Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 2: And welcome back to another episode of No Sealers Podcast
Speaker 2: with your host. Now, fuck that with your loaw glasses, Malone.
Speaker 2: This is some crazy shit and I can't believe we
Speaker 2: having another conversation about this. But there's two problems. One
Speaker 2: problem is people still don't understand the definition of snitching.
Speaker 2: That's one problem. Yes, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 2: I get why because with street times, this is why
Speaker 2: we need to write the cryption area. This is why,
Speaker 2: because I think people Google and it's like, you can't
Speaker 2: trust Google with street y know, with slang, with culture
Speaker 2: like it it's Google.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like, if I'm not writing for maybe I'll need to
Speaker 2: apply to write all of.
Speaker 1: The slang parts for Google, like a cultural things for Google.
Speaker 2: They need to come, like I need to pitch that,
Speaker 2: I need to send them niggas my resume.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 4: I agree, and we could do the you do the
Speaker 4: cryption area, and then to keep it, you know, from
Speaker 4: being one and done, you could have the Cryptcyclopedia where
Speaker 4: your new volumes continue to come out all the time like.
Speaker 1: That, like that the Sea Cyclopedia.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Encyclopedia, Yeah, the Encyclopoedia, the c Cyclopedia for t yeah.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's these that have Britannica gonna be critic Cryptannica.
Speaker 2: So anyway, So one they don't know the definition. They
Speaker 2: don't know the definition of snitches.
Speaker 3: Still, I think it's deeper than that.
Speaker 1: But two, you know what else it is, it's people who.
Speaker 2: Okay, when you start living your life in the streets,
Speaker 2: right you you are raising the culture of things. It's
Speaker 2: not so much that somebody sits you down the day.
Speaker 2: I mean, no different than being an Italian, right, nobody
Speaker 2: sits you down and say, hey, Pete, this is how
Speaker 2: you be Italian.
Speaker 1: Hey Pete.
Speaker 2: It's like you learn over time the culture. So also
Speaker 2: you learn the nuances of it. Now, there are rules
Speaker 2: that when you're talking to people outside of culture and
Speaker 2: you say, hey, these are the rules, you try to
Speaker 2: give it to them in a real brief kind of like.
Speaker 1: In a really simplistic way.
Speaker 2: So like culturally, you know, when you start talking about
Speaker 2: any level of street, urban culture or criminals period. Don't
Speaker 2: talk to the police is the general context of the conversation.
Speaker 2: Do not make statements to the police, right, don't make statements.
Speaker 2: They'll simplify say, don't talk to the police. Now that
Speaker 2: doesn't mean the police that drive by your house you
Speaker 2: can't say hi, or if the police say hey, what's
Speaker 2: going on, or you can't say that. It's a nuance
Speaker 2: that shouldn't have to be explained because culturally you're raised.
Speaker 1: To understand it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody's gonna call you a snitch if somebody breaks
Speaker 2: in your car, right, if somebody breaks in your fucking
Speaker 2: car and steals your shit, if you call the police
Speaker 2: and get a police report to get your insurance, nobody's
Speaker 2: going to call you a snitch.
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna call you a snitch.
Speaker 2: But even though the rule to the general population when
Speaker 2: we're talking about this is don't talk to the police,
Speaker 2: that's not what that means.
Speaker 1: And it's tough because it's nuances.
Speaker 2: And that's my problem is when we're trying to translate
Speaker 2: the culture to the uncultured, that's the problem. It's like
Speaker 2: trying to tell someone who doesn't have soul how to
Speaker 2: make soul food. Like if you see people like if
Speaker 2: you see old sisters, like, oh.
Speaker 1: Black women cook, they don't need a measuring cup.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, if you watch an old Northern
Speaker 2: Italian lady make a pizza, you know what I mean
Speaker 2: that came from the ghettos of Italy.
Speaker 1: She doesn't really need a measuring cup. She just does
Speaker 1: this shit right.
Speaker 2: And when the uncultured tried to do it, they need
Speaker 2: a measuring cup because they don't have the years and
Speaker 2: years of not just experience, but the lineage of soul
Speaker 2: to connect to. And that's the thing with freed urban
Speaker 2: culture in general, like it's certain things that we know
Speaker 2: without even having to say. Like I watched so many
Speaker 2: people make It's been so many conversations over the last
Speaker 2: week or two about people talking snitching stuff, and it's
Speaker 2: just irritating me so much because it's simple. It's fucking simple.
Speaker 2: But I'm starting to realize it's only simple to me. Sure,
Speaker 2: if somebody called the police and reported it to they
Speaker 2: insurance company says somebody broke in their car, I know
Speaker 2: that's not snitchy. Yeah, if somebody you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Even if a gangster knew somebody was raping or a
Speaker 2: pedophile when he called the police, I wouldn't call that
Speaker 2: person a snitch. Nobody in the community would call that
Speaker 2: person a snitch. They might call him a bitch because
Speaker 2: that he didn't kill the person who was who was
Speaker 2: the pedophile. But they're not going to call him a snitch.
Speaker 2: They're not going to disassociate themselves with him because he
Speaker 2: told the police on a pedophile. They're going to call
Speaker 2: him a bitch because they're gonna be like, why you didn't
Speaker 2: do nothing to this motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Sure, I'll go a step further.
Speaker 4: The way it boils down to me when I look
Speaker 4: at it, you have, as you said before, if you're
Speaker 4: in the underworld lifestyle or whatever, you're committed to that
Speaker 4: that's where you are. You have a responsibility to uphold
Speaker 4: that lifestyle.
Speaker 1: It becomes your standards.
Speaker 4: On Similarly, if you're in general society, you have a
Speaker 4: responsibility to uphold the standards for that lifestyle. It's a tradition, yes,
Speaker 4: and they're both necessary for the sustainability of each world.
Speaker 3: Sure, if you're not.
Speaker 4: Testifying and doing your job to clean up your normal
Speaker 4: world lifestyle, you're failing in your commitment to your community.
Speaker 4: If you're snitching out and corroding the underworld, you're failing
Speaker 4: your commitment to that community.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So, therefore, if you're it comes down to people failing
Speaker 4: to buy into who exactly they really are. If you're
Speaker 4: if you're a square, you shouldn't even be allowed to.
Speaker 3: Say the word snitch.
Speaker 1: Exactly. You shouldn't.
Speaker 4: It's not even your business to criticize somebody else for stitching,
Speaker 4: because they're doing what is supposed to happen in your world.
Speaker 3: You should be happy about.
Speaker 1: That, exactly.
Speaker 2: I have said something happened with Drake where he got
Speaker 2: robbed at that that whatever, that Asian food spot in
Speaker 2: Toronto that Kendrick made a popular newhaut King. I forgot
Speaker 2: the name of it. I got the New Hauk King.
Speaker 2: They got the Kendrick Special or the Kato Special whatever.
Speaker 2: But Drake got robbed there, right, and he called the police.
Speaker 1: He gave a statement. Right.
Speaker 2: Somebody asked me why I didn't care, Like why didn't
Speaker 2: you say nothing then? And I'm like, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: nothing now. Drake should have called the police. He's reported
Speaker 2: to the proper authority because Drake is not thugging. You know,
Speaker 2: I never cared that Lil Wayne had a problem with
Speaker 2: Drake oversleeping with the girl, or why Puff put his
Speaker 2: hands on him and he didn't fight back, or y
Speaker 2: t I's man pissed on him and he didn't do nothing.
Speaker 2: You know why I never had a problem with that
Speaker 2: or never called Drake out of his name over that,
Speaker 2: because Drake is not that kind of person.
Speaker 1: He's a general population person.
Speaker 2: Now I can get if he's starting to confuse himself,
Speaker 2: if he's starting to walk the thin line, because when
Speaker 2: you look at certain things like what's going on with
Speaker 2: them and the exol camp, you know, the weekend's camp.
Speaker 2: And Okay, a security guard at one of the primary people's.
Speaker 1: House, cash House, right, Cash House, gets shot.
Speaker 2: And then somebody at Drake's at the embassy in Toronto,
Speaker 2: the sound security guard that works not the same security
Speaker 2: guard rather, but a security guard that works almost in
Speaker 2: the same position, he gets shot. Now I'm starting to worry, Like, bro,
Speaker 2: are you playing street?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Are you playing street like?
Speaker 2: This is something you don't play with, Like, yes, you
Speaker 2: have tons of money, tons of resources, but that's not.
Speaker 1: What this is about. Like they will find a way
Speaker 1: and they will break you down.
Speaker 2: If you didn't grow up in this culturally, it's not
Speaker 2: something you pick up and play with you. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's why I never called him a snitch, because I
Speaker 2: knew he was a part of general population, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean?
Speaker 2: In Gunner situation, like, see, I don't know him, but
Speaker 2: I'm listening to what he's saying. Now, Drake is different
Speaker 2: because I do kind of have knowledge of who he is.
Speaker 2: I've met him, I've interacted with him. Some people I
Speaker 2: really fuck with interact with him, so I know he's
Speaker 2: a part of general population minus all the conversations Gunner shit,
Speaker 2: you hang in around some pretty unsavory characters. That's really
Speaker 2: good guys in my world, and you're saying you're a
Speaker 2: crypt so.
Speaker 1: I'm taking you at face value.
Speaker 2: Now my homie is just telling me, like last is no,
Speaker 2: he has never been in this life.
Speaker 1: And he's like, you remember he had the Crime.
Speaker 2: Stoppers video where or the video on the news where
Speaker 2: his cousin got shot.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: It's like, you think we would have let him come
Speaker 2: up in the world of hip hop and talk that
Speaker 2: shit if we thought, you know what I mean, he
Speaker 2: was like us. And then he told or he did
Speaker 2: that video that would be a problem and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I'm like, but why would y'all?
Speaker 2: And then it hit me like, of course hip hop
Speaker 2: is not going to get in the way of people
Speaker 2: that come from the community trying to change their life economically, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.
Speaker 2: We understand they stand up dudes, but it's weird when
Speaker 2: you see people that don't tell you anything, so like
Speaker 2: it's crazy to learn, like, now, oh, he's not like
Speaker 2: that at all. He's just not like that. So now
Speaker 2: it's like, then, well is he a snitch because you
Speaker 2: know he he you know, because he folded on thug
Speaker 2: and took a deal where he had to admit where
Speaker 2: he said other people around him. First off, in a
Speaker 2: rico case, if you emit someone's a gang, you're you're
Speaker 2: pretty much making him lose the case because that's the point.
Speaker 2: And if you emit crimes were happening in the name
Speaker 2: of this alleged gang, guess what that's you. You're helping
Speaker 2: them convict on a rico charge. Now, if they're gonna
Speaker 2: be at a hit him with all the rest of
Speaker 2: the stuff is different. But if you're telling me now
Speaker 2: that Gunn had never been that, then shit, now I
Speaker 2: look stupidcause it's like, oh, this is a general my bad.
Speaker 2: I thought he was like us. I thought anybody who's
Speaker 2: talking like this, And then I had to kind of
Speaker 2: correct myself because Drake is talking like this and I
Speaker 2: know better.
Speaker 4: Sure some of that is like, well, if you're not,
Speaker 4: you know, with that lifestyle, you shouldn't even have the knowledge.
Speaker 4: You know, at some point, why are you even able
Speaker 4: to viably testify about any of this shit.
Speaker 3: If you're not you know what I'm saying. Well, it's
Speaker 3: like like.
Speaker 4: Like he should be insulated from enough viable information, Like
Speaker 4: if you're responsible, if Thug is responsible and stuff like that, sure,
Speaker 4: why would you why you got squares playing tag along
Speaker 4: and doing right along?
Speaker 3: Like it's you know what I'm saying, it's not an internship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 2: Doug probably had did mess up if he was in
Speaker 2: any of that, any of that situation.
Speaker 1: Thug messed up, You're right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean otherwise it's like, are these people uh
Speaker 4: uh you know credible criminal syndicate?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Why do you think that? I don't really heard that
Speaker 4: they were. That's not the most viable testimony. I was
Speaker 4: there when they did a B C D e FG
Speaker 4: is more viable. And there you have it.
Speaker 2: It's crazy because as much as I like I tell
Speaker 2: Head all the time, I'm like like DJ Head, like
Speaker 2: you came up in the streets, so you know the rules.
Speaker 2: Like Head very much is somebody who came up in
Speaker 2: the streets. Now it's Head ever really committed crimes, I'm
Speaker 2: sure to some degree, like some some minor infractions. You know,
Speaker 2: he's a skateboarder, so I'm sure he's skateboarder at some places.
Speaker 2: But Head understands the rules. But you're right as somebody
Speaker 2: that really as somebody that's thugging. I would like when
Speaker 2: stuff would happen, I would tell here like, hey, if
Speaker 2: this go down, go get the car.
Speaker 1: Just go get the car. Yo.
Speaker 2: If something start, just go he like, glasses, I'm not
Speaker 2: no punk, and I'm like, it's not about being a punk,
Speaker 2: Like I think you will fight everybody here. I don't
Speaker 2: think that you are scared to have a fist fight.
Speaker 2: You a man, I said, But if it starts to
Speaker 2: become something illegal, I don't want you to have to
Speaker 2: put these things, you know what I mean. I don't
Speaker 2: want to have to put you the task to where
Speaker 2: you see these things. Now, now you have to stand
Speaker 2: up somewhere that you really kept yourself out of all
Speaker 2: these problems. Hell Pun, you know, shout out to Pun,
Speaker 2: shout out to means and different people that I know
Speaker 2: that came up from the same background like me, thugging,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even let them get in trouble. Shout out
Speaker 2: to a Shad Chad's new Cali catering. When Shad would
Speaker 2: be around me, I wouldn't even let them get in trouble.
Speaker 2: I'm like, my goal for y'all is to get you
Speaker 2: out of the same trouble like this got me out
Speaker 2: of the troubles that I was in. So I wouldn't
Speaker 2: even let them get into Shenanigan or try to start fighting.
Speaker 2: I'm like a calm down. We didn't come way up
Speaker 2: here to do the same thing we was doing around
Speaker 2: the corner from home.
Speaker 3: So, and there's exposure in both ways.
Speaker 4: It's likely you bring people around now they're exposed to
Speaker 4: being some loosely defined participant, so it exposes them to risk,
Speaker 4: which they're going to want to offload, which exposes in
Speaker 4: turn you to risk.
Speaker 2: Well, it brings me to my thought, and it's with
Speaker 2: how long would you say?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: It's not fair people, because you very much are general population,
Speaker 2: but you have an edge and you do have a
Speaker 2: nuance about you that can understand a little more layers
Speaker 2: than the average person in general population about street life.
Speaker 2: And I think it's because you're somebody who has truly
Speaker 2: self self appointed, like you have shame and you have
Speaker 2: dignity like you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: You care waha way more shame.
Speaker 2: Shame in twenty twenty four when they're trying to purge
Speaker 2: everyone of shame, says a lot about you.
Speaker 1: So I can, I can honor you. I can.
Speaker 2: I'm honored to have this conversation with you, even as
Speaker 2: a person shat you feel me? So, how long would
Speaker 2: be a good enough time? How long would be a
Speaker 2: nice amount of time before you take a person that's
Speaker 2: in the underworld or in the criminal lifestyle and then
Speaker 2: they change their life and they become a person in
Speaker 2: general population to where they can run a business and
Speaker 2: use the police assistance like any other taxpaying citizen in America.
Speaker 2: How far removed do you have to be from thugging
Speaker 2: from thug them?
Speaker 4: Depends on the person, It depends on the circumstances. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'll say it could be twenty four hours. If you're
Speaker 4: doing square shitty, you're done with that and you're gonna
Speaker 4: deal with square things in a square way.
Speaker 3: Then that's what you do. If you know you're being
Speaker 3: If you still have old beefs that.
Speaker 4: Come after you, whatever the hell, then you know how
Speaker 4: you want to settle those is how you want to
Speaker 4: settle those. But like if it's if you did whatever
Speaker 4: two years ago and it's not under it hasn't expired yet,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But you've changed your life.
Speaker 4: You're still liable for those things that you did when
Speaker 4: you were in that life. You can't walk away from
Speaker 4: that and now testify on them because I'm out now.
Speaker 4: You did that on the day that you did that,
Speaker 4: So that's with you as long as that thing is
Speaker 4: available to be with you.
Speaker 1: But that's fair, you know.
Speaker 4: But once you're done, you don't have to. You know,
Speaker 4: somebody wants to threaten and extort you because you opened
Speaker 4: up a hardware store and you're done. If you're done,
Speaker 4: and every and and the people around you who you
Speaker 4: did stuff with acknowledge that you're done in this cold and.
Speaker 3: Go ahead and say, hey man, blah blah blah, peat
Speaker 3: I'm being extorted by bib over there. I'm just trying
Speaker 3: to run a square hardware store.
Speaker 1: Do you think you have to separate from the crowd.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about that, right, Like, is it fair
Speaker 2: to say you're not thugging if the crowd you still
Speaker 2: hanging around is thugging, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Because there has to be understanding.
Speaker 4: The crowd has to know that you're not, and you
Speaker 4: have to know that you're not, and you have to
Speaker 4: understand it's cool to play dominoes at the barbecue, but
Speaker 4: it isn't cool to ride along in the shit if
Speaker 4: that's not what you want to be involved in. Because
Speaker 4: I've been at enough of those things, with enough of
Speaker 4: those people, enough of those times.
Speaker 3: My limitations know what I do and don't do.
Speaker 1: Sure, I was thinking same thing. I was just thinking
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: And I was like, Bunbee is going through this case right,
Speaker 2: and somebody tried to well, they did a home invasion
Speaker 2: on his home and the burglar or the perpetrator end
Speaker 2: up getting shot. This is twenty nineteen roughly, so they
Speaker 2: ran up on Bunn and his wife Queenie. Shout out
Speaker 2: to Bun real stand up brother. Always has been rest
Speaker 2: in peace, pimp. But is it wrong that I look
Speaker 2: at Bun like bun has been so successful for the
Speaker 2: last twenty years?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean even before that.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about since I've met him in pimping them, right,
Speaker 2: They've been successful for so long that I know Bun
Speaker 2: is not of this life anymore.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I think Bun lived the life at one time that
Speaker 2: was a little bit more street, But I don't think
Speaker 2: Bunn has lived a street life.
Speaker 1: And I don't know.
Speaker 2: Fifteen years at best, you know what I'm saying. This
Speaker 2: man opened a burger franchise, you I mean, he's been
Speaker 2: a successful rapper, you know what I mean, a pundit
Speaker 2: on television shows when it comes to black issues and rites.
Speaker 2: And I saw somebody post him on a stand in
Speaker 2: him crying, going through this deep memory of how it
Speaker 2: has messed his wife up to where you know she
Speaker 2: was really should because somebody came into the place that's
Speaker 2: supposed to be private for you. Sure, that's supposed to
Speaker 2: be private for you, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 2: somebody came and invaded that space and it left a crazy,
Speaker 2: you know, like effect on his old lady, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, on Queenie. And it's like he has to
Speaker 2: tell because this is part of his case. This dude
Speaker 2: got shot. It could put Bun in trouble, you know,
Speaker 2: him defending his household, and I saw a thread of people,
Speaker 2: young people, people who work at Cuba kudezk calling him
Speaker 2: a snitch, and I'm like, like, this is the problem.
Speaker 2: This is why I made that big deal out of
Speaker 2: declaring Drake is not hip hop, because you have to
Speaker 2: understand the type of people that can be held accountable
Speaker 2: and that should be speaking for the culture of this life.
Speaker 2: Because if you have people that speak for this culture
Speaker 2: that don't quite understand it, even if they don't have
Speaker 2: the same opinion as me, they have some kind of
Speaker 2: opinion that's rooted in a level of that's not fear,
Speaker 2: Like it's too many people speaking on things based out
Speaker 2: of fear.
Speaker 1: But back to the bunch.
Speaker 2: So it's a thread of young people who probably work
Speaker 2: at cubicles calling this man a snitch, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's not what that means. And it's so frustrating because
Speaker 2: it's like, bro, like, it's a really simple thing if
Speaker 2: you was raised into it culturally.
Speaker 1: And it hit me.
Speaker 2: It's so many black people in America that are not
Speaker 2: culturally involved with shit. They are really Americans. They are
Speaker 2: fucking Americans. And I'm talking about Pete, real Americans. I'm
Speaker 2: talking about American American. They as American as America, and
Speaker 2: they feel like because their skin is dark or because
Speaker 2: white people don't like them, that they are a part
Speaker 2: of the culture. And it's like, no fool, you're getting
Speaker 2: treated like that way because white people treat everybody that
Speaker 2: way that's not white in America, and some people that's
Speaker 2: white in America they mistreat them. And just separating Black
Speaker 2: culture versus Black experience, I keep saying, this Black culture
Speaker 2: is how people treat each other. The Black experience is
Speaker 2: how somebody treats you, right, treats black people. But if
Speaker 2: you don't treat other black people in this way, how
Speaker 2: do you talk to them? When I see a brother, Pete,
Speaker 2: it's a way I speak to him.
Speaker 1: It's when we cook, when we eat, it's the way
Speaker 1: we eat.
Speaker 2: It's things we do that create the culture of what
Speaker 2: being a brother in America is all about. It's not
Speaker 2: just being mistreated by white people. Mexican people get mistreated
Speaker 2: by white American peak. Every fucking body, Italian, Irish people
Speaker 2: get mistreated by the white person in America. And I'm
Speaker 2: not saying one gets treated worse or I'm just saying
Speaker 2: everybody feels that treatment, so the experience cannot be the
Speaker 2: thing you hang off of.
Speaker 1: Which is why people feel entitled to.
Speaker 2: Judge this man and think that they have a right
Speaker 2: to even use this fucking term in a way that's
Speaker 2: incorrect and fucking silly. Nobody from the streets would ever
Speaker 2: call Bun a snitch in this situation. Nobody that ever
Speaker 2: grew up in our life peak, not even people with
Speaker 2: sense like you who didn't grow up in this life.
Speaker 1: You would use sense and be like, that's different, that's different.
Speaker 2: Like people wonder why the nuance of what's going on
Speaker 2: with Cowboy you know Nips Big Hommy from sixty Thunderhead, right,
Speaker 2: they don't understand that there's a nuance that we all
Speaker 2: know as.
Speaker 1: People that really lived in the streets.
Speaker 2: We'll look at him like, ah, I'm gonna just stay
Speaker 2: away from that one because it's a little more tricky.
Speaker 2: What was said in court is a little bit more tricky,
Speaker 2: you know, talking to the police, it's nuanced, So you
Speaker 2: usually just stay the fuck out of it because you
Speaker 2: don't have the details and it's not your business to politico,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But again, if people want
Speaker 2: to make it like there's this fine line of what's
Speaker 2: snitching in and what's not. Then you don't understand the line.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think you know, from an outsider's perspective,
Speaker 4: there is a degree a portion maybe of a black
Speaker 4: community that has a little bit of identity crisis in
Speaker 4: so far as how they want to perceive themselves. And
Speaker 4: if they're not really in the quote cultural epicenter of
Speaker 4: the community, then I think there's some validity to the
Speaker 4: idea that hip hop has provided them access to being
Speaker 4: or feeling like they are a little closer to the
Speaker 4: epicenter of the community than maybe they actually are.
Speaker 3: And they don't really might so much know.
Speaker 4: The nuanced difference between the two, so they take what
Speaker 4: they hear, distilled lines or whatever, out of context from
Speaker 4: their access bridge and then yeah, take them and run
Speaker 4: with them beyond the narrow confines which they exist in
Speaker 4: that episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2: That's the tricky part about when people say hip hop
Speaker 2: is black culture. I get the jest of it. Shout
Speaker 2: out to Tarik, another brother, I really respect. I mean,
Speaker 2: everybody knows how much I really hidden Colors is just like, man,
Speaker 2: it's incredible it's I'm a huge fan of Tarika and
Speaker 2: I talked to the brother brilliant dude, so he just
Speaker 2: did a really dope film on hip hop and it
Speaker 2: talks about the hip hop's black roots, right, which fairness
Speaker 2: is true, right? And I get it. And I have
Speaker 2: to be okay with people saying hip hop is black culture.
Speaker 2: I don't necessary. I think we could get a little
Speaker 2: bit more detailed, you know what I mean, But I
Speaker 2: think it's I get it. We're trying to hold onto something, right,
Speaker 2: But truly, hip hop is street urban culture personified through
Speaker 2: the arts. Truly, it just happened to be Pete. At
Speaker 2: that current time in New York, in the Bronx, black
Speaker 2: people made up ninety eight percent of street urban culture,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Things the way we lived,
Speaker 2: you know, the spades, the Black gang the way we live,
Speaker 2: created all of the slang, all of the dancing style,
Speaker 2: all of the graffiti style. Ninety eight ninety nine percent
Speaker 2: is just us.
Speaker 1: So I get why people need to hold that. And
Speaker 1: really it's more.
Speaker 2: General population black people that feel more entitled to it
Speaker 2: than we When you come from the ghetto like where
Speaker 2: we live, which hip hop culture comes from it's natural.
Speaker 1: You don't even think.
Speaker 2: You almost mistake that everybody black talks like this. It's
Speaker 2: like when I would walk somewhere and I would speak
Speaker 2: slang to black people and they didn't get what I
Speaker 2: was saying. It would almost fuck me up because I'd
Speaker 2: be like, you don't get what I'm saying, Like, and
Speaker 2: it hit me that the ghettos make up this really
Speaker 2: small population in this country. Like when people say La
Speaker 2: is not dangerous, like La is dangerous, I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: Los Angeles, the city is huge. It's not just Watts
Speaker 2: or Compter like where I grew up at, or Long Beach,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, the county or or you know,
Speaker 2: the city. Forgive me, including Long Beach in the city.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying like Brentwood is in the city of
Speaker 2: Los Angeles. P Kueima is in the city of Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Hollywood Sam Pedro is a neighborhood in the city of
Speaker 2: Los Angeles. So there's a lot of places in Los
Speaker 2: Angeles that are not exactly like Watts or Compton.
Speaker 1: Don't get me.
Speaker 2: Wrong, they could have some shit, but it's different. And
Speaker 2: then some of these places don't have no shit going on.
Speaker 2: So most more times than not, there's not a bunch
Speaker 2: of crime, you know what I'm saying. So I have
Speaker 2: to remember the way that I grew up and people
Speaker 2: like me grew up. It's not the standard for America.
Speaker 2: That's what makes hip hop special. Listen, almost every state,
Speaker 2: every state in this country has black people. Every state
Speaker 2: in this country has black people. I'm not sure every
Speaker 2: state in this country has a ghetto.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you.
Speaker 3: Have, depending on your definition, you know what I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying, where they have the ghetto things happening, Like, I
Speaker 2: don't think every state in this country has a ghetto.
Speaker 2: It can change because I know certain places like when
Speaker 2: you start getting to that western part that's close to
Speaker 2: the midwestern Dakotas and certain places like that, Like I
Speaker 2: know Omaha has a ghetto, but North Dakota, I think
Speaker 2: the ghetto, if I remember correctly, would be like Indian people, like.
Speaker 3: It's more of a start getting into the risk where it's.
Speaker 1: Started being rural.
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm saying in that regards a ghetto
Speaker 2: is in a city, it's a densely populated thing.
Speaker 1: It's not really.
Speaker 4: You might get some really down and out small you know,
Speaker 4: white trailer park communities that are just the government.
Speaker 2: If it's not, you know, ghettos are in cities like
Speaker 2: there are a poor life that's hell of rural. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and and so it's different. It's still a little different,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: And that's on a related, unrelated note.
Speaker 4: I found it so odd driving back or in and
Speaker 4: out of out of the state of Alabama to go
Speaker 4: look at some properties in Montgomery. A few times we
Speaker 4: actually pull up on these tiny, little like truck stop
Speaker 4: towns with a seven to eleven, a gas station in
Speaker 4: the general store, and public housing projects in the.
Speaker 3: Middle of the field. It's the middle of nowhere. I'm like,
Speaker 3: they got more rural projects out here. I don't know
Speaker 3: how the hell has even happened.
Speaker 4: And I was like, boy, if you if you were
Speaker 4: born there, God, that's got to be the most uphill
Speaker 4: battle in this country. Not only are you poor in
Speaker 4: the projects, you are geographically a long, long fucking way
Speaker 4: from exposure to anything else. You might as well just
Speaker 4: tell your kids, Look, kids, I probably shouldn't have had you,
Speaker 4: but you're here.
Speaker 3: Your game plan is graduate high school, join the army,
Speaker 3: get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1: Mmm.
Speaker 4: It sounds sounds like a shitty thing to say. No,
Speaker 4: I mean, my god, what else are you gonna do?
Speaker 4: What the fuck else are you gonna do?
Speaker 2: But but you have to take that series because it's like,
Speaker 2: even growing up in wats it feels like six sense
Speaker 2: is far and it's close. Success is so far, but
Speaker 2: it's so many people, so distracting you don't realize how
Speaker 2: close it is because it feels like it's infinity. No,
Speaker 2: that can't take the ground in Alabama beach. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: that till you talking about in Alabama. That is the
Speaker 2: real deal version of that. Whereas like where's the success
Speaker 2: at Yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Mean not only like you can't see success like you're
Speaker 4: you you're so fucking far, and and and the cost,
Speaker 4: the actual cost to just go see where any kind
Speaker 4: of innovation is happening at all. Hm, I mean it
Speaker 4: would take it would shatter your budget for a month
Speaker 4: just to go see where things are happening somewhere in
Speaker 4: real life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a that's a real fact. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It started just to frustrate me, man. And sometimes that's
Speaker 2: how I'm getting older and wiser. I'm getting older because
Speaker 2: some of this shit is starting to be stupid. And
Speaker 2: it's pissing me off. Too many things is starting to
Speaker 2: be just stupid and pissing me off. But I'm getting
Speaker 2: older because I can also tell I have enough wisdom
Speaker 2: not to argue. I have enough wisdom not to inform
Speaker 2: people of their silliness. It's like, you're not really even
Speaker 2: You're not special enough to even you're not gamed up
Speaker 2: enough to even have this conversation. You can't even digest
Speaker 2: what I'm finna say to you, like when I talk
Speaker 2: to certain people, if I can't talk to them, like
Speaker 2: me to you, like if I have to talk because
Speaker 2: people are especially in today's time, because people are different
Speaker 2: in front of other people. So social media makes people
Speaker 2: feel like they're in front of other people, so you
Speaker 2: can't have a real conversation.
Speaker 1: I mean, people are guarded.
Speaker 2: They're putting on the show because they don't want to
Speaker 2: be viewed socially in a certain way. So you have
Speaker 2: to have these conversations in person, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I couldn't go down that list of people and
Speaker 2: talk to them and say, hey, man, that's not how
Speaker 2: snitching works, and then use my one hundred and forty
Speaker 2: characters on X and explain to them why, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, because they won't they're too busy defending
Speaker 2: and worried about social perception to be educated on the topic. True,
Speaker 2: they don't want to again shame that not having shame,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And people don't want to
Speaker 2: admit they're ignorant on something. Yeah, they just want to
Speaker 2: have content. They want to provide content. They want to following.
Speaker 2: They want people to follow them even though they haven't
Speaker 2: done anything worth following.
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, some of the challenges with
Speaker 4: aspects of like the culture or hip hop or whatever
Speaker 4: I ever you want to describe it as, there's not
Speaker 4: a really good lie.
Speaker 3: Like a lot of rappers they're cool.
Speaker 4: They're like, I've never met a rapper who didn't have
Speaker 4: like a lot of personality or very.
Speaker 3: Interesting to talk to, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: You can't do that if you're like a dead pan
Speaker 4: whatever the fuck just bump on a law and the
Speaker 4: stuff they talk about tends to have in a lot
Speaker 4: of cases some criminal elements to it. And I think
Speaker 4: a lot of average listeners, well, they can't separate the two.
Speaker 4: They see, Wow, that guy's really cool and he's talking
Speaker 4: about this so this must be really cool.
Speaker 3: The guy is really cool. He's talking about this, but
Speaker 3: he's really cool. You don't have to do this to
Speaker 3: be cool.
Speaker 4: You can just like the guy or be like his
Speaker 4: personality and you're still cool, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So that they start to conflate and they don't understand it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, forgive me, and I was about that.
Speaker 2: I said that really badly. I fucked that up aat.
Speaker 2: I know what you mean is. But it's also like
Speaker 2: when people talk about drill music. The average person who
Speaker 2: hears drill music, especially when the narrative is being guided, Oh,
Speaker 2: it's just murder rap, and it's like, that's not what's
Speaker 2: going on. Like you're listening to little kids tell you
Speaker 2: soldier stories, right, Like It's like if our grandpa, Like
Speaker 2: if we was on a porch in nineteen forty nine
Speaker 2: and our grandfather had just came back from World War
Speaker 2: Two and he was telling the stories and he was
Speaker 2: telling us how people were dying, we wouldn't call it, oh, you're.
Speaker 1: Just telling murder stories.
Speaker 2: We would give credence to you know what he's talking about,
Speaker 2: because in our mind we would respect the war. I
Speaker 2: think most people don't hear drill music from Chicago and
Speaker 2: really respect the war. I respect it because I know
Speaker 2: how people get I know how fights happen, and I
Speaker 2: know how you have to defend yourself.
Speaker 1: I know how far I can go.
Speaker 2: So when I hear it, I hear the nuances of
Speaker 2: you know what I mean of a soldier, Like I
Speaker 2: don't want to hear Jeffrey Damer rap about eating people.
Speaker 2: I mean there's actually a rapper that used to be
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that this is kind of where that.
Speaker 4: Murky, like poorly defined glamorizing and glorification of violence conversation
Speaker 4: comes in because you have a cool person telling a
Speaker 4: bad story in a cool way.
Speaker 3: So it's so I think people.
Speaker 4: Think, oh, they must be saying that the content in
Speaker 4: the story is cool because they're cool telling a story
Speaker 4: in a cool way.
Speaker 3: And it's not like that.
Speaker 1: You know what it is.
Speaker 2: And I know you hate this, peete, because but just
Speaker 2: think about it. True, like you one of my buddies,
Speaker 2: bro who as a white man, you do care about nuances.
Speaker 2: But I do know that no matter what, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be certain places that's gonna be like, why don't you're
Speaker 2: not gonna say glass. I don't know that you're gonna
Speaker 2: have it. You're not gonna be like totally vested and
Speaker 2: just make some shit up. But you won't get you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's something you want, let me
Speaker 2: try it out. You ever notice how people respect cowboys
Speaker 2: stories and all cowboys are criminals?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: This this is I say.
Speaker 4: I say this about my whole monologue about the difference
Speaker 4: between the perception of film and music. Sure, you could
Speaker 4: make a movie about cowboys and the mafia and it's
Speaker 4: a great movie. You make a death metal song and
Speaker 4: a rap song about decay and death and depression, and
Speaker 4: you're going to court because somebody committed something and they're
Speaker 4: gonna say that they did it because of your music,
Speaker 4: And now all of a sudden you're civilly liable and
Speaker 4: getting sued.
Speaker 2: It's it's and it's crazy because you're right. It does
Speaker 2: happen to rock. It used to happen to rock groups.
Speaker 4: But did somebody Zy Osbourne getting sued because kids committed
Speaker 4: suicide And it's the same thing, like and it's you know,
Speaker 4: but I know what you mean, Like, if you're you
Speaker 4: shouldn't be begrudged because you know, as ice Cube making
Speaker 4: a song about South Central and you got a problem
Speaker 4: because Kurt Russell or not Kurt Russell would be because
Speaker 4: Val Kilmer played Doc Holliday, people up.
Speaker 3: Into them stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's almost like.
Speaker 2: If rock didn't exist, I would almost be worried that
Speaker 2: it'd be racial. I mean, and I'm not good at
Speaker 2: that conversation, but I was talking to about it and
Speaker 2: I was like, they was like, glasses, man, you make
Speaker 2: that music.
Speaker 1: That music is bad and you glow.
Speaker 2: It from like where are the glory in it? He's like,
Speaker 2: you make that music. I'm like, bro, you're a huge
Speaker 2: fan of The godfatheruse Yeah, but it's sophisticated.
Speaker 1: It's not sophisticated. And it was like I was like.
Speaker 4: You thinking, give me your buddy, or I'm going to
Speaker 4: blow your brains out. Give you your buddy, or I'm
Speaker 4: going to blow your brains out. No matter what part
Speaker 4: of town it happens.
Speaker 1: Kill my father, I'm going to kill all of you.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like what do we like?
Speaker 2: But I almost feel like because they see white people,
Speaker 2: they be like, oh, well, you know it's on the
Speaker 2: level the criminals. It's better, you know, they're they're more
Speaker 2: sophistic I'm like, bro, they are savages like and it
Speaker 2: goes back to my initial point of him pop being
Speaker 2: street urban culture. It's why people name themselves after old
Speaker 2: white street urban legends al Capone.
Speaker 3: Interestingly, though not cowboys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on it. I would be thinking about it.
Speaker 2: Gang bangers are just modern day cowboys out west. That's
Speaker 2: all they are. Hell yeah, right, but how many movies?
Speaker 2: The cowboy era probably lasted forty fifty years.
Speaker 1: It's not two hundred years of cowboys stories now.
Speaker 4: It really was just I think a lot of it
Speaker 4: was just like Civil War reconstruction, people going west. So
Speaker 4: you had a bunch of disparate criminals that were just leaving,
Speaker 4: you know, like they do have march through Georgia or
Speaker 4: whatever the hell destroyed everything.
Speaker 1: They just like and I don't want to just make
Speaker 1: them like they just with some dicks. Like.
Speaker 2: It was a tough time to be alive at that
Speaker 2: time and to trying to make it in life.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're gonna go people because we've got nothing
Speaker 3: else to do.
Speaker 2: We don't know the death penalty for stilling the horse.
Speaker 1: That was the death penalty to.
Speaker 3: Kill you over cheating cards at least that's what they
Speaker 3: say in the movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what I'm saying it was actually a legal punishment,
Speaker 2: death penalty if you stole a horse.
Speaker 1: That was legal, not not like the person, so the
Speaker 1: state would so.
Speaker 2: But I noticed there's one hundred cowboy movies. They not
Speaker 2: they're not even ten l a cowway culture is nowhere
Speaker 2: near as polarizing and as known as gang banging, right
Speaker 2: Cribson Bloods Gangster.
Speaker 1: But there's a hundred cowboy movies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one subtle nuance, I will say, though. There aren't
Speaker 4: that many cowboy movies I can think of that are
Speaker 4: told from the first person of the cowboy. Usually they're
Speaker 4: told from the first person of the sheriff.
Speaker 1: Well, notice most of the sheriff. Right.
Speaker 2: My favorite cowboy movie is Wired Earth with Kevin Costner,
Speaker 2: who was actually born in Of course, he's my favorite
Speaker 2: movie because he's a Compton guy. Right, sure, so he
Speaker 2: was a fucking outlaw and then right he was an
Speaker 2: out He was an outlaw probably into his twenties.
Speaker 4: In Kansas before he became the sheriff at Dodge City.
Speaker 3: And then he was on the.
Speaker 2: Run and that's how he became mind you, he never
Speaker 2: was held accountable for what he was on the run for.
Speaker 2: He was on the run, but still in the horse,
Speaker 2: and he watched the man and back then Robin the
Speaker 2: man is one thing, but still in the horse death penalty,
Speaker 2: kill your his horses, right, But he was on the
Speaker 2: run and that's how he got the job to become
Speaker 2: a lawman.
Speaker 1: He was on the run.
Speaker 2: So again, it's like that's the story of every gangster
Speaker 2: in La Like people don't like you. Look at Big
Speaker 2: You right now, Big You was doing things in the community.
Speaker 2: He's changing his life. He getting opportunities for people he
Speaker 2: grew up with. That's why Earth everybody Dell Dog ended
Speaker 2: up changing his life and getting more into business and
Speaker 2: trying to help his friends make better business, Like whyatt
Speaker 2: Earth did with his brothers And guess what, whyat Earth
Speaker 2: still got into a crazy shootout that half his brothers
Speaker 2: got killed in.
Speaker 1: Now at that point, can we consider it a lawful shootout?
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like today, it could be a lawful shootout
Speaker 2: trying to defend your life, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: trying to defend your life. So I think that's the point.
Speaker 2: Like and maybe you, maybe you got a point, But
Speaker 2: there is some movies told Billy the kid was in
Speaker 2: our law.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Billy the Kid, like Dyllinger, was kind of the first
Speaker 4: gangster because he was right at the cusp of I
Speaker 4: think like and and and and Bonnie and Clyde where
Speaker 4: they moved from the horse to the car.
Speaker 2: It was very early cars about them and praised them
Speaker 2: and their motherfuckers was horrible people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, laying people down me at least that's the thought
Speaker 1: based off of today.
Speaker 2: But I never hear people like you guys are glorifying
Speaker 2: you know, you're glorifying U. Bonnie and Clyde is like
Speaker 2: bro that telling a story. There's no glory in dying
Speaker 2: at the end. They didn't go down in the smiling
Speaker 2: Hey we're getting killed, Hey Luxuria.
Speaker 1: Like you would think.
Speaker 2: They talk about it like it's like them, them them
Speaker 2: bombers from the Middle East who get virgins when they
Speaker 2: throw that, you know, when they kill themself.
Speaker 4: And interestingly enough, that is one of the things that
Speaker 4: bun Be discussed at length, particularly in the later work,
Speaker 4: is you guys are not socially responsible with the lyrics.
Speaker 4: You need to if you're gonna tell the you know,
Speaker 4: the part of the story. The activity part of the
Speaker 4: story you have to tell about when you get locked
Speaker 4: up and Howard Herscher found all the like he actually
Speaker 4: he and PIMPSI actually discussed the totality of the story
Speaker 4: just ironically and that we're talking about. But you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like it's kind of interesting as they
Speaker 4: got older.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I also think that's also why those films
Speaker 2: are not that big, just like drill rap. Understand why
Speaker 2: drill rap is not that big, Like as influential as
Speaker 2: it is and as revered as it is, it's not
Speaker 2: this commercially successful genre. Like it didn't spawn what you know,
Speaker 2: g funk spawned, It didn't spawn those things, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Because I agree with you. I've always
Speaker 2: thought about that. Like Godfather is one of the few
Speaker 2: movies that tell the story. But I guess Godfather doesn't
Speaker 2: really tell the story from the It tells the story
Speaker 2: of how somebody became a criminal.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, if I remember, Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Mean it's it's it's from the inside. It's not like
Speaker 4: it would be different. I would say to compare it
Speaker 4: to The Untouchables, where Kevin Cosler Sean Connery are and
Speaker 4: they're talking about component the mafia.
Speaker 3: From the outside.
Speaker 4: It does exist from the inside, the same with Scarface
Speaker 4: from the inside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but I think it becomes a different kind
Speaker 2: of story because I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think I always tell people the reason.
Speaker 2: Colors is so successful, it's not because it's a gangster movie.
Speaker 2: It's a movie about the police in the relations between
Speaker 2: the older cop and a younger cop. Like you talking
Speaker 2: about Rocking who might have got nine minutes of camera
Speaker 2: time total in a probably eighty or ninety minute film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking about Boys in the Hood is a
Speaker 1: father movie.
Speaker 2: It's about about black kids with a father and black
Speaker 2: kids without a father.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's not the first movie to me that was told
Speaker 2: from the perspective of.
Speaker 1: Like Minister Society.
Speaker 2: Minister Society is told from the perspective of the streets.
Speaker 2: But then again, it's also a coming up story where
Speaker 2: you see how somebody becomes who they become, and it's.
Speaker 4: A claim didn't quite reach that of the other ones
Speaker 4: quite sure much. So there's that aspect too. And if you,
Speaker 4: if you get a chance, and I don't know for
Speaker 4: you or any listeners that have for Paramount plus app
Speaker 4: or whatever the hell They did a series about the
Speaker 4: making of The Godfather on there.
Speaker 3: It was like a one season series. It was really cool.
Speaker 3: I can't remember the name of it.
Speaker 4: But they actually talk about the behind the scenes play
Speaker 4: between the producers at Paramount trying to actually get clearance
Speaker 4: from the mob, who was like starting to threaten them,
Speaker 4: saying you're not going to make this movie, and Mario
Speaker 4: Puzzo s for Coppola and these guys, and they work
Speaker 4: out this thing with the head of one of the
Speaker 4: families to allow it to happen.
Speaker 3: And the book itself, But this isn't the this isn't.
Speaker 4: A mafia movie. We will not say the word mafia
Speaker 4: in the whole movie. They agreed to it's a movie
Speaker 4: about family. So they try to make the movie very
Speaker 4: much about family, you know what I mean. That's how
Speaker 4: they sold it, pitched it, and wrote it without saying
Speaker 4: the word mafia the whole fucking movie.
Speaker 2: It's still alevilent identifying in America. I think most Americans
Speaker 2: are really simple. I think most Americans are really simple,
Speaker 2: So it's who you can relate to.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 2: I'm not mad that white people see black people and
Speaker 2: they necessarily don't relate to them as soon like it,
Speaker 2: it's just.
Speaker 1: A little thing.
Speaker 2: So Godfather, even god for as great as Godfather is,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and as revered as it is,
Speaker 2: it's still white people trying to connegle white people.
Speaker 4: The only part of that movie that I really identify
Speaker 4: with is the part where Clemenza is teaching Michael how
Speaker 4: to make sauce for everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me look at this Godfather. How much money
Speaker 1: did it make?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: That wasn't it.
Speaker 4: I have a hard time Like that's one of the
Speaker 4: things where every year the movie the Summer breaks all
Speaker 4: the rec because every year the price of the tickets go.
Speaker 1: Up dollars two fifty to three hundred. See.
Speaker 2: And that's the point, Like, I think people can identify
Speaker 2: even with white criminals America, can I mean white people,
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess, but it's hard for them to
Speaker 2: identify with the black outlaw.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it maybe the greatest black outlaw movies.
Speaker 2: And that's not even even Training Day is a white,
Speaker 2: clean policeman dealing with a crazy outlaw black police officer.
Speaker 3: And then you're like even in Trading Day.
Speaker 4: And I would say it in general, a lot of
Speaker 4: speak I can't think of the only real movie that
Speaker 4: I thought was really more about like say criminal stuff,
Speaker 4: like like like in Menace, there is an effort in
Speaker 4: that movie to make the main characters polite, seem sympathetic,
Speaker 4: and you don't. There's not maybe enough time and a
Speaker 4: lot of like hip hop and the songs to really
Speaker 4: solicit that, whereas it seems like there's a more concentrated
Speaker 4: effort to make even in Falling Down, it's like the
Speaker 4: guys are fucking flipped out. He's a mass shooter running
Speaker 4: across Los Samsles, laying people down because of god knows what.
Speaker 4: But if they go out of their way to make
Speaker 4: it seem like he's the victim of all this shit
Speaker 4: the whole.
Speaker 1: Time, you know what I mean, he kind of was
Speaker 1: the victim.
Speaker 3: He was he was, But but you get what I say,
Speaker 3: the effort, I get it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We you know what, We're going to
Speaker 1: do another pod and we're gonna talk about that.
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about those movies, those Los Angeles movies.
Speaker 2: But I think really cultural movies of America as far
Speaker 2: as people outside of white people, I think it's hard
Speaker 2: for them to identify with any of that other stuff
Speaker 2: like training. They did a great job of telling two stories,
Speaker 2: Like really, they told one story. They told the the
Speaker 2: story of a dude coming up in the police force,
Speaker 2: same thing as Colors, where he's identifying he's just got.
Speaker 1: A crazy rogue cop, brother cop.
Speaker 3: Those movies are.
Speaker 4: Basically the exact same, except in power.
Speaker 2: American Gangster did a decent job, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: because they told the story from the police's perspective, and
Speaker 2: they told the story from Frank lucas perspective. I think
Speaker 2: you have to give white people white lenses to look through.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think some of this also was the
Speaker 4: fact that a lot of white people perceive, maybe like
Speaker 4: if not black people in general, with like black black
Speaker 4: criminals as being like impossibly hard, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean, Like Frank Lucas throughout that movie.
Speaker 2: Me and Nip used to talk about that making Gangster
Speaker 2: rap bro, I'm like, it's hard for people to identify
Speaker 2: with us now because they think like we're like superheroes
Speaker 2: or like we lived his lifestyle, Like.
Speaker 1: Oh, I can't identify with him. He's crazy or he
Speaker 1: kills people versus until you.
Speaker 2: Die, and then they're able to be like, oh, he's
Speaker 2: just like me like Nick where they finally got it
Speaker 2: after he passed away, but like during that time, like
Speaker 2: I think about people like Snoop and nice Tea, they
Speaker 2: reviewed as like super villains, you.
Speaker 1: Know, and now the world is just comfortable with villains.
Speaker 2: But then, like that's why I think I need to
Speaker 2: be really mindful as I'm working on music and finishing
Speaker 2: out my career and then going into another storyteller effort
Speaker 2: with films or comics to remember these ways of how
Speaker 2: people told stories and what made people connected characters, because
Speaker 2: like I think of a film like The Joker, you know,
Speaker 2: the Joker film with.
Speaker 1: Joaquin Phoenix, Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like they did a really good job of
Speaker 2: convincing you at why he became a villain. Sure, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, They did a fucking fantastic job
Speaker 2: of convincing you why he was a villain.
Speaker 4: That was almost kind of like a like a cartoon
Speaker 4: ish type version of like falling Down.
Speaker 3: It's just this guy just keeps getting just kicked in
Speaker 3: the nuts all the time.
Speaker 1: That just boom like that, like that.
Speaker 2: There's a few films where you know, you see people,
Speaker 2: there's a few films where you see people like why
Speaker 2: they become why they become. That's a really tough way
Speaker 2: to tell a story, sure it is. It is especially
Speaker 2: about the character that we all know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I mean, like if they had made like
Speaker 4: say the movie Fences have a turn at the end
Speaker 4: where like Denzel's character goes and commits like some crime
Speaker 4: because he's just playing warn the hell out by the commitments,
Speaker 4: by being the track all all these things, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, and he just gets behind the eight ball.
Speaker 4: It's like I'm desperate, I'm exhausted, I'm tired too, and whatever.
Speaker 4: It would almost be something like that, for example, where
Speaker 4: you'd have to really sap go out of your way
Speaker 4: to establish stage setting as to like why you know
Speaker 4: what this dude got put through to want to go
Speaker 4: do this?
Speaker 1: You know?
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