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Speaker 2: Here's this week's episode.

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Speaker 3: Welcome In. Welcome In. It's a Late Round Fantasy Football Show,

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Speaker 3: offseason edition. Episode one really of the off season edition, JJ,

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Speaker 3: how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I get to I get to wear a hat forward,

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Speaker 1: which doesn't happen frequently because it's it's it's large enough

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Speaker 1: to uh to.

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Speaker 2: Be able to wear forward. But I'm wearing my super

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Speaker 2: Bowl Dad hat.

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Speaker 3: You know, I can't believe I did not wear my

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Speaker 3: super Bowl hat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's kind of that's kind of wrong, right.

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Speaker 3: It is rude. Yes, I should have done that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I I did realize after I bought the hat.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you realize this too. We're kind of like

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Speaker 1: Rob Low. You know that the Robb Low meme where

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Speaker 1: he was in the stands wearing the NFL ut.

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Speaker 3: I got no, it's it's that would be just the

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Speaker 3: NFL hat. I did get an NFL draft hat in

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Speaker 3: Nashville when the draft came, he went, yeah, because I went,

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Speaker 3: It's like and I got like a cool super Bowl

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Speaker 3: hat where like the super Bowl logo is really small,

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Speaker 3: but there's like some writing on the side, but it's

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Speaker 3: just like if you didn't know it, you just say, oh,

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Speaker 3: that guy is a cool guy, and then if you

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Speaker 3: look closer, you'd be like, oh, that guy is a

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Speaker 3: cool guy who went to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I I got like just the loudest possible, which.

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Speaker 3: I like, but for audio listeners, my logo is like

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Speaker 3: an inch by an inch, like it's like one square inch.

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Speaker 3: JJ's it's a billboard on top of his hat, which

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Speaker 3: is like this style.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was kind of funny.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, like because because we got back on

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Speaker 1: Thursday from the trip and then I went and picked

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Speaker 1: and I'm walking in and I'm wearing this hat. And

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Speaker 1: how like, from from like another parent's point of view,

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Speaker 1: like someone just wearing the upcoming Super Bowls hat had

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Speaker 1: to have been kind of weird. I mean, it's objectively

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Speaker 3: Did think if they like recognized the logo and I mean,

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Speaker 3: you've got it. Mine's just black and white, yours you

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Speaker 3: are in full technic color. My friend.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of the things that we bought, So, so Kitchen

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Speaker 1: and I got our got some gear from the official

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Speaker 1: shop whenever we were there. Not cheap, but we got

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Speaker 1: you know what, the thing that that my kids like

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Speaker 1: that we got at that one random you remember that

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Speaker 1: Trolley like a wooden kind of a wooden like it

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Speaker 1: was like a ten dollars trolley. Yeah, and he keeps

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Speaker 3: The thing I got for my kids that they have

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Speaker 3: proud of myself getting it stuffed into the U into

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Speaker 3: the carry on. Because a little bit behind the scenes,

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Speaker 3: JJ text me, we were supposed to leave at like

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Speaker 3: So I'm just getting out of the shower, like I

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Speaker 3: But it worked out. It worked out for me at least. JJ.

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Speaker 3: Your ride was a little nauseous.

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Speaker 2: Uh, My ride wasn't It wasn't you know?

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Speaker 1: I didn't turn my light on over here. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I talk about this. No, I just had the most

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Speaker 1: how what what kind of businesses Magic Johnson has, Like

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Speaker 2: He had to get back in. He tried to run

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Speaker 1: He was telling me all these crazy stories, but then

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Speaker 3: I had the nicest old man in a brand new

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Speaker 1: I liked talking to drivers and stuff like it's fun,

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Speaker 3: So he was like, you know, he motioned that he

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Speaker 1: And then he's telling me about these stories about this

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Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm like, bro, look had some Tito's

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Speaker 3: Other than that, it was a great trip. Shout out

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Speaker 1: just like transparently there there aren't many fantasy shows there

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Speaker 1: You know, like from between the athletes themselves, the people

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Speaker 1: It was a moment where I'm like, why, why am

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Speaker 1: And then there was the the note that so Walker

440
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,600
Speaker 1: had that drop you know early on in the game. Yes,

441
00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:03,280
Speaker 1: and Chris Collinsworth made the comment on he was yeah, yeah,

442
00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 1: And naturally someone flooded my mentions and was like, you know,

443
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,600
Speaker 1: saying that I also have said that he's a bad receiver.

444
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,520
Speaker 1: I've never said that he's a bad receiving back, you guys.

445
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,680
Speaker 1: I said that as a prospect. I questioned how much

446
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 1: receiving work he was going to see based on trends

447
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 1: that we've seen in the data historically. And guess what,

448
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,400
Speaker 1: he's been under a ten percent target share in three

449
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,400
Speaker 1: or four seasons. Like, I think that was pretty much

450
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,159
Speaker 1: on point. It's just that when Ryan Grubb was there,

451
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 1: he had that spiked target share season.

452
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,120
Speaker 2: It's just the way they deploy him.

453
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 1: Like I think that with the receiving back stuff. And

454
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 1: I know that I'm ranting and going in a different

455
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 1: direction here, but the receiving back stuff.

456
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,200
Speaker 2: Another thing I say often is that with prospecting and.

457
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Speaker 1: With with the capabilities of these guys, to ninety five

458
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,240
Speaker 1: percent of running backs can do the basic stuff that

459
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 1: they need to do from a receiving standpoint. At the

460
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 1: position right, and then you get like that upper ninety

461
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 1: fifth percentile and greater type player, which is you know,

462
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,959
Speaker 1: Chris McCaffrey, et cetera, who can line up in the slot.

463
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 1: You can use them like all over the formation. And

464
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 1: then there's the Gus Edwards of the world who you know,

465
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 1: Gus Edward's cautching strays on today's show. But you know

466
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 1: there's the Gus Edwards of the world who who just

467
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,440
Speaker 1: don't do that. They they they don't even function on

468
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 1: swing passes and they can't do those things very well.

469
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker's just in that giant range like he's capable.

470
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 1: He you know, has has had some I remember that

471
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 1: one game against Atlanta last year.

472
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,360
Speaker 2: He had a really good receiving game and some really

473
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 2: nice catches. He's capable, but.

474
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Speaker 1: He's not that ninety fifth percentile or better type running back.

475
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,719
Speaker 1: You're not lining up Kenneth Walker in the slot, and

476
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 1: part of that is because he is really good on

477
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: the ground and you want to save his body for

478
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 1: some of those ground game touches. But in fantasy football,

479
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 1: we're projecting that usage, and that usage at.

480
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 2: Receiving is very very important for fantasy scoring, and so.

481
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to look at like, not the not only

482
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: is the is he able to do this question?

483
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 2: I'm asking the will he do this? Because the will

484
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 2: he do this.

485
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Speaker 1: Is what's most important from a fantasy perspective and being

486
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: a fantasy anamalist. So that's my general rant about, like,

487
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, these guys playing in these one game samples

488
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: and what we take away from them, look at the

489
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 1: larger sample and don't just make these really strong opinions

490
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 1: based on what you see in sixty minutes or you know,

491
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: four hours during the Super Bowl, because it's just not

492
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: going to serve you well long term.

493
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Speaker 3: The gust bus having a drive by by JJ.

494
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Speaker 2: Sorry buddy, rant.

495
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 3: All right to the next item. They've been Joku pens

496
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 3: a farewell on social media to the Browns saying that say,

497
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,479
Speaker 3: he's not going to be back in Cleveland. Who's to

498
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 3: blame him?

499
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 2: JJ, Who's to what?

500
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 3: Who's to blame him?

501
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 2: Oh? For one out of Cleveland?

502
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 3: Want and get out of Cleveland.

503
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that, you know, it's Harold

504
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: Fannon's time. Very happy for Harold Fannon's mom of course

505
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 1: with this news. But yeah, I mean I think at Djoku,

506
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: what I've seen from him, not just through the spreadsheets,

507
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: but I think that we've seen a little bit of

508
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: his athletics loss. And this is part of the problem

509
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 1: that you have when you know at tight end or

510
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: in general, like we see it with some wide receivers,

511
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: where when when their athleticism is what wins, you can

512
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: sometimes see a pretty strict drop off.

513
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 3: Right.

514
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's necessarily going to happen with David Njoku,

515
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: but I'm fearful of that happening. You know that that

516
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: we could just see this like wall hit for him

517
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you know, he's not

518
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: He's not very viable anymore.

519
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 2: But he's a freak. So I'm not gonna I'm not

520
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: gonna say never.

521
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,239
Speaker 1: I know that a lot of people are matching him

522
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: to the Falcons because Kyle Pitts is a free agent.

523
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski now head coach there, wouldn't be shocked if

524
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: something like that happened. But you know, I think from

525
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: like a target share standpoint, Kyle Pitts probably commands a

526
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: higher target shair at this point in their careers than

527
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: David Njoku does.

528
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're saying that Pitts's might be franchise tag.

529
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 3: And that's like when I was looking for some of

530
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: the news, there's just a lot of opinions out there about, yeah,

531
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 3: what the team should do, what they could do, and

532
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 3: where players should go, where players are rumored towards. So

533
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 3: lots of that stuff out there, not exactly news. But

534
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 3: when someone pins a farewell saying that they're not coming back, yeah.

535
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: That's usually a sign that's similar.

536
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: Like Rashad White on Instagram was saying a lot of

537
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: stuff about not being back in Tampa Bay. We should

538
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: probably say with like ninety five percent certainty that they're

539
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: not gonna be back.

540
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 3: Yes, if did you see Zach Robinson say that of

541
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 3: Bucky Irving, Bucky Irving was gonna basically assume a Bijon

542
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 3: type role.

543
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: I mean, but this is the thing to again coaching decisions, right,

544
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: Like Bucky Irving.

545
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 2: You got, first off, Rashot White's a good pass catcher

546
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:37,239
Speaker 2: like you.

547
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: Like you can argue that he's bad between the tackles,

548
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 1: and I would agree with you, but he's a good

549
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: pass catcher, and I think that obviously limited Bucky Irving.

550
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: And the interesting thing is that they then kind of

551
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: use Bucky Irving as in that early down role with

552
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: Rashad White there, and so like Bucky Irving as a

553
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: prospect was a pass catching prospect. Like the fact that

554
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: he has handled as much work on the ground as

555
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 1: he has so far in his career is a little

556
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: bit surprising to me as someone who wasn't like, you know,

557
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: jumping for joy about Bucky Irving as a prospect. Now

558
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: the model fortunately in the last couple of years, as

559
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: I've iterated, and Bucky's not even part of this testing set,

560
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: so it has nothing to do with him, but it's

561
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: liked Bucky Irving a little bit more. But even still

562
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,479
Speaker 1: Bucky Irving came out this year, it would like Irving,

563
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: or it would be fine with Irving, but it wouldn't.

564
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: It wouldn't like, you know, be saying that he's like

565
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: a low risk profile or anything like that. And so

566
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that you have a situation where the

567
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: new OC is excited about what he can do as

568
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 1: a receiver and as a passcutter, because that's what he

569
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: did an organ like that.

570
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: That's that's what his profile looked like.

571
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: And then I'll say this again, you know I had

572
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: Sean Tucker as a by candidate as long as they

573
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: do keep.

574
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 2: Him around because he's restricted.

575
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: But that tandem actually makes a lot of sense Sean

576
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: Tucker and Bucky Irving if yea, they use Irving and

577
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: sort of that like Bijon light kind of role where

578
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 1: a lot of receiving work, maybe not as much work

579
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: on the ground, and then Tyler Algier would be the

580
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: the you know, Sean Tucker would be the Tyler Algier

581
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: in that backfield hypothetically. So you know, I know it's

582
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: only been a year for you know, Zach Robinson wasn't

583
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: in the a couple of years how long Zach Robinson

584
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: was in Atlanta?

585
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: But was it two years that he was there?

586
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: I can't even remember, yes, But like you know, so

587
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: we can't just be like, oh, he's the one who

588
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: made it, like Tyler Algier was the thing when Arthur

589
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: Smith was there. But what I'm saying is is that

590
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: I do think that that kind of like idea makes

591
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: sense with the backfield in Tampa Bay right now.

592
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 3: Okay, JJ, the Combine list just came out, your big

593
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 3: gift because you were always like, when's the Combine list

594
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 3: coming out? Because for those that do not know. The

595
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 3: Prospect Guide in the past has featured running backs and

596
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 3: wide receivers invited to the Combine. This is why Bill

597
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 3: Krosskey Merritt last year he does not have a light

598
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 3: round prospect profile, you know, in the guide because he

599
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 3: wasn't Yeah, because he wasn't invited into to the combine.

600
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we got the So a little bit of

601
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: behind the scenes with how this all comes together. I

602
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 1: have not written a single prospect profile yet, okay, And

603
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: this is not uncommon for me, because I wait until

604
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: we get a lot of this information from the Combine.

605
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, this Combine list used to come out like

606
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: a week and a half earlier than it does now.

607
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: And so what I've been doing is kind of cranking

608
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,239
Speaker 1: on the year two profiles I started. I finished all

609
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: the wide receivers. I'm starting on the running back. You know,

610
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: there's like fourteen of them. So I'll hopefully get those

611
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: done over the next couple of days because I'm just

612
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: this time here, I'm just working a lot, like I'll

613
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: just do it when everyone goes to bed, I'll come

614
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: and open my laptop and start writing. But when it

615
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: comes to the prospects stuff, yeah, we profile every single

616
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: running back, wide receiver, and now tight end.

617
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: Godula is going to be doing a lot.

618
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: Of the heavy lifting with the tight end stuff with

619
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: my oversight and then with the running backs and wide receivers.

620
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 2: The thing that is honestly the most daunting.

621
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: You know, the research is fun, the research, and like

622
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: seeing the journey that these guys went down, and like

623
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: the schools they played for, and like understanding their stories more.

624
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: I enjoyed that because then I can go on other

625
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: shows and like talk about them more deeply as prospects.

626
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: But the difficult thing, and the annoying not difficult, The

627
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: annoying thing is that a lot, especially now with nil

628
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: and transfer rules the way they are, these players play

629
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: for small schools that aren't on you know, part of

630
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: databases that you would find online very easily. So they

631
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: play for smaller schools. They play for a lot of

632
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: different schools and and some you know, it's just very convoluted,

633
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: and so when I'm researching each player, I have to

634
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: see where they played, like they might have played at a

635
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: D two school or or something like that, and it

636
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: all gets adjusted within the model from from a team

637
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: strength of schedule standpoint. But I am adding manually doing

638
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: data entry, and I know someone's gonna email me and

639
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: be like, hey, hey, I got.

640
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: Someone who can do data entry for you.

641
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, but no, I I do this because it's

642
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: just my process. And I think that a competitive advantage

643
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: that anyone out there who's doing prospecting work you can

644
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: have is by putting in the work and putting together

645
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: a database that actually has all of this stuff and

646
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: these like deeper prospects and like the schools that they

647
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: went to and stuff like that, because it gives you

648
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,719
Speaker 1: a more like robust way of looking at these prospects

649
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: that that you otherwise wouldn't have.

650
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: And so that's the hardest part.

651
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 1: So my goal is by the end of you know,

652
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: Friday ish, to not only finish the running back of

653
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: your two profiles, but then have everything set in the database,

654
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: because next week, uh, for the Late Round, for the

655
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: Late Round podcast, I am going to be doing the

656
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: players who performed like studs at either running back or

657
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: wide receiver. I don't know which ones first, but uh,

658
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Speaker 1: And that's all driven obviously by the model and by

659
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Speaker 1: what I'm seeing analytically. Only way I can do that

660
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Speaker 1: is if I have all of that data in there,

661
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Speaker 1: So it's a it's a little you know it it

662
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Speaker 1: I I enjoy it, you know.

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Speaker 2: I know so that I'm.

664
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Speaker 1: CEO and I'm supposed to be running this business, but like,

665
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Speaker 1: I like getting my hands dirty.

666
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Speaker 3: Man.

667
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: I like the grind of this prospect guy.

668
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: Every year. And then we get like a month off

669
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Speaker 1: of kind of being able to relax a little bit.

670
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Speaker 1: I'm doing some shows and you know, I'm not having

671
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Speaker 1: to like, you know, be in it the way that

672
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm in it right now. And then obviously the draft

673
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Speaker 1: happens and we try to turn the thing around very

674
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Speaker 1: quickly after the draft.

675
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I remember last year, base Shall Tutan was coming

676
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: around around this time because you he had played at

677
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Speaker 3: like I don't know it was it North Carolina A.

678
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Speaker 2: And T or something, so I think it was North Carolina,

679
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Speaker 2: Antia is so somewhere.

680
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Speaker 3: Like that and then went to Virginia Tech and then

681
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Speaker 3: and so you are having to to mess around with inputs.

682
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Speaker 3: But then hey, it's like, hey, this guy kind of

683
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Speaker 3: looks good. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, I remember, Yeah, the the players who produced like

685
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Speaker 1: Studs episode, bay Shall Tutan was was was named in

686
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Speaker 1: that and you know that was like mid February or whatever,

687
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, that's why, you know, I I do

688
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: kind of hate in the prospect and draft world how

689
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Speaker 1: like analysts and people care so deeply about like being

690
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Speaker 1: first on the player.

691
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: It's not really about being first.

692
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Speaker 1: It's just about like, in my opinion, like being right

693
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Speaker 1: at the right time, you know, like when do we

694
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Speaker 1: need to be on top of this, And usually it's

695
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Speaker 1: right after the NFL Draft, whenever you know, we we

696
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: we were doing our rookie drafts and stuff. But I

697
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Speaker 1: do think that from like a pre draft reading material standpoint,

698
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Speaker 1: we can start to become fans of players. And it's

699
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: fun whenever we get to see then where these guys

700
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Speaker 1: get drafted and see, you know, if they were drafted

701
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Speaker 1: higher than we thought, lower than we.

702
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Speaker 2: Thought the landing spot, and then we kind of.

703
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Speaker 1: Get to project how well are some of our favorite

704
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: guys pre draft are going to be in the NFL

705
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Speaker 1: and such. It's it's honestly my favorite time of year.

706
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Speaker 1: And I never thought that was gonna be the case

707
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Speaker 1: because I started prospecting a little bit later than people

708
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Speaker 1: would probably expect. I think it was like twenty seventeen

709
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Speaker 1: or so. But it's just so much fun, and it's

710
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Speaker 1: so much fun talking about this stuff.

711
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. And again you can go to light

712
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: round dot com and you can see the guides there

713
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: or you can purchase it. I know a guy who

714
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Speaker 3: really knows his Pan tone palettes. Yes, guess what I'm doing.

715
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Speaker 1: Actually, there's a lot of that right now, like actually yes, no,

716
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: actually yes, and trying to because with the more profiles,

717
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Speaker 1: ninety five profiles.

718
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Speaker 2: You got to code all the schools and their colors.

719
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know if I'm going to code it

720
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Speaker 3: or not. It might just be manual intrigue.

721
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Speaker 2: Yeah maybe.

722
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Speaker 3: Yeah. All right, with that being said, it's get today's.

723
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Speaker 2: Data, today's data.

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Speaker 3: Okay, JJ, what are we looking at here?

725
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the same thing that we've been doing

726
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: because we're doing way too early tight end rankings. I

727
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Speaker 1: did this for a quarterback, running back, and wide receiver,

728
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Speaker 1: just looking at last year's expected points based on ADP

729
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Speaker 1: for each guy and then the actual points of the difference.

730
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Speaker 1: So like Tucker Craft was the best value if you will,

731
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Speaker 1: which I don't agree with because obviously he didn't play

732
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Speaker 1: the full season. This is on a points per game basis,

733
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Speaker 1: so you got to take some of this with a

734
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Speaker 1: grain of salt, but Tucker Craft outperformed ADP expectation by

735
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Speaker 1: five point one PPR points per game.

736
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Speaker 2: Trey mc ride next, Harold.

737
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Speaker 1: Fannin Dallas Goddard, who I had a ton of Dallas

738
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Speaker 1: Goddard this year in Best Ball, Like a lot of

739
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Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard.

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Speaker 2: So I was pretty happy with that.

741
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Speaker 1: That was mostly because I was buying into the the

742
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Speaker 1: Eagles passing attack, and.

743
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Speaker 2: You know, at least I got got it right, right guys, right.

744
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, uh, you know, Juwan Johnson was

745
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: a good pick, Kyle Pitts, Dalton Schultz was a surprise,

746
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Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of veterans aside from from

747
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Speaker 1: Harold Fann and on that list.

748
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Speaker 2: And then when you.

749
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Speaker 1: Look at the flip side, a lot of this is

750
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Speaker 1: just the way that this formula and this curve is created.

751
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Speaker 1: Is that when you're like a one hundred and twentieth

752
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Speaker 1: overall pick and you just end up doing nothing, you

753
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Speaker 1: know you're gonna look bad within this metric. You know,

754
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Speaker 1: obviously people are drafting you or that player because of

755
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Speaker 1: upside and.

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Speaker 2: For for for that intrigues.

757
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Speaker 1: So like Terrence Ferguson, for instance, was a pure let's

758
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Speaker 1: just see what he does kind of pick, or you know,

759
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Speaker 1: someone like I guess Jatavian Sanders even to a degree

760
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Speaker 1: would be would be pretty similar to that. But you

761
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Speaker 1: know the guys who made this list that were you know,

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Speaker 1: if you draft after them in the in the late

763
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Speaker 1: single digit rounds or into the double digit rounds, that

764
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Speaker 1: that you definitely felt it. Mark Andrews, you know, David

765
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Speaker 1: and Joku John new Smith before and after he got traded. Uh,

766
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Speaker 1: you know, Isaiah likely ended up being a pretty bad

767
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Speaker 1: but t J. Hockinson was a horrible pick. Evan Ingram

768
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Speaker 1: was a really bad pick, and then the worst one

769
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Speaker 1: ended up being Tyler Conkland conk Daddy. He Uh that

770
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Speaker 1: was that was all because the Chargers stuff and him

771
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Speaker 1: just being elevated to a point where, look, his his

772
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Speaker 1: expectation was seven points per game, so it wasn't very high,

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Speaker 1: but he was being elevated to a point in the

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Speaker 1: draft where he was being drafted and obviously he wasn't

775
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Speaker 1: even I mean, well, Disley I would imagine scored more

776
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Speaker 1: points than him this year. And then uh, you know

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Speaker 1: you had Arondez Gatston breaking out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Gatson was a guy that luckily we were focused on.

779
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean Gatston too. I didn't even go

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Speaker 1: on a rant. I could have gone on with the

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Speaker 1: with the Prospect Guide, but Gatson's Gatson's not on this

782
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Speaker 1: list because he didn't have an ADP.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't he wasn't draft.

784
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Speaker 1: So I don't I I because of that, you just

785
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Speaker 1: you don't know what the expectation necessarily would be.

786
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Speaker 2: Uh, but yeah, he would.

787
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Speaker 1: He would be outperforming, you know, a Hunter Henry type

788
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Speaker 1: more than likely based on that.

789
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Speaker 2: All right, what's the late round main event?

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Speaker 3: All right? JJ, these are the way too early top

791
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Speaker 3: ten tight end rankings.

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Speaker 2: Come on, say it, say it. You're gonna hold me

793
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Speaker 2: to it.

794
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Speaker 3: For twenty twenty six, We're gonna hold you to it.

795
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Speaker 3: These are they might be way too early, but listen,

796
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Speaker 3: you're on the hook for whatever happens there we go

797
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Speaker 3: from here.

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Speaker 2: For number one tight end is Harold Phitton. I'm just kidding.

799
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Speaker 2: It's trami.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

801
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Speaker 1: Trey McBride's the obvious top tight end target chairs of

802
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: twenty seven nine percent over the last two years.

803
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Speaker 2: He hadn't here.

804
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Speaker 1: Here's the one thing I will say, which is very

805
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: funny to say, but we're probably gonna see some regression

806
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Speaker 1: from Trey McBride in the touchdown column, like not favorable

807
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: regression like we've seen in the past, where we're like,

808
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Speaker 1: surely he's gonna score more touchdowns what he did this

809
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: last year. He had nineteen end zone targets this past year,

810
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: when he had fifteen the previous two seasons combined. So

811
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Speaker 1: those are targets in the actual end zone, which are very,

812
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Speaker 1: very favorable for conversion in scoring touchdowns. So if a guy,

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Speaker 1: you know, Devanta Adams obviously would get a lot because

814
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Speaker 1: he was you know, basically their goal line back for

815
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Speaker 1: half the season, and those those types of targets convert,

816
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Speaker 1: as you'd guess, at a pretty good rate. Arizona also

817
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: led the NFL and passed right over expected. I talked

818
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Speaker 1: about this with Michael Wilson on The Cell Candidates Show

819
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Speaker 1: earlier this week, So there's gonna be some regression there

820
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Speaker 1: as well. But look, I feel pretty good about Lafleur

821
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Speaker 1: now being their head coach. You know, the one interesting

822
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Speaker 1: thing is going to be how does he take what

823
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Speaker 1: the Rams did in twenty twenty five from a heavy

824
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Speaker 1: personnel standpoint and translate that to this Cardinals team, well,

825
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: this Cardinals team is probably built for something like that

826
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Speaker 1: because they do have Trey McBride. They actually have some

827
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Speaker 1: other tight ends in there too that that aren't horrible.

828
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Speaker 1: And so, uh, I think that we're going to see

829
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Speaker 1: a pretty heavy system there and that that'll probably end

830
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Speaker 1: up being okay for trade McBride.

831
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Speaker 3: Lso says, crazy that McBride went from no touchdowns to

832
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Speaker 3: having a projected touchdown regression.

833
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: It's crazy. It's crazy.

834
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Speaker 3: It's almost like JJ something happened last year to me.

835
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Speaker 1: I mean, well, that's the other piece of this too,

836
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Speaker 1: like we're probably not going to feel as bullish off

837
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray as their starter next year, which I don't

838
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: know where things are going with him, and that, like

839
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Speaker 1: the trade that has to have, I have no idea,

840
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: but we'll, you know, play by year a little bit.

841
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Speaker 3: And we're doing the list you got Brock Bowers.

842
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's there's likely going to be a

843
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback for them this year, and I feel okay

844
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: about that. You know, historically, when you look at ADP

845
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Speaker 1: expectation and how well positions outperform that expectation when they

846
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: have rookie quarterbacks. We should worry about that a little

847
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: bit more for wide receivers than tight ends.

848
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: That's just based on how the market has reacted.

849
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: But brock Bauers twenty four, twenty six percent targets in

850
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Speaker 1: this first two years.

851
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: You know, last year was a down year. Everyone's like, oh,

852
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: he was terrible. You know, I do think that that

853
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: one monster game he had is doing some heavy.

854
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: Lifting, especially when you look at ADP expectation versus how

855
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: he actually performed. But he only underperformed expectation by like

856
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: one and a half pper points per game, just because

857
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 1: expectation is a little bit lower for tight ends in general.

858
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: But he still had a one point seven yards per

859
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: out run rate. Like, that's not bad, that's not a

860
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 1: it's not a horrible number. I'm just gonna trust Klink

861
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 1: Kubiak here Seattle. Here's the other thing with Clink Kubiak

862
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: Seattle in New Orleans. His last two stops they were

863
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: bottom four and eleven personnel usage, So not a lot

864
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: of three wide receiver sets in this Clint Kubiak offense.

865
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Speaker 1: We know that he can scheme guys open, really fun

866
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: run scheme that he runs that that I think Ashon

867
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: gent should be fine in but that's going to open

868
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: things up as well for brock Bauers to probably be okay,

869
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: even if he has a rookie quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he will have a rookie quarterback, strapping

871
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 3: young man, Heisman Trophy winning.

872
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well spoken young man, well spoken young man.

873
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: Yes, Colston Loveland in at number three.

874
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: Do you think this is controverty, I mean, this feels

875
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: like this will probably end up being no, especially if.

876
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: People listen to your podcasts. Yeah, so this week, I

877
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 3: mean yeah, as far as like you, you are focused

878
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: on Colston Lovelan being the guy over Tyler Warren.

879
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think Loveland's better period. He's two

880
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: years younger, he had better peripherals than Warren for the

881
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: most part, aside from some of the volume stuff. But uh,

882
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: he had three games with an eighty five percent or

883
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: better route share last year, and in those three games

884
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: he scored twenty one point seven, twenty one point five,

885
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: and twenty one point four PPR points in those in

886
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 1: those that includes the playoffs. That's crazy, that's absurd. That's

887
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: that's better than Gronk type numbers. Like it's it's insane.

888
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's going to continue. But shows you

889
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: the ceiling for a guy like Loveland. Uh, rookie tight

890
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: ends since twenty eleven with three hundred or more routes

891
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: run and a yards per route run above one point eight.

892
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: So so they got enough volume to run that many

893
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 1: routes and they had a strong yards per our run.

894
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: You only have Loveland, Kyle Pitts, and Brock Bowers. That's it.

895
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts had a great rookie season. People forget that.

896
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: But and obviously, like we're seeing more and more from

897
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: Pitts being a you know, decent tight end, that's a

898
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: good place to be for Loveland. And then also we

899
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: can't forget that that year two and year three tight

900
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: ends are usually pretty good bets in our drafts. So

901
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: Colson Loveland for me is the tight end three.

902
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 3: Okay, this might be a little bit surprising to people.

903
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: Harold Fannin, Yeah, I was going back.

904
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I think people can probably predict who the

905
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: tight end four or tight end five would be. If

906
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: Harold Fannon is my four, yeah, but I was thinking

907
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: about the situation. I mean, let's just uncover five because

908
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: I think it'll be easier. Number five is Tyler Warren.

909
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: Just so people you know, are aware.

910
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: But the way I see it is Tyler Warren. I think.

911
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: I think comparing and contrasting this is the way that

912
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: we should go and talking about it. I think that

913
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: Tyler Warren has a lot of anchoring bias going on

914
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: with him, whereas Harold Finnon might have some recency bias.

915
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 2: But you like to see that.

916
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: Kind of trajectory anyway with a rookie player, rookie tight end,

917
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: wide receiver, what have you.

918
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: But like with Tyler Warren from week eight onward last

919
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: year he averaged eight point eight PPR points per game.

920
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: He only got to a double digit PPR point performance

921
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: once from week eight onward. Now you can sit there

922
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: and say, oh, the quarterback was hurt. You know, things

923
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: changing that offense. He's playing with a geriatric at quarterback.

924
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: I get all that, But that just tells you that

925
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: he's a he's very he can be very influenced by situation,

926
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: and we don't know exactly what that situation is going

927
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: to look like for Indianapolis entering twenty twenty six, right,

928
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: Harold Fannon is also an up in the air situation,

929
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: but no more.

930
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: David and Joku more than likely.

931
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: As we already talked about, Todd Mounkin historically has been

932
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: pretty tight end friendly and because of Harold Fannin's versatility, which,

933
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: by the way, you can argue this same thing for

934
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: Tyler Warren, but in my opinion, Harold Fannon was just

935
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: like a like a more versatile piece to the Browns

936
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: offense with less competition in that offense right now as

937
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: of right now, But if you look at Harold Fannon

938
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: among two hundred plus route run rookie tight end since

939
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, the players who have reached a target on

940
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: twenty four percent of their routes run, which is what

941
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 1: Harold Fannon did. He had a better targets prout run

942
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: rate than Tyler Warren did. Brock Bauers, Jordan Reid, and

943
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: Harold Fannin.

944
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: That's it. Jordan Reid was a monster fantasy asset. The

945
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: only reason why Jordan Reid isn't.

946
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: Talked about the same way that like I don't want

947
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: to say Gronk and Kelsey because they're obviously in a

948
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: tier above, but kind of that next tier down, like

949
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: even like a Mark Andrews type. When Mark Andrews would

950
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: spike is because he was hurt all the time. He

951
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: would just get hurt constantly, and so and if you

952
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: look at that and you change it from twenty four

953
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: percent route run rate to a twenty three percent for

954
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: targets prout run for Harold Fannon, you had Evan Ingram

955
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: and Sam Laporta, two guys that we feel pretty good

956
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: about in fantasy for the most part. I know, Evan

957
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: getting older and he didn't have a great season, but

958
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot of filtering and a lot of comps

959
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: that look very good. For Harold fannin he had a

960
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: thirty one percent target share from week twelve through week sixteen,

961
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: then he got hurt. But look if Harold Fannon is

962
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: running like an eighty percent route share next year, and

963
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna obviously be versatile with him. I love him

964
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: in fantasy. I think there's a lot of upside there.

965
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: There's a lot of potential there. And then you know,

966
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: you could argue similar things for Tyler Warren, but I'm

967
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: just worried about how that trajectory kind of went. He's

968
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: an older prospect than Harold Fannon is I said this

969
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: on the show. I mean, the more I've talked about it.

970
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: I think that you could easily put Harold Fannon above

971
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: Tyler Warren in Dynasty right now. Like sounds crazy, but

972
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: I just if you look at this objectively, I think

973
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: it does make some sense. And so like, I don't

974
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: think that that Tyler Warren's bad by any means.

975
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: I still haven't tight end five.

976
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: I just think that his rookie season is being inflated

977
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: a little bit by the market right now.

978
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 3: Okay, number six, depending on where you were last year

979
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 3: with him, might invite you know, like Yay, he's back,

980
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 3: or I can't believe I lost him. And that's Tucker Craft.

981
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he was a.

982
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: Late round fantasy football staple for the discord and for

983
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: listeners and all that stuff. Tucker Craft was he was

984
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: pacing to have a really, really big season. I talked

985
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: about that with the expected you know, ADP expectation and

986
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: how he outperformed that. This ranking assumes he's mostly healthy

987
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: next year. I think that probably see a little bit

988
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: of a slow start, but there's beatable competition in Green Bay.

989
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 1: Still no true alpha there, right I think Christian Watson

990
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: played really well, but I wouldn't call him, you know,

991
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: an alpha from like a target getter standpoint, Yet he

992
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: had a nineteen percent target share two point three to

993
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: three yards per route run for Tucker Craft last year.

994
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: That number has increased.

995
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: Both of them have the target share and the Archs

996
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: pro out run every year so far in his career

997
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: during his three years. And then the other thing that

998
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: we can't lose sight of is that Matt Lafleor's offenses

999
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: have been top half in the league in touchdowns per game.

1000
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: I think they've actually been like top ten in all

1001
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: but one or all but two of his seasons that

1002
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: he's been head coaching Green Bay. So there's like this

1003
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: stability there for an offensive environment standpoint. And typically, you know,

1004
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: when we're looking at these tight ends more in the

1005
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: middle rounds, we do want to target the more obvious,

1006
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: better offenses. It's more that we don't want to target

1007
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: the bad offenses. But you know, probability wise target the

1008
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: good offenses and there's a higher chance that you don't

1009
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: get a bad offense with your tight end.

1010
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 3: Okay, we're seven, got Sam Laporta.

1011
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I was looking more into Laporta.

1012
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: I kind of forgot, you know, he wasn't like amazing

1013
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: in fantasy he had like eleven point eight PPR points

1014
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 1: per game nineteen percent.

1015
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's playing better though, when.

1016
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: He was having a decent season from like a real

1017
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: football and efficiency standpoint, he had his best yards per

1018
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: rout run season of his career this past year. Then

1019
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: he went down, you know, like everything was better than

1020
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Laporta obviously he had his rookie year

1021
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: where he really broke out and it was nice because

1022
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, we were drafting him late. But uh, you know,

1023
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: I thought Laporta had no K season. It's a good

1024
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: environment in general for tight ends. You know, there's a

1025
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator, but the Lions have had, you know,

1026
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: one of the best offenses in the league with with

1027
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell and obviously Petsing being there. He's coming from

1028
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: a team that hyper targeted Trey McBride. Not not that

1029
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: I think that that's the way we should look at this,

1030
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: but it at least makes you feel a little bit

1031
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: better about Like it's not like a coordinator that's never

1032
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: deployed and used his tight ends before.

1033
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: So I think Laporta is in a decent spot. I'll

1034
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: be honest.

1035
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, depending on where his ADP lands.

1036
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna be like a target

1037
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: of mine, but you know, we're once you get past

1038
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: like Warren and if Kraft is healthy, you start to

1039
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: get into some more questionable territory with these tight ends.

1040
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 3: Okay, speaking of questionable territory, Dalton Kincaid.

1041
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this will surprise people too, because I

1042
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: would imagine he's gonna be a little bit later from

1043
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: an ADP standpoint. Yeah, he played reportedly played twenty twenty

1044
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: five with a torn PCL, which seems very painful and

1045
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: not easy to do. But and I think that kind

1046
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 1: of explains, like like he's never been like a full time,

1047
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: full time tight end, but he had a fifty one

1048
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: percent route share this past year when it was sixty

1049
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: three percent the year before. It's weird because, like I

1050
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: thought that he was a little bit overrated at times

1051
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: last year because he was doing some unsustainable things. But

1052
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: now I look at how people are talking about him,

1053
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, he's a bus he's terrible. There might

1054
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: be a little bit of that that post type, you know,

1055
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: stuff going on with with Dalton Kincaid. Last year he

1056
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: had a two point seven to nine yards PERU run rate.

1057
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: Anything over two is great. He was a two point

1058
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: seventy nine, only the sixth time that a tight end

1059
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: since twenty eleven had two hundred and more routes run

1060
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: and at two point seven yards per out run rate.

1061
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 2: George Kittle has three of those because he's a freak.

1062
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: Okay, and then uh Andrews, I said, Andres, But Andrews

1063
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: has won and Gronk has won.

1064
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: I mean that's it.

1065
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: It's those guys in Dalton Kincaid, which is crazy likely

1066
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: a good offensive environment, like I talked about earlier, that's important.

1067
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: I could argue that k Kate could be over San

1068
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: Laporta I or even Tucker Craft if he's not totally

1069
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: healthy as the season you know, gets closer. But like,

1070
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to imagine a world where like Dalton

1071
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: Kinkaid is a seventy to seventy five percent route share

1072
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 1: player and he could be a beast in fantasy football

1073
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: given what they have around him in that offense.

1074
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, this guy people should be sending donations

1075
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: to if he helped them get to their playoffs and championship.

1076
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, Yes, by the way, I have I see

1077
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 1: that that mules and Chat says putting fannin and didn't know.

1078
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 3: I didn't know if you're.

1079
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 1: Go, yeah, I mean, I mean I don't think. I like, again,

1080
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: it's it's February, but it's literally injury related. If if Tucker

1081
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: Craft were one hundred percent, I would probably put Tucker

1082
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: Craft over those guys. But I also think I think

1083
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: Harold Fannon is really good and so you know, I

1084
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: think you un at least make the argument there. But yeah, yeah,

1085
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: I mean, like that's why I said after Craft you

1086
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: get into more questionable territory.

1087
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: With that being said, I do think tight end and

1088
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Speaker 2: we saw this.

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Speaker 1: A little bit last year, a little bit deeper, and

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Speaker 1: that's that's the go to phrase every year in fantasy.

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Speaker 1: You know, tight ends a little bit deeper this year.

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Speaker 1: But I actually do believe that this year tight end.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's fairly strong. But because there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of young, up and coming guys, because last year's draft

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Speaker 1: class was really good.

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Speaker 2: So Kyle Pitts free agent. We don't know where he's

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Speaker 2: going to be.

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Speaker 1: We can't talk about that team context, but guys, he's

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Speaker 1: only twenty five. He's like a year and a half

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Speaker 1: younger or older rather than Tyler Warren. He's had a

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Speaker 1: target share at er above twenty percent and three of

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Speaker 1: four NFL seasons second most efficient season for him. Last

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Speaker 1: year he had a career high five touchdowns. I still

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Speaker 1: think there's some room for growth for him. He's never

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Speaker 1: had six end zone targets in a single season. So

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Speaker 1: maybe he goes to a place where it's a higher

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Speaker 1: powered offense. You know, they get him, you know, if

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Speaker 1: Atlanta does indeed get rid of them.

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Speaker 2: But you said there's rumors that they could they could

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Speaker 2: tag him.

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Speaker 1: But regardless, like if he goes somewhere that you know,

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Speaker 1: can can use him for his skill set, which is

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00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: being a pretty good pass catcher and use him more

1114
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Speaker 1: in the red zone, I could see him, you know,

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Speaker 1: being a decent fantasy asset next year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the thing. We don't know what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: And you mentioned some of the younger guys and last

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Speaker 3: year being a deep class. Another guy's name, at least

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Speaker 3: one guy's name to keep in mind is Kenyon Sadik,

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Speaker 3: the tight end of Oregon. Every mock draft has him

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Speaker 3: going in the first round.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, so that that will change things. He might land on.

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Speaker 3: I've seen Broncos, Eagles, forty nine Ers. You know, whatever

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Speaker 3: team he lands on.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna it's gonna be interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, speaking of rookie former rookie tight ends,

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Speaker 3: Ronde Gadsden number ten.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I look, Gatston didn't have I know that he

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Speaker 1: kind of dropped off towards the end of last year,

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00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: but that also kind of aligned with just the Chargers

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00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: offense dropping off towards.

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Speaker 2: The end of last year.

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Speaker 1: He's one of twenty nine rookie tight end since twenty

1135
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: eleven to have three hundred US routes run. That just

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Speaker 1: tells you that he like was used immediately, was a

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00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: receiver immediately, and that's a signal for talent. Of those

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00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: twenty nine wideouts, the average a dot was seven point seven,

1139
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: average at the target was seven point seven. Gadson was

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00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: down the field more he was at nine point four

1141
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: because he has the receiver skill the wide receiver skill set.

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Speaker 1: Of those twenty nine, Gatson was one of ten with

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00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: a one point five or greater yards perrout run rate.

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00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: Six of those players have either hit or they look

1145
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: like they're gonna hit in a pretty decent way Mike

1146
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: McDaniel now offensive coordinator. You know, early on when he

1147
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: was in Miami, they didn't deploy their their tight ends

1148
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: much at all. But I you know, we've seen him

1149
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: when he has the right personnel use those tight ends,

1150
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: as we saw with John new Smith. Though Gatson is

1151
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: not a John new Smith type tight end. That's not

1152
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 1: They're not the same kind of player. John new Smith

1153
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: is much more of that, like, uh, John new Smith

1154
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: is more like Harold Fan and then he would be

1155
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: not I don't think he's as good, but then he

1156
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: would be Aronde Gatson. Gatson's more of that, Like you know,

1157
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to go this far, but like Darren Waller,

1158
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 1: archetype type type player, like a Terrence Ferguson.

1159
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: Is as well. But I'm betting on the talent profile

1160
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 2: here for Rohnde Gatston. I think that he's a good

1161
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 2: tight end. I think this offense.

1162
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are gonna get sick of me

1163
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 1: by August talking up the Chargers offense because I'm going

1164
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: to be in I'm going to be drafting Justin Herbert,

1165
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 1: I'm going to be drafting the wide receivers. I'm gonna

1166
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: be drafting Marion Hampton. I am in on this Chargers offense.

1167
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: I know that it's not contrarian. I just think it's

1168
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: smart because that offensive line is gonna be a lot

1169
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: better as long as they're healthy this year versus last year.

1170
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Pete Tripp said, is likely number ten Mark

1171
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 3: Andrew's just signed an extension there for three more.

1172
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: Likely is likely as a free agent right now.

1173
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't. I actually haven't looked at like who

1174
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 3: the tight end free agents are going into next season.

1175
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean likely likely is is uh Like Jig

1176
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: could be.

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00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 3: Chig could be if they don't pick up his fifth

1178
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 3: fifth year option. Likely is likely out is where we're

1179
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 3: at with But I'm looking at some of the like

1180
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 3: the pre draft rankings right now, and it's just a

1181
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 3: lot of those guys in that same area. Goddard, Ferguson,

1182
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 3: Strange Hunter, Henry Juan Johnson, A J. Barner, You know,

1183
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 3: uh now kind of in that mid to late round

1184
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 3: tight end. Like you said, it is.

1185
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: Deeper, it's deeper, It's deeper. But yeah, I mean the

1186
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: big the big free agent is Kyle Pitts. But then

1187
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: you know, likely, uh is someone that that teams are

1188
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: going to likely be looking at you know, David and Joku.

1189
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard I think is a free agent right now,

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Speaker 1: so we'll see.

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00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 3: All right, Well that will do it for that. How

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00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 3: do you feel about the tight end position in general

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Speaker 3: heading into next year.

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00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 2: I think it's deep. I think it's it's pretty good,

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00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: and a lot of it is.

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Speaker 1: I remember last year when I was looking at the

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00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: tight end profiles and messaging you and being like, this

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00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: is a pretty good class, Like this is a fairly

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Speaker 1: deep class with a lot of you know, with the

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Speaker 1: top your two.

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Speaker 3: Players on the top ten.

1202
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that, And this is what happens, like

1203
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: we're we see it with quarterback too, with that class

1204
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: from two years ago, and where you just get two

1205
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: or three guys at these onesie positions and then all

1206
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, it elevates the rest of

1207
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: the position because you know, you only need twelve in

1208
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: a given leak ten and a ten team league, and

1209
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: so eventually it's gonna be no reason to pay up

1210
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: because there's ten really really good guys. I still think,

1211
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: you know, right now, train McBride should dominate or you know,

1212
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 1: Bower should be good, and I like Fannin and whatnot.

1213
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: But I think it's a solid as solid as tight

1214
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 1: end has been over the last five to ten years.

1215
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 3: Agreed all right, time to say goodbye JJ again lateround

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Speaker 3: purchase the Prospect Guide. We have twenty seven tight end profiles.

1218
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 3: We didn't used to do any tight end profiles before

1219
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 3: this year, so this is the first year we've done

1220
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Speaker 3: like full tight end profiles. We just had like you know,

1221
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Speaker 3: rankings and notes. This year, they're twenty seven tight ends.

1222
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Speaker 3: They're gonna be invited to the combine. Yeah, so good

1223
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Speaker 3: luck Brandon Godoula a lot of work.

1224
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Godula is gonna be gonna be running with the profiles,

1225
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: and then you know, he might help a little bit

1226
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: with the wide receivers and stuff too, because once I

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00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: I mean, man, when I'm doing because there's forty seven wideouts,

1228
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: once I get to like the guys who I know

1229
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: aren't going to be drafted, it's just I mean, if

1230
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: you guys look at previous draft guides and go read

1231
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: some of the blurbs for those guys, I'm trying to

1232
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: throw as many like jokes in there as I possibly can.

1233
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like too. You know when they have a

1234
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 3: zapp score of like two point five, you know, you

1235
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 3: know something like that.

1236
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: Sometimes they work out. I mean, Tes Johnson was something.

1237
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 2: You know this this past year he turned into saw.

1238
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:48,959
Speaker 3: He was in the year. He's in the year two.

1239
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: It's good enough to be in the year too, right up. Yeah, yeah,

1240
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: So good for test Man. He proved me wrong.

1241
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 3: It's coming at the very end, but hey he got there.

1242
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 3: All right.

1243
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: Final thoughts, J No Man, I am just excited about

1244
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: all this prospect stuff.

1245
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 2: I'm excited to kind of be back in a routine.

1246
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: You know, I had a great time in San Francisco,

1247
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: as I said, but you know, it's nice to be

1248
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: back in mom's basement.

1249
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 3: It's comfortable. The basement's comfortable. Uh. And just as a reminder,

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00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,160
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1253
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 3: off season chat this time of year. And I'm sure

1254
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 3: some people wanted to know, Hey, Kitchen, how did you

1255
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 3: do in that Late Round contest that was put together

1256
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 3: as far as drafting players for each round? Yes, I

1257
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 3: won my pod and finished top five, so you be right. Yeah,

1258
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Speaker 3: there's a shout out to be Rad for putting it together.

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00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 3: So for you, Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna not

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Speaker 3: gonna say a thing until I've got payment in hand,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, it's.

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Speaker 2: Yea be Rad be ragging a ghost everybody.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully not, but shout out to everyone who's been

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