1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 2: It's almost Famous podcast. 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 3: And as the drama unfolds with the bachelorettes, Taylor, Frankie, Paul, 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 3: we're bringing you all the latest news. The team has 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 3: been working overnight gathering information and hearing from sources and 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 3: trying to understand one I think the big questions is 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 3: the season going to happen? Should it happen? I think 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 3: is a question all of us should be asking, should 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 3: it even happen at this point? And then also what happened? 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 3: What's going on? There's so much information out there that 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 3: we really need to get clarity on what exactly went down. 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 3: I have producer Heather with me today, who has stayed 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 3: up all night working through this show and gathering the 15 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 3: information that's necessary. We're going to be sharing some things 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 3: from our sources and speaking about some alleged information we have, 17 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 3: but also sharing some information that we know to be 18 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 3: true because we've been able to confirm it. Heather, let's 19 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: start with the kind of the I think the thing 20 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 3: that made us understand right away, you know, the news 21 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 3: broke that I believe the first news was that Mormon 22 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 3: wives had stopped filming, and yes, they had stopped filming 23 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: because of some type of issue. I think was the 24 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 3: original information we got that happened with Taylor, Frankie, Paul. 25 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 4: And Dakota is specifically they said and Dakota they stopped 26 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 4: filming because of it. 27 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 3: Do you know do we know have we heard if 28 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 3: they stopped filming because the cast or because the show said, Hey, 29 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 3: we shouldn't be filming in the midst of something like this. 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 4: All the sources that we've seen have confirmed that the 31 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 4: women on the show have united together and have decided 32 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 4: to not film because they have been told they can't 33 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 4: address what has been happening between Taylor and Dakota. And 34 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 4: I think anybody that's watched the show over multiple seasons 35 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 4: has seen these other cast members have to really go 36 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 4: through the fire, whether that was cheating, allegations in their 37 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 4: own marriage, things with their businesses, things with their exes. 38 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 4: And so the grasp that I'm seeing from all of 39 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 4: this coverage is that they're kind of fed up, that 40 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 4: they're kind of over the idea that, you know, they're 41 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 4: supposed to be sharing their reality, but they're not supposed 42 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 4: to really be talking about what's going on in their 43 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 4: reality right now, which is this drama that they keep 44 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 4: getting thrown into. 45 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: Here's here's a part before we dive into some of 46 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 3: the headlines that I'm really confused about, Heather, and maybe 47 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 3: you can help me make sense of it. We've been 48 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 3: doing these Frankie Fridays to get to know Taylor Frankie 49 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: Paul better. 50 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: She's been very. 51 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: Vulnerable, especially on social media, with her struggles mentally and 52 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: the mount of things she's trying to carry and the 53 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: weight of those things on her life. So we've seen 54 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 3: that side of it. But what I'm confused by is 55 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: this puzzle that I can't make sense of. So the 56 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 3: Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is under the same umbrella 57 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 3: as The Bachelorette. The same people are in, you know, 58 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: heading up both shows. At the very top, they know, 59 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 3: based on filming Secret Lives and Mormon Wives, that Taylor 60 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: Frankie Paul slept with the Code of the night before 61 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 3: she went on the Bachelorette. It was shown on television. Right, 62 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 3: This is not like a rumor. This is something that happened. 63 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 3: We saw on television. Yes, and then Season four of 64 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: Secret Lives of Mormon Wives does not make Taylor look great. Right, 65 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 3: It kind of doubles down on a lot of the 66 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 3: things that we've wondered about or been curious about, or 67 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 3: kind of that quote unquote messy storyline that we you know, 68 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 3: entered into when Taylor was announced to The Bachelorette. I 69 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: guess my question for you, as a fan of both, 70 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 3: why would they make their next lead look the way 71 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 3: they're looking on Secret Lives of Mormon wives? And why 72 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 3: would they continue filming The Bachelorette knowing that the night 73 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 3: before she went on the show she was still really 74 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 3: like engaged and not engaged like in a ring on 75 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 3: the finger since, but interested in this guy that she 76 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 3: has shown interest in for many years. 77 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, those are really good questions. I mean, listen, I 78 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 4: think from a producer standpoint, my guess would be that 79 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 4: they're looking for as much mess as can happen. Right. 80 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 4: She gets there and she's maybe got these conflicting feelings, 81 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 4: and you know, I think we talked about the idea 82 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 4: of maybe Dakota showing up mid season, but we heard 83 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 4: from him that that doesn't happen. So I think there 84 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 4: was that and you know, maybe that's that cliffhanger that 85 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 4: they leave you on at the end of season four 86 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,559 Speaker 4: of Mormon Wives is because he says, save a rose 87 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 4: for me. So maybe somebody that's not following the headlines 88 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 4: is now going to tune in to Bachelorette to see, like, 89 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 4: does he go and get her? Do they get back together? 90 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 4: Obviously one you know, quick scan of the internet can 91 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 4: tell you kind of what's happened, And I think that's 92 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 4: also kind of been upsetting for a lot of fans 93 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 4: that were wanting to see how this all panned out 94 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 4: for her, because they are ultimately thinking now that she 95 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 4: didn't end up it with anybody, because there's still something 96 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 4: going on with Dakota and now we don't have confirmation 97 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 4: on that because we don't know, and she could she 98 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 4: could very well be seeing two people at the same time. 99 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 4: It's not unheard of, but I hear what you're saying, 100 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 4: and I totally understand. You know, the writing was on 101 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 4: the wall with this one for sure, And that's I 102 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 4: said this earlier on another episode, is that you know 103 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,239 Speaker 4: the fact that this incident happened on the twenty third 104 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 4: of February and we did not hear about it until 105 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 4: Sunday night after she walked the carpet at the Oscars 106 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 4: and after her special airt on ABC is not coincidental. 107 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 4: This is a very calculated move and there's no way 108 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 4: that anybody was caught off guard by this information hitting 109 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 4: the mass media on Sunday night. It was very much 110 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 4: in the know. Obviously, the crew knows that they've been 111 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 4: down on secret lives and Mormon wives. They've been chatting 112 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 4: cast members know, so there's a lot of people that 113 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 4: knew that this was going on. It just hit the 114 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 4: mass media on Sunday night. 115 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 3: But why, I guess who. There's so many different angles here. 116 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 3: One if the producers and the people at the head 117 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 3: know that she's struggling mentally, that's kind of what's being 118 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 3: thrown around, right. She is struggling mentally, and they are 119 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: looking to capitalize on that at the sake of not 120 00:06:55,440 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 3: only her, but others, not only like a really terrible strategy. 121 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 3: It feels very detrimental. And here's why I can't get 122 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: rid of We got in trouble for this years ago. 123 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: The show doesn't have the best track record right now 124 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 3: of casting people or doing background checks on people who 125 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: are not do not have a history of making really 126 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: bad life decisions. Now again, there's forgiveness and there's grace, 127 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 3: and there's things of Hey, that was ten years ago. 128 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 3: I've changed, or I've learned from my mistakes. I have 129 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 3: space for that. But it doesn't mean you come on 130 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 3: a reality show looking to find your partner in the 131 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 3: front of all of us and put yours and make 132 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 3: yourself susceptible to the criticisms and the praise that come 133 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: with this show that mentally is taxing on itself. So 134 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 3: I don't know if they were all very aware. It 135 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 3: seems like from what we're going to dive into now, 136 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: obviously it happened in February, they were aware enough. 137 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 4: Exactly, they were aware enough to where I think they 138 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 4: could have gotten in front of it in a different 139 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 4: way than they're choosing to do now in the aftermath. 140 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 4: I'm with you, Ben, it is capitalizing on somebody's poor 141 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 4: mental health and poor decisions. And that's when as a 142 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 4: network and as a television show, you do have to 143 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 4: start making some moral decisions on should we be doing this? 144 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 4: Not that we can, because you can do it, but 145 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 4: should we be doing this kind of programming? And I've 146 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 4: been in that situation. I was telling Ashley where I 147 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 4: have worked on television shows that were very much conflict 148 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 4: driven with couples and people in very toxic relationships, and 149 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 4: I was made to pin people against each other and 150 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 4: it was very gross and it was not a good 151 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 4: feeling inside, which is why I don't do that kind 152 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 4: of content anymore. But yeah, you clearly have two people 153 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 4: that are not only not meant for each other, but 154 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 4: are very much struggling in their own way, and unfortunately, 155 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 4: there's a child caught in the middle. And that is 156 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 4: the stance that everybody should be really thinking about right now. 157 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 4: And yes, we've seen her checking in and going off 158 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 4: the grid for periods of time, but that's clearly not working. 159 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 4: So I think she needs something a little bit more intensive, 160 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 4: and I think he needs help as well. 161 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 2: Let's dive into the headlines. 162 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: This is where it was kind of the big moment 163 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 3: for us, as we found out that the former Bachelorettes 164 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 3: pull out of media dinner in New York City. Heather 165 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 3: tell us what we know. This was kind of the 166 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 3: way this not only has hit the news streams, but 167 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: it's also now affecting cast members from previous seasons who 168 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 3: had this planned event. 169 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we can confirm. We heard from multiple sources 170 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 4: that there was to be a media dinner tonight for 171 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 4: the Bachelorette with former bachelorettes in attendance, and those bachelorettes 172 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 4: were Charity Lawson, Katie Thurston, Joan Vassos, and Tasha Adams. 173 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 4: And we hear that the women decided on their own 174 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 4: to unite and not attend this event together. What do 175 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 4: you think that means, Ben, when they decide to band 176 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 4: together and not go to something that was going to 177 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 4: be attended by the media. 178 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 3: Well, I think for me, there would be a lot 179 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 3: of different outcomes that that could be meaning. But I 180 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 3: think the best way to get a picture of what 181 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: was happening was I don't know if this was necessarily 182 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 3: like a hey, let's not go because we don't want 183 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 3: to support Taylor, right. A lot of these women we know, 184 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 3: and I think no matter what decisions anybody has made, 185 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: I don't think it's unfair for somebody. And these women 186 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: have not only the empathy, but the emotional intelligence and 187 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 3: the care to say, Hey, we're gonna still go and 188 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 3: we're just gonna sit with Taylor. We're gonna say cameras down, 189 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 3: this can't be film we don't want press, but we 190 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 3: need to talk to her because she needs huh like 191 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 3: she needs people pouring into her, but also being intentional 192 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: about hey Taylor, you need to go get help, or 193 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 3: Hey Taylor, like what's going on in your life? A 194 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 3: lot of those women would want to do that. I 195 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 3: know that, and so we'd be making assumptions. But I 196 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 3: think something that gives us a clue to where their 197 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 3: minds were at was the headline about Charity Lawson. Charity 198 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 3: Lawson comes out and says that the star's mental health 199 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 3: should be prioritized over rating. So in my mind, I 200 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 3: hear that, and I hear that they made this decision 201 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 3: because they don't want to continue to promote and push 202 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 3: and put more obligations on this on Taylor, and that 203 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 3: the show should be making some of these decisions and 204 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 3: not leaving it up to past contestants. 205 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 4: Well, that begs my next question of when we talk 206 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 4: about these moral decisions being made, why was this media 207 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 4: event even still taking place? Like that is honestly like 208 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 4: a red flag again to me. Why would Taylor be 209 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 4: dulled up and pushed out to some media event tonight 210 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 4: in the public eye that that does not sound like 211 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 4: a smart move. Your talent is needing help, why would 212 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 4: you push her out and do something like that. Again, 213 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 4: that's a bad moral decision that they're doing. 214 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 3: I don't quite understand what's like this is there's a 215 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 3: lot of you know, as I said, a lot of 216 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 3: research has been done, a lot of phone calls and 217 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 3: texts and figuring stuff out has been done by our team. 218 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 3: The thing that we haven't been able to touch on 219 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 3: is where are where's the show's leadership at and all 220 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 3: this and what are they thinking? Because it feels very 221 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 3: obvious to me right now, and this is oversimplifying it 222 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 3: and it's not taking it into consideration. So many of 223 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 3: the things that we've heard happened during this altercation. But 224 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 3: if anything in February you say pause, stop everything, like 225 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 3: nothing else is happening. We are we're bringing this to 226 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 3: a halt. We are waiting for this to get sorted out. 227 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 3: Depending on how it gets sorted out, the show airs 228 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 3: or a dozen air or whatever. But we're going to 229 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: get our lead some help, and we're also not going 230 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 3: to continue to push her for more obligations in the 231 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 3: midst of a season where she and I think we 232 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 3: said it during one of our headlines for Frankie Friday. 233 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 3: It feels like she's crying out for some help from somebody. 234 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 4: Multiple times you said it, and I think you know 235 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 4: not only is she dealing right with whatever this alleged 236 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 4: situation was that we don't have all the details on, 237 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 4: but now since Sunday, she has now been in the 238 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 4: flurry of this media storm where we are getting so 239 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 4: much information every hour on the hour that is not 240 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 4: good for anybody. So the fact that we're hearing that 241 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 4: just a couple of hours ago she was still going 242 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 4: to be expected to attend a media event really kind 243 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 4: of blows my mind that they do not have her 244 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 4: best intro at heart. And she also we heard there's 245 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 4: some sort of crisis PR team that's been hired to 246 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 4: be around her. It feels a little too late to 247 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 4: me in a lot of ways, but let's hope that 248 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 4: whoever those people are are starting to look out for 249 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 4: her in the way that her inner circle is not, 250 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 4: or her team is not, or the show is not. 251 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 3: Speaking of inner circle, the Mormon Wives star Jesse clarifies 252 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 3: cast feelings about Taylor Frankie Paul. So we are getting 253 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 3: a little bit of an insight from people who are 254 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 3: around her and work with her and how they're feeling 255 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 3: about everything. 256 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, she is shutting down one theory that's been floating 257 00:14:54,280 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 4: around with some tension, basically, she says, and a clip 258 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 4: shared on IG by No Filter with Zach the podcast 259 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 4: host mentions a blind item claiming other Secret Lives and 260 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 4: Mormon Wives cast members have been upset with Taylor for 261 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 4: stealing the thunder of the show and especially now since 262 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 4: she became the bachelorette, But Jesse jumped into the comments 263 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 4: to set the record straight, writing it was never a 264 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 4: jealousy thing. Lol. Jesse kept things brief for now, but 265 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 4: you know, it seems like we said that there's some 266 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 4: really strong tension for an entire cast to unite and 267 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 4: refuse to film that is not good. That costs a 268 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 4: network and a production company a lot of money to 269 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 4: not be rolling and to have cameras down, especially when 270 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 4: your programming revolves around real in the moment stuff that 271 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:49,359 Speaker 4: they are not capturing. 272 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 3: You have worked in the industry forever and obviously this 273 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 3: is the least of important things right now, but it 274 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 3: is I think something interesting. 275 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: Now. 276 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 3: Secret Lives and Mormon Wives is down, and we are 277 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 3: also sitting on the edge of our seats wondering if 278 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 3: the Bachelorette isn't going to air. This has to be 279 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 3: causing panic within the network. 280 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 4: Huge, huge panic, because they've put so much money and 281 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 4: resources behind this and just been like, you know, really 282 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 4: shouting from the rooftops that this is the person that 283 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 4: is going to revive the franchise. And I think, you know, 284 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 4: for me, not to quote Tyra Banks, but I was 285 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 4: rooting for you, Taylor. We were all rooting for you, 286 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 4: you know, and it is really upsetting. I think, you know, 287 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 4: as viewers of the show, I understand where Bachelorette fans 288 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 4: might be coming from seeing that her not quote unquote 289 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 4: taking it very seriously towards the end and hooking up 290 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 4: with her ex. I can look aside from that, just 291 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 4: because I don't know, I do a lot of these 292 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 4: dating shows, and I just know how people kind of 293 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 4: view the dating show. Right. You go in, think what's 294 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 4: the chance of me finding actual love? And then we 295 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 4: hear these people, you know, then it actually happened, you know. 296 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 4: So I can understand and see both sides of the coin. 297 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 4: But I think that what's most disappointing is that whatever 298 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 4: this situation was, it's escalated to violence, which is never okay. 299 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 4: And I think that Taylor was so vulnerable in this 300 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 4: latest season of the show expressing what happened, you know, 301 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 4: with her relationship with her father, who she didn't really know, 302 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 4: who we found out watching the show was abusive to 303 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 4: her mother. So it just feels like she's unfortunately been 304 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 4: in a cycle of chaos her entire life. And I 305 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 4: have empathy and feel for her, but at some point, 306 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 4: as an adult woman at thirty one, I do need 307 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 4: her to probably take control of her own life and 308 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 4: her own mental health, if not for herself, the sake 309 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 4: of her three kids. 310 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 2: Well, so I mean, yes, right, I mean I just. 311 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 3: I think there's so much here too, where there is, 312 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 3: you know, the incident that happened with Dakota, and I 313 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 3: think we sit in there and say, wait, this is 314 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 3: not good. This is not okay, like violence and the 315 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 3: things that have been said that happened that night, and 316 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 3: we don't have quite the confirmation on exactly what happened. 317 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: Did it happened? 318 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 3: Still not okay, not good, But also then you have 319 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 3: this other side of it where it's like, hey, you 320 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 3: can tell by the way she's communicating to the public 321 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 3: that she doesn't want this to be her behavior and 322 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 3: she doesn't necessarily know how to get her own hold 323 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 3: on it and grasp on it. And no wonder she's 324 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 3: been crying out on social media. This is my own 325 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 3: personal opinion. No wonder, she's been crying out on social 326 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 3: media that she feels lost and that she needs to 327 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 3: take breaks because she's not good right now, and that 328 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 3: the show puts her on the oscars and they bring 329 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 3: her to media dinners, and it feels like the weight 330 00:18:58,320 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 3: of the world has been put on her shoulders when 331 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 3: it comes to this franchise. Yeah, and she wasn't ready 332 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 3: for it. No, she wasn't ready for it. 333 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 4: It sounds like they also made all these decisions very quickly. 334 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 4: I know firstthand that you know, we were picked up 335 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 4: for another season of The Bachelor, and we were told 336 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 4: that the Bachelorette was going on hiatus. I know people 337 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 4: that went in for the job to cast this previous season, 338 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 4: and when they went in it was to cast the Bachelor. 339 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 4: This whole situation was changed midway through, like it went 340 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 4: into turbo mode. So they did not take their time 341 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 4: with her, and they probably did not put her through 342 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 4: the kind of media training. I'm sure she went through 343 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 4: some sort of psych evaluation. If she did not, that 344 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 4: is a really bad red flag on the network because 345 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 4: every cast member is supposed to go through a psych 346 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 4: evaluation and medical testing prior to being on the show. 347 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 4: And I was also saying that, you know, just in 348 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 4: my personal experience of working on the other side, I've 349 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 4: never been able to get somebody on a television show 350 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 4: that has domestic violence in their background check never doesn't 351 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 4: matter the show, the network, the context, nothing. So the 352 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 4: network one made a bent the rules for her specifically 353 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 4: in that, and I think at the end of the day, 354 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 4: they need to take some responsibility in the sense that 355 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 4: they didn't set her up for success. Yes, she makes 356 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 4: her own decisions and she does her own things, and 357 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 4: she's in control of her actions and whatnot, but I 358 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 4: don't think that they gave her the tools that she 359 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 4: needed she should have. You know, we don't know if 360 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 4: she's seeing a therapist or whatnot, but in something like this, 361 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 4: a television person, somebody on the crew should be assigned 362 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 4: to her at all times and checking in with her 363 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 4: and her wellness daily. 364 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, and who knows the mindset of behind the scenes. 365 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 3: But it's like, hey, they wanted MESSI wanted this heat. 366 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 3: It's like they almost neglected the part that was what 367 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 3: viewers were really hoping for, which is, hey, we understand 368 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 3: her backstory, and not that we're okay with it or 369 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 3: that we can get around it, but what we want 370 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 3: is to see a human who desires love and who 371 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 3: feels like they're in a different place. And the show 372 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 3: felt like it just continued to capitalize on Messi. 373 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 2: And to make it even worse. 374 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 3: Rumor has it that this is from a source that 375 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 3: we have, is that Taylor Frankie Paul will be going 376 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 3: on GMA tomorrow morning to make a statement that doesn't 377 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: feel helpful to me. It doesn't and then like, what 378 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,479 Speaker 3: is she going to say that brings clarity or brings 379 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 3: any type Like I don't know what I want more 380 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 3: than the fact that, like I don't necessarily want her 381 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 3: to have more of obligations right now. 382 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 4: If I had to make a prediction, I would say 383 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 4: she goes on, and she first of all needs to 384 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 4: apologize to Bachelor Nation. She needs to apologize and say, 385 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 4: you know, sorry to the men that were on her season, 386 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 4: which we'll get into because it sounds like they have 387 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 4: feelings about this. She needs to apologize to anybody that 388 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 4: is a fan of the show thinking that she didn't 389 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 4: take this role seriously or treat it with the kind 390 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 4: of care it needed. And then she needs to admit 391 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 4: that she has a problem when it comes to anger 392 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 4: and that she is going to be stepping away and 393 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 4: going to seek help for that, meaning going to some 394 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 4: sort of off site anger management course. That would be 395 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 4: my guess. 396 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 3: But what would be the outcome like And that's both 397 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 3: those things are good, yes, but where what's the action 398 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 3: that takes place other than her, you know, obviously taking 399 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 3: the steps it she needs to take and taking time away. 400 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 3: Is it the show doesn't air? Is that what we 401 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 3: think happens. 402 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 4: I could see either show getting put on pause and 403 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,239 Speaker 4: getting pushed back, or I could see them airing it 404 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 4: knowing that. Let's say she goes away for thirty days, 405 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 4: she's out by the time the end of the show 406 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 4: is and she's able to give an update about reflection 407 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 4: and where she is in her healing process. I think 408 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 4: by her going away, it allows the secret lives of 409 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 4: Mormon wives to pick up cameras again because they know 410 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 4: that she's not going to be involved in filming. It 411 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,239 Speaker 4: also means Dakota won't be involved in filming, and it 412 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 4: allows them to react and talk about her and what's 413 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 4: going on without her being present. 414 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 3: That's I mean, you've been pretty spot on through this 415 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 3: whole thing. That does make sense to me. Has the 416 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 3: network or anybody had a statement publicly yet about this? 417 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 4: Nope, Nope, nothing, nothing, And I think that's part why. 418 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 4: That's another reason why they're gonna if if this is accurate, 419 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 4: that she gets on GMA tomorrow, that's part of it, 420 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 4: you know, pushing her out there to acknowledge either that 421 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 4: she has had resources and that she you know, not 422 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 4: to draw back on the Paradise situation. Remember when production 423 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 4: got shut down, how they handled that was making all 424 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 4: the cast members come back on and say to camera 425 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 4: that they'd never been mistreated by production. I thought was 426 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 4: very awkward, but that's what That's how they handled it. 427 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 4: So it might be a little bit of that about 428 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 4: her saying, you know that she had the resources and 429 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 4: she chose not to use them. I don't know what 430 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 4: she could say, but it's also for her to take accountability. 431 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 4: Might give them the opportunity to air the show and 432 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 4: to hopefully save some of those ads and sources. So 433 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,959 Speaker 4: I think we should get into one you know that 434 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 4: we know has already. 435 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 3: Dropped out, Cinnabon. Cinnabon has dropped out. That has been announced. 436 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 3: Obviously a large sponsor. So I'm guessing, you know, if 437 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 3: that continues the waterfall effect, right. 438 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 4: The kiss of death, that's the kiss of death. The 439 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 4: second the sponsors start to pull out, that's when shows 440 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 4: absolutely go away. 441 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, they say, I mean, there's no you know, that's 442 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 3: how they make their money. 443 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 4: And exactly, Actually, Ben, we just got that. Cinnabon has 444 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 4: released a statement. It says Cinnabon has made the decision 445 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 4: to terminate its collaboration with The Bachelorette and The Secret 446 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 4: Lives of Mormon Wives, a spokesperson said on Tuesday in 447 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 4: a statement to Entertainment Weekly, recent developments and allegations surrounding 448 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 4: the lead cast member led us to reassess this collaboration 449 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 4: as it no longer aligns with our brand values. 450 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 3: We have you mentioned it, We have heard from some 451 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 3: of the men on the season, and the headline reads 452 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 3: Taylor Frankie Paul's Bachelorette men feel let down after alleged 453 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 3: dispute with ex Dakota. 454 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, it says the men on the Bachelorette have all 455 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 4: been rallying around each other in solidarity and feel extremely 456 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 4: upset and let down by Taylor in the situation. They 457 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 4: said this to Us Weekly. You know, uh, I don't 458 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 4: know where that feeling let down is coming from, whether 459 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 4: that's coming from a personally they feel like, you know, 460 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 4: let down by her actions or let down at the 461 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,719 Speaker 4: idea of their season not possibly airing. 462 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 3: I mean, I hesitate to comment on this because it 463 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 3: is Hey, like, guys, if it doesn't air like it 464 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 3: does suck. You have to some of you three months 465 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 3: that you gave up of your life for something that 466 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 3: you were hopeful for, and who knows, maybe one of 467 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 3: you is in a relationship and this is really hard 468 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 3: for you. I'm assuming that's not the person also commenting 469 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 3: to Us Weekly, But for the others who are saying 470 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 3: they feel like down, the context would be important for 471 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 3: us to understand what exactly they feel let down by. 472 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 3: But I do know it would be frustrating for multiple reasons. 473 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 3: But ultimately this still leans on you know, Taylor. Frankie 474 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 3: Paul in Dakota and what happened between them and why 475 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 3: it was you know, not talked about for a month, 476 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 3: and why now we're just starting to hear about it, 477 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 3: like what happened to make it come out, you know, 478 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 3: almost a month later? And then you know what's going 479 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 3: to happen with not only secretizing Mormon wise, but the 480 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 3: Bachelorette and I guess in an ideal world, as you 481 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 3: said it, we're talking about humans here. I think that's 482 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 3: the most important thing. And this television show is going 483 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 3: to have a hard time. I mean, are they already 484 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 3: lost Cinnabon, which I'm assuming was a big sponsor for 485 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 3: them coming into the season. It's very much on brand 486 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 3: for what it seemed like this season would lead to 487 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 3: and what Taylor, Frankie Paul's interests are. And if they're 488 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 3: dropping and others start, then you know, doesn't matter if 489 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 3: the show wants to aired or not. There's no money 490 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 3: to be made. 491 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, it does not matter at that point. If they 492 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 4: all start to drop out, and let's say we don't know, 493 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 4: we haven't seen the season. Let's say Cinnabon did an 494 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 4: integration in one of the episodes, a special date or 495 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 4: a special something that has to be edited out, that 496 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 4: has to go away then, you know, so you're talking 497 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 4: about then undertaking more work as well, which costs money 498 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 4: for the editors to go back and do that or reshoot, 499 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 4: or do we lose a date? You know what I mean? 500 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 4: I don't know, but that's kind of why when you 501 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 4: see a headline like that, it's a big deal because 502 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 4: it usually is a house of cards kind of affect. 503 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 4: When one leaves, they all start to pull out. But 504 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 4: that's why I think going on GMA, if that's what 505 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 4: she ends up doing, it's to kind of smooth that over. 506 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 4: If it's acknowledging I have a problem, I'm going to 507 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 4: get help. I am no longer going to be attached 508 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 4: to my device, and I am going to be away 509 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 4: so that I cannot do or say anything that could 510 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 4: remotely reflect negatively on the show. Then I think that's 511 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 4: a last kind of hail Mary. 512 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 3: Do you think in closing here, just going back in history, 513 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 3: do you think the show is looking for GMA to 514 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 3: be a saving step for her. I mean, if you 515 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 3: remember they had Chris Harrison go on GMA, and that 516 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 3: was the ultimate you know, like the questions pretty much 517 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 3: put him in a corner and it was over. Like 518 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 3: you watched that interview, You're like, Oh, he's not gonna 519 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 3: they don't want him around. It was not set up 520 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 3: to explain or elaborate or to give details or insights 521 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 3: into anything. 522 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 2: It was. 523 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 3: It was definitely a this is kind of our platform 524 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 3: to then have a reason for saying goodbye. 525 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 4: I think that's a good point to bring up. What 526 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 4: I'll say is that as much as Chris Harrison was 527 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 4: figure of this franchise, he was not a star of 528 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 4: two television shows under a network. And I think that 529 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 4: that's where the difference is. She is the reason why 530 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 4: there is Secret Lives and Mormon Wives. There is a 531 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 4: reason why she's in the middle. We did not know 532 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,719 Speaker 4: who any of these women were, and most of them 533 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 4: were not involved in her swinging scandal, so it was 534 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 4: her that got the TV show. So I think that's 535 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 4: a huge difference. 536 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 2: I don't know. 537 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 4: I just want to know, Ben, from your standpoint, do 538 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 4: you think we're going to see this season this Sunday. Yes, 539 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 4: I think so too. I am still leaning yes. 540 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 3: And I'll leave it up to the listeners and the 541 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 3: viewers and the fans of the Bachelor to share their 542 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 3: opinions on that, Yes, when it happens, but yes, if 543 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 3: I was a voting or a betting man, which I am, 544 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 3: I like the sports bet If I was a betting man, 545 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 3: I would say, yes, we're going to see this season. 546 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 4: I think so too, as long as more ad sponsors 547 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 4: don't pull out, I think we're going to be watching 548 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 4: it this Sunday as well. 549 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,959 Speaker 2: That'd be my guess. We'll see. 550 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 3: I don't know if there's any been any charges like 551 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 3: filed or if. 552 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 4: No time was filed on either of them, and nobody 553 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 4: was arrested at this situation, so again, yeah, there's a 554 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 4: lot of we have to take that into account, right. 555 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 4: I said this to Ashley too, that she has a 556 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 4: prior on her record, so it would be I think, 557 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 4: very difficult to talk your way out of something with 558 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 4: a police officer when you have a prior on your 559 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 4: record that is violent. So I again, you were not 560 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 4: a cop. I'm not a cop, we're not lawyers, we 561 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 4: weren't there. But I do think that the fact that 562 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 4: there was no arrest, the fact that this was somehow 563 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 4: able to be kept under wraps for three something weeks 564 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 4: and we're getting different stories from each camp leads me 565 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 4: to think that we are still going to see the 566 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 4: show on Sunday. Now, I did say, I don't think 567 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 4: that the reunion for Secret Lives and Mormon Wive Season 568 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 4: four has been filmed, and we know that the Men 569 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 4: Tell All and Reunion or Bachelorette have not been filmed 570 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 4: this far out, so those are still big question marks 571 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 4: and also areas where another place to set the record 572 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 4: straight or take accountability whatever they end up doing. 573 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 2: Stay tuned. 574 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 3: This is obviously brand new news, and again thanks to 575 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 3: the Almost Samous team for pulling resources and interviews and 576 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 3: asking the right questions so that we could come here 577 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 3: today with a little more insight, hopefully for any of 578 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 3: you who are curious about the situation that is unfolding. 579 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 3: We'll be back the rest of this week covering any 580 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 3: new news, but then also breaking down all the headlines 581 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 3: in Bachelor Nation, and I can promise you this won't 582 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 3: be the only one Bachelor Nation is continuing to stay wild. 583 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 2: There's always something happening. Heather. 584 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us today, Heather. Until next time, I've 585 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 3: been Ben. 586 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 4: I've been Heather. 587 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on iHeartRadio, 588 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.