1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Breeding. Hello, and welcome back to 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: the show. My name is Dana. They call me Doc Holiday. 6 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: Alexis code name Dot Holiday Jackson. To be specific. We 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: are here as always with our super producer pole mission 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: controlled decond. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, 9 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. 10 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,639 Speaker 1: You may have noticed, fellow conspiracy realists, that something out 11 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: of the ordinary is happening here. There is a disturbance 12 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: in the force. Do not adjust your speakers. M Ben 13 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: Matten knows voices did not get higher over the weekend. 14 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: I was actually happening here. Of the day that this 15 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: is being released, Monday, March eight is International Women's Day, 16 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: so I Heart Radio is doing an initiative to sort 17 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: of observe the day by um, you know, spotlighting female 18 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: artists on the radio stations and having female hosts of 19 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: podcasts take over some of your favorite podcasts, including stuff 20 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know, um or you know, 21 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: the too long didn't read to quote the six time 22 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: Academy Award nominated film Captain Phillips. Look at us. We 23 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: are the captain now, but we're probably the captain for today. 24 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: You'll be back to your regularly scheduled program tomorrow, So 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: in the meantime, why not sit back, relax and enjoy 26 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: this delectable treat of spending some time with us. Yeah, 27 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: me and Dana are taking over the show. So, Danta, 28 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: do you want to tell us a little bit more 29 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: about yourself? Yeah, I am so happy to be here. Normally, 30 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: I am the host of Noble Blood, which is a 31 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: podcast that tells historical stories about royals from history that 32 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: I mean, semi coincidentally just usually happen to end in 33 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: bloodshell most of them. But it is an absolute treat 34 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: not just to be talking to myself in the dark closet, 35 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: and to actually have a co host that I can 36 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: I can chat with to to get to the bottom 37 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: of this really interesting topic that I've had so much 38 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: fun digging into. Yeah, yeah, same, So, like, seriously, thank 39 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: you for joining us. I'm excited that you're here. I'm 40 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: excited to be here. So yeah, let's let's start digging 41 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: into some of this stuff. That we've been looking at. So, 42 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: depending on where you are listening in the world, you 43 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: have probably heard of a little group of islands known 44 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: as Hawaii. Um. If you're listening from the United States, 45 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: you probably know it as one of the fifty states. 46 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: If you're listening from somewhere else in the world, you 47 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: might know it as a really beautiful vacation spot. If 48 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: you are in the United States military, you may have 49 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: been stationed there at some point at one of the 50 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: many military bases, but basically probably know it again as 51 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: one of the states in the United States without necessarily 52 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: knowing that much about the history of how it became 53 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: a state. Was actually talking to my dad randomly one 54 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: day in August, and we were talking about how not 55 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: that many people really know the story because one of 56 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 1: those things were just kind of told, you know, like, oh, yeah, 57 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: Hawaii is one of the fifty states, one of the 58 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: ones that's easiest to identify on a map, and like 59 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: we just sort of like accept that, you know, the 60 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: same way that we're told that Christopher Columbus discovered America 61 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: in fourteen ninety two, and then you know, how do 62 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: they tell us, you know, yeah, there were some people 63 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 1: that were already here, but they all got along swimmingly, 64 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: and they sat down and had the first Thanksgiving dinner together, 65 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: and everybody got along great. Yeah, just a just a 66 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: really great happy dinner. That's all I wanted, Just a 67 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: really nice, fun dinner. Yeah, seriously. And then you know, 68 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: eventually the United States like expanded west. Don't worry about that. 69 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: And then you know, some other things happened in history. 70 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: You know, there was this thing called slavery, and that 71 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: was sort of bad, but then Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves, 72 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: and then later like Martin Luther King said some stuff, 73 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: and then everybody skipped through field of daffodils and we 74 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: all live happily ever after. Right, you don't necessarily here 75 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: of some of the like atrocities that happened to indigenous 76 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: people here, which is what we're gonna be talking about today, 77 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: like sort of how the indigenous people of Hawaii played 78 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: into this whole history. Yeah, you don't necessarily hear about 79 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: those stories like the Trail of Tears or the things 80 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: that happened to um, you know, other people of color, 81 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: like the bombings of black cities. That's just not something 82 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: that you necessarily learn in grade school history. And I 83 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: say all the time that I feel like the world 84 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: would be a better place, and in particular, the United 85 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: States would be a better place if there was a 86 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: more comprehensive, thorough version of history taught in schools, because 87 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: we'd have like more empathy for one another and also 88 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: in an understanding of how these institutions came to be. 89 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: And so today I just really want to examine how 90 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: all of this played out in terms of yes, Hawaii's 91 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: a state, Hawaii is the fiftieth, like the last state 92 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: to be added to the Union, But how did the 93 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: people that were there before Americans got there? How did 94 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: they feel about this? So? And then is I think 95 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: so well said? And another thing is, if you're anything 96 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: like me, just like taking a p U S History 97 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: at a generic high school in the middle of America, 98 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: they just totally gloss over the actual process by which 99 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: a sovereign territory becomes a state, like the fact that 100 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: Hawaii was a a kingdom with a monarchy, a native population, 101 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: and a full functional government. That usually is like a 102 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: paragraph in history tech books. And then it's like and 103 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: then it became a state of the Union. And so 104 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: I also think it's worth examining the ways in which 105 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: I think a lot of Americans don't want to reckon 106 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: with the fact that America is sort of an international empire, 107 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: and the actual seizing of Hawaiian lands was not necessarily 108 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: legal even at the time, even by like the standards 109 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: that existed at the time. It skated the thinnest lines 110 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: of the law, which and in which we'll get to 111 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: I think it was, which we'll get to again. We 112 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: the American government apologized, but we didn't give back Hawaii. No, no, 113 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: we did not. So let's go ahead and start from 114 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: the beginning. Here are the fetes. So according to archaeologists, 115 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: this generally believed that um Hawaii was first settled in 116 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: somewhere between a three hundred CE and C by UM 117 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: like sort of a Polynesian migration that happened, and that's 118 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: how the islands were initially settled. The first European to 119 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: reach uh to reach the Hawaiian Islands was Captain James Cook, 120 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: who's really famous as like a British navigator and captain 121 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: in the Royal Navy. He's also really famous for his 122 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: voyages to Australia and so uh, if you if you 123 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: know one sort of British Navy figure. It's probably him. 124 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: He quote unquote discovered Hawaii in sevn Yeah, he's accidentally 125 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: stumbled upon Hawaii and he wrote about his findings, and 126 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: he wrote about how beautiful it was, and it attracted 127 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: more European visitors. But European visitors also meant that it 128 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: exposed the indigenous Hawaiian people to diseases like smallpox, measles, polio, 129 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: and by eighteen twenty, the population of native Hawaiians had 130 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: been cut down by more than half because remember there 131 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: was no inherent immunity in the native populations against these 132 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: European diseases, so the diseases absolutely ravaged the population. And 133 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: of course Hawaii was also really rich and natural resources. 134 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: So for a lot of Europeans who settled there for 135 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: a few generations, they made a lot of money, uh 136 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: exploiting some actually uh migrants from Asian countries on sugar 137 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: plantations and making a lot of money building sugar plantations there. Yeah, 138 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: And so like between all of these events, like the 139 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: population and the the land, like, there were so many 140 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: changes that Hawaii sort of went through after these first 141 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: couple of years. As a side note, Captain Cook was 142 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,559 Speaker 1: killed by Hawaiians after trying to kidnap their king, which 143 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: I just you know, think is an important attendance to 144 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: this whole story. Um. But anyways, saying all of that 145 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: to say that very early on, very quickly, it had 146 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: this huge impact on the population of Hawaiian According to 147 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: the Pew Research Center, one in seventeen native Hawaiians had 148 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: died within two years two years of Cook's arrival, and 149 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: by eighteen hundred the population had declined by forty percent, 150 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: and then by eighteen twenty and had declined by se 151 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: It just like dwindled. So it was like an immediate impact. 152 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: And then even more horrifical, I mean not more horrifically, 153 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 1: equally as horrifically. These Native Hawaiians lost their political rights 154 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: in the land something called the Bayonet what came to 155 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: be known as the Bayonet Constitution of eighteen eight seven 156 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: happened when a group of white landowners, some of the 157 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: born in Hawaii, uh some some immigrants. Basically what later 158 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: came out was they held the king at at bayonet 159 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: point and forced him to sign this constitution that turned 160 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: the Hawaiian monarchy into basically a powerless figurehead. And even 161 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: more insiduous, that constitution withheld the right to vote for 162 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: the legislature in Hawaii to only property owners with exorbitant 163 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,599 Speaker 1: property requirements, and they also explicitly refused the right to 164 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: vote to the many Asian immigrants who had come to 165 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: the island of Hawaii to work on these sugar plantations 166 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: predominantly owned by by white landowners. So now with these 167 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: new wealth restrictions and land restrictions on voting in Hawaii 168 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: meant that the majority of people, the majority of Native Hawaiians, 169 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: were no longer able to even vote. Yeah, And like 170 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: that's what I'm sort of crazy to think about, like 171 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: how that all played out. What the thing is is 172 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: this is going to be really important as a sort 173 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: of like domino effect or a snowball that throw rolling 174 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: down the hill that ultimately brings us to like the 175 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: rest of the things that happened, because at all this 176 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: is sort of something that happened gradually over time, that 177 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: started with the Bannet constitution Um, and then how that's 178 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: going to ultimately lead to the overthrow and annexation of 179 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: Hawaii and all that jazz. And so I think it's 180 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: important to note here that while all this is going on. 181 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: A person that's sort of, you know, the puppeteer behind 182 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: the scenes is pulling a lot of these strings. Is 183 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: the U S Minister to Hawaii, a man by the 184 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: name of John L. Stevens. Stevens gave a quote in 185 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: two that I think in bodies and sort of perfectly 186 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: represent uh the attitude that politicians in America had towards Hawaii. 187 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 1: And the words of John L. Stephens quote, the Hawaiian 188 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: pair is now fully ripe, and this is the golden 189 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: hour for the US to plug it. Here's where it 190 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: gets crazy. So a little bit of background before we 191 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: get into the actual coup that overthrew the Hawaiian government. 192 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: Hawaii was a monarchy, and not just a domestic monarchy 193 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: that only existed within the confines of the island itself. 194 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: It was an internationally recognized monarchy. In fact, the last 195 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: Queen of Hawaii, Queen liliukolani Uh when she was just 196 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: a princess when her brother was the was the king. 197 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: She was invited to Queen Victoria's Golden Jubilee in London 198 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: to celebrate Queen Victoria reigning for fifty years. Among all 199 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: of the other monarchs and princesses of the world. It 200 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: was actually at Queen Victoria's jubilee when she got word 201 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: that she had to return to Hawaii immediately because Hawaii 202 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: had been uh It's subject to the Bayonet constitution. Queen Liliuokolani, 203 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: even before she was an actual monarch in name, always 204 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: took a real leadership position in Hawaii and frequently acted 205 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: as regent when her older brother was away on on 206 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: business or travel. During one period in eighteen eighty one, 207 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: when she was acting as regent, there was a massive 208 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: smallpox epidemic in one of the ports of Hawaii. And 209 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: again remember that smallpox was incredibly deadly, especially to the 210 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: native population who had no natural immunity. Quinn Lilo Kolani 211 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: made the immediate and incredibly unpopular decision amongst businessmen to 212 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: close the ports. She contained. The outbreak deaths were limited, 213 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: it was by all accounts of humanitarian success. But to 214 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: the businessmen from that moment on, for that reason, amongst others, 215 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: she was an enemy. She was someone who fundamentally wanted 216 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: to protect the lives of natives over the business interests 217 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: of sugar plantation owners. So it was when Lilio Collani 218 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: finally became ween that the actual coup against her happened. 219 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: This coup was led by a group of powerful UH 220 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: white landowning men, UH, some of whom were born in Hawaii, 221 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 1: some of whom had immigrated later in life. But they 222 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: gathered together under something called that they called very ominously 223 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: the Committee of Safety, in order to overthrow the monarchy. 224 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: But they didn't do it alone. And here's where the 225 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: United States comes in. Though the United States knew that 226 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: it was illegal to go into a sovereign nation and 227 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: invade with their army, The USS Boston, which was a 228 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: navy ship, just a marine ship, pardon me, just landed 229 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: right on shore, right in view, called by John L. 230 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: Stevens to protect United States interests, which of course, in 231 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: this case was protecting the interests of the sugar plantation 232 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: owners who were doing this revolution, and the interests of 233 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 1: John L. Stevens himself. Like the role that he plays 234 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: in this is all just like very noteworthy. And the 235 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: president at the time, Grover Cleveland, is going to have 236 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: a lot to say about his role in this that 237 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about some more after we get 238 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: past the coup itself. Yeah, and one more just it's 239 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: it's boring to get into the nitty gritty. But a 240 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: lot of this comes down to not just wanting like 241 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: a nice vacation spot that they didn't need to show 242 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: their passports to get to. It came down to two 243 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: issues of sugar tariffs. Basically the Hawaiian In a nutshell, 244 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: and I'm vastly oversimplifying, but the United States had allowed 245 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: incredibly favorable tariffs with Hawaii for the sugar imports and 246 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: also the imports of things like pineapples, which, uh Stanford 247 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: Dole who if you now know doll pineapples, He was 248 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: a major character, a major player in this, in this 249 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: little arrangement. But then a little bit later, what happened 250 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: was there was a new tax law that then lowered 251 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: tariffs for all international shipments. So then the United States 252 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: was flooded with cheaper sugar from all over the world, 253 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: and those favorable conditions that were limited to just to 254 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: why previously we're eliminated. So now these landowners really had 255 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: their eye on being annexed by the United States and 256 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: eventually becoming a state, because it would make sugar trading 257 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: much more lucrative. So it comes down to money in 258 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: a really gross way, and also, of course the just 259 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: complete racist disregard for a sovereign people that already exist. 260 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: So here we are. We are spinning a tale of 261 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: money and treachery and pineapple and sugar, and we're going 262 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: to find out why the rest of this history is 263 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: not so sweet. After a word from our sponsors, all right, 264 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: and we're bet So far we've talked a little bit 265 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: about the history of Hawaii, starting from when it was settled, 266 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: and then what happened after their first contact with Westerners 267 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: and the disease, and now all of this is sort 268 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: of coming to a head as we get to this 269 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: actual overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy in eight On January sixteenth, 270 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: the Queen's Minister of the Kingdom actually got a tip 271 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: that a coup was coming, and he actually requested arrest 272 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: warrants for all thirteen members of the remember quote unquote 273 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: Committee of Safety, which was this group of thirteen incredibly wealthy, 274 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: well connected white landowning men. But the cabinet was nervous 275 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: about all out warfare, and they knew that these men 276 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: were incredibly connected, especially with the United States military, who 277 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: were very close at hand and so the cabinet denied 278 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: the arrest warrants. The very next day, there's a Hawaiian 279 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: policeman who tries to inspect a creative weapons that are 280 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:03,359 Speaker 1: being gathered by the Committees paramilitary group that they're assembling 281 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: in in a preparation for this coup. The native Hawaiian 282 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: policeman is shot. He survives, but he is the only 283 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: physical bloodshed that happens in this bloodless coup. Because the 284 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: queen is uh from her view in the palace, she 285 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: can literally see the USS Boston, the marine ship approach 286 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: with nearly two marines on shore. The orders of the 287 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: USS Boston or two this is very nebulous protect American 288 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: business interests, and they could have justified that, well, chaos 289 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: is bad for business, they said, the USS Boston, I'm 290 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: paraphrasing that, you know, they would only get in that 291 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: America is just supervising that they would only get involved 292 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: if there was fighting, which you know is like, okay, 293 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: well that's great, but now, how how is she supposed 294 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: to defend herself from this paramilitary group that's trying to 295 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: overthrow her population there, Well, we're just oper owning, like 296 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: like you're at the middle school of dance. We won't 297 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: get involved unless you're dancing too flows and you know, 298 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: we're worried about your purity. They're chaperoning because like we 299 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: don't just in case she tried to protect her country. 300 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: Where chaperoning to make sure that this is a bloodless coup. 301 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: The coup is happening, but we just want to make 302 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: sure it's a bloodless coup. Yeah, no, seriously, And so 303 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: basically what happens in order to stop bloodshed. The queen 304 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: just sort of says, Okay, you know, I'll step down, 305 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: I'll surrender. But then she sends a letter to the 306 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: president saying, hey, basically, I'm sort of surrendering to the 307 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: US government and you all are going to fix this 308 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: and restore hawaiis who is you know, natural monarchy? Right? Yeah, 309 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: So that um, basically, when this whole coup was being organized, 310 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: the president at the time was Benjamin Harrison, who was 311 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 1: very pro imperialist and very pro annexing Hawaii, and the 312 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: the I'm doing air quotes every time I say the 313 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: Committee of Safety knew that if they overthrew the Hawaiian 314 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: monarchy while Harrison was president, that he would easily that 315 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: Benjamin Harrison would would easily want to annexed as a state. 316 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: But then unfortunately, Grover Cleveland gets elected. And Grover Cleveland 317 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: was incredibly anti imperialist, if you might recall from your 318 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: the A p U. S History class. So maybe Cleveland 319 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: is the only president who served two non consecutive terms, 320 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: and just to plant you in this story, this is 321 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: the second of his non consecutive terms. So Cleveland realizes 322 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: that something messed up happened in Hawaii and that the 323 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: United States was involved, and so he appoints a former 324 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: congressman named James Blount to independently investigate what had happened 325 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: during the overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy, thinking, Okay, something 326 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: happened here and and I know the US was involved 327 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: and probably in a bad yeah. So this report is 328 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: released six months almost to the day after the coup, 329 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: and it's a hundred and forty two paid report condemning 330 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: the takeover of Hawaii, and Blaut even uses the words 331 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: as an act of war. Meanwhile, Grover Cleveland, President Grover 332 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: Cleveland is saying that he's ashamed of the whole affair. 333 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: Another quote from him that I think is really worthwhile 334 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: from his message relating to the Hawaiian Islands from December. 335 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: He says, there is no pretense of any consent on 336 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,719 Speaker 1: the part of the government of the Queen, which at 337 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: that time was undisputed and was both the de facto 338 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: and the des jura government. And it appears that Hawaii 339 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: was taken possession of by the United States forces without 340 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: the consent or wish of the governor of the islands 341 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: or of anybody else so far as shown except the 342 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: United States Minister, the dude that we referenced earlier, Mr 343 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: John L. Stevens, who I also want to point out 344 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: there's another quote from the U. S. National Archives and 345 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: Records Administration that says, you know, without permission from the 346 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: U S State Toment, Minister Stevens recognized the new government 347 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: and proclaimed Hawaii US protectorate like this was a lot 348 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: like he was pulling a lot of the strings here 349 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: and not necessarily with the full blessing of the United 350 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: States government at the time. Oh absolutely not. Actually, in 351 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: an address to Congress, because President Cleveland is so disappointed 352 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: by this entire situation, he literally states that the Hawaiian 353 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: government had quote been overthrown and now I'm starting the quote, 354 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: sorry about that, uh quote, by an act of war 355 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: committed with the participation of a diplomatic representative of the 356 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: United States and without authority of Congress. I mean he 357 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: the Blount Report Live basically determined that the U. S. Minister, 358 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: this Johnny L character, had landed the USS Boston Marine 359 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: ship under false pretenses to support the coup. That that, 360 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: in effect, is an illegal act of war that he 361 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: did independently without Congress supporting it. Yeah, so I keep 362 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: all of that in mind. Also keep in mind what 363 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 1: we said earlier about how Native Hawaiians have been disenfranchised 364 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: from voting, you know, a few years prior. There's just 365 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: like a lot of pieces that are coming into play 366 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: here about how this law shakes out. So Queen Lilio 367 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: Kalani at the time, she wrote several letters like over 368 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,239 Speaker 1: the course of a few years, but then this one 369 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: in particular. What I want to point out is that 370 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: she says, you know, I call upon the President and 371 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: the National Legislature and the people of the United States 372 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: to do justice in this matter and to restore to 373 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: me this property, the enjoyment of which is being withheld 374 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,719 Speaker 1: by your government. And she also refers to it as 375 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: a misapprehension of her right entitle So again, like this 376 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: was not she didn't just say, Okay, you guys, it's fine, 377 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, you all can take Hawaii. Like that never 378 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: really happened. Like she was still protesting this even years later. 379 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: And also I think it's worth noting that Native Hawaiians 380 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: were also protesting at the time. You know, there were 381 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: petitions that were signed by tens of thousands of Native 382 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: Hawaiians saying that they did not support this, that they 383 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: did not want any of this to be happening. And 384 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: so the thing is, as we talk about the history 385 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: of how Hawaii became a state and how Native Hawaiians 386 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: like fell into this as it was happening, it's just, 387 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 1: you know, this is like all important to note that, 388 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: like one by a lot of different people in the 389 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: United States government at the time, you know, President Grover Cleveland, um, 390 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: other members of Congress who were like, yo, this isn't cool, 391 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: or this isn't legal. Like there were a lot of 392 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: different sort of like pieces that were connected here at 393 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: the same time. Yeah, And and Queen Liliuokalani never I mean, 394 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: she didn't give up this fight to to get the 395 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: United States too not only recognize what they had done wrong, 396 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: but actively work in helping to to reverse it. She actually, 397 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: Queen Liliuokalani, actually comes to the United States and meets 398 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: with a representative of President Cleveland, who says, yes, the 399 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: United States could be willing to help her return to 400 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: the throne, but only under the condition that she gave 401 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: a full pardon to the group of conspirators who tried 402 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: to depose her. And I think justifiably, Leo Colonni is like, 403 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: are you getting a full parden too, people who literally 404 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: tried to who just overthrew my government, Like I'm gonna 405 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: consult my counsel punish the traders at least like banish 406 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: them like something. You can't just like illegally overthrew a 407 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: monarchy and not get in trouble. Yeah, and for what 408 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: it's worth, you know. She even pointed out like from 409 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: the Hawaiian Constitution, I think she referenced actually the Bayonet 410 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: Constitution and like what it said they're in about how 411 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: treason or like how something like this was supposed to 412 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: be approached. So it wasn't like she was just like 413 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: off with their heads, you know. She was following the 414 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: constitution of Hawaii. And you know, it's it's funny enough 415 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: that you say, off with her heads, because if you 416 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: can imagine, the nineteenth century was incredibly racist and mothering 417 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: in terms of a woman who wore sometimes native Hawaiian 418 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 1: dress and came to Washington like she was celebrated more 419 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: as a like anomaly and like I'm I'm using this 420 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: word again with air quotes, so that like her exotic 421 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: nous was something that people were I thought, we're appealing, 422 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: like appealing or interesting. But then by the time that 423 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: you know, she was demanding the United States helped her 424 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: revert her kingdom to its rightful authority, propaganda papers were 425 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: uh painting her as a like dark skinned barbarian queen 426 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: who was literally calling for those American businessmen to be 427 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: beheaded in the streets. And Lilio Colonni wrote about in 428 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: her memoir talking about hearing that charge against her being 429 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: repeated so much, and though she quote immediately sent my 430 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: protests that I had not used those words attributed to me. 431 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: So just the incredibly like racist and mothering immediate at 432 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: the time, who saw her as like this strange and 433 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: wild woman was like, oh, because she wants to punish 434 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,479 Speaker 1: these traders. She's going to be heading rich Americans. And 435 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: she's like, no, I'm not, I just I want them 436 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: to have face legal retribution through the law. And there's 437 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: like all this here saying like how she's represented, excuse 438 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: how she's represented in the media. And of course, you know, 439 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: in this day and a she doesn't have her own 440 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: Twitter account where she can go on and reach the 441 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: message and say, hey, guys, I didn't say that. So 442 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: like this of course impacts the way that general you know, 443 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: sort of like the American populace views the situation, and 444 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 1: over time will sort of see how the shift in 445 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: the like popular opinion and also in particular the opinions 446 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: or the different positions that people have in Congress, how 447 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: that all affects how things play out. But you know, 448 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: even so, Queen Lolio Colonni wants the monarchy restored, and 449 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: so eventually then does agree to those full pardons. But 450 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: by then the provisional government in Hawaii had consolidated it 451 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: told UH and Cleveland sort of had less clout when 452 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: it came to the issue of Hawaii, and so since 453 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: Congress UH was controlled at the time, this feels like 454 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: such a modern story like ages old at time of 455 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: like a president who wants to get something done but 456 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: doesn't really have enough power to go against Congress. Congress 457 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: was controlled by Cleveland's Republican enemies, and so they commissioned 458 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: their own investigation, which was chaired by a former Confederate 459 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: general was also a Grand Dragon of the Oh yeah, 460 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: so nothing nothing bad there. Uh. They had their own investigation, which, surprise, surprise, 461 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: reported that actually America hadn't done anything wrong in the coup, 462 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: and so the matter is solved. That's it, and Cleveland's 463 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: Grover Cleveland's hands were tied. So that was as far 464 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: as Queen Lilio Klani could go with America trying to 465 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: hold America accountable for how they had participated. Yeah, and 466 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: the thing to note is that, you know, there are 467 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: like opposing positions about this in terms of like how 468 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: people feel about it or how people view it. Um 469 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: another senator that I want to point out in eight, 470 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: because this is when we're sort of getting to the 471 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: actual annexation. You know, we've already had the overthrow and 472 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: they proclaimed it the Republic of Hawaii, and this is 473 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: when we're going to start to get into when it 474 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: becomes like a U. S. Territory. And but I want 475 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: to point out this quote because I think it's really 476 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: interesting this is happening, um as they were getting ready 477 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: to annex it as a congressional joint resolution. Because the 478 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: thing is, it's like the Republic, the Republic of Hawaii 479 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: had already drafted a treaty basically, and they were trying 480 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: to pass through through Congress, but it didn't have enough 481 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: votes to be passed, particularly because as I mentioned earlier, 482 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: you know, you had Native Hawaiians that were signing petitions 483 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: saying that they didn't want this, they didn't want to 484 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: be annexed. And you know, at the time, this particular 485 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: petition was signed by more than twenty one thousand and 486 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: Native Hawaiians, which was most of the population of Native 487 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: Hawaiian adults at the time. This is in eight seven. 488 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: Those petitions can be found in the records of the U. S. 489 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: Senate and then the National Archives and Record. You can 490 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: actually like see the petitions with the signatures if you're interested. So, yeah, 491 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: as Alex saying, with these petitions, Native Hawaiians are absolutely 492 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: protesting this provisional government turned at annexation turned occupational statehood. 493 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: Queen Lolio Collani, her own home is ransacked and she's 494 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: brought in front of a military court, and she has 495 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: hundreds of supporters that are arrested in protesting. Six of 496 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: her supporters were scheduled to be hanged and in order 497 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: to spare their lives. That the thing that I think 498 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: has driven Queen Lilio Collani, at least in my reading, 499 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: her entire life is trying to protect the lives of 500 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: her people, and her final act of sacrifice is in 501 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: order to spare the lives of these six protesters. Queen 502 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: Lilio Collani formally renownce as her throne. Yeah, and so 503 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: you know, like I was saying, of course the initial 504 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: treaty did not make it through Congress, but what happens 505 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: around this time is that the Spanish American War starts. 506 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: The site. Oh now, Hawaii is like a useful location 507 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,959 Speaker 1: in terms of refueling, it's like a strategic location to have. 508 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: So now the people that are pro annexation sort of 509 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: present this to Congress as a joint resolution to annex 510 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: and then that requires less votes, So now it goes through. 511 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: But I want to point out this specific quote from 512 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: one of the senators that was involved in this In 513 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: the Constitution is territorial in its operation. It cannot have 514 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: any binding force or operation beyond the territorial limits of 515 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: the government in which they are promulgated. In other words, 516 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: the Constitution um cannot reach across the territorial boundaries of 517 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: the United States into the territorial domain of another government 518 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,239 Speaker 1: and affect that government or persons or property therein. He 519 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: like said again reiterated two years later that he utterly 520 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: repudiates the power of Congress to annex the Hawaiian Islands 521 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: by a joint resolution such as passed in the Senate. 522 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: It is if so fact, oh no, in void. So 523 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: you have this annexation happening. You have people that are 524 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: in the government speaking out and saying, hey, you can't 525 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: just write a resolution saying that this is a part 526 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: of the United States now, the same way the Hawaii 527 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: can't buy their legislature right one and say hey, okay, 528 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: now we own the United States. And then the Republicans 529 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: to just recognize the Hawaii is a very strategic location 530 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: are like, well, yes, we we just can write this 531 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: resolution and an accent yep we're gonna that's just what 532 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna do. Yeah, So, like now this happens um 533 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: and eventually, so this is all this is all happening 534 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: with in right. So now it's officially Hawaii is officially 535 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: like a U. S territory, and now we have things 536 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: that are starting to come into play where like Hawaii 537 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: eventually becomes a state and how it becomes a state, 538 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 1: and then also like what the United Nations has to 539 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,719 Speaker 1: say about how this whole procedure went out and we're 540 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: gonna talk more about that. So just everybody take a 541 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: moment to imagine, right. There was actually a new story 542 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: about this recently where this woman came home and there 543 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: were two men that are broken into her house and 544 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: they were like sitting on her couch and she called 545 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: the police and they're like, wait, do you all live 546 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: here or does she live here? And she's like, yo, 547 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: this is my house. And they asked the men like 548 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: what's the number on the door, and they were like, oh, 549 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,959 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. Anyways, I don't remember exactly 550 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: how that situation got resolved. But just you know, imagine 551 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: this for a second, Like you come home, but you know, 552 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: some strangers have, you know, broken into your home and 553 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: they're living there and you're sort of waiting for the 554 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: police to come do something about this. The police don't 555 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: come do anything about it, and then all of a sudden, 556 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: these two people are like, yeah, so we signed a 557 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: treaty saying that we're gonna make your house a part 558 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: of this thing over here, and it's like, wait, how 559 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: are you making decisions about my house? And that's like 560 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: kind of kind of where we're at. So, you know, 561 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: it's not the best analogy in the world, but just 562 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: why I like it. I think it that's exactly it 563 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: it does. It feels like with the question of whether 564 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: the annexation of why was legal at all, it's like 565 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: the United States just deliberating and determining whether or not 566 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: this was a legal coupe and then a validnexation, and 567 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: it's like, well, why are you over there the ones 568 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: deciding whether or not this was right. You're the ones 569 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: who did this. Yeah, seriously. So we've like talked about 570 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: some of the way that this all played out. UM. 571 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: I also want to point out that even like from 572 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: the Department of the Interior, they say that the United 573 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: States ann x y quote without the consent of or 574 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: compensation to the indigenous people of Hawaii or their sovereign government, 575 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: who were thereby denied the mechanism for expression of their 576 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,239 Speaker 1: inherent sovereignty through self government and self determination. So this 577 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: is a quote from the Department of the Interior, the 578 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: U s Department of the Interior from two sixteen. Right. 579 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: So there's instances where we can see people even now 580 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: still questioning this um from the United Nations standpoint, because again, 581 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: when it comes to things like international law, unfortunately it's 582 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: not as easy as you know, when you come home 583 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: to your house and there's two men in there, they're 584 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,479 Speaker 1: broke in and you call the police, Like, who do 585 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: you call about? International law? Right? And so of course 586 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: one of the authorities that are kind of reference are 587 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: spoken to in situations like this. We have United Nations, 588 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: and we also have things like the Permanent Court of Arbitration, 589 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: which is sort of like recognized by United Nations, right, Yeah, 590 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 1: when the tricky thing with that Permanent Court of Arbitrations 591 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: is they don't really I mean and the United Nations, 592 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: they don't really have real power in terms of actually 593 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: dealing with consequences if the people don't want to obey, 594 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: obey their their jurisdiction. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Uh, if from 595 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: the Permanent Court of Arbitration. Uh, they allege that, quote, 596 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: the government of the Hawaiian Kingdom is in continual violation 597 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: of a It's eighteen forty nine Treaty of Friendship, Commerce 598 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: and Navigation with the United States of America, as well 599 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: as the principles of international law laid down in the 600 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: Vienna Convention on the Law of Treatises nineteen sixty nine, 601 00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: and be quote continuing the principles of international comedy for 602 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: allowing the unlawful imposition of American municipal laws over the 603 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: claimant person within the territorial jurisdiction of the Hawaiian Kingdom. Yeah, 604 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,240 Speaker 1: and this is from Larsen versus. This is from Larsen 605 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 1: versus the Hawaiian Kingdom. This is a case in the 606 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,479 Speaker 1: Permanent Court of Arbitration. From The reason why we're bringing 607 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 1: this up is the point out that, yeah, we've been 608 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: talking about some stuff that happened in theory like a 609 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: hundred years ago, but this is still like somewhat of 610 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: an ongoing thing today and there are still Native Hawaiians 611 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: even today that are protesting or fighting for their sovereignty 612 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: and still saying like, hey, guys, seriously, I'm snapping. I 613 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: don't know if you walk and hear it, but hey, guys, 614 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: like this thing that happened, This was like a wrong 615 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: that happened, and we're still dealing with this. You know, 616 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: it has never really been addressed. And so um this 617 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: case in particularly we're talking about in the Permanent Court 618 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: of Arbitration, which like I said, is recognized by United Nations. 619 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: Lance Paul Larson, a resident of Hawaiian, sought redressed from 620 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: the Hawaiian Kingdom for its failure to protect him from 621 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: the United States and the States of Hawaii. Because the 622 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: whole idea is, you know, is there a thing you 623 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: know from their from their standpoint, is the state of 624 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: Hawaii a thing? Right? And so that's sort of like 625 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: what's going on today is that you have Native Hawaiians 626 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: that are still fighting for their sovereignty, still saying like, hey, 627 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: this is not the state of Hawaii. This is an 628 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: illegal occupation that has been going on for the past 629 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: one hundred years. And also, while we're talking about the 630 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: United Nations, even um Dr Alfred Desais, who was the 631 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: United Nations Independent expert for the Office of the High 632 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: Commissioner for Human Rights INEN. So this is recent, this 633 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: is this is like to this is in February, so 634 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: literally three years ago, almost to the day. And he's like, 635 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: you know, as a professor of international law and the 636 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: former secretary of the You and Human Rights Committee, we 637 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: sort of need to examine this. And he says that 638 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: it's a nation's state that is under a strange form 639 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: of occupation by the United States resulting from an illegal 640 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: military occupation and a fraudulent annexation. As such, international laws 641 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: parentheses the Hague and Geneva Conventions required that the governance 642 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,720 Speaker 1: and legal matters within the occupied territory of the Hawaiian 643 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: Islands must be administered by the application of the laws 644 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: of the occupied state, in this case the Hawaiian Kingdom, 645 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: not the domestic laws of the occupier, the United States. 646 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: So the point of this is that there are still 647 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: a question here, a question that has not really been 648 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: officially answered. It's a really tricky situation. I think it 649 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: goes back to uh, I mean Grover Cleveland presidency, when 650 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: the Republicans in Congress were like, well, we issued our 651 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 1: own commission and it concluded that we're fine, so case 652 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: clos we're done. Like I think, at least in the 653 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 1: United States mine they wanted this to be a closed 654 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: case and case closed, UH for ever since it happened 655 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: in in fifty three, actually, on the one hundred year 656 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: anniversary of the overthrow of Hawaii of the Hawaiian Kingdom 657 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: in UH, President Bill Clinton actually issued an apology resolution, 658 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: which again I mean, it's it's good to to recognize, 659 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: but it's still sort of like, okay, case closed, we're done. 660 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: Now it's done, we're good thumbs up by at least 661 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 1: it's a little bit how it how it read to 662 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: me like no one wants, No one in in American 663 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: politics wants to really reckon with the sense of their 664 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: past in a meaningful way other than be like we 665 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: we see it and we're done and and that's a 666 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: and at least they're like acknowledging that it happened, which 667 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: is why the apology resolution was like sort of a start. 668 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: But the thing is, it's like the thing about acknowledging 669 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: that it happened, it's like, Okay, now we're looking at 670 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 1: the sort of real world or like present day and 671 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: manifestations or ramifications of how that played out, and that's 672 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: where you bring in things like the Hawaiian sovereignty movement, 673 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: which you know present day, like for example, you have 674 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: different groups of Native Hawaiians of Indigenous Hawaiians that are 675 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: fighting for tribal s renty like federal recognition because for example, 676 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: like Indigenous Americans in the continental US have that, and 677 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: Indigenous Hawaiians do not have that at this point. And 678 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: so that is where you set up basically sort of 679 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,919 Speaker 1: like a government to government recognition where they recognize them 680 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 1: as sort of like an independent nation, the way that 681 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,919 Speaker 1: you have with many of the tribes of indigenous people 682 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,800 Speaker 1: like on the continents with US, and like they currently 683 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: don't have that. So there are some people in the 684 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: Hawaiian sovereignty movement that want to have tribal sovereignty, whereas 685 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: there are other people that are like the United States 686 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: shouldn't even have the jurisdiction to bestow that on us, 687 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: because we should have complete independence, like this is an 688 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: illegal occupation. And I think it's worth noting that, similar 689 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: to indigenous people's like on the mainland, that there are 690 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: a lot of instances where like all of these things 691 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: are still impacting these people to this day, you know, 692 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: like Native Hawaiians have, you know, higher rates of health issues, 693 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 1: like higher rates of homelessness. Like if you look at 694 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: the median income of people of you know, different races 695 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: and demographics that live in Hawaii, you see that Native 696 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 1: Hawaiians have a media like a lower median income, and 697 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 1: there are statistics about this, Like there's empirical data that 698 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: shows the way that these people are like still being impacted. Yeah. 699 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: I think that's incredibly important bringing that into the twenty 700 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,800 Speaker 1: century and realizing that these I say, stories from history 701 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: in a way that I hope doesn't sound derivative, but 702 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: but stories from history that can seem like they're you know, 703 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 1: closed case textbooks still has still have modern ramifications and 704 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: political issues to this day. 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