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Speaker 1: Hello, wo and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Every Wednesday we recap our old shows with

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Speaker 2: all new commentary, updates and insights. You are welcome. Today

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Speaker 2: we're recapping episodes sixty three.

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Speaker 1: We're getting so close to one hundred, which we named

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Speaker 1: Steven's Textedo.

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Speaker 2: This episode came out April sixth, twenty seventeen, just one

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Speaker 2: hundred years ago.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to the intro of episode sixty three, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: I don't like Stephen is looking at his knobs very concern,

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Speaker 2: intently and concern, almost like a DJ. He did look

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Speaker 2: like Steve Oki kind of you looks like a Las

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Speaker 2: Vegas DJ, being like, what about the trouble? That's what

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Speaker 2: about the bass? Have you done any DJing? Stephen in Las.

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Speaker 3: Vegas can't say have But it's the dream, you know?

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Speaker 2: Is that? Is that where you're aiming?

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Speaker 3: Is that the goal to be on one of those

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Speaker 3: billboards for.

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Speaker 2: Yes, DJ Steve? What would what would you? What's the

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Speaker 2: better DJ name for Steven?

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Speaker 1: DJ Mustache, DJ Stash, oh sh DJ Stash coming this fall? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What if it's Elvis and Stephen Elvis is.

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Speaker 2: Don't to shove Elvis into this. This is Stephen's project

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Speaker 2: for Las Vegas. Sorry, Steve. Elvis gets up and the

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Speaker 2: moves like scratches the record himself.

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Speaker 1: Oh Elvis, anything to say about that?

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Speaker 3: He came up to the mic and then on.

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Speaker 1: The night he's about to fucking Elvis is the MC

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Speaker 1: with a lot of intent. Stephen is the DJ Elvis MCI.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Elvis and Stephen, we have a corrections corner

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Speaker 1: because last week, glaringly missing from the episode was both

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Speaker 1: Stephen and Elvis. Because Steven thinks he can take a

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Speaker 1: fucking vacation. I didn't fucking walk away from this thing

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Speaker 1: that we were going to give you a shit about it. Steven,

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Speaker 1: the unpaid intern that does the most work of anyone

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Speaker 1: on this podcast.

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Speaker 2: He thinks he can go visit his mother, he can

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Speaker 2: visit family, that he can stay behind in Portland. Nope,

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Speaker 2: do whatever he wants in Portland.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry.

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Speaker 2: He begged us to come back and we were like,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk, we'll talk it through. Yeah, so this is

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Speaker 2: his trial episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Elvis like revolted because he was like, well so,

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Speaker 1: well that means we recorded at the Feral Audio Studios.

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Speaker 1: And like when I got there, I was like, wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, Elvis isn't here. So he did. He wasn't

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Speaker 1: on either, But don't worry. He's fine.

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Speaker 2: A lot of concern, a lot of social media concerned

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Speaker 2: for Elvis. He's very healthy. He's here in front of us,

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Speaker 2: flicking his tail around as we speak. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And they were like, are Georgia and Karen okay because

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Speaker 1: they're not yelling at Steve in this episode. Yeah, They're like,

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Speaker 1: this is all very uncomfortable, but everyone's fine.

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Speaker 3: Somebody was like, does your mom yell at you?

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Speaker 2: Like, Karen, do you miss it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Of course, did you miss getting reprimanded for shit that

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Speaker 1: you had nothing to do it for?

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Speaker 4: Shit?

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Speaker 2: That is clearly our fault.

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Speaker 5: I did do the I did do my favorite word

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Speaker 5: of related activity I sent you guys. I went to

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Speaker 5: Klein Falls, which is the subject of one of the

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Speaker 5: live yes, which was like it was eerie because I

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Speaker 3: But my mom is like, oh, it's just up the

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Speaker 5: Like, okay, I guess I'll take pictures because people might

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Speaker 5: want to see this, But.

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Speaker 1: It changes the view when you know that someone got

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Speaker 1: welcome back, Stephen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was glad to We're glad you're back. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: We're glad you're back. I do have a thing that

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Speaker 2: about it, and just for corrections, just no hard feelings.

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Speaker 2: We've always had a great time, we will continue to

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Speaker 1: We can't if we say something to them then that

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Speaker 1: they'll keep doing it.

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Speaker 2: But we don't say anything.

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Speaker 1: We don't say anything.

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Speaker 2: What we do is this, we let people know that

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Speaker 2: It's never been true. And for me being a stand

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Speaker 2: it certainly ruins the time of the people around you.

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Speaker 2: Like there was a couple of people during one of

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Speaker 2: Well, and we really have work. It's not like anyone

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Speaker 2: they waited just as long, and they're just as big

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Speaker 2: So honestly, the fact that there are people having those

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Speaker 1: Can I do new podcasts that I like Corner?

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Speaker 2: Please? But I'm worried.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I found this. I found this podcast because

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Speaker 1: I was We're going to Milwaukee and I was doing

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Speaker 1: found this podcast called Unsolved, and it's about this kidnapping

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Speaker 1: There's all these suspects and of course it's just like

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Speaker 1: Isn't it him? Is it not him? But it's a

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Speaker 1: good podcast, and it's every episode is really short, and

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Speaker 1: stoked that there's so many of those lately, so many,

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Speaker 1: And then you were telling me about one that I

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Speaker 2: Hollywood and Crime. Yeah, what's that one? Okay, So Hollywood

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Speaker 2: and Crime is about And I did a thing finally,

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Speaker 2: I thought, I pre thought it out and downloaded all

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Speaker 2: don't do that. It makes me crazy. You get on

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Speaker 2: Now you haven't downloaded it. You can't. That being said,

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Speaker 2: episodes of Hollywood and Crime. So proud, filled with pride,

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Speaker 2: and what it is is during the Black Dahlia murder,

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Speaker 2: which happened in nineteen forty four, four, six, nine something

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Speaker 2: seven in the forties. It definitely happened in the forties.

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Speaker 2: Steven will jump on it. But the interesting thing is

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Speaker 2: there were other female murder mutilations around Los Angeles at

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Speaker 2: it strings together all of these different cases and it's

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Speaker 1: I only listened to like ten minutes of the first

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Speaker 2: Yes, there was definitely at least I'm I think. I

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Speaker 2: We sent a couple really good presents.

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Speaker 2: Every Day's Christmas, my favorite murder. Yay.

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Speaker 2: No, it's just gone now. It's almost like we're just

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Speaker 2: Uh you were me?

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Speaker 3: Uh? Oh my gosh, what did Georgia? Yes, because he

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Speaker 2: did the Moore's Murders? Right? Crazy? And then someone sent

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: But when this comes out, we'll be on tour. So

439
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how time works, but.

440
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 2: I mean it's a loop. You've said it many a

441
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 2: time's flat circle. And I do think it's kind of

442
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 2: funny that we're like talking on the episode we're rewinding

443
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 2: right now about the experience that we had in Portland

444
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 2: on a live show. Now we're going to talk about

445
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 2: talking about it. How many circles can we linearly go around?

446
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:48,360
Speaker 2: And I mean one time, it seems like plenty. Yeah,

447
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 2: but this was a major moment in live show history. Yeah.

448
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 1: I wonder what number show this was for us, like total,

449
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: But Portland was incredible, The audience was great. We like

450
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: insisted on going back there of course for this next

451
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: tour because of that. You know, there's so many cool

452
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: girls with tattoos there. How could we not have a

453
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: great time.

454
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 2: It's hard not to feel like well, I think we

455
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: do this in every city we visit where we're like,

456
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 2: these are the real Murderinos, but Portland, of course, and

457
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 2: especially in these early live shows. And I do think

458
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 2: we found out at some point that there was a

459
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 2: drink special that got people especially fucked up. Remember I

460
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 2: think it was like Tall Boys or something. There was

461
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: some sort of like in the theater at the bar

462
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: thing that people were taking advantage of, and so it

463
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 2: was a little rowdier than I think we are, right,

464
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 2: And then we had to set some ground rules after this.

465
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 1: So I don't remember what those are, but we're going

466
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: to probably try to bring them back this tour.

467
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's pretty basic. It's like if you've

468
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 2: ever taken one theater acting class, it's like you're not

469
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 2: allowed to get on the stage when other people are

470
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: doing a show. That's never been allowed in the history

471
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 2: of entertainment. Just crawling up on stage with your sister.

472
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: Oh, actually, when this comes out, like two weeks later

473
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: is when we'll be in Portland or three weeks later.

474
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: So oh, it's sold out.

475
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: Never mind, Go to my favorite murder dot com, slash

476
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 1: Live and see if there's any tickets left anywhere. I

477
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: think like there's always like a little tiny batch of

478
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 1: tickets that comes out at the very end, like right

479
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: before the show, because they've been holding tickets for VIPs

480
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: or whatever, and so sometimes tickets just happen to become

481
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: available at all the shows.

482
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 2: Also, if you go under a bridge night of show,

483
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: there's often a guy in a trench coat that can

484
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: help you out that we place there. It's it's Stephen Shaved.

485
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: Must love that guy.

486
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: I'm still lot fense about whether I should be eating

487
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: homemade gifts from fans that bring them to shows, which

488
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: I've done in the past, been warned multiple times not to,

489
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, I love Rice Krispy treats so much.

490
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: And also it's like, these are the girls that are

491
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 2: afraid of the people that do that. They're not the

492
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: girls that do it right. But that's a dumb thing

493
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 2: to think about a massive people. That's just that's naive.

494
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 2: It's us telling ourselves a lie. When I was looking

495
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 2: at this and remembered in these next couple rewinds that

496
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: we're doing that we had a company like Voodoo Donuts

497
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 2: making us donuts of ourselves and delivering them to the theater,

498
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 2: I was like, why didn't I remember that. That's what

499
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: a gift. Yeah, like, what a lovely sentiment.

500
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: What's great about this tour is now we're more social

501
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: media savvy. We have a social media person, so we

502
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: can actually post all this stuff on social media.

503
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 2: So make sure you follow us. Yeah, give a little credit.

504
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 2: I mean, we were doing kind of independently here and there.

505
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: But the thing about us is you can't accuse us

506
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 2: of being overly organized or planning ahead having followed through.

507
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, just really kind of being in

508
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 2: the place where we're supposed to be an ACTI like,

509
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: that's what we're doing. It's like, there's a lot, there's

510
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: a lot to this experience. But I feel like a

511
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: big part of this whole journey has been the Portland

512
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: Live audience, the people that have showed up for us

513
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: from day one, real life Portland. We're here to get

514
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: sucked up with you, We're here to interact with you.

515
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: We want the full, the full experience.

516
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 1: Two of my very last friends in the world are

517
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: going to be in the audience because those fucking bitches

518
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: insistent on living to Portland. Against me, that's what it

519
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: feels like, against me. So I'm excited for that.

520
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very exciting mine too. Jason Lopez will be

521
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: there from the gap. Yes, hell yeah.

522
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: We should have them all like sitting on stage as

523
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: like the audience on stage audience.

524
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: I wonder if there is like a special a special balcony.

525
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 2: I remember this theater when we're talking about this Portland show.

526
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: It was that theater that was in a building that

527
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 2: used to be a school, yeah, high school or something.

528
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: It was so fucking cool.

529
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: It just it felt like we were on like a

530
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: teen drama from the nineties. It was amazing.

531
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: Oh someone gave us nipple tassels, oh yeah, from the

532
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: Strip Club. I have a photo of it. Oh yeah.

533
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: I have some photos that I found from old live

534
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: shows from back then, including the titty tassels. Oh that

535
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: I will give to Shannon to post on social media.

536
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: Nice get in.

537
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: So you remember the person who made us who painted

538
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: our pets. Mine were on wineglasses and yours were on

539
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: Christmas ornaments. Oh yes, I still I do too, Like

540
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: there's displayed in my house.

541
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: Are fucking gorgeous. I have a photo of all of those.

542
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: I mean, the people give and I think there is

543
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: a serious like arts. I mean not to it's like

544
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 2: the true arts of arts and crafts group of people

545
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: in Portland. I think there's the people there like, watch

546
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: me craft this. This is what I'm really building them up.

547
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 2: They better fucking bring it. We want more and this

548
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: is our passive aggressive way of demanding it from the Portland.

549
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: Well, okay, should we get into it? Because of the

550
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: live shows and just because we are so disorganized. This

551
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: is the third time in a row that I go first, Yes.

552
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 2: I love it. What are you gonna do? Well, then

553
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: let's get into Georgia's story right now. She tells the

554
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: story of the murderer Joseph Edward Duncan, the Third.

555
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: Ready for a serial killer? I am real horrible guy.

556
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: Uh oh, here we go.

557
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: Joseph Edward Duncan, the Third, the Third.

558
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: The way I looked to you when I said that

559
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 1: was born in February twenty on February twenty fifth, nineteen

560
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: sixty three, in Tacoma, Washington, and I said that he

561
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: looks like the actor Ben Mendelssohn, who was the older

562
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: brother from Bloodline. Remember that guy's got kind of a lisp,

563
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: and he's like abroad, he's like an actor and he's

564
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: kind of well hot bloodline.

565
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: Was he the bad one? Yeah, he's the one everyone's

566
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: worried about. Yes, that guy's amazing.

567
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like him, so like creepy skinny. Just

568
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: to have an idea, okay, like gangly.

569
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: I like this describing what they look like.

570
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: So in nineteen seventy six, he's fifteen years old and

571
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: he commits his first recorded sex crime. He at fifteen,

572
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: he rapes a nine year old boy at gun point.

573
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: Oh fuck yeah, I said I was going to raves

574
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: at fifteen and he was raping children at gun points.

575
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 6: Fuck.

576
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. What happened to him?

577
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I can't find a lot of

578
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: information on it, Okay, so clearly not something horrible.

579
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, hit his fucking head, I mean, and then he

580
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: went to a boys. I mean, it's like they go

581
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: to juvie then they get raped.

582
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: It's hugh seems terrible, and their mom like, oh, I

583
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: don't want to get as gross as I feel like it.

584
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: I mean, we really could say the worst things in

585
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: the world and be right.

586
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: Okay, the following I want to say it, but it's

587
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: so horrifying that like I.

588
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: Say it and then Stephen will bleep it Okay.

589
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: I read somewhere and maybe it was Ted Bundy's mom

590
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: or some like some killer's mom that like when he

591
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: she would take him to go to the bathroom, she

592
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: would pinch his penis as a kid. I think that's

593
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: is that edgan So he wouldn't go, I don't know

594
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: to like if he didn't do it, she would get

595
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: mad at him and pinch and it's like, how do

596
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: you not have a sexual fucking statust on your hands? Yes,

597
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: on your gross hands, on.

598
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: Your filthy, disgusting hands.

599
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: No, that's horror fi penis pinching hands.

600
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that's ed Gane's mother. She was out

601
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: of her fe fucking that's right. Didn't he killed her? Right? Uh? No,

602
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: she died of natural causes. He kept her in the

603
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: house and played with her body and then like wore

604
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: her face in the moonlight. Pretty sure.

605
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: Nipple belt Yeah so unbleep now, okay, yeah, nipple belt.

606
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: Is that him? Yeah? That's our guy.

607
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: Should we give a shout out to the girl who

608
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: is a fack man? We're gonna need to post this,

609
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: but like we got this like gift once and it

610
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: was a box and there were these like this, like

611
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: crocheted belt in it, and we were like, okay, all right,

612
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: we're yarring crochet belt?

613
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: Was that in Oakland? I think it was the Oakland Show? No, no,

614
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: it was sent here?

615
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: Oh sent oh yeah, Because then you guys left and

616
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: I went to take a photo of it, and as

617
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking through the lens, I realized that it's a

618
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: crocheaded nipple belt and it's like every different color nipples,

619
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: like different races of nipples, and it's and I just

620
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: lost my mind in like joy of like how creative,

621
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: Like that's a description of murderinos is like our listeners,

622
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: is someone for a shade a fucking multicultural nipple.

623
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: Belt, a nibble belt giving ed gain that shout out.

624
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: Also the fact that you had to have that realization alone,

625
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: it's actually almost perfect. Yeah, it's that like growing wise horror.

626
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,239
Speaker 2: Were we pulled that hang out, We're like is it

627
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: a is it a cat toy? Like we're just like

628
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: whipping it around.

629
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: We had no idea, and then I it just made

630
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: me so happy when I realized how awful it wasn't

631
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: the hat cutest way, Yeah.

632
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: Because you couldn't tell you had to. It was like

633
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: a magic eye poster. You really had to stare at

634
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: it for a while to understand the hideous dolphins.

635
00:31:54,560 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: I gotta post it, okay anyway. The following year, Joseph

636
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: Duncan is arrested for driving a stolen car, and that's

637
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: when he's sentenced as a juvenile and sent to Disland's

638
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: Boys Ranch in Tacoma, which you'd know is probably a

639
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: hellhole nightmare. He tells his therapist when he's there that

640
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: he had bound and sexually assaulted six boys, and he

641
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: also tells a therapist that he had raped around thirteen

642
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: younger boys by the time he was sixteen.

643
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: What the fuck?

644
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's a cereal rapist. Yeah, can you imagine

645
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: losing count? He said, around thirteen boys? What does that

646
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: therapist fucking go home that night and drink. They're just saying,

647
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: now i become a sea captain. Yea bullshit. I'm gonna

648
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: be a librarian.

649
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: Now to the lighthouse, he said, goodbye. I'm gonna get

650
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: a cat, you know, you know, maybe just a ton

651
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: of cats, like thirty cats. Yeah, just pet him. Just

652
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: surround myself with cat.

653
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

654
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 6: Uh.

655
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty, still in Tacoma, he steals guns from

656
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: a neighbor and abducts of fourteen year old boy again

657
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: rapes him at gunpoint, and for that he sentenced to

658
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: twenty years in prison, but he's released on parole in

659
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: ninety four after serving fourteen years. Then he's arrested in

660
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: ninety six for marijuana use, but he's released on parole

661
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: a few weeks later, but with new restrictions. And then

662
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: in ninety seven he's around thirty four, he's arrested in

663
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: Kansas and returned to prison after violating the terms of

664
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: his parole, but he's released from prison three years later

665
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: in July two thousand with time off for good, good old.

666
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: Good good behavior for the Cereal rapist.

667
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: So he's good in prison, clean your fucking tray at

668
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: the canteen at at mess Hall, and you can leave.

669
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: So that okay.

670
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: So in the summer of twenty fourteen, he's accused him

671
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: lasting a six year old boy at a park in

672
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: Detroit Lake, Minnesota, but he's not captured until March of

673
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, and he's held on fifteen thousand

674
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: dollars bond. So there's a he's a businessman from Fargo

675
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: who somehow Duncan had become acquainted with who helped him

676
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: post bail h fifteen thousand dollars.

677
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 2: I wonder what brand of pedophile he was was allegedly

678
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: allegedly businessman?

679
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean very allegedly.

680
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. And if he wasn't, he must fucking hate himself,

681
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: now true. What if he was just trying to be

682
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: like a good smart Yeah, here's a guy down on

683
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: his luck. Oh, he says he didn't.

684
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: He said he didn't molest a six year old boy

685
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: at a park, So maybe he didn't. And I'm going

686
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: to spend half of some people's salary. You're getting out anyways,

687
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: Duncan skips down.

688
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 2: Okay.

689
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: Two months later, in two thousand and five, Coot and

690
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: Eye County, Idaho authorities discover the bodies of Brenda Groan, forty,

691
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: her boyfriend, and her thirteen year old son. They're in

692
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: their family home near cor De Lane, and they'd been

693
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: bound and died of blunt force trauma to the head. Wow,

694
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: and sorry. Brenda's two other children, Shasta who's eight and Dylan,

695
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: who's nine.

696
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: I hate this one so much. I know it's so horrible.

697
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: Okay, I know I almost didn't do it because it's

698
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: so bad you have to do it on love.

699
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: Of the shit out.

700
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: But I didn't know that this guy had so much

701
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: background to him.

702
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: I didn't, but it makes perfect sense of course he does.

703
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: But oh my god, oh my god.

704
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just one of those stories that you can't

705
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: fucking believe is real.

706
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: Yes, I can still see the TV when I was

707
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: watching the news and them showing the foot, the CCTV foot. Okay, yes,

708
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: I totally not.

709
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna say, but you're gonna give away the end,

710
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: tell your story and we'll talk about it.

711
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: But I saw it too, and it's it just burned

712
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: in my mind. Yeah. Okay.

713
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: So Shasta is eight, Dylan is nine. They're missing. They're

714
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: missing from the house and the three others, the three

715
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: older people are dead, and so they issue an amber

716
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: alert and they comb the area and they can't find

717
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: the kids until six weeks later, in July two thousand

718
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: and five, Shasta is recognized from her amber alert by

719
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: a waitress, a manager, and two customers at a Denny's.

720
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: But then they're back in cord Delayane Quardelaine. As I

721
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: say it, Cordlaine. The workers freak the fuck out, immediately

722
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: phone the police, and they position themselves to prevent Duncan

723
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: from leaving. Police officers arrive at the restaurant. They arrest

724
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: Duncan without incident, and Shasta's taken to the hospital to

725
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: be reunited with her dad. And so the footage we're

726
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: talking about is them walking into the fucking Denny's and

727
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: she's got her arms crossed. She's like this little blonde girl.

728
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: He's this creepy looks like John Mendelssohn, Ben Mendelssohn, and

729
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: she's got her arms crossed, and it's clear something is wrong. Yes,

730
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: And you wonder if you had seen that, would you

731
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 1: have thought something was going on too?

732
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 2: They must have because that many I remember reading about

733
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: the waitress coming to the table and being like, I

734
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: don't like to feel here, are you okay? Yeah? What's

735
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: going on? And I think she waited? Did he go

736
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: to the bathroom? Maybe there was some moment she had

737
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 2: with Shasta, I believe before where she was like, this

738
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: isn't good and she called the police. Well, what's so

739
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: weird about it?

740
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 4: Is you?

741
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,479
Speaker 1: I have to wonder they went back to the town

742
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: they were from, so everyone in that town must have

743
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: known intimately what both well maybe they didn't know who

744
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: he was yet, but what she looked like. Yes, So

745
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 1: there was another sighting of them, you know, in another

746
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: state that they later realized happened. And the woman who

747
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: worked at the store, it was like a gas station

748
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: was like, I thought it might be her, but I

749
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: wasn't sure, so I didn't do anything about it. And

750
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: it's like, well, someone in your town would have done something.

751
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: And it also tells you like, if you have a

752
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: bad feeling about something, don't worry about hurting the dad's

753
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: fucking feelings. If this child looks in distress, at.

754
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: Least talk to one other person about it. Yeah, if

755
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: you don't send up every red flag you ever feel feelings.

756
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: But there's definitely if you're in tune enough, there's when

757
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: you know something's wrong, you know what's wrong and trust yourself.

758
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: I've always thought that, like, if I see a kid

759
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: who looks uncomfortable or in distress or not not feeling

760
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: like they're where they're supposed to be, it's okay for

761
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: me to go up to a kid and be.

762
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: Like, hey, what's your name, you know, like engage with

763
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: the kid.

764
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not a fucking dude, So it's not creepy,

765
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: but like, like, don't do that. If you're a guy,

766
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: tell a woman to do that. But you know, to

767
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: be like what's your name? And if you fucking send

768
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: something is wrong? Like you can just tell by a

769
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: body language with a kid. Yeah, something isn't right. I

770
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: mean there was there should be.

771
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish there was some kind of like set

772
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: process or keyword you know whatever this.

773
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, write down everyone's license plate, every creepy dude's

774
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 1: license plate, at all time.

775
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: Take the time you don't need to work, quit your job,

776
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 2: get a spiral notebook, sit in front of a gas

777
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 2: station and just write down license plates for a while.

778
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah done.

779
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: But I got I adore that Denny's waitress. Oh, I

780
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: just because you know that first of all, if they

781
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: were to she's probably working to night. She she's seen

782
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: some looney tunes totally.

783
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: You know, she doesn't call the cops every time she

784
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: sees a scraggly Now Mendelssohn type, No, we shouldn't involve

785
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: that actor at all. Poor guy.

786
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: He's like, wait, what the fuck fuck you guys, No,

787
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: we just got him fucking cast on the lifetime movie

788
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: of this motherfucking case. You're welcome Van Mendelssohn creating work.

789
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: You're welcome. Bah blah blah blah blah.

790
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: Hospital all right here get Here's where it gets awful.

791
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: So Shasta tells investigators that the night of her abduction,

792
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: her mother had called her in the living room from

793
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: her the bedroom where she had been sleeping, and she

794
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: saw Duncan, like the Duncan was like, call your kids

795
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 1: in here right now. She sees hint Duncan wearing black

796
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: gloves and holding a gun. He ties her mother's hands

797
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: with nylon zip ties, as well as the mother stiance,

798
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: and that her brother Slade. Then he takes this Dylan,

799
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: Shasta and her brother, her little brother Dylan out out

800
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: of the house. They get inside his stolen rental car,

801
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: and then Duncan goes back into the house. She hears

802
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: her mother's fiance scream and then sees her injured older

803
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: brother staggering away from the entrance to the home. But

804
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: she didn't witness Duncan bludgeoning the three of them to death.

805
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: He bludgeoned them to death.

806
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: Tied them up and bludgeon them. Fuck. When Shastas asked

807
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: where her brother Dylan is. She said in heaven there

808
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 1: may be some evidence down in the Lolo Forest, because

809
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: that's where we were.

810
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: What does that mean.

811
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: On July fourth, two thousand and five, Dylan's remains were

812
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: discovered at a campsite near Saint Regis, Montana. He'd been

813
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: sexually assaulted and then killed with a shot in the head,

814
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: after which his body had been burned, and Shasta fucking

815
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: witnessed the whole thing.

816
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: Oh God, I know.

817
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: Duncan had also filmed Dylan's final hours, and Duncan can

818
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: be audibly heard in the video, which was shown to

819
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: the fucking jury. Can you fucking imagine how much therapy

820
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: you need after that? Oh my god, saying the devil

821
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: likes to watch children suffer and cry. Chess is also

822
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: repeatedly tortured and sexually assaulted, but supposedly he falls in

823
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: love with her and decides to return her home, which

824
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,479
Speaker 1: is why they were back in her town.

825
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 2: Oh what the moster monster. Yeah.

826
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: Duncan later confesses that he had entered the home while

827
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: the family slept with the express intention of murdering the

828
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 1: parents and kidnapping the children. He claims he quote wanted

829
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: he wanted quote revenge against society for sending him to

830
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: prison for twenty years for sexually assaulting a younger boy

831
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: who was fourteen years old when he himself is only

832
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: sixteen year old. So he wants revenge against society for

833
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: being sent to prison for sexually assaulting.

834
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: For being rabists. Yep, yeah, that's not clear thinking. No,

835
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: it's not logical.

836
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: Things, and you're not taking responsibility for your actions. You're

837
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: not fucking You're not cool. You're Dougson.

838
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: You're the devil.

839
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: You're the devil. You're the Devil's like, dude, down the fuck?

840
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: Can you skip to the part where he gets murdered

841
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 2: in jail?

842
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: Please tell me the Devil's like, hey, man, I hurt

843
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: fucking corrupt attorneys.

844
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: Not yeah, sorry, corrupt attorneys. Sorry, corupt attorneys.

845
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: So he subsequently charged with murdering Dylan as well as

846
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: the three other family members. During his incarceration, authorities are

847
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: able to link Duncan to the disappearance of Anthony Michael Martinez,

848
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: who is ten years old when he went missing on

849
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: April fourth, ninety seven while he was playing with friends

850
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: in the front yard of his home in Beaumont, California.

851
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: A man approached, the group asks for help finding a

852
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: missing kitten while holding out a photo of a cat

853
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: as well as a dollar bill, and two of the

854
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: children ran away in fear, and the kidnapper pulls a

855
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: knife out, grabs Anthony, and flees in a white car

856
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: with what red pinstripes and no hug caps. After two

857
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: weeks search, Martinez's body is found nude and partially decomposed

858
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: in Indio on April nineteenth, ninety seven. He had been

859
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: sexually assaulted and bound with duct tape. A composite sketch

860
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: is made of the suspect and a partial fingerprint, but

861
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: the case goes cold, and then when he is incarcerated,

862
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: Riverside authorities are able to match the partial fingerprint taken

863
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: to Duncan, and so they officially announce his connection. He

864
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: pleads guilty in twenty eleven. The Plea agreement carries a

865
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: mandatory life sentence, although he won't get he won't get

866
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: the death penalty for it in California because he pleads guilty.

867
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: Duncan also confessed to two additional murders. Samijio White eleven

868
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 1: and her sister, Carmen Qbias, nine, were lasting leaving a Seattle,

869
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: Washington hotel to get cigarettes at a nearby restaurant for

870
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: an older brother. Nine no babies. Police said that they

871
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: don't they don't know whether the girls ran away or

872
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: victims of fel play at the time. Of course, a

873
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: fucking nine year old is running away an eleven year old.

874
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: Then on July sixth, ninety six. That happened on July

875
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: six ninety six. Then there remains were found on February tenth,

876
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight, in Bothel, Washington by a transient living

877
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: in an abandoned barn. All three murders occurred. What Duncan

878
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: was on parole of those murders, Duncan has only been

879
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: charged in the California case. In all, he's been convicted

880
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: in a Hio for kidnapping and murder of the three victims,

881
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: for which he was giving six life sentences, in federal

882
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: court for kidnapping Shasta and Dylan, and for murdering Dylan

883
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: he was given three death sentences in three life sentences,

884
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: and in the state of California for kidnapping murdering Anthony

885
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: Martinez for which he was given two life sentences. Is

886
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: he still in jail he's still in jail. He will

887
00:44:58,840 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 1: be forever.

888
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: Look see his picture. No oh god, oh Steven, you

889
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 2: better watch that mustache, because we are looking at a.

890
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 6: Serious and doubting the mustache. Yeah, although murdering has got

891
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 6: me a mustache. Switchblade car eh Okay, I can keep

892
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 6: it in check.

893
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, please do that case that little girl and

894
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 2: the thing she went through people, I feel like anybody

895
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 2: that was like conscious around that time paid attention to

896
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: anything around that time. It also because it was early

897
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 2: enough so that there wasn't like nowadays, there's so much

898
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 2: awful shit going on, as we know everywhere all the time.

899
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: They're closing down nature, they're closing down schools, they're closing

900
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: down protecting people who need protection. They're closing it all down.

901
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: It's insanity. It happens every day. But there was a time,

902
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 2: and I used to think about it a lot in

903
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: the nineties where we had it. We were just like

904
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 2: fat cats. There was nothing going on. It was before

905
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: we got into that first war.

906
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: Clinton. It was Clinton.

907
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: No, it was the Clinton days. It may have been

908
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: later than that, but still it was like there wasn't

909
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: so when something like that came on the news, y

910
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: it was heart stopping. It was like, you've got to

911
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: be kidding me, how did this happen? Yeah?

912
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: No, I mean and even even in the just the

913
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: last couple of years, we hear, we hear about every

914
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: single one of them, especially when you're into fucking true crime. Yeah,

915
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: I'm just constantly reading about these things and we're just

916
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: constantly looking at But back then it was harder to

917
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: find those things and the detail that you can get now, yeah, photos,

918
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: and so it was just this glimpse that you would get.

919
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: Yeah horrible, Yeah, God, that's yeah. Sorry, So that's no.

920
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: I mean, that's like that was a big one, and

921
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: it's interesting to know that that was a person that

922
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 2: started doing that, that was that was the internally and

923
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: intensely damaged individual. All that like started pretty bad and

924
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 2: it got way way, way worse.

925
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: Right somewhere along the way, you know, there could have

926
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: been intervention or just something different could have happened.

927
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 2: I think it's when eventually, hopefully people start taking rape

928
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 2: as a crime, more serious state, as a real as

929
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: something that this isn't something to have your hands slapped

930
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: and walked away from, and that a lot of people

931
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 2: that do it.

932
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: Do it over and over again and intend to do

933
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: it over and over again.

934
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: That's a serious problem with a person, and it's not.

935
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot of people who just

936
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: think rape is someone who wants to have sex really bad,

937
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: like a rapist is someone who's just looking for sex,

938
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: when if you think about it in a way which

939
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: it actually is, which is this fucking violent, insane mind

940
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: who needs to overpower and hurt and fucking ruin someone

941
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: that is a criminal who should not be allowed on

942
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: the streets after.

943
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: Three years of good behavior. And how often do they escalate?

944
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 2: I mean, how many stories do we tell that start

945
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: off with a person doing she he raped a girl

946
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: in his town, and then da dah dah, and then

947
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: he moved to this town and then suddenly he's murdering

948
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: the people he's raping. I mean, it's it's the story

949
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: every time. Yeah, I feel like it's going to catch

950
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: up slowly as long as we don't well, I mean,

951
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: I feel like the more people who talk about it,

952
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: the more people who have conversations, but also the more

953
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: like the brock Turner.

954
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, That's what I was thinking about.

955
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that the swimmer from Sandford who got released because

956
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: you know, nobody wanted to mess up his swimming career.

957
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: And he raped a girl so violently. Who I think

958
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 2: he drugged?

959
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: I think.

960
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if that ever came out like to

961
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: be the truth, but that's the theory.

962
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: She was incapacitated.

963
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: She was incapacitated. She and when she told the story,

964
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: it's like she's at a party and all of a

965
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: sudden she's waking up behind a dumpster. And the two

966
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 2: men who witnessed it were so upset. The two men,

967
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: grown men were shing him, so upset of what they witnessed.

968
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 2: That's not something that you go, okay, well, don't do

969
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 2: this anymore. Who would do that in the first It's like,

970
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: we have to start treating it and talking about it

971
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: as the extremely violent criminal act that it is. And

972
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 2: also stop fucking using the phrase sexual assault.

973
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 4: I was using.

974
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: If it's rape, it's rape.

975
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: Some people say, like, you know, sexual assault, it's not sex.

976
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,479
Speaker 1: Don't use the word sex when it's just righte uncon

977
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: sexual non consensual sex, non consensual sex is sex, is right,

978
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: is rape, that's right. Sex is between two consenting adults,

979
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: So don't fucking call it that.

980
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 2: Also, date rape is rape.

981
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: Date rape is rape. That doesn't mean it's just nice

982
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 1: and chill rape. No, it's rape.

983
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 2: Also, there's it wasn't a pre agreement that that agreement

984
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: got broken, which is what date rape alludes to.

985
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: You went on a date, what did you? Yeah, someone

986
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: got upset. No, this person is a rapist. Yeah, you

987
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: don't rape people unless you're a rapist.

988
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: So right, people, Oh man, I mean, I think we're

989
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: coming down pretty hard on an anti rape stance. I

990
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: think it's clear that we're anti right and we're saying

991
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: it to our listeners as if we were like to

992
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: convince them. Event you guys, stop it, stop it.

993
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: We're like, yes to fucking cruchet nipple belts, no to rape.

994
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: Just know where we stand. We're gonna tell you how

995
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 2: it works. There's no gray area.

996
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 1: Oh man, are you ready for yours?

997
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,479
Speaker 2: Yeah? This is gonna be a bit of a left turn.

998
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say it's fun, but it died.

999
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: It's an upturn. It's an uptick from.

1000
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: It's it's not the most upsetting for me. That really,

1001
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: and I'm not I swear I'm not criticizing you. It

1002
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 2: really that's the one that gets me where I almost

1003
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 2: try not to think about it because it's just awful.

1004
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: I've almost didn't do it. But I'm like, but there

1005
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: are people. I mean, that's these are the stories people.

1006
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 2: When you talk about them, it's important.

1007
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1008
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 2: Because also because she's a survivor and she survived.

1009
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: And she has a story it's how which I think

1010
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: she's now coming out and telling it.

1011
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 2: I bet she is. Yeah, I bet, I bet she's

1012
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: doing amazing work.

1013
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: And that's you know, there's no I mean, just to

1014
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: think of the nightmare she went through. Yeah, as a survivor,

1015
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: she has to be a very strong person to be

1016
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: able to move to move forward, not on, but move

1017
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: forward in real life.

1018
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 2: Yep, Okay, we're back, Georgie. You have any updates on

1019
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: this story?

1020
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: I do have some updates. What an awful fucking story.

1021
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: And I hate to keep bringing up the book well,

1022
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: I actually love to keep bringing up the book Murderland.

1023
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 1: But this dude grew up in the perfect serial killer area. Yeah,

1024
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: you know, that's Pacific Northwest in the seventies, lead filled skies.

1025
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 2: I just bought a hard copy of that book because

1026
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: I was like, it's going to take too long. It's okay,

1027
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: it's okay. I want to support it anyway. And I

1028
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: saw it. I was a bookstar and I saw it

1029
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 2: and I was just like, oh, I have to get

1030
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 2: this myself.

1031
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: By Mike Jealous that you're going to start it again.

1032
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: It's so fucking incredible. Okay, So I have some updates.

1033
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, Joseph Edward Duncan the Third died

1034
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: at the age of fifty eight while still on death row.

1035
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: He had previously been diagnosed with terminal brain cancer. Anthony

1036
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: Edward's father, Ernesto, made a statement saying, quote, while I

1037
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: would have liked to witness his execution, knowing that he

1038
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: is now standing before God, being held accountable for what

1039
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: he has done, what he did to my son and

1040
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: the horrible crimes he committed to others, That's the real

1041
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 1: justice end quote. And then Shasta Growan wrote a book

1042
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: incredible called Out of the Woods, A Girl, a Killer

1043
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: and a Lifelong Struggle to find the Way Home that

1044
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: was published very recently in twenty twenty five and co

1045
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: authored with true crime writer Greg Olsen.

1046
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 2: We need to get that, yeah, I mean everybody should

1047
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: go buy Shasta Ground's book for sure.

1048
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: Definitely Out of the Woods. It's called and in it

1049
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: is open with her long healing journey and tells the

1050
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: story of her life both before and after she lost

1051
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: her family and survived Duncan's violence. I've seen her on

1052
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: TV and she is just this dynamic, incredible, on aspiring woman.

1053
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that was maybe said. Yeah, it sounded like

1054
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: Mabe was making fun of me. I'm like, I'm wow.

1055
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: She's like, Wow, I do have a corrections corner on

1056
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: your story because I mentioned the basically the detail that

1057
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 2: ed Gean's mother pinched his penis right, and that was

1058
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: a topic in the original episode. It turns out that

1059
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 2: it's like an urban myth, and it's like, there's no basically,

1060
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: there's no proof. So that's just me kind of pushing

1061
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 2: along another urban myth that I shouldn't have done. Thank

1062
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 2: god you cleared that horrible detail up twenty nine years later.

1063
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: Please don't think poorly of ed Dean's mother.

1064
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: In this fucking podcast of horrible details. There's one we

1065
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: can check.

1066
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: Right off that. Let's get rid of it. Oh yeah, all.

1067
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: Right, let's listen to Karen's story about Fred Newlander.

1068
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to talk to you about a

1069
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 2: man named Rabbi Fred Newlander. Do you know him?

1070
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 4: No?

1071
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 2: Okay, So I got most of this from an old

1072
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 2: City Confidential, which if you haven't seen City Confidential, oh

1073
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 2: the oldest ones were narrated by a man, a great

1074
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 2: actor named Paul Winfield. And Paul Winfield narrated this show

1075
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: like he had uh a margarita in one hand. He

1076
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: is so chilled out. It feels like when he tells

1077
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: you the story and the writing is so hilariously brilliant.

1078
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 2: They tell you the story so they it's called City Confidential,

1079
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 2: so they tell you all about the city first, so

1080
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 2: they're like, it was a bedroom coming exactly Jerry Hill, Pennsylvania.

1081
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: It was a sleepy book. And then it becomes they

1082
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 2: do it thematically. So since because this was about the rabbi,

1083
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: it was all these biblical references, it was like, but

1084
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 2: evil did live here, and it's like and he's kind

1085
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: of talking like that, he's a little slurry.

1086
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: It's like, but yeah, but like such obvious innuendos that

1087
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: it's not.

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00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 2: I love that show. It's the best show. I used

1089
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:26,919
Speaker 2: to watch it so much.

1090
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: I don't know why Forensic Files is on constantly and

1091
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: that show isn't because Forensic Files is like adorable, it's

1092
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 1: so dated, you know, it's a book.

1093
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 2: Consitting on Vengel is legitimately good. City Confidential is a

1094
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: beautifully put together, beautifully produced show. Good stories too, great stories.

1095
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: They get great people. Here's what I love the hometown reporters. Oh,

1096
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 2: because they're the ones that know the whole story.

1097
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: Angels, and this is their big fucking moments to be

1098
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: on TV and.

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00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: To be like I know I wrote about he called

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00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 2: the one. I'm the one. It's me. Listen.

1101
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: I went to fucking Phoenix University journalism school, and I'm

1102
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: finally fucking getting my come up.

1103
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 2: And but a lot of these people, like it's true,

1104
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 2: it's like these This one woman who's a reporter for

1105
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 2: it was like the Cherry Hill Gazette or whatever the hell.

1106
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 2: I should have written it down. No, it's on YouTube.

1107
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 2: Everybody go watch it. It's so good. But these are journalists,

1108
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 2: these are really these are people who are like, this

1109
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 2: is what the town's like, this is what we're used to.

1110
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 2: This is It's so cool because they give you.

1111
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: The sense of what is going on, and they're always

1112
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: such like they're such earnest people like you trust them.

1113
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 2: You they know what they're talking about. It's not this

1114
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 2: this bullshit over here where it's like I think it

1115
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: was in Pennsylvania. They're like they know for a fact

1116
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 2: everything they say is a fact.

1117
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: And there over here, like sitting on the couch right now.

1118
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 2: I was pointing to myself, Oh yeah, I thought you

1119
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 2: met like the La time. I was like, oh no,

1120
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 2: because we're in LA, like the west coast, like uh no, no, okay,

1121
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 2: So yes, if you want, if you want to get

1122
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 2: the full story the city comfident on there also, just

1123
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 2: I do recommend getting onto a YouTube like enter some

1124
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: true crime something, because they just have a million old

1125
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: shows on YouTube that are true crime stories that just

1126
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 2: they don't This one doesn't have the title City Confidential.

1127
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: It just says Fred Newlandorn Oh yeah, then you click it,

1128
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 2: so I think somebody was avoiding oh get in trouble.

1129
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: So you can still watch them anyhow, Please do support

1130
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: City Confidential. It doesn't exist anymore. Okay. So Cherry Hill,

1131
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania is a suburb of Philly. It's middle upper middle class,

1132
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 2: and it might sound familiar to you because it had

1133
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: the first indoor mall on the East coast the Cherry

1134
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 2: Hill mall. Okay, no, okay, So that's exciting for that.

1135
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 2: I'm happy for them, right, people. I mean it used

1136
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: to be like because the Highway seventy used to go

1137
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 2: from Philly to Cherry Hill, and so basically that road

1138
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: was always full of traffic because people lived worked in

1139
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: the city and lived in the suburbs. And so they

1140
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: started building you know, stores along the road because everyone

1141
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 2: was always on the road. That's smart. That's what led

1142
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 2: to the first indoor mall.

1143
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: I never thought of that thing, like there's a first one. Yeah,

1144
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: it's just like then they were.

1145
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then people just go like the whole city

1146
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: was kind of built around and the community was in

1147
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: the mall. They one of these reporters said, like, if

1148
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: you want to know the community or see what the

1149
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: community is like, you go to the mall. Wow. I

1150
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: love a mall, dude. Yeah. So okay. So there's like

1151
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 2: seventy thousand residents and probably a third of them are Jewish.

1152
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 2: So there's that. You know, these reporters talk a lot

1153
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 2: about how much there really is a lot of diversity

1154
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: in this town. And so one of the more popular

1155
00:58:54,680 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 2: temples in Cherry Hill is called kor shaloone and it

1156
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 2: was founded by Rabbi Fred Newlander in nineteen seventy four.

1157
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 2: He was an assistant rabbi at a different temple, but

1158
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 2: he didn't want to be the assistant anymore, and he

1159
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 2: felt like his take on what he wanted to talk

1160
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: about and preach about, please correct me on any of

1161
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 2: these I'm going to use a lot of Catholic wording

1162
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 2: for very strictly Jewish things, and I apologize in advance.

1163
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 2: But he basically wanted his congregation and his leadership to

1164
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 2: be a little bit more updated and a little different.

1165
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: So he starts this new temple and by the mid

1166
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: nineties he's got four thousand people going to it, so

1167
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: it's like one of the bigger ones in the city.

1168
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 2: He had met his wife, Carol in college. She was

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00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 2: the daughter of a very well to do garment garment businessman.

1170
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 2: I guess, garment manufacturer, like a garment textile guy, you know,

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00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 2: textiles and clothing merchant, I guess. But she was rich,

1172
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 2: like she grew up in a mansion in Long Island

1173
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 2: and with butlers and stuff. Holha, I love that part.

1174
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: And they talked about like a rolling a rolling lawn

1175
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: down to the ocean or whatever.

1176
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: Like thought of having.

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01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: Butler's just like hanging out makes me I would feel.

1178
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 2: Guilty and uncomfortable.

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01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're like someone's silent standing there, ready to do

1180
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: your bidding. Steve, And I want to point out that, yeah,

1181
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: I would hate it to have like a helper.

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01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 2: It's someone that just does whatever you ask them to

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01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 2: and you don't you only pay every five months. Touche.

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01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 2: I stand corrected. I meant that about myself as much

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01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: as you know. Yeah, you were correct. Steven's crying.

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01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: Uh, Stephen, get back in your hole, Stephen, put your

1187
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: tuxiedo back on.

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01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 2: Okay. So, while at the same time as Fred is,

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01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 2: you know, starting up his basically his own religious community

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Speaker 2: in Cherry Hill, Carol notices that they're with all the

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01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 2: festivities that go on in the religious holidays and stuff

1192
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: like that, there's no kosher bakery. So she opens Cherry

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01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 2: Hill's first kosher bakery. It was called the Classic Cake Company.

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01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 2: And she starts at smilingly right, she sees a niche

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01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 2: and that needs to be filled. She does it.

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Speaker 1: She's not going to fucking rest on her dad's textile laurels.

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01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: Fuck no, no, and she's not going to rest on

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01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: her rabbi husband's good time. Now, she's going to be like,

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Speaker 2: excuse me, I went to a party and yet again

1200
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: I couldn't get a slice of kosher cake.

1201
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: Can I please? It might God damn it to three

1202
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: any butder cream in this fucking the past couch bacon.

1203
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 2: That's kosher right when it doesn't get bacon rubbed on it.

1204
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: So she starts this cake company and it does great.

1205
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 2: So by the early nineties the new Landers are killing it.

1206
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 2: Their son, Matthew is a medical student, but he's also

1207
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 2: part time emt. Their daughter, Rebecca lived in Philly. I

1208
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: don't know anything about her, but I want to say

1209
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 2: great things she was. I mean, she lived in Philly,

1210
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 2: she got out of Cherry Hill, she made it. She

1211
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 2: wasn't an oath schwamp, no, no way. And she still

1212
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 2: got along with her family because her and her mom

1213
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 2: talked on the phone all the time. So the only

1214
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 2: worry was this Carol at the Classic Cake Company made

1215
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 2: the take was between five and twenty grand a day.

1216
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 2: Holy shit. So it's a middle aged mom type who's

1217
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 2: driving home with a shit ton of cats every night.

1218
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 2: So Fred starts to be concerned about that, and he

1219
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 2: tells Carol, I'm going to look into this because I

1220
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 2: think we need better security for the house and for you,

1221
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 2: and we need to kind of like address this. So

1222
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 2: in uh, Fred says he knows a guy. So what

1223
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,919
Speaker 2: it happened was in nineteen ninety two, a man named

1224
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 2: Lenn Janoff had come to the temple because someone in

1225
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,439
Speaker 2: HISA group recommended that he go speak to Rabbi Fred

1226
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 2: Newmyer because at the time Lenn had just gotten divorced.

1227
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 2: He was totally broke. He was a raging alcoholic doing

1228
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 2: very like really bad in general. And also it's people

1229
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 2: say he was kind of a bit of a liar.

1230
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 2: So he had a he had kind of a he

1231
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 2: had some personality issues and some work to do. And

1232
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 2: when he went to go talk to Rabbi Fred Newmeyer,

1233
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 2: they got along great and and Fred said, come to

1234
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 2: this temple. You don't have to worry about paying anything

1235
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 2: like you We want you here. You're welcome, And he

1236
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 2: really made a place for him there and they both

1237
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 2: smoked at the time, so they would sneak off and

1238
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,919
Speaker 2: smoke together because I think rabbis rabbis might maybe they're

1239
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 2: not supposed to smoke or it's frowned upon or something. Well,

1240
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 2: he would sneak away with his friend and they would

1241
01:03:55,640 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 2: go smoke and talk, and turned out that and had

1242
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 2: a lot to say. He had been a Vietnam vett

1243
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 2: and then according to him, he worked for the CIA

1244
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 2: and the FBI and Special Forces.

1245
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: Nobody, if you actually have done that, you don't say it.

1246
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 2: That's exactly what someone said in City Confidential. Shut up

1247
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 2: were swear to God. I think his own friend there

1248
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 2: was another guy that was this classic like because this

1249
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 2: thing was shot in what nineteen ninety five probably, so

1250
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 2: there's some amazing like amazing colored blazers and there's some

1251
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 2: frosted tips. But his friend said the exact same thing.

1252
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 2: People who worked in the CIA do not tell you

1253
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 2: stories about when they used to work at the CIA.

1254
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: The part of Len's reason for drinking so much is

1255
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: because he had been in the ship and seen the shit.

1256
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 2: Okay, so no one's going to say anything about it. Okay.

1257
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 2: So on Tuesday nights, Carol is at the Classic K

1258
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 2: Company has her it's her manager's meeting night, and so

1259
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 2: she stays at work until eight. So that night November one,

1260
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four is a Tuesday, and Fred comes home

1261
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: at six o'clock and he brings a pizza home for

1262
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 2: him and Matthew to have for dinner because they know

1263
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 2: Carol's not going to be there. And then Matthew goes

1264
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 2: for his shift being an amt at six thirty.

1265
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: Oh no, so I know where this is going.

1266
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 2: You might. So then Fred goes back to the temple

1267
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 2: because Carol's not going to be there. So he goes

1268
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 2: back to the temple. He pops in on the assistant

1269
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 2: rabbi's Judaism class, and he pops in on the fire practice,

1270
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 2: and he's kind of hanging out of the temple.

1271
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's doing.

1272
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:47,479
Speaker 2: When Carol comes home at eight o'clock, no one's home,

1273
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 2: and she's talking on the phone to her daughter, Rebecca,

1274
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 2: And while they're on the phone, she says to her daughter, Oh,

1275
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 2: the bathroom. The bathroom man's here again, And she's like,

1276
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? And then Carol explains that

1277
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 2: a man had dropped by to deliver something for Fred

1278
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 2: the father, and instead of just handing the thing to her,

1279
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 2: he asked if he could use the bathroom, and so

1280
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 2: he came in and used the bathroom. Oh no, And

1281
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 2: Rebecca was very upset about that and was like, I

1282
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 2: don't like that at all. Don't let him in. And

1283
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 2: she said, no, he's fine. He's this schlubby guy. He's

1284
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, he's nothing to worry about, basically,

1285
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 2: is what she said. And then they get off the

1286
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 2: phone and she says he's a friend of your father's,

1287
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 2: so don't worry about it. In nine to twenty, Fred

1288
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 2: comes home from the temple and no one's home, and

1289
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:45,479
Speaker 2: then when he gets inside the doorway more he looks

1290
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 2: in the living room and it's white carpet, white furniture,

1291
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 2: like almost an completely white room, and it's covered in blood.

1292
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 2: There's blood everywhere, and Carol is laying in the middle

1293
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 2: of the living room death. He calls nine one one,

1294
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 2: and when he calls nine one one, he sounds really

1295
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 2: upset and flustered, and at one point he says to

1296
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 2: the dispatcher or the nine one one operator, should I

1297
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 2: touch her? He asks that, so and I thought about

1298
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 2: that after because I was like, well, that's kind of

1299
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 2: a weird point to make. And then I thought, well,

1300
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 2: that's that thing where if I walked into this apartment

1301
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 2: to come and record, and you were laying in the

1302
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:30,439
Speaker 2: middle of the floor, right bloody. I would run over

1303
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 2: to you and be like, George, are you okay, and

1304
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 2: touch you yeah, bunch, without asking anybody about it.

1305
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: You wouldn't think to yourself, oh, I don't want to

1306
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 1: contaminate this crime scene.

1307
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 2: Right, We're just I'm going to hang back and hope

1308
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 2: hopefully she's okay. So that that was noted basically, And

1309
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 2: then I thought about that because so his so as

1310
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 2: he's on the phone call, he says, you have to

1311
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 2: tell that, you have to tell them my son is

1312
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 2: an e MT. They can't send him here, and so

1313
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 2: like the word goes out. But it didn't matter because

1314
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 2: he was like the third group that arrived. So by

1315
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 2: the address, yes, but he wasn't on that call or

1316
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 2: that run or whatever. So by the time he did arrive,

1317
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 2: there had already been police and another ambulance or whatever.

1318
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 2: He tries to run inside, he has to get physically

1319
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 2: restrained from running inside, and then he looks over and

1320
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 2: sees his father just standing in the driveway, just kind

1321
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 2: of staring, and he notices that there's no blood on

1322
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 2: his father at all. There's not a drop of anything

1323
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 2: on his father. And then he asks, and he and

1324
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 2: the rabbi didn't say last rites over her. He didn't

1325
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,679
Speaker 2: say the prayer, like there are things they were saying

1326
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 2: that they would assume he would have done as a

1327
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 2: rabbi with a dead person. Now, who knows, because it's

1328
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 2: his wife. Sure, so he might have just been in

1329
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,879
Speaker 2: total shock and like wandered out. Fair But when police

1330
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 2: were exiting the house, coming in and out, he never

1331
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,600
Speaker 2: asked anybody what's going on? What happened to her? He

1332
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 2: never said a word. He was just standing there, very

1333
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 2: dispassionately staring.

1334
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: And if you found me and I was stabbed to death,

1335
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: and the thing that'll go through your mind is is.

1336
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 2: The killer still in the house? Yes, you know what

1337
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 2: I mean to not think that, how long ago did

1338
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 2: this happen? Who did it? What is happening?

1339
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: Why are they still here? Yeah, I think that's a

1340
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 1: natural fucking fuck. Yes, that'd be the scariest thing. So

1341
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't even think about that. No, that's bad, Like

1342
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: that's a bad sign.

1343
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 2: Yes, And also I did hear a bit of his

1344
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 2: nine one one call, and it's just I just hate

1345
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 2: so much when it sounds like people are fake. I

1346
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 2: hate fake crying. Ah does he sound like he's just

1347
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 2: like that, But it's like, I just I just love

1348
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 2: good acting, and this offends me when people are like, oh,

1349
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 2: this will pass. This is how people act when they're upset.

1350
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: Everyone else is so stupid and I'm so smart that

1351
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 1: they'll never know that this is fucking fake.

1352
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I'll buy it. So good, I'm so

1353
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 2: good and so believable in these decisions I'm about to

1354
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 2: make about what a real person.

1355
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 1: Has emotions, right, Like who wouldn't murder his wife?

1356
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh my god, Okay, so okay, says go to paper. Okay.

1357
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 2: So of course immediately he becomes the focus of the

1358
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 2: investigation because he's the husband and because these weird, weird behavior. Yeah,

1359
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 2: they start talking to but his alibi is air tight,

1360
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 2: as we know, the choir teachers say, and the assistant rabbi.

1361
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 1: Some he asked everyone what time it was?

1362
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 2: Is it for real?

1363
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: And to the point where the cops are immediate like,

1364
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: that's a super air tight alibia.

1365
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 2: You don't buy from one second. Well, and they start

1366
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 2: asking people at the temple. It was the first time

1367
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 2: in four years he'd ever gone into the Judaism class.

1368
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1369
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 2: And the choir leader was a known to hate interruptions.

1370
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 2: No one went into choir practice while it was going on.

1371
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 2: It was and and Fred himself knew that about him.

1372
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 1: Do some due diligence and then come in like once

1373
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 1: in the fucking weeks beforehand, keep telling you how to

1374
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 1: fucking kill someone.

1375
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 2: But it's the thing of if you don't know instinctually

1376
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 2: how natural people act, how I act in a natural way,

1377
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 2: you're not gonna be able to recreate it. If you're

1378
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 2: a sociopath like this guy.

1379
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,799
Speaker 1: And everyone thinks you're on the label, Yeah.

1380
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 2: You think everyone's dumb. And also clearly he's got a

1381
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 2: bit of a god complex. And she's like, I need

1382
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 2: my own temple whatever. Yeah, so okay. Uh. Then they

1383
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 2: go to the phone records and they realized that the

1384
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 2: rabbi had been calling this one number. And they go

1385
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 2: and look at it and it's a local Philadelphia radio

1386
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 2: talk show host and m yes, and uh, we'd have

1387
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 2: to find her name.

1388
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: Shit, Sorry, this is a weird turn. I wasn't expecting.

1389
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 2: Did you not see this one coming? Oh? I didn't

1390
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 2: see that we were going to go into talk radio

1391
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,440
Speaker 2: now I did not. We'll talk about that in podcasting.

1392
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 2: Neither did anybody else, especially the fans of Elaine Sorcines

1393
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 2: of Philadelphia Radio. She's a radio personality. So basically they

1394
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 2: do all the math. They see that he's he called her.

1395
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 2: He called her the day after the murder and said,

1396
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 2: I really like hang in there. I really want to

1397
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 2: be with you.

1398
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: Did they fucking what's that? They fucking?

1399
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 2: Oh? They straight up fucking yeah. So they find out

1400
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 2: all these calls are going to her house. This is

1401
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 2: a woman who the reason they met is because two

1402
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 2: years earlier he presided over her husband's funeral. Uh huh, girl, yes,

1403
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 2: that's right, and they had started having an affair, they

1404
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 2: say roughly two months later.

1405
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 1: Oh no, yes, Bonnie ain't cold.

1406
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 2: He moved right in.

1407
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: Yep, you don't. You don't fuck someone whose husband you

1408
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: said the cottash for. You know what I mean? Right,

1409
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: That's what I always say. It's what you that's here,

1410
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 1: you have that tattooed.

1411
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 2: Right? Uh okay, So oh I'm sorry, I just got

1412
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 2: I just got up to my own piece of paper.

1413
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 2: They began. She admitted that they started having an affair

1414
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 2: ten days after her husband's funeral ten days. Oh no,

1415
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 2: after her husband's funeral. No. Yes, And then two years later,

1416
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 2: she gives him an ultimatum. She says, I don't want

1417
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 2: to sneak around with you anymore. You say you want

1418
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 2: to leave your wife, leave your wife, and if you

1419
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 2: don't do it by the end of nineteen ninety four,

1420
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 2: this is over and I'm starting afresh in the new year.

1421
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 2: And he's like, how about instead, well, he so that

1422
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 2: was in October of nineteen ninety four, and the murder

1423
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 2: happens in November. He's told her, I'll have this all

1424
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 2: sorted out by your birthday, which was in December, and

1425
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 2: she's like, you know, I mean breakup I sorted out?

1426
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 1: Do you mean yeah, you're going to end their relation?

1427
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 2: No, No, that's kind of what I did. A horrible murder. Yeah.

1428
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 2: Oh well that's not what I was talking about at all.

1429
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, so he was making a lot of calls

1430
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 2: to her. So the police, all the evidence they have

1431
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:38,679
Speaker 2: is circumstantial. So it even though everyone's like that stuff

1432
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 2: about his airtight alibi, it's still an airtight alibi. Just

1433
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 2: like everyone's like, this is this thanks to Yah Heaven?

1434
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter. They can't get any hard evidence

1435
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 2: until the cops tell Elaine that Fred Newlander was also

1436
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 2: having affairs with three other women not the temple, besides her.

1437
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 2: And that's when she's like, guess what, hey about? Guess

1438
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 2: what everybody? And she spills it. Then not a.

1439
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 1: Shitty thing though for her not to If she hadn't

1440
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: known that, she would have never told anyone, you.

1441
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 2: Know what I mean? Yeah, I mean I bet she

1442
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 2: needed to believe that he didn't do it, or that

1443
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 2: it was all like, I'm sure he was telling her.

1444
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 2: Of course, the husband suspected. We're always suspected. Hang in

1445
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 2: there with me, and.

1446
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 1: She wasn't a fucking murderina then, because any murderino would

1447
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 1: be like, get the fuck away from me.

1448
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's He also told her, I told you

1449
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 2: to trust me. When God closes the door, he opens a.

1450
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 1: Window, you're like glad you fart or something, Get the

1451
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 1: fuck out of here.

1452
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 2: It's like, you're the happiest rabbi I've ever heard. You're

1453
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 2: supposed to be really eloquent and have like good sayings.

1454
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:48,759
Speaker 2: Yeah that's Brent a serious man. Okay.

1455
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: Movie.

1456
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:54,640
Speaker 2: So in May of two thousand, len Janoff goes to

1457
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 2: a local Oh no, sorry, that.

1458
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,560
Speaker 1: Was what you were telling me what she was like.

1459
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:01,480
Speaker 1: So she finds out there Elaine. Yeah.

1460
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 2: So Lane finds out that the cops are liked he's

1461
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 2: having all these other fish and she's like, oh fine,

1462
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 2: then the blah blah blah, and none of this is

1463
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 2: as I believe it to be. But that wasn't. That

1464
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 2: wasn't until way later I believe it was. She finally

1465
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 2: tells them that in nineteen ninety six, but that's still circumstantial.

1466
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 2: That could be like the lady that's mad because the

1467
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 2: guy didn't pick her whatever. When it finally cracks is

1468
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 2: when lean Janoff goes to a local reporter and starts

1469
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 2: telling her about how he was told that that basically

1470
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:46,879
Speaker 2: Rabbi Fred Newlander, who sorry. In the meantime, len Janoff

1471
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 2: becomes the rabbi spokesperson. So anytime there's news cameras, anytime

1472
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 2: there's reporters on the front lawn, the Rabbi sends len

1473
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 2: Janoff out to talk to them. And this guy is

1474
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 2: just a bullshit or oh my god, and apparently he was.

1475
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,839
Speaker 2: He would he would call people, he would give quotes.

1476
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 2: He was like way out in front of the story. Yeah,

1477
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 2: and he loved to hand out a private investigation business

1478
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 2: card like he and security business card. The whole thing

1479
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 2: made me think of the Jerry Peppini guy that's like, oh,

1480
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 2: I'll handle this, I'll be the mouthpiece, Like what are

1481
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 2: you doing here?

1482
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:29,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, another fucking big headed sociopath.

1483
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 2: Yes, And so they work on that guy for a

1484
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 2: long time. He eventually tells a reporter that the rabbi

1485
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 2: hired him for thirty thousand dollars to kill his wife.

1486
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 1: He spills it, Oh my god.

1487
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 2: And so he tells the story that him and his

1488
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 2: friend Paul Daniels, who he met in AA and Paul

1489
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 2: Daniels was twenty years old when this happened. And every

1490
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 2: picture of him he looks dumber than the last picture,

1491
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 2: Like every picture his mouth is open and it looks

1492
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 2: like he can't believe he's where he is. It's super sad.

1493
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 2: And I know it's wrong to be like, oh, that poor,

1494
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 2: terrible criminal that murdered this woman, but it really looks

1495
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 2: like he got looped into something that he kind of

1496
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 2: didn't know.

1497
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: What was going on.

1498
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 2: Yes, but I mean erased that, because still what happened

1499
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 2: was they knock on the door. That night at the house,

1500
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 2: Carol answers the door, recognizes the bathroom man, and they

1501
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 2: come in. She's what happens. She led them into the house.

1502
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,640
Speaker 2: So for whatever they said to her the door, she

1503
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 2: was like, come on in, you guys. She turns around,

1504
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 2: well because she trusts him because it's her husband's friend.

1505
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 2: And she turns around to walk in and one of

1506
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 2: them hits her on the back of the head with

1507
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 2: a pipe and she goes down. They crack her head open.

1508
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 2: She goes down in the living room and then and

1509
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 2: the Paul Daniels guy says he did the one hit

1510
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 2: and then len Janoff went in and just beat her

1511
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 2: to death with this play. That's the story that guy

1512
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 2: gives and they in the in the City Confidential. The

1513
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 2: report this one reporter describes it where it's like it's

1514
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 2: a white living room and there's just blood everywhere. Like

1515
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 2: it's so disturbingly awful because it's like you kill a person,

1516
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 2: that's just like, yeah, there's blood spatter, there's whatever.

1517
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 1: It's actually the word legend, Yeah, such a horrible word,

1518
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: but it's terrible violent eye. Yeah.

1519
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 2: So finally, uh so, finally they get the cops get

1520
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 2: enough evidence so they can indict Fred Neumeyer for this

1521
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 2: new Lander, sorry for this death. So they go they

1522
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 2: have the first trial, and in that trial all this

1523
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 2: stuff comes out. So it's just like all this gossip

1524
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 2: from the temple, all the stuff they it's just all

1525
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 2: they had no idea that their rabbi was this much

1526
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,719
Speaker 2: of a douchebag. And it all comes out in trial

1527
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:03,600
Speaker 2: and they find out that the daughter, like you know,

1528
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 2: the mother had just said to the daughter, it's the bathroom. Yeah.

1529
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 2: Then they find out that len Janoff had been there

1530
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 2: the week before, on the Tuesday night when she was

1531
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 2: supposed to be there by herself. But he got cold

1532
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 2: feet because when he went in, Fred Newlander told him

1533
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 2: it needed to look like a robbery. They needed to

1534
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 2: be stealing that cake company money. But he when he

1535
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 2: walked in, he couldn't see her purse, and since he

1536
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 2: knew he wouldn't be able to make it look like

1537
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,639
Speaker 2: a robbery, he got cold feet, asked he was the bathroom,

1538
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 2: and then left.

1539
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god, So that's why he's the bathroom man.

1540
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: That's why he's the bathroom man.

1541
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 2: He was there. He was supposed to kill her that

1542
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 2: night and basically punked out, holy shit. Yeah. So they

1543
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 2: they get it all in trial, and the jury's deadlocked

1544
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 2: and it's declared a mistrump no, yes, and this is

1545
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 2: five years, more than five years of police work and

1546
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 2: lawyer's work and everything. It's declared a mistrial. And when

1547
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 2: it's declared in mistrial, Fred Newlander smiled, and the prosecuting

1548
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 2: attorney saw him smile, and the next morning went down

1549
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 2: and filed for a retrial. Immediately, It's just like, we

1550
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 2: are doing this again right now. So when the new

1551
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 2: trial starts, don't need that paper. When the new trial starts,

1552
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:31,919
Speaker 2: this time his children testify for the prosecution. So Rebecca

1553
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 2: and Matthew now come and tell the story, and it's

1554
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 2: the tone is really different, and he's like, basically, it's

1555
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 2: very sad. The son is just like my father was

1556
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 2: watching this whole thing and had no emotions whatsoever, and

1557
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 2: like his mother was murdered and his father didn't care,

1558
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 2: and so awful. Anyway, at the end of the second

1559
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 2: trial in two thousand and two, he's declared guilty and

1560
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 2: he does this speech at the end that is the layman,

1561
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 2: and it's like that thing we've seen before where they

1562
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 2: just talk about themselves and how hard it is for

1563
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 2: them and what a and he actually, at one point

1564
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 2: at the end of this kind of rambling speech that

1565
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 2: kind of makes no sense, and he's quoting Bible verse,

1566
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 2: of course, and then he goes, I and I alone

1567
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 2: know that I am innocent. And then it's just like, well,

1568
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:21,599
Speaker 2: listen to what you just said.

1569
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically like you just said, you're super fucking guilty,

1570
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 1: right right, not being persecuted, you're guilty.

1571
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. But then after that, Carol's brother Edward, stands up

1572
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 2: and he goes, in the past eight years, you've acted

1573
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 2: in a manner so repulsive that words cannot begin to

1574
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 2: describe the person that you've become. You are a murderer,

1575
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 2: a liar, a coward, a cheat. You've dishonored Carol, yourself,

1576
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:56,520
Speaker 2: your children, this court, the rabinet, your congregation, and judaism ah.

1577
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 2: And I just as I'm watching City Confidential, I'm just

1578
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 2: like and writing down every word, Edward says, because I

1579
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 2: was like, that's fucking bad.

1580
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: That's powerful.

1581
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 2: Like you're basically like, do whatever you think you're doing there,

1582
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 2: it's not where you're humiliating yourself.

1583
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, God doesn't like you anymore.

1584
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 2: That's right. You blew it.

1585
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 1: You blew it.

1586
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 2: So now he's serving a life sentence. Paul Daniels and

1587
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 2: Len Janoff were both given twenty three years for their parts. Wow,

1588
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:32,640
Speaker 2: that's it, which is kind of insane that they're the

1589
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 2: ones that swung the total pipe. But it was because

1590
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 2: it was his plan, Fred's plan.

1591
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like intention. Your intention wasn't to kill your wife,

1592
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 1: it was to get money to.

1593
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 2: Get for someone else. And also Lenn Janoff was promised

1594
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 2: that he was going to get He's going to go

1595
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 2: be able to go join the Masade, the Israeli Army.

1596
01:23:57,160 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 2: Oh it's called Insel, right, that's the Israeli the Masad,

1597
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 2: or it might be Israeli special Forces. I don't know.

1598
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 2: But basically he believed that he was going to go

1599
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:07,919
Speaker 2: from there to then go be like a super soldier,

1600
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 2: which just shows that that guy was pretty nuts. He

1601
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 2: was released from jail in twenty fourteen, and Paul Daniels

1602
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 2: was released in October of twenty fourteen. Are you serious?

1603
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well let me see if I missed anything,

1604
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 4: because I wish I could show you how insane these

1605
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 4: pieces of paper look of my handwriting I'm handwriting city.

1606
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can do that.

1607
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:37,640
Speaker 2: It's kind of fun to like watch TV and then

1608
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 2: be like this is important and be writing it down.

1609
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 2: But I didn't. I went out of order. Both trials

1610
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 2: were televised on Court TV.

1611
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've never even heard of it.

1612
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 2: I know, isn't that crazy? And this is so this guy,

1613
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 2: Arthur J. Magata wrote a book called The Rabbi and

1614
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 2: the Hitman about this case, and this is just one

1615
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,599
Speaker 2: last story from it that I thought was pretty good.

1616
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:07,719
Speaker 2: So a congregant who was a doctor had been friends

1617
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 2: with Newlander for twenty years and traditionally went to the

1618
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 2: rabbi's house for their annual breaking of the fast after

1619
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 2: Yama War. And when Newlander was charged with this crime

1620
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 2: before the trials, the physician told the Newlander he wasn't

1621
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 2: going to keep their tradition, and the rabbi wanted to

1622
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 2: talk it over, and so he went to his friend's

1623
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 2: house and sitting in the living room, that doctor told

1624
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:31,759
Speaker 2: Newlander why he believed that he had had his wife killed.

1625
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 2: That Newlander never behaved like a grieving widower. That when

1626
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,959
Speaker 2: the physician planned to offer a reward for the information,

1627
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 2: about the murder, Newlander asked for the money for himself.

1628
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 2: Newlander asked his friend to provide a letter explaining that

1629
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 2: medication he was taking for a heart problem would have

1630
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,679
Speaker 2: caused him to fail his lie detector test what and after?

1631
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 2: And he had a motive because with his wife gone,

1632
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 2: he didn't have to worry about the mess of doors

1633
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 2: and he could go on with his lady talk show

1634
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 2: host radio talk show host. So Newlander tries to defend himself,

1635
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 2: saying he loved his wife and then uh, the doctor says, Fred,

1636
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 2: no matter what you say, I can't help but like

1637
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 2: you because you're charming and you're beguiling. But I think

1638
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 2: you're a psychopath and a murderer. And Newlanders stands up

1639
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:20,719
Speaker 2: to leave, walks a few steps away, then turns back

1640
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 2: and says, well, nobody's perfect. Ew fucking creep ew uh

1641
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:31,719
Speaker 2: huh can you imagine your response? Still in your house?

1642
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 2: And that's what he says to I think you killed

1643
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 2: your wife, so I don't want to hang out with

1644
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 2: you anymore.

1645
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:37,440
Speaker 1: And you're a psychopath.

1646
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 2: You're a psychopath.

1647
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 1: Like if someone called me a psychopath, it would ruin me.

1648
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 1: I'd be like, am I no I'm not.

1649
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 2: I know that'd be very hurtful. Yeah, most people would.

1650
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,759
Speaker 2: What also a doctor a doctor, a doctor.

1651
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't argue with it. And he didn't get

1652
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 1: his degree from Phoenix.

1653
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:57,719
Speaker 2: No, I bet you that was a real Cherry Hill doctor.

1654
01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 1: He got his associates from Phoenix. But then he might

1655
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 1: he actually got a cosmetology degree because he was interested

1656
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 1: in stuff like that. And then he was like, no,

1657
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 1: I like medicine. Yeah, I don't like cutting hair, like

1658
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:07,799
Speaker 1: cutting people.

1659
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow yeah, fu shit, that's the rabbi.

1660
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 1: That was a good story though. Okay, thanks good because

1661
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 1: I really did have it written on nine different pieces

1662
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 1: of paper. You went after me though, too. Okay, we're back, Karen.

1663
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:30,679
Speaker 1: This story gets brought up with people I meet randomly

1664
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 1: more than any other story. I think I just meet

1665
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 1: so many people from Cherry Hill, New Jersey. Have you

1666
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 1: noticed that in your life? It seems like everybody's from

1667
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 1: Cherry Hill, New Jersey or the surrounding area for sure.

1668
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:47,719
Speaker 2: But also I think that the way and we could

1669
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:51,679
Speaker 2: credit this show City Confidential, There's so many places to credit,

1670
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 2: but the way this story lays out, where it's like

1671
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 2: someone starting to find bones in a backyard, and just like,

1672
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 2: it's so such a typical, horrifying true crime case that

1673
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 2: I think so many people just get into it where

1674
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 2: it's just like, oh my god, what's actually happening here.

1675
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 1: It's such a memorable case that I think anyone from

1676
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:16,440
Speaker 1: there around that time remembers a rabbi.

1677
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 2: He killed his wife. Yeah, was this?

1678
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 1: You know, It's just I've just it's just been brought

1679
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 1: up so many times in my life. But anyway, do

1680
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:24,560
Speaker 1: you have any updates?

1681
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 2: Yes, let's see. In twenty twenty four, eighty two year

1682
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 2: old Fred Newlander was found on responsive at his New

1683
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 2: Jersey prison after suffering a sudden medical emergency, and he

1684
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 2: died at the hospital not long after. In twenty twenty two,

1685
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 2: there was a musical inspired by this case that they

1686
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 2: put up here in La called A Wicked Soul and

1687
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:48,759
Speaker 2: Cherry Hill. The family was against this, though the rabbi's

1688
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 2: congregation was against it. It was a controversial thing, which

1689
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 2: makes perfect sense. Carol's Classic Cake Company is very much

1690
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 2: still in business now. It's just called Classic Cake and

1691
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 2: it officially reopened in May of twenty twenty four, four

1692
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 2: years after an electrical fire forced them to close that

1693
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 2: grand reopening took place at the Cherry Hill, New Jersey location,

1694
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 2: and there was a crowd of loyal customers there. If

1695
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 2: you want to buy a cake from there, just go

1696
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 2: to classictcake dot com and you can order a cake

1697
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 2: from there. Oh nice. Yeah.

1698
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:23,760
Speaker 1: I always feel like this somewhat personally responsible when I

1699
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: find out that a Jewish person is a killer. I

1700
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 1: feel like it's just this ooh god, damn it, why

1701
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 1: are you making.

1702
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 2: Us look bad?

1703
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 1: Kind of a thing, Like people don't like us already,

1704
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 1: you're making it worse.

1705
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 2: That's such a culturally Jewish thing for you to say,

1706
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 2: because it is like guilty about that. This is my

1707
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 2: fault somehow. I have a piece of this where it's like, no,

1708
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 2: you don't, I'm sorry we did that. It's like you

1709
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 2: have nothing to do with it, okay. But I also

1710
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 2: do think that because like especially rabbis, it's such a

1711
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 2: like very specific. There's small amount of people that do it.

1712
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 2: It's you know, obviously they're very dedicated. So it's just

1713
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 2: like this idea that we all think we know. Oh

1714
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 2: and I yes, it's Fiddler on the Roof inspired, but

1715
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 2: it's like we think we know what this means. To

1716
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 2: be a rabbit, you know what I mean, to be

1717
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 2: a religious person and all of this that then this

1718
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,560
Speaker 2: turn is so like, oh, you're not allowed to be

1719
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 2: that way. And it's like, of course there's a dark

1720
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:19,599
Speaker 2: side to everybody. There's a something else going on. You know.

1721
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:21,559
Speaker 2: Those are the people that hide, are the people that

1722
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 2: have these like overtly spiritual lives. It's totally I don't know. Yeah,

1723
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 2: it's creepy.

1724
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 1: I tried to get you off the hook there, but

1725
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:30,720
Speaker 1: I think it was words that. It was kind of

1726
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 1: word sality.

1727
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 2: No, it's good, it's good, you're right.

1728
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 1: All right, let's go back in and we'll listen to

1729
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 1: our good thoughts of the week from twenty seventeen.

1730
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 2: What were they? What were we thinking? So we can

1731
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 2: leave on us slightly. Oh yeah, we should talk about

1732
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 2: a positive a thing we like, Yeah, a thing that

1733
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 2: made us happy. Well, I would say, let's see mine.

1734
01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 2: I have been on the couch a lot since we've

1735
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:00,839
Speaker 2: got from Portland.

1736
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it takes a lot out of you, it

1737
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 1: really does.

1738
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 2: But then also once I get on the couch, I

1739
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 2: have a real hard time getting back off, Like it's

1740
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 2: just so much easier to stay there. It is what

1741
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 2: are you watching Modern Family? Oh? Yeah, I t vowed

1742
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 2: Modern Family and it is just such a It's such

1743
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 2: a well written show. It's such a good joke. The

1744
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 2: characters are so watchable and likable. I'm so in love

1745
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 2: with Cam of Mitchell and Cam, the two gay guys.

1746
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 2: It's he's just the best character. It's like it but

1747
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 2: all of them, they're just so many good jokes. And

1748
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 2: that's the thing is, it's TV. Writing is very hard,

1749
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 2: and they're there. They have been delivering like a plus

1750
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 2: grade comedy for like ten years. Yeah. I mean all

1751
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 2: I did was enter it and immediately I'd like fifteen

1752
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 2: episodes of Modern Family. And I got it from my sister.

1753
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 2: I will give her full credit because she's been obsessed

1754
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 2: with it since the moment it came out. And that's

1755
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 2: why I have a song where I friend's Modern Family

1756
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:03,839
Speaker 2: where I say in this song, if one more person

1757
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,520
Speaker 2: tells me to watch Modern Family, oh blah blah blah,

1758
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 2: And a lot of people are like, oh, you hate

1759
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 2: that show. It's like no, no, no, I'm just taking

1760
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 2: that from a real anecdote of me and my sister,

1761
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 2: Like every time I talk to my sister on the phone,

1762
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 2: she would tell me to watch it. I watched it

1763
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 2: in the beginning and then I stopped. It's still good.

1764
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Yeah, it's just it's just perfectly written. Yeah. That,

1765
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 2: and I've been having great lift driver conversations.

1766
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 1: Like, oh, that's nice because you always gets scared. I

1767
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 1: always get scared that. It's like I had a nightmare

1768
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:38,600
Speaker 1: one the other day, and I'm a nightmare person. A

1769
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:41,600
Speaker 1: nightmare conversationists, which means he was just talking at me

1770
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 1: and I was getting car sick from it.

1771
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:46,640
Speaker 2: And you go, do duty. Ear pop, Yeah, earbugs.

1772
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's the sweet one.

1773
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's it's been pretty pleasant, but I really I

1774
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 2: have to get a car. It's ridiculous. I'm acting like

1775
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 2: miss Daisy. But it's nice sometimes to have like a

1776
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:02,879
Speaker 2: pleasant cover station where you laugh about how bad drivers

1777
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 2: in LA are. Yeah. Yeah, what's yours?

1778
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 1: Well, I guess I just finished watching it yesterday. But

1779
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 1: Big Little Eyes, oh yeah, which I didn't think I

1780
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:18,839
Speaker 1: would like. I never read the book, even though Audible

1781
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:20,720
Speaker 1: was always like you might like this, you might like this,

1782
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, I won't, you know, like a

1783
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 1: brash sure, and yeah, I don't like that from Oprah's

1784
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 1: Book Club. That's the kind of you know. And then

1785
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 1: of course it's fucking amazing and the show is so good,

1786
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: and it was all these female characters that were that

1787
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:40,679
Speaker 1: their whole lives weren't based on They had these whole

1788
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 1: lives around their husbands and families, and they were central

1789
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 1: characters instead of being the backup singers to them, you know,

1790
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 1: and it was just like about them. It was about

1791
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 1: them and their co star in life was their partner,

1792
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 1: and it was just kind of cool. And the acting

1793
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 1: was so fucking good and shy Woodlee what's her name,

1794
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:04,639
Speaker 1: Shyleen Jayleen. Yeah, she's just like I want. She's such

1795
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:06,840
Speaker 1: a great she's so great in it, and it was

1796
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:09,559
Speaker 1: it was really funny. It was fucked up and good.

1797
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:10,679
Speaker 1: And there's a murder and.

1798
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 2: It's a murder mystery. Oh okay, I didn't know that

1799
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 2: because I tried to watch the first I swear to god,

1800
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 2: I don't think I got four minutes in. And the

1801
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 2: first exchange two women had talking to each other, the

1802
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,880
Speaker 2: tones of voice they were using made me turn my

1803
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 2: TV off because it was like, oh, hi, Arlene, nice

1804
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 2: to see or whatever.

1805
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 1: Well, there's like they all come out as like kunti cunts.

1806
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 2: Oh okay, and then it's like, but there's shit going

1807
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 2: on underneath the surface. Oh, I'm going back, and it's

1808
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 2: a it's the whole thing is a murder mystery. Oh shit,

1809
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 2: it's and it's good and everyone is having these. The

1810
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 2: Nicole Kidman and Alexander Sarsgard relationship.

1811
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 1: Was amazing cool, Like you just need to watch it

1812
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:51,760
Speaker 1: to see the two of them.

1813
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 2: Nicole Goidman takes a lot of shit, but she's an

1814
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:56,479
Speaker 2: incredible action.

1815
01:34:56,920 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 1: They're gonna win all the awards for Henries Withersman. I think,

1816
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 1: are you gonna win it all?

1817
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 2: I sent my friend a gift the other day of

1818
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 2: remember when she was clapping at the Oscars. Yes, someone

1819
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,400
Speaker 2: made that, and I can't figure out if someone did

1820
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:11,599
Speaker 2: this to the gift or if this is really what

1821
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 2: it looked like.

1822
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 1: But it looks like her fingers are this like it.

1823
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 1: She looks like she has alien fingers.

1824
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 2: As she's classed.

1825
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 1: I think that's real.

1826
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 2: Is it what her fans really look like?

1827
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I saw that too, and I think

1828
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:24,360
Speaker 1: it's real.

1829
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 2: We were laughing. I was laughing anyway when I found it.

1830
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:30,400
Speaker 2: Because she it looks it looks like flippers.

1831
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:32,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like her nails are wet and she's

1832
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 1: trying not to let them near each other.

1833
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:39,439
Speaker 2: But also that she's from Mars. Yeah that aside, that's

1834
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 2: me giving her shit when I say she takes a

1835
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 2: lot of shit. But she for example, when she started

1836
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 2: acting in fucking those Australian you know, I'm the pretty

1837
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:52,240
Speaker 2: girl at the prep school, she has been an incredible

1838
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:54,600
Speaker 2: Did you ever see dead Calm or she's on the

1839
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 2: boat m m oh my god. If you want to

1840
01:35:57,080 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 2: see like an amazing murder, like it's ale, not horror.

1841
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 2: I guess it would be suspense or something action. But

1842
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 2: it's her and Sam Neil I think, and somebody else

1843
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,760
Speaker 2: they're on a boat. It's so good and she's like

1844
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 2: it's when she had her kinky, curly hair and she

1845
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 2: had her freckles and she was probably twenty and she's so.

1846
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 1: Beyond Yeah, she's gorgeous. Yeah, and she still is to

1847
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:24,759
Speaker 1: this day. They all play these wealthy, these wealthy women

1848
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 1: from Monterey and everyone has these secrets underneath kind of

1849
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 1: a thing, and it's there's some you know, it's good.

1850
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm going back.

1851
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:34,439
Speaker 2: Fine, this is a you need it.

1852
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 1: I was bummed that I didn't binge watch it because

1853
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:38,880
Speaker 1: I had to wait a week to watch the new one.

1854
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 2: So get in there, go binj. Yeah.

1855
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:43,599
Speaker 1: Also, Adam Scott's in it. Who I adore Adam Scott's

1856
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 1: in it. He plays a really great character. He's fun.

1857
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:47,400
Speaker 2: Okay.

1858
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good rat. Yeah for sure. So that

1859
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:57,639
Speaker 1: made me happy this week. Anything else we need a oh?

1860
01:36:57,680 --> 01:37:00,719
Speaker 2: I think that we said last episode was like sixty

1861
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 2: Sky said it was like sixty seven, and it was

1862
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 2: sixty two or something. I was off by a lot.

1863
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:07,320
Speaker 2: What's the numbers?

1864
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:09,679
Speaker 3: Said this is sixty three, but.

1865
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:11,280
Speaker 2: Didn't last week I say it was like.

1866
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 1: Sixty six seven seven? I mean, who cares.

1867
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:16,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're up there in past fifty.

1868
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:18,720
Speaker 1: It's not like someone was setting their watch by like,

1869
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 1: oh shit, it's Dartie. I said, I was going to

1870
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 1: do this thing in my life before sixty seven happened.

1871
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 2: And now I talk, they're like, you know what, I'm

1872
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 2: going to stop smoking around episode sixty seven. Yeah, and

1873
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:36,879
Speaker 2: if I haven't, then I am going to start smoking. Okay,

1874
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 2: and we're back. Okay. So this episode was actually originally

1875
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:45,280
Speaker 2: titled Steven's tuxedo genius. I mean it kind of almost

1876
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,720
Speaker 2: makes you think that Stephen is a tuxedo cat, a

1877
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 2: little black and white cat. That's what it means to me. Think, Yeah,

1878
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 2: I picture those like tux seed of T shirts from

1879
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 2: the eighties on him.

1880
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 1: Well, if we were naming it today, there's many choices

1881
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 1: for a to rename it. What about like, for example,

1882
01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 1: what if we called it what about the trouble about

1883
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 1: that Las Vegas DJ Stephen.

1884
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:15,960
Speaker 2: Or You're welcome Ben Mendelssohn where we're actually casting the

1885
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 2: Lifetime movie of course. And then I like this one.

1886
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 2: It's me Pam. That's right. I forgot about my character

1887
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 2: Pam that used to come up all the time. I did,

1888
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:33,000
Speaker 2: we should bring her back? Ram back? Did we use

1889
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 2: Pam in the ten foot Skeleton? Maybe we had to

1890
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:39,559
Speaker 2: retire it because that's the most famous Pam? Or was

1891
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 2: that deb? I think you're right.

1892
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 1: Maybe it was Pam or deb or?

1893
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:46,240
Speaker 2: Someone? Has this all been real? It's a ten year

1894
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:48,320
Speaker 2: fy adieu, my god.

1895
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:50,400
Speaker 1: Well, thank you guys for listening to another episode of

1896
01:38:50,479 --> 01:39:00,719
Speaker 1: rewind Let's let Elvis and Mimi say goodbye? Where's Elvis? Well,

1897
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 1: you guys, thank you for listening, Tell a friend, guys,

1898
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:06,679
Speaker 1: thank you for everything you are. You are our light

1899
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:13,519
Speaker 1: and our honor honors system and heart and soul an

1900
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:15,800
Speaker 1: honor system and.

1901
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 2: Mostly your our honor system. Yeah, if you take a penny,

1902
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:22,759
Speaker 2: you leave a penny in our hearts. You've left a penny,

1903
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:26,160
Speaker 2: You left a penny in my heart. Don't I'll put

1904
01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:32,720
Speaker 2: a nickel in yours. Motherfuck, you're gonna double down. Well,

1905
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:36,639
Speaker 2: thanks for listening. I don't need, I don't know. Thank

1906
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:41,600
Speaker 2: you for listening. Thank you for everything. You want to

1907
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:42,639
Speaker 2: come and make her debut.

1908
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:43,439
Speaker 1: Maybe she does.

1909
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:46,840
Speaker 2: I mean her triple her triple appearance. Yeah, third times

1910
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:50,160
Speaker 2: a charm MEMI stay sexy everybody, and don't get murdered.

1911
01:39:50,720 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 1: Me bye bye, quickie me me me. It's cute.

1912
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:02,519
Speaker 2: She's the nicole Kidman of cats.

1913
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:06,240
Speaker 5: I mean, what cookie cookie?

1914
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:11,559
Speaker 2: Okay, oh Elvis here he is my cookie.

1915
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:16,280
Speaker 4: Yeah,