1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: The nick Yes Nis Nikky, Hello here I am Hello. 2 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday to you all out there. NICKI Gleanser Podcast. 3 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. So excited about today's show. Special 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: guest today Andrew Colin. While he'll be here, he's always here. Um. 5 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: But also, if you've been listening to the show for 6 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: a few weeks at least you heard me talk about 7 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: reconnecting with an old X who I didn't who I 8 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: um who I pulled the old out of my phone 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: out of my life. Uh, stint with it. If someone 10 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: crosses me, an ex lover crosses me and does something 11 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: to hurt me. I used to do out of my phone, 12 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: out of my life, double o L wait, double op 13 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: double o l ouple. Um. Sometimes that's necessary to do. 14 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: It was for me at the time. We Uh we 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: reconnected though, and he's coming back on He's coming on 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: the show for our first time uh talking. I mean 17 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: we sent voice memos, but that doesn't equal like talking. 18 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: You know, our first time talking in um since two thousand. 19 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: It was the weekend after I quit drinking. So I'm 20 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: coming up on ten years in December, so almost ten 21 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: years of not speaking to this person that I had 22 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: a relationship with Zack Sherwin is his name. He is 23 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: someone that I was initially attracted to because he was 24 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: a tall uh uh uh Jewish looking party. I just 25 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: saw that a party was like that guy's hot and um, 26 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: I just like I. I don't know if it's um. 27 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's racist to say that I 28 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: like the way Jewish men look, but I do. It 29 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with it. Just I like dark features. 30 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: I like ums, bespeckled like Jewish fro tall uh strong chin. 31 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: He was a handsome man across the room. People told 32 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: me he was a UM rapper. I was like dazzled 33 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: by that. I watched his stuff. I was so impressed 34 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: by his rapping that I was just like good, good 35 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: and it's so funny. I was just listening to John 36 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: Mayer's song New Light, which is one of my favorite songs. 37 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: Um you know it's from I think it's on his 38 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: new album sab Rock, but it's been That song has 39 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,119 Speaker 1: been around since like maybe two eighteen. And Anya, who 40 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: does our theme song, my best friend, she did a 41 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: cover of it or she does one in concert. That's 42 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: so good. We were obsessed with that song. But that 43 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: song is about being in the friend zone, and I 44 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: was in the friend zone with him for a while, 45 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: and um, and we'll talk about that, we'll talk about 46 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: all of that. I'm excited to reconnect with him. Not 47 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: nervous at all. I was nervous last night and now 48 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: I'm feeling like so excited. So um that's coming up. 49 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: I just so my Starbucks around the corner. I don't 50 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: know if anyone knows this, but if you're a Starbucks 51 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: head like I am, the nation, Um, the nation, Starbucks 52 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: are running low on everything. There is a back order, 53 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, much like a car dealerships because of the 54 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: pandemic or whatever it is. Uh, they're just not they 55 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: don't have there's right now. I realized there's not a 56 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: lot of new cars, so uh, pre owned used cars 57 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: are like flying off the lot and they're going for 58 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: way more because there's not enough new supply. So UM, 59 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: I've been using I've been buying us Starbucks from people 60 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: who don't finish their drinks and it's been a great experience. No. Um. 61 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: I every if you order on the mobile app, it 62 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: will tell you if they're out of the thing that 63 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: you like. And every day I get a little red 64 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: red alert for the for the Starbucks around the block 65 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: for me, which I have a morning ritual. I put 66 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: in my AirPods. I listened to my ex boyfriend's morning 67 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,839 Speaker 1: radio show, Uh the Arch, which is my favorite morning 68 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: radio show to listen to. I just love. That's what 69 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: I wanted this show to be, was not the art, 70 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: but like a morning something you rely on every morning 71 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: as you walk your dog, get your coffee, whatever it is. 72 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: Jerk off and so I popped them in and I'm like, 73 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: oh my god, they're out of everything at the Starbucks. 74 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: And I feel bad for them because they're probably like 75 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: just dealing with a lot of customers. They're like, I 76 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: don't understand, and while you're out, and it's like it's 77 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: not their fault. But I did find a Starbucks um 78 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: about a mile or two away that has everything, and 79 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: I've been driving there every morning getting two of them 80 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: because I usually have two Starbucks. Today. Anyway, today I 81 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: was walking back. I took Luigi with me. He's getting 82 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: new story, new little routine of getting in the car. 83 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,119 Speaker 1: He goes to p but he takes too long to poop, 84 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: which I know he needs to do, so I go listen. 85 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: I gotta go get my Starbucks, work on this poop 86 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: on the way there. So then we get to Starbucks, 87 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: he gets out, he pee's again, not ready to poop 88 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: in a new location. Come back, I'm carrying I slammed 89 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: that Starbucks on the way home, the first one. The 90 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: second one I'm saving for later. So I'm carrying it in. 91 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: And you know, I got a novelish dog. You guys, 92 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: you guys know right, He just trust me. He walks 93 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: next to me like the dog in that the zach 94 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: Evron movie where he uh no one even saw this 95 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: fucking movie, but it's the hottest thing is where zach 96 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: Efron turned from like, you know, high school musical into 97 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: a fucking man. The Lucky One. Oh my god. I 98 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: saw the trailer for The Lucky One, and I was 99 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: I have been a chart to zac Efron since high 100 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,799 Speaker 1: school musical, and I always suppressed it because it felt wrong. 101 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, I was right. I 102 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: was right. Look at go watch these shower scene in 103 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: The Lucky One. That's all you need to do. That 104 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: movie is good. Actually, Taylor, I'm chilling from Orange a 105 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: New Black, isn't it? And she's great. And I have 106 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: a friend whose friends with her, and I was like, 107 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: can you just ask her what it was like to 108 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: kiss sack a front kind of over him, but he 109 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: was my celeb crush for a while. Um anyway, how 110 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: did I get onto the Lucky One? Oh? Yeah? My 111 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: dog just follows me like the dog in that film, 112 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: because he has a dog that like stops when he stops, 113 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: walks when he walks in it's amazing, And it's just 114 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: it's because I walk like Cleopatra with my dog. The 115 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: second Luigi senses that I'm scared because sometimes there's homeless 116 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: people around here, and I have him off leash the 117 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: second there's like a weird person coming, and Luigi will 118 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: only see me out of my perifer like he'll you know, 119 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: I let him do his own thing. Sometimes he wants 120 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: to walk right next to me if I want that. 121 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: If there's a lot of people around and I want 122 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: to make them feel at ease that I have an 123 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: awfuleash dog, I like him like, come here, and he 124 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: walks next to me. But some most of the time, 125 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: I let him just do his thing and he keeps 126 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: me in his vision. But if they're come, if I 127 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: he reads my body language, it's wild. No, it's so cute. 128 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: I told Andrew about it yesterday because Andrew walked with 129 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,239 Speaker 1: us both off leash. I let Andrew be off leash, 130 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,679 Speaker 1: and um, it's a little trickier with Andrew. I gotta 131 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: I gotta check it on him because he likes to 132 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: run out on the road because he sees, um, you know, 133 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: a sail at Lulu Lemon or a Celsius can in 134 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: the in the street, and he likes to run out 135 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: and go. Um. But Andrew was like changing the dynamic 136 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: that Luigi was picking up on because Andrew was very 137 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: worried about him being off leash and Luigi because Andrew 138 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: sensed his scaredness, was being a little skittish and like 139 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: just not doing it was not good for awfully show. 140 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: I was like, Andrew, will you just I'm sorry, will 141 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: you stop doing that? And just like trust him because 142 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,239 Speaker 1: if you trust him, he doesn't misbehave. But the second 143 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: you go, he wants to misbehave. He doesn't know how 144 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: to read it. And I go, it's really funny because 145 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: I go, when there's like a homeless person or someone 146 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: i'm a little bit scared of in the shadows, Luigi 147 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: senses my tension and will come to me immediately and 148 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: be a good dog and not like put me in 149 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: a place where I have to like walk over to 150 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: him and be around this homeless person a little bit more. 151 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,239 Speaker 1: It's so sweet. You're such a good boy. Um. And 152 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: it's funny because last night I was with uh, my 153 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: ex boyfriend and we're friends again and hanging out, and 154 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: he was around when I got Luigi and lived with Luigi, 155 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: so Luigi like knows him as an owner, and even 156 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: he was a little bit skittish like about worrying about 157 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: Luigi being off leash, just because that's a natural thing. 158 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: And I haven't really told him about my whole, um, 159 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: my whole thing of like I read a third of 160 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: Caesar Malan's book when I first got Luigi, and I 161 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: always remembered that if you walk like Cleopatra, your dog 162 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: will treat you like Cleopatra, like if you walk like 163 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: you're a princess, and I really do. I walk with 164 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: my both my hands behind my back like I'm Klisi. 165 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: Andrew said I was walking like Clisie, and I go, 166 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: that's funny because I try to harness Cleopatra even though 167 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: I don't know anything. I just trying to harness Liz 168 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: Taylor and scenes that I've seen so last night though, 169 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: uh or yesterday, my ex boyfriend I were just like walking, 170 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,239 Speaker 1: I should just call it my friend now. My friend 171 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: Chris and I were walking and um, Luigi ran out 172 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: in traffic almost and it was so terrifying. There was 173 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: a car coming and it's like, and I don't want 174 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: to blaming no one, but it was because Chris wasn't 175 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: chill about him being awfully like he was being a 176 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: good dog dad and being like concerned, and Luigi just 177 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: got kind of scared and like ran in the street 178 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: and it's just so interesting that our energy. And I 179 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: would have never blamed him. If Luigi died, I would 180 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: have never been like, it's because, like I would have said, 181 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: it's because of that, but it's not because you wanted that. 182 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: It was just because I didn't. It was my fault. 183 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: I didn't explain my theory of walking him. And when 184 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: I walk with other people, I'm just gonna have to 185 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: now be on leash because Luigi starts to pick up 186 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 1: on their energy and it's and it really is hard 187 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: to get to a place with your animal where you 188 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: trust them. I'm just gonna share this one story for 189 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: dog owners because it changed my life or just like 190 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: pet owners or children owners, what do we call them owners? 191 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: A parents? I think they're called This was invaluable to 192 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: me in getting both my dogs, Luigi and Marian. Prior 193 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: to getting my two dogs, Marianella's with my parents, but 194 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: prior to these two dogs, I had grown up with 195 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: dogs that run away always. You can't have them off leash. 196 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: The second they get off leash, they run away and 197 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: they don't come back, and you beg for them to 198 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: come back. They ignore you. It causes so much anger. 199 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: You guys know the type of dog I'm talking about. 200 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: You probably grew up with them. And um, it's like 201 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: there's some comedy bit about like some guy was like, 202 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: you don't think your dog, you think your dog loves you. 203 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: Open the door and it's like, oh yeah, your dog 204 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: is like a Some people argue, some animal rights advocates 205 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: argue that pet ownership is slavery because you're just like, 206 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: I want this thing all around me, and it one 207 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: it clearly. Any time it gets a chance, it wants 208 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: to fucking run, and we keep it on a leash 209 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: like there's a little there's a little truth to that, um. 210 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: But this is what changed for me. I was traveling 211 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: with both my dogs because I never had dogs that 212 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: would behave I just thought dogs don't do that. I 213 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: thought that, you know, they had to go through intensive 214 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: police training to be a dog that's off leash. But 215 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: really what it's about, and I know there's exceptions because 216 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: dogs have behavior, behavioral issues that you know they come 217 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: with before they get to you and uh, but really 218 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: they read your energy. That's like whatever your dogs doing, 219 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: it's it's being facilitated by you. So this blew my mind. 220 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: And I think I've shared this with you Noah, but 221 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: and listen up, because I'm serious, Like this is the thing. 222 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: This changed everything with me and my dog. I was 223 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: traveling with Luigi for the first time, and I was 224 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: so worried about it because we were you know, the 225 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: rules of the plane is and if you I didn't 226 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: want to say he was a service dog because he wasn't. 227 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to speak through this because we got it 228 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: and Andrew in here, so maybe slow it down. I 229 00:10:58,440 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: couldn't say it was a service dog because it was. 230 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: And I don't like to lie, so I paid the 231 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: extra hundred fifty dollars for him each way. That means 232 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: he has to stay in the bag the entire time. 233 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: I was worried because he's never been in a bag 234 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: for a two and a half hour flight. What's gonna happen. 235 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm so worried. I gave him ben a drill. I 236 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: gave him like a like a like kind of a 237 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: some kind of like a dog sleepy thing. I like 238 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: read all these books about how to do it. The 239 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: whole flight, I'm like checking in on him. He was like, 240 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: looks scared. He's trying to dig out of the bag. 241 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it's so stressful. I get to the 242 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: airport and I'm at baggage claim and I'm just like 243 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: he's out of the bag at that point, and I'm 244 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, we made it, but that 245 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: was so hard. And this gay couple, these two gay 246 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: guys walk up to me and they go, oh, your 247 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: dogs so cute, and I go, thank you. I was like, 248 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: I just it's been a rough day. It's his first 249 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: day um traveling, and it was rough. And they go, 250 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: we have a little dog too, we travel with. Can 251 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: we give you a tip? And I was like, yes, 252 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: anything please, I think I asked him, I go, do 253 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: you have any tips? And they go, you're in charge. 254 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: Do not worry about what they're gonna do, because that 255 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: makes them do that. You have have confidence in your dog. 256 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: Believe in your dog because they want you to believe 257 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: in them and trust them. Trust that your dog when 258 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: you put him in the bag, that's where he belongs. 259 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: You know that. Let him know that you're okay with that. 260 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: Now this postpect to stand up comedy. You guys, you're 261 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: a comedian comedy fans. When you're in the audience, all 262 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 1: you want. I discovered this late in the game. All 263 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: an audience wants is to for that person on stage 264 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: to not be nervous, to be confident, to know what 265 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: they're doing. I'm in good hands. That's all your dog 266 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: wants is someone who is in the driver's seat who 267 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: knows exactly when they ask for something from them, they 268 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: know it's for the best and that's the final answer. 269 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: So when you go when you put your dog in 270 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: a bag and you kept checking him and go is 271 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: he okay? And then you go, oh, he can get 272 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: him like worrying it's it causes stress for the dog 273 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: because he can pick up on your stress. So I 274 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: swear to God. The next flight I got on with 275 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: this dog, I put him in the bag and I 276 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: was like, you belong there. I put a little sheet 277 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: over it. He was still the entire time. Yeah, I 278 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: did sedate him with me. No, I didn't sate him 279 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: at all. I've never had a sedate him because when 280 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: my dogs go in the bag, when they go off leash, 281 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: if I don't take them off leash or put him 282 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: in a bag or put him in a situation unless 283 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure and I meditate on it a little bit, 284 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: I like take a breath and I go, that's what 285 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: I want. I'm in charge, and they pick up on that. 286 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: And it was, honestly, it was like the switch that 287 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: I didn't know that I had, I was able to possess. 288 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: So if you're having struggled with your dog, really work 289 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: on knowing what you ask for from them and not 290 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: being unsure. And it's really hard to do, and I'm 291 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: not perfect at it at all, but that really those 292 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: two gay guys telling me that, like when you put 293 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: him in the bag, he belongs in the bag. There's 294 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: no checking in on him to see if he's okay, 295 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: he's okay. You wouldn't put him in the bag unless 296 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: he's okay, sweetie. You know you're you're the parent, so no, 297 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: And I think that would probably work for kids to 298 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: like your sounding. You're going to your room and I'm 299 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: not going to check on your That's where you belong 300 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: and you're gonna be safe there, and that's where That's 301 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen when you lock them in a cage 302 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: and don't feed him for a couple days, you tell 303 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: them that, Um, we gotta get Andrew in here. Let's 304 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: let's bring up in Oh. I want to break through. 305 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: I wanted something too. I want to know the real 306 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: thing about you, Andrew. Um it isn't yes, it is okay, okay, 307 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: Hi Andrew. Oh, I want to break through. I wanted 308 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: something too. I want to know the real thing about 309 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: you so you can see me in a new We've 310 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: been listening to the new John Mayer album, which has 311 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: the old song New Light on it, and we both 312 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: love it and uh we were just jamming to it hardcore. 313 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: It's about being in the front zone and it's uh, yeah, 314 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: I told you about that. It reminds me of my 315 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: relationship with extra when, which we'll get to very very soon. Andrew, 316 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: did you sleep last night? Um? I slept, okay, you 317 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: know my uh my girlfriend slept over. She's not feeling well. 318 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: She hasn't felt well for five days. She has a 319 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: bad stomach issues. Oh yeah, I mean she was here 320 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: last night and I didn't know. I you have texted 321 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: me when I was at dinner that and I was 322 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: going to be here, and then you texted a bunch 323 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: of stuff after that, and then I hadn't seen my 324 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: phone and I looked down at it and I just 325 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: read the last thing you texted, not the Brenda part. So, um, 326 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: she heard some things? Maybe, No, I hope not. We 327 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: I was here with a a lover of sorts and 328 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: we're pretty loud, and I because we thought we had 329 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: the place to ourselves. But I'm really glad she didn't 330 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: hear anything. We actually weren't that loud because I realized 331 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: my screen door was my I had opened my um 332 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: in my room. I'd been smoking pot in my room 333 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: and I didn't want it to reek, so I left 334 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: the door open before and then when we came back, 335 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: we just started like hooking up, and it was opened 336 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: the whole time, so I kind of kept it hush hush. 337 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: You were no thing odd, but I mean we could 338 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: have been. Brenda didn't come. My partner left, and then 339 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: I went out, and like I was making food and 340 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: watching TV and being out. I was probably like saying 341 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: weird things. And she was there the whole time in 342 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: your bedroom right off the living room, and I didn't know. 343 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: And then you got home and you go not a 344 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: ripe this, And you walked in and I saw her shoes, 345 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: So I thought she went to the baseball game with 346 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: you and just changed shoes here. Yeah. No, I wrote 347 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: you saying she doesn't feel well. She also her apartment, 348 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: you know, she's moving a bed on the floor. I'm 349 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: so glad she was here. Then. Yeah, I thought you'd 350 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: be cool with it. But then not hearing back from me, 351 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, does she have a problem with it? Like that? 352 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: My head never? I mean, I'm not though. You have 353 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: a right to wonder. So you stay the night here? Yeah? 354 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: Last night and I was watching us like some show, 355 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: oh the Naomi Osaka documentary on Netflix that you had recommended, 356 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: and you were like, oh, Brenna's here, and you went 357 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: and checked in on her in the bedroom and then 358 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: you came back out and then you were like, I 359 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: got I gotta, We're gonna go in there because I gotta. 360 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: She's like not feeling I'm like, yeah, I would never 361 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: expect you to stay out here if your girlfriends And 362 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: first of all, you shouldn't have even gone to the 363 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: baseball game. You should have tended to dear. You know what. 364 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: She was really happy about that. MR. For the last 365 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: three day as I've been very tending. I went on, 366 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: I did all her things, did yesterday, I did all 367 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: her errands for her. I was there for her just 368 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: because I wanted to get healthy so I could suck 369 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: her again, you know, yeah, I mean when you have 370 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: stomach issues. I mean how much of it though? Is 371 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: like when you're like, I'm there for my partner and 372 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: it's like, can you speed it up so we can 373 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: start having sex again? Like can you get healthy? Well 374 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit in you Yeah, of 375 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: course you want to have sex, but it's like that 376 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: is one of the most beautiful things about a relationship 377 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: is that when you are sick, there's someone who cares 378 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: about you enough to do those things, and you don't 379 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: feel bad asking them and like, it's just they want 380 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: to do it because they love you and they care 381 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: about you. So I was grateful that she had that 382 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: in you, and then you got to be that for someone. Well, 383 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: it was interesting. Yesterday she texted me, She's like, hey, 384 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: can you help me carry some stuff? I'm not feeling well. 385 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: And I didn't write it back right away. I was 386 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: doing my podcast and then I just wrote sure, how 387 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: about four pm? She read sure as like sure, like whatever, 388 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: Like she was like when I annoying me? Yea yeah, 389 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, no, that's not I was like sure, 390 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: right of course. Of course. Of course, tone and texts 391 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: is not great. It really sucks and it really causes 392 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: a lot of complications. Um, but we worked it out 393 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: and we ended up, you know, hanging out this morning 394 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: a little bit. You had some sexual actions this morning 395 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: just we I tried out that vibrator hand thing that 396 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: you gave me. It's like, uh, I don't know. It's like, um, 397 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: I can't even describe what it is. It's like a 398 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 1: clamp for your cock and you could hold it on 399 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: their vibrates. Why you get a blow job? Oh okay, 400 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 1: so clamp for your I don't even know. What this is. 401 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: Maybe I'll get it at halftime, Yeah, and clean it 402 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: off a little bit. It's not dirty, it's my skin. 403 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: Oh my god. We're supposed to get a really big 404 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: batch of toys from love Honey that I'm so excited about. 405 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: I can't even like I've been checking my packages every day. Um. 406 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: Love Honey is one of our sponsors that I am 407 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: so excited about because I went buck wild on their 408 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: website like book wild, dude, Like I am going to 409 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: be set up for success. I'm very excited. I'm still 410 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: dating around, I'm entertaining many gentlemen. I'm having a great 411 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: sexual partner that I'm not having vaginal sex with. But 412 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: like everything else, I'm feeling like protected in terms of 413 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: like not putting my heart on the line, but also 414 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: very like invested in this, like feeling this person out. 415 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: And also like I'm talking to a guy on Bumble 416 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: that I met on Bumble, that the one I showed 417 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: you the other day. We've just exchanged Um. We were 418 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: talking about life stages, like we're like, oh, oh, I 419 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: talked about my trip that I'm going on. Noah's going 420 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: on it. We're going to Mexico on Saturday. And I 421 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: told him, Um, I'm bringing friends. I'm doing a friend's trip. 422 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: I'm like sponsoring a friend's trip, and I'm bringing all 423 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: my friends from all walks, all stages of my life. 424 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: And he was like, that's so cool. What are the 425 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: stages of your life? And I was like, oh, that's interesting, 426 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: and I said, you know, one one to eight, age 427 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: zero to eighteen, childhood, Cincinnati and St. Louis eighteen two 428 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: twenty seven was being finding my way in comedy and 429 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: also college, and then seven to thirty four was establishing 430 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: myself in comedy, getting sober, first real relationship. Then thirty 431 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: four two now is like being uh already proving myself 432 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: to myself and like trying to be happy and being 433 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: single and liking myself. And it was interesting to break 434 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: that down. I recommend everything. He sent me his today 435 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: and they were just like really beautiful stage Caterpillar like yeah, yeah, 436 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: but no one's going on. So I'm bringing my best 437 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: friends Kirsten and Taylor from my childhood. Then I'm bringing 438 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: um Carlyle, who's comedy. Um, I'm bringing Noah, who is 439 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,239 Speaker 1: comedy radio New York. Um? And then who else am 440 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: I bringing? Fuck Sarahlena, who is New York and from 441 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: my ex boyfriend I met her, and then there's one more. 442 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: I thought, shit, I'm so sorry to the girl that 443 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: I am forgetting right now. Carlisle no uh oh, and 444 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: Robin from Cayman Islands and someone I was got offered 445 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: to do a TV show that would take me out 446 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: of uh that would make me leave Mexico early and 447 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: I and it's so funny because they're like working it out, 448 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: like oh, yes, she'll come back girl, and I go, no, 449 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: I'm not. I literally and it's a great TV show 450 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: and I go, no, I'm not doing that. This is 451 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: so important to me, and like this means more to 452 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,239 Speaker 1: me than doing that show that I hope I can 453 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: be on another time or if they know it's um, 454 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: I already forgot it because it's I put it out 455 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 1: of my mind. But it was a show that I 456 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: really really wanted to do and was like so excited 457 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: I got I asked to do and I swear to God, 458 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: you guys, I already forgot what it is. By the way, 459 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: I cut off my work last night on my on 460 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: my leg Come on, Nick, come on, thinking it's gone. 461 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: I don't know man, that's not healthy. Dude, that's not healthy. 462 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: That's not that's not right. Okay, well you know what 463 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: is right? Bringing my ex boyfriend, my the person I 464 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: even talked to years. This is about to get deep 465 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: to Uh. This is hilarious. So talented, um rapper, comedian, please, artist, vegan, 466 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: animal rights advocate. I'm gonna keep saying things until he 467 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: can get in the room. Um uh tall, uh kind, intelligent, 468 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: massively intelligent, gifted, uh spiritual, uh brave. I'm just listening 469 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: adjectives about us extra when before we could get you up. 470 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: Uh please, welcome to the show. What are you doing, Andrew? Oh? Yeah, 471 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: pin Zach right now? Pin him? We're pining u Zach. 472 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: Oh there you are show Zack shar when everyone Hi 473 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: Zack Andrew, Dude, you know what the way you just 474 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: said Hi Nick, which for some of all, I haven't 475 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: heard that in a really one time. I think you 476 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: were the only uh past lover I had that helped 477 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: me and I really did like it. Do you mind 478 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: if I call you lover? I think it's a fun 479 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: I know it's such a ridiculous word. Taylor Swift got 480 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: me into it, but you, uh, what was I just 481 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: get us. Oh the way you go Hi, Nick. It 482 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: reminded me of when Jennif Franston and Brad Pitt had 483 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: to do a zoom over U COVID. They were like 484 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: doing some kind of reunion and she goes Hi high 485 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,959 Speaker 1: Pit and he goes hey, hey Anniston. No, he goes 486 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: hey Anniston, she goes hi Pit And then that was 487 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: like it and it was like, oh, it was just 488 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: such like so ever winded me of that. But I 489 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: think we're on better terms now. Although this is the 490 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: first time we will be talking in not voice memo 491 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: in almost ten years. Totally. There were the texts, there 492 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: were the voice messages, yeah, the memos. But this is wild. 493 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: It is Nikki. This is like a historic reunion. To me, 494 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: this is a big deal. I know. I don't want 495 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: to I don't want to reiterate everything that we talked 496 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: about that I already set up, like the whole thing 497 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: that happened, But just to give a just for checking 498 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: people up, Zack and I dated from God. I want 499 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: to say how long were we think it was like 500 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: back half five months? Yeah, about five months. We started 501 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: out as friends. I met him at the what was 502 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: that festival? The bridge Town in Portland's right. We met 503 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: that No, I saw you at the backyard party. Yeah, 504 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: I saw you at that backyard party. That's when I 505 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: was first like a clock it and go after that one. 506 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: And then I remember meeting you at that party and 507 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: being like that person is interesting, you know, like you 508 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: just meet people and you're like, there is my path 509 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: goes towards that person. Thank you, I felt the last 510 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: you would have been happy. Yes, your mother is a rabbi. 511 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: How is your mother by the way, good? Good? Um 512 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: uh that my mother's are good. They're both great. Uh. 513 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: My dad has transition. So you you did the right 514 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: thing by saying that. Um uh. Yeah. So that party, 515 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: but then we went to so then we started hanging 516 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: out because we had mutual friends Shawn Pearlman and Mike Caplin. 517 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: Shawn Pearlman was in l A at the time, so 518 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: we would all hang out. I remember one time I 519 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: liked you so much and like I didn't I hadn't 520 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: told you yet. This was maybe after I had told 521 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: you and we were just friends or something. I think 522 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: this is okay. So we went to Bridgetown Festival. You 523 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: were there too. We hung out the whole time. It 524 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: was like definitely flirty and fun or like, at least 525 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: from my perspective, he was keeping it so professional, like no, 526 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't get a read. But this was the time 527 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: in my life where I just told guys I liked them. 528 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: Eventually I would just like go, like, I like you, 529 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: what's going on? You walked to me in my hotel room, 530 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: like maybe the last night of Bridgetown, and I was like, 531 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: I think I said, can we like kiss or something 532 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: like I think I said that line, and you were like, 533 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: I have a girl friend, and I'm like what? And 534 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: then I was like who that you said? Jennifer? You 535 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: said Jennifer Anderson. Now you said you said your girlfriend 536 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: at the time, who I knew? And I go, oh, well, 537 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: at least I have we have good I knew I 538 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: have good taste because that's someone who I respect comedically 539 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: and as a friend. And I was like, I had 540 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: no idea. I'm so embarrassed, and you were so lovely 541 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: to be like, don't be embarrassed, like obviously we get 542 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: along and like this wasn't something to like that. There's 543 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: no indication that you should have not done that, And 544 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: I feel that's so nice, like you were. You handled 545 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: it the way that your girlfriend would have wanted you 546 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: too at the time, and the way that I I 547 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: felt just like very taken care of. Do you have 548 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: any memories of that? You yes, And actually my memory 549 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: of it is that it wasn't the last night of 550 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 1: the comedy festival and you said it, and I was like, 551 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: I'm dating someone, and then we were like, oh okay, 552 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: and then there was like a really good recovery and 553 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: we were just cool the rest of the time. And 554 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: I thought, I too, thought like what a cool thing 555 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: to do to just bravely tell someone I'm into you 556 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: and then just let it happen. Uh, And I was 557 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: I remember thinking it was cool that we sort of 558 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: like stuck the landing of that and powered through any 559 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: awkwardness and it was fine. We did because it was 560 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: like it it actually brought us like closer and gave 561 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: us the ability to become better friends, which then led 562 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: to us being set up to be together when your 563 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: relationship ended, not by any doing of mine, because I 564 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: I completely p no. I mean, I've done that in 565 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: the past to her just because she's too funny, and 566 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: I've done like witchcraft that she gets loses her voice 567 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: or something. I've tried to ursula her but and not. 568 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: I really actually was like, oh, that's cool, you're dating 569 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: someone I like, And it just made me feel like, Okay, 570 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: I was right, but I did wish that you guys 571 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: ended How long after did you break up with her? 572 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: And then how did you read bridge? Was probably in 573 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: the spring and then I think we probably got together. 574 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: I think that ended pretty quickly after. And I think 575 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: that why we were already connecting is because that relationship 576 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: was maybe on its way out like something like not 577 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: not because we were having a floortation, but like maybe 578 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: I don't know Zach that I'm not telling we clear 579 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: on the timeline of But what I do specifically remember 580 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: is that right after we broke up, you and I 581 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: were both at Chicago, JFL. And we like ran into 582 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: each other. It's right like that where we first hooked up, 583 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: Like how are things going in your relationship? And I 584 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,959 Speaker 1: was like, we broke up and I remember we were 585 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: having God we both looked at each other like you know, 586 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: there was like, yes, did we did we first like 587 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: get intimate there in CHICAO. I think we sort of 588 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: knew it happen and then yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, And 589 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: I was still drinking then, so this is all like 590 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: fuzzy and I could only kiss boys and like have 591 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: sex or do anything if I was fucked up, not 592 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: because I didn't like the person I was doing it with. 593 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: It was just so nervous. So my my memory is 594 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: hazy of this time. We had a very PG smooth sash. 595 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: It was oh good, yeah, now you were it was you. 596 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: I have to say, Um, I've dated like a lot 597 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: of bad people and a lot of good people, and 598 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: you are on the good list with um a few 599 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: others where I was like, oh okay, like this pattern 600 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: of dating unavailable people that aren't right for me. I 601 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: do have it in me to be attracted to people 602 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: who would like treat me well and and Zach, you 603 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: are one of those. And I've had I've had several 604 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: of those that give me hope that when I'm when 605 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: I go for someone who's an F boy, F boy 606 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: island coming to uh that that I thank you so much. 607 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: So then I invited him to Lollapalooza because we were 608 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: I was living in St. Louis at the time. No, 609 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: I wasn't even your cares. Yes, invited to Lolla Palooza. 610 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: How did Chicago in there? Just for the kiss that 611 00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: one za. There's there's so much nick we need likes 612 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: to unpack everything. Yeah, yeah, um Chicago. We we made 613 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: out the last night. Uh, it was very PG I did. 614 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: I was like crashing on some You had like higher 615 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: JFL status than I did, and I was crashing on 616 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: some dide shitty couch like way out in the middle 617 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: of nowhere. I had to take a train into the 618 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: festival and stuff, and you were like, I'm leaving at 619 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: four o'clock in the morning. Just stay over in my 620 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: hotel room. And I made out. We passed out. You 621 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: woke up. I like, I don't remember you leaving, but 622 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: I remember I woke up in your nice hotel room 623 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:35,959 Speaker 1: and I was like, this is so much better than 624 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: staying on that guy. Oh my god, I love that. 625 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: That's so I love that. Uh yeah, that's that's that's 626 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: that's why I stand by that move. I would do 627 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: that again for you. Um. And then and then we 628 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: went to Lollapalooza, which is a big deal. I would 629 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: always it was with my best friends from college. It 630 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: was like my biggest event, like the most fun thing 631 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: I do all year. We go to Chicago, we run 632 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: a room, a couple of rooms, and we all get 633 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: wasted and go to shows and stuff and um, and 634 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: I invited Zach. My friends were obsessed with you, like 635 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: a little too much. I mean, we're not going to 636 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: talk about the thing that made it was just it 637 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: was one of the I will say, yes, I will 638 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: not say, but there was a um, there was a 639 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: friend in our group that was a straight man who 640 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: loved Zach, like loved Zack so much and was like, 641 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: he's the coolest guy. One night, we we were in 642 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: two queen beds that were in the same room as 643 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: this guy and one night, um, he tried to get 644 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: in bed and cuddle with Zack. Is that right, Zack. 645 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,479 Speaker 1: I only have the haziest memory of this, but I 646 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: definitely remember that it was a thing that weekend that 647 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: you were like, that guy is really really hanging out. Look, 648 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: when you listen to Gin Blossoms all day, it's gonna 649 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: do it to you. And I think back then I 650 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: was like, he's probably gay. But the truth is I 651 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: think that he be a little bit on this. Like 652 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: everyone's sexuality is fluid, and I wouldn't I'm never gonna 653 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: That guy is now married to a woman, and like 654 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: that doesn't make me question his relationship at all. That 655 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: he was maybe attracted to Zach who I you know, 656 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: I don't blame him. He was again good taste. But 657 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: that was like a thing that really like no one's 658 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: talked about since. And I'm like, there's no shame in it. 659 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: It was cute. He was wasted, and he just wanted 660 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: affection from a guy that like he felt really close to. 661 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: He just wanted to be loved. I think that guy 662 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: was in a band. He climbed in on the other side, 663 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: I think with Zack while I was and we were 664 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: all really drunk. I mean, like in this guy really drinks, 665 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: probably because he's you know, suppressing these things that he 666 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: has for men. Sometimes that has nothing to be ashamed of. 667 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: And like, I think something I've been told by people 668 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: that I sometimes give off, like a camp counselor friendly 669 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: camp counselor vibe the one the molested you. You climb 670 00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: into the bunction, you know, like he needed a little 671 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: camp counseling. No, you um do all your chores and 672 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: saying this, but you have the did you go to 673 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: Jewish camp? Oh? Yeah, never mind. Sorry, I don't want to. 674 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't want that. I think you'll be 675 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: comfortable with me saying this. But I've read all these 676 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: books about how to trick men into loving you because 677 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: I was just interested in this psychology of like attraction 678 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: and like what men like. And I learned about like 679 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: female and male energy, like the yin and yang, which 680 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: people men hate to be like I have a feminine 681 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: energy that means I'm gay, but you are a for all, 682 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: I know a very straight man who has I think 683 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: you have feminine energy, and I think that's why when 684 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: I was like, I like you, I like I was 685 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: the one that was like pushing it forward, like I 686 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: made the booze. But then you also are extremely masculine 687 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: in ways and we would like. I think that he 688 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: sensed that an energy, the feminine energy of you that 689 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: isn't meaning that you are like a woman, but that 690 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: is like nurturing and that's what he needed so bad, 691 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: and that's what I need. I mean, that's why I 692 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: was attracted to you. So do you do you think 693 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: that in relationships, are you um usually the one that 694 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: makes the first move, because that's usually indicating what you 695 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: are like, what's your do you do? You subscribe to 696 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: the feminine masculine energy. I'm very comfortable being described as 697 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: having feminine energy, and I thought I'd have to think 698 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: more about that. Am I usually the one who makes 699 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 1: the first move thing? I want you to think about 700 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: it because I think that's you know I I'm trying 701 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: to tend to I want to be more in a 702 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: feminine energy, and it's against my nature as a stand 703 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: up comic, as a female stand up. Male stand up 704 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: comics are male performers are generally female energy, even though 705 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: and female stand ups are generally masculine energy because we're 706 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 1: like loud and on stage and like requiring attention and masculine. 707 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: It takes like a lot of emotion and vulnerability to 708 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 1: get up there as a man and share your feelings 709 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: in even comedic or or musical ways. So I was 710 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: told by the woman that wrote the book Getting Too 711 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: I Do, which is all about this, that male comics 712 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: or male performers are generally feminine energy, and that it 713 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: wasn't a bad choice for me, as a masculine energy 714 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: woman to always be attracted to them, because I felt 715 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: like some kind of fault in that moving forward. Can 716 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: I say a couple of things at this point. One 717 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: is my natural impulses to thank people when they compliment me. 718 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: And you've said like ten nice things about me, and 719 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: your friends thinking I was cool and me being like 720 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: the kind of guy who gave you hope about your 721 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: dating instincts. So let me just issue because the conversation 722 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: is flying fast and furious. Uh So, you know, thank 723 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: you for all this stuff. I really appreciate it. Also, 724 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: I just want to report you I was a little 725 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: nervous coming on, not because I was like afraid that 726 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,439 Speaker 1: something bad was I guess I was afraid that something 727 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 1: bad was going to happen, but not any specific thing, 728 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: just like it's been so long, and it's hilarious to 729 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: me that like instantly it's like my old bud and 730 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: it's it's an amens relief and I'm having I can 731 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: wait to see you again and be friends with you 732 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: again because and like go to lunch like I was 733 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: just in l A and I go fun. I didn't 734 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: reach up to Zach. I don't really have time, but 735 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: you really are someone that now when I'm thinking about 736 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: moving to l A and trying to figure out like 737 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: who are my friends gonna be? Who will I hang 738 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: out with? I really hope that you're someone on that 739 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: list that we can be like regular friends. Lizzie Cooperman, 740 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: who's one of my best friends, has over the years 741 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: that I haven't talked to Zach because long story short, 742 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: Zach went to a little Blues with me. We had 743 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: the best time. We went back, he met my family. 744 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: They loved him so much. We hung out in St. 745 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: Louis a bit. Then I was in New York. I 746 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: got this pilot for the MTV show. I was just 747 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: feeling distance between us. It just like wasn't gonna sustain 748 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: itself and it was losing steam. We called it off. 749 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: Then he opened for me on a show a month 750 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: later because I was like, we should stay friends. Were 751 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: good at being friends. He opened for me on a 752 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: show a month later, and you went on the road 753 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: with me a little bit. I went on the road 754 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: with you. It was like I was a huge fan 755 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: of yours, you are a fan of mine. It was 756 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: like fun to watch each other's shows. And you had 757 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: written a song about me. I think, uh, prior to 758 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: the one that I'm going to talk about that was 759 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: about like how cute I was when I slept like 760 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: about like looking like a roly poly buck, like I 761 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: just cut in on the internet. I'll send it to you. 762 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: I'll send it to you that I didn't know. I know, 763 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: I didn't let you talk to me, so that it's 764 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: so nice. So he had written me this, I've never 765 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: had a song written about me like touches me in 766 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: a way that I almost I'm getting Verklempt talking about 767 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: it because it was so sweet. And so then we 768 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,919 Speaker 1: met up about a month or so after we had 769 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: decided to break up, and he was opening for me 770 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: on a show, and I had quit drinking a week before. 771 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: I didn't really know how to handle my anger or feelings, uh, 772 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: and was kind of like in this new space of 773 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,720 Speaker 1: like what do I do with my feelings and life? 774 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,240 Speaker 1: And I was also like maybe we'll hook up again, 775 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: like I still like one last you know, Yeah, And 776 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: then Zach decided to a be a song that he 777 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: had worked on in the time between we broke up 778 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: and um the performance, and this would be to sit 779 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 1: through if you and I hadn't had the exchange that 780 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,439 Speaker 1: we've already had, I'm like forcing myself to power through 781 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 1: hearing this, but please go. I know, and that's why 782 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm just like, because people have already heard it, it 783 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, and it's water under the bridge. And I 784 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: have done similar things even in recent time that have 785 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: reminded me of the choice that you made there that 786 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: we've all done, which is like, we're hurt, we decided 787 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: to write a joke or a thing. We put it 788 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 1: into our act and we do that thing in front 789 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: of a person to let them know how we really 790 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: feel because we weren't able to say it that And 791 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: so Zach decided to write a song that was about 792 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,959 Speaker 1: one time and I remember this, I was like such 793 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: a drunk. We were back at your place. I ate 794 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: a disgusting salad that I remember, it's awful onions and 795 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: stuff on it. And then we kissed afterwards, which is 796 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: something I do a lot of times with guys. I'll 797 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: kiss them and be like, dude, it's kicking like this, 798 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: my breath is terrible like and I remember even saying 799 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: that at the time, and you took that moment and 800 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: wrote it into a song that was like about a 801 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 1: girl with bad breath, which is really it was actually 802 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: beautifully written from what I remember and like very good, 803 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: which almost hurt more because I was like the effort 804 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: that went into it. So after he got off stage, 805 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: you know the whole story. You can go back and 806 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: listen to it on the past podcast because I don't 807 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: want to go into detail because we're moving on and 808 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: I'm not saying the past of the past. But he's 809 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: been accountable for it. I have been accountable for my 810 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 1: behavior in it. But he got off stage and I 811 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: did the thing that I did depeately, and then I've 812 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 1: done to a couple of guys that have like crossed 813 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 1: me in the past, and I said, never speak to 814 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: me again. And I think you thought it was just 815 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: like something I was saying, but I really was like, literally, 816 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: I never want to talk to you again. It's over. 817 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,919 Speaker 1: And I never talked again. When you were doing this song, 818 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: did you have any like feeling that, Okay, maybe this 819 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: is over, like while you're we're performing it, or like before, 820 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,800 Speaker 1: were you just like, no, this is a silly song. 821 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: Did you have any inclination that she could take it? 822 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,280 Speaker 1: I feel I have to, like I'm so like I'm 823 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 1: overcoming like just bad feelings about that night and the 824 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: subsequent like immediate aftermath, just to be in this conversation 825 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,919 Speaker 1: right now. But I thank you so much for having 826 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: this conversation. So it's so cathartic to have it. It's 827 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: such a pleasure, and honestly having it was ten years 828 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,720 Speaker 1: ago weird and yet said in those first text to you, 829 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: because it got like preserved in Amber all those years. 830 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: It still feels like in some ways, it still feels 831 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: like it just happened. But I honestly want to nod 832 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 1: to Andrew for being here. It's so uh pleasant to 833 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: have this like benevolent presence around to sort of like 834 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 1: I feel like you're the couple's therapist for this interaction 835 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: because you're this like nice third party adjudicator. You've got 836 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 1: some skin in the game that it was. It didn't 837 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: happen to you, So I'm glad you're here. Um. But 838 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: but I read the lyrics and I'm not actually pleased 839 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:42,399 Speaker 1: with you. I think no I wrote them. I wrote 840 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 1: a version of myself. Me and Zach worked on the 841 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: song behind your Back. You're no and Andrew and Zack. 842 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,839 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't introduce you to each other. You're 843 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: going to be best friends. We're both Jews. We went 844 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: to Jewish Summer Camp, like they're going to be on 845 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 1: the show again and we're gonna explore anything other than 846 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: this story. But what happened was I and then Zach 847 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: reached out to me. Zach, I'm sorry, I'm started to interrupt, 848 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 1: but I know you're not allowed to never talk to 849 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 1: me again. This is what I was afraid. Wow, yeah, 850 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: tell the answer answer Andrew's question, because I think I 851 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 1: know my recollection is that. Okay, So I wrote Pillbugs, 852 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: the song about how you slept curled up like a 853 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 1: rolly Polly, which was such a nice thing. Because also, 854 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: do you remember that I had written a song for 855 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 1: about another woman I dated, and you were like, I 856 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 1: really liked that song, but it was not it was 857 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: not super kind to her, Like maybe that's why I 858 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 1: like everything. I'm sure. I was like, no, I think 859 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: it's sweet. I'm sure I gave you like a green 860 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: light to maybe get a little bit christ. So then 861 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 1: I remember standing in the basement of that club and 862 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: you and I had seen each other. It was the 863 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: first time we saw each other. We had we've gone 864 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: out to dinner, but we hadn't like really like been alone. 865 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: And we've had this long since the breakup, and it 866 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: just was like kind of cordial, but like was weird 867 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,439 Speaker 1: and stiff, and I was like part of it. One 868 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle is that I was obsessed with 869 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: doing new material. I was so insecure about what I 870 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: was doing on stage that I was like, well, I'll 871 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: make up for it with prolific nous for not knowing 872 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: what the funk I'm doing. And so I had written 873 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,840 Speaker 1: this new song and it was the most recent substantive 874 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,280 Speaker 1: thing I'd written. And also Boston was where I started, 875 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: and so being back in Boston and not doing anything 876 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 1: new to me was like, uh, it was like an 877 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 1: admission of defeat. Like I'd gone to l A and 878 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,439 Speaker 1: wasn't doing it. I didn't even think about that. Oh, Zack, 879 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,839 Speaker 1: that makes so much sense. And so I remember coming 880 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 1: up to you and being like Nikki. Mike and I 881 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: talked about it, and I was like, should I even 882 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,799 Speaker 1: think about doing it? And he was like, it's your 883 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 1: new thing. You could talk about it with her. We 884 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: kind of tried to gain So I went up to 885 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 1: a l I went up to you and the up 886 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,800 Speaker 1: and I was like, Nikki, I wrote a song and 887 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: I'm not I just want to and you were like, 888 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: just go for it, don't worry about it. And I 889 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,919 Speaker 1: remember being like, I'm just I'm gonna do it, even 890 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 1: though some warning bells are going off. Well, I remember 891 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: you having that kind of like face with it, which 892 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,479 Speaker 1: it wasn't like there was something that you were worried about. 893 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 1: And I didn't know if it was because it was 894 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: like something that I would be offended by, or because 895 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't ready or something like you had a hesitation 896 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: of like should I do this new song. I didn't 897 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,879 Speaker 1: know if the worry was it was new, or that 898 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: it was about you and might hurt your feelings. And 899 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,959 Speaker 1: I just was like, just do And I remember saying 900 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 1: to you, you know me, you know what I'd get 901 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: offended by, just like and then I remember Zach so 902 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: clearly turning to Mike, who was standing there. Knew the song, 903 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: my capa and our friend who had facilitated us kind 904 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: of being together was someone that I was like, Oh 905 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,800 Speaker 1: my god, Zax friends with Mike. I love Mike. Anyone 906 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 1: who Mike is close to is like, I'm ready to 907 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 1: marry them because Mike is just a good person and 908 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: I just trusted him, and so I go to Mike 909 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: and I go, you've heard the song, I go, do 910 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: you think i'd care or something? And and Mike. I 911 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 1: remember Mike going like kind of hesitating and be like, 912 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 1: I think you should do it. But I remember the 913 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 1: hesitation and being like I should have heeded that and 914 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 1: said no or asked what it was about, because I 915 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: gave you the green light, so I I told you 916 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: to do it, and then you did it, and my 917 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: soul left my body during the performance, and I cried. 918 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: I went in the green room and cried during Mike 919 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 1: set because I was just like so I was just 920 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,439 Speaker 1: embarrassed because it was like my biggest fears, like having 921 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,880 Speaker 1: bad breath, and like all I do was like and 922 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: I was just getting out of drinking, which I told 923 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 1: Zack and Um in our voice memos, like so much 924 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 1: of my shame about that song was not about that 925 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: this person who it was about a person who I 926 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 1: thought cared about me, like I thought bad things about 927 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 1: me and like spent time writing the song, But it 928 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: was more about the fact that the song was about 929 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 1: me being gross and it was just one time, like 930 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: Zach even told me later, it was just one time, 931 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 1: and maybe it was more than that I have bad breath. 932 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: I'm human, but back then, just like you were insecure 933 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,799 Speaker 1: about new material, which I totally understand. I was two 934 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 1: back then, especially in your home club and Boston. I 935 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 1: know how you feel about Boston and how you feel 936 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 1: about new material, and your new material is like a 937 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: three and a half minute chunk or sometimes that takes 938 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,839 Speaker 1: so much longer than me writing a couple of lines. 939 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,800 Speaker 1: So I get all of that, and and I also 940 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 1: appreciate that you were able to channel your feelings about 941 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 1: me in that moment into a song, Like you worked 942 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 1: through some stuff with that song, some anger, which I 943 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 1: think is kind of cool and should you have done 944 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: in front of me? No, But we were young and dumb. 945 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,959 Speaker 1: But it made me feel like I was gross, which 946 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: was already my biggest deep down secret is like I 947 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 1: keep my drinking and and and the reason I was 948 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 1: gross that night because I was drinking and I ate 949 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,720 Speaker 1: something late at night. It was attached to my eating disorder. 950 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,799 Speaker 1: It was attached to my messy room that I have 951 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,319 Speaker 1: been because of my a d h D that I 952 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: wasn't diagnosed with, and thought it was just my fault 953 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: because I'm gross, um just being just always feeling gross 954 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 1: my whole life and being and not even talking about 955 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,640 Speaker 1: that fear because I was so scared that I put 956 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,879 Speaker 1: in someone's mind and then they would be like, yeah, 957 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 1: that's true about you. And that's why I just quit 958 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 1: drinking to kind of get away from the grossness. And 959 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,920 Speaker 1: then this was validation that yes, you are gross. And 960 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,240 Speaker 1: it wasn't those Zach if I would have been listening, 961 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,040 Speaker 1: it was it was a scapegoat for me to put 962 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,319 Speaker 1: all of my like self hatred into and go. He 963 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,719 Speaker 1: made me feel that way, and that's what when people go. 964 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,359 Speaker 1: He made me feel that way. I chose that thing 965 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,759 Speaker 1: was an excuse for me to go. That's that's why 966 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,960 Speaker 1: I hate myself as because someone actually told me in 967 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,319 Speaker 1: a song that it's not me just hating myself. It's 968 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,759 Speaker 1: like that was validated, and that's what it was all 969 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,799 Speaker 1: wrapped around, was my drinking. Because you do have a 970 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: cam counselor vibe and I would say, you are actually 971 00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 1: like a good like he's extreme, yes he person when 972 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 1: someone is good, and then they do like one thing 973 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 1: that's not great, whatever however you want to view it, 974 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 1: it like sticks out and I feel like sometimes it's 975 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: like the Trump is m of like he's always an asshole. 976 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,799 Speaker 1: So when he's an asshole, everyone's like, that's who he is, 977 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 1: So you're going to getst the grain. So sometimes I 978 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 1: feel like you get you get more ship for doing 979 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,680 Speaker 1: like one bad thing when you're too nice. I always 980 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:31,359 Speaker 1: said that it was totally out of character for him 981 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:37,160 Speaker 1: to be to be um confrontational or to be critical. Um. 982 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,319 Speaker 1: We both talked about people, and we both had the 983 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 1: character defect of like not being authentic with our word 984 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 1: that we're probably better at now. But um, yeah, it 985 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 1: was a departure from how it was. It was such 986 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,759 Speaker 1: a wild year for me and I had like I 987 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: was so confused about comedy. I was like, I've had 988 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,319 Speaker 1: two major long distance breakups in the year. Um. I 989 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:05,040 Speaker 1: was really confused about my feelings about you specifically. UM 990 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,920 Speaker 1: I wrote that song. I was just grasping for stuff 991 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,560 Speaker 1: to write about. UM. So it just was a ship 992 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,399 Speaker 1: storm and I I love you saying that you left 993 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,359 Speaker 1: your body. When I was writing that song, it's so 994 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,400 Speaker 1: or when I was performing it, it's so relatable and 995 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,480 Speaker 1: I'm thinking it was kind of over a fast beat 996 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 1: and the lyrics were like rapid fire, so I'm thinking 997 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,680 Speaker 1: about me and how much I mean, I'm laughing, but 998 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 1: it's also like I just couldn't believe it, Like to 999 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,480 Speaker 1: do a song that like I remember not fucking the 1000 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,719 Speaker 1: lyrics up because it's like a thing to you know, 1001 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 1: I have to like practice and practice, so not only 1002 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,960 Speaker 1: write it, but like driving around l A practicing it 1003 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,719 Speaker 1: and then being on stage like vigorously sticking the performance 1004 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,360 Speaker 1: of this song that would like funk up a really 1005 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,880 Speaker 1: important part of my life for a decade and me 1006 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,560 Speaker 1: just like blithely up there like rocking the mic for 1007 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,120 Speaker 1: this crowd of people being like you know, not that 1008 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,960 Speaker 1: they were like going out of their minds for the song, 1009 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,920 Speaker 1: but they were like a there was vineral action to remember, 1010 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 1: like it was watching myself in my memory. Performance is 1011 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,440 Speaker 1: like when you're watching a horror movie and the person 1012 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,600 Speaker 1: like puts their foot in the swimming pool, where like 1013 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,040 Speaker 1: the bloodthirsty alligator is You're like stop, do not, but 1014 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,400 Speaker 1: your powerless to do anything about it. I feel like 1015 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:25,040 Speaker 1: everyone at someday, I actually, I bet, I think you 1016 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,120 Speaker 1: should bring it back, And I think there's a way 1017 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,799 Speaker 1: that we can, like and I can write a verse 1018 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 1: two in response that you can help me. Oh ship, 1019 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,960 Speaker 1: but you know what about his bad asshole or something. No, 1020 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:36,920 Speaker 1: he has a great asshole. I have a shot, but 1021 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,279 Speaker 1: that was going to happen. Um, but Zack, I just 1022 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,160 Speaker 1: want to say, because we got to get to the news. 1023 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,839 Speaker 1: I remember, and I just want validation of this. I 1024 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,840 Speaker 1: remember you getting off stage and I saw your eyes 1025 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 1: and like your expression and you kind of walked into me. 1026 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,799 Speaker 1: Maybe this is something I've painted in my mind because 1027 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,760 Speaker 1: I've told the story so many times on so many podcasts. 1028 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard them where you just walked at 1029 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 1: me and you just you after you got a stage 1030 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,759 Speaker 1: and you looked like you look you just go like 1031 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,799 Speaker 1: it was like this, like I fucked up. Like you 1032 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,600 Speaker 1: knew you might have sensed like my energy in the 1033 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 1: room the second you looked at me. You knew it 1034 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,879 Speaker 1: was thinking even though the performance was great, the song 1035 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 1: was great, and everyone loved you. I mean, then you 1036 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,399 Speaker 1: closed with be it brought down the house. It's like hard. 1037 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 1: I had to put Mike up to like bring them 1038 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,399 Speaker 1: back down. No offense to Mike, but like get them 1039 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:30,360 Speaker 1: sit because he's so good, and I think I m before, 1040 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,480 Speaker 1: oh yeah, he that's why I was attracted to do. 1041 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,000 Speaker 1: Mostly it's like how fucking talented you were, and it 1042 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,479 Speaker 1: was an honor to even be a subject of your song, 1043 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,600 Speaker 1: even if it was this one. But I just remember 1044 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,400 Speaker 1: seeing you and knowing that you knew you sucked up? 1045 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,239 Speaker 1: Did you feel that walking off stages? Let me say 1046 00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,320 Speaker 1: a few things beginning with answering this question, and I 1047 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:51,960 Speaker 1: know I need to move on, so I'll make it snappy. 1048 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,440 Speaker 1: I I think I was checking in with you, like 1049 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,239 Speaker 1: flicking my eyes towards you throughout the performance to see 1050 00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 1: what was happening. So I'm sure I knew midway through 1051 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,959 Speaker 1: that like basically this part of my life was over. 1052 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,279 Speaker 1: And then there's definitely no way that I would have 1053 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,160 Speaker 1: approached you and like gone through the state of the 1054 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,279 Speaker 1: crowd at Motley's to like back in the at the 1055 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,319 Speaker 1: back wall where you were standing and not been able 1056 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,239 Speaker 1: to pick up from your body language that something was 1057 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,520 Speaker 1: seriously wrong. So yes, I ravivate that memory for sure. 1058 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 1: And I remember you standing back against that one back 1059 00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,680 Speaker 1: wall and just being like, oh boy, this is going 1060 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,839 Speaker 1: to be wild. Were you in the back slowly going 1061 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:32,440 Speaker 1: like smelling your own breath? Next? Because I knew I 1062 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,479 Speaker 1: knew the time he was talking about, and I really 1063 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,400 Speaker 1: did know that I wasn't like a stinky person and 1064 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,560 Speaker 1: like or you know something, No, I am a stinky 1065 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,839 Speaker 1: person because I'm sucking human. But and I wasn't taking 1066 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 1: care of myself then because I was drinking too much. 1067 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,640 Speaker 1: So it makes sense like I was stinkier than I 1068 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,640 Speaker 1: am now. Also, let me say I chew gum compulsively 1069 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,359 Speaker 1: and I'm super always self aware about my breath. It's 1070 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,960 Speaker 1: it came from my security inside me as well. Yes, 1071 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,080 Speaker 1: I had to quit gum actually because I was so 1072 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,080 Speaker 1: obsessed with gum. It was more related to like eating disorder. 1073 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:00,799 Speaker 1: But I'm coming up on a year of no and 1074 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,799 Speaker 1: I literally used to do like three packs a day, 1075 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,920 Speaker 1: like cigarettes. It was disgusting. So August I was a 1076 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,239 Speaker 1: tried on haead. I spent more money on tried to 1077 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,040 Speaker 1: than like people do on car insurance and like they're 1078 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,120 Speaker 1: and you had a certain kind of Yet it was 1079 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,320 Speaker 1: light blue that no one sold. It's winter winter Fresh 1080 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:19,800 Speaker 1: if you want to winter green, I think is the 1081 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,439 Speaker 1: nut name, but it's light blue. It's the best tried 1082 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:22,840 Speaker 1: and gum. If you're if you're someone who's not a 1083 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:27,280 Speaker 1: gum addict. You should try it, um, But I remember um. 1084 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: I was next to Emmy blot Nick, who I had 1085 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: told Zach wrote a song about me. I wonder what 1086 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 1: it was, and she remember her, but it was so 1087 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,040 Speaker 1: nice to have her there because she was just like, 1088 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,319 Speaker 1: it's okay, like and then we went back in the 1089 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,200 Speaker 1: green room. I think during Mike set, after I had 1090 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,160 Speaker 1: told you never talked to me again, how dare you 1091 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,040 Speaker 1: do that? I went back in the green room, shed 1092 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,640 Speaker 1: a little tears, and then went out and I had 1093 00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:50,080 Speaker 1: a great set because I was so angry, and you 1094 00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,960 Speaker 1: know what this story has brought me before in my life. 1095 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,080 Speaker 1: It's like, actually that implies that, like I have the 1096 00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,160 Speaker 1: ability to throw you, a consummate professional, off your game. 1097 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,319 Speaker 1: I'm sure it happens. Good stuff happens before Zack you did, 1098 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,680 Speaker 1: but it's like it was. I'm grateful for this because 1099 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,000 Speaker 1: obviously it's given me so much fodder because it is 1100 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,320 Speaker 1: such a good story and now it's brought I'm always 1101 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,480 Speaker 1: glad when we have I have conflicts with friends, even 1102 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:22,440 Speaker 1: if it's ten years of not talking. Because Pete Lee 1103 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,840 Speaker 1: and I after eleven years of not talking because of 1104 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,080 Speaker 1: a similar ish thing because I said a boundary that 1105 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,400 Speaker 1: he was not allowed to cross by any means. We 1106 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,480 Speaker 1: are now like so freaking close that we wouldn't have 1107 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,600 Speaker 1: been that way if we would have just been friends anyway. 1108 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,160 Speaker 1: And Zach, I feel like our future as friends is 1109 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 1: going to be, like, will be at each other's weddings, 1110 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,359 Speaker 1: will be at each other's funerals, like I know now 1111 00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,360 Speaker 1: like that we each other. Yeah, like one of us 1112 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:48,840 Speaker 1: will be at each other's. I always say that to 1113 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,000 Speaker 1: new friends. I go, You're either gonna be a mine 1114 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,200 Speaker 1: or I'm gonna be at yours. It's a true thing 1115 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,839 Speaker 1: that's going to happen, so um, you can actually blow 1116 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,839 Speaker 1: off mine if you have something else. I always give 1117 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,719 Speaker 1: extend that my funeral if I die, my friends can 1118 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,520 Speaker 1: all blow it off because it's the only thing that 1119 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,239 Speaker 1: you actually don't have to show up for for me 1120 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,880 Speaker 1: because I'm dead and I honestly don't care. So process 1121 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,839 Speaker 1: it anyway you want, and please perform that song amos 1122 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,840 Speaker 1: at all um the roly poly one, because roly polies 1123 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,280 Speaker 1: are gonna be eating my flesh soon in about twenty 1124 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,680 Speaker 1: years the wold. But Zach, I do want to say 1125 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,120 Speaker 1: that I'm grateful for it, and you did try to 1126 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,759 Speaker 1: reach out to me over the years, and you made 1127 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,480 Speaker 1: amazing amends and apologies that I wasn't able to accept. 1128 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,040 Speaker 1: Uh in the days following, the weeks following, the months following, 1129 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:37,600 Speaker 1: in the years following, extended apologies took accountability was no 1130 00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,840 Speaker 1: no part of your apologies were ever but this it 1131 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,919 Speaker 1: was always like I did wrong. Here's what I did. 1132 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,880 Speaker 1: I would really like to be friends again, and I 1133 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,160 Speaker 1: was not ready to let that go because it felt 1134 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,600 Speaker 1: it was still an excuse for me to be like, 1135 00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,160 Speaker 1: that's why I feel like I'm gross because he wrote 1136 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:53,920 Speaker 1: that song and if I, if I let him off 1137 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,120 Speaker 1: the hook, then I have to just feel gross because 1138 00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,719 Speaker 1: of something. And I wasn't ready to unless you're you 1139 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,840 Speaker 1: and to accept apology in which you're really ready. I 1140 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,799 Speaker 1: will say though, that on Yam Kapor and like two 1141 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:08,799 Speaker 1: thousand maybe fifteen, you wrote to me said it was 1142 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,799 Speaker 1: Yam Kapoor asked for forgiveness, beautiful email. I was with 1143 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,239 Speaker 1: my parents and I was like, and I'm not kidding music. 1144 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,719 Speaker 1: I couldn't listen to rap music after that that the 1145 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,799 Speaker 1: song that you performed, because I just associated it all 1146 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,040 Speaker 1: with like I felt like how like Kim felt from 1147 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,400 Speaker 1: eminem Like, I was like, I never I didn't enjoy 1148 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,399 Speaker 1: by the way I was thinking about that that we did. 1149 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:35,799 Speaker 1: It was so good. Really no, maybe did he wear 1150 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:41,880 Speaker 1: an orange jump? Sorry? No, that's so funny though, but 1151 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,200 Speaker 1: I really couldn't enjoy. It was the same time, the 1152 00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,000 Speaker 1: same thing that happened with Taylor Swift. When I thought 1153 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,759 Speaker 1: I had defended Taylor Swift and had like a bad 1154 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,560 Speaker 1: thing with her, I couldn't listen to her music anymore 1155 00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,840 Speaker 1: until I apologize. And as soon as I accepted your apology, 1156 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,640 Speaker 1: it had been a couple of years since I really 1157 00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,840 Speaker 1: enjoyed rap. I was like, all of a sudden, I 1158 00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,520 Speaker 1: was like drawn to rap again. I was like, oh 1159 00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,239 Speaker 1: my god, I go. I don't want to be but 1160 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,360 Speaker 1: I forgive you, and I really did. And then you 1161 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,920 Speaker 1: brought it up on um. You made it weird, the 1162 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,879 Speaker 1: story up on You made it weird the Pete Holmes 1163 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,680 Speaker 1: Show because Mike Kaplan had given Pete Holmes that little 1164 00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,399 Speaker 1: nugget to bring up with you. You were so good 1165 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:13,759 Speaker 1: in that interview, being like I don't want to talk 1166 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,440 Speaker 1: about I don't want to talk about it, like knowing 1167 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,560 Speaker 1: that it was a bad place to go. Pete kept prying, 1168 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,840 Speaker 1: and I think you also, Pete was in a position 1169 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,040 Speaker 1: of like you're on the show, Pete is like super 1170 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,480 Speaker 1: famous at the time, You're like even feeling like why 1171 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:27,880 Speaker 1: amn't even on the show? Like you just want to 1172 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,120 Speaker 1: give him what he wants? And you probably he brought 1173 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,120 Speaker 1: it along and you handled it. You talked about it 1174 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,200 Speaker 1: as delicately as you could. But it's still brought up 1175 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,399 Speaker 1: stuff for me where I go, Okay, forgiveness revoked, I'm 1176 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna hate my only word. Can I ask questions 1177 00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,160 Speaker 1: that after this whole ordeal went down, did it make 1178 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,760 Speaker 1: you gun shy on like writing stuff about other people? 1179 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,279 Speaker 1: Like do you think it might have hindered you creatively 1180 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,800 Speaker 1: because of a reaction that might have not have necessarily 1181 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,960 Speaker 1: been about what you did verse how it was received, 1182 00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,600 Speaker 1: and like with like future relationships or future things wrote about, 1183 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,160 Speaker 1: like family members or anything like that. Such a good question, 1184 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,840 Speaker 1: um and uh and and a generous one to like 1185 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,160 Speaker 1: invite me to think about that. I guess I'll say. 1186 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,040 Speaker 1: You know, we're sensitive artists like h and every experience 1187 00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,320 Speaker 1: like you ricochet off of it, and it like affects 1188 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,600 Speaker 1: your forward trajectory, and I guess I would say I 1189 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,000 Speaker 1: feel the most myself creatively at this point, like you 1190 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,200 Speaker 1: know today that i'd like ever have, and I'm able 1191 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,360 Speaker 1: to speak about the creative confusion I was feeling at 1192 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,640 Speaker 1: the time with lots of remove because I feel like, oh, 1193 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,120 Speaker 1: I'm really doing my ship now. And if it is 1194 00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,200 Speaker 1: the case that I was hindered from writing more songs 1195 00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,440 Speaker 1: about people that I was dating, like, I'm glad that 1196 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,520 Speaker 1: I had this experience because perhaps it is a path 1197 00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,080 Speaker 1: that would have brought me a lot of joy. I'm 1198 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,000 Speaker 1: happy with my trajectory now. Maybe another good path would 1199 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,560 Speaker 1: have been like writing more very personal songs about people 1200 00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,520 Speaker 1: with their names thinly veiled, but like, I'm totally fine 1201 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,720 Speaker 1: to have not gone farther down that path. And this 1202 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,600 Speaker 1: was like the huge learning experience for me and Nikki. 1203 00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,160 Speaker 1: Can I say like two things. One is I have 1204 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,600 Speaker 1: never listened to you talk about this on podcasts, and 1205 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,200 Speaker 1: actually the episode of your podcast where you two talked 1206 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,160 Speaker 1: about it was the first time I've ever been able 1207 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,720 Speaker 1: to like, like, I it would make me perspire to 1208 00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,960 Speaker 1: think about hearing you talk about it, and so hearing 1209 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,440 Speaker 1: you laid out there. I was like, you just have 1210 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,200 Speaker 1: to like power through and listen to this, and it 1211 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,760 Speaker 1: was a really good experience. And I'm really glad I did. 1212 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,360 Speaker 1: And I'm glad I didn't get any earlier versions. I'll 1213 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,400 Speaker 1: never seek them out. I've never even re listened to 1214 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,120 Speaker 1: myself on PETE because I just remember how excruciating. Yes, 1215 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,160 Speaker 1: and you're right, I'm so glad you haven't done that. 1216 00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,920 Speaker 1: Thank you. And I and I also want to say, 1217 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,960 Speaker 1: I am just so the fact that you're I'm like, 1218 00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,080 Speaker 1: I told you this when we started trading voice memos 1219 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,440 Speaker 1: like a couple of weeks ago, but you have become 1220 00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,160 Speaker 1: this incredible You're like a beacon of self awareness and 1221 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,280 Speaker 1: like calling it like it is and being upfront about 1222 00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,200 Speaker 1: who you are, even saying stuff like I am a 1223 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,840 Speaker 1: stinky person because I'm a person who exists in a 1224 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:57,080 Speaker 1: physical body. Like I'm just I always was like so 1225 00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,400 Speaker 1: impressed with how I mean, you might remember this time 1226 00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,160 Speaker 1: as more dark than you were, but like I was 1227 00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:06,360 Speaker 1: into you because you were so smart and funny and gorgeous, 1228 00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,800 Speaker 1: but you had this like being around you was just 1229 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:14,400 Speaker 1: like it was exhilarating because you you had a unique Uh, 1230 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,680 Speaker 1: aspects to your character that like weren't like almost anyone 1231 00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,680 Speaker 1: or anyone that I've ever met, and I think you've 1232 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,920 Speaker 1: only amplified those things. And sometimes, like the way our 1233 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,200 Speaker 1: relationship worked for me once we stopped talking was that, 1234 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,080 Speaker 1: like every couple of years, i'd get a text from 1235 00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,320 Speaker 1: someone and they'd be like, hey, man, I just want 1236 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,120 Speaker 1: you to know. I was listening to a podcast and 1237 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:36,320 Speaker 1: Nikki Glazer is talking about you, and eventually I was like, yeah, 1238 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,240 Speaker 1: that's just part of things now. And even when those 1239 00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,840 Speaker 1: things would happen, I would think, I'm very clear about this. 1240 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,600 Speaker 1: I would think this is not the way it's supposed 1241 00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,600 Speaker 1: to go, and it's not like I knew, and I 1242 00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,880 Speaker 1: was like, oh, Nicky is gonna come around. But I thought, 1243 00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,160 Speaker 1: I just have this feeling that one day it's not 1244 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,680 Speaker 1: going to be like this, And like it helped make 1245 00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,600 Speaker 1: that stuff more. It still hurt my feelings, but I 1246 00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,920 Speaker 1: was able to roll with it more and I'm so 1247 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,560 Speaker 1: happy to be here now. I feel like I time 1248 01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,440 Speaker 1: warped from all those past texts or you know, phone 1249 01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,080 Speaker 1: calls or whatever, and now I'm like, Okay, this is 1250 01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,480 Speaker 1: how it's supposed to be. Thank you, for saying all that. 1251 01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,400 Speaker 1: And and I do think that I the person I 1252 01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,640 Speaker 1: am now was there then. And I don't uh when 1253 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,360 Speaker 1: people are like, wait, you before you quit drinking, you 1254 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,120 Speaker 1: were like a different person that you don't stand by, 1255 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,880 Speaker 1: and it's like, no, it was all there. It was 1256 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,000 Speaker 1: being clouded by that stuff. And so it's really nice 1257 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,600 Speaker 1: to hear that. And I knew you saw that in me, 1258 01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,360 Speaker 1: And that's why I like that you were It's obvious 1259 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,480 Speaker 1: to me that I was on the way to being 1260 01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,000 Speaker 1: a better person because I was attracted to something. I mean, 1261 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,080 Speaker 1: all these things, me quitting drinking and you being the 1262 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,600 Speaker 1: relationship I head right before. That was not because I 1263 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,680 Speaker 1: was like hit a bottom. It was because I saw 1264 01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,360 Speaker 1: better for myself and I was already on that trajectory. 1265 01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:53,760 Speaker 1: So and I just want to say that in I understood, uh, 1266 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,120 Speaker 1: I was able to have. I did the same thing 1267 01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,400 Speaker 1: to people, uh, to people I cared about, where I 1268 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,080 Speaker 1: talked bad about them on something that I just didn't 1269 01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,120 Speaker 1: even think about them hearing. Didn't do it because I 1270 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,360 Speaker 1: didn't think they would hear about because I was just like, whatever, 1271 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,400 Speaker 1: those are my feelings. It really hurt them. I apologized 1272 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,520 Speaker 1: for it. I got their forgiveness, and then I brought 1273 01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,040 Speaker 1: it up again on something and the person that I 1274 01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,560 Speaker 1: had upset got mad again and was like, you brought 1275 01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,200 Speaker 1: it up again, like you're bringing it up on a 1276 01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,480 Speaker 1: podcast as like entertainment. And even though you have this 1277 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,720 Speaker 1: perspective of being being sorry about what you did, it 1278 01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,000 Speaker 1: just open it like picked at the scab and it's 1279 01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,360 Speaker 1: bleeding again. And I was like, oh my god, I 1280 01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,760 Speaker 1: know that feeling. I felt that on the you made 1281 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,760 Speaker 1: it weird thing like even though he was remorseful and 1282 01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,240 Speaker 1: like the fact that he brought it up again like 1283 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,560 Speaker 1: re triggered it all and and so I was able 1284 01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:45,320 Speaker 1: to understand. Um it helped me in and like being 1285 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,720 Speaker 1: able to see myself and people I've heard so I've 1286 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,640 Speaker 1: done the same thing. I'm so glad we're friends now. Um. 1287 01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,280 Speaker 1: And I said over the voice where I was like, 1288 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:59,640 Speaker 1: I love I don't even think. I don't even way too, 1289 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,720 Speaker 1: I and so, UM, I do love. It's like it's 1290 01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:08,360 Speaker 1: really I love you too, Andrew Nicky. I really did 1291 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,560 Speaker 1: love you back then, like you're just I feel like 1292 01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,240 Speaker 1: we're like I don't know, it's like one of those Okay, 1293 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,880 Speaker 1: this is my last question. About this in My friend 1294 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,880 Speaker 1: Larry was in town and we went out to eat 1295 01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,360 Speaker 1: by the Improv and he was like, Hey, are we 1296 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,240 Speaker 1: can we go see a comedy show? And I was 1297 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,160 Speaker 1: like sure. And we went to the Improv and we 1298 01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,560 Speaker 1: slid into that like circular booth and like the back 1299 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,479 Speaker 1: right of the room, and you were on stage and 1300 01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,960 Speaker 1: you came and sat down in the booth and we 1301 01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,400 Speaker 1: hadn't talked, and I was like, oh my god, does 1302 01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,960 Speaker 1: Nikki know that we're sitting like one person apart from 1303 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,120 Speaker 1: each other. It was dark. You weren't expecting to see 1304 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,600 Speaker 1: me there. So a thing I've wondered about for I 1305 01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,920 Speaker 1: guess like four years, is did that Did you know 1306 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,400 Speaker 1: that this happened? I don't. When you're bringing this up, 1307 01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,400 Speaker 1: I did not remember it, but A dent knew because 1308 01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,680 Speaker 1: like I, that's a move I would have made, is 1309 01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,960 Speaker 1: like I'm just gonna act totally fine about him being here. 1310 01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,920 Speaker 1: I actually love that he's here, because I'm gonna go 1311 01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,720 Speaker 1: and try to kill and like be impressive make him. 1312 01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,479 Speaker 1: You probably did, and I probably knew that he didn't 1313 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:07,640 Speaker 1: know I had seen him, So I was going to 1314 01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,800 Speaker 1: make him uncomfortable by like being in the being in 1315 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:11,360 Speaker 1: front of him on the booth, being like, whence she 1316 01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:12,880 Speaker 1: turns around and sees it me, it's going to be 1317 01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,680 Speaker 1: a thing. But I knew, so it was all calculated. 1318 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,720 Speaker 1: I saw you went. I mean, I really went out 1319 01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,200 Speaker 1: of my way to like make you a pariah. And 1320 01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,400 Speaker 1: that is what I'm most disgusted by, is like when 1321 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,160 Speaker 1: boys have hurt me, I've gone out of my way 1322 01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,960 Speaker 1: to like to have everyone hate them too, And it's 1323 01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,640 Speaker 1: such a disgusting move and I'm really embarrassed that. And 1324 01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,080 Speaker 1: I do think that some of my ship talking about 1325 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:37,240 Speaker 1: you and behavior towards you at comedy events made you 1326 01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,760 Speaker 1: feel alienated as I was trying to do and possibly 1327 01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:46,040 Speaker 1: hurt you, not only in your career or like personal relationships. 1328 01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:47,960 Speaker 1: And I really apologize, and I want to make it 1329 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,240 Speaker 1: up to you by like bringing you in and lifting 1330 01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,000 Speaker 1: you up and like showing you off because you're so 1331 01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:57,040 Speaker 1: insanely talented and you're I love to hear that back 1332 01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:01,320 Speaker 1: then the tour. Absolutely do spots on the tour pick 1333 01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,840 Speaker 1: out dats. It is going to come out of your time. 1334 01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,640 Speaker 1: But I'm grateful for you. But anyway, I I really 1335 01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,200 Speaker 1: I apologize for being a bully to you. It's like 1336 01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,920 Speaker 1: my worst character defect, I believe, and um and I 1337 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,400 Speaker 1: really was and I tried to and um and I 1338 01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,320 Speaker 1: and I will try to do everything I can to 1339 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,640 Speaker 1: make up for that in a sincere way, which is like, 1340 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,400 Speaker 1: not because I want to make up for it, but because, um, 1341 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,200 Speaker 1: you deserve to have all the success, because you're one 1342 01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:29,920 Speaker 1: of the most talented people I've ever known, and you 1343 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,680 Speaker 1: know that, and that's why I was attracted to you 1344 01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:35,080 Speaker 1: and felt so like one of the many reasons I 1345 01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,800 Speaker 1: was attracted to you. And uh so I plan on 1346 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:39,600 Speaker 1: making it up to you, not because I have to, 1347 01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,240 Speaker 1: but because I want to. And also, um, I loved 1348 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,280 Speaker 1: that you said when I go I'm a vegan now, 1349 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:46,760 Speaker 1: I was really catching up on voice. Someone was I 1350 01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:48,560 Speaker 1: was like, I'm a vegan now, and he said, when 1351 01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,920 Speaker 1: I heard you were vegan, I had a feeling we 1352 01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,240 Speaker 1: would be able to because if you're a vegan, you 1353 01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,320 Speaker 1: have enough empathy for like if you kept empathy for 1354 01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,080 Speaker 1: like snails and bees, I don't know that you are. 1355 01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,040 Speaker 1: There's that animal rights lawyer who wanted to kill her 1356 01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:09,400 Speaker 1: girlfriends a balance. Oh, that's interesting to have a cow 1357 01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:14,400 Speaker 1: kill a cowboy really being vegan. You were the first 1358 01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,440 Speaker 1: vegan I ever got close to, and I used to 1359 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,680 Speaker 1: like roll my eyes at it and even used it 1360 01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,040 Speaker 1: against you to make fun of you in later years. 1361 01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,720 Speaker 1: And um, that's that's been really fun to talk about 1362 01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,600 Speaker 1: as a vegan now because there's so many vegan stand 1363 01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,800 Speaker 1: up jokes. Were we where do we do our protein? 1364 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,000 Speaker 1: And it's just the hackiest ship. And I'm on a 1365 01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:37,800 Speaker 1: crusade to make vegan material. That is making fun of that, 1366 01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,960 Speaker 1: uh looking at us like that, But I used to 1367 01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,760 Speaker 1: do it. I was. I was a person that made 1368 01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,800 Speaker 1: fun of vegans and you were. It was all because 1369 01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,600 Speaker 1: I was hurt. Let's get to the news. I don't 1370 01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,200 Speaker 1: know if we're doing the news. Were skipping the news? Yeah, 1371 01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,360 Speaker 1: let's skip the news and thank you, well we did 1372 01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,880 Speaker 1: the news. You heard it here first Shewn and Andrew 1373 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,600 Speaker 1: And now this is this is a segment I'm very 1374 01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,960 Speaker 1: excited about. It's where we're playing. Um, Wednesday is a 1375 01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,080 Speaker 1: wild card. We just do different segments on Wednesday. This 1376 01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,200 Speaker 1: today's segment is going to be the blankest thing you've 1377 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,360 Speaker 1: ever done. And today's blank is the bravest thing. The 1378 01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,600 Speaker 1: word has already come up a bunch of times which 1379 01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,840 Speaker 1: we didn't even plan for. Um, and I want to 1380 01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,800 Speaker 1: know what what the bravest thing is you've ever done? Andrew, 1381 01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,480 Speaker 1: have you had time to think about this? Yeah, I 1382 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,320 Speaker 1: would say it would have to be to think, well, 1383 01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:31,160 Speaker 1: giving them drinking and going to therapy. Okay, telling kind 1384 01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,880 Speaker 1: of a selfish thing though, Like I was thinking about, like, 1385 01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:38,640 Speaker 1: what have I done brave for someone else? And which 1386 01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,200 Speaker 1: is sad? Uh? Maybe I'll sign up for a big 1387 01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,360 Speaker 1: brother going to therapy when you talk about that, Yeah, 1388 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,800 Speaker 1: so going to therapy. I just, um, you know, I 1389 01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,440 Speaker 1: was told to go to therapy by my family for 1390 01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,840 Speaker 1: many years, and I just you know, when you're told 1391 01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:57,120 Speaker 1: to do something, you want to rebel against it and eventually, um, 1392 01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,880 Speaker 1: I don't Were we friends before I even went to 1393 01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:04,360 Speaker 1: first time? I don't know, I think so, but yeah, 1394 01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,960 Speaker 1: so I don't know, Like I always I also assumed, 1395 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:08,480 Speaker 1: because I never looked into it, that it was so 1396 01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:12,080 Speaker 1: fucking expensive that I can come bepoor comedian dogwalker, I 1397 01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:16,840 Speaker 1: can next excuses putting it on a pedestal, being like 1398 01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,360 Speaker 1: I kind of understand what I'm going through because my 1399 01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,880 Speaker 1: little brother went to therapy. So the correlation like through him, 1400 01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,240 Speaker 1: I understand where I'm at, Like, why don't you ask 1401 01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,480 Speaker 1: her this? Sam? Uh so? Yeah, so like going to 1402 01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,520 Speaker 1: that and how did you do it? To be honest, 1403 01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people listening that the same way, 1404 01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,120 Speaker 1: and they're they're talking their head like, well, I they're 1405 01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,680 Speaker 1: making excuses, So how did you do it? It's so 1406 01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,720 Speaker 1: hard to do to find the right one, because it 1407 01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,680 Speaker 1: is hard. I always say it's like dating, like you 1408 01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,640 Speaker 1: can you cannot go off one to three, even five. 1409 01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,120 Speaker 1: It took me I finally found a good therapist and 1410 01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,480 Speaker 1: it's taken me eighteen years ago. Therapy. I've had good 1411 01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,680 Speaker 1: ones here and there, but like a really good one. 1412 01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,160 Speaker 1: It's like a relationship. It's hard. Well, part of you 1413 01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,480 Speaker 1: you learn along the way. I just thought maybe it 1414 01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:04,000 Speaker 1: would make me weak or like weaker, like like I 1415 01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,120 Speaker 1: looked at it as a weakness to go get help. 1416 01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,760 Speaker 1: So I actually went to a social worker years ago, 1417 01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:10,560 Speaker 1: and I was like, well, that's not like a therapist. 1418 01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,200 Speaker 1: That's like a that that's a social that's a tough 1419 01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:18,360 Speaker 1: social worker, you know, like you convince. Yeah. We used 1420 01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:23,880 Speaker 1: to build construction and break down my relationship with the Yeah, 1421 01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,720 Speaker 1: one hammer at a time. Yeah, yeah, I've never used 1422 01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,800 Speaker 1: a hammer, so anyways, so yeah, so no, I went 1423 01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:35,320 Speaker 1: another comedian this uh that all the comedians went through 1424 01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:38,160 Speaker 1: this guy. I went to his wife because she was 1425 01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,840 Speaker 1: had more availability, and someone said I could pay for 1426 01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,040 Speaker 1: on a sliding scale, and I was like, what the 1427 01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:46,800 Speaker 1: hell is a sliding scale? I didn't even know what 1428 01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,880 Speaker 1: that was. Uh, and um it was like sixty bucks 1429 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:52,919 Speaker 1: to see her. And I was like, I could afford 1430 01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,840 Speaker 1: sixty dollars a month or every two weeks to kind 1431 01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:58,519 Speaker 1: of get an understanding of like what the hell is 1432 01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,400 Speaker 1: going away? Get out of it? Could always stop unless 1433 01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,559 Speaker 1: you Nicky Glazer for a couple of years with an 1434 01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,320 Speaker 1: abuse of therapist. But like if you encounter one of 1435 01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:08,639 Speaker 1: those talk to I went to another therapist to break 1436 01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:10,599 Speaker 1: up with a therapist one time because it was just 1437 01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,760 Speaker 1: such so there's people out there just like relationships. It 1438 01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,880 Speaker 1: really like in like three things like like there were 1439 01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,240 Speaker 1: things that I was putting off, like I had financial 1440 01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:24,040 Speaker 1: uh like ruined him a debt that I would just 1441 01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,880 Speaker 1: avoid because it was too scary to focus on and 1442 01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,200 Speaker 1: I was too afraid of finding out if I was 1443 01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,720 Speaker 1: sick or not, whether I had like aids or like 1444 01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:37,320 Speaker 1: whether I had cancer, I was a complete hypochondriac, and 1445 01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,200 Speaker 1: those two things within the first five sessions. I went 1446 01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,719 Speaker 1: to a doctor and I went to an accountant, and 1447 01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,360 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I was even sadder when I 1448 01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:51,800 Speaker 1: found off. Now it's very close. Yeah, And and I 1449 01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,840 Speaker 1: just think that that I love that you. I'm tying. 1450 01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,479 Speaker 1: So that's good because it's like, I just feel like 1451 01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,280 Speaker 1: so many men are just out getting into therapy and 1452 01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,800 Speaker 1: self help because it's become this like almost I think 1453 01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,240 Speaker 1: it's the I think it's the hottest thing a guy 1454 01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,880 Speaker 1: can do. And I don't just say that too, just 1455 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:11,720 Speaker 1: because I want more people to get help, and I'm 1456 01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,840 Speaker 1: think it will incentivize it. It is really like it's 1457 01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,439 Speaker 1: such a turn on that someone's like it's brave. It 1458 01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,679 Speaker 1: honestly is brave. It's like as brave as rock climbing 1459 01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:24,360 Speaker 1: or doing something like masks. It's very masculine to admit 1460 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,040 Speaker 1: what to ask for help and to talk to someone 1461 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,320 Speaker 1: who admit you're not as smart as you think you 1462 01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:31,960 Speaker 1: are and that you don't have it figured all out, 1463 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,960 Speaker 1: and that you want to get better. There's nothing hotter. 1464 01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,560 Speaker 1: So I always say, like, if people, if you're in 1465 01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,639 Speaker 1: a relationship with a man who or a woman who 1466 01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,800 Speaker 1: is refusing to do therapy or like things they haven't 1467 01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,600 Speaker 1: figured out. You're with someone who thinks they're done you. 1468 01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,920 Speaker 1: The idea that someone is done that you're just like, 1469 01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:53,680 Speaker 1: I'm good this time is so it's just so unattractive 1470 01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,479 Speaker 1: and it's so it's it's it's indicative of someone who 1471 01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,479 Speaker 1: if you're not happy with them right now and they 1472 01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,400 Speaker 1: feel like they're on do you think it's going to 1473 01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,280 Speaker 1: get better? Ever unless they take the step to get better, No, 1474 01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:08,639 Speaker 1: it's gonna get worse. So, um, I always tell my friends, 1475 01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,280 Speaker 1: make an ultimatum, say leave him if if he if 1476 01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:12,960 Speaker 1: he doesn't get help, and they go. But then he's 1477 01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,400 Speaker 1: just gonna do it because he doesn't want to leave me. 1478 01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,160 Speaker 1: Yeah he is. You need to give people it's like intervention. 1479 01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,720 Speaker 1: And then and then he'll learn in therapy that it's 1480 01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,720 Speaker 1: not even about her, it's about him the whole time, 1481 01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,479 Speaker 1: and that his ship that he had to figure out. 1482 01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,000 Speaker 1: It might be a bad therapist and you don't like her. 1483 01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:29,560 Speaker 1: And then they goes it was a bad therapist. I 1484 01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,479 Speaker 1: don't want to go again, And you go, okay, well, um, 1485 01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,439 Speaker 1: you keep going did did you stop out of the 1486 01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,360 Speaker 1: first girlfriend who wasn't or the first bumble date you 1487 01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,439 Speaker 1: went on? Did you just stop maybe because bumble is 1488 01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,800 Speaker 1: not that great? But like you just keep going. So 1489 01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,000 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you saying that that was the bravest thing. 1490 01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,760 Speaker 1: And I do believe you're You've done a lot of 1491 01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,240 Speaker 1: masculinely brave things. But I'm glad you chose that one 1492 01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:52,920 Speaker 1: because I think it is you really didn't want to go, Zach, 1493 01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,519 Speaker 1: what's the bravest thing you've ever done? Well? Uh, Andrew, 1494 01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:59,200 Speaker 1: that was great, Thank you. It's making me feel good 1495 01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,120 Speaker 1: about being in therapy. I think my therapist is good, 1496 01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:04,200 Speaker 1: not great, but he's good. That's good enough. Um. The 1497 01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,320 Speaker 1: sort of boring answer that I chose when thinking about 1498 01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,840 Speaker 1: this prompt was moving to l A when I did, 1499 01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,639 Speaker 1: like eleven years ago, because I just didn't know what 1500 01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,160 Speaker 1: was going on and it was kind of a dumb 1501 01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,160 Speaker 1: move that has turned out to have worked out. But yeah, 1502 01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,439 Speaker 1: I really was like, did you ever read the book 1503 01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:23,640 Speaker 1: The Phantom Tollbooth. It's like a children's book. There's a 1504 01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:29,120 Speaker 1: part where I saw the booth with Colin Farrell. There's 1505 01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,479 Speaker 1: a part where this like this guy says to this 1506 01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,439 Speaker 1: boy who's going to go on a quest, He's like, 1507 01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,280 Speaker 1: I have to tell you something about this, but I 1508 01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:37,320 Speaker 1: can't tell you till you're back. And then the kid 1509 01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:38,760 Speaker 1: goes and does it, and then he comes back and 1510 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:40,920 Speaker 1: the king is like, Okay, the thing I can only 1511 01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:42,960 Speaker 1: tell you when you're back is this is impossible. It 1512 01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,280 Speaker 1: can't be achieved. And the kids like, but I did it, 1513 01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,559 Speaker 1: And the King's like, well, if I told you that before, 1514 01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,160 Speaker 1: you would not have been able to do it. And 1515 01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,800 Speaker 1: so sometimes I look back at myself and I'm like, 1516 01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,560 Speaker 1: you don't want to know how much you're going to 1517 01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:55,280 Speaker 1: have to deal with, man, just go move to l 1518 01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,280 Speaker 1: A and don't worry about it and let some time pass. 1519 01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:02,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think, yeah, that blind and that blind 1520 01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,680 Speaker 1: being naive is a good thing. Yeah, because you look 1521 01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:07,799 Speaker 1: back and you go, I didn't really have to steal 1522 01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:09,800 Speaker 1: myself before that move, Like maybe a little bit. You 1523 01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,559 Speaker 1: were nervous, and like I definitely went before I moved 1524 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,000 Speaker 1: to l A the first time, I had gotten explosive 1525 01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,240 Speaker 1: fights out of nowhere because I was so nervous to 1526 01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,840 Speaker 1: take this leap, and I was like acting out in 1527 01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,040 Speaker 1: all these ways. But I didn't. It was just the 1528 01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:23,360 Speaker 1: thing you had to do. I didn't think of it 1529 01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,240 Speaker 1: as like this. When I think of bravery, I think 1530 01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,040 Speaker 1: of like running into a burning building, right like and 1531 01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,200 Speaker 1: and that is what l A is now is a 1532 01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:36,200 Speaker 1: burning burning burning tents on the street. Yeah, no going. 1533 01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,760 Speaker 1: I actually know your bravest thing back that I would say, 1534 01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:42,720 Speaker 1: do you know what I'm gonna say? I want to 1535 01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:46,519 Speaker 1: talk about it? You confronted a dog and like saved 1536 01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,479 Speaker 1: my life. It was the hottest thing ever. I've never 1537 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,720 Speaker 1: been so horned up for someone. First of all, I 1538 01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,800 Speaker 1: get horned up when guys are like vulnerable and go 1539 01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,880 Speaker 1: to therapy. I literally get like one time I've got 1540 01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,280 Speaker 1: so horny on a dime was when my ex boyfriend 1541 01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,000 Speaker 1: started saw being out of nowhere. Is the first time 1542 01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:02,799 Speaker 1: I saw him like break down, crying and I literally 1543 01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,160 Speaker 1: had to blow him in a conference room because I 1544 01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,160 Speaker 1: was at his emotions. So I stand by this like 1545 01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,080 Speaker 1: getting help and accessing feelings. But the time that we 1546 01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,160 Speaker 1: were about to go to launch or dinner something walking 1547 01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,720 Speaker 1: out of your apartment, a pit bull growled at us 1548 01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:20,720 Speaker 1: and was about like, Zach, it was your neighbors that 1549 01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,639 Speaker 1: were okay, I used to live next to the band 1550 01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,439 Speaker 1: Green Jello. Do you remember them. They had the song 1551 01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:32,040 Speaker 1: three Little No No like okay. So they lived in 1552 01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,599 Speaker 1: this house in Hollywood that I lived in the apartment 1553 01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,680 Speaker 1: next to, and they would have these wild parties and 1554 01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,639 Speaker 1: they got evicted because someone died at one of their parties. 1555 01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:43,600 Speaker 1: And they just had these two pit bulls named Jihad 1556 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,800 Speaker 1: and Lucy, and Lucy was short for Lucifer, and they 1557 01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,200 Speaker 1: were just unrestrained and when you walk by, they would 1558 01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:51,760 Speaker 1: scream it you ferociously while you walked past this like 1559 01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,080 Speaker 1: met this concrete yard full of like piles of dogshit. 1560 01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,000 Speaker 1: And so one night Nicki and I were coming back 1561 01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,320 Speaker 1: late from a show and we were walking into my 1562 01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,320 Speaker 1: terrible apartment and all of a sudden it wasn't terrible. 1563 01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,960 Speaker 1: I like, like, I like remember that Brauner's show. It 1564 01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,080 Speaker 1: was the time I saw Brauner's that stuff that has 1565 01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,760 Speaker 1: like all the scripture, what the fund is this? And 1566 01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,760 Speaker 1: I smelled like peppermints for like thirteen years. I think 1567 01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:19,800 Speaker 1: you were like, go you didn't want to do a 1568 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,559 Speaker 1: little bit more stuff? Can you wash your mouth? Go 1569 01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:26,400 Speaker 1: on peppermint Like it's almost like mouthwash. You had his body, 1570 01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,120 Speaker 1: and I think it was for me. You were sending 1571 01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,680 Speaker 1: and looked like a face when you looked at it 1572 01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,160 Speaker 1: from overhead, and you were always like I like that guy. 1573 01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:35,960 Speaker 1: You'd say hi when you would come back to visit 1574 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,800 Speaker 1: for it was really Nikki is like what the fund 1575 01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,040 Speaker 1: is that? And I look up and the pit bull 1576 01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:45,439 Speaker 1: is just charging us. Why do I feel like it 1577 01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,400 Speaker 1: was a jihad? Yeah, if I had to put my 1578 01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:51,599 Speaker 1: money on, But this was ten years ago, so thank 1579 01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,840 Speaker 1: god they're both Probably it was no, it was their 1580 01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:58,680 Speaker 1: puppy Sharia law, and it was like what it was 1581 01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,200 Speaker 1: that was so scary. I member, Zack, I went like 1582 01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:03,160 Speaker 1: this around my neck because I knew that I was 1583 01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,360 Speaker 1: about to be attacked, and like my neck is the 1584 01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:08,280 Speaker 1: only thing in my face, my money maker. I went 1585 01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:13,400 Speaker 1: into I'm being attacked, like not fight mode, it's already gone. Yeah. 1586 01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,760 Speaker 1: I was like, let me go for it. Maybe I'll 1587 01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:26,360 Speaker 1: come during this. So then uh but you didn't you? Sorry? 1588 01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,720 Speaker 1: Who are you? Moses? My dog just got so mad 1589 01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:32,760 Speaker 1: or so scared. That's what it does. It does a 1590 01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:34,800 Speaker 1: dog when you do that at it, and the dog 1591 01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,880 Speaker 1: was just like what the it stopped and and then 1592 01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,400 Speaker 1: we just kind of ran around, stopped in its tracks, 1593 01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:43,080 Speaker 1: and you were just like you were not someone that 1594 01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:46,280 Speaker 1: I had seen in that mode before, of like like 1595 01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,760 Speaker 1: you're you're vegan, like you're kind to people like That's 1596 01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,280 Speaker 1: why I was attracted to you as well. It was 1597 01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,160 Speaker 1: and you just protected my life and I was like, oh, 1598 01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,400 Speaker 1: let's go. I went in and was like yeah, like 1599 01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,400 Speaker 1: let's I was so horn up because you saved my life. 1600 01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:03,799 Speaker 1: That was very brave. I want to say my bravest 1601 01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:07,040 Speaker 1: thing real quick was doing was accepting Dancing with the 1602 01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:10,200 Speaker 1: Stars when I had no dancing ability and agreeing to 1603 01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,719 Speaker 1: dance and not knowing that it was a live show. 1604 01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,479 Speaker 1: But then the day I found out it was live 1605 01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,200 Speaker 1: and I didn't pull out of it was the bravest 1606 01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,200 Speaker 1: moment of going like, Okay, I'm going to dance live 1607 01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:21,200 Speaker 1: on TV and I don't know if I can dance. 1608 01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,680 Speaker 1: I literally have never learned a dance before. That was 1609 01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:26,200 Speaker 1: the bravest moment of my life. No, what was your 1610 01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:28,760 Speaker 1: bravest moment trying to text me to hurry this up 1611 01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:34,000 Speaker 1: and seeing my response. I think the bravest moment for 1612 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,040 Speaker 1: me was having to put my dog down, like dealing 1613 01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,400 Speaker 1: with with his death because I usually try to avoid 1614 01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:42,720 Speaker 1: stuff like that, And what what um, I mean I 1615 01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:44,479 Speaker 1: guess you didn't have a choice a little bit, or 1616 01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,160 Speaker 1: I mean I guess you did have a choice, Like 1617 01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,360 Speaker 1: what was that choice? Like, well, I could so he 1618 01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:53,639 Speaker 1: had um a cancer that had me tasks mathask aside 1619 01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:58,680 Speaker 1: um and he would need assistance going to the bathroom, 1620 01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:01,880 Speaker 1: he would need assistance using the bathrooms. I would have 1621 01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:03,559 Speaker 1: to take him to get his bladder drained for the 1622 01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,320 Speaker 1: rest of his life. And I was like, I'm not 1623 01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,200 Speaker 1: I'm not going to keep him alive for that, like 1624 01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,800 Speaker 1: it would be for me, would be so selfish, just 1625 01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,960 Speaker 1: like having to go through it and be like being 1626 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,960 Speaker 1: there as he's euthanized. It was just like a life 1627 01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:21,760 Speaker 1: changing moment that I could have like ignored or had 1628 01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,840 Speaker 1: someone else deal with it, which is something like I 1629 01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:30,920 Speaker 1: don't I don't um confront like death feelings like like 1630 01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:34,600 Speaker 1: straightforward and like send people my regards, like I just 1631 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,680 Speaker 1: kind of like avoid it. I do too. I like 1632 01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:39,680 Speaker 1: when when I have a friend whose parent dies, I 1633 01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,360 Speaker 1: can't call them. It's just too I don't know what 1634 01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,360 Speaker 1: to do either. And it's like I'm really grateful, Like 1635 01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:47,560 Speaker 1: you said that because I feel alone. I feel like 1636 01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,880 Speaker 1: a really that's when I feel I'm a really good friend. 1637 01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,120 Speaker 1: But when my friends have a death in their life, 1638 01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,880 Speaker 1: I go, I go silent, and I don't know what 1639 01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,320 Speaker 1: to do. The dog things weird because I see all 1640 01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:00,320 Speaker 1: these tiktoks like last Day with you know, Loose or 1641 01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:05,559 Speaker 1: Lucy Jehad and uh yeah and uh and and the 1642 01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,599 Speaker 1: dog is like eating and looks like that's the thing 1643 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:10,439 Speaker 1: that's hard with the dogs, Like you could euthanize it. 1644 01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,519 Speaker 1: It almost looks like it could live another couple of years, 1645 01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, but it has like 1646 01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,000 Speaker 1: cancer and it's gonna die in a month anyways. But 1647 01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,920 Speaker 1: you just you don't. It's not showing you that because 1648 01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:22,800 Speaker 1: it's not a dog. It's not like the dog can't 1649 01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:26,080 Speaker 1: be like, hey, yeah, this is pretty bad. Terminal five 1650 01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,080 Speaker 1: or whatever the hell it is. You know what a 1651 01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:31,240 Speaker 1: great Terminal five? I think that's like a music venue 1652 01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:36,880 Speaker 1: in New York where I saw green Land and uh yeah, 1653 01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,519 Speaker 1: no that's a really really good one, and um and 1654 01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:42,160 Speaker 1: then you turned it into something awesome. Yeah, I turned 1655 01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,639 Speaker 1: into something very positive where I was able to raise 1656 01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:49,400 Speaker 1: money for um, a charity that a dot like a 1657 01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:53,080 Speaker 1: a veterinarian who helped me through it. Um was was 1658 01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:57,439 Speaker 1: a director of that helped people get medical assistance for 1659 01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:00,479 Speaker 1: their pets and helped um stray animals as well get 1660 01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,719 Speaker 1: medical service. So I just, yeah, that was to something 1661 01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:08,320 Speaker 1: really touched. Uh did not die in vain. Final thought, 1662 01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,200 Speaker 1: I want to move into This brings us perfectly to 1663 01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:12,840 Speaker 1: a place that I just I don't know if people 1664 01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,320 Speaker 1: know this. I've been giving out dog in the In 1665 01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:17,720 Speaker 1: the solo part of the show, I talked about how 1666 01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,840 Speaker 1: I get my dog to be an awfulish dog, and 1667 01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,320 Speaker 1: this has all been like dog themed and brave themed, 1668 01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,960 Speaker 1: but um, being with your dog when it's youth and 1669 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,240 Speaker 1: I I haven't had to go through that before, but 1670 01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,400 Speaker 1: if you can, I hope everyone makes the choice to 1671 01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:35,400 Speaker 1: like be in the room, because I've just read on 1672 01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:38,479 Speaker 1: Reddit enough times that like from veterinarians writing in like 1673 01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,000 Speaker 1: that is a time that you just you need to 1674 01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:42,720 Speaker 1: be I know you don't want to see it and 1675 01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:44,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard, but like you need to be 1676 01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,400 Speaker 1: there for your dog to like hold his paw or 1677 01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,680 Speaker 1: do have whatever to like, you know, bring them to 1678 01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,320 Speaker 1: the next stage of their life. So if you can 1679 01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,040 Speaker 1: do it. It's like so many veterinarians share on Reddit 1680 01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:57,599 Speaker 1: where I read stuff that, um, the saddest moments are 1681 01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:59,840 Speaker 1: when the owner can't be in and if you're someone 1682 01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,040 Speaker 1: something that you were, like I was one person who 1683 01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,680 Speaker 1: wasn't in there. That's that's what you had to do 1684 01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,360 Speaker 1: to get through it. And maybe next time you won't 1685 01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:10,280 Speaker 1: and your dog. You only did because you love your 1686 01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:12,160 Speaker 1: dog so much, So don't feel bad. It's just like 1687 01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,439 Speaker 1: maybe next time, try to be there and you just 1688 01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,719 Speaker 1: couldn't do it then, and that's okay. And I share 1689 01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,880 Speaker 1: one thing, yeah, please, that I regret and I wish 1690 01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:23,439 Speaker 1: someone would have advised me. So when it was happening, Bruno, 1691 01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,680 Speaker 1: like I was like on the side of him and 1692 01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:28,519 Speaker 1: I was holding him, like I had my hand around 1693 01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:31,439 Speaker 1: his neck or whatever, just like holding him calmly. And 1694 01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:34,280 Speaker 1: my biggest regret is that I wasn't the last person 1695 01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:38,080 Speaker 1: that he saw right before he passed. So sit in 1696 01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:40,880 Speaker 1: front of your pet. Okay, I like that too, but 1697 01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,320 Speaker 1: I will say that, Yeah, I forgive yourself for that, 1698 01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,479 Speaker 1: and because you were the last person he felt you 1699 01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,439 Speaker 1: touching him and dogs he was probably blind anyway, like 1700 01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,200 Speaker 1: he's so old like they don't even see the way 1701 01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:55,800 Speaker 1: that we see or like think about the I think 1702 01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:59,040 Speaker 1: dogs are less image focus. You were probably the last 1703 01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,479 Speaker 1: person he smelled and felt and which is much more 1704 01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,439 Speaker 1: important to a dog than seeing, But we look at 1705 01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:07,360 Speaker 1: it through a human lens of like seeing, and it's 1706 01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:09,519 Speaker 1: just it's not the same. So I think that you're 1707 01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:14,759 Speaker 1: okay that you weren't the last thing. You probably heard too. Yeah, 1708 01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:25,120 Speaker 1: and also yeah, her walkman um, Yeah, And I just 1709 01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,360 Speaker 1: think that uh oh. And I also want to say 1710 01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,400 Speaker 1: that some veterinarians wrote to me about um because I 1711 01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:32,639 Speaker 1: was talking about taking care of Marian who was attacked 1712 01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:34,439 Speaker 1: by a dog and how she almost died and was 1713 01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:37,800 Speaker 1: very recently and all the things we went through. And 1714 01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,000 Speaker 1: I just want to say that you may not know this, 1715 01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:43,320 Speaker 1: but veterinarians are Everyone always says like dentists are the 1716 01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:46,320 Speaker 1: number one like suicidal or like they have the most 1717 01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:50,639 Speaker 1: suicide of any profession. But it's actually veterinarians because they 1718 01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:54,320 Speaker 1: get into being a vet because they love animals and 1719 01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:58,040 Speaker 1: they have like extreme empathy. And it was like a shot. 1720 01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,040 Speaker 1: It's like it's almost like a childhood. That's always the 1721 01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,240 Speaker 1: job you pick as a child. So these people still 1722 01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,200 Speaker 1: retain that childhood love of animals that most of us 1723 01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:07,679 Speaker 1: abandoned along the way, and they get into this profession 1724 01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,439 Speaker 1: to save animals, and most of their job is not 1725 01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:14,240 Speaker 1: it's it's actually treating animals that have been abused, seeing 1726 01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:18,280 Speaker 1: terrible things, putting down animals, just seeing you can't save 1727 01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:20,360 Speaker 1: as much as you think. And they do save a lot. 1728 01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:26,000 Speaker 1: So they suffer immense grief, immense um just emotional turmoil 1729 01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,160 Speaker 1: and uh. And because there's they feel so much more 1730 01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:30,960 Speaker 1: because they were drawn to that profession in the first place, 1731 01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:35,160 Speaker 1: they feel the negative so much more so. Actually, veterinarians vets, 1732 01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:38,920 Speaker 1: both veterans and vets, VET technicians and veterinarians have higher 1733 01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,200 Speaker 1: suicide than any other profession. Veterinarians. So I want to 1734 01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:45,000 Speaker 1: give a shout out to veterinarians. And I want everyone 1735 01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:48,439 Speaker 1: who might be like annoyed with other vet or like, 1736 01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,800 Speaker 1: just know that those people when my parents were kind 1737 01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:54,800 Speaker 1: of like annoyed at how much they were getting charged 1738 01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,439 Speaker 1: for the marrying stuff, and they had brought a dog 1739 01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,160 Speaker 1: to this place before, and they the dog they paid 1740 01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:01,880 Speaker 1: all this money because they were like, we could save 1741 01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:03,439 Speaker 1: him this way. It's most likely he's going to be 1742 01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,360 Speaker 1: saved if we do this. He wasn't saved. And they 1743 01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,760 Speaker 1: were always like and because they tried their best, and 1744 01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,040 Speaker 1: they always think like they didn't even try because they 1745 01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:12,360 Speaker 1: knew they we didn't pay enough, or they knew our 1746 01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,800 Speaker 1: credit score. They want to like make it someone else's 1747 01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,680 Speaker 1: fault other than like it just as bad luck. And 1748 01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,280 Speaker 1: my parents have a lot of Like when they brought 1749 01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:21,800 Speaker 1: Mary into the hospital, I go, why would you bring 1750 01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:23,920 Speaker 1: her there again? If you truly thought these people weren't 1751 01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,680 Speaker 1: giving her They didn't give Django who died the best care, 1752 01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:28,439 Speaker 1: why would you bring him back? You know that's not 1753 01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:32,280 Speaker 1: the case. They're gonna do their best. Oh, your your 1754 01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:34,320 Speaker 1: mom gave the credit card. I bet they're gonna see 1755 01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,920 Speaker 1: her credit and they're gonna not even save Mary because 1756 01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:38,280 Speaker 1: they know that they can't get a buck from us. 1757 01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,880 Speaker 1: And I'm like, if they wanted to make money, they 1758 01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:44,240 Speaker 1: would have been a human doctor. These people are not drying. 1759 01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,200 Speaker 1: I know there's money and being a vet, but there's 1760 01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:48,360 Speaker 1: not they're smart enough to be any kind of doctor. 1761 01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:53,200 Speaker 1: They chose one that is uh more thankless and uh 1762 01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:56,120 Speaker 1: as ill you know then than the one they if 1763 01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:58,160 Speaker 1: they were motivated by money, which I'm sure some are. 1764 01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:00,920 Speaker 1: Uh they would have done that. Have faith in your 1765 01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:02,840 Speaker 1: vets that they're really good people and they're drawn to 1766 01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:04,960 Speaker 1: it for a good reason and have a lot of 1767 01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:08,600 Speaker 1: empathy and uh gratitude for what they do as you 1768 01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,280 Speaker 1: have any pets growing up, Zack where you had to 1769 01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,360 Speaker 1: didn't write, I feel like you're a hardcore cat family. 1770 01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:19,800 Speaker 1: But then when I went to college to fill the void, Yes, 1771 01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:22,679 Speaker 1: and now she a dog. Parson know that dog died 1772 01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:26,599 Speaker 1: and she's back to cats. Nikki Jan is like an 1773 01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:29,880 Speaker 1: iconic Glazer pet right like before me. I would have 1774 01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,599 Speaker 1: heard about him when we were dating. I think he 1775 01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:36,479 Speaker 1: was around when you were thinking Django was around. You 1776 01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:41,479 Speaker 1: met Django and Django died tragically, but um we you know, 1777 01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:43,559 Speaker 1: Django was the second Jango in our lives. We had 1778 01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:47,360 Speaker 1: a bird named Django initially that was bought to replace Kiwi, 1779 01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,000 Speaker 1: who was the best part we ever had that died 1780 01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:51,800 Speaker 1: because of my mom cleaned his cage was something and 1781 01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:53,360 Speaker 1: then she blamed it on a friend, Cindy, but it 1782 01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:55,960 Speaker 1: was actually her and um years later I found out 1783 01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:59,360 Speaker 1: the Kiwi died. We ki We was a parakeet, just 1784 01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:02,600 Speaker 1: a shitty pair keep that talked No, it's fine. She 1785 01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:04,280 Speaker 1: didn't mean to. No one means to. But she just 1786 01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,200 Speaker 1: didn't want to take accountability because she thought I would 1787 01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:07,479 Speaker 1: be mad at her because I was a kid and 1788 01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:09,000 Speaker 1: I probably would have it was easier for me to 1789 01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:12,439 Speaker 1: be mad at her friend. So Kiwi died. He was 1790 01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:14,840 Speaker 1: just a shitty pair keet that like, isn't supposed to 1791 01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,240 Speaker 1: talk and do tricks, but he was insanely intelligent and 1792 01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:18,560 Speaker 1: could do all these things. And we were like, we 1793 01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:20,240 Speaker 1: don't want to gamble with another pair of keet who 1794 01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:21,840 Speaker 1: might not be as special at Kibi. Let's get a 1795 01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,240 Speaker 1: parrot that we know we'll talk, no does tricks. We 1796 01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:29,360 Speaker 1: got it um Senegalese parrot. It was. We named a Django. 1797 01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:33,320 Speaker 1: It uh never talked bid us all the time. Was 1798 01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:37,320 Speaker 1: not fun. Eventually flew out of the house one My 1799 01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:39,719 Speaker 1: dad was bringing in a Christmas tree one year um 1800 01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:43,360 Speaker 1: and gone never came back. We looked for it forever 1801 01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:45,280 Speaker 1: and it was winter outside so it didn't last long. 1802 01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:50,280 Speaker 1: So he never came back. And then my parents got 1803 01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:51,519 Speaker 1: a dog and they were like, we're gonna name this 1804 01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:53,559 Speaker 1: dog Django, and I go, how dare you? We had 1805 01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:55,760 Speaker 1: a burnt like, you can't do that, and they did it. 1806 01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,479 Speaker 1: And so when my my parents got another pet, I 1807 01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:00,280 Speaker 1: was like, what a good name of ja go And 1808 01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,080 Speaker 1: they're like, no, that was dog and I was like, 1809 01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,559 Speaker 1: now there's been a bird so um And so they 1810 01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:09,479 Speaker 1: named it uh much like uh Lucifer and Gad. They 1811 01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:14,360 Speaker 1: named it um uh child rape. Yeah, think of the 1812 01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:21,599 Speaker 1: worst child before. It's like a like a very like 1813 01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:25,439 Speaker 1: dark thing. And that that was one of the bravest things, honestly, 1814 01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:27,200 Speaker 1: because that there's a big risk factor. And thank you 1815 01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,960 Speaker 1: guys for laughing because you have to because I'm the host. Um, 1816 01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:31,960 Speaker 1: thank you so much, actor when you will be back, 1817 01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,000 Speaker 1: Thank you for doing the show. Thank you to the listener. 1818 01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:35,559 Speaker 1: We skipped the news today, but I think this was 1819 01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,599 Speaker 1: one of my favorite episodes ever. Zach, you are delight. 1820 01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:40,760 Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you and Andrew to be friends. 1821 01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,479 Speaker 1: I'm so excited for us to be friends again. UM 1822 01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,880 Speaker 1: and Zach, who what song right now? Are you most 1823 01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:48,800 Speaker 1: proud of that people can go and check out and 1824 01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,040 Speaker 1: get a really good taste of who you are and 1825 01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,759 Speaker 1: just be sold instantly. I I want to know, Um, 1826 01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:58,479 Speaker 1: I wish I had bad it's about your girlfriend now 1827 01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:04,519 Speaker 1: as great breath. She's got too good at breath. I 1828 01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:10,679 Speaker 1: can't believe it. She smells like a mint tree. Zach 1829 01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:12,840 Speaker 1: is so fucking good. And I haven't listened to your 1830 01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:14,920 Speaker 1: stuff for I mean, I still over the years would 1831 01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:17,280 Speaker 1: play people your stuff too. She would. I remember, like 1832 01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:19,120 Speaker 1: one of the first times we ever hung out, she 1833 01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:24,400 Speaker 1: played your stuff. Yeah, so yeah, thank you. I'm well, 1834 01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,759 Speaker 1: let me say, I'm definitely gonna send you the pillbugs 1835 01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:30,000 Speaker 1: a link to the pillbugs thing once we get out. Great. 1836 01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:32,200 Speaker 1: It's it's not how I would write it today. I 1837 01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:34,200 Speaker 1: listened to it when we became friends again. But you 1838 01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:35,559 Speaker 1: know whatever, you'll take it with a grain of song. 1839 01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:38,800 Speaker 1: It was. It was ten years the first lyric is 1840 01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,680 Speaker 1: I had this girl and when she spent the night, 1841 01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:43,719 Speaker 1: and I listened to it, and I was like, oh, 1842 01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,040 Speaker 1: not how I would phrase it. No, that's cool. I 1843 01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:48,080 Speaker 1: feel cool. I like that I had this girl when 1844 01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,240 Speaker 1: she's for the night. Hello, Yes, I was a girl 1845 01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,040 Speaker 1: that you had. I think, what's the song we can 1846 01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:56,320 Speaker 1: look at now? Damn. Everything that I want to point 1847 01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:58,599 Speaker 1: people too is from the cross Word show, My magnum 1848 01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:00,960 Speaker 1: Opus and the thing that I'm doing now days, so 1849 01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:03,920 Speaker 1: I'll send you a link to that too. But it's 1850 01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:06,160 Speaker 1: a song of mine called Red Thread that's going to 1851 01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:07,760 Speaker 1: be part of an upcoming show and it's like a 1852 01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:11,160 Speaker 1: rapt retelling of the myth of um theseus, the mythical 1853 01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:13,639 Speaker 1: hero like escaping from the labyrinth by following a red 1854 01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:16,320 Speaker 1: Thread out. It's it's dope, red Threat and it's out now. 1855 01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:20,920 Speaker 1: People can find it YouTube whatever. We'll follow up YouTube. 1856 01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:27,880 Speaker 1: Zach Sherwin not m C. Mr Napkin anymore, Okay, Zach Sherwin, Rwyn. 1857 01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:29,880 Speaker 1: If you're listening to this podcast, you should just listen 1858 01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:31,760 Speaker 1: to Pillbugs. It's gonna be much you don't listen to 1859 01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:34,760 Speaker 1: be I know that you're like overb probably, but it's 1860 01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:39,000 Speaker 1: called aggressive. That's a goodsive. It is so fucking good. 1861 01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:42,280 Speaker 1: It's so fucking good and it just is uh like 1862 01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,080 Speaker 1: it's yeah, I love it. I still I still love it. 1863 01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:47,800 Speaker 1: And I'm excited to listen to your new work and 1864 01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:49,920 Speaker 1: to be thank you. I'm so glad to be here. 1865 01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:54,080 Speaker 1: This was I just like, thank you the best. It 1866 01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:58,559 Speaker 1: was literally the best you're going to be in Let's 1867 01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:01,800 Speaker 1: cuddle going out or I love you, I love you 1868 01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:07,559 Speaker 1: also Sweet Noah's on the Fence. So much for listening 1869 01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,840 Speaker 1: today to this different kind of episode, but we had 1870 01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:13,520 Speaker 1: so much fun. We love you guys, Thank you Busties, 1871 01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:14,720 Speaker 1: don't be and