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Speaker 1: You can't. You can't. You can't date my brother. You can't.

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Speaker 1: But he's so cute. What about my maybe? What about

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Speaker 1: my dad? He plays the clarinet. I love the clarinet.

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Speaker 1: My name is Caitlin Darante. My name is Jamie Loftus,

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Speaker 1: And this is our our little podcast where we have

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Speaker 1: look at it from an intersectional feminist lens, and we

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Speaker 1: use the Bechdel Test as a jumping off point. Sure,

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Speaker 1: and she's an author and musician and she's Margaret Killjoy. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: how are you. I'm good? Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, I love how friendly

424
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: all of his all of his friends were like concerned

425
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: about the thirteen year olds. They weren't like trying to

426
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: hang out with the thirteen year olds. But they're all like,

427
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 1: oh are they okay? Like what's up? They were all

428
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: they weren't like, ah, I can't believe your sisters here,

429
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, they're just like here. I like when they're

430
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: like are you drunk? Are you okay? They're just everyone's

431
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: so wholesome, Clara's whole eating, Clara's whole family. I'm like,

432
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: what a sweet, sweet family. They really they really raised

433
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: some some weird punk kids, even like the youngest sibling,

434
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: I forget what his name is is like cow or

435
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: cow or something. I just off man younger sibling. I mean,

436
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: you could read a whole thesis on younger siblings in cinema,

437
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: because usually they're just like annoying and suck and are

438
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: like always planning, you know, elaborate schemes. But I like

439
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: that he's just like a doorway brother and he's always

440
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: just kind of like hey, and then he just leaves.

441
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: Like that's a more realistic younger sibling depict just someone

442
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: cackling while you're getting in trouble from the doorway working

443
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: in cash. Then Bobo and Clara go over to hed

444
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: Vig's house and they have a They have a discussion

445
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: about whether or not any whether or not they believe

446
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: in God. Um, they kind of peer pressure head Vig

447
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: into cutting her long hair, which Hedvig's mom is very

448
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: unhappy about when she finds out, and she tells them

449
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: that she's going to report Bobo and Clara to the

450
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: police unless they start going to church with her and

451
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: believing in God and becoming Christians work. And at first

452
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, she's serious, and then Bobo

453
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: and Clara like, you can't do that. You can't force

454
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: us to go to church, and her mom was like,

455
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: well you can't, Well you forced my daughter to get

456
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: a hair cut, and we think that what's going on?

457
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: And then so the next day at school, had Vig

458
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: doesn't sit with them at lunch, but it's because she

459
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: thinks Bobo and Clara are mad at her because of

460
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: what her mom did. And she's like, like, I was

461
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: just so embarrassed with my mom. And but you're also like,

462
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: she probably also didn't want to cut her hair, right,

463
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: But did you ever have like a parent moment where

464
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: I feel like I rarely like went through with it,

465
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: but like when your parents like, just blame it on me,

466
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: I don't care, Like my mom like would be like,

467
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: I don't care if I look silly to your friends,

468
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: just don't do a bad Like I would have totally

469
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: blamed that all on my mom, even if I secretly,

470
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: like I did feel pure pressured into getting the haircut.

471
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: Mm hmm yeah um, and and not good good for

472
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: moms for doing that. You know, you know, moms don't

473
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: need other thirteen year old girls. They think they're cool,

474
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: and I celebrate that so true. The three girls makeup

475
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: and they have a little food fight at lunch, they

476
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: have more brand they and then they have more band

477
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: practice and they start to write another song. They ask

478
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: strangers for money so that they can buy an electric guitar,

479
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: which they don't make enough money for, so they instead

480
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: spend the money they did make on a bunch of

481
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: junk food that they pig out on. Can I tell

482
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: a story about women asking for money in Sweden? That's

483
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: a really random story, Yes? Please? I was. I was

484
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: hitchhiking through Sweden in my early twenties and I have

485
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: any money, and I was like in Helsingborg and I

486
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: was trying to get to Stockholm, sitting in a park,

487
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: and these these group of young women are like hey, hey, hey,

488
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't speak Swedish and they're like

489
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: will you And I'm not out as trans at this point. Um,

490
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: I actually don't remember if I'm wearing a dress or not,

491
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: but but I'm like presenting as a boy, even if

492
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm wearing women's and they're like, will you wrestle us

493
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: for money? You give us money and we wrestle you

494
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: and that's how we're raising enough money for her wedding

495
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: and their their wedding was that they were wrestling random

496
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: boys in the park. I explained that I did not

497
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: have any money, and they promptly moved on. But that

498
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: that I can't to wrap my head around all. I

499
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: have no idea what happened there? Is this a normal thing?

500
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: Were they hitting on me? Was it just a weird

501
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: checking thing? I don't know. I have no idea. What

502
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: is that? Just a very common Swedish thing? We don't know?

503
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: Do yeah? Do swees just have very inventive ways of

504
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: making money? That seems possible. How far they got in

505
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: this venture, It makes it sound like the way you

506
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: describe it makes it seems like they felt there was

507
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: some sort of demand for this, you know. I yeah,

508
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: it seems like they're going to pay for a wedding

509
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: with this. Yeah, tens of thousands of dollars that a

510
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: wedding costs. They were going to somehow raise that by

511
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: challenging people to wrestle them, especially, I don't know. The

512
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: whole thing made no sense to me. That's fascinating, Okay.

513
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: I hope that they had the best wedding ever. So

514
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: the girls, they eat a bunch of junk food. They're

515
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: also gushing over this article by this punk band of

516
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: teen boys. So they call these boys and arranged to

517
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: meet up there, like your punks were punks, We have

518
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: to meet up. It's fate, and they're so exactly. So

519
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: they meet up. They think it's going to be three

520
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: boys in this band, but it's only two of them

521
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: because they've already divvied up the boys. That's yeah, they're like,

522
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: you're going to get with this one. And one of

523
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: the boys was a poser is the biggest problem, right,

524
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: because he liked a band noise, so they kicked him out.

525
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 1: So it's just the two boys and the three girls

526
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: and they go to their and they go to the

527
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: boys rehearsal space. They hang out and I like the

528
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: the um it was. It was. It was fun um so,

529
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: but because they're out kind of like outnumbered, Bobo is

530
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 1: left out and she's sort of like the fifth wheel,

531
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: and she's jealous because she clearly liked the boy Ellis well,

532
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: and that was claims the agreement, right Clara. Clara's like,

533
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: Ellis will be yours and David will be mine, but

534
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: David's the guy who's not there, So Clara kind of

535
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: claims Ellis for herself, and now Bobo is the awkward

536
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: fifth wheel. Well, and the boys called called it to

537
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: the boys of their conversation where they divvy up the

538
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: girls which they don't remember the names of, and they're

539
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: just like, oh, yeah, the one with the scarf, like,

540
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: I'll tell her, sucking thirteen year old boys. I do

541
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: think that is how boys. They're like, Oh, at least

542
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: they did it by like scarfs and not like hair color,

543
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: because I feel like so many men are just like

544
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 1: so reductive about women. They're like, oh the blonde, the burnette. Um, okay,

545
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: so they're in Sweden. You can't do that. It's never

546
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: mind everyone's blonde. This is not true at all. But

547
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: I apologized, sweet listen, Yeah, but a lot of you

548
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: are blonde to be fair shots fired the youth center

549
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: that the girls go. Tom says that they've been invited

550
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: to bring a few bands to play at another youth

551
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: center's winter concert, and they want Bobo and Clara and

552
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: head VIGs band who I don't do we ever learn

553
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: the name of their band. I don't explain the same thing, Okay,

554
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: I was like, did I miss something? Um, they didn't

555
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: get that. Yeah, so they're so punk that they don't

556
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: even need a name. So their band is invited to play,

557
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: and those two guys at the youth center, Um, they

558
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: bought an electric guitar. Finally, and we see head Vig

559
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: showing off her guitar playing skills and everyone is very impressive. Waita,

560
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: the the thing about being an all girl band. This

561
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite moments of the whole movie.

562
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: So I want to interject because it's like, I mean,

563
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 1: I guess the only thing worse than being a girl

564
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: band is to be a female fronted band. You know.

565
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: Um in terms of just like the annoying thing, I

566
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: just as someone who's in a girl band, Um, I'm

567
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: really excited that they just were like immediately their thirteen

568
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, no, we're not we are girls

569
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: who were in the band. Anyway, it's like my favorite

570
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: feminist moment of the movie. It does kind of remind

571
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: me a little bit of just because it's still it's

572
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: like so ridiculous that whatever this movie takes place in

573
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: eighty two and this ship still happens all the time,

574
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: and it's just so annoying or just it's the same

575
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: as like women in comedy questions And I was just

576
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: gonna say, yeah, like, yeah, not great. Could stop, like

577
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: and this is a part of why it's not great,

578
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: Like yeah, oh my gosh, I can't tell you how

579
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: many times I've been asked like is it hard to

580
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: be a female comedian? And I'm just like, right now,

581
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: it's hard to be a comedian. It's hard to be

582
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: a woman. So yeah, like what do you want me

583
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: to say? Like, yeah, shut up? What the I mean?

584
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: What the fund do? Like sis, white straight men have

585
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: to make jokes about because isn't one of the main

586
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: I'm not a comedian, but it seems like bad things

587
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: happening based on people making assumptions about you is one

588
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: of the main sources of comedy, Like yeah, a big one.

589
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: Well now with the well is deeper for everyone else.

590
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: Now it's truly can't You can't say or do anything anymore.

591
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: That's the news. I forgot that. Here's the thing. PC

592
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: culture is ruining comedy. So yeah, they can't really talk.

593
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to like start a conversation anymore,

594
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: Like how do you even start? Can talk to answers? No,

595
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: if you're thinking about it, if you're not sure the answers, no,

596
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: I can't even I can't even just hang out someone's

597
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: d M s un answered, send them a new message

598
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: every day without people getting upset. You really just can't

599
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: harass people like you used to, you know. So they

600
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: get invited to this winter concert. Um, but Bobo is

601
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: still sour about the um Clara and Ellis thing, and

602
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: Clara's like, well, Alis never calls me. Cut to Bobo

603
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: calling Ellis and arranging to hang out with them, just

604
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: the two of with him, just the two of them.

605
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: I was floored. I was florida that this happened. I

606
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: truly gasped. I didn't know. I didn't know she had

607
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: that rage. I did know because I feel like I

608
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: did something like that as a t God, you're so

609
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: much braver than I am. I would have I would

610
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: have just fumed in silence for twenty years and then

611
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: brought it up on this podcast at some point. So

612
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: do you want to shout someone out right now? From

613
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: by the way there, Wait, Kitlen, you did something like this,

614
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: that's so? What did you do? So? Okay? I had

615
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: so my best friend in my school. We both so

616
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: there was a group of three, a trio of boys

617
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: who were a year or two older than us, and

618
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: they were best friends, and me and my best friend

619
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: were a little duo and we all like basically just

620
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: all dated each other. But like, but at first it

621
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: was like, well I like this one, so he's off

622
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: limits to you. And then and then eventually we just

623
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: like worked both worked our way through all three of them.

624
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: But to start, it was like, well, no, I've I

625
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: have staked claim on this one. But then like I

626
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: kind of moved on to the guy that she briefly

627
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: liked and dated and then but he was off limits

628
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: to me. But I was like, you know what, he

629
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: likes me, So what am I going to deny myself happiness?

630
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: And it was you know, it wasn't great. I don't

631
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm not proud of myself, but look it happened, and

632
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: I think the only thing I've done that's approached I

633
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: didn't do that in like when middle school. In high school,

634
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: I started dating someone who was off limits and someone

635
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: threw a watermelon on my lawn. No water full watermelon,

636
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: a watermelon, they said water bong. I just I think

637
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: they just like went to Shaws and bought a watermelon.

638
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: It just chucked it on my lawn to let them

639
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: know that they knew that I was I was dating

640
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: someone off limits mm hmm. But it sent the message,

641
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, pretty punk thing to do, throw a watermelon.

642
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: It was pretty cool of them to do. I didn't.

643
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: I didn't, you know, I didn't stop dating the person

644
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,959
Speaker 1: after that, which that's on me because it is It's

645
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: like one thing to be like, I'm doing something that's wrong,

646
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: but then in the back of your head you're like,

647
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: but I haven't experienced a consequence, so maybe it's not wrong.

648
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 1: And then the watermelon lands, and then you're like, no,

649
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: this is wrong. What what an interesting worries we're all sharing?

650
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're really all letting it rip. I've never

651
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 1: done anything wrong, so well obviously yeah yeah, um okay,

652
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: you are the head vig of the group. Wow, um okay.

653
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: So uh So Bobo and Ellis hang out and it's

654
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: a little flirty. He puts his arm around her, he

655
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: tickles her wrist um and and he's like, but I

656
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: have to break up with Clara first, which he never does.

657
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 1: And then they're heading to the New Year's they're kind

658
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: of not invited to anymore. He goes them both and

659
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: then Bobo tells Clara that Ellis cheated on Clara with Bobo,

660
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: and they get in a huge fight and Clara is furious,

661
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: but at the encouragement of head Vig, they eventually make

662
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: up and become friends again. And then it's time for

663
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: the concert, so they go to this seems like kind

664
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: of like a remote, far away town and it's like

665
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: like a distant y m C a kind of vibe. Yeah,

666
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: And then so they start playing their song Hot the Sport,

667
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: and everyone screams at them and calls them ugly and

668
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: says that they're common communists and they're like, you suck,

669
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: and the girls in the band are like, we don't suck.

670
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: You suck, and we are the best and that is

671
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: the name of the movie. And then the movie ends

672
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: with um, like the girls talking to those two youth

673
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: center guys and they're like, you need to show some respects, like, um,

674
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: screw you. And then there's a scene like a fast

675
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: food place where they're like goofing around and that's the

676
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: end of the movie. You forgot about the dad playing

677
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: clarinet pants around his ankles. Clarinet, feminist icon, clarinet. We

678
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: should all be so truly. Um. Okay, so let's take

679
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: a quick break and then we will come back to

680
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: discuss and we're back, and we're back. Where do we

681
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 1: want to start? I mean, there's a few different kind

682
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: of thematic cornerstones I suppose of the movie that I

683
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: really enjoy. Okay, what do I have writing stone? I

684
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: would never bring it up, but um, I mean, I

685
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: love the female friendship as it is at the center

686
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: of this movie. I love the like kind of beauty

687
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: standards and the rejecting of beauty standards is a large

688
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: component of this movie. I like that, um kind of

689
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 1: like the men around them often assume that they can't

690
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: really do anything or that they're not good at things

691
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: because they're girls. That's a component of this movie. Again.

692
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: I love just the what feels like a very authentic

693
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: depiction of the horrors of being thirteen and just all

694
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: the nuances you get that you normally don't see in

695
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: a movie about thirteen year old girls, one because there

696
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: are hardly any movies about thirteen year old girls, and

697
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: two if they are, if there is a story about them,

698
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 1: it's it just feels like a very like cartoony Hollywood

699
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: eyes version, which can be fun, but it's like there's

700
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: just not enough of projects like this around right year

701
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 1: old actors. Yeah, exactly, actual kids, Yeah, because I feel

702
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 1: like thirteen year olds you just add three or four

703
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: years in like, which is like part of why eighth grade,

704
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: I feel like was such was so cool for a

705
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: lot of people to see because you're like, oh, yeah,

706
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: this is what an eighth grader looks like. Where and

707
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: again not so, I feel like I've been bringing up

708
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 1: to Grassy on every single episode recently. I don't know why,

709
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: but like that was my only yardstick as a kid

710
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: for like media for kids that were played by kids

711
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: that were at the correct age and weren't like c

712
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: W teens who are like my age. Yeah, there's there's

713
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: a lot to love about it, and not really anything

714
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: that I have any complaints about. One thing I really

715
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: liked because we recently covered Margaret. Have you seen Turning Red?

716
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: I haven't know. It's cute, it's a new Dizzey movie.

717
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: It's also like a girlhood coming of age movie. And

718
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: one thing that like I've I liked that these movies,

719
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: I mean, the movies have very not a lot in

720
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: common to a rights is about turning into a Panda.

721
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: But but I did like, um, the way that like

722
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: the girls are like are like going through period. They're

723
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: like starting to feel like come into their own in

724
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: terms of their sexuality, but they also like I like

725
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: that the movie doesn't ignore that, but it also doesn't

726
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: do what I think a lot of teen media does,

727
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: which is like push them into situations that they're not

728
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: ready for or able to handle, which is such a

729
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: tough line to tell. I feel like you see a

730
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: lot of that in Bobo, where she like has a

731
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: crush on an older boy, but like isn't going to

732
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: do anything about it, Like she's just going to be

733
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: weird whenever he's around. And when the thirteen, when you

734
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: know she hangs out with um, I keep wanting to

735
00:47:55,120 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: call him Elon, which is all us. When she hangs

736
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: out with Ellis, both of them have no idea what

737
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: to do, but he still manages to be an asshole,

738
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: which is a hallmark of thirteen year old boys. But

739
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: he like, I just liked it. I don't want to

740
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: defend him super high, right because he goes both of

741
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: them or whatever, But it's like there were so many

742
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: ways that if this was a Hollywood movie, he would

743
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: have been way the hell worse, right, and yeah, he was.

744
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: He like, I think most ghosting is people being like,

745
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm supposed to do here, so

746
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to not think about it, right, and so

747
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: so he's like, I don't know, I don't know how

748
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: to date. I don't know what I'm doing, so I

749
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: will be distant in a way that hurts people. But

750
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm worried I'm cheating because I like

751
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: touched your hand, you know, I know the thirteen year

752
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: old definition of cheating and also of being together is

753
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: like like, oh we hung out one time, we're dating,

754
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: we're together. You know. Normally we examine a movie that

755
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: as like a hetero romance and we're often like why

756
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: is this here, or like it'll feel very wedged in,

757
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: or we're just there's a lot to especially right, But

758
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: in this movie, it just it feels very true. But

759
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: in this movie it just feels very organic, organic and

760
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: like it belongs because we are seeing these girls and

761
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: their friendship and like the whole spectrum of what it

762
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 1: is to be, uh, someone of that age, which is yes,

763
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: having interests in something, and for them it's music, um,

764
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: whether it's like to listen to it and then eventually

765
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: to start playing it. Um it's uh issues or just

766
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: whatever complications anything like that with your family. And we

767
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: see that in um, all of the girls, and it's

768
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: an interest in uh whatever we're like in other people romantically. Um,

769
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: And we see that. So it's just like and it's

770
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: like you know, going to school, it's going to your

771
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: youth center. It's like all the things that kids do.

772
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: And we just see that entire scope of their lives

773
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: versus a lot of stories will be like, oh, well

774
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: they're a team girl, so the only thing they think

775
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: about is boys. Um, But it's like, no, we get

776
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: the whole spectrum of their lives here. There's just as

777
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: much time spent on them trying to figure out how

778
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: they feel about religion as there is that like on yeah,

779
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: figuring out how they feel about like different romantic interests,

780
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: which is cool. Yeah. It's like, I I like how

781
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: this movie is very like Vignetti and there like here's

782
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: a here's a kid thing, remember this, and it's like

783
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: slowly leading up to something. It's probably how like because

784
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 1: it you know, is based on this sort of autobiographical

785
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: graphic novel and you know, I assume the yarn incident right,

786
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: Like the yarn incident doesn't narratively tie in. I mean

787
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: they managed to pull it off because at the end

788
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: they're like fishing with the yarn out the window for

789
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: fun and like and you know, getting cut while cutting

790
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: up random yarn you pull out of the trash scene

791
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: is like very emotional and impactful, but it's such a

792
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: a random moment that I assume that this has happened,

793
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: you know, right right, and like too specific to not

794
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: be real. And they still managed to get like that

795
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 1: awesome moment out of um out of it too, where

796
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 1: like that's there, like huge, that's like, isn't that That's

797
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: like the first moment where you're like, oh, Headvig is

798
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: like permanently in the group, part of the group, even

799
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: though she was the one who didn't want to go

800
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: dumpster diving or whatever, you know, and was afraid of

801
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 1: stealing someone's thrown out. Yeah, she's like this is someone

802
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: else's and it's wet, why are we playing with it? Like, Okay,

803
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: head Vig had some points. She made some point, some

804
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: better boundaries. I feel like a lot of movies would

805
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: go down a route of like, oh, well, a new

806
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: friend gets introduced so one of the others gets really

807
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: jealous or like, this new friend comes along and she

808
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: feels like the odd one out because there's already an

809
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: established friendship with these other two, which is a real

810
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: thing that does happen. Um, But I like that it's

811
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: just these three girls who share a common interest in

812
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: music and they bond over that and their hatred of

813
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: gym class and sports. So they're like, well, yeah, obviously

814
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: we're all going to be the best of friends. And

815
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: even though one of them is a little older than

816
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: the other two, even though one of them is Christian

817
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: and the other two are not. Maybe that's why I

818
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: also feel very connected to head VG taller friend energy

819
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 1: where they're like, is she older? You're like, no, they're

820
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: all the same age. Relax, No, she is older. I

821
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: think because she says she's in Great nine, I thought

822
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: she's good. I think all these characters are great um

823
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: and again, and they're very they're very distinct. They're very

824
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: again like I knew people like all like all like

825
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: I knew people like all three of them, and I

826
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: saw myself and you know, you know, in different ways

827
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: in all three of them, and they're just like very again,

828
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: well written well crafted, very relatable, very authentic characters that again,

829
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: we don't see in media very often. I like, I

830
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: loved it Clara because Clara is like the headstrong, like decisive,

831
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: like like in your face, like I'm gonna advocate when

832
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: someone needs to be advocated for, right to the point

833
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: where it's like occasionally and considerate people around her. And

834
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: I just I like, I kaind Of'm just like, oh,

835
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: I can't think of the last time I saw like

836
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: a movie. I don't know. I mean, I guess I

837
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: don't really know what this who this movie was marketed

838
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: towards because we famously don't live in Sweden, but I

839
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: hope that it was like marketed at like kids, because

840
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: it would have been so. I mean, it's really cool

841
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: seeing like kids that aren't like classic you know, like

842
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: Hollywood cool girls that there's like a movie about them

843
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: being awesome and like still bullied but ultimately like really

844
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: really fucking cool. Um. But but Clara. I liked the

845
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: with Clara and Bobo. They like it ends with them

846
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: all being friends. But you can also tell in a

847
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: way that I found kind of satisfying, like Clara still

848
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: has a long way to go, you know, Clara Clara,

849
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: like literally in the in the last scene, it was

850
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: just like so a thirteen year old, like, yeah, she

851
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: still hasn't quite gotten over herself where she's like I

852
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: am the best, and then the other two have to

853
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: be like that's not the name of the movie. Yeah,

854
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: I I totally agree, but not in a way that

855
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: like makes that character unlikable or irredeemable. It's just that

856
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: she's a thirteen year old girl, and this is how

857
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: a lot of thirteen year old girls are, or just

858
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: thirteen year olds in general, because you're thirteen and you

859
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: have not fully formed as a person yet, your emotions

860
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: are confusing, you are your self esteem is all over

861
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: the place, and yeah, it just feels like, yeah, she's

862
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: quite self centered, and yes she is sort of like

863
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: staking claim over a lot of things and like you know,

864
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: not being as super considerate toward especially her best friend

865
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: Bobo in a lot of ways where she's like, no,

866
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: this boy's mine, the playing the bass is my thing,

867
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: and way that again, like this is an immaturity thing

868
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: that she will probably grow out of, not like she's

869
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: a bad person thing it is. Yeah, it feels like

870
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean like every thirteen year old

871
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,479
Speaker 1: has like that that friend structure where it's like there's

872
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: a friend that just can steamroll everybody, and you're like,

873
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: you don't have the confidence or the life skills to

874
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: be like stop Like uh, I like and and and

875
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: you know, having an alpha friend like Clara because it's

876
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: not I mean, she's still like loves her friends and family,

877
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: she just doesn't always consider them first. And you know

878
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: there are moments that I mean it's like you still

879
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: really like Clara. She's like the most She's trying to

880
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: be the most overtly political of the group. She like

881
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: wants to be able to say something even though she's

882
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: like not quite at a place where she knows how

883
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: to say it. And and I like that she I

884
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: don't know, just like reflecting on my own child, you're like, oh,

885
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: you need that alpha friend because who else is gonna

886
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: like get you French fries or like who else is

887
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: gonna you know, push until you get the rehearsal space,

888
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: or like Clara does a couple of pigs in this

889
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: movie that it's like, Oh, if everyone in this group

890
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: were the same kind of shy thirteen year old, I

891
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: would I was you don't get the French fries, you

892
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: don't get the you don't get the rehearsal space, and

893
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: the movie doesn't happen. Um right exactly. Yeah, yeah, again,

894
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: everyone's bringing something to the table. Um. And then on

895
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: and then with Bobo, I mean again, like yeah, with Clara,

896
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: she's like very very confident, or at least puts on

897
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: the air of confidence. Um. On the other hand, you

898
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: have Bobo. She loves to bully adults too. I love

899
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: how pullys the ship out of most adults and it's

900
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: so punk of her. Um. But then Bobo has some

901
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: pretty obvious self esteem issues um that I think again

902
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: are just like a product of She's in a society

903
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: where there are certain beauty standards, and these girls, as

904
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: punks are like trying to actively reject a lot of

905
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: these like Western beauty standards where they have cut their

906
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: hair short, they are anti makeup, They their style, like

907
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: their clothing is like pretty gender neutral a lot of

908
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: the time, and they have a lot of people calling

909
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: them ugly. And uh. It very clearly affects Bobo, um

910
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: because she says things like, oh, I'm never going to

911
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: get a boyfriend. No one thinks I'm cute. I was

912
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: never invited to the parties. And so even though like

913
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: they're taking this like punk stance of rejecting beauty standards,

914
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: like just like anyone wants to be desired and desirable

915
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: and like wants to be attractive to someone and you

916
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: can just tell that. And and so Bobo is uh,

917
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: kind of in this trying to doing is like kind

918
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: of doing this balancing act of like, yeah, well I

919
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: want to like I want to seem punk and I

920
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: cut my own hair and all the stuff. But she

921
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: also like wants cute boys to like her in a

922
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: very again relatable way, especially for that age. And I

923
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: love that. I love when Clara wears the makeup secretly

924
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: and then to meet the boys who wear makeup. Yeah,

925
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: and Bobo is all piste off. She's like, wait a second,

926
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be You're It's like, I don't know,

927
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: I get. Clara is so fascinating to me because I

928
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: used to be fascinated with kids like this where it's

929
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: like they're making all of the rules, but also the

930
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: rules don't apply to them. Most are fumstances. I'm sure

931
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: Clara was the one that was like, we're anti makeup

932
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: and bubbles like, Okay, we're anti makeup, but then like,

933
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: but Clara can wear makeup sometimes. But this is like

934
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: one of my favorite I wrote down this chunk of

935
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: it too, about makeup and stuff and how the boys

936
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: at the beginning, the slightly older boys like call them

937
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: all ugly and stuff, and it it's one of my

938
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: favorite iron tensions within punk feminism, you know, is this

939
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: idea of like and I I've at least read essays

940
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: about punk feminism going back further than like I've been

941
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: aware of punk, like going back in the eighties and

942
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: seventies and stuff where, um, so much of it was

943
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: about especially actually when punk when when punk women started

944
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: wearing makeup, a lot of it was like intentionally over

945
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: the top in a way to try and draw attention

946
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: and be like you said, this is supposed to be pretty,

947
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: but I'm warning so much that it's obviously ugly and

948
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: like a way to go so overboard that it becomes

949
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: ugly and and then you know, but then that that

950
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: falls back and like becomes more moderated later in punk

951
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: war than it just sort of becomes like punk women

952
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: wear makeup and it's just like like everyone else or whatever,

953
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: and it's just like trying to be conventionally attractive and

954
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: but just with like ripped stockings or whatever. I'm not

955
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to talk to it on either of

956
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: the conclusions that charge girls, right, Um, but I find

957
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: this tension really interesting and I like that this one

958
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: is situating this like third one that is actually I

959
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: think more probably tied into the broader feminism of the

960
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: like we're anti makeup, you know, as compared to just

961
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: the like we're going to go over the top with makeup. Um,

962
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, right well, that's a thing that has

963
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: been like something that I've honestly grappled with throughout my

964
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: life where I'm like obviously a militant feminist and I'm not.

965
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not going to do anything that, uh

966
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: like just because society thinks they should or a man

967
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: thinks I should. But then I'm also like, well, I

968
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: do want to be sexy. Mescarrel looks so good and

969
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: every like, so like there are some indisputiful facts, so

970
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: it's complicated. So like I do wear makeup pretty frequently.

971
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: I like shave my legs and shave my under arms

972
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: and things that I do that because like that's what

973
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: the beauty standard is. But I but like, I think

974
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: what a lot of people have kind of grappled with

975
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: when it comes to feminism and beauty standards is like, well,

976
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: feminism says that you it's your choice, Like you can

977
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: do whatever you want with your body. So if you

978
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: want to, you know, wear a lot of makeup and

979
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: you know, present in a very like hyper feminine way

980
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: that historically and traditionally is the thing that like appeals to,

981
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: like the heteronormative male gaze. If you want to do that,

982
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: absolutely fucking go off. If you if you want to

983
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: reject that and uh, you know not do any of that,

984
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: absolutely go off. Also, Like it's just it's all about

985
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: like choice and doing what you and that's punk and

986
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: that's why VR do s. I always find it interesting

987
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: to watch, um women are not of my generation trying

988
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: to navigate these issues and like how I don't know.

989
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: My mom was pretty open to stuff, but sometimes she

990
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: genuinely is like, wait, I'm confused. Where we were hanging out.

991
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: I was pool side with my mommy incredible um, and

992
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: she like noticed that I had shaved my armpits, which

993
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: usually I don't, but I just sort of like, I

994
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: don't know, I just felt like it. So I did,

995
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: and I didn't think anything of it because I was

996
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: like whatever, And she was like, wait, I thought you

997
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: didn't shave your armpits because you're a feminist, and like

998
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: she was like coming from a good place. She's like,

999
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm confused. I thought that you didn't do that because

1000
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: because of your rights. And I was like and then

1001
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: I was like weirdly having a hard time to describe.

1002
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: She's like, why did you do it? I was like,

1003
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just wanted to. And I was like,

1004
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: that's what I was saying that that's what That's what

1005
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,479
Speaker 1: I mean. I just should be able to do whatever

1006
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: the funk. I want to not think about it. So

1007
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: but for a second I was in my head. I

1008
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: was like, have I regressed? And I was like no,

1009
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: I think it's just like a little uncomfortable, and so

1010
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: it's just that you can do whatever you want with

1011
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: your body. So I just thought it was fascinating to

1012
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: like have that be something that like Bobo is very

1013
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: clearly grappling with and like the scene where she goes

1014
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: to meet up with Ellis one on one, she has

1015
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: like spiked her hair the way that the other boy

1016
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: she likes taught her to do it, and she takes

1017
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: off her glasses. I think because she perceives like her

1018
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: glasses is something that makes her less attractive. So like

1019
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: she's making these conscious choice is to um, you know,

1020
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: appear more attractive because she is in this like kind

1021
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: of like between a rock and a hard place kind

1022
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: of thing where she's like, well, I want to be

1023
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: punk and I want to reject beauty standards, but I

1024
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: also have this boy that I want to think things.

1025
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm like this boy that I want to think I'm cute,

1026
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: so very relatable and like you were alluding to me,

1027
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: like a lot of punk boys like still uphold those

1028
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: same standards while like technically being like, oh yeah, like punk,

1029
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: but with the asterisks of like unless I personally don't

1030
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: think it's hot, like kind of again, It's it's funny

1031
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: because like I have this very you know, this conception,

1032
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: like I'm going through my like teens and twenties like

1033
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: as a boy, even though my twenties was as a

1034
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: boy named Margaret who addresses um. But people would basically

1035
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: be like really shyly, like I've seen people both be

1036
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: afraid of being rejected. I've seen women in particular be

1037
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: afraid of being rejected for not shaving and for shaving,

1038
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, and like and most of the people that

1039
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: I'm talking to have had the experiences of being rejected

1040
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: for one or the other, because you will meet these

1041
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: like punk boys who are like, I can't believe you shave,

1042
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: you know, um, and I don't know. It's it's it's

1043
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: really it sucks to be a girl in our society.

1044
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: I just really like the way that this movie examines

1045
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: that in a way that's like not even a huge

1046
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: part of the story, but it's just like it's something

1047
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: that's obviously on like any teenager's mind or like it

1048
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: just like especially girls who are conditioned to I think

1049
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: that they need to be attractive and like do things

1050
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: to make them seem attractive, especially to boys. So again,

1051
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I liked that that was a part

1052
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: of the movie. And then that scene where they like

1053
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: give the guitar to head Vig to like that they're like, well,

1054
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: first let's show you. We have to show you how

1055
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: to do it, and then she's just like okay, and

1056
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: then they give it to her and she's like, first

1057
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: of all, it's out of tune. And then secondly she

1058
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: and then she like plays it so well, and you

1059
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: just see the faces of those two guys and they're like,

1060
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 1: oh shit, like in in such a satisfying way. And

1061
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: they did that off they too, where they like try

1062
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: to like weirdly play it off and act like they

1063
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: knew she could do that the whole time in a

1064
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: way that's completely possibly. They're like yeah, yeah, cool. It's

1065
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: like because even those people are like overly earnest, right,

1066
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: there're still they're being they're making unintelligent decisions. Um, but

1067
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: they're like not bad people. They're like, you know, they're

1068
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: just like being misogynist, right, but they're like, I don't know,

1069
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: it's just they're so earnest about that. They're like, oh,

1070
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: really excited for this thing, and you know, and they're

1071
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: so excited that they got the electric guitar, like you

1072
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:06,959
Speaker 1: know that they like went through a bunch of work

1073
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: to like get the girl band the electric guitar or whatever. Um, yeah,

1074
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: and I have them shipped just for full disclosure. Um,

1075
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 1: those two men, Oh yeah, I like that. I like

1076
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 1: that establishing with locals and being in love. Yeah, it's

1077
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: like it's misogyny and not necessarily a hateful way, but

1078
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: it's just like they assume that because they're girls, they

1079
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 1: can't do anything, or they assumed that like you know,

1080
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: oh you're you're a girl. You're girls in a band,

1081
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: so you're a girl band. And it's like they want

1082
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 1: to like help like include and like be inclusive and

1083
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: like yeah, girls can be in girl bands. Sure, but

1084
01:08:56,520 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 1: it's but they're they're misogyny manifests in a way that um,

1085
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: they just like don't trust that a girl could do anything. Okay,

1086
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: although I hate to say in their defense because I

1087
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:15,560
Speaker 1: don't really mean it, but they've heard bo bo and

1088
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: that is they are not they're chronically not instruction. Yeah,

1089
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: that's true. That's true. It's I do love that they're

1090
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: just bad like they're they're not. And well that's also

1091
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: like like very realistic. Yeah, they have never really taken

1092
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: a music lesson. They don't know how to play the

1093
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: instruments they're playing, and their band absolutely sucks carrying the

1094
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: whole band on her back. But it's like that's also

1095
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 1: why punk is the revolutionary like not in terms of

1096
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: actual social change, but no offense to it. Um. But

1097
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: because that's the whole thing. I love that punk and

1098
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: like other genres do this too, right, but I love

1099
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: that punk is like you can be awful, you can

1100
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: be just absolutely awful, and you can still play shows,

1101
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: Like you can have fun and you can play shows

1102
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 1: one because some of the music is dead simple, and

1103
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 1: two because no one cares if it's really bad. Um,

1104
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 1: because it's about the aesthetic that you're creating. It's an

1105
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 1: aesthetic that is that you can create easily, you know.

1106
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: And then at the same time, like they still also

1107
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: really like these really good bands I do. I will

1108
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: say though that the part where I'm like, I expected

1109
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 1: the boys that they go meet up with, I'm wondering

1110
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: if you all had this. I expected them to be

1111
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: like at least sixteen or seventeen. Um. I did not

1112
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 1: realize that they were because they're in a magazine and

1113
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: then you see them and you're like, I thought they

1114
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: were gonna be like, oh my god, what are we

1115
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: going to do with these thirteen year olds who showed up?

1116
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: You know? And I was expecting either very dark turn

1117
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 1: or just lots of awkwardness. Um, But then they're also yeah,

1118
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: who are who are a little better at their bands?

1119
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 1: A little better at who do play better music, but

1120
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: like like he's dead and Clara's kind of like you

1121
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: can tell a dead guy to fun. You're like, that's true,

1122
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: you can. And then like the big concert at the

1123
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: end of the movie, the way that like the third

1124
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: act of most movies have like that big event that

1125
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: you know, everything's been leading up to this, and usually

1126
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 1: it's like this big epic, like extremely climactic like moment

1127
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: in the movie. But the big concert quote unquote at

1128
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: the end of this movie is maybe my favorite version

1129
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 1: of this that I've ever seen, because it goes horribly there.

1130
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: They don't play the music well, everyone's yelling at them

1131
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 1: and calling them communist counts, and then they just say, well,

1132
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 1: fuck you, fuck you in your shitty town. We are

1133
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: the best. And it's just like such a beautiful, like

1134
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 1: climactic moment of like of the movie. And uh, I

1135
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: feel like they in a way they kind of like

1136
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,560
Speaker 1: they started like a small riot, like they did a

1137
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 1: very punk thing. So it's great, like and I love

1138
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 1: that they like it's not even like it's a contest again,

1139
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 1: I'm just school of frocking it, but it's like they

1140
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: like they had an awesome I didn't there there's so

1141
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 1: few like examples of like I don't know, just like

1142
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: kids doing stuff too because they want to and like

1143
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: it's fun and like that's I don't know. I mean

1144
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 1: I think I know that that's like somewhat of a

1145
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 1: generational thing too, but like, uh, you know, being raised

1146
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 1: to like excel at stuff and like if you're not

1147
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 1: good at it, there's no point been doing it. I

1148
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 1: feel like that is like a very more modern and

1149
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: it seems to be like dissipating a little bit, but

1150
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 1: definitely like a very strong millennial like instilled in you

1151
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: of like, well you do things be to become a resume,

1152
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 1: like not because you just want to kind of funk

1153
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: around and have fun. If working around and having fun

1154
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: as a waste of time. And to see these kids

1155
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: like be not very good kind of know that they

1156
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: want to be better, but it's not like they're not

1157
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: like losing sleepover being better and they're just like sucking

1158
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 1: around and having a good time. It's just I don't know,

1159
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: it shouldn't feel so refreshing to see kids sucking around

1160
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: and having a good time without like having a meltdown

1161
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: of like I'm not good enough. At this but it

1162
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 1: was I mean, it was it was cool. We normally

1163
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 1: would see like the Merry Sue version of like, well

1164
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: they start playing instruments and they get so good so fast,

1165
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 1: and I know there are criticisms about like to criticize

1166
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: something because it's a Merry Sooth thing. I don't know.

1167
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: We'll get we'll get into it in another episode. But

1168
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,719
Speaker 1: normally you'd have like, oh, there they start playing music,

1169
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 1: and yeah, they're kind of bad at first, but then

1170
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: we see a training montage and then they're really good afterwards.

1171
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: And that never happens in this movie because it takes

1172
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,560
Speaker 1: really long because it takes a really long time to

1173
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: get good at an instrument, and they are where they

1174
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 1: kind of like don't have to if they don't want

1175
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 1: to anyway, Like, yeah, girls and women being mediocre, we

1176
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 1: should see more of it. It's something to celebrate. So

1177
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: one time I was a drummer for a band on tour.

1178
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm not a drummer. I do not play drums. I technically, um,

1179
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: I have some drums I built that are actually within

1180
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,600
Speaker 1: read but I hit them and I record them and

1181
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:52,600
Speaker 1: then I program the sounds that they make. UM. But

1182
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 1: one time, ten years ago or something. My friend is

1183
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 1: in this uh, this goth band, it's fairly punk. We're like, hey, come,

1184
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: we kicked out our key tar player. We need a

1185
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 1: third person for a band. Come on tour with us.

1186
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'd love to play keytar and

1187
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: they're like, no, no, no, we want a drummer. And

1188
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'd love to play keytar for you, and

1189
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: they were like, we'll fly you out two weeks early

1190
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 1: and you have two weeks to hang out in our

1191
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: apartment and learn how to play drums. But there's another

1192
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: way that you can't get away with being mediocre, which

1193
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 1: is electronic music. And so because I was playing this

1194
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 1: electronic drum kit, but there's so many backing tracks going

1195
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 1: on that on my my friend's wedding anniversary is this

1196
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 1: power couple band. We're playing in Providence from Island, and

1197
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 1: I just start fucking drifting. I've like lost everything. I'm

1198
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: just like drifting off. I'm like fucking lost, and and

1199
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 1: the guitar yeah, and he walks over and he presses

1200
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: this pedal that he never told me about that that

1201
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: mutes me and brings up backing tracks of exactly what

1202
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: I'm playing for the rest of the night. I'm a

1203
01:15:56,439 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: glorified stage dancer, um, pretending play drums of drums, and

1204
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 1: I was I was so grateful because I was like,

1205
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 1: I told you, I'm not a fucking drummer, right, So

1206
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: you can't learn to play drums in two weeks. All

1207
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: you have to do is uh fail, yeah, play fail

1208
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: on stage always far yeah. Oh my god. I Stories.

1209
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: I keep to listen to Margaret stories all day, Like, okay, wait,

1210
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 1: I have one more about I wrote this one down

1211
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 1: because I have to figure out how to shoehorn this

1212
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 1: and it's about a Swedish punk girl. Um. And one

1213
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,640
Speaker 1: time I'm in I'm in Sweden and I'm staying at

1214
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 1: this cooperatively owned I've only spent like maybe a total

1215
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 1: like three weeks in Sweden, but I'm really impressed by

1216
01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that's going on. I'm in town

1217
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,679
Speaker 1: for the anarchist but fair and the anarchists also owned

1218
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: this entire apartment building that's cooperatives. Sorry, it's it's co

1219
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:06,600
Speaker 1: op owned, so instead of having to live in a

1220
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 1: communal house, you get your own whole apartment. But then

1221
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: the whole building is a cooperative, so there's some shared

1222
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 1: infrastructure and these like more hippie ish anarchists or whatever.

1223
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: They have this punk kid who's like nine, and she's

1224
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 1: like she's convinced her best friend, who's this boy, to

1225
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 1: be in a band with her. And she's like mom, Mom, Mom.

1226
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: And she doesn't speak English and she's like, mom, you

1227
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: have to interpret for me because I'm going to play

1228
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 1: Margaret a song. And so I got to see this, uh,

1229
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: this band of two nine year old maybe ten year

1230
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 1: old Swedish kids and and it was like one of

1231
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:43,680
Speaker 1: them has a keyboard and I don't know if the

1232
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 1: other one had an instrument, and they're just like da

1233
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 1: da da, I don't want to go to bed. I

1234
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:53,600
Speaker 1: hate bedtime. I want want to go to bed. And

1235
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: it ruled. It was the most punk thing I've ever seen.

1236
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: It was a it was just me and mom in

1237
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 1: the audience. Uh. And I it's like I wrote this down,

1238
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 1: is like I don't know where to shoehorn this in,

1239
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 1: but I really am excited to tell the story. That's

1240
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 1: the perfect Oh my god, and what and actually broke

1241
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 1: my head a little bit. Just realize that those two

1242
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 1: kids are now adults. Um. And so if you ever

1243
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 1: played this please reach out to me. They are the

1244
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 1: biggest fans and listeners of the Battle Cast. I mean,

1245
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 1: stranger things have happened in regards to this show, like

1246
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: people just pop their head out of the woodwork. Wait

1247
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: that is so, that's beautiful. And they also were teaching

1248
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 1: me Swedish um as we would like walk through the forest.

1249
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: They were basically like, what's wrong with this idiot? Why

1250
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 1: doesn't she understand Swedish, which is a perfectly legitimate question

1251
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 1: when I'm in Sweden. Um. And so they're just like

1252
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: pointing out objects and telling me the word for them,

1253
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 1: and um, and all I remember is hop and skip up.

1254
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: This is the like which is jump and run. Um.

1255
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:05,560
Speaker 1: But oh but that sounds so English words. Yeah, and

1256
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 1: I remember because it was like nine year olds jumping

1257
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:12,719
Speaker 1: up and down quite hot. Do you understand? Do you understand?

1258
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,719
Speaker 1: And what do you say? Everyone? Let's take another break,

1259
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:24,640
Speaker 1: Let's do it, let's do it, let's do it. I

1260
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:26,679
Speaker 1: I wade that like a bunch of like little things

1261
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: that you're just like, Wow, great childhood. Okay, let's finger

1262
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: toothbrush culture loved impromptu sleepover finger toothbrush. Been there, done that,

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01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: been there, done that? You still go there every once

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01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 1: in a while. You never know when Fingertoothbrush is going

1265
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 1: to come back into the mix. I wrote down a

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01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: bunch of things that I loved here. Let me see

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01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:56,600
Speaker 1: um the So there's that scene where they're thinking of

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01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 1: recruiting hell Vig, but they're like, but she's a Christian

1269
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if this is going to work out,

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01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:05,759
Speaker 1: And then Bobo says, will we will influence her away

1271
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 1: from God? The funniest line of dialogue in the world,

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01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: And then they're like, actually, it will be really like

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01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 1: political of us to hang out with someone less fortunate, um,

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01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 1: because she doesn't have any friends and so she's less fortunate.

1275
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 1: And then and then they say if she doesn't stop

1276
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: being a Christian, will kick her out. And then Clara

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01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 1: plays her plays head Vig a song called hang God

1278
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 1: and then tries to convince her that it's a Christian song.

1279
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: That whole string of events was so funny, and I

1280
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 1: also like the head Vig in spite of and now

1281
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 1: it makes sense. I'm seeing now, Margaret that um that

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01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 1: the filmmaker is um a pretty devout Christian but also

1283
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: a feminist, and like that that they don't talk head

1284
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 1: vig out of being a Christian. I think that she

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01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 1: remains a Christian punk the whole time and like stays

1286
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: true to herself and her friends, except that about her,

1287
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,680
Speaker 1: which is like just another fun like little thing that

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01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 1: they don't draw a ton of attention to. But God,

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01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:13,640
Speaker 1: I love that's like where you're like, man, kids like um,

1290
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 1: kids like Clara are the best when they're just like

1291
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 1: they go so hard, they're so reckless, and they're like,

1292
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna kill God, catch up as God. Gosh.

1293
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:29,560
Speaker 1: I love when Clara Clara calls her brother a fascist

1294
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: and a cop because he doesn't want her and Bobo

1295
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 1: to stay in the room during his party. He doesn't

1296
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 1: want a thirteen year old to get drunk and so

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01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:43,719
Speaker 1: he is a fashion cop. She's like, you're a fascist.

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01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 1: And the drinking age is probably in Sweden for beer

1299
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 1: and wine at this point. I'm not and I know

1300
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 1: that at least the beer age was sixteen at some

1301
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 1: point while I was there, and I was really confused.

1302
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 1: My biggest not criticism of this film, but the hardest

1303
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 1: part to connect for me is that these are the

1304
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 1: biggest problems. Yes, it's like sure, and it's kind of

1305
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: interesting to me because like punk is this like you know,

1306
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:16,799
Speaker 1: this music of the the rejected, the music of rebellion

1307
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,639
Speaker 1: or whatever. But it's it's actually kind of cool because

1308
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 1: it I think it has like an inherent almost critique

1309
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 1: of punk within it and that it's like Clara is

1310
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 1: the most punk and she's rejecting her perfectly loving family

1311
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 1: and that's useful to her, right, It's like useful for

1312
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 1: her to you know, separate herself out from her parents

1313
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: or whatever. But like, you know, you can see why

1314
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 1: this might not connect with the the modern person coming

1315
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,679
Speaker 1: up into a like will there is there a future?

1316
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:52,719
Speaker 1: Right um? And which which is part of the crucible

1317
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 1: of punk being formed as you know, cold war lack

1318
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: of future or whatever. And I don't know, but it's

1319
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 1: just it's it's really interest see to because it's this

1320
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 1: very uh, it's it's a very middle class punk set up,

1321
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 1: although you also get the impression that the middle classes

1322
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: because of a strong social net, like because a single

1323
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 1: mom is also totally fine at least appears to be

1324
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 1: totally fine financially. Obviously, she has emotional issues that her

1325
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 1: child is perfectly willing to help her deal with, which

1326
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:24,600
Speaker 1: is very sweet. Um. I don't know anyway, that was

1327
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 1: the part for me that I was like, it actually

1328
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 1: made me kind of sad, like nostalgic for when there's

1329
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 1: a future. Yeah, yeah, I did also kind of because

1330
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:39,680
Speaker 1: I also was like, I'm maybe just not familiar enough

1331
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: with the economics of Sweden, but it did seem to

1332
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: be like a lower middle class, Like they weren't their

1333
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: immediate needs were always met. They didn't seem to encounter

1334
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: people whose immediate needs were not being met. Um, which

1335
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: is fine, but yeah, like that is like a very

1336
01:23:56,400 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 1: specific class sliver of punk kids to show. Um, I

1337
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 1: wanted to I wanted to talk really quickly about the

1338
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 1: parents too, because Bobo, Um, I mean Clara, I kind

1339
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: of like that Clara's family structure. It's like almost presented

1340
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 1: in a jokey way of like Clara uh wants to

1341
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 1: have more problems than she maybe actually does. Um, her

1342
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 1: family is really sweet and her biggest problem with her

1343
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 1: brother likes joy division now and like her dad is

1344
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 1: annoying when he plays the clarinet. Like very very sweet family. Um,

1345
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 1: Bobo's I like that, Bobo is I think my impression

1346
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: anyways was that like her introvertedness and her like insecurities

1347
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 1: probably are connected to her home life as well, because like,

1348
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, I found this to be kind of

1349
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 1: like a relatable dynamic of like she's it's like her

1350
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: mom clearly loves her very much, like wants to be supportive,

1351
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:04,959
Speaker 1: wants to be there for her, but needs parenting herself,

1352
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 1: and so like just like the Bobo knows way too

1353
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 1: much about her mom's personal life, and like her mom

1354
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,679
Speaker 1: sometimes treats her more as a friend than a guardian.

1355
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 1: She doesn't always know where she is, like stuff that

1356
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 1: it's like, But I also like that it's like it's

1357
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 1: she's not positioned as like a bad parent, but it's

1358
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 1: like clear that their relationship is complicated and that she

1359
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 1: can't be there for Bobo in all the ways that Bobo,

1360
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 1: you know, needs an adult Headpig's mom too like embarrassing

1361
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:47,640
Speaker 1: to religious mom culture. She was like, my friends are

1362
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 1: going to disown me because my mom is threatening to

1363
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 1: arrest them h and drag them to church like calling

1364
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: the Mr. Doesn't ever say you can't hang out with

1365
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 1: those two their bad influence. Yeah, Yeah, It's like there

1366
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 1: there's a lot of gray area in people in the

1367
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 1: way that like exists in the real world and also

1368
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 1: feels so like small community vibes where it's like they

1369
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 1: like you're saying earlier market with the like the two

1370
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 1: guys who run the youth center, it's like they are

1371
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:27,640
Speaker 1: not bad people, but they just have some ingrained behaviors

1372
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 1: that these kids are challenging in them that they're like

1373
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: not quite ready to unlearn, and like, but this is

1374
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 1: the youth center, So where else are they going to go?

1375
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:38,680
Speaker 1: They have to like learn how to talk to each

1376
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 1: other because this is the only place where there's one

1377
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 1: bass guitar and one drum kit and like, yeah, yeah,

1378
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 1: I also love that that scene where Hedwig's mom like

1379
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,759
Speaker 1: fixes Bobo and Clara like cookies and milk and tea,

1380
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 1: like cookies and tea and drinks and snacks, and then

1381
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 1: she sits them down. She's like, I'm gonna put I'm

1382
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,640
Speaker 1: going to report him to the police. But before that,

1383
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 1: she's like, can I get you anything? Do you want

1384
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 1: more cookies? Do you think it was all a faint

1385
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 1: Like do you think because because clearly that you have

1386
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 1: to go with church with me was just a moral lesson, right,

1387
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 1: not an actual attempt to force them to go to church.

1388
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: Do you think that the I'm going to call the

1389
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 1: police was like an actual threat or a way to

1390
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,560
Speaker 1: make them take it so seriously that they had to

1391
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 1: come over to talk. I think it was the latter.

1392
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:31,560
Speaker 1: I think it was just like, these kids need to

1393
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,839
Speaker 1: wake up call and I'm gonna in best case scenario,

1394
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 1: she scares them into going to church. Like that's the

1395
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 1: best case scenario for But yeah, I also did really

1396
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 1: appreciate I I fully thought, just based on like movie logic,

1397
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 1: that that would result in Headvig not being allowed to

1398
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: hang out with them anymore. Um, totally, but you know,

1399
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 1: they put her in check, and I like that it

1400
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: kind of remained a little ambiguous whether like head Vig

1401
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 1: sent one at that haircut or not, Like she didn't

1402
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: end up being upset about it and it looks great, um,

1403
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,640
Speaker 1: but there. I mean, that's like a very another very

1404
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 1: middle school thing where like you like, you're like, I'm

1405
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 1: not as old than this. It's not going to hurt me,

1406
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 1: but I don't know. And then you know, maybe he

1407
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 1: talked to an adult later and you're like, IM bummed out,

1408
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 1: and then they you know, and then hopefully they don't

1409
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 1: threaten to arrest your friends, but sometimes that will happen.

1410
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 1: I guess. Well. Also, it was like, you know, because

1411
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 1: little Sister is the snitch, Little Sister is the only

1412
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 1: bad character in the the only villain snitches them out,

1413
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 1: and you get the impression that it was little Sister

1414
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 1: says I saw her trying not to get her hair cut,

1415
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 1: which is like true, you know, um, but it's like

1416
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 1: not the whole story. It seems like she probably was,

1417
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 1: and you all were talking about this earlier, and I

1418
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 1: really resonated with it. It's like I really needed my

1419
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 1: friends who kicked dragged me kicking and screaming into trouble.

1420
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: Um a little bit lucky, but it worked out as

1421
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 1: well as it did. Um, But I really appreciate it

1422
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:14,680
Speaker 1: because I was also the like, you know, like, I

1423
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: don't know, guys, if we should really crime right now right?

1424
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes you need the friend that's like this is this

1425
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 1: is a good crime. We're going to do this one

1426
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 1: yeah totally, And you're like, oh, okay, cool, yeah yeah

1427
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 1: mm hmm. And then I love that it's it's head

1428
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 1: vig at the end when um Clara and Bobo are

1429
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 1: fighting over Ellis, with which again, like on the surface,

1430
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 1: that just might seem like a oh, two girls fighting

1431
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 1: over a boy, like, but like, I don't know the

1432
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 1: way it's handled in this movie, it's just more than

1433
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 1: I like that. It's like clear, that's like they're fighting

1434
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:57,679
Speaker 1: about the basic guitar there. Yeah, that basically they're fighting

1435
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 1: about how the bar always steam rolls bow bow and

1436
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:05,560
Speaker 1: tells her what she wants exactly right totally um. But

1437
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 1: on the surface, and yeah, it just kind of seems

1438
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 1: like they're fighting over a boy. And I love the

1439
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 1: head vague facilitates. They're like makeup and she's like, now

1440
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: you look the other one in the eye and say

1441
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 1: I like you. And then now it's your turn. You

1442
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: do it. You say I like you to your friend,

1443
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:27,680
Speaker 1: and then they do it, and it's so sweet and

1444
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 1: I just there bond their their friendship between the three

1445
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 1: of them is just so precious. And I because I

1446
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 1: wrote down in my like my notes, uh, one of

1447
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 1: the lines is a feature length of exploration of being

1448
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:48,559
Speaker 1: why heterosexuals is a shame um, because it's like they're

1449
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 1: all like fighting over these boys that they don't actually

1450
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 1: like and they but then I actually later after really

1451
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 1: sitting with it. I was like, you know, I actually

1452
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 1: this works really well, Like it's it's not it's not

1453
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 1: declaring any of these characters heterosexual, but it is definitely

1454
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 1: saying that, like at least at least two of them

1455
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 1: have had her sexual love interests. We don't head. VIC

1456
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 1: has like a moment, right, which could mean anything when

1457
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: you're like when you're you, and I actually realized in

1458
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 1: some ways, I think if it was made now in

1459
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 1: the US, it might end up like more directly a

1460
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 1: queer film, and that wouldn't be inherently bad. But there's

1461
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 1: actually something really pure about the fact that they just

1462
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:32,360
Speaker 1: sort of don't know what they're doing within this context. Um,

1463
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. I had this moment where I was like, wait,

1464
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:38,639
Speaker 1: am I glad that anyway? I I don't know where

1465
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm going with this. I'm just done. Now. Are you

1466
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 1: saying you're shipping more of the characters? Well? Like, perhaps no,

1467
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 1: but it's like you see the way that you know,

1468
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 1: we we think so much in society, or at least

1469
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 1: I do, like especially since I do a lot of

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01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 1: like history research and and no one ever writes about

1471
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 1: the homosexuality of people before, right, and you you have

1472
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 1: this like gap How's problem where it's like you cannot

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01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 1: tell who's gay in history because is she just a

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01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 1: cat lady who lives in a tower by herself, or

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01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 1: is she a cat lady who lives with her best

1476
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 1: friend in the tower by the two of themselves? Like

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01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 1: that still doesn't actually tell you whether or not they

1478
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,760
Speaker 1: we're dating, um, or whether or not this person has

1479
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 1: no interest in men like ace characters are also people

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01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 1: are written out of history and so no, I I

1481
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:30,799
Speaker 1: lost my train of thought here. Um, But it's okay,

1482
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 1: So they have a lot of like gal pal energy, right,

1483
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 1: but that's also just an honest way that humans can interact.

1484
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: Like one of the things that I think is one

1485
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 1: of the biggest shames about patriarchy. Um, clearly the treatment

1486
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 1: of women are being a bigger deal. But but you

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01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:50,680
Speaker 1: see old video, you know, you see old pictures of

1488
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:53,679
Speaker 1: men and they can interact with other men in ways

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01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:57,640
Speaker 1: that are affectionate without its saying anything one way or

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01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:01,640
Speaker 1: the other about the sexuality. Um. We talk about this

1491
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 1: quite a bit on the show where like Different how Like.

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01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:10,639
Speaker 1: I think we talked about this most recently on Top Gun,

1493
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 1: the Top Gun episode where everyone's like this is the

1494
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 1: gayest movie ever made. And it's like, well, that might

1495
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:21,679
Speaker 1: be true, and maybe those characters are queer and interested

1496
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 1: in each other, or that queer and not interested in

1497
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:26,759
Speaker 1: each other like it could be, or they're just friends

1498
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 1: who have male affection toward each other. It could be

1499
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 1: any number of things. But people automatically look at male

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01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:40,439
Speaker 1: affection and ascribe, oh, they must be gay, um to it. So,

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01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 1: which is like, you know, it's it's more complicated than that,

1502
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 1: and you know there's a lot there's a bigger discussion

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01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 1: to be had, but um, yeah, let's let's let people

1504
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 1: be friends, you know, and speaking about you're talking about

1505
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 1: Margaret of like, I mean it's like, yeah, we have

1506
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 1: we have no idea where these kids are gonna like

1507
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 1: land in terms of their identity, and I like that

1508
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 1: you kind of get the feeling even like every single

1509
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:13,479
Speaker 1: party between like the two middle school punk bands, like

1510
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 1: it's fully like they're performing for each other of like

1511
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:22,600
Speaker 1: oh we are in we're we are dating. No, we're not,

1512
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 1: And like I'm putting my arm around you. What does

1513
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 1: it mean I'm touching your hand? Like there, it's like

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01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 1: like any kid, Yeah, it's almost like okay, well, this

1515
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:36,560
Speaker 1: is how I have seen heterosexuality laid out for me,

1516
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 1: especially like eight two, I can't imagine, uh, and like

1517
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:43,720
Speaker 1: now I am doing it, and then it's like who

1518
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 1: knows what happens down the line when um, yeah, it's

1519
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 1: it's it's sweet, and the way it's presented is like innocent,

1520
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 1: even when you're right with with with Ellis. And also

1521
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 1: I mean to Ellis's cry at it, you know, way

1522
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 1: easier to go to someone you just fucking fall off

1523
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 1: the map doesn't matter, especially because he appears to live

1524
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 1: in a suburb, which they make fun of himymore. They're like,

1525
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 1: where what is this? There's a forest over here and

1526
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:24,599
Speaker 1: he's like no. The last thing I kind of wanted

1527
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 1: to touch on, and I think this might go back

1528
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 1: to sort of that like beauty standards conversation. But um,

1529
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:36,720
Speaker 1: there's that scene where Clara and Bobo are talking to

1530
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 1: two girls. It's toward the beginning of the movie working together,

1531
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 1: like the leotard, very spandex like yeah do do do

1532
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 1: do do? Yeah? The dance at the at the talent show. Um, yes,

1533
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 1: they because those are girls who like they're wearing Pastel's

1534
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:03,400
Speaker 1: and they're blonde. Is long, and they're kind of like

1535
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 1: giving bobone Clara a hard time for just like looking

1536
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:11,680
Speaker 1: the way they do and behaving the way they do.

1537
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:17,800
Speaker 1: And I feel like, uh, this, this is reminiscent of

1538
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 1: the like, well, our characters are not like the other

1539
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 1: Girls thing. But again, the way it's presented in this movie,

1540
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 1: it's it's it just it felt different than that. It

1541
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 1: just it felt more like, yeah, these two characters are

1542
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 1: you know, kind of they would be considered oddballs quote

1543
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:50,720
Speaker 1: unquote by like mainstream society because they're very intentionally doing that,

1544
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:56,680
Speaker 1: like you know try you know, like rejecting societies standards,

1545
01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:01,719
Speaker 1: um and the will. They are kind of casting judgment

1546
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 1: on these like quote unquote normy girls. It just I

1547
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 1: don't know, I cannot explain why it feels different. But

1548
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:12,960
Speaker 1: the way we criticized they, like, I didn't feel like,

1549
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:15,479
Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, they're not like the other girls.

1550
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 1: Didn't feel like a movie bullying like that, didn't they

1551
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:22,640
Speaker 1: didn't even feel like even like a movie bullying interactions

1552
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 1: like that. I felt like kids that were like, like

1553
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 1: the girls were being mean too, Bobbo and Clara. Yes, yes,

1554
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:41,519
Speaker 1: I was like, oh god, these many Olivia dudont John's

1555
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 1: are telling them that Punk is dead. That's that's gotta hurt,

1556
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:48,800
Speaker 1: that's gotta sting. Um. But it did feel like, I

1557
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 1: don't know, it just feel like a very like kid

1558
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:52,519
Speaker 1: interaction of like no one really knows what they're talking

1559
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:56,240
Speaker 1: about in this interaction. Um. It didn't feel like the

1560
01:37:56,439 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 1: like overwritten middle school bullies that you're used to saying

1561
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:03,640
Speaker 1: in movies. It was like like, yeah, these kids are

1562
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 1: not going to be friends. They don't have a lot

1563
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:09,960
Speaker 1: of respect for each other. But it's not like I

1564
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,439
Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah I agree, and and and I feel

1565
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 1: like it's you avoid the like not like other girls

1566
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:19,240
Speaker 1: trope by just like getting to know that character, which

1567
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:21,680
Speaker 1: is what this this entire movie is. It's like we

1568
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:25,280
Speaker 1: know so much about their background, like what draws them

1569
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:27,840
Speaker 1: to Punk, what draws them to each other, and and

1570
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:33,200
Speaker 1: all this stuff like it'll makes sense. It does. So, Yeah,

1571
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 1: that was the last thing I wanted to touch on.

1572
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 1: Is there anything else I think that I guess like

1573
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:41,759
Speaker 1: from an intersectional point of view, it's like worth pointing

1574
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:47,360
Speaker 1: out that I believe the entire cast like is entirely white. Um,

1575
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 1: And yeah, I kind of like did a little bit

1576
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:53,840
Speaker 1: of but not a ton of digging too, Like you know,

1577
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 1: it's just like there's a certain amount you can just

1578
01:38:56,080 --> 01:39:01,400
Speaker 1: sort of say, like Swede, you know, um right, I

1579
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 1: feel like Sweden is kind of famously rather homogeneous in

1580
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:12,200
Speaker 1: terms of not entirely demographic fixed, not entirely, but like

1581
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 1: it is not quite the like cultural melting pot is

1582
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 1: like other places. Um. But yeah, I I definitely um um.

1583
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 1: I was curious about that too, because I'm like, is

1584
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:30,240
Speaker 1: this just what the demographics of Sweden were at this time?

1585
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 1: But they're also in a major city, and it did

1586
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 1: feel like this is this is especially white even for

1587
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 1: Sweden my understanding, and I I'm not an expert in this.

1588
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:44,439
Speaker 1: I know a little bit more about Finland than I do.

1589
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 1: I avoided all of the problems that you while we're

1590
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 1: talking about about accidentally causing drama within your friend groups

1591
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 1: by dating people. But I just dated a finished girl

1592
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:55,719
Speaker 1: all throughout high school who lived in a different country,

1593
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 1: and so I got to you wouldn't know if she

1594
01:39:57,320 --> 01:40:01,400
Speaker 1: doesn't go here, she's in one in this country. UM.

1595
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:04,920
Speaker 1: Love that. Yeah, And which honestly was probably my like

1596
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:06,679
Speaker 1: low key way of just being like, I don't actually

1597
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:10,760
Speaker 1: want to date. This all seems weird and let's see. UM.

1598
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:14,679
Speaker 1: So I don't know as much about Sweden, and probably

1599
01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:16,560
Speaker 1: some of the listeners do, but I'm I'm under the

1600
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:21,519
Speaker 1: impression one that UM, at least more recently, the suburbs

1601
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:24,800
Speaker 1: versus city thing is inverted in Sweden and a lot

1602
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:27,640
Speaker 1: of places in Europe. UM, the suburbs would actually be

1603
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:31,760
Speaker 1: more of a marker of being poor, uh, and also

1604
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:34,360
Speaker 1: be more likely to have a more stronger immigrant culture

1605
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:38,479
Speaker 1: to to my understanding, and this does not reflect back

1606
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:41,519
Speaker 1: to the eighties UM. And then also a lot of

1607
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:47,160
Speaker 1: the waves of immigration from UM I believe mostly North

1608
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:51,000
Speaker 1: Africa and UM swanna. Is that the way that I'm

1609
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:56,000
Speaker 1: new to this terminology UM Southwest Asia and north Northern Africa. UM.

1610
01:40:57,400 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 1: I mean I believe that was more like the mid

1611
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:05,920
Speaker 1: to late nineties. UM. But I again not a demographics expert,

1612
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:08,599
Speaker 1: and I but one of the only reasons worth bringing

1613
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:12,639
Speaker 1: it up is one there's a coziness to this particular

1614
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:17,519
Speaker 1: punk fantasy or whatever that that's very sweet but is

1615
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 1: like complicated by the current rising. I'm really not trying

1616
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:23,960
Speaker 1: to hold this movie to these standards, but it's just

1617
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,280
Speaker 1: like feels worth pointing out that like, um, there's a

1618
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 1: lot of problems with racism in particular in Sweden. Again

1619
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 1: not trying to pretend like I don't live in a

1620
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 1: country full of racism, but like so, there's a certain

1621
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:40,040
Speaker 1: amount of like the all whitenesses feels it's like marked

1622
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:42,559
Speaker 1: to me because of the current context. But I don't

1623
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:45,360
Speaker 1: have enough information to know whether it feels marked to

1624
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:48,000
Speaker 1: the context in which it was made or the context

1625
01:41:48,040 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 1: of the time it represents. As always, if there are

1626
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:54,600
Speaker 1: any UM listeners who can shed more light on this,

1627
01:41:55,640 --> 01:42:00,479
Speaker 1: listeners from Sweden, UM or just anyone who has more information,

1628
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 1: feel free to share. UM No, I'm glad you brought

1629
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:07,559
Speaker 1: it up, though, because that's something that I think sometimes

1630
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:10,040
Speaker 1: we are guilty of of being like, well, yeah, this

1631
01:42:10,200 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 1: movie sucks on the issue of race, but we we

1632
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:15,880
Speaker 1: don't know, we have enough information, so we're not sure,

1633
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:18,040
Speaker 1: and then we kind of drop it in a way

1634
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:22,240
Speaker 1: that we probably should not. We should continue to research

1635
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:26,320
Speaker 1: and have a better perspective UM on the whole, because

1636
01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:29,880
Speaker 1: I mean, like so many movies, there is no reason

1637
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:32,920
Speaker 1: that the cast to this movie should be all white.

1638
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 1: You're making a fucking movie and also there's no way

1639
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:38,720
Speaker 1: that was true. Um, that that could be true? So, um,

1640
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 1: does that bring us to the Bachchel test, of which

1641
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:50,880
Speaker 1: which this movie passes very handily, almost constantly, mostly between

1642
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:57,599
Speaker 1: Bobo Clara and head Vig and um, but yeah, there's

1643
01:42:57,680 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 1: there's other combinations. But yeah, it's a girls talking about

1644
01:43:02,479 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 1: punk music, it's girls talking about religion, it's girls talking

1645
01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 1: about sometimes you know, boys and ellis and stuff. But um, yeah,

1646
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:19,880
Speaker 1: it's it's a whole handful of many different things I know,

1647
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:22,120
Speaker 1: and it's it's so effortless. It's just like what the

1648
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 1: story is. And I love that we get to see

1649
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 1: every kind of facet of these kids inner world. It's awesome.

1650
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:30,200
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm excited to watch it again to

1651
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 1: recommend it. It's also like, if you haven't watched this movie,

1652
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:42,479
Speaker 1: it's streaming on goddamn tube. It's amazing great, So if

1653
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 1: you haven't watched it and you enjoyed this episode, get

1654
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:47,519
Speaker 1: to it. So let's let's go. Let's get to our

1655
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 1: our nipple scale. Nipple scales zero to five nipples based

1656
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:55,840
Speaker 1: on how the movie fares when we examine it through

1657
01:43:56,080 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 1: an intersectional feminist lens, and I would say I would

1658
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:03,320
Speaker 1: give this, I think like a four point five um

1659
01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:10,519
Speaker 1: be cut docking it a little bit for but again, like, uh,

1660
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:13,720
Speaker 1: it's that tricky thing where it's like maybe these just

1661
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:18,719
Speaker 1: were the demographics of Sweden and nineteen early nineteen eighties,

1662
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:23,080
Speaker 1: or maybe it was just that they, you know, didn't

1663
01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:28,760
Speaker 1: think to be more inclusive. So um, I'll cautiously give

1664
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:34,360
Speaker 1: it four and a half nipples um because I think

1665
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 1: that otherwise it's doing a lot of really amazing things

1666
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:43,160
Speaker 1: as far as just like centering a female friendship, centering

1667
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:47,600
Speaker 1: just like girls in punk music, Like there's just not

1668
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:53,400
Speaker 1: many stories about that. Um. I think the examination of

1669
01:44:54,280 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 1: how different things like beauty standards and romance and misogyny

1670
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:07,960
Speaker 1: and like because they're in uh in like music, which

1671
01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:12,000
Speaker 1: is often kind of like a male dominated thing, and

1672
01:45:12,200 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 1: they are dealing with those youth center guys and the

1673
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:23,040
Speaker 1: Iron Fist band and like being misogynists towards them in

1674
01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:27,800
Speaker 1: kind of subtle ways and not like overtly hateful ways,

1675
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:29,640
Speaker 1: but like things that they still have to deal with,

1676
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 1: and just like all of those interesting, nuanced things that

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01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:37,440
Speaker 1: the movie explores in a very like seamless and effortless

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01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:41,479
Speaker 1: and authentic way I thought was really awesome. So I'm

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01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 1: gonna give the movie four and a half nipples. I'll

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01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:49,840
Speaker 1: give one to each of the gals in the band. Um,

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01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 1: I'll give one to the child acting in general, which

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01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 1: I thought was incredible. UM. I famously and very critical

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01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:01,519
Speaker 1: of child acting on the show. Uh. And maybe it's

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01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:04,400
Speaker 1: just because it's in a language that I don't speak,

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01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:07,679
Speaker 1: but I think you can. You can still tell when

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01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:11,679
Speaker 1: acting is good or bad even if you're not speaking

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01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:14,439
Speaker 1: that language. And I think it was really good acting.

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01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:21,400
Speaker 1: And then I'll give my half nipple two Um clarinet

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01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:27,000
Speaker 1: Dad clarinet, Dad's clarinet. As a former clarinet player myself,

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01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:32,880
Speaker 1: I gotta show the clarinet some love. I'll go. I'll

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01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:36,679
Speaker 1: go four point five as well. I do think it's

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01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:39,439
Speaker 1: worth bringing up that there's no country that having a

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01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:44,080
Speaker 1: completely white cast. Uh, you know, especially in a coming

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01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:46,400
Speaker 1: of age story, where like there was room for diversity

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01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:49,080
Speaker 1: in the story. There's no reason it needed to um

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01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:51,760
Speaker 1: be the way it was. I think I'm glad that

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01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:57,479
Speaker 1: we got to discuss that. And I really love this movie.

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01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:00,439
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a representation of girlhood and just

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01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:05,400
Speaker 1: the I don't know the like kind of like incredibly specific,

1700
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 1: specifically specific specificity. Let's go with that of but of

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01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:15,599
Speaker 1: of like uncomfortable coming of age experiences and like trying

1702
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 1: to figure your ship out and contradicting yourself all the time,

1703
01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:21,040
Speaker 1: and your parents suck, but they're trying and like it.

1704
01:47:21,439 --> 01:47:27,439
Speaker 1: Just there are so many like universal cool themes being

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01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:31,200
Speaker 1: explored here. I really love it and give it for nipples.

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01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:36,360
Speaker 1: I'd give one one each two head Vig, Bobo and

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01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 1: Clara on to give one to Clarinet Dad, and I'll

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01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 1: give the last half nipple with with a vote of

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01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:48,560
Speaker 1: faith that she'll do about her in the future to

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01:47:48,680 --> 01:47:53,240
Speaker 1: head Vig's little sister, the villain of the story. Yeah,

1711
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 1: maybe she was just actually really concerned for you know,

1712
01:47:55,880 --> 01:47:58,800
Speaker 1: headig sake. Yeah, she really thought head Vig was gonna

1713
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:03,840
Speaker 1: go to hell for that there, I mean speaking of

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01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:09,200
Speaker 1: calling a sibling a fascist, and she was the fascist

1715
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:12,560
Speaker 1: to write a song about her. I'm also going to

1716
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:15,040
Speaker 1: take the cheap way out and copy the same number

1717
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:17,640
Speaker 1: of nipples that you all give it. But I do

1718
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:21,519
Speaker 1: feel like it feels it feels right to me, Um,

1719
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 1: I will give And four point five is like the

1720
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:27,560
Speaker 1: punkest because you're like, I really liked it, but I

1721
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:33,000
Speaker 1: can't not be critical. Yeah, exactly, it's not perfect. And

1722
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:35,760
Speaker 1: oh my god. I used to review things on good

1723
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:39,040
Speaker 1: Reads before I had published books, and I used it

1724
01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:41,280
Speaker 1: like I didn't know that the internet meant five stars

1725
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:43,839
Speaker 1: is good and everything below it means it's absolute garbage.

1726
01:48:44,479 --> 01:48:47,040
Speaker 1: And so I used to like accurately rate things, and

1727
01:48:47,120 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 1: then people will get mad at me, Like after I

1728
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:51,080
Speaker 1: started publishing books, people will go to my good Reads

1729
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:53,880
Speaker 1: and be like, I can't believe Margaret Kiljoy gave four

1730
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:56,240
Speaker 1: stars to this other book as if as if her

1731
01:48:56,280 --> 01:48:58,360
Speaker 1: books are better, and I'm like, no, I would have

1732
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 1: given my book four stars, Like I know what's wrong

1733
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:04,080
Speaker 1: with it. I wrote it, you know. But anyway, um

1734
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:10,559
Speaker 1: from anyway, So one nipple goes to Clara's suit, one

1735
01:49:10,640 --> 01:49:15,160
Speaker 1: nipple goes to it being top three punk movies. UM.

1736
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:17,639
Speaker 1: One to the fact that they're not I'm not giving

1737
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:20,120
Speaker 1: them to people, I apologize. One is to the fact

1738
01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:22,400
Speaker 1: that they're not a punk band. Sorry, they're not a

1739
01:49:22,479 --> 01:49:26,840
Speaker 1: girl band. Sorry, terrible slip. Um one is to the

1740
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:28,840
Speaker 1: fact that there is no doubt in my mind that

1741
01:49:28,920 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 1: these girls would have taken in a trans girl. There's

1742
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:33,760
Speaker 1: no part of me that thinks that they would have

1743
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 1: rejected me from their crew. Um and my my half

1744
01:49:38,600 --> 01:49:41,519
Speaker 1: nipple goes to them fishing for people with yarn out

1745
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:48,960
Speaker 1: the window. That's true. We we cannot forget. Yeah the

1746
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:54,360
Speaker 1: absolute and then and then shout out to have you

1747
01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:57,320
Speaker 1: all seen together. I'm this guy's other movie about a

1748
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:00,559
Speaker 1: It's the best movie about a communal house that I've

1749
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:03,240
Speaker 1: ever seen, like in terms of like how communal living works.

1750
01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 1: It's a very similarly overly earnest, beautiful film. I've also

1751
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:10,080
Speaker 1: only saw it once, like five or six years ago.

1752
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:11,599
Speaker 1: I didn't know it's the same director. I just thought

1753
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:15,280
Speaker 1: Swedes were particularly good at making cozy films about things

1754
01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:20,200
Speaker 1: that I like. Anyway, sorry for shoehorning and everything that

1755
01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:27,040
Speaker 1: I want to not even a little bit um, Margaret,

1756
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:30,640
Speaker 1: it was such a treat having you. What would you

1757
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:34,160
Speaker 1: like to plug? Where can people follow you on social media?

1758
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:37,360
Speaker 1: All of that? Well, if you like hearing me talk

1759
01:50:37,400 --> 01:50:40,200
Speaker 1: about things I like, I have a podcast called Cool

1760
01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:42,639
Speaker 1: People Who Did Cool Stuff. You can hear me tell

1761
01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:47,960
Speaker 1: Jamie Loftus about the time that spain Um stole itself

1762
01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:51,920
Speaker 1: back from the bosses and the fascists for a little while. Um,

1763
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:56,519
Speaker 1: absolutely treat and that is a good place to find me.

1764
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:59,519
Speaker 1: It's on cool Zone Media and you can follow me

1765
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:01,800
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Magpie kill Joy. You can follow me

1766
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:05,760
Speaker 1: on Instagram at Margaret Killjoy. And I guess if you

1767
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:08,880
Speaker 1: like google my name, plus book or music or something,

1768
01:51:08,960 --> 01:51:13,240
Speaker 1: you can find the other stuff I do. Hell yeah, yeah,

1769
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:17,240
Speaker 1: thank you. So we're so I'm like just genuinely thrilled.

1770
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:19,760
Speaker 1: Uh you're on the show. I'm so glad we got

1771
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:21,240
Speaker 1: to talk about a punk movie. I don't think we've

1772
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:25,880
Speaker 1: ever covered a punk movie on Uh. So I think

1773
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:29,560
Speaker 1: it's good and important that we brought an authority in

1774
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:33,800
Speaker 1: for the occasion. Uh, thank you, so, thank you so

1775
01:51:33,960 --> 01:51:38,160
Speaker 1: much again for being here. Everyone listen to everything Market does.

1776
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:41,200
Speaker 1: It's the best as for us. You can find us

1777
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:46,040
Speaker 1: on social media and Instagram and Twitter at Bechdel Cast.

1778
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:49,720
Speaker 1: You join our patreon ak Matreon, where we cover two

1779
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:54,280
Speaker 1: additional movies just Caitlin and I every month, and there's

1780
01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:57,360
Speaker 1: also a backlog of over a hundred episodes. There so

1781
01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:00,280
Speaker 1: lots of lots of fun to be had over in

1782
01:52:00,360 --> 01:52:06,439
Speaker 1: the Matreon. We've got our merch which you can find

1783
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:11,920
Speaker 1: at t public dot com, slash the Bechtel Cast. Jamie,

1784
01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:19,160
Speaker 1: in a very punk way, designs all of it classic punk.

1785
01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:22,760
Speaker 1: I think everyone's gonna be like Caitlyn Do, like he's

1786
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:32,560
Speaker 1: pretty wide punk in your heart. Um, it's true. I

1787
01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:35,800
Speaker 1: like it when the one boy is kind of criticizing

1788
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:38,080
Speaker 1: what Clara is wearing and he's like, you don't look

1789
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:40,679
Speaker 1: very punk, and she's like, it's the opinions that matter.

1790
01:52:41,240 --> 01:52:44,440
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's you gotta have those punk opinions.

1791
01:52:45,439 --> 01:52:48,840
Speaker 1: So anyway, Jamie does design all of our march and

1792
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:51,519
Speaker 1: you can grab that again at public dot com, slash

1793
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:56,240
Speaker 1: the backtel cast and uh, you know, rate review Us, etcetera,

1794
01:52:57,200 --> 01:53:02,320
Speaker 1: and uh, otherwise, we are the best. You're the best,

1795
01:53:02,360 --> 01:53:05,679
Speaker 1: bet Bye bye