WEBVTT - Kelly AuCoin 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.200 Reddit had an entire thread after my first appearance about 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:05.600 whether or not I was a pedophile because of the wig, 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:08.719 literally because of the wig. 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:13.600 Oh you think it was about the wig. 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:23.800 I I'm Kelly o'coin, I'm bald, and I love whiskey. 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:38.639 Give me too, Kelly, me too. Hello everybody, and welcome 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:42.239 to my podcast Off the Beat, or if you've been 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:46.320 here before, welcome back to Off the Beat. I am 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:50.960 your host, Brian Baumgartner. Today I am talking to one 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:55.200 of the worst, most despicable people in the entire world, 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:59.240 or at least that's who he plays on TV. I 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:06.720 have Kecoin, who is dollar Bill Stern from the show Billions. 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.040 Unfortunately for us all I know you're going to be 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:11.880 disappointed to learn this. In real life, he's a very 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.839 nice man. He is not calculated and cheap and cutthroat 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:21.120 as is his character. He is, in fact, unfortunately lovely. 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:26.559 A lot of his non Billions characters are decent people too. 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.399 He was the charitable pastor Tim in The Americans, the 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:35.520 diligent detective Scott Gordon in The Girl from Plainville Scott 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.319 Galloway and We Crashed and coming up next month, LA 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:44.840 Clippers president Andy Roser in the new series clipped on 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:49.600 Hulu see nice guys don't always finish Last. Kelly is 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:53.600 doing just fine. We're going to get into his childhood. 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.400 Kelly was the son of a congressman. We're going to 0:01:56.440 --> 0:02:00.000 figure out if we ever crossed paths on the region, 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:04.520 theater circuit, and much much more. Here he is. Dare 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:08.320 I say my new friend, Kelly o'coin. 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:16.639 Bubble and squeak, I love it, Bubble and squeak on, 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:20.200 Bubble and squeak, I. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:24.519 Cook get every mole lift over from the ninety before. 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:38.320 What's up, Kelly? Hey, how are you? I'm good? How 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:38.680 are you? 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.280 I'm good? Thank you for having me on. This is 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:41.800 so fun. 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.960 Thank you for joining me. I want to start this 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.360 off by just saying, you know, I have a I 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:52.799 have an extensive crack research team here that that does 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:56.760 a lot of the heavy lifting for me. However, I 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:58.760 like to look around on my own as well, and 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:03.280 I found your usite and the thing that I assume 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:07.640 you wrote yourself, which I found just delightful. 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:09.639 Which part the about me. 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:13.320 Did you not write? Yes, the about me you wrote it? 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:18.400 I could, I did? You can't think that? Now? 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.639 That was one of those things when you know you're 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:26.399 between gigs and or as others like to say, unemployed, 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.440 and to fill the void, you start writing stuff and 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:33.840 it feels like creativity. It may or may not be. 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:38.440 But as your eighties it is. I think I thought 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:42.360 it was. I thought it was great, and weirdly, I 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:46.840 feel like I learned more about you by reading it, 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.640 which I guess is really the point. And what I 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.640 what I mean by that is which is it's interesting 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.680 because it's kind of what I'm trying to do here anyway. 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:58.800 But you've sort of done it yourself, which is you 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:02.800 can say these things about yourself for your wife or 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.520 the work that you've done, or theater or in your 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:11.640 case hair, and you, you know, you learn those factual things. 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:15.600 But in terms of reading your tone, I feel like 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.760 I picked up on your sense of humor and your 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.839 sort of perspective and maybe just a few hints about 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.839 your beliefs about the world. Anyway, I thought it was 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:29.839 very well done. Oh thanks, well, yeah, and really like 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:33.240 how it should be as opposed to like trying to 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:38.320 turn yourself into this I don't know, weird third person, 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.599 which I feel like I do too much. It's like 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:47.200 you know he you know, did blah blah blah blah blah, 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.960 and you're like, I'm speaking about myself and the third person, 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.880 which is very odd. Anyway, it was very personal, so 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:54.760 I wanted you to know that I appreciated it. 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.760 There is always this tension when you're in a play, 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.160 in particular where you have to write a bio and yes, 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.320 either either you it's it's kind of sucks both ways. 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.880 Either you get like, okay, in forty words, explain your 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.320 career in life, or they give you too much time, 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:14.600 so but then you start doing what you said. It's 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:18.760 like Kelly o'coin was very active in the theater arts 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.080 from a young age, and I was like, I just 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:25.280 I'm Kelly. Why am I am? I? 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:29.039 I know, but it's it's interesting. I had never actually 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.840 had this conversation with anyone before because I guess because 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:36.159 you did yours so well. The bio is a very 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:40.719 odd thing to either write or have written for you. 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:44.880 I'll actually tell I'll actually tell. I got this I've 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:48.159 not talked about and I apologize if anyone who was 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:52.520 involved is listening, but I recently did a fundraiser for 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.280 a local thing. Just said yes and I did a 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:59.680 fund fundraiser and I got asked the question will you 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:01.880 say to bio so we can introduce you, which, of 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.520 course I'm like, this is not there's no professional benefit 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.280 for this bot. There's nothing, there's nothing that this will 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:10.599 achieve for me. So of course, what did I do? Nothing? 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:12.720 And I didn't do it, and I didn't do it, 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.200 and then like a certain number of days went by 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:19.160 and I got an email it said, hey, so I 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.600 know we haven't gotten a bio from you yet. So 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:29.080 I went to chat GBT and chat Chet wrote this 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:35.000 bio of you, which you know, for me and yours 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:36.960 would be the opposite, by the way, yours would be 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.839 like he's an asshole and blah blah blah. Mine was 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:45.320 like he's the lovable, whimsical blah blah blah from you know, 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:50.800 he's known for playing golf and liking sports, you know, 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:57.680 like it's like and I was like immediately like no, no, no, no, no, 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.760 we could do better than that. Please. 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.400 So that was not read in front of the crowd. 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:07.240 No, I got sent it and then yeah, I have. 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.000 Had a couple of circumstances where because there are bios 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.680 that are written to be read yes, not out loud, 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.440 paper correct. And there's a way you phrase things that 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:21.280 you know. There's a way you phray things. Phrasings also 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.640 for bios that are written to be spoken. And I 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:28.280 have more than once been at a place where I'm 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.280 at an event where I'm introduced, not knowing they were 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:32.920 going to read a bio and never asked me for 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.800 a bio, but just read like the longest version of 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.680 the longest bio I've ever written that they somehow found. 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.400 And so they start and five minutes later they're finishing 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.600 with this stuff like and he brilliantly portrayed, and blah blah. 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:49.880 I I don't even know who wrote that thing. And 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:51.800 then I have to get up and be brilliant. 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.040 I know that is so true, because I do the 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:59.360 college thing, and I'm because I can hear it. Of course, 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:03.360 I'm like ding back, and my leg starts twitching and like, 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.520 come on, no, no, no, just move skip to the end, 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:07.640 skip stop, stop, skip. 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.280 To the end, fast forward, fast forward. 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:13.920 He then wrote a cookbook. Oh no, stop, please, I 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:20.800 don't need no, we're not studied. 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:23.320 Another language and maybe traveled more. 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:27.280 Oh boy, well there you go. There's a first for you. 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:30.840 Ladies and gents, the bio talk. It's not as easy 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:34.160 as it looks. And that's the final thing I'll say 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.280 is that is the other thing which should be mentioned, 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:41.480 because exactly what you said, a bio must be structured 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:45.520 for the event. If it's a lifetime achievement award, go 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:50.080 on for ten twelve minutes, sure, why not? But the 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:54.880 the like just the random email or text, Hey can 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.920 you send me a bio? It's like, no, all bios 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:01.840 are not meant exactly what he said. So that's work, 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:03.880 and you have to think about how is this going 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.040 to feel if this is said out loud? 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:09.160 What's the event? How many people? What's the venue? 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:15.560 Yeah? Exactly, exactly? All right, Well, speaking of bios, I 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:19.120 don't know. I couldn't come up with a transition at all. 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:25.319 Let's talk about you. Oh, you grew up in Oregon 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.960 and your dad. I think this is another first for 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.640 the podcast. And by the way, we haven't talked to 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.480 just four people. We got two firsts right off the bat. 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:40.679 Your dad was a politician, first the Oregon House of 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:46.080 Representatives and then a US congressman in Oregon's first district. 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:51.400 So how for you? First of all, one fascinating. How 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:53.520 old were you when this was going on. I mean 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.640 he was in politics your entire life or did he, 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:57.760 you know, transition into that. 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.760 I was three maybe not getting the months right. I 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.440 was three when he was first elected to the state legislature. 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:09.400 And he was there for two terms, so four years. 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.720 He was the I can brag on my dad all 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.480 day long. So just like pulled up a finger or 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.000 like slashed the throat if you want to stop. But 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:21.400 his second term, he was the House majority leader, the 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.240 youngest House majority leader ever. And then he ran for 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.520 US Congress and was the first Democrat ever elected to 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:29.880 the first district, which is like half of Portland to 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:34.319 the coast and the Washington border down to like Corvallis, 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:38.320 which is where the status and everyone on the podcast 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:40.480 is like, well, thank god he got the geography in there. 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.520 And he was in the US House. We moved to 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.480 d C. He was in the US House for eighteen years, 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:51.559 nine terms. Yeah. 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:54.839 Wow, So you were at that So at that point, 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:56.920 you weren't going back and forth. You were you were 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:58.960 like you went to school in DC, you were you 0:10:59.000 --> 0:10:59.920 were a DC guy. 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:02.840 It was a little back and forth. We did the 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:06.199 rest of grade school, second second half of second grade 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.400 through fifth grade in d C, and sixth and seventh grade, 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:14.079 junior high back in Oregon in the central Oregon area, 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:18.320 and then high school back in d C, and then 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.440 college in Ohio. I went to Oberlin, so I said, 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:22.120 split the difference Midwest. 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:29.040 Wow, So how was that for you one as a kid? 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.839 I mean, you're you're quite young when he ends up 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:35.960 getting elected and going to d C. So you know, 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:40.400 obviously you have friends, but you're leaving. Like for you culturally, 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.320 is there a big change for you in terms of 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.400 the environment moving from Oregon to d C. 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.640 Yeah, definitely. This was a small town Forest Grove, Oregon, 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:52.920 and it was as small as that sounds. Okay, great 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.559 little town, but small. And then to d C in 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.079 the mid seventies, and you know, East coast cities were 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.080 going through a lot of difficulties in this evanies and 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.240 d C was no different. But it was Yeah, it 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.120 was bigger and it was louder. I think for me, 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.520 I'm I'm an extrovert and it was kind of exciting 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:15.680 to meet new people. My sister and I actually entered 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:19.320 at the beginning of natural transitions. 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.840 Like sixth grade or yeah. 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.200 Like sixth grade and junior high, so a bunch of 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.240 new kids were coming to a new place and same 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.640 thing with high school. My sister had it slightly different, 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.520 so it was a little bit harder for her, I think, 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:34.440 but you know, I I loved it. I had a 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.960 fun time in d C. We lived near Rock Creek Park, 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.600 and if anyone knows d C, it's like this huge, 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:45.240 sprawling wilderness area. So we got a little bit of 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.560 Oregon there kind of. And in retrospect, I think it's 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.520 great because I feel I feel comfortable in small towns. 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.160 I feel comfortable in the mountains where my family's actually from, 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.800 and I feel comfortable in big cities. They all have 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:02.760 different joys, discover, so I thank my parents for that. 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:11.120 Actually, do you feel like you are especially patriotic or 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:18.240 like have a special affinity for your hometown or for 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.920 the state of Oregon given that your dad went through this, 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:24.280 or do you feel and that you went through this, 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:28.160 or do you feel like from the inside there and this, 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.320 that's a long time that he was in office and 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.000 so you saw a lot of things. Do you feel 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:38.440 more skeptical of government having seen it from that side? 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.160 I'll work my way up to that answer. The first one, 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:45.000 I do have a special I always have a soft 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:48.960 spot for Oregon. The one sports team I am fanatical 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:50.720 about is the Portland Trail Blazers. 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:52.520 Yes, I've heard, Yes. 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.199 You know, they won their they won their only championship 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.040 a year after we moved to d C. Okay, you know, 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:01.679 so that was special. It's like a little bit of 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:05.400 Oregon saying it's gonna be okay, kid. And then I 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:06.920 don't remember if I wrote this in the bio. I 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.240 hope not, because I'll be repeating myself. But then the 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.360 next year, the Washington Bullets won the championship, and so 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.880 my two to my og team and my adopted second 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.559 favorite team win championships back to back. And as a 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.200 ten year old, I'm like, oh, this is this is 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:22.840 fucking great. So this is how it works. You you 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.880 you like teams and they win championships, this is going 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.400 to be great. And neither of them have won. 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.720 Sense I knew. I knew where the punchline was going. 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:35.920 Yeah you know those teams? Yeah yeah, So. 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:40.400 I love I love DC, I love Oregon, I love Portland. 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.640 I you know, I hurt for it because it's going 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:45.440 through some transitions just to like a lot of West 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:50.000 Coast cities right now. In terms of government, I so 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:54.920 it's not an either or. I am deeply patriotic and 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.320 I am deeply pissed off of my country a lot. 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.880 And I think where people get into trouble is assuming 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:09.120 that patriotism means blind blind acceptance. I feel I am 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.720 so deeply patriotic that I can criticize the hell out 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.520 of my country when I think it's doing wrong it 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:14.160 can do better. 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:19.680 You believe that your dad did it for all the 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:23.760 right reasons because you wanted to help him, to serve I. 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:24.360 Do to hear. 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:34.040 Yeah, there were there were. Honestly, the phrase fight the 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.560 good fight was constantly used, and people use that as 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.560 a joke or ironically, it was constantly used in my 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:45.640 family by my mom and by my dad, because that's 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:47.320 how they were raised and that's how they wanted to 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:51.480 raise us. You can the only way you can make changes, 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.840 to be involved. The only way you can ensure that 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.080 change will not happen is to drop out. 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:02.640 So that's actually that's true, not just in government, but 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:10.600 in life and work, just totally. Your first role, I 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:14.800 have been told, was a campaign commercial for your dad. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.960 Did you have an affinity for or an interest in 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:23.200 acting prior to that that you did? Okay? 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.360 I did? Yeah, I think I knew I wanted to 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:29.000 be an actor since like second grade. Okay, certainly like 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:34.120 fifth grade. But but that was my first screen job, 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:36.480 that thirty second commercial. 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:40.400 Yes, do you feel like And I don't mean this 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.320 in a truly in a negative way at all. Most 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.120 of the time when people say that, they actually do, 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.040 but I actually I really don't. But there is an 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:52.200 element of performance, whether you're whether you're fighting for what 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:55.760 you believe in or not, there is an element of performance. 0:16:55.800 --> 0:17:01.000 There is public speaking, there is behaving differently around different people, 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.600 whether they're electorate or you know, people you work with, 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:09.280 other representatives, whatever. Did you watch that play out at all? 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.359 And I, and I ask more because you know, for 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.399 me as someone who I know you were interested in 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.200 acting and the arts. Is this something that you watched? 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.840 Did you watch this play out? Were you conscious of 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:22.639 it or do you think you just absorbed it? 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.200 I was definitely conscious of it. That's a great question. 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:31.720 I my dad has always said that he wasn't. His 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:37.439 natural habitat was not in front of a crowd, so 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.960 he definitely there was you know, the mind was you know, 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:42.800 I as soon as I got in front of a crowd, 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:47.359 I was like, hey, this is awesome. But so yeah, 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.960 I saw him and everybody does it. Even if you 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:53.560 are comfortable, there's a different way you have to present ideas, 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:57.440 your parent ideas when you are having a conversation versus 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:01.040 you are speaking to a crowd of five, ten, fifteen, 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.520 one thousand, whatever it is, And that's just common sense, 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:09.719 and that means you perform differently. Yeah, I think I 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:11.560 like the way you phrased it at the beginning, by 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:13.239 the way you asked the question you said. I'm not 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.120 necessarily saying this is a bad thing, because I do 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:22.359 think when people are speaking of politicians performing or speechifying, 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.480 and it's like, well, yeah, because it's a speech, you know, 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:29.040 it's yeah, we're not just sitting here having a beer together. 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:30.160 There's there is. 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.320 This is not how you would behave if you were 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.920 sitting with your brother in a local pub. 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.639 Yes, if you and I were having a beer and 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.040 all of a sudden I pulled out a lectern, you'd 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:41.120 think I was a little odd. 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:44.879 Can we get that tell? Can we get that teleprompter? 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:45.959 On please thank you. 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:51.080 That's right, And so yeah, I would see him and 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:55.960 other other politicians get up and go into a different state. 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.879 That was an ironically, that is a way to a 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:04.720 to achieve a certain a more honest truth. Given the 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:08.520 medium or given the position you're in speaking to a press, 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.639 you're not going to impart the information if you just 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.399 sort of casually, you know, if you haven't written anything, 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:17.399 you speak top of your head. I mean some people, 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.160 some current politicians, like to do that. I would argue 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:25.719 they're not getting any points across. They're just there's just 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:28.560 some personality thing happening. But let's not go there. 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:30.159 Yeah. 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.040 So yes, there is a performative thing. And that was 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:36.200 one that I always say. My mom used to sing, 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:40.639 not hugely professionally, but she'd sing. I'd see her in 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:43.080 front of groups every once in a while singing. And 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:47.399 my dad was in front of crowds, parting ideas, working 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:49.280 with scripts, which is what speeches are. 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:54.000 Right, this is occurring to me right now. You said 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:57.280 your dad wasn't necessarily gifted or the most comfortable in 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.159 front of people. Who was the best that you you 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:01.280 remember seeing? 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.480 Well, he was very good. My dad was very good. 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:07.560 Just it was something where it was I think it 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.520 took you know, emotionally, when you get out in front 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:12.719 of a crowd, you probably are like me, I'm guessing 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:14.320 where it's like, this is gonna be awesome, and you 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:17.560 get energy from the idea of it. So but he 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.280 was very good, which was which is another thing I admired, 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:24.280 working creating a strength out of something that wasn't necessarily 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.280 an inherent strength, okay, or didn't feel like to him. 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:33.919 The best I ever saw Bill Clinton was incredible, and 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:37.879 Jesse Jackson I got to see live, and actually everything 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:41.240 I said about having to prepare and not speaking semporaneously, 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:43.159 I threw out the window because I don't think he 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.040 had a single note, and he spoke for half an 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:50.800 hour and everything made one hundred percent CeNSE. And the 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:54.080 little little kernel's little seeds he planted in minute two 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:58.240 reached fruition in minute twenty seven and a half. You know, 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:02.040 it's just like he was. He's probably the best I've 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:02.480 ever seen. 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:24.399 You went to Oberlin, as you mentioned before, this was 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:25.240 to become an actor. 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:27.880 First of all, shout out to Oberlin. I just got 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:31.280 back yesterday. My niece just graduated from Oberlin. 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:35.480 So that was shout out Oberlin, congratulations. I always think 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:37.000 of I don't know what it is if it's the 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:39.840 name Oberlin, and I know it's very big in music. 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:44.120 I always think of the Obo. I don't know why 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:47.280 someone say, oh, I'm I I went to Oberlin, and 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:49.720 the first thought in my head was, oh, you're you 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:52.520 play the Obo. I don't know why that you're an 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:54.280 oboe with I didn't know if that was a word. 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:58.160 Shout out Oberlin. Did you go there for theater? 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:05.240 So I didn't approach college in a particularly strategic way, 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:10.159 I think, except that I decided that I wasn't going 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:13.320 to go to a conservatory. Northwestern was very interesting to me. 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:16.359 A couple other places were interesting to me. But I 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:21.080 decided that going to undergrad I wanted. I wanted a 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:21.840 liberal arts. 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:25.399 This is me what you're speaking of, this is this 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:27.440 is exactly my speech, exactly. 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:29.880 I tried to model myself after you, Jenn. 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:35.280 I figured you're a little older, simmer down kellywn Yes, 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.080 you did somehow somewhere in your brain. 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:41.400 Yes, so I, uh, you know, I'm going to wikipedia 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:48.560 you later. So uh so Oberlin had I did not 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:49.840 go to the con I was not going to be 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:52.240 a musician. But the College of Arts and Sciences was 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:55.080 really was a great school as well, and I was 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:59.399 interested in history. I was interested in particularly at the time, 0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:06.560 in doing theater and Shakespeare and Moliere and historical plays, 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:09.159 so the history kind of fed in with that. I 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:12.600 was doing a Moliere play called The miser As I 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:14.480 was studying about the French Revolution, which would have been 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:16.680 one hundred years later, and I thought that was kind 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:20.720 of cool, So I actually went in spite of the 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:22.320 fact that I wanted to be an actor, if that 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:26.639 makes sense. The great thing about that school at the 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:30.920 time and probably still now, it's two things. We had 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:34.840 a number of great professors and some great adjunct professors 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:36.520 over the course of the time I was there in 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:39.439 a great summer theater institute. But I didn't have to 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:43.040 be a major to do any play. I could get 0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:45.639 into or take any class, so I didn't have to 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:47.760 take all the classes, but I could take all the 0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:50.359 scene study, and if I wanted to do some tech 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:53.000 costume design or lighting sign I could do that that 0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:55.560 I didn't have to and I could get my degree 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:57.879 in history. And then if I was going to go 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:01.080