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Speaker 1: Welcome to Thursday's edition a Big Blue Kickoff live here

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot com. He's Paul the Tina on Lance

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Speaker 1: met All. Good to be with you for the next

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Speaker 1: sixty minutes. Two zero one five one three is the

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Speaker 1: telephone number hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter. In a few minutes,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be joined by former Giants special teamer and

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Speaker 1: help us make sense of the new kickoff rules and

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Speaker 1: talk about the impact that it will have on the

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Speaker 1: upcoming season. So stay tuned for that. O t A

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Speaker 1: s Continuing to move along, Paul, There's gonna be another

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Speaker 1: O t A session next week where the media will

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Speaker 1: have an opportunity to chat with some of the players.

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Speaker 1: But thus far we've seen a number of players get

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Speaker 1: some opportunities while some of the notable names are sidelined.

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Speaker 1: There have missed an O t A here or there,

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Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know how much you can

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Speaker 1: take away from O t as We've talked a lot

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Speaker 1: about this, but the other day it was really a

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Speaker 1: defensive clinic, whereas other days we've seen the offense click.

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Speaker 1: So it seems to have gone really back and forth

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Speaker 1: day to day. Here. Yeah, today was O t A

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Speaker 1: number six, and the last one that I saw I

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Speaker 1: four was actually a good day for the passing game.

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Speaker 1: The receivers, the quarterbacks all were terrific. I understand that

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Speaker 1: have been some other O t A days where the

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Speaker 1: defensive backs have actually done better. Um. Great, you know

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Speaker 1: you spread the wealth, you know, let everybody have their

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Speaker 1: would say. It is incredibly difficult when you're talking about

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Speaker 1: no contact O t A s to determine much about

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Speaker 1: the reaction time of those guys to the snap. That's

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Speaker 1: certainly something you could tell. You could tell some of

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Speaker 1: the coverages that the dbs and the linebackers are even executing.

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Speaker 1: That that's a pretty good thing too. Offensively, you could

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Speaker 1: tell if the running backs are picking up the blitz

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Speaker 1: pick up assignments, because even though they're not following through

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Speaker 1: and hitting guys. Hey, he saw that guy. He recognized

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Speaker 1: where he was supposed to go. Obviously, the routes and

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Speaker 1: and and their chemistry with the quarterbacks. Those there are

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Speaker 1: some things limited things you can get a sense of,

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Speaker 1: but ultimately, folks, until they really get the training camp,

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Speaker 1: there's not a lot you can really sink your teeth into.

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Speaker 1: The coaches can because they know exactly what's supposed to

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Speaker 1: and therefore we can't truly give a substantial grade on anything.

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Speaker 1: I think it's natural that when you look at this

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Speaker 1: time period of the off season, usually the quarterbacks and

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Speaker 1: the defensive backs Paul tend to stand out more so

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Speaker 1: than other position, mainly because, first of all, the quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: reason why I say the defensive backs Paul is because

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Speaker 1: my biggest takeaway. You know, which defensive back has been opportunistic?

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Speaker 1: that is former Giants wide receiver and kick returner two

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Speaker 1: few minutes again. That is Dominic Kicks and Dominic. He

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Speaker 1: got Lance Meadow and Paul Detino with he here on

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Speaker 1: Giants dot Com, Big Blue Kickoff Live. Appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: How's everything? Oh everything is great? How you guys doing?

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Speaker 1: Hey x it's raining up here. What's it like in Florida?

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Speaker 1: You got the fishing boat out yet, or you're you're

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Speaker 1: you're preparing for that spring session with your high school team. Uh,

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Speaker 1: while you have it. Obviously, we really wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: But with the new kickoff return rules that the NFL

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Speaker 1: for this season, we really wanted to get some of

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Speaker 1: And I think that's a key part of the discussion

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Speaker 1: have the opposite effect? Well, you know, I still think

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Speaker 1: me ask you this in Dominic, as someone who appreciates

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Speaker 1: If you were able to sit down with Commissioner Roger Goodell,

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Speaker 1: and say, Dominic, I know, I know, but what would

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Speaker 1: be your suggestions to try to find a middle ground somewhere,

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Speaker 1: What kind of what kind of guy the Giants getting

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Speaker 1: and and you know, obviously he's gonna one of his

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Speaker 1: jobs is gonna be the mentors Sae Kwon Barkley and

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Speaker 1: the perfect guy to do it. I tell you he he

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Speaker 1: has right attitude. He brings his work ethic to practice

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Speaker 1: every day. Uh, he brings a lunch tale. I mean

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Speaker 1: he's a type of Giants player. Uh. You know during

435
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Speaker 1: our Super Bowl runs, you know with Brandon Jacobs, Mott, Bradshaw, Uh,

436
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,960
Speaker 1: Derek Well, you know, he's one of those guys that

437
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Speaker 1: you want on the team to mentor but also to play.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's a heck of a ball player as well.

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Speaker 1: So he's gonna bring it. And I'm glad we picked

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Speaker 1: him up. I said, I'm looking forward to coming up

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Speaker 1: to a game this year and and watching him and

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Speaker 1: uh Sae Kwan go ahead and do their thing. But

443
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 1: that's the that's the two headed monster that's gonna, you know,

444
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,160
Speaker 1: gonna make some moves this year. Two new guys well

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00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,960
Speaker 1: and related to that dominic. You know when you were there,

446
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 1: you had D'Angelo Williams and you had Jonathan Stewart. So,

447
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 1: I mean Stewart is used to being part of sort

448
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Speaker 1: of a one to punch. How much do you think

449
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Speaker 1: that experience is gonna make it easy for him to

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Speaker 1: now transition into a backfield where he also has the

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Speaker 1: likes of a young guy like se Kwan Barkley and

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Speaker 1: even Wayne Goldman. Yeah, I mean it's one of those deals,

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Speaker 1: you know, like you said, one to punch and uh,

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Speaker 1: he's a guy that you know, I personally, I've never

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Speaker 1: seen him complaining about getting the ball and not getting

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Speaker 1: the ball. And I'm sure you know he's a competitive

457
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Speaker 1: once the ball every play, but he's willing to share

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Speaker 1: those reps for the betterment of the team. And that's

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Speaker 1: why I think, you know, uh get him and brought

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Speaker 1: him in because of that. You know, it's one of

461
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Speaker 1: those deals. You're not gonna have the I want the

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Speaker 1: ball issues. It's one of those deals. Whatever helps the

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Speaker 1: team out, and uh, he's been in that rotation so

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Speaker 1: he's gonna I'm sure I have some encouraging words for

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Speaker 1: say Kwan not to you know, get discouraged or anything. Uh.

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Speaker 1: If he's not the main teacher back in the game,

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Speaker 1: and he's gonna be able to mentor him. And like

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Speaker 1: I said, that's that's one of the one of the

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Speaker 1: best teammates I've had. Uh, you know, throughout my years

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Speaker 1: of plan was you know, Jonathan, excellent stuff. Do it

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Speaker 1: before we let you go. Why don't you give your

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Speaker 1: high school team a pop? Give us a when is

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Speaker 1: your home opener? Give a little pop so that the

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Speaker 1: fans are down there in the area you can come

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Speaker 1: to see your guys play. And if you want to

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Speaker 1: give you a fishing boat of pop too. Got quite

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Speaker 1: all right. Tell people where they can go, get to go,

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Speaker 1: get those little fishies in the water. Absolutely, I say, uh, Pence,

479
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Speaker 1: Pencacola Christian Lighthouse down here in Pencacola. We'll get started

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Speaker 1: here at the end of August. We start off with

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Speaker 1: north View, which is gonna be a tough game, but

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you we're gonna bring it. And also a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl fishing we're down here, uh. Risk Mapper season

484
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Speaker 1: starts tomorrow. We're gonna be doing some bill fishing soon,

485
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Speaker 1: a few tournaments and uh looking forward to it. A

486
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Speaker 1: pence cold lighthouse go sting Ray. All right, cool. You

487
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Speaker 1: got a website there, Dominic. Yeah, super Bowl Fishing dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Check us out, excellent, give us a call. We'll be

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Speaker 1: we'll be down here fishing up throughout the summer. Well,

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Speaker 1: Giants fans always remember your Dominic. You always were a

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Speaker 1: prose pro and we appreciate you taking the time today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much, dominated by anytime. He appreciate you, guys.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Go gee Man. All right, Dominic kicks it.

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Speaker 1: Former Giants wide receiver, special teamer, two times Super Bowl champ,

495
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Speaker 1: kind enough to write some great insight. Always had a

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Speaker 1: smile on his face all the time, despite having to

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Speaker 1: go through torturous injuries, I mean a c LS that

498
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Speaker 1: would have destroyed anybody's career, he would always smile. He

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Speaker 1: would always come back do everything, like I say, a

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Speaker 1: pros pro. And uh, what a great example to have

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Speaker 1: in the locker room too. I mean, it's one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons why Dave Gettleman brought him down to Carolina

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Speaker 1: after he was a free agent, and and and the

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Speaker 1: Giants situation had ended, Gettleman Brough down to Carolina. It's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: boor Chase Blackburn down there too, another guy prose pro.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Chase now is the special team's coach with

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Speaker 1: the Panthers. He was an assistant, he got promoted. He's

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Speaker 1: the league guy down there now. Well, I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: it's no surprise that players like Chase Blackburn at Dominic

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Speaker 1: Hickson are now involved in coaching, because there's a reason

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Speaker 1: they hung around as many years as they did, Paul,

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Speaker 1: despite some of the other battles and perhaps the talent

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Speaker 1: that they were competing with. Because of this, they had

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Speaker 1: the smarts, they understood the game, and I think Hickson,

515
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Speaker 1: to me is one of the most underrated wide receivers

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Speaker 1: when you look at the Giants because he made plays.

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Speaker 1: He just doesn't necessarily get the credit because of the

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Speaker 1: other talent that was on the roster, and I think

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Speaker 1: more people feel he's more synonymous with his return game

520
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Speaker 1: and what he did on specialties. But when they needed

521
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Speaker 1: somebody to step up all he would fill that void.

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Speaker 1: I think the problem is he was so good on

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Speaker 1: special teams that that's where he made his mark, and

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Speaker 1: that other people kind of overshadow or or kind of

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Speaker 1: push aside the fact that when he was asked to

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Speaker 1: be a significant part of the passing game, he stepped

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Speaker 1: up and got it done. But when you're just that

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Speaker 1: good on specials, especially for a Giants team over the years,

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Speaker 1: they have not had a plethora of all star return guys,

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's be fair about and so he was

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Speaker 1: truly one of the best return guys that the Giants

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Speaker 1: have had in the last forty to fifty years, and

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Speaker 1: so that's where he made his market. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he shies away from that. No, not at all because

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Speaker 1: and to put that in perspective when you just mentioned Paul,

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Speaker 1: until they signed Dwayne Harris, let's face it, I mean

537
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Speaker 1: the guy we would constantly bring up his dominic Kixon

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Speaker 1: in terms of when was the last time the Giants

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Speaker 1: had that threat that you thought could take it to

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Speaker 1: the house, take it to the distance. So now you

541
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Speaker 1: know Harris came along no longer with the team, but

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Speaker 1: it took a while until we had that conversation outside

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Speaker 1: of dominic kicks, I'm gonna kicks in uh Ron Dixon

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Speaker 1: for a short time, uh Dave meg it certainly for

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Speaker 1: a short time there under Parcels. Uh. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: you go before that. I mean, you know when when

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Speaker 1: when you bring up a name like Bobby Hammond and

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Speaker 1: you tell people that he was one of their better

549
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Speaker 1: return guys or Leon Bright was one of their better

550
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Speaker 1: return guys, you understand that it hasn't exactly been the

551
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: greatest of positions for the Giants over the years. Phil

552
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: mcconcky got great recognition because he was tough and he

553
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: always held the ball. You know, he was always good

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Speaker 1: with ball security. Mccocky didn't break very many big returns,

555
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Speaker 1: but Parcels would just tell him, hold onto the ball,

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Speaker 1: be tough, hold onto the ball, just make sure we

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Speaker 1: have the ball. And and of course the story with

558
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Speaker 1: the Navy and everything else. Everybody loved film McConkey, but

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00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 1: in terms of being an explosive return guy that he

560
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Speaker 1: was not. Well, perhaps more players are gonna become explosive

561
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Speaker 1: because from what Dominic said, I thought it was interesting

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Speaker 1: two things that he brought up. Number One, he thinks

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Speaker 1: it's going to benefit the return team, which I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody is stunned by. But and this is why

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Speaker 1: I like somebody who's been on the field from a

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Speaker 1: coverage standpoint for he brought up the fact that with

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Speaker 1: now the alignment a little bit wider and two guys

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Speaker 1: outside the numbers and five on each side, he thinks

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be more lanes, which to me is the

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00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: most important aspect of this play. More openings, more lanes

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Speaker 1: because you're removing the wedge block, so that means the

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Speaker 1: guy who's returning the football is really going to be

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Speaker 1: on an island. He's gonna have to maneuver without a

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Speaker 1: lot of help in front of him. And if he

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Speaker 1: says that there's more lanes, if you have a crafty

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Speaker 1: guy returning the ball, there could be potential for some

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Speaker 1: big play. Still, you know, I thought his thought about

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00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: bringing the kickoff back to the twenty without the running

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00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: start will certainly institute more of a return game, because,

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Speaker 1: let's face it, I don't know a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: kickers who are gonna be able to get it through

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Speaker 1: the end zone from their own twenty yard line. Now,

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00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: maybe you're gonna wind up giving up too much feel position.

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Speaker 1: They'll want every kickoff and then the legals say, well,

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00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: wait a minute, hour, and we're giving up too much exactly,

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Speaker 1: and and they so, I don't know. Maybe it's worth trying.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I asked him for a suggestion,

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00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: and that's when he threw out two zero one four

589
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Speaker 1: or five one three is the telephone number? Hashtag giants Chat.

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Speaker 1: We thank Domeda kicks in once again for coming on

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Speaker 1: the program. Let's now give you an opportunity to weigh

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Speaker 1: in on the lines. Tony is in d C. He

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Speaker 1: gets us going on Thursday's edition A Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: How we do with Tony? Hey, just taking my call.

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00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: I'm out of the loop forever. So I know some

596
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Speaker 1: of this might be repetitive that you guys have answered

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00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: and gone over, but I want to make it quick.

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00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: You got can move on first. I tried to call

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Speaker 1: before the draft. I wanted to say that Lancis strategy

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Speaker 1: of maybe the Cleveland Browns drafting Sa Kwan first and

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks fourth. Most people pooh poohed it, but leading

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Speaker 1: up to the draft, I thought that that strategy has

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00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: some teeth, and now that the draft is over, you

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00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: could argue that that would have been a very valuable strategy.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to make that comment. I think that's

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Speaker 1: from no. I mean, listen, I was campaigning for it,

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00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna out shy away from it. It

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00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: didn't turn out to be what happened, But if you

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Speaker 1: look at how the draft played out and where some

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Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks fell, if Cleveland felt that there wasn't

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Speaker 1: that much of a separation between Baker Mayfield and the

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00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: rest of the crew, they could have taken Barkley one.

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Speaker 1: And I still think they would have gotten in a

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Speaker 1: quality quarterback at four because they were still around. Suffice

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Speaker 1: it to say, there was a lot of relief in

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Speaker 1: East Rutherford when the Browns went the other way. Indeed, yep, yep,

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Speaker 1: And my um so down here in d C. Virginia,

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Speaker 1: the fans down here are more heights with this upcoming season,

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Speaker 1: coming off with three wins than they were last year

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Speaker 1: coming off of eleven and the playoffs first, believe it

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Speaker 1: or not, if we are going nuts down here. So

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Speaker 1: here's my question to you, to you guys, Yes, gentleman

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Speaker 1: has only been here for five months. Can you think

624
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: of a time a GM this much in five months?

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just incredible. Now he still has to

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Speaker 1: get he still has to get o b j On,

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Speaker 1: you know, situated, but he's just done an incredible job.

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Speaker 1: Can you think of anyone has been more than five

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Speaker 1: months A seriousness, there's been a dramatic turnaround here in

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Speaker 1: the makeup of this team. I can honestly tell you.

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Speaker 1: I remember. Look, I started the eighty three when Porcels

632
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: was a rookie head coach, and between the eighty three

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00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: and eighty four seasons they drastically changed the makeup of

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Speaker 1: that team. Um, but you're going back now a long time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm doing this thirty six years and that's

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Speaker 1: a long time in anybody's book. So to be fair,

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Speaker 1: I think any time you have a new regime. You

638
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: know when you went for um from Ray Handley, remember

639
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: he succeeded Parcels, but it was still basically the same team.

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Speaker 1: When you went from from Ray and then to Dan Reeves,

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Speaker 1: things kind of changed over the course of a year

642
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Speaker 1: or so. Then you went from Dan, you went to

643
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Speaker 1: Jim Fossil and then there was another kind of change

644
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Speaker 1: and shift. So you gotta have with a new head

645
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Speaker 1: coach a certain amount of of change, how significant, sometimes

646
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Speaker 1: a little more than others. But yes, I would say

647
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Speaker 1: this is one of the more significant changes to be fair. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and my last group of questions, last group and now

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Speaker 1: let you guys go, So for this to be a

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Speaker 1: successful season, and you're in YouTube, gentleman's opinion, what do

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Speaker 1: you think of these four things? What would the wind

652
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Speaker 1: laws have to be, what would the ranking of the

653
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: total offense and total defense have to be? And what

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Speaker 1: do you think Eli Manning's performance has to be? And

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Speaker 1: the reason why I single out Eli is because in

656
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: our two super Bowl runs he was the best player

657
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Speaker 1: on the field both of those super Bowl runs. Does

658
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Speaker 1: he have to be that for him to you know,

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Speaker 1: be successful in the postseason. I'll take that offline. Thanks guys, Alight,

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Speaker 1: Tony appreciate the phone first. Well, I mean, I think

661
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: we can go back and forth on the same subject

662
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Speaker 1: in terms of the record. What the record needs to

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Speaker 1: be for the season to be a success. See, I

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Speaker 1: don't look at season two season as a measure of

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Speaker 1: what success is. What I mean by that is seventeen

666
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Speaker 1: and eighteen to me or on separate islands, Paul. Because

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Speaker 1: of the way that NFL rosters change and how you're

668
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Speaker 1: not always bringing back the same team, You've changed the

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Speaker 1: coaching staff, So it would be to me small minded

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Speaker 1: to say, well, they only want three games in seventeen,

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Speaker 1: so if they could get to six or seven, that

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Speaker 1: automatically makes eighteen a success. I just I don't look

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Speaker 1: at it that way. I think if you want to

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Speaker 1: look at this season as a success, you get a

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Speaker 1: winning record and you make the playoffs. It's as simple

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Speaker 1: as that. Don't look at it as baby steps. You

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Speaker 1: get to six and that's really a step in the

678
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Speaker 1: right direction. Because I don't look at seventeen to eighteen

679
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: in the same bubble, considering there have been so many

680
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: changes to this, we are in complete agreement. John Maher

681
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: simply said, I expect the Giants to be a good

682
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: team this year. Well good good means at least nine wins.

683
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: It winning eight and eight is five. That's technically mediocre.

684
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Speaker 1: So if he expects the team to be good, then

685
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Speaker 1: I think nine and seven at the very minimum, with

686
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Speaker 1: a playoff appearance, that's considered a success. I think every

687
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Speaker 1: franchise in the National Football League believes that making the

688
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Speaker 1: postseason is a successful season. Now, how successful If you're

689
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: the Patriots, that's a minor success. You expect to go

690
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Speaker 1: a lot further than expectations. But I think everybody else

691
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Speaker 1: would define success is just being able to play in January.

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Speaker 1: As far as the rankings for the offense and the defense, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at where the defense finished,

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Speaker 1: the defense has to make hu mongous strides, because I

695
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Speaker 1: think you can make the playoffs, Paul, if you finish

696
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Speaker 1: even like between twelve and fifteen in each category, I

697
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Speaker 1: think that's doable. I don't think that's a stretcher. Are

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Speaker 1: you with me? Then I'm with you, Okay, But we're

699
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Speaker 1: talking about a defense that was way down on the ranking.

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Speaker 1: So you're talking about you gotta make up almost half

701
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Speaker 1: the league. That's how significant of a jump we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: If you at least want to make a comparison to

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Speaker 1: where they finished and say they did that two years ago,

704
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Speaker 1: they did they made that right at the bottom, and

705
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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, a lot of free agents

706
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Speaker 1: and they So I think it can be done. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's a stretch, correct, because that's my point

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Speaker 1: about seventeen and eighteen should not be considered on the

709
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Speaker 1: same wavelength. So to me, twelve to fifteen is where

710
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Speaker 1: you're looking for the offense and the defense to finish

711
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Speaker 1: to say, hey, you know what, that was a good year.

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Speaker 1: That was a solid year and significant accomplishment, significant stride.

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Speaker 1: We're on the same page. How about the last one? Okay,

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Speaker 1: in terms of Eli Manning season, Well, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I would have liked to ask Tony, and maybe Tony,

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Speaker 1: if you're on Twitter, you can follow up. What are

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Speaker 1: we talking about. We're talking Eli Manning from a statistical standpoint, Paul,

718
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Speaker 1: you can't. We're talking about Manning. Statistics are fantasy football numbers. Well,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of people look at it through that,

720
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Speaker 1: like I don't care what they're looking at the UK

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Speaker 1: So we're not as an Eli Manning successful season. So

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Speaker 1: then I guess my point is, then I don't need

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Speaker 1: to look at Eli Manning as he has to get

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Speaker 1: thirty touchdown passes for it to be successful season, or

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Speaker 1: he has to We're not talking numbers. We're not talking

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Speaker 1: about necessarily total accumulative numbers. What we're talking about is

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Speaker 1: a two and a half to one or three to

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Speaker 1: one touchdown to interception ratio. Okay, that's fair, that's a

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Speaker 1: fair n Yeah, okay, with completion percentage of that's fair.

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Speaker 1: That's fair. Okay to to say he needs thirty touchdowns

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Speaker 1: or yards, that's irrelevant, well, because the whole point is

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Speaker 1: you're expecting the running game to straight. So therefore, if

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Speaker 1: you're arguing Eli, he's got to get thirty five touchdowns

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Speaker 1: and you gotta throw for yards, then you're probably not

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Speaker 1: having that great of a running game, let's face it,

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Speaker 1: And that's productive. So I think if ELI gets to

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Speaker 1: what you're talking about in terms of ratio, in terms

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Speaker 1: of completion percentage, and you know, the name of the

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Speaker 1: game is consistency, Paul, if ELI goes out there every

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Speaker 1: game and the decision making is where it needs to

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Speaker 1: be in and you know, I would also like to

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Speaker 1: see a little bit more of the deep ball being

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Speaker 1: incorporated this year in terms of consistently from what we've

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Speaker 1: seen at O T A S. You will see more

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Speaker 1: of that. Well, if that translates to the regular season,

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Speaker 1: that's a positive. I'm meaning not all of these dump offs.

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Speaker 1: And then you're expecting Odell Beckham to run forty No,

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Speaker 1: I think he can, But I guess what I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at is there were seasons Paul, where everything, Hey, O'Dell,

750
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Speaker 1: we're just gonna lead on him and he's gonna win

751
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: in and out of traffic because they gotta bring the

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Speaker 1: safety up and there's no way that they can make

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Speaker 1: up for that down the field. What I'm saying is

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Speaker 1: you sent Odell down the field, he still send Sterling

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Speaker 1: down the field. You said maybe Cody Lattimer down the field,

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Speaker 1: and you know there's a big play one or two

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Speaker 1: every single game. Let me just say this. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you look at Eli's Super Bowl seasons and even

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Speaker 1: Phil sims Super Bowl season when the Giants beat Denver

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Speaker 1: in Super Bowl twenty one, you look at the season

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00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: stats for those individuals in those specific years, those were

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Speaker 1: not career years wise, but standing free man Paul Manning

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00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: was unreal that season because it was one comeback after another.

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Speaker 1: So he did show the stats that year, pure stats.

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Speaker 1: If you look at his pure stat line, it was

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Speaker 1: not his best season well in terms of every single category.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about over That's why I don't

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Speaker 1: go for the fantasy football stuff. And I want to

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Speaker 1: make it clear. Phil Simms had a phenomenal six season

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00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: and a phenomenal postseason and an even super super phenomenal

771
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame caliber Super Bowl, but his actual stats

772
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: across the board that year would make a fantasy football

773
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: owners sick to their stomach because they weren't very good.

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Speaker 1: Which is why I don't deal with fantasy football because

775
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: that's not what gets you Lombardi trophies. No, and you're

776
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: you're right if you look at it from individual categories.

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Speaker 1: Career perspective, two thousand and eleven this season and good year,

778
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Speaker 1: but it was not his career statistically. Thing that Manning

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Speaker 1: said a career high end was passing yards. He had

780
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: nearly five thousand passing yards that season, but that's what

781
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: happens when you're playing cat and the worst running in

782
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: the league. Correct, And it was just basically heave it

783
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: down the field. It was that usually does not happen.

784
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot of balance that you usually got

785
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: to have some more balance. Every once in a while

786
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: you get one of those years where the quarterback's arm

787
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: can can do it, but it's rare. He had a

788
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Speaker 1: sixty one percentage in terms of his completion percentage, and

789
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Speaker 1: then at that time that was his third high hiest

790
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Speaker 1: of his career because he actually had a higher completion

791
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Speaker 1: percentage each of the previous two years and then since

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Speaker 1: Ben McAdoo came along. Eli has gone to sixty three

793
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: or higher two times, so he even shattered the career

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00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: highs that he had under the old regime. Passing yards

795
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Speaker 1: we mentioned was a career high. In terms of touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: he had thirty and two thousand fourteen and thirty five

797
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: and two thousand fifteen, So those are two seasons that

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Speaker 1: he surpassed the twenty nine. And then in two thousand ten, Paul,

799
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Speaker 1: he had thirty one, so he had two more than

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Speaker 1: he had in two thousand and you don't even want

801
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: to look at two thousand seven because those numbers are

802
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: not even close to being career highs on any level. Yeah, So,

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Speaker 1: in answer to your question, Eli Manning just has to

804
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: play Eli Manning football. He's got to play like he

805
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: still has good years left and he's got to play

806
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 1: playoff caliber football. To to cite stats would be foolish

807
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: because that's that's what fantasy football people do, and that

808
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: does not help you win the championship. Two zero one

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Speaker 1: or five one three hashtag Giants chat, he's pulled the

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Speaker 1: teen on lancepdel Thanks for tuning in to the latest

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Speaker 1: edition A Big Blue Kickoff Live. Treus is in Massachusetts. Treus,

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Speaker 1: what's happening? Hey, What's what's up? Guys? What's up? What's up? John?

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Speaker 1: What's up? Paul? It's Lance, It's not John. Uh Dominic

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Speaker 1: Kicksmon's that was That was a great listen, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I want to chime into what you guys were talking about,

816
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: and I want to start off with the second teams

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00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,959
Speaker 1: three Van because you just said I think a little

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00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: bit ago you said John. I think you said, well,

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Speaker 1: it's you're killing Trey Is, You're killing me. You called

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00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: me John two times. That's one of the worst insults

821
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: anybody could ever call him, killing me of all the names.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'd rather be called Jeff and Paul than Sean.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I'm sorry killing me. I'm sorry, I'm

824
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: too busy laughing. I didn't here your questions. Go ahead.

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Speaker 1: We're giving you a hard time. Yeah, And I think

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00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: it was a great point. But Lance, you said that

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Speaker 1: you have to make happy league worth of worth of

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Speaker 1: the league, meaning like sixteen teams, you have to leave

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Speaker 1: over sixteen teams to get into the top twelve. Uh

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Speaker 1: in terms of special teams. And I think we did

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Speaker 1: work that might have allowed us to go there. First

832
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Speaker 1: of all, we revamped our special teams unit completely. We

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Speaker 1: got a new coach, Thomas mc can't announce it, uh,

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Speaker 1: and then we got Riley Dixon, new punter, Michael Thomas,

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Speaker 1: Special teams eight, Russell Sefford, Curtis, Riley b WB, Teddy Williams,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart. And on top of that, you have freaking

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Speaker 1: dominic kicks in helping everybody. So I mean, it's not

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Speaker 1: completely unfathomable that they make a tremendous lead this year.

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Speaker 1: It's my point. Well, in fairness, we we didn't bring

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00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: up special teams on you brought that up. Paul and

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00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: I were talking more about the leap that the offense

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00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: and the defense have to make in terms of getting

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00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: to the twelve to fifteen range. But I'm glad you

844
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Speaker 1: brought because no, we shouldn't. So I agree with you,

845
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: though I think the team does need to also make

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00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: a leap, and especially hugely, especially in the consistency department. Yeah.

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00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: So I think the idea there for me was that

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Speaker 1: when you have, like when you're on par with certain

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00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: teams in terms of offense and defense, and I think

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00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: the guys can leap up to average at least an

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00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: offense and defense. I think that personally it's untested, but

852
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: I mean I think that we can leap up to

853
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: around league average. And when you get to that point,

854
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: the thing that determines whether you make the playoffs or

855
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: not is special team. If you have a leap special team,

856
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: you're very efficient with your special team. And this is

857
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: one stat from pro I think Football Outsiders had the

858
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: Giants as the least the single most least if if

859
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: I mean it was a pleatle least efficient team in

860
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: the entire league last year, and that counted offensive mishap,

861
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: defensive mishaff special teams. In this stuff, there were a

862
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: lot of the stakes, let's just put it out way,

863
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: and I think we're going to reduce that stuff when

864
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: we have good coaches. We got an entire view coaching

865
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: UH regime, which I'm really happy about, and you guys

866
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: really did a good job of elaborating on everything there

867
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: and the special teams. I think we're going to improve

868
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: so much that we can become a borderline like nine

869
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 1: and seven team. Nay, that's my predictions for this year.

870
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: Nine and seven. I don't think we can go any higher.

871
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think we're going to be

872
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: three and thirteen, but I think we might be able

873
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: to get to nine ninety seven and I'm hopeful of that.

874
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: An you got it is what Paul and I were

875
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: talking about in terms of being a successful season, meaning

876
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: you've got a winning record and you look at two

877
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen on its own. Now. In order to get

878
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: to nine and seven, I think once again, consistency is

879
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: the name of the game. You know, you're gonna need

880
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: to see balance two on offense between the run game

881
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: as well as the past game, and you know, if

882
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: you want to break down the defense a little bit more.

883
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: Paul and I brought this up on yesterday's show, and

884
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,959
Speaker 1: everybody is busy talking about where the sacks gonna come from.

885
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: With JP p Gan who led the team in sacks,

886
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: Stopping the run was a huge issue for this team

887
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: last season. I mean, that's where they got to make

888
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: a name for themselves. This year, well, I think with

889
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: the addition of alec Ogletree and now they're going to

890
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: a three four, which, of course, conventional wisdom says, even

891
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: though it's gonna be a fluid three four, and they

892
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: will be in a lot of subpackage formations. Conventional wisdom

893
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: is that that is more of a run stopping defense. Um,

894
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: I will say this. I think that James Betcher's scheme

895
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: in Arizona, and I know that there are different players.

896
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: Don't don't misinterpret what I'm about to say because I

897
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: don't want to make him out to be Houdini. Okay,

898
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. He's not reinventing the wheel,

899
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: all right, But you look at what he did with

900
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: the Cardinals in the last three years. They were a

901
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: top ten in each of the last three years in

902
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: overall defense, and they weren't necessarily the highest ranking sack

903
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: team to do it. For example, last year they didn't

904
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: even have footy sacks as a team. And I've always

905
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: said to in my framework, I've always said, you want

906
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: to get about forty two sacks in the season to

907
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: be in the top ten, top three of the NFL

908
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: in sacks. If you want to just focus in on

909
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: that one number for pass rushing purposes, that's a good

910
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: number to have, and it's a good bet you're gonna

911
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: have a playoff caliber defense. Now, of course, that doesn't

912
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: talk about your run stopping ability. So because you could

913
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: have a lot of sacks, right, so it's got to

914
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: be in conjunction with that. But that is certainly a

915
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: key stat and everyone's talking about it. You said, the

916
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: lack of sacks on this team at least proven sacks

917
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: because JPP is gone. Um, last year Cardinals didn't come

918
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: up to forty sacks. Now, Chandler Jones had about fifteen

919
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: or sixteen. Yeah, they had seventeen. Actually he led the

920
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: NFL like Chandler Jones. But yeah, the drop off after

921
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: that was significant on that Cardinals defense because they had

922
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: about thirty seven as a team. Well, I'm looking at

923
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: it the Cardinals, and then I'm also curious where the

924
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: Cardinals finished in terms of stopping the run. That to

925
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: me would be a good one. Right. So the Arizona

926
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: Cardinals last season, they did not have thirty seven seventeen

927
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Okay, now, when which is which is

928
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: in the middle right there? Seventeen is right up there,

929
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: close to the right. But but you know, again, my

930
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: standard number, I think you want to get forty two.

931
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: That's the number that I like to look for. But

932
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: they got thirty seven, so they fell short of that mark.

933
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: Yet they were top ten defense and they did it

934
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: with only one guy being dominant. So Betcher has found

935
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: a way somehow with his scheme to not necessarily be

936
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: a heavy sack team, but you'd still be effective. Well,

937
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna add to that, though, is see the

938
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: Cardinals finished sixth in the NFL against the run, So

939
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: you know what you can't afford. You said forty two

940
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: is your number, Paul, I'll take thirty seven if I

941
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: could be top six in the NFL. How many yards

942
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: of carry was that they allowed per carry? The total

943
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: yards per game you want per carry? Let's see per

944
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: carry average yards per carry they allowed per game can

945
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: be deceiving because I game they may just throw it

946
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: per carry three point five, which was that's a nice number,

947
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 1: number three overall, and that's a nice number, so good

948
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: overall per game and per carry. They always say, you

949
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: want to try to run the ball four yard to carry,

950
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: and you want to stop the other team to less

951
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: than four yards of carry. Three five is a really

952
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: nice number. So that to me was far more influential

953
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: than the thirty seven sacks. I would argue, and remember,

954
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: of the thirty seven sacks, you know, Chandler Jones has

955
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: about seventeen. So then the question is, and we've heard

956
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: James Betcher talk about this in terms of the comparison

957
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: when he spoke to the media for the first time,

958
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: can Olivier Vernon Paul Pete Chandler Jones in this defense?

959
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: Can he get to that he will assume that role?

960
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: Now will he come up with seventeen sacks? I don't

961
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: know the answer to that. He's had eleven as his

962
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: career high. In fact, that's the only time he has

963
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: a Clipse double ditch with the Dolphins, So I don't

964
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: know if asking seventeen from him is too much. I

965
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that. Um, I'd like to

966
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: think at the very minimum he's gonna get thirteen or fourteen.

967
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: I'd like to believe that, which would be a career high.

968
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: That would be terrific. That would be terrific. I think

969
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: he's got all the world of ability, and he's got

970
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: a trump mendous attitude and a terrific motor, and I

971
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: think he's a heck of a player. I'll tell you this,

972
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: Olivier Vernon every year and I know certainly the two

973
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: years with the Giants, and I believe even the previous

974
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: year with the Dolphins. The last three years in the league,

975
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: he has been on a pro game basis in the

976
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: like top five of the NFL and quarterback pressures and

977
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: hits combined, so we know he can get into the backfield. Now,

978
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: the problem is he doesn't necessarily have registered the sack totals,

979
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: but the hits and pressures tell you he's a very

980
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 1: effective pass rusher. Well in health is obviously a big

981
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: key because last year he was not one and he

982
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: missed games for the first time in his career. Now,

983
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm not questioning his durability, but you get him for

984
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: all sixteen games again, which has been a consistent trend

985
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: even in his first season with the Giants. At sixteen.

986
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: You know that's gonna bold well for his production. But

987
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: you know, I think it all comes down to Paul.

988
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: Regardless of Vernon's numbers, what are the guys around Vernon

989
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: doing and how how much are they contributing to the

990
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: opportunities that he may get, whether it be one on

991
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: one opportunities or him coming off the blitz. You know

992
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: that's gonna dictate Vernon's production this season. I want to

993
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: throw out something to you, folks, I don't know we've

994
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: ever actually talked about this before. But after Chandler Jones

995
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: had his seventeen, the next highest Cardinals sack total came

996
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: from Olson Pierre Okay, defensive lineman slash linebacker again fluid

997
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: in the scheme. He had five and a half. That's

998
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: a humongous disparity and the third most sacks on the team.

999
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: Oh Man Hassan Reddick. Remember when he was coming out

1000
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: of school, everybody was talking about all right, he had

1001
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: two and a half. I mean you're talking about nuts.

1002
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: That's it. See, if you're the Giants, you want much

1003
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: better balance with respect to that, you'd like to So,

1004
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: just out of curiosity, I didn't mean to cut you off.

1005
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: What was the game difference in terms of you know,

1006
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: sometimes was there a drop off because guys missed a

1007
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: lot of games on that defense? Chandler Jones started six team,

1008
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: Pierre started seven but played in fourteen. Reddicks started only

1009
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: three but played in all sixteen, so he didn't miss

1010
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: a game. Reddick, Okay, So you see the top three

1011
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: sack guys go from seventeen to five and a half

1012
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: to two and a half. Folks, let me ask you this.

1013
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: For those of you worried about the Giants individual sack totals.

1014
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 1: Do you think there was another guy on this team

1015
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: beyond Olivia Vernon who can give you a half a

1016
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: dozen sacks? And do you think that there are more

1017
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 1: than two or three guys on this team that can

1018
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: give you more than two and a half. Answer that

1019
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 1: question for yourselves, and then discuss what you think Betcher

1020
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: is going to do to impact this defense and how

1021
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: he is going to try to generate a pass rush.

1022
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: Those numbers to me that that's not a really high

1023
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: bar two eclipse, just as a means of comparison, because

1024
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: I think that's really interesting. I didn't even notice that

1025
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: when I was looking at the numbers carefully when Petro

1026
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: was hired two thousand sixteen. Let's go back two years,

1027
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: just because it means because that's unique to meet Paul,

1028
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: where you have seventeen and then five and a half,

1029
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: it's pretty wild passive nuts, Okay, two thousand sixteen, Marcus Golden,

1030
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: their linebacker, twelve and a half, he led the team,

1031
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, eleven, Calais Campbell who's now with the Jacksonville

1032
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,959
Speaker 1: Jaguars eight. Much better balance if you go back two

1033
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: years then there was a drop off in fairness. Kevin Minter,

1034
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: the linebacker, had three and a half along with Alex

1035
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: okafor who had three and a half. Here's what's interesting,

1036
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: and I guess this is more because of the three four.

1037
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: You're seeing a lot of the linebackers to a lot

1038
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: of the damage in terms of the sacks as opposed

1039
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: to some of the defensive ends on the feet the

1040
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: cost of his fluid scheme. The d ns are sometimes linebackers.

1041
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: The linebackers are sometimes d ns their stand up defensive

1042
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: ends instead of truly linebackers. You don't even label these guys, Okay,

1043
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: it just doesn't make sense because they're so fluid all

1044
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: the time. Hybrid, that's the best way to go. All right,

1045
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: let's head back to the phone line. I call him

1046
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: fluid more than I do hybrid. I want to throw

1047
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: this out before you go. Two thousand fifteen, he was

1048
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: also the defensive coordinator of the Cardinals, and that year

1049
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: Dwight Freeney led the team with eight sacks. Calais Campbell

1050
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: had five and Marcus Golden had four, so the sack

1051
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: totals were even lower in terms of the top guys. Okay,

1052
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: but yet yet that defense was seventh in the NFL

1053
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: and points allowed. Uh and uh, let's see defense in yardage,

1054
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: they were the fifth best in defense, and what what

1055
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,479
Speaker 1: kind of sack totals are we talking about? Very very

1056
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: paltry numbers. So other components of the defense helped make

1057
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 1: up for and I'm looking at two thousand sixteen number

1058
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: nine against the run. Okay, so once again top ten

1059
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: rushing defense. The Arizota Cardinals added in two thou six

1060
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: against the run three point nine yards of cars. So

1061
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: there you go. You do that. Then the sacks doesn't

1062
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: mean they're not important, but it's not necessarily dictating the

1063
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: tone of your defense and how successful it is. Mark

1064
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: is in Chicago, Mark, what's happening? Hey, guys, good show.

1065
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that conversation with dominic kicks. And Um,

1066
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if we'll ever get to the point

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00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 1: where we kick off at the twenty yard line because

1068
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: they have a result in more returns, and I think

1069
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 1: the league wants to have fewer returns, but it certainly

1070
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: would make feel the change and feel position exciting. UM.

1071
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: I think before that they should keep the kick off

1072
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: is best they can forever. I mean, it's just such

1073
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: an exciting play. Um it can lend into your strategy

1074
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 1: change and field position the onsite kick to promote comebacks.

1075
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,479
Speaker 1: I think before you ever get to that point, I'd

1076
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: like to propose that they maybe give it the option

1077
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: of the kicking team to either kick off or give

1078
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: the ball to the opponent at whatever you think the

1079
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: the twenty or maybe even the thirty yard on that way,

1080
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: you keep in the element of beyond side kick. Maybe

1081
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: when you're in south weather, you know, the ball is cold, wet, windy,

1082
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: you know that ball got some crazy stuff. You know,

1083
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: you could definitely do some crazy things, uh in those

1084
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: types of positions, And I hate to see that elm

1085
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: in the surprise and strategy leave the game. So I

1086
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: was wondering what you think about that option of the

1087
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: option of the kicking team either kicking off or um

1088
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: giving it, you know, a touch back at the or thirty. Well,

1089
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: I think for there to be a little bit more incentive, Mark,

1090
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: I would say give it to them at the thirty

1091
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: because right now, if it's at the versus a touchback,

1092
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: I'd say, now you're gonna give the team an additional

1093
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: five yards. So you've got to add a little bit

1094
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: more risk. I like the idea about, hey, we either

1095
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: kick it off and we take the risk of a

1096
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: big return because of the new rules, or we say,

1097
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: you know what's start at the thirty. We have confidence

1098
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: in our def That's the only tweet that I would

1099
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 1: make you see Marvin coach Marvin, and I know you

1100
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: you're aware of him. He's one of our regular callers

1101
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: and viewers. He had this idea the other day that said,

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00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: allow each coach an opportunity to do an onside kick

1103
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: once per half if if they wanted to do that

1104
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: and they were behind and wanted to have the opportunity

1105
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: to get the ball back, because that's one of the

1106
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: dangers of losing the kickoff is that the onside kick

1107
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: becomes obsolete. And now if you have two scores behind,

1108
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: how are you supposed to catch up? You know? So

1109
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: that's another twist. Yeah, yeah, I'd say probably what I

1110
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: would think maybe at the time a kickoff results in

1111
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: a touchback, wouldn't you say that's about right. I don't

1112
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: have the number of the option to say I'll just

1113
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: automatically give you the touchback. You know, I'm fine with that.

1114
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: That's my strategy anyway, you just give him the ball thirty.

1115
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: But I have a question about O t A. UM,

1116
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what you can glean from

1117
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: the sets that are being running practice right now. What's

1118
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: your sense are you talked the other day about using

1119
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: two tight ends? What's your sense of how we might

1120
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: use Darrell Adams this year? I think the guy when

1121
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: he catches the ball in space, his tremendous yards. You know,

1122
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: after catch, you just got to get it to him

1123
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: in the right position, and he's a road to bring down. Um.

1124
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 1: I don't think Ben McAdoo really used him that way

1125
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: last year. He started to do it when he was

1126
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: a rookie. UM. But I'd like to see him get

1127
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: the ball more out in space other than just being

1128
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 1: a blocker, which he was used for because their line

1129
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: was so poor. And then the other question is, um,

1130
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: what have you seen that you know the use of

1131
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: a fullback? You know Shane Smith, he's listed as a

1132
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: tight end. Do you think that Shermer and Chula might

1133
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: use a fullback you know, more often than bended when

1134
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: And I believe Ben McAdoo didn't even want to have

1135
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: a fullback. So listen to your answer off the air

1136
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: back both questions. In terms of the full back, remember

1137
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: he had Red Ellison in Minnesota. I think Red Ellison

1138
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: could play the fullback if they don't necessarily want to

1139
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: keep a Shane Smith who is just going to be

1140
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: a fullback. As far as Darrell Adams, I mean, listen,

1141
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 1: I know we're getting a little ahead of ourselves because

1142
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: we haven't seen training camp, but is Darrell Adams even

1143
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: a lock to make this team. I think he's one

1144
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: of those guys who's gonna have to earn his keep

1145
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,959
Speaker 1: only because there were very few fellas on a three

1146
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: win team that have a cemented roster spot. So that's

1147
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: my response. Yeah, so that's my response to Mark because

1148
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if you just want to look through the roster,

1149
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: Kyle Carter and Red Ellison both ron Minnesota. That doesn't

1150
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: mean that they have a lot to make the roster.

1151
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: But Pat Sherber the reason why he brought in Kyle Carter,

1152
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's because he liked what he did in Minnesota.

1153
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: Ellison was already here, okay, so that was a nice convenience.

1154
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: You also have Ryan O'Malley in the mix, and you

1155
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: have Evan Ingram. They're not keeping five tight ends. We

1156
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: don't even know if they're keeping four. So Darrell Adams,

1157
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: I mean this is a statement off season for him.

1158
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,479
Speaker 1: As far as his upside, Yeah, when he's caught the ball,

1159
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: I think that he certainly has the ability to get

1160
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: out in open space. But I also think the Giants

1161
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: are still evaluating what he could do as a blocker,

1162
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: because that was not something that he was asked to

1163
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: do an awful lot when he was at South Carolina,

1164
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: So that to me is something to watch. It's gonna

1165
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: be an interesting competition at that position. I will tell

1166
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: you that I'm looking for the average percentage of kickoff

1167
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: touchbacks in the league last year, and I don't have

1168
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: the entire league average, but Carolina was number one. Obviously

1169
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: Graham Gono, who has a cannon of a leg, eighty

1170
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: five point four percent touchbacks on his kickoffs. They were

1171
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: number one by far San Francisco at seventy seven, Oakland

1172
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: seventy five, the Ram seventy three, Kansas City seventy one.

1173
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: The middle team which would be A sixteen. Atlanta was

1174
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 1: at fifty four percent. Giants were at forty one point

1175
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: nine percent. Last was Tampa Bay at thirty five percent.

1176
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: So even if you go to the middle of the

1177
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: pack Atlanta at fifty four, well that's just about half,

1178
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: which is kind of ironic in that that's halfway through

1179
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: the list and it's about halfway. Well, here's some interesting data.

1180
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: Have This is from just a random article sp nation

1181
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: dot com. Two thousand sixteen, the NFL moved touchbacks up

1182
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: five yards from the twenty to twenty five yard line,

1183
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: so since then there have been fewer returns since changed

1184
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: since changing the touchback to the twenty five a total

1185
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: of one thousand eighty one during the regular season in

1186
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen compared to one thousand thirty six the

1187
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: previous season. Just to give you uh barometer or the numbers,

1188
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: so thirty three point eight per team in two thousand fifteen,

1189
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: thirty two point four per team last season. And this

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00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: article was written in two thousand eighteen, so it was

1191
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: comparing two thousand seventeen to two thousands A lot of differences,

1192
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: you know. For those who uh and rightfully so emphasized safety,

1193
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: those numbers are not really very significant. All right, Let's

1194
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: tait back to the lines. Dave z A. Cranford Dave,

1195
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: what's happened last call? Dave? Go ahead? Hey, how are

1196
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: you guys think great? I just wanted to hit on

1197
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: two things. You guys are the best. It's it's a

1198
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: joy to listen to you guys because you really know football. Um,

1199
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: and I know Lance. It's Lance and he got hair

1200
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: and John doesn't. So there you go. See that's a

1201
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: step in the right direction. I like that, that's right.

1202
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to hit on something you said about Eli

1203
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: and I think about stats and how this leading they

1204
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: can be. I think one of the Eli's biggest impacts

1205
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: this year he's going to be in the run game,

1206
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: and I think that that gets often misunderstood about how

1207
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: many times he's going to put them into the right play,

1208
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: whether it be passed or run. And I think that's

1209
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: where this offense has a chance to be explosive. Is

1210
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: the cat and mouse game that Eli with Sequan you

1211
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: know back there, the weapons on the outside and his

1212
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: ability to manipulate, you know, the middle linebacker and or

1213
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: the safety in the box and to put them in

1214
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: the most sage her bowl run situation. I think that's

1215
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: where he's going to have a big impact. And as

1216
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,439
Speaker 1: in as the challenge for this team is Eli. I'll

1217
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: sign up and take that right now. Yeah, I'm with

1218
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: your thousand percent. And I can't tell you how many

1219
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: coaches and personnel people and NFL folks who know and

1220
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: have many more years even in this game than I do,

1221
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: have consistently said to me they marvel and how often

1222
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: Eli Manning puts this offense in the best chance to succeed. Now,

1223
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: they may not execute it well, you know, maybe there's

1224
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: a bad route, maybe there's a busted block, maybe he

1225
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: makes a bad throw even or maybe there's a drop pass.

1226
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: The offense may not be as efficient as it needs

1227
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: to be because they don't produce correctly or execute correctly.

1228
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: But everybody I know and respect who has a lot

1229
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: of football knowledge in their memory banks, they all tell

1230
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: me they marvel at how many times Eli Manning puts

1231
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: his team in the best position. He does so many

1232
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: wonderful things at the line, so many recognition type things. Uh.

1233
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: So many times he's making the right call, he's making

1234
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: the right audible, he's getting him out of a play

1235
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: that is doomed to fail. And and you make a

1236
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: great point, and that's that's part of the value of

1237
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: Eli manning that you know what the fan on the

1238
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: street or at home or in the seats doesn't know,

1239
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: can't see. The fantasy football guy has no chance in

1240
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: heck of ever finding that out, nor does he care,

1241
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: doesn't help him, or does he care. Okay, which is

1242
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: why I tell you all the time, I deal with

1243
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: real football, not fantasy football. And the last thing is

1244
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: on the sack totals. I'll leave you with this. I

1245
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: think the second I think Ovi will lead the team

1246
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: in sack. I don't think that's a stretch. I think

1247
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: the second place is going to be the impact of

1248
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: snacks Harrison on this defense, meaning his ability to command

1249
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: a double team. The next two guys on our sack

1250
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: totals are going to be the two middle linebackers playing

1251
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: off the snacks Harrison going to leave to the quarterback

1252
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: the fastest line to him. So I think you're gonna

1253
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: go Ovie, those two middle linebackers landing colind Those are

1254
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: going to be your four leaders and sacks. And then

1255
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: we got to find two other guys on the other end.

1256
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: Interesting you mentioned that because one of Betcher's preferred blitzes

1257
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: is to send backers and or defensive backs through the

1258
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: a gap and that that will lend itself to some

1259
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: of what you're talking about. I couldn't agree more. You

1260
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: guys have a great day. Thank you all. I appreciate

1261
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: the phone call, and I'll tell you why that will

1262
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: also be interressing. Now. I know Alec ogle Tree is

1263
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: coming from a completely different system, but now he was

1264
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: in a system with Wade Phillips, who I personally think

1265
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: it's a very good defensive coordinator ogle Tree, because he

1266
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: was referring to the middle linebackers Paul, he has had

1267
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: no more than two sacks in a single season. So

1268
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: if if they do get that done through the gaps

1269
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: that we're talking about, that would be a career year

1270
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: for Alec ogle Tree. The too reasons ogil Tree was

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Speaker 1: traded from the Rams and then we'll let you go, folks,

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Speaker 1: because I know we're running out of time. Ogle Tree

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Speaker 1: was a salary cap casualty to some degree. And then

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Speaker 1: the other thing is he did not fit their scheme

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Speaker 1: as well. He is not what is known um as

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Speaker 1: a as a a plugger at linebacker. He is much

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Speaker 1: more of a running hit or what's known as a

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Speaker 1: chase and hit linebacker. He's a linebacker that will play

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Speaker 1: at his best when he's got freedom to run sideline

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Speaker 1: to sideline and then track down the ball. He is

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Speaker 1: less effective when he does not have big guys in

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Speaker 1: front who can keep guys off him, because he is

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Speaker 1: more of an athletic type linebacker who's like a heat

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Speaker 1: seeking missile and he'll track stuff down. That's how he

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Speaker 1: makes plays if if he's not Harry Carson. Okay, Harry

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Speaker 1: Carson was more of a plugging linebacker who's gonna attack.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna get to the line, he's gonna take guys

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Speaker 1: on nose to nose, and he's gonna do his darndist

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Speaker 1: to plug up holes. Ogletree is more of a roaming

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Speaker 1: type of linebacker. He did not fit the Rams scheme

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Speaker 1: as well, and that's the other reason why they were

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Speaker 1: willing to move him. He will fit what the Giants

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Speaker 1: want to do because they've got guys like Tomlinson, guys

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Speaker 1: like Snacks Harrison who can do the dirty work in

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Speaker 1: front of him and keep him clean to make plays.

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Speaker 1: And even I think b J. Goodson, I think it's

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Speaker 1: totally fine with taking on some physicality at the line.

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Speaker 1: He loves it. The other day. The other day he

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Speaker 1: was very excited. He's like, I want to do the

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Speaker 1: dirty works. I want to hit those big guys. That's

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Speaker 1: a perfect complimentalt like Coco Tree. Yes, absolutely wrap things up.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank Dominic kicks it again some great insight.

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Speaker 1: If you miss the entire interview, we'll put it back

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Speaker 1: on the archive on the full show. Thanks so much

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