1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Captain Rong. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of Premier Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and Each week are Beyond Intact. 12 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 3: We'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of 13 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from 14 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talk with the top experts. 15 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today 16 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 4: we are speaking with doctors JJ and desire Hertech Thirdtachs 17 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 4: are social scientists, futurists, authors and co founders of the 18 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 4: Academy for Future Science, and international organization dedicated to exploring 19 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 4: the interface of science, spirituality, and human potential. Their public 20 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 4: presentations on the UFO phenomenon go back to nineteen seventy seven. Together, 21 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 4: they are widely recognized for their commitment to bridging scientific 22 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 4: research and spiritual insight, encouraging a vision for humanity that 23 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 4: is prepared for higher states of consciousness and a deeper 24 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 4: planetary stewardship. They have lectured all over the world, including 25 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 4: contact in the desert many many times, always emphasizing the 26 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 4: need to reconcile science and spirituality. As proof, they're all 27 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 4: over the world, they're coming to was live today from Switzerland. 28 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 4: Thank you guys so much for taking the time during 29 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 4: your trip to talk with us. 30 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 5: Great it's always good to be in touch with someone 31 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 5: who's pushing the envelope like you. 32 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 4: We're trying. Are you guys going to get a chance 33 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 4: to see Van Danigan while you're in Switzerland. 34 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 5: Actually we're close enough to him and his organization to 35 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 5: say that the Mystery part that he put together years 36 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 5: ago is now going into custodianship with some of our colleagues, 37 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 5: so we may have a chance to bring together futurism 38 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 5: and some new aspects of uthology as a real science. 39 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 5: You know, for many decades, scientific critics says there is 40 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 5: not enough of a database to say that euthology has 41 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 5: a future. But now we know the government hearings and 42 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 5: you know this better than anybody else in Washington, that 43 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 5: we have a terrific database being put together after the 44 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 5: disclosure is a few years back, and so we're at 45 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 5: the lip of some major changes for the better. 46 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 4: I hope, I hope so too. You know, you guys 47 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 4: have been looking at this about as long as anyone, 48 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 4: and it seems that today, you know, the UFO topics 49 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 4: really embraced the consciousness idea, that aspect of this phenomenon. 50 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 4: But you guys have been on that board going back 51 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 4: this nineteen seventy seven, right. 52 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 5: Correct, Dezrae and I had the privilege of editing some 53 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 5: of the more should we say, far out material that 54 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 5: the government think tanks have been involved with for more 55 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 5: than fifty years. 56 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 6: Right. So one of our we have a whole cosmology 57 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 6: is what we really represent. And in a certain sense, 58 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 6: you know, we always have learned that we grew from 59 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 6: the earth and the amiba and then the fish and 60 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,839 Speaker 6: then there was us. Right, But then that doesn't work 61 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 6: with extraterrestrials because you know, you're seeing beings not just 62 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 6: reptilians and exsectoids and grays, but you're actually seeing Nordics 63 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 6: as they were now called by certain government people. And 64 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 6: those Nordics look just like us. I mean, some of 65 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 6: them can be tall well, others can have elongated skulls, 66 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 6: which we see in the ancient Egyp because we've done 67 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 6: a lot of work in Egypt in our past. So 68 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 6: in a certain sense, it's showing us that we probably 69 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 6: also came from outer space, or at least the codes 70 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 6: that made us who we are were not limited to 71 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 6: Mother Earth. 72 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 4: Now you know you said out of space there, But 73 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 4: don't you guys also think that there's a multi dimensional reality. 74 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 4: How does that whole thing work? Are there levels to this? 75 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 6: Yes, we often say we believe there's three types of intelligence, extraterrestrial, 76 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 6: of which in a certain sense you could qualify us 77 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 6: as being terrestrial extraterrestrial. 78 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 5: I wish there's more than seventy civilizations in the physical form. 79 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 6: And then there's extra celestials, which are really just different beings. 80 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 6: There are beings that aren't in a physical form like 81 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 6: we are. 82 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 5: And then what we've taken quest to mention and what. 83 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 6: We call also altra terrestrial, So we actually think there's 84 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 6: different levels of intelligence. 85 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 5: And the alter trusts would be called avatars or a 86 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 5: master teacher that have appeared throughout human history, both in 87 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 5: the Orient as well as in the West, claiming to 88 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 5: have knowledge of cosmic events. 89 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 6: Now, with that said, we also feel that extraterrestrials are 90 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 6: not limited to our third and fourth dimension. Many of 91 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 6: them seem to be operating the fifth dimension, because that's 92 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 6: how they can sometimes in an abduction cases, and I 93 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 6: do believe that those are real. They actually come into 94 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 6: your bedroom, take you through a wall, so you can't 95 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 6: be going in your third slash fourth dimension, and sometimes 96 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 6: instead of bringing you back to your bedroom, they leave 97 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 6: you outside or down the street. 98 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 5: So this happened to a good friend of ours who 99 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 5: was one of the top administrators with fair Child Industry. 100 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 5: Fair Child industry back on the sixties and seventies where 101 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 5: it was the mother load of scientific advances in aerospace, 102 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 5: and this friend told the story of how an alien 103 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 5: came through her bedroom wall, relate information to a telepathic 104 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 5: and then exited again through the bedroom wall. Well, this 105 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 5: case study was never taken seriously, and we're not for 106 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 5: the prestigious position of my friend at Fairchild. We've probably 107 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 5: been lost in the dustbin of history, but this was 108 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 5: really a starting point for Desrie and I both academics 109 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 5: but also aware there was more to the story. 110 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 6: And if I can just add actually so that takes 111 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 6: us back to who we are and oftentimes at contact 112 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 6: in the desert. We've talked about remote viewing. Now we've 113 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 6: done a book with an old friend of ours who 114 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 6: is a major PhD from University California, Berkeley, and she 115 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 6: also worked with Russell targan hal Pudolf, and she said 116 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 6: that we ourselves have the capacity in our brains to 117 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 6: function eight dimensional space, so she would call remote viewing 118 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 6: functioning in that eight dimensional space because oftentimes, like ets, 119 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 6: we can see things in the past and we can 120 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 6: also know things in precognition about the future. So that 121 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 6: means we're not limited so much as much as we 122 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 6: think I think we are, at least in our three 123 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 6: and fourth dimensional reality. 124 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 4: When we see these UFO craft, do you think that 125 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 4: those are the ones from our dimension like you were 126 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 4: talking about that there's terrestrials and extraterrestrials, or do you 127 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 4: think it's possible that they're using these to go that's 128 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 4: how they travel interdimensionally. 129 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 6: Well, we think most extraterrestrials are probably at least working 130 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 6: in the fifth dimension, which is able to cross our boundaries. 131 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 5: Beyond the laws of thermodynamics. 132 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean people have talked about the fact of 133 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 6: being able to use wormholes to travel, or the Alcubre 134 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 6: engine where you move space and time behind you, and 135 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 6: some of the reports, especially from that first hearing, Ryan 136 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 6: Graves talked about a steer and a cube. Now that 137 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 6: speer could very well be a bubble which allows all 138 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 6: kind of space and time to go around it. That's 139 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 6: why they can travel faster than our physical bodies or 140 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,679 Speaker 6: their physical bodies can handle it, because I don't believe 141 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 6: the spacecraft inside, the beings inside the spacecraft are actually 142 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 6: feeling the g forces you know that we win in 143 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 6: our normal airplane or even our rocket. So they're using 144 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 6: various technologies. Now when you say them, you know, actually 145 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 6: we do support the work of the extraterrestrial Species Almanac book. 146 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 6: Doctor Hertex mentioned regarding the area of tourists and they 147 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 6: claim that there's eighty species. So really there's such an 148 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 6: agenda between those that are trying to help us and 149 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 6: those that really, you know, want one. 150 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 5: Most of the insiders soever in the government think that 151 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 5: there's only basically twelve and the hypothetical suggestions by some 152 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 5: of the new age writers is to attract fame and 153 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 5: fortune rather than look at the facts of what we 154 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 5: have in the government, think tanks. I'm saying that long 155 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 5: before doctor Jail and Heinich arrived down the scene from 156 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 5: Harvard University in Northwestern University, the government had species going 157 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 5: back in the early four that they had kept we 158 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 5: see on coal ice in a variety of military locations 159 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 5: from New York to Florida to Ohio. But the story 160 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 5: gets a boost with the events that you and others 161 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 5: know about in nineteen forty seven with the Roswell story. 162 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 5: But long before the Roswell story, there was another story 163 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 5: completely overlooked, and that's the story of the indigenous elders 164 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 5: that I missed, the Hopies, the Navajos, the Zunis, along 165 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 5: with those in South America who claim that this is 166 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 5: just a normal event. Star Nation. People have a right 167 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 5: and privilege to come and visit us and share with 168 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 5: us their wisdom and their knowledge. 169 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,599 Speaker 4: It's very interesting to me why do you think that 170 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 4: they're coming here? Do you have an answer to that? 171 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 6: Well, of course the major will say, wave of what 172 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 6: we've been seeing really did start when the Trinity Site 173 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 6: took place, the nuclear obvious weapons, and we've seen them, 174 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 6: we personally, but you know, like Robert sala at Malstrom 175 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 6: Air Force Base, we also think dent waters reveal the 176 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 6: fact they were able to neutralize neutralize nuclear missiles all 177 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 6: the way down in the ground in their silos, So 178 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 6: in actuality, that is a major reason why many are coming. 179 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 6: On the other side, there is a friend, Virgil Armstrong, 180 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 6: who said they need us, We don't need them. So 181 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 6: there's the other ones that actually do want some of 182 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 6: our enzymes. Why do you have cattle mutilations? I mean, 183 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 6: are they just enjoying the meat or is there something 184 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 6: that they really need? And that's a whole another topic 185 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 6: hopefully we can continue with. 186 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 5: And then the third quickly would be mother Earth is crying. 187 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 5: The environmental situation, according to the indigenous elders bespeaks of 188 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 5: the horrendous changes that are upon Mother Earth. If we 189 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 5: don't make changes quickly, the industrial North will suffer a 190 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 5: major consequences setback, and maybe at that time, the Star 191 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 5: Nation people will be able to provide a new roadmap. 192 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 5: This is what we're all about, looking at all of 193 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 5: the perspective from a universal standpoint. 194 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 4: Agreed, And I definitely think there's an environmental issue here. 195 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 4: We hear that oftentimes from contact these When we come back, 196 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 4: we're going to talk to the hertechs more about ets 197 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 4: in their connection to Earth's past in various ancient texts 198 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 4: and megalists. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio 199 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 4: on Coast to Coast AM Aaronormal podcast network. We are 200 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 4: back on Beyond Contact and we are speaking with doctors 201 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 4: JJ and desire Herttach. Do you guys think that some 202 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 4: of these ancient civilizations, like the Mayan civilization Egyptian were 203 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 4: actually interacting with some of these beings. 204 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 5: Most definitely having had the opportunity and background in archaeology 205 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 5: and geology and also what is called remote sensing the 206 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 5: use of ground penetrating radar, we were able to penetrate 207 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 5: back in the nineties about one hundred and thirty feet 208 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 5: beneath the Great Termbid of these egypt To say the least, 209 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 5: we were able to look clearly at the fact that 210 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 5: they were what I will call geometric designs underground that 211 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 5: was so perfectly forged. It would indicate some type of 212 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 5: industrial technology had to be used. 213 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 6: Right. We have a book called Giza's Industrial Complex, co 214 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 6: authored with our friend James Brown who's a contractor, and 215 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 6: he and us separately have many times gone to Egypt 216 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 6: and you could see that the technology is unique. In fact, 217 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 6: the book talks about the fact that we feel that 218 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 6: they had had hydrogen energy technology to do a lot 219 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 6: of the materials. Now, we never said in the book 220 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 6: that that's how they built the pyramid, but just that 221 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 6: they use that and you can create hydrogen gas and 222 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 6: you can use it for agriculture, and you can use 223 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 6: it for light bulbs, which Eric von Donkin has shown, 224 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 6: and you could also use it for health. I mean 225 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 6: people are drinking hydrogen water today, right, I mean just 226 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 6: even for that. But with that said, now, some of 227 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 6: the modern theorists that are coming out right now and 228 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 6: saying water was you used to even build the pyramid. 229 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 6: We didn't go that far, but that's one of the 230 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 6: most popular areas. Doctor Hirtak also said from his own 231 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 6: unique remote viewing experience that the star shafts are what 232 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 6: we would call the air shafts in the King's chamber 233 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 6: of the Great Pyramid pointed to Orion. He was said 234 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 6: that in the seventies. 235 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 5: The three stars in the beld of Orion a distance 236 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 5: of some one three hundred and eighty light years away 237 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 5: from this planet, through a portal going through over sixty 238 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 5: five meters of stone, So that accuracy to pinpoint distant constellations, 239 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 5: plus the fact that there are many layers underneath Giza 240 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 5: there stacked with artifacts, would suggest the Giza Pyramid was 241 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 5: an archaeological archive of some sort where things were stored 242 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 5: from all cultures prior to the Dynastic Egyptian period. But 243 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 5: we were fortunate to find the tumlov O Cyrus by 244 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 5: the use of acoustical physics, and although our discovery was 245 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 5: taken over the Egyptian authorities who did not want the 246 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 5: Americans to claim that they found the jim of O Cyrus, 247 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 5: it's only being recognized now by independent experts that we 248 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 5: were there and had the good fortune when the Nile 249 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 5: River was at a much lower level to find the 250 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 5: actual spot with the lid of the chimov Cyrus. Osiris 251 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 5: represents music to the ancient Egyptian tradition, so we use 252 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 5: music vibrations to find the music called treasury. 253 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 6: Right, and so the tim of Osirus is one hundred 254 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 6: feet down pretty much in the center of the Guise 255 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 6: plateau between the Coffee Pyramid and the Sphinx, with a 256 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 6: little bit off towards the causeway in alignment with the 257 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 6: Great Pyramid. So again being able to go one hundred 258 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 6: feet down, it didn't look like they you know, maybe 259 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 6: we're claiming they didn't use it for burial of a person, 260 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 6: but they probably used it for maybe burial of gases 261 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 6: or certain types of technology. That's our argument. Now in 262 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 6: addition to that, going back to the Great Pyramid, what's 263 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 6: unique think about it is if the King's chamber starshaft 264 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 6: or airshaft points to Orion, if you go down to 265 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 6: the Queen's chamber, it points to Sirious. And if you 266 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 6: line Sirious with Ryan, the belt of Orion especially, you'll 267 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 6: go up to the Pliads. So these are three major 268 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 6: star systems. 269 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 5: The star map is there in the engineering of the 270 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 5: different megalithics. 271 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 6: These are places that people have talked about now regarding extraterrestrials. 272 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 6: Right somewhere coming from the Plaines, very popular place. Others 273 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 6: have connected with Sirius, even the connection with the Dogon 274 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 6: tribe in Africa, where they had more knowledge about the 275 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 6: stars than they could have physically seen. 276 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 5: So Egypt is a mirror of the heavens. Egypt is 277 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 5: a mirror of what we will call portals of ascension 278 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 5: with the ancients in Egypt and the Mayans. Of course, 279 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 5: building as we are now discovering for national geographic cities 280 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 5: under the Earth would withstand the environmental changes of the sun. 281 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 5: So on both sides of the Atlantic we have sterling 282 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 5: example of civilizations, or at least societies that were in 283 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 5: touch with cosmicandog. 284 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 6: So when doctor Urtech said both sides in Atlantic, he's 285 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 6: also talking about especially Mexico, and of course we've also 286 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 6: done work in Peru and Easter Island, but just to 287 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 6: say in this short time, Mexico is amazing. He has 288 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 6: a book called The Keys of Enoch. I know we'll 289 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 6: talk about it. And there's a grid pattern there that 290 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 6: links like Chitsanitza to Guatemala to a third place off 291 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 6: into the western part of Mexico. And there was a 292 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 6: fifteen year old kid in Canada who went to the 293 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 6: Canadian Space Agency probably never saw our book or anything 294 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 6: like that. He drew a very similar graph and he 295 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 6: pointed out from the help of the Canadian Space Program 296 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 6: and say it was Gottary that literally a lot of 297 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 6: the pyramids in the Yucatan are aligned to star points, 298 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 6: and especially Ryan being one of them. And he confirmed it. 299 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 6: It was just something he kind of came up with 300 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 6: and he showed and it confirmed. So yes, I mean, 301 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 6: they at least nothing else they were looking at that, 302 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 6: and then I think you've seen it, Captain Ron. The 303 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 6: Jalisco I call them the Hallisco stones. These are these 304 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 6: amazing stones that look like they have UFOs on the 305 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 6: alien beings with large eyes. And yes, some of them 306 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 6: it's like crop circles. Some of them are direct from 307 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 6: the heavens, so to speak, and some of them are 308 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 6: become man made. So it always becomes a complicated mess 309 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 6: because you know, when you can sell something for one 310 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 6: hundred bucks. I mean, people are sorry, we're seeing. 311 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 5: The genius universal intelligence. 312 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 6: Well we are. Yeah, we truly believe some of those 313 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 6: Jalisco stones, especially some of the original ones, are originals 314 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 6: and were replicas of what the early Latins or Mexicans saw. 315 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 4: Do you think that that was given, like, did aliens 316 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 4: communicate with humans in order to build these things in 317 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 4: that such an alignment? 318 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 6: Probably, I mean they also have the wisdom from Casiquadal. 319 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 6: No one really knows who built Tia Tiwakon, which are 320 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 6: the three main pyramids near Mexico City. Of course they 321 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 6: claim that there's two pyramids and a temple, but if 322 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 6: you look at that temple, it's another pyramid. So it's 323 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 6: really very, very similar to what you find in Egypt. 324 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 6: And some lady named Linda Shelley, she also compared the 325 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 6: cosmology of Egypt to the cosmology of Mexico and the 326 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 6: whole idea that Orion was considered almost a father figure 327 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 6: for both cultures, especially for the Mesoamerican. 328 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 5: So to answer your question, we have a good anthropological 329 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 5: footprint on every continent showing that our ancestors were in 330 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 5: touch and they duplicated as best they could with structures 331 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 5: that were mirroring what they believed to be the star 332 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 5: origin points. 333 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 4: That study where they looked underground and saw other structures 334 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 4: beneath the Great Pyramid. Did you guys take a look 335 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 4: at that study and what did you think of it. 336 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 6: You know, of the work of Filipo to me Bonini 337 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 6: if I can say his name right. But yes, they're 338 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 6: going a little deeper than we would consider being valid. Again, 339 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,479 Speaker 6: we went down one hundred feet, which is thirty meters 340 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 6: for your foreign audience. And you know there's no doubt. 341 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 6: I mean, there was square corners in that last room 342 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 6: under the tomb of a cyrus shaft as people are 343 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 6: now calling it, and we do believe there's more under 344 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 6: the ground. But they were going almost like a mile 345 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 6: down right. To be honest, if they found something there, 346 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 6: it would only benefit our book and our philosophy. But 347 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 6: I think they'll never be able to. 348 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 5: In our book Gizus Industrial Complex, we show a model 349 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 5: of what they're describing down the mile plus, which is 350 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 5: what we call an earth's bad rate. The Egyptians have 351 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 5: the ability to use water and what they call tulluric currents, 352 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 5: which are energies closer to the surface of the earth, 353 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 5: and build structures that would be able to combine the 354 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 5: hydraulic propulsions as well as the tuller energy feel in 355 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 5: such a way that they could a light of battery. 356 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, and actually, as you go over to al Fayoun, 357 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 6: which is like only several hours south of Giza. There's 358 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 6: a lake called Lake Morris, which historically in terms of Heroduus, 359 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 6: supposedly had a humongous pyramid in there that as high 360 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 6: as it was, it went also into the water. And 361 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 6: if you go to the Al Fayoune Pyramid, which is 362 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 6: on this Saint Joseph, Joseph's Canal as they call it, 363 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 6: there's the labyrinth, the famous Labyrinth. And if you look 364 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 6: at the labyrinth, what they claim this is from ancient 365 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 6: writings that there were three thousand rooms and so many floors. 366 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 6: I mean it could only have been like a battery 367 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 6: type of see. 368 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 5: Meat of the room represents the energy cell. Yeah, so 369 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 5: was basically parallel energy cells in duplication or triplication. And 370 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 5: this will be an exhibit when they reorganize Mystery Park 371 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 5: next year. It's called the Jungfraud Park at Interlock in Switzerland. 372 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 5: So those of you are hearing this program, if you 373 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 5: come to Europe, will beyond the building and you'll actually 374 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 5: see the films going underneath Egypt actually scoring specifically structures 375 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,239 Speaker 5: that should be there, but are there. The critics of 376 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 5: the paper published by the two Italian remote sensient experts 377 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 5: would simply say, if this is for real, it's not 378 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 5: for humans, but for non human intelligence that has the 379 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 5: ability to go deep underneath the structure of the Earth. 380 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, we still if they had said one hundred feet 381 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 6: or two hundred and three hundred feet, we probably would 382 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 6: have been more in favor of it. But you know, 383 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 6: it's going to take a long time for anyone to 384 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 6: prove them really wrong, because nothing really none the less open. 385 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 5: Because we're futurists, we believe that there are no problems, 386 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 5: only solutions. Fantastic work. 387 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 4: Okay, let's take a quick break there, guys. We're going 388 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 4: to come back and ask the hurt talks about more 389 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 4: of these ancient texts and how they may be referencing ets, 390 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 4: and we are going to ask them about jj seminal work, 391 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 4: the Book of Knowledge and the Keys of Enoch. You're 392 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 4: listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio on Coast to 393 00:21:54,280 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 4: Coast AM Paranormal the podcast network. You're back on Beyond 394 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 4: Contact talking to JJ and Desiree Hertech. Your work often 395 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 4: links these ancient texts to the UFO phenomenon, namely in 396 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 4: your Book of Knowledge and the Keys of Enoch. How 397 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 4: does that tie to non human intelligences. 398 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 5: In many ways without saying something that will shock the audience. 399 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 5: I was at a situation in my life as a 400 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 5: young scholar, not being able to explain the existence of 401 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 5: Avatar's or higher celestial beings as recorded in ancient documents 402 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 5: both Oriental as well as now Eastern to my students, 403 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 5: and so I went into a variety of meditation modalities, 404 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 5: and having a background in music, I began to use 405 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 5: music harmonics with various mantras, both ancient Egyptian, Hebrew, Aramaic 406 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 5: with sanskritin the Oriental languages. And it was a combination 407 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 5: of languages with what I will call a certain vibratory 408 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 5: technique that I had developed that open the morphogenic field 409 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 5: briefly in one of my meditations where I was literally 410 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 5: taken into another dimension in this brief experience of different dimensions, 411 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 5: where I experienced non human intelligence that were different from 412 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 5: us in terms of its space for more of the 413 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 5: insectoid types and didn't even like to hire cell beings 414 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 5: beautiful beings. And in that larger context, I realized that 415 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 5: this planet was a schoolhouse or testing of different levels 416 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 5: of energy intermixed with different biological experiments, and we as 417 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 5: the humanity had the opportunity to take a great leap 418 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 5: forward or quantum change if we would surrender ourselves to 419 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 5: realize that we have ignored this body of incarnation, why 420 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 5: it has its breeding apparatus, why it has it seven 421 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 5: chakra systems, or we will call a musical ingenuity that 422 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 5: could be used to energize the left and right hemisphere 423 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 5: of the brain, the analytical left and the metaphysical musical right. 424 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 5: And so the keys of Enoch really bring together what 425 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 5: is called the keys, the musical keys of how we 426 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 5: can energize ourselves in a short period of time, breathing 427 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 5: techniques to musical techniques to make contact with the higher 428 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 5: ultratrustrial realm. 429 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 6: So one of the things he made popular with his 430 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 6: book was the term merkaba. And do we consider the 431 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 6: merkava not necessarily the extraterrestrial spacecraft that can go from 432 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 6: you know, point A to point B in our galaxy 433 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 6: or even you know, across the universe with. 434 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 5: The paraphysical energy vehicle. 435 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 6: That can take you into other dimensional realities. So if 436 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 6: you're here in the third or fourth dimension, and the 437 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 6: third being the square box. We live in the fourth 438 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 6: being time. Then you can go into the even the 439 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 6: tenth or eleventh dimension, which string theory is talking about, 440 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 6: because there are these different dimensional realities. Seeing ourselves as 441 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 6: part of those who also are on other planets, like 442 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 6: we do feel that the Pleiades is a major place 443 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 6: where our kind of our kind are from, there's other 444 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 6: planets that have other types of life intelligence. We worked 445 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 6: for a while with a woman named Elizabeth Klaar in 446 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 6: South Africa and she was literally she claims, and I 447 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 6: believe her taken to proximate Sentaori, which happens to be 448 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 6: the nearest star sism. This happened to her in the fifties 449 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 6: because they said they had lived on Venus, Earth and Mars. 450 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 6: They're species, and that Venus got too much with the 451 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 6: solar flares, so they had to leave, and they left 452 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 6: behind species on Earth and Mars, and it was good 453 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 6: to reconnect with them, which is what she was doing. 454 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 6: And also there's something about the genetic code that we 455 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 6: have that also is looked at as a positive for 456 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 6: some of these other intelligences. It may be the fact 457 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 6: that the Grays, for instance, maybe and others are cloning 458 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 6: themselves too much, and so therefore the genetics needs updating 459 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 6: and enzymes. We were good friends with Dan Bursch, who 460 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 6: I know has kind of come out of closet once again, 461 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 6: which you're fifty one. Yeah, he worked at Area fifty 462 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 6: one and the alien intelligence that he communicated with said 463 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 6: he had neuropathy. This alien intelligence has neuropathy, and they 464 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 6: wanted us Danvers, being a microbiologist, to figure out how 465 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 6: to fix it, because we are a much more healthy 466 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 6: species at this time. 467 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 5: Even though there's so much information ron there's so much 468 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 5: that we need electronic university at university without walls, which 469 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 5: you're trying to build maybe with your help, also where 470 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,479 Speaker 5: we can reach those who think critically but lovingly with 471 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 5: the heart and the mind together, because what happens is 472 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 5: science traditionally and the intellectual history gets involved with military parades, 473 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 5: and that's the end of the Empires. We are at 474 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 5: stage of the space program can go ahead if we 475 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 5: don't have weapons of mass destruction in other space and 476 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 5: work with those who are favorably attuned to what I 477 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 5: will call a humanistic charter of nations. So in the 478 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 5: Keys of Enoch of our book, we also explain pyramids 479 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 5: on Mars. We were the first scientist to release in 480 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 5: the nineteen seventies the actual pictures as a result of 481 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 5: my work behind the scenes in remote viewing to actually 482 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 5: look and find specific areas of interest. The question was 483 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 5: are these natural or non natural landforms? Carl Sagan didn't 484 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 5: want to say too much at the. 485 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 6: Time, but he was amazed by that. That's the one 486 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 6: thing that were stunned. 487 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 5: Up frivilege as a consultant and also working in paraphysics 488 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 5: to get the green light to publish this so ours 489 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 5: as the real to we say, first attempt to show 490 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 5: that at one time Mars and civilizations on Mars, indeed 491 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,479 Speaker 5: many were in contact with the indigenous populations and hantcy 492 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 5: mythology and folklore of Mars as a planet of war 493 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 5: because the Martians, if I may use that term, destroy 494 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 5: their environment where we're not really kind to the use 495 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 5: of science. Then another book I wrote called The Face 496 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 5: on Mars, or in the Spanish as Spinky and Marty 497 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 5: The Sphinx on Mars. I go into details of how 498 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 5: we were able to probe and find fascinating artifacts that 499 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 5: it yet to come out officially by government reports. But 500 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 5: I think this will happen next year. I hope that 501 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 5: Mars will be seen as a replica of a mush 502 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 5: earlier civilization. 503 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 6: So the Keys of Enoch and our work in cosmology 504 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 6: literally shows that, or says at least, that we exist 505 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 6: throughout the universe. There are other species that also exist 506 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 6: throughout the universe. Many have their own agenda, but we 507 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 6: do feel, I want to emphasize, is that some are 508 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 6: really here to help us. You know, there's been recently 509 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 6: a UFO seen around the volcano near Mexico City, actually 510 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 6: Publa called Popocatech Pecle, and we believe that they are 511 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 6: trying to neutralize that volcano going off. You know, there's 512 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 6: a lot of solar flares, and we believe the solar 513 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 6: flares are actually not only affecting us. There's a recent 514 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 6: report that actually affects hearts of humanity, especially women's hearts. 515 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 6: But with that said, also the brain waves are shifted 516 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 6: a little bit. But basically it also heats up the 517 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 6: outer core and the inner man, and so to escape 518 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 6: that heat it goes through volcanoes, and we're not volcanoes earthquakes, 519 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 6: And I believe that some of the UFOs that are 520 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 6: seen off the coast of southern California, especially down by 521 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 6: San Diego, are also trying to neutralize. 522 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 5: Them visual monitoring devices that are like wall thermostats. If 523 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 5: this is an experiment, those who put us together need 524 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 5: all does from the divine spark also put a we'll 525 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 5: call chrono monitors or time measuring devices. And it appears 526 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 5: that some of these sacred areas, including volcanoes as well 527 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,719 Speaker 5: as large pyramidive objects, seem to be measuring lines of 528 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 5: how civilization is measured to a point, and when we 529 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 5: diverge or misuse our knowledge based then intelligence intervenes or 530 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 5: manifest and unique ways. We're at this critical point now, 531 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 5: and I hope our listeners understand. We have got a 532 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 5: wealth of material to push the envelope a positive thinking forward, 533 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 5: but we need to be positive rather than be back 534 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 5: in the back seat of negative thinking. 535 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, you talk about how to go up this scale level, Yeah, 536 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 4: to go up that ladder that we need to be 537 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 4: in a positive space, vibrational consciousness or something right. 538 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 5: It's right, like they're taking the keyboard up into an octave. 539 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 5: Arnold Sheinberg, the composer usually termed twelve tone roll. It 540 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 5: appears that if we can use the collective musical keyboard 541 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 5: and all of this basic rhythms to enliven ourselves, to 542 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 5: give us positive thinking, positive sociology. With a whole new 543 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 5: threshold of working with not one, but many of the 544 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 5: engineers and thinkers from other worlds, we will make it 545 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 5: through this quagmire of history which we're embedded with old concepts, 546 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,479 Speaker 5: old paradigms, old shall we say, approaches that go back 547 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 5: to Roman times. It's military excursions may be beautiful for 548 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 5: historic poets, but it certainly do not work in the 549 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,719 Speaker 5: Martin m absolutely not. This is the importance of your 550 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 5: program to stimulate young minds to see about the role. 551 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 4: Let us pray that is the goal. When we come back, 552 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 4: we're going to ask the Herd Talks about their thoughts 553 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 4: on right now, what's happening and what our government knows 554 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 4: and if they possibly have et craft technology. If you're 555 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 4: listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to 556 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 4: Coast AM Paranormal podcast network, we're back on Beyond Contact 557 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 4: talking to the Hurt Talks here. Do you guys think 558 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 4: that our government has recovered et craft? 559 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 6: Well, I think everyone who's followed the three hearings that 560 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 6: we've now had in twenty twenty three, twenty four, and 561 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,719 Speaker 6: twenty five. All do believe that there is a legacy 562 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 6: retrieval program, which means there are craft. Even someone like 563 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 6: gurriy Gueller, who is an old time friend of ours. 564 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 6: You know, he talks about his where he actually was 565 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 6: going underground and seeing the bodies and he actually touched 566 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 6: the metal. And this is going way back to von 567 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 6: Braun when he connected with Ron Braun. 568 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 5: But you know, you hear that the mid seventies. 569 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, in the mid seventies, but when you start hearing 570 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 6: other things the bodies, yes, most likely if you even 571 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 6: follow anything going on at Roswell. I think even Louel 572 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 6: Azando even said that there were two craft that crashed 573 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 6: at Roswell as far as he knew, and one was 574 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 6: able to get away, but one remained there. And then 575 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 6: you have someone like Edgar Mitchell who grew up at Roswell. 576 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 6: He didn't see a UFL, but when he got back 577 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 6: from outer space and he was in Roswell and they 578 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 6: started saying, hey, you know we saw the bodies. There 579 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 6: were bodies here, So I mean, there's no doubt that 580 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 6: that is. But it's much much larger. 581 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 5: I was close to astronaut Gordon Cooper who saw extra 582 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 5: tressless ships over East Germany in nineteen fifty one. They 583 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 5: didn't lock him up, they made him an astronaut. His 584 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 5: book Leap of Faith, he goes into a deep detail 585 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 5: about his experience has actually seen the landing one of 586 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 5: the spaceships at Edwards. So I know from the inner 587 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 5: team of astronauts and ex government people that we've been 588 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 5: connected with in other parts of the world, that other 589 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 5: countries have also got their put on treasury of space 590 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 5: metal of bits and pieces. In fact, I brought one 591 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 5: back from Brazil back in the seventies analyzed it a lab, 592 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 5: showing a molecular structure that could not be made by 593 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 5: any lab on this planet. We know that the bits 594 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 5: and pieces that the government has questioned over some eighty 595 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 5: years would show that we've got not one, but several 596 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 5: storehouses of very unique artifacts. The question is how to 597 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 5: make them run, and that's into the subject of mind 598 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 5: over matter. Is there a thought technology that is more 599 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 5: important than just the physical nets and bolts. Obviously yes, 600 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 5: because the government's had all these we say crash retrieval units, 601 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 5: but very few of them work specialists in other countries 602 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 5: the same story. The government has secured this and pieces 603 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 5: of crash UFOs, such as in Brazil and Mexico. But 604 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,439 Speaker 5: there's more to the story, and that's who's behind the technology. 605 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 6: But I do want to say with extraterrestrials, it does 606 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 6: seem a lot of it is consciousness based. And we 607 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 6: applaud a representative of Anna, Paulina Luna that she realizes this. 608 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 6: She says, you know, is there a mind body connection? 609 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 5: As well as Eric Girlson from Missouri. 610 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 6: But in terms of you know, people have talked about 611 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 6: putting their hands on the vehicle and that literally activates 612 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 6: it because it's a consciousness linkage. I don't I think 613 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 6: we don't understand consciousness enough that these vehicles, like the 614 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 6: Barber incident, is a connection of consciousness basically. So even 615 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 6: if it's a physical vehicle, looks physical, feels physical, there's 616 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 6: a consciousness that's been put into or embedded into this. 617 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 6: You know, Whitley Strieber is trying to talk about this. 618 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 6: I don't know if you've had him on your program. 619 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 4: Absolutely yes, you hear about that, absolutely. 620 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, And he says the gray, the gray alien that 621 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 6: he's in touch with, who's a woman. They make gray 622 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 6: aliens and then she projects her mind into those gray 623 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 6: aliens to go into other locations. That's a typical situation. 624 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 6: We can actually do that too. And I think what 625 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 6: we're growing into and what we say is the time 626 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 6: of graduations, we realize our own potential, which is much 627 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 6: greater than just living on this planet. We have that 628 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 6: potential remote viewing as part of that, but other aspects 629 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 6: as well. So it's amazing. 630 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 5: The avatar idea, right, JJ right, The avatar within us 631 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 5: is capable of being activated. A book that we've written 632 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 5: called The over Self Awakening takes the reader pictographically and 633 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 5: illustration wise through a variety of colored geometries. At the 634 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 5: end of the seventy second chapter, one is able to 635 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 5: work with a higher mind of resonance and actually feel 636 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 5: the steering mechanism over the body that we take forget 637 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 5: it as the end product. This body that we call 638 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 5: the human is a subset of a vibratory body, an 639 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 5: epicinetic body that is able to work and vibrate on 640 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 5: many levels. And this was the conclusion of studies done 641 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 5: at the stand For Research Institute nineteen seventies and eighties 642 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 5: that we were multi dimensional beings. We were local beings 643 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 5: but also non local beings capable through the power of 644 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 5: the mind, to operate and visit other dimensions. So this 645 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 5: is the new step in interdimensional physics. That's so important. 646 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 5: But I want to assure the readers it's not just 647 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 5: mathematical formulas. It's the music and the heartbeat of the 648 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 5: vibration of sacred montrums or vibrations of music that gives 649 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 5: life and meaning, higher purpose. 650 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,720 Speaker 6: And that's what's a representative Anna Paulina Uno. The best 651 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 6: part of the twenty twenty four November twenty twenty four 652 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 6: hearing was her questions because she said, is this a 653 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 6: multidimensional reality that they're functioning in? And the answer is yes. 654 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 5: So what's going to happen? It's not some much disclosure, 655 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 5: it's post disclosure. To see we've got byte shining vehicles 656 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 5: sitting on the White House lawn or sitting at the 657 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 5: University of Berkeleys for that matter, of Times Square, New 658 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 5: York is a secondary story. If the question is what 659 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 5: do we do with ourselves with these advanced technologies that 660 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 5: we don't have in the advanced consciousness to operate telepathically 661 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,320 Speaker 5: what we will call through a new science or future 662 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 5: science guided by consciousness. We're still in the same fox hole. 663 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 4: Is that why all the countries keep this so secret? 664 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 4: Because they can't look. 665 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 5: For two reasons why they don't have the what I 666 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,760 Speaker 5: will call the spiritual psychological maturity. And I'm using spiritual 667 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 5: slash psychology a little differently than most would interpret to 668 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,919 Speaker 5: mean using a unified buying and focus with the possibility 669 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,240 Speaker 5: that you have to have the willingness to go into 670 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 5: an investd evolutionary process. So if you're willing and have 671 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 5: hope in the future, you go into the future. If 672 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 5: you deny the future afraid of it, you stay in 673 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 5: the past, trapped into negativity. In dimensional three, the. 674 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 6: Men well thoughts, Dan Freeman said, we act like we're 675 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 6: a bunch of apes whose favorite pastime is tribal warfare. 676 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 6: Why would they want us up there? I also want 677 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 6: to say, though, before we close the three reasons why 678 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 6: I think disclosure has not taken place as yet, and 679 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 6: as Alessando says, it's not a sprint, it's a marathon. 680 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 6: But basically, of course they've been covering it up since 681 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 6: literally World War two, Churchill had seen reports of UFOs 682 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 6: in their midst during the war, and he covered that 683 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,720 Speaker 6: up there. I think that's really one of the first 684 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 6: So it's a long time, a lot of cover ups, 685 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 6: a lot of people been put under the table for that. 686 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 6: Second is we have gained technology and. 687 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 5: So and thirdly we're in the age of Steven Spielberg, 688 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 5: so we know we can engineer doing directions the sense 689 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 5: of happiness and not fear. 690 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 6: But thirdly, also because it's a complicated system, it's not 691 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 6: just one alien intelligence out there wanting to see us. 692 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 6: It's a bunch of different ones who all have different agendas. 693 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 6: That's really scary. But going back to Spielberg and especially 694 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 6: close encounters of the third kind, don't forget once you've 695 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 6: seen a UFO, you're entangled with it, which is why 696 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 6: in the movie and as Drivers was making the volcano 697 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 6: in his living room and they knew exactly where to go. 698 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 6: Because you're connected. You're and I think many of your 699 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 6: people listening here understand that once you've seen them, you're connected. 700 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 6: There's an entanglement. It's a quantum in tak. 701 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 4: And that points to the consciousness aspect that you guys 702 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 4: are referring to and it does seem to. 703 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 5: Be the King. Yes. And this is our book Mind 704 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 5: Dynamics and Space and Time, an eight hundred page book 705 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,399 Speaker 5: which is the real X files for remov viewing, based 706 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 5: upon secret work done at the Sound for Research Institute 707 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 5: by our colleagues, and we are fortunate to be the 708 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 5: editors as well as the investigators. So those out there 709 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,879 Speaker 5: listening to the program, I recommend the Keys of Enoch 710 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 5: on our website. He's an Enoch dot Organ. Also my 711 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 5: Dynamics and Space and Time. You need the two. For 712 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 5: that matter, you need music and what I will call 713 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 5: positive thinking to make it through the ups and downs. 714 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 4: Why do you consider that light reading? 715 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,879 Speaker 5: With music? It is like REDI. And this is why 716 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 5: we've engineered a new type of illustrations to high energy graphics. 717 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 5: So people can see our book Tibetan Tonkas. They can 718 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 5: see pictures that are illustrated with such fine perfection that 719 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 5: they feel that they can think through sacred geometry in 720 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,800 Speaker 5: a way of not being afraid of new science. 721 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 6: And just to say that it's off planet. We always 722 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 6: quote Ingo Swan who actually remote viewed Jupiter and had 723 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,320 Speaker 6: it absolutely right when nobody thought there were rings around Jupiter. 724 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 6: He saw rings around Jupiter and it was proven actually 725 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,359 Speaker 6: about six or seven years later. 726 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 4: Incredible. Hey listen, guys, thanks for taking the time to 727 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 4: talk with us. You're always fascinating. I don't know how 728 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 4: you delve into so many different areas of the world. 729 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 4: That's amazing. But thanks for coming on. Thanks for taking 730 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,320 Speaker 4: the time, and you guys can find them at Keysoenoch 731 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 4: dot org. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram 732 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 4: at CITD Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking out 733 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 4: Contact Inthdesert dot com. Stay open minded and rational as 734 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 4: we explore the unknown right here on the iHeartRadio and 735 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:14,320 Speaker 4: Coast to Code Am Paranormal Podcast Network. 736 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 737 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 1: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 738 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 739 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: to iHeartRadio dot com.