said, because the 277 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: transponder was off, but the primary radar did track them 278 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: for about an hour after those communications dropped UM because 279 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: of the Malaysian military was able to track it with 280 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: the primary radar. Yeah, apparently it flew through the primary 281 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: radar of five different countries and the only one that 282 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: bothered to track it was Malaysia's um Air Force. But 283 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: they they didn't do anything about it. They didn't follow 284 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: up to see who it was. They didn't scramble any 285 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: jets to go see if everybody was okay, or they 286 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: just knew that there was an unidentified plane flying through 287 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: Malaysian airspace and there force didn't do anything about it. 288 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: This is embarrassing enough that the Air Force didn't reveal 289 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: this to anybody for a while. Which was a really 290 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: important point because during this time, about an hour UM, 291 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: about an hour and a half after the takeoff and 292 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: an hour after the thing disappeared from transponders, the Malaysian 293 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: Air Force was tracking MH three seventy and it saw 294 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: that it seemed to have taken a turn. Yeah, I 295 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: mean they know what happened at this point. For a 296 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: little while, it made a sharp turn that was not 297 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: part of the planned flight plan. No, not at all. 298 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: This is where things definitely took a metaphorical and literal turn. 299 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: It headed southwest at that point, crossed over the Malay Peninsula, 300 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: over Malaysia again and then parts of Thailand. Then it 301 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: made a right turn this is very key near the 302 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: island of Penang, just put a pin in that. Then 303 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,479 Speaker 1: headed west by northwest towards the Andaman Sea, and then 304 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: at two a M vanished from radar, from that primary 305 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: right radar as well. Right, so the Malaysian Air Force 306 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: saw this happen on this radar, didn't tell anybody for 307 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: a while. The flight plan had it leaving Malaysia, crossing 308 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: over the Straight of Malacca um into the Um the 309 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: peninsula where Thailand is located, into China, right just away 310 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: from Malaysia. And from what the Malaysian Air Force saw, 311 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: this thing doubled back on itself and then went in 312 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: some totally different directions, almost the opposite direction it was 313 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: supposed to be going in. And like you said, it 314 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: dropped off of the radar, and that was the last 315 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: time anyone saw it on radar. But that's not the 316 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: last time we were able to track um M H 317 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: three seventy and that's thanks to a satellite network that's 318 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: run by an outfit called in MARSAT. Yeah, so in 319 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: mar SAT. If you've ever been on a plane and 320 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: you've enjoyed the benefits of watching movies, streaming or connected 321 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: to your computer via WiFi, that is because of satellite communication. 322 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: Um these airplane. Airplanes are equipped with a system and 323 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: it transfers data and all their voice communications via satellite. 324 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: And some of this data from the plane is automatically 325 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: shared with these ground tracking stations, which is a really 326 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: big deal. So not only are there letting you watch 327 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: movies and doing all that, but it's sending this automatic 328 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: data on a regular on the rag basically from that 329 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: satellite to these ground stations. Right. So, um, they think 330 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: by this time, Um, actually I believe they know. By 331 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: this time MH three seventies navigational systems, entertainment systems, UH, 332 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,959 Speaker 1: A bunch of its systems have been turned off. The 333 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: only thing that was still operating was this satellite link. Um, 334 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: I guess beacon. It's called a satellite data unit. Okay, 335 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: So the satellite data unit which was capable of of 336 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: contacting and receiving contact from the m mar SAT satellites. Now, 337 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: at the time, no one knows that this is happening right, 338 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: Like there's no sound being made, there's nobody tracking this. 339 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: This all came out much later when m mar Sette 340 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: realized they were sitting on a bunch of data. Um 341 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: But during different points over the next six seven hours, 342 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: the satellite and the satellite data unit talked to each 343 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: other under a few different circumstances. And because of this, 344 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: this company M Marsett, which is located in or headquartered 345 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: in Great Britain, but literally covers the globe, not just 346 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: with airline stuff but maritime thing, which I think where 347 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: they were originally, um they were originally um founded to 348 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: to do is to to enable maritime communications, like you know, 349 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: satellite phone you're calling through in Marsett, right, Um. So 350 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: they've got this whole constellation of satellites and when in 351 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: Marsett heard about MH three seventy, they were like, we're 352 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: all bet our satellites were tracking this thing in some way, 353 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: ship or form. And it turns out that they were right. Yeah, 354 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: And there's four and this is important here. There's four 355 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: different ways um or circumstances where that satellite data unit 356 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: on the plane is communicating with the satellite in space 357 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: whenever you're making a data transmission or a voice transmission. 358 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: Whenever someone on the ground tries to contact the plane. Uh, 359 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: there's something that happens every hour. If no one has 360 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: made either one of these contacts for an hour, you 361 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: get a check in called a handshake. It's just like 362 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: you're still here, shake hand's buddy, Yeah, just want to 363 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: make sure you're logged on. It's kind of like um, 364 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: when you watch too much Netflix and Netflix message, yeah, 365 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: have you finished all the tub of cookie dough yet? Yeah? 366 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: And then as the thing that says go outside, right, 367 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: or actually it doesn't, it says, watch another one, watch 368 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: some more? Why not have some more cookie dough? It's 369 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: the same thing. It's it's sending a message to the 370 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: planes satellite data unit saying like, just are you still 371 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: logged on? And then the final thing, and this is 372 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: super key, is whenever the uh, whenever you first log 373 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: onto the satellite system, that thing on the plane, whenever 374 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: it kind of checks in and links up. That is 375 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,959 Speaker 1: very key because what can also happen if that thing 376 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: goes down and then reboots, It treats that as a 377 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: new log in, so it'll make another ping. Basically that 378 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: it's logged onto the system, right So in mars goes 379 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: back and looks their data and says, okay, so here's 380 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: a couple of things right now. This is I think 381 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: within the first few days, um, everybody is looking in 382 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: the South China Sea for MH three seventy because that 383 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: was what was along its flight plan. The Malaysian Air 384 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: Force hasn't revealed yet that it tracked MH three seventy 385 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: turn around and go the opposite direction of what its 386 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: flight plane was was where it was scheduled to carry it. 387 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: And m Marsett is now saying, wait a minute, this 388 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: thing didn't crash like an hour and a half after takeoff. 389 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: This thing turned around and flew into the Indian Ocean 390 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: for six or seven more hours because our satellite was 391 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: talking to the to the plane at various points during 392 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: this during this time. Yeah, and we should point out 393 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: to after Air France flight four four seven, which crashed 394 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: in two thousand nine. This is when in Marsett really 395 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: kind of beefed up their system. They added more ground 396 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: stations and they added a lot more capability to add 397 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: story age for this data because they know that this 398 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: can really help out in situations like this that was 399 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: a big one too, Um do you remember that one? 400 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: So that one was the first one that really opened 401 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: people's eyes where it was like, wait a minute, when 402 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: we're flying over the ocean, like no one knows where 403 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: we are, and they were like, no, actually not really, um, 404 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: and they I think that's why m MARSAT was like, 405 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: we gotta build more ground stations, we got to bulk 406 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: up our data, data stores, all that stuff, we got 407 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: to add more satellite capabilities, and in doing so, they 408 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: made it so that you could be tracked when you're 409 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: over the ocean, even if you didn't want to be, 410 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: as seems to have been the case with MH three seventy. 411 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: So it was a huge difference between two thousand and four, 412 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: was it two thousand four, two two nine and two 413 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: thousand fourteen just five years the thing proved itself. These 414 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: upgrades they made were substantial. But um Air France flight 415 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: four four seven in and of itself another languish gem 416 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: that just puts you in the seat of this terrifying 417 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: plane crash. Um that one in party killer. They knew 418 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: where the plane was, and it still took two years 419 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: to recover the black boxes and figure out what went wrong, 420 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: which is terrifying. And if you know what happened to 421 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: that one, it's basically the controllers got ripped away but 422 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: from the pilot and it just went right into the ocean, 423 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: and they're still down there. Apparently there was a big 424 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: debate over what to do with these people. When they 425 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: started raising them, they were perfectly preserved because they're so 426 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: deep in the pressure in the anaerobic situation, and yeah, 427 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: the temperature just kept them perfectly preserved. But as they 428 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: were raised up into warmer waters, the decomposition over two 429 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: years just happened immediately. So they I think the French 430 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: government said they have to stay there. It's now a memorial, 431 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: do not try to raise anybody. And they're still down there, 432 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: strapped to their seats, which when you just do not 433 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: think about that the next time you get on a plane, 434 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: it's a terrible thing to think about. I can tell 435 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: you firsthand, you've gotten so much better over the years. 436 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: But I'm sure this isn't going to be a setback. Now. 437 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: I'm hanging in there, all right. Yeah, if it happens, 438 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: it happens, like that's the way I kind of view 439 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: you can do about it. This isn't something that they 440 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: are that you guys are gonna play my memorial at 441 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: my funeral, my last words. But if you're if if 442 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: I go down in a plane crash, my number was 443 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: up right, and everyone else would be like, that's so weird. 444 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: He always talked about it. Yeah, there was. Actually I 445 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: had a tweet once it said, um, if I ever 446 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: go down in a plane crash, I'm going to shout 447 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,719 Speaker 1: I wish I were to spend more time at work. 448 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I get that. Well, you know it's 449 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: like no one ever says that in their deathbed they 450 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: wish they'd spend more time at work. Well I got it. 451 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: An ironic funny on the way. Oh yeah, i'll make 452 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: people laugh. Good for you give them their last laugh. 453 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: So uh, this uh, where they're getting all this information 454 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: was from a ground station in Perth, Australia, a place 455 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: we have been to. It was quite lovely, lovely town. 456 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: That's right, it was great. Uh. Anyone ever tells you 457 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: don't go to Western Australia, You tell them that's b S. 458 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: Because Josh and Chuck said it's great, all right, very stupid. 459 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: So b S stands for So they had a lot 460 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: of data, like we said, because they had beefed up 461 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: their storage capabilities over the past five or six years, 462 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: and they have a couple of types of data. Um 463 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: something called burst timing offset and burst frequency offset b 464 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: t O is it measures how long that a signal 465 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: takes to reach a satellite, you know, the speed of 466 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: the signal, so you know exactly how far that plane 467 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: is from the satellite at that exact moment. It's very 468 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: easy to kind of understand, right, and first taken into account, 469 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: m Marsat has Oh here was a here was a ping, 470 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: here's a pin, here's a pin, here's a pink. Right now, 471 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: they're digging in to analyze these pings and just the 472 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: quality of them, the timing of them, all this stuff, 473 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: because they're like, I'm pretty sure we can figure out 474 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: where this plane was and maybe where it went if 475 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: we really drill in and do some incredible math and 476 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: figure out, uh, just kind of the nature of these pains. Yeah, 477 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: and what they're trying to do here is to narrow 478 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: it down into an arc instead of a circle. Well, 479 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: I think that's just naturally what happened. Oh, yeah, you're right, 480 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 1: you're right. I'm sorry because ed explained in a very 481 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: easy way. If you tell someone, hey, I'm a hundred 482 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: miles from Atlanta, then you draw a circle around Atlanta. 483 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: That's a hundred miles and you could be at any 484 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: point along that circle. But if that phone call was 485 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,479 Speaker 1: from Athens, which is not a hundred miles from Atlanta, 486 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: but it's you know, too far or so. But if 487 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: you said you're from some other city in Georgia, then 488 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: you would know where you were, and if you knew 489 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: how fast you were going, then you could. Really it 490 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: doesn't become a circle, then it becomes an arc. Right, 491 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: the number of points on that circle where that person 492 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 1: could possibly be yes is smaller, yeah, much more or 493 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: maybe by half, maybe by two thirds. And yet so 494 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: the circle becomes an arc. And because of that burst 495 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: timing offset, UM they could establish those those arcs, and 496 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: there were seven of them, I believe, no, they could 497 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: establish the circles. And because of the other one, the 498 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: the BFO, the burst frequency offset, those are more complicated. 499 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: They involved the Doppler effect, and basically UM tell the 500 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: satellite or the satellite data tells in mar set we're 501 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: going in this direction. Because the you know, the Doppler 502 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: effectiveists an ambulance, SIRN is coming to you and then 503 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: changes in pitch. Because of the relative distance and the 504 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: direction that it's traveling. They could tell from this ping 505 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: the satellite ping um, not even a data transmission, just 506 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: to ping which direction thing was headed and roughly how 507 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: fast it was going. And so they were able to 508 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: create seven arcs. And after the seven arcs, the seventh 509 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: arc was created by a pin that took place at 510 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: eight nine am. And after that there was another uh, 511 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: there was a log on request, a handshake request that 512 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: the SDU failed to respond to. And they think that 513 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: in between eight nine am and that last log on 514 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: request at nine fifteen am, the plane finally crashed, probably 515 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: from running out of fuel. Yeah, And they think the 516 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: eight nineteen was from one of those reboots that I 517 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: was talking about when that system comes back on, which 518 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: will come after power failure, right, which will come into 519 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: play pretty soon. Alright, So let's take another break here, Okay, 520 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: all right, we'll be back with the leading theory right 521 00:29:53,040 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: after this. All right, So the leading theory and this 522 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: is uh, the more I read this, the more it 523 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: was Akam's razor kind of staring you in the face. 524 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: Because we'll get into some of the kind of cockamami theories, 525 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: and there are many of them, but this one is 526 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: the simplest, and uh, it's probably what happened. It is 527 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: that uh, someone on board and should we should we 528 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: tease this out? Yeah, okay, someone on board uh took 529 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: control of the plane, disabled that transponder and then started 530 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: flying in the other direction back across Malaysia, then put 531 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: it on autopilot until it ran out of gas and 532 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: it crashed into the ocean. Yeah, about the southern Indian Ocean, 533 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: which is where the southern seventh arc was. Right. One 534 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: of the reasons this makes a lot of sense is 535 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: because that transponder going off at the exact moment when 536 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: the plane transition from Kaua Lampoor's airspace into ho Chi 537 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: Men's it would be an incredible coincidence. If that was 538 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: just an incredible coincidence, that in and of itself says 539 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: that some that there was a human factor involved, like 540 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: someone knew what that meant, right exactly, so somebody who 541 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: knew how to do that when to do it, and um, 542 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: the timing of it was just too spectacular for it 543 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: to have been an accident. Yeah, because what they probably 544 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: counted on is exactly what happened. Was there was a 545 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: period of time. They might have figured five minutes, which 546 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: is what you said the standard was, but what they 547 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: got was eighteen minutes of confusion. I mean they it 548 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: tripled what they were counting on best case scenario. Yeah. Uh. 549 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: The other thing was that the turn that the MH 550 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: three seventy made was so um abrupt that an autopilot 551 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't have done that if you put it. If you 552 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: put a plane on autopilot and have it and it turns, 553 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: it would make a much wider turn. This is a 554 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: hard kind of backtracking turn that it made to its 555 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: left to the southwest from the north. Traveling the northeast, 556 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: the turn was to the southwest. So just the turn alone, 557 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: which came after the transponder was turned off um shows 558 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: that it was under human control. It was a person 559 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: piloting the plane making it turn like right, and that 560 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: rules out things like mechanical failure or fire. Everything from 561 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: meteor strike to the squaw line to any kind of weather. 562 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: It was all that was ruled out by the fact 563 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: that this turn took is clearly under human control. Right. 564 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: That also rules out hypoxia. If you remember the very 565 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: eerie crash for with Golfer plane Pain Stewart on that 566 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: private jet, I don't really remember that. Can you kind 567 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: of refresh my memory? That was and the I think 568 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: the post mortem on that one was that this private 569 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: plane essentially everyone on board died of hypoxia, including the pilots, 570 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: and it flew for a number of hours on autopilot. 571 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: It was a ghost plane essentially. Yeah, so they don't 572 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: think that hypoxia affected whoever was in control of the 573 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: plane because it made that turn. Yeah, it was a 574 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: very deliberate turn, and then it followed a more and 575 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: even more deliberate flight pattern after that. This was not 576 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: random movements of a plane where somebody who was suffering 577 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: from hypoxia but still alive would make. These weren't confused decisions. 578 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: They were and they were difficult to understand to say, 579 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: but they weren't random and confused behavior. They were deliberate. 580 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: That's right. So hip one of the pilots or both 581 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: of the pilots suffering from hypoxia has ruled out um 582 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: and the fact that they were deliberate turns also rules 583 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: out the idea that both of the high, the pilots 584 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: were dead. That again, it was just the plane flying itself, right. Uh. 585 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: These log on requests by that STU unit on the plane. Um, 586 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: it was another big clue there because there was a 587 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: log on request made at one forty three am, and 588 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: that basically says that the power on the plane's electrical 589 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: system was shut off for a period of time in 590 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,919 Speaker 1: between that transponder disappearing and that time of that log 591 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: on request. Right. So someone like purposely disabled, purposefully disabled 592 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: these systems. Right. So one forty three am would have 593 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: been um about an hour after takeoff, just over an 594 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: hour after takeoff, um, after the transponder was turned off 595 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: with perfect timing between Kuala Lumpur and Ho Chi Minh, 596 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: but also um before the turn that that Malaysian Air 597 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 1: Force tracts or at about the same time, right. Um. 598 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: The other thing that could have happened when these when 599 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: the transponder and the STU are shut off, it could 600 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: have depressurized the plane. Um. If that happens, then hypoxy 601 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,959 Speaker 1: is the fear. Those oxygen masks are gonna drop down, 602 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: but you only get about ten minutes of oxygen as 603 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: a passenger. The cockpit is going to have a lot 604 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: more oxygen than that, but we do know for a 605 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: fact from that log on request that the systems will 606 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: all for an hour. So even if that were the case, 607 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: then the masks run out ten minutes later and the 608 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: people die of hypoxy at the passengers shortly after that. 609 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 1: The thing is is they believe that um not only 610 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: was MH three seventies still at cruising altitude, it probably 611 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 1: actually climbed to forty thousand, maybe a little over forty feet. 612 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: It's basically the maximum that a seven seventy seven could 613 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: stay aloft at. So the drop down masks would have 614 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: been totally useless to begin with. There's not enough oxygen 615 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: coming through them to offset that kind of height into 616 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 1: deep pressurized cabin that's meant for a much lower altitude, 617 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: and the reason why I found it very disconcerting to 618 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: learn that there's only like ten or fifteen minutes worth 619 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: of oxygen coming out of those masks. I mean, there's 620 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,959 Speaker 1: the idea there that a plane crash doesn't take longer 621 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: than that. The idea is that it's used for an 622 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: emergency transition down to a much lower altitude where you 623 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: could breathe without a pressurized cabin and that that takes 624 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: less than ten or fifteen minutes. You can do that 625 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: much more quickly a few minutes. So basically you're gonna 626 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: start flying with your own oxygen tank. Basically, Okay, I'll 627 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: be like trying to take it away from the t 628 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 1: you can't do it. Uh. Here's another thing is that 629 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,720 Speaker 1: that STU log on request UM at the end, it's 630 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: it suggests that it was turned back on. And the 631 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: thinking here is that whoever did this UM it probably 632 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: didn't care at that point because it was too late 633 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: because everyone on board was dead. Right. So the idea 634 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 1: of behind all this is that the power was shut off, 635 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 1: and they know that the power was turned off because 636 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: the log on request came at a certain point, right, 637 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: So that means that the power had been shut off 638 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: and it was coming back on. And they think that 639 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: it was to de pressurize the cabin and be a 640 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: very easy way to depressurize the cabin just turn off 641 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: all of the power and then maybe whoever did this 642 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: and we'll get to that. Uh, it was like, I 643 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 1: want to get back down to normal cruising altitude here 644 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: so I can fly this plane UM without wearing a mask. 645 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: Maybe or just in a less stressful environment, right exactly, 646 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,439 Speaker 1: maybe go get a bite to eat or something like that. 647 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: There's a lot of there's a lock that can be 648 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: done in pressurized cabin. And then there was that final arc, 649 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: the seventh one that log on ust was probably the 650 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: plane running out of fuel, and this I thought was 651 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,919 Speaker 1: super interesting. So the plane runs out of fuel, those 652 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: engines shut down, but there's still air pumping through those 653 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,760 Speaker 1: turbines and that's gonna spin the turbine and that's certainly 654 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: not going to be enough to fly your plane, but 655 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: it could be enough to act as a generator and 656 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: power up the auxiliary power system. That's right, super super interesting. Yeah, 657 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: So in the running out of fuel, electrical goes down, 658 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,919 Speaker 1: those air ram jets come on, in the auxiliary power 659 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: system comes on. The thing logs back on just enough 660 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,919 Speaker 1: to get that going again, right exactly. So let's let's 661 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: just before we stop for um this episode, Chuck, let's 662 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,439 Speaker 1: just kind of recap what m Marset has been able 663 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 1: to figure out from seven pings between its satellite and 664 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: the satellite data unit seven pings. They dove into these 665 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 1: things so deeply that they were able to figure out 666 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: that the that the flight did not crash, that it 667 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: um there was probably a hypoxia event among the cabin, 668 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: that it was deliberate, and that the plane kept flying. UM, 669 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: not that it did not crush, but that it kept 670 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,439 Speaker 1: flying for at least six more hours and finally did 671 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: probably crash in the Southern Indian Ocean. All from seven 672 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: little pings between the plane and the satellite. That's right. Uh. 673 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: And then the final little clue here from the satellite 674 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,399 Speaker 1: is the e l T emergency transmitter UM failed. It's 675 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: emergency location transmitter, and that's linked to a different satellite system. 676 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: And one person, if you're conspiracy minded, might say, well, 677 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: you know what this means. It didn't actually crash into 678 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: the ocean. But these e l T s apparently have 679 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: a pretty low success rate. And when you dive into 680 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: the ocean with no power, it's at tremendous speed and 681 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: that would have been enough probably to destroy the plane instantly. 682 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 1: And this e l T there's UM. There's another. So 683 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: there's four I think on the plane. Did you say that. 684 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 1: I didn't say four, So believe there's four on the plane. 685 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,320 Speaker 1: One of them like they can be disabled. It's not 686 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: a black box. By the way, no, no, no, this 687 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,399 Speaker 1: is just a beacon that's pings of satellite but isn't 688 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,359 Speaker 1: even it's a different satellite from m MARSAT, so it's 689 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: like an extra fail safe. And this means that they 690 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,879 Speaker 1: all four of them failed, which again some people think 691 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: that's that's that's evidence right there that this thing didn't 692 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: actually crush. We'll talk about that in the next episode. 693 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,720 Speaker 1: About that, all right, I think we don't do listener 694 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: mails on a part one, so just strap in and 695 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: I hope you can hold off from researching for a 696 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: couple of days on this one. Maybe you have a 697 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: bloody mary while you're waiting. 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